Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #223 Mike Lee

Episode Date: October 21, 2021

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Yo, welcome back to the show. My dude, Mike Lee, is joining us. Mike was a world-renowned, number one rank at one point, boxer. And I got a chance to meet him out here at Onnit. We did a cool-ass workout. We talked, and quite a bit of his experience in the fight game paralleled mine. Of course, if you followed me in the UFC, I never quite made it to a title shot. I never even sniffed the belt.

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podcast. Shit gets stated before the podcast starts. So I want to just let the listeners know some of the books I was recommending and um of course uh i have recommended them on other podcasts but people still hit me up all the time they're like hey uh what book are you reading right now i'm just finishing uh the invisible rainbow by arthur furstenberg all these will link to in the show notes uh it's a brilliant book on electricity how we are electrical it actually combines the wisdom and knowledge of the body electric from Robert O. Becker with the teachings of Gerald Pollack, the fourth phase of water, and a whole host of other shit that's just phenomenal. But it's really a history lesson

on the history of electricity and how it impacts us as electrical beings it's a mind blowingly awesome book that uh dr thomas cowan recommended it's on audible as well then we talked about the yugas um that's on the 25 000 year cycle of time the fourth uh the fourth turning which is on 80 year cycles or smaller smaller uh. I forget what they call those as 80 year periods, but we're in it. We're in the crisis period for 20 years and we've got seven years left. So that's, that's what we're talking about. And then of course the madness of crowds, which I've recommended many, many times by Douglas Murray is a phenomenal book.

I think everyone should check out. Boom. There it is. There it is up starts before the recording that's right it's always the case man you go grab a shake or something like that and then it's like we're in the on it cafe drinking a shake and i'm like well actually can we can we put a button in this and save it till we get uh let's put a pin in it we got to come back we got we got to bring this up on the podcast. Yeah. Anywho, brother, it's great having you on the podcast. We share a lot in common.

For people who don't, I mean, Mike Lee does sound like a pretty standard name. He's like John Smith almost. Tell us about your life growing up. What got you into boxing and fighting and really, you know, just lay out the path. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, we used to get punched in the face in front of a lot of people on TV, and that's a pretty rare thing to have in common to do for a living. So, yeah, I mean, I got into boxing young at about eight years old. I was always an athlete obsessed with competing. But something about boxing really took off. And I don't know if it was, you know, what I had innate with within me with my physical talents or, you know, was learned over the years. But, you know, I started sparring pros before I even had

my driver's license. And it was just something that I felt like I could see punches roll with them. I love the energy. It scared the shit out of me, but also excited the shit out of me. And I think that combination and that adrenaline rush really got me into it. So, um, I ended up, you know, having a smaller amateur career, relatively fought in the golden Gloves, you know, fought all around Chicago and then got signed by Top Rank when I was 21. And my career kind of took off. Had a lot of friends and family that told me to not take this route and told me how dangerous it was and the success rate and all that kind of stuff. But I knew in my heart that if I didn't go for it, I'd always regret it. And I think I've always kind of lived my life that way. And, you know, whether the first fight I'd

break my hand and never fight again, or I became world champion, I just wanted to go to bed at night knowing I went for it. And so I'm so grateful through all the ups and downs that I did that. And 10 years later, I am grateful enough to have an awesome career. I had 22 fights. I finished 21 and one my last three years. I was top 10 in the world, top five, my last two fights, I've won a couple of belts. And then my last fight, I fought for the IBF world title at the MGM grand, um, against Caleb plant. Who's now fighting Canelo Alvarez in November. Unfortunately, I didn't get the win on that one. Um, I got knocked out. It got stopped in the third round, even though I felt like I

could have kept going as all fighters feel like they could. But yeah, you know, I sit back here just super grateful for my career. I think it ended because of injuries and an autoimmune disease that I was diagnosed with about five, six years into my career that we can dive into. But it was my time. You know, I'm 34 years old now and I want to focus on the next knock on wood, 70 years of my life where I can start to heal because you know, better than anybody, this sport takes a toll on your body, your mind, your soul. And if you're not a hundred percent in it and a hundred percent obsessed and dedicated, um, there's another guy around the corner. You're going to fight that will knock you out who is. And that's what to me I lost the love for it the last few fights I started fighting for the wrong reason and I think that pain was really kind of the catalyst that helped me get out of something

that I would have stayed in way too long yeah I love that brother and so many parallels there you know when I was when I was I think in 2012 i mean before i got into fighting it i always said um i'll take it as far as i can go but if i become a 500 fighter in any one organization so whether that was rage in the cage you know these are still pro fights but you know the lower level shows or the mid-level shows like king of the cage or you if I make it to the UFC and I'm fighting at the highest level, if I don't win more than half the time, I need to retire. And the reason for that is it's not baseball. Your body is going to have – the knockout might be instantaneous, but the long-term repercussions are undeniable.

And I knew that this would just be, uh, however small, just a moment in my lifetime, you know, the whole fight career is just a moment. And so that, that really started to weigh on me. And I made it, I was at, I actually took my third loss in a row and right then was 500. And I had, um, I had a lot to think about and I went for it one more time and just got my ass kicked by Pat Cummins. And so it was like, all right, thank you. It's just an easy way to be shown the door. Maybe not so easy.

But yeah, my mind was already in other directions, though, as well. You know, like I was already thinking about having kids and what am I going to do next? And just a lot of other things were circling around there. Thankfully, I really had, you know, through the teachings of Paul Cech, found my health and found my ability to really hone in on healing from injuries and things like that. Talk about that path for you. I mean, explain your autoimmune disease. these things if people are like man shit dude you lost once and then retired obviously there's a lot more to it than that you know it's not just uh yeah i lost the title and decided to give it up i mean yeah i have a good friend of mine uh noad

lahat who's been on the podcast he's israeli army uh fantastic fucking guy one of my one of my best friends that I trained with for a long time at American Kickboxing Academy and out in Vegas. And he's been battling Crohn's pretty much his whole life. I can't imagine having that type of an uphill battle with the weight of a training camp and multiple fights a year. That's just mind-blowing to me. Yeah. Well, so I got diagnosed in, in 2014 and basically I'll, I'll circle back. I was, I was young, undefeated. I think I was about 12 and oh, I just fought at Madison square garden.

I was getting national exposure on, you know, big subway commercials and I fought on ESPN and I just felt like I was immortal loving what I was doing. And then all of a sudden, I started getting really, really bad pain, daily headaches, issues with my joints flaring up. And I spent almost two years in and out of hospitals trying to figure out what was wrong with me. And at my lowest point, I was on eight different medications. It was really ugly. I eventually was diagnosed with

a couple autoimmune diseases. One was ankylosing spondylitis and the other was lupus. And I think what happened is my body was in fight or flight for so long that whatever was happening in my body was, you know, those genes were finally upregulated. You know, I was HLA-B27 positive and had a couple of the indicators that kind of steer doctors towards this autoimmune diagnosis. You know, having said that, I definitely don't subscribe to that. I don't believe that I'm going to have this the rest of my life. And I really put it out of my mind. And with the exception of podcasts and kind of explaining my story, I rarely say, you know, autoimmune disease because I don't want to associate with it. And that's a whole kind of mental side that I dove into afterwards.

But after that and finally starting to get better and naturally healing, it was out of necessity, man. I knew a ninth medication wasn't it. I mean, they had me on antidepressants. They had me on anti-anxiety. I was on Humira, stabbing my leg every two weeks. And it was just like, you know, no shit. I'm depressed and no shit. I have anxiety. I was on Humira stabbing my leg every two weeks. And it was just like, you know, no shit, I'm depressed and no shit. I have anxiety. I don't get to do what I love and I'm in pain, you know, so let's find the root cause. And it was really that whole experience of laying in hospital beds and seeing myself on TV a few times and, you know, knowing that people had no idea

what I was actually going through, this invisible pain that I had. And it was that kind of pain that brought me to this whole world of health and wellness and discovering things outside of prescription medication that could heal me. And so that's how I discovered everything from mindfulness to breath work, to meditation, to infrared saunas, cold plunges, CBD, nutrition, all these different elements that I found started chipping away at my pain. And I'm happy and grateful to say that I ended up getting back in the ring. I have my comeback fight on national television against another undefeated fighter on NBC sports. And I got a six round knockout. And that to this day was one of the best wins

of my career, not because of the fight, but because I told myself, just get back in the ring. I told myself, you know, I don't know if I'm going to have 10 more fights or one more fight. And no one knew this except myself and my trainer and, you know, my father, but it was just an effort to get in the ring and prove to myself that I could, I could get out of those hospital beds and back in the ring. So it was basically after that eight more fights that I was dealing with this. It was constantly putting Humpty Dumpty back together again, all the training camps was dealing with, you know, pain and flare ups. And, you know, we'd have to take multiple days off because, uh, the meds weren't working right. And it was just a battle and I started to lose the

love for it. Um, but you know, I, I wanted to keep grinding until I could get to the world title because I kept winning. But in my mind, I just, I didn't have the passion for it. And I was just grateful that other things I found passion in like health and wellness and like helping people and instilling people with hope that also have gone through autoimmune diseases and challenges. And so I've been retired for a year and a half now, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss it. You know, it's funny. I don't know if you've seen this. I saw this, this docu series on Showtime called the four Kings. It's about Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, and Tommy Hearns and their heyday. And I was watching this and so many things resonated with me. And the big thing for them is, as you mentioned, is fighters often hang on way

too long, way past their prime. And for a casual fan, you look at that and you think like, why are you doing that? But what they, I guess they don't understand is it's so much more than the money. It's your identity. It's like, for me, I hung on, I think too long, even though I was in pain because it was the only thing I knew and the way I received love, it was entirely wrapped around my identity fighting and winning. And so for me, it was like, well, what, what, who am I without this? And so that's, I think the thing that these great, great legends end up staying on too long because it's not about the money. It's about that feeling and identity that they don't want to let go of. Yeah. Feeling and identity is a massive, massive one. And, and particularly, you know, the there,

there's the mental emotional side of that, the feelings that you have of, you know, a feeling of importance, like this is what I do. And it's well fucking respected. You know, you don't have a desk job. You're not doing the things everyone else does. You are different, you know, and it's well fucking respected you know you don't have a desk job you're not doing the things everyone else does you are different you know and that's that's a really slippery slope it's a fucking greasy wheel that you want to hold on to you know but I think I think just as um just as much is the feelings that you have physically the neurochemistry of the fight you know like there's there's very few things that that stimulate you in that way you know i i i haven't i've been overseas and done many tours for the tropes but not like um i haven't been in combat you know and i don't think that i can understand what that's like but

i can understand it when you know like my buddy andy stump who's who's been on the show a former navy seal he comes back and he's like there's nothing I do here that's even close to that. So that's why he loves doing squirrel suit jumps and fucking – he shoots some ridiculous shit for Red Bull, base jumping and jumping out of airplanes. And that's the only thing that scratches the itch, even remotely close to what it was like for him and so i think for for you know for fighters in particular i mean like ricky henderson can play baseball till he's 80 and he's not going to get fucked up for it you know like it's totally fine if he wants to play uh in a intramural softball league until he's 80 go for it ricky that's totally cool but for fighters there there is there's a cost to that but at the same same time, like, you're just not going to, where else are you going to find that feeling? You know, especially having fought at the garden, like there's no feeling like it, dude, there's just

no feeling like it. So I think that's, that's an important piece. Um, that's hard to overcome for a lot of people as well. Yeah. And I think it, it takes a lot of courage and like self-awareness to, to hang it up and say, you're done too. You know, I, I, I had this crazy moment, this last fight. I don't know about you, but every single fight you always you're nervous, right? If you're not, anybody who says they're not nervous, they're fucking lying, like point blank, right? It's just how you calm those nerves and how you turn that nerve, those nerves into excitement instead. Right. And so I was very good at that early in my career and coming out of the tunnel, you know,

you hear the stadium roaring, you know, you're about to go to battle, you know, you could get really, really hurt or even die tonight. But all 21 of the previous fights, I was never worried about getting hurt. I was more worried about losing and getting embarrassed. Right. And so I had this like dog in me, you know, the fight before the world title fight, I broke my rib in the second round and went eight more rounds of the broken rib. We get back to the dressing room, I collapse. They had to take me to the hospital and the hospital for, you know, till 4am that night, like the pain never scared me, but all of a sudden,

and I think that was almost to my detriment, right? And so call it God, the universe, whatever it is, flipped the script on me to where all of a sudden I got nervous about getting hurt. And I think that was really what pushed me to retire. In fact, I'll never forget coming out of the limo in the MGM Grand before my world title fight. We're walking in. They've got cameras in your faces. You're about to walk in the dressing room and do that whole thing. And I had this really scary thought come over my, come over me and I was smiling. So no one knew, but I thought to myself,

are you going back to the hospital tonight? Are you going to the hospital tonight? Are you going back to your hotel room tonight? It was a really weird thought that kind of went over, went through me and like shook me. And I kind of knew at that moment, I was not in a good mental state. It had nothing to do with the moment I'd fought on big stages, nothing to do with the opponent. In fact, he wasn't known as a big puncher. So it was just something that needed to happen in me. And for the first time I was worried about getting hurt. And I think that it was like my body, it was God, the universe kind of telling me like, you know, go out there, fight your ass off, but win or lose, like, you know, this has to be it. And I think that moment really

made me realize like win or lose, even if I win this belt, I need to be done because, um, if you go into a fight scared of getting hurt, you're never going to win. Yeah, that's got to be the last thing on your mind. You know, like you want to hurt your opponent, but you're not worried about getting hurt. I've had a few of those where, you know, Glover Teixeira, I was fucking petrified. Like, I was just looking at him. I mean, even at the weigh-ins, I'm looking at him and John Hackleman is his coach. And I've trained with Hackleman and Chuck Liddell.

And I'm like, oh, God, I know exactly how hard these guys punch. But anyways, similarly, on that mental, emotional piece, I dealt with really deep depression. But it happened after college football. And it went on until I started fighting. But at that, you know, when college ended for me, um, I talked about this on my 12th podcast, a solo cast that did years ago when I first made it out here to Austin. And, um, it was pretty fucking low, but I had, you know, all the prescriptions I wanted. I had prescription pain meds. I had, um, anti-anxiety pills. I had two milligrams Xanax, 10 milligram Valium, Klonopin. You fucking get whatever I wanted. None of it worked. And it wasn't until I really started to fight that it gave me a reason to take care of myself. And in taking care of myself,

excuse me, in taking care of myself, I started to feel better my outlook started to change and then I got to with plant medicines really take a deeper dive into looking at my past looking at myself how I view the world to fully heal that but I can't imagine what that would be like happening in my fight career I mean I know for a fact that anti-anxiety medication fucked my cardio up Royal. Like it really took its toll on my gas tank. Talk about how that played. Like when did that start with antidepressants and anti-anxiety and things like that? Did that, was that throughout your career or, I mean, explain that, that piece of it. Yeah. I mean, and that's a great point. I don't, I'm not sure. And I don't know if anybody knows yet if getting hit in the head and performing at that high level and all that, how much of it is

a mental aspect or how much it is an issue of, you know, traumatic brain injury, whatnot. But I felt all those same things. I think with the anti-anxiety medication, I was just having panic attacks. I don't know how much of that was my own psyche in terms of I was nervous of, you know, what do I do next? What's wrong with me? It was really scary. Or how much of that was actually a physical situation. But it ended up making me like too calm.

And I was having trouble training. And that's actually how I discovered CBD, because I was searching for a way to calm my nerves, but not take, I think lorazepam was what I was on, not take those prescription medications, which basically didn't make me a killer in the ring. Like I would jump in the ring for sparring and I just, I wasn't excited. It kind of made me a duller version of myself. And I mean, fuck, you know, when you're in the ring, like that guy's trying to kill you and you need to be sharp and on point. So that's how I, you know, discovered a bunch of other natural solutions and started myself diving into kind of plant medicine. And I kind of realized this was going to be a much more of a mental hurdle than a physical. It's so interesting going from doctor to doctor and some of the best experts in the world spending all this money, they all want to point to what's wrong with you physically. And so few of these Western doctors sat down and asked me about my mindset, my psyche, what's going on, what am I eating,

what am I consuming both mentally and physically. And so that kind of woke me up to this. And I started diving in. I mean, I went to like Tony Robbins conferences. I was reading Joe Dispenza books. I was just all in because I knew that it was going to be a dark, dark road if I kept going down that path. But yeah, dealing with the anti-anxiety meds and trying to train was very difficult. And I got to a point where I had to find an alternative source. Yeah, that's phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal.'s funny you know you talk cbd obviously we're going to dive deep into cbd but cannabis for me was a crutch when i when i first got out of the house i had a four-foot bong i smoked it every fucking day i'd wake and bake when i was 19 uh going to

junior college in arizona and i was high all the time and i really leaned on that until you know it was just numbing and then um I quit entirely when I started fighting. And it wasn't until midway through my career that I saw that as a potentially good thing to help me sleep at night. Like, oh, hey, all right, THC is probably not that bad. We've got some good organic growers here in California. Let me start, you know, microdosing this and seeing if it'll help me fall asleep so I can actually get sleep and recover for these fights. And it worked very well. And I feel like it healed my relationship with cannabis.

And then, of course, CBD. I think people have heard me on – when I talk about your company at the beginning of these shows, I was able to come off at eight ibuprofen a day with CBD. I mean I was – I'd have two workout, two hard workouts a day. Sometimes a third would be just cardio and I wouldn't, I wouldn't take any ibuprofen for that. But if I have two major training sessions in a day, I'd have four ibuprofen. So 800 milligrams, uh, for, you know, each time I'd train basically. And I did that for fucking years, not knowing what it was doing to my stomach lining. Um, not really knowing the consequences because it's over the counter.

It's like, Hey, yeah, they're selling this in stores. It's gotta be okay for me. Right. Um, so really when I started taking a, you know, through how to eat, move and be healthy by Paul check, really understanding the impact of this stuff and understanding foods, impact, sleeps, impact all of these different things. That really helped me to understand I need to come off. I just had nothing to replace it with. But when CBD came around, it was like, oh, here's something I can take. That's not going to get me high, but it is going to make me feel better.

It's going to lower my inflammation, which will ultimately quiet the noise of the pain signal in my body. It allows me to sleep better. I mean, it just did so many things that I started weaning off ibuprofen. And over time, I didn't have to take any of it. I mean, I'm fucking blown away. Like I have been a fan for many years because of that, you know, probably a decade now because of its ability to help me come off of drugs, really, you know, not the good drugs, not the good drugs at all.

Yeah, I mean, that's incredible. And we've heard, you know, so many people give the same type of feedback about it. I never really was into smoking. I didn't like the way THC made me feel. That was just kind of like a personal preference and not to demonize THC. But, you know, I think it can be dangerous when you're young, you know, your, your prefrontal cortex isn't done developing. Your brain isn't done developing. I think until you're about 25 years old, I remember I went to go see Dr. Daniel Amen, who's like a well-known neurologist and he has the Amen Clinic where they take a spec brain scans. And so I went there a couple of years ago

and he was kind of telling me and showing me results of people who at a young age were, you know, drinking, doing Coke, smoking. And it was almost just weed was almost just detrimental, which is kind of scary if you're smoking at a very young age before the brain is developed. So what's kind of beautiful about CBD and the other cannabinoids is they're non-psychoactive. You know, they, they come from the marijuana and the hemp plant, but for me, I really loved not zero THC products, A, because I was getting tested by WADA throughout my career. And that was obviously a huge concern and I needed to, you know, pass all those tests to fight, to fight and everything. But I just didn't enjoy how I felt when I got high and I kind of still, I still don't. Um, having said that I have a lot of buddies that either, you know, play ball in the NFL, they fight that, you know,

they smoke for pain. I think that's incredible. And I think if it works for you, THC can be a very valuable tool, um, in your arsenal. But for me, I think CBD has so many other benefits where you don't need to get high and you don't need to alter your state of mind. You know, it's a massive anti-inflammatory. And as you mentioned earlier about the ibuprofen, I was the same way. And I think that really, really hurt my autoimmune issues, my gut lining. And to this day, I'm still dealing with the effects of taking so much Tylenol and ibuprofen and painkillers throughout my career. And CBD helped me get off of those in a safe, natural way. I mean, you could walk down the street right now and go to CVS, Walgreens and go buy a bottle of Tylenol, take the entire bottle and kill yourself.

Right. But CBD has no toxicity. You can't overdose on it. Right. And it's incredible that the FDA will fully approve something like that or something like opioids where hundreds of thousands of people have been killed in the past few years from this yet it's fully approved and doctors write it off and use something like CBD, marijuana, hemp, that's been demonized for years and years. And there's no toxicity. You can't overdose. I mean, let's talk about risk reward. So for me, I started opening my eyes and learning, Oh, this shit is all about money. And if you can't patent it, they can't make money off it,

these drug companies. But all I know is it's helped millions of people over the past thousands of years that this plant has been around. So, you know, it was just an amazing alternative to me that changed my life completely. And I'm just grateful that I get to kind of be on platforms like this and spread the word and talk about my experience and, you know, hopefully give one person an idea of shit. Maybe I should try that because as I mentioned, the risk is really low and the reward is really high. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. There's no, I don't think there's an LD 50 for CBD. It's funny. I was just watching a video this morning. I usually watch my, the hard to digest shit that has to do with deep state or the world ending. I'll watch that when I'm in the sauna or

out for a walk during the day. I can't, I can't digest that stuff at night. It'll keep me awake at night. And a buddy of mine sent me this brilliant video from Russell Brand. We'll link to it in the show notes of him discussing the fucking, the absurdity that the FDA, I mean, the FDA used to be something that was 100% funded through tax dollars, right? So it's like our money's going to go to fund an agency that's going to look out for us and protect us from potentially harmful food additives and things like that, and as well as drug companies. And then they opened that doorway up to be, to get outside funding for things. Well, the outside funding all comes from the big pharmaceutical industry. They're the ones paying to get a drug fast-tracked.

And they might do it through patient advocacy, which is fucking pure comedy. Like, oh, these guys are going to die. They don't have 10 years to wait until this thing is approved. Get it out now. Does that sound like anything we're going through right now? Like, get it out now. Get it out now.

And yet they don't know. They have no idea what the long-term effects are of these things uh but it's pay to play you know and and the brand video is great because he really just goes through it so eloquently with the british accent but really just he he tells it how it is and he says he is pro science you know and he talks about the the argument of that is just comical to say. I love technology. We're recording right now using technology that science helped to create. Fuck yeah, I'm in. But when it's bought and paid for, that makes science a little different.

And certainly that's kind of the world we're living in right now. And anywho, I just circled back, you know, Dennis McKenna, who is an ethno botanist and one of the greats when it comes to plant medicines and understanding about these things, he, he talks about the orchestra that is mother nature, how everything is in harmony and the harmonics of such from, I don't think he gets into this, but I get into that, you know, is it intelligently designed? I think it's, the more you look into it, it's unequivocally so it is intelligently designed. Like the fact that we have a cannabinoid system in our body and plants that function within that system

endogenously and exogenously from our own production to the external production, like that is harmonious. And there are a number of other plants to psychedelics that function within our serotonergic system. you know, you can't give it to an earthworm might not, you know,

you could blow fucking DMT on an earthworm. It might not change a damn thing. But our consciousness is greatly affected and our bodies are greatly affected. And that's through that orchestra that is nature. Nature didn't make mistakes when it comes to this stuff. And that's nature with a capital N. You want to call that big G God or the universe or any of those terms, consciousness, the all consciousness, it's undeniable the interconnectivity of the great system that we're a part of, not the

governmental system that is policing us right now and trying to censor us, but the divine system that holds this thing together and animates all life is truly perfect. So when I think about things like that, like how is it that something could have such a benefit for the body and no side effects, no ability to kill a person? You know, like that's that's just it's remarkable. It's absolutely remarkable. It is. And I definitely think that there is a place, obviously, for Western medicine. I mean, we've made in the past hundred years so many advances that have saved lives and

changed the course of history. However, it's not the end all be all. And I always say that to people, you know, CBD was a piece of the puzzle for me. It wasn't the entire puzzle. I'd be lying if I said that. Everybody is unique. Every single body and mind and soul is unique. And there's different pieces in your life, mentally, physically that need to be adjusted, but Western medicine can't answer all those questions. I just know firsthand they can't. And while it's incredible when you're

thinking of emergencies or, um, abortive, um, you know, medicine, when you think of preventative, I just don't think it's doing the job. And I think that, you know, we need to get back to the basics. You know, we have millions and millions of people in this country alone that are chronically ill, like 33 percent of Americans are obese. We need to look at what we're eating and what we're consuming, both mentally and physically. And so it took me getting to a really, really dark place and on all these medications to come to this conclusion. But I'm glad I have because now I get the rest of my life to kind of correct all the mistakes that I made during my career when I think I was doing things just out of pure necessity, regardless of what it was doing to my mind and my body. Absolutely, brother.

You know, there's another great point that you brought up with regard to THC. And I don't know, I think if I was to say, if I was to guess how this happened, I think it's from my use with ayahuasca. But THC for me, like I said said i had leaned on it so much it was i mean i could have fairly high quantities you know like not snoop dog level but i could have really high quantities of thc and operate just fine when i was doing it every day and even after the time off when i reintroduced it later in my fight career on a lesser level um it still really boded well. But the more I got into working with ayahuasca, I'm not sure if it's the abilities of it to strip and clean my receptors, but the tiniest amount would rocket ship me. And I have, again, no problem, right?

You know, what determines if something's medicine or poison is the dose, right? Like it's, you know, what determines if something's medicine or poison is the dose, right? So I continue to scale my dose back with THC and I found a very, very light dose on the spectrum, like half a milligram, one milligram to be like my high point of comfort. I can take more, but there's going to be some discomfort. So it's interesting because, you know, I always used to be a guy who really liked CBD products that had 0.3% THC for that reason. Like, hey, all right, cool. I get a little bit of THC and I get the CBD with it. And over time that has completely changed. And the reason for that is I've had a couple experiences where I wanted to take a high dose of CBD either from an injury or, you know, I read one of these books like Battle Him that I told you about before the podcast. I'm like, I need to fucking turn.

I need to just lock down this anxiety for a second here and make sure I sleep tonight. And the THC content can actually climb pretty fucking high. It can climb really high if you're taking, you know, five 30 milligram doses of the CBD and it's at 0.3% THC. You're going to end up having a fairly decent dose, like an edibles dose. And I just love the fact that I can scale at any level and it's still 0.0% THC with your CBD company. I mean, talk about forming, if people haven't guessed, obviously you have, you started your own CBD company. It's an organic CBD company. It is my favorite CBD company. We advertise with you guys, My Soul CBD. And I just love the fact that I can have that 0.0. And if there's a time where I need to take 150 milligrams, I can. And there's no there's I don't have to look out for the double edged sword when it comes to that. That's a great point. Yeah, I started the company three years ago with my sister. She's my co-founder and I was still in my career.

But the timing was actually serendipitous because I had just broken my rib in that fight I'd mentioned. So when you break a rib, there's not much you can do. You know, it's not like I broke my hand. I could still run and go to the gym. So I had about six months off because it was a really bad break. And I was obsessed with CBD and all natural alternatives and plant medicine. And so we just kind of started as a side hustle. One of our spare bedrooms, we were, you know, I had a buddy of mine who, uh, worked with

one of the best farms in the country, um, uh, hemp farms. And so we ended up kind of sourcing through them initially. And, um, it just blew up. Now we have 16 employees and we're helping thousands and thousands of people every single month. And it's been a beautiful journey, all online direct to consumer. And so for me, as I mentioned earlier, the zero THC option was really important. And we have a lot of other capsules and products that have other ingredients that do some heavy lifting as well that we're super proud of that have, you know, adaptogens and nootropics and, you know, a lot of other ingredients that are well-known, well-studied and well-tolerated most importantly. So for us, it kind of just started as like, as I mentioned, a little side hustle and it just grew and grew because we realized so many people were dealing with pain and anxiety. You know, our three biggest pain points are pain, anxiety, and sleep.

And it's incredible that this compound CBD can do that. You know, as you mentioned earlier, all mammals have an endocannabinoid system. And so, you know, it's humans and even dogs and cats that are responding well now to CBD as more studies are coming out and there's more literature on the benefits of it. So it just kind of took off naturally. It was never a plan to blow this thing up and turn it into what it is today. But I do think it was a beautiful thing because it gave me a what's next as well. When the company really started to grow and I decided to retire about a year and a half ago, I think I probably would have kept fighting. I would have kept fighting or I would have done things that I wasn't passionate about. And so I'm very grateful that this gave me an outlet to pursue something that I feel passionate about, similar to sports and similar to boxing.

But I'm just it's awesome that we can help so many people. And another reason for the Zero THC is we have a lot of athletes. We have a lot of moms. We have a lot of moms. We have a lot of, you know, moms that give to their kids, nurses, doctors. But once again, I don't want to demonize THC. I just think it didn't fit for our brand and our community right now. But, you know, we felt that CBD, CBN, and a lot of other ingredients could do the heavy lifting without the psychoactive element of THC. And so, yeah, that's kind of what we've stuck by as a company at Soul CBD. Oh, yeah, it's fantastic. And one of the things that I love is you guys have,

you know, a multitude of form factors. You know, the oils typically are my favorite way to take it. I talk about the watermelon mint being the best flavor and all that jazz. And I'll save that. I guess I just gave you a fucking big plug there, but I said, I'll save that for the ad reads. One of the things I wanted to get into though, is that you guys do have a sleep cocktail and a pill that has melatonin, some other things. Talk about that and talk about the importance of mastering sleep from an organic standpoint, because this, this, it doesn't matter what we're talking about. When we're talking health and wellness, if you want to talk immunity, sleep is one of the foundational pieces of that. If you want to talk fat loss,

sleep is one of the foundational pieces of that. Recovery from hard workouts, sleep, cognitive function, you want to have memory retention from the books that you're reading and be able to regurgitate the shit like I do on a podcast. Sleep is a foundational piece of that. All of these things, you know, from when Matthew Walker first went on Rogan's, he did like six hours on Dr. Peter Tia's The Drive. You know, he wrote the book Why We Sleep. Super important, but it was crazy to me that he had started looking into some of the organic things that can help aid sleep. He had looked into the things you shouldn't do, like don't take Ambien. That's not actually making you sleep. And a lot of the medications that are out there,

and again, it's not bashing Western medicine. It's just saying it is what it is, right? Look to nature, look to lifestyle for preventative medicine look to western medicine for triage like i tore my right labrum doing a barbell snatch and every time i punched my arm would slide out of the socket i have a functioning shoulder because of western medicine but i'm not healthy because of western medicine you don't get that but talk about talking about you know the formulation of dream and what, what went into that because it's such a cool product. I take it every night. I absolutely love it. And I think it, it really is something that can help a lot of people because a lot of people don't sleep well. Yeah. Well, thank you.

Thank you. I mean, it means a lot. I love hearing from people that they love that product. It's one of my favorites. I take it almost every single night as well. All of our capsules and products have been doctor formulated. And this one in particular, I'm really proud of. The Dream Capsules have a lot of different ingredients outside of CBD that promote sleep. But you made a great point earlier that just because you're getting sleep doesn't mean it's good sleep, right? And so what I started doing and what we started testing with a bunch of different participants was their actual sleep cycles, testing their deep sleep, their REM cycles, how it increased, decreased. And we started giving them our dream capsules and CBD.

And me, myself, I noticed that I wasn't getting good sleep. And I thought I was. So I'd wear the Whoop band and track my REM cycles. And I noticed that, you know, I was getting about like 69 to 72% recovery and I just couldn't figure it out why. So I started taking DreamCaps and all of a sudden that started spiking to 92% for me.

And it's wild. And we did studies with a handful of people, athletes, non-athletes, their REM cycles started getting on point and increasing their sleep cycles started getting better. They started getting better sleep because of these natural, um, ways and alternatives to, to really dial into deep sleep. Cause we know that's how you recover. And especially as an athlete, you're getting beat up all day and it's your body's natural way to recover. Um, we have some awesome ingredients in there like melatonin, magnesium,

passion flower, chamomile, and CBD as well. So obviously melatonin people are more familiar with. It's a naturally occurring hormone. It'll regulate your sleep cycle. We have three milligrams in there, which is nice because it's a little bit smaller dosage. If you want to take two, you're more than fine to do that. And the magnesium is another thing that I've been very, very passionate about. It's a mineral that's well-studied, well-known, well-tolerated, promotes a steady, good state of sleep and relaxation, helps you fall asleep too, and can help with muscle recovery as well. So we basically just kind of took the best, most well-known, well-tolerated ingredients at the right amounts and put them into these dream caps.

And it's by far one of our best-selling products because people are just addicted to it in a good way. Yeah, definitely, definitely in a good way. Well, what, what, where do you see your life going now and where do you see this company going now? And I mean those as two separate questions. Maybe they're obviously interlocked, but what does life look like post-fighting for you? Yeah, I'm still trying to figure that out, to be honest. I think that there'll always be a little sense of wanting know, and I'm sure you felt this too. I have dreams or nights where I think of a fight or I wake up and I miss that feeling, man. I definitely miss that,

that feeling of that adrenaline rush and that sense of purpose, you know, and while I have, you know, this company and other things that definitely fill my cup, it's just never the same as fighting in front of thousands of people and putting your life on the line and just risking it all for something you believe in and having teammates and brothers that work with you. So for that, I'm still searching for that. I'm 34. I started surfing, which I'm obsessed with now and gets me a close feeling in terms of competing with myself and just that rush. But, you know, I think it's starting to get healthy. I had a career where I beat myself down for years and years. And so

the next, as I mentioned before, you know, 60, 70 years of my life are about getting healthy mentally and physically and really opening up my mind to different modalities, getting more into plant medicine, getting more into plant medicine, getting more into cognitive behavioral therapy and working on, you know, healing my brain and my body and my soul. In terms of the company, you know, we just want to keep growing. I don't have any specific goals in terms of top line or, you know, number of sales or anything like that. It's really, I just want to help more and more people continue product innovation. you know, a number of sales or anything like that. It's really, I just want to help more and more people continue product innovation. You know, we're coming out with a sleep gummy, for instance,

and we're really building out this gummy pain point line. So we want to develop gummies, you know, an easier mechanism for people sometimes that are adverse to taking pills. We want gummies that help with focus and have nootropics in it. We want gummies to help with sleep, gummies that help with focus and have nootropics in it. We want gummies that help with sleep, gummies that help with anxiety. So we're really building out this with the team of doctors, this new product line that I'm really, really excited about. And my sister is getting into more female focused products as well within Soul CBD. So it's just kind of taking

it day by day, but yeah, still trying to find that thing. And maybe I'll never find it. But that feeling, that adrenaline rush, whatever you want to call it, that I still do miss. I'd be lying if I said I didn't. But I'm just taking it day by day. 2014 so seven years and I refused to train Muay Thai for like probably four years after that because I knew if I trained it then I'd want to spar and if I sparred and I you know I was learning something new and I'm able to land it then all right man maybe I'll maybe I'll try it one more time because you do make improvements you know and with a fully recovered body that's not banged up from the grind, it's easy to have those thoughts of like, well, fuck, man, I've never been this healthy. Maybe I run it back, you know. I didn't know about sauna and ice bath and Wim Hof breathing. I didn't know about this. I didn't know about dispensa.

I didn't know about all these different things. Finally, I'm in a position now where I can safely say, like, I'm good. I'm not going to fight again. Um, and I have started training more Muay Thai and, and jujitsu. And I, and I love that. I love the fact that I can get in there and I can get a hard workout in it. No, it's not even close to the same thing, but at the same time, it's just different. There's a different feeling you know

uh when you throw on some good tunes you're jumping rope you're shadow boxing you throw on the raps and you fucking bang the bag a bit that's different than going for a run it's different than lifting weights and you know i love running and i love lifting weights too but it's it's nice to have that back in the arsenal because i think that tickles a piece of me where it's like, you know, I have a fucking, I have an arsenal of guns. I hope to God I never have to shoot another human being, but I have those and I practice with them often just in case, you know? So it's nice that I can keep myself tuned and keep the blade sharp, if that makes sense. Still having the same prayer. I hope to God I never knock somebody out or need to, but or need to defend myself or my

family. But at the same time, if I feel the equivalency is there, then that allows me to sleep a little bit better at night, especially having little kids and seeing the world the way that it is right now. Yeah, that's awesome. I'm happy to hear that because I'm not quite there yet. I'm like almost two years retired and I've stepped in a boxing gym

maybe three times in two years. I kind of just, maybe it's PTSD or something, but I definitely still need, and like I said, I think surfing right now for me serves that, but everyone needs like that outlet. But I do miss that feeling of like, maybe you had a bad day or just kind of feeling like, oh shit, I still got it and hitting the bag. And I don't know if that'll take another six months or another six years, but I do look

forward to that when I can get back in the gym and be in there like with a smile on my face, not like, oh shit, mentally, you know, I go to that place of, well, I'm back at the place that caused me so much pain yet, you know obviously, I was obsessed and loved it. So I'm still kind of battling with that. But hopefully, I'll be there in a few years like you. Yeah, it'll come, brother. It'll come, no doubt. No doubt about it.

Well, where can people find you online, brother? Yeah, so our website is mysoulcbd.com. You can find me at OfficialMikeLee um you know on instagram i'm usually on there i love to answer dms um drop in there if you have any questions whether you've dealt with autoimmune issues or have any questions about um anything we spoke about today i love connecting with with people and trying to help in any way i can. But yeah, I appreciate you having me on the show. This is a long time coming and, you know, look up to you and your career and everything that you've been preaching.

So it's an honor to, to be on the platform today, man. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on, Mike. We'll do it. We'll do it again down the road, brother. Sounds great. Thank you. you