Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #226 Jared Pickard

Episode Date: November 11, 2021

Jared Pickard is a new guest to the show, but you better believe he’ll be back fam! He has a wealth of knowledge on biodynamic farming, anthroposophy and manifesting a vision with pure love. We dive into the biodynamics of his spread in the mountains of NorCal. Please seek out his incredible product “Summer Solstice Serum” wherever you can find it, but here’s the places he mentions:  www. Sunpotion.com   www.capbeauty.com  Connect with Jared:   Instagram: @beherefarm  Email Jared through their site: www.beherefarm.com [e-mail]  Show Notes:   No notes fam, just enjoy and please seek out other farms like Jareds, get on a first name basis with them and support your local regenerative agriculture. Sponsors:   Super Speciosa is the absolute best Kratom I’ve worked with head over to getsuperleaf.com/kkp for 20% off everything in store! - For their holiday specials enjoy an extra 20% off and stock the EFF up! Organifi Go to organifi.com/kkp to get my favorite way to easily get the most potent blend of high vibration fruits, veggies and other goodies into your diet! SPECIAL NOTICE!! Nov 26-30 enter code KKP for 25% off everything and free shipping on orders over $100 EightSleep Pod Pro Fully optimize your sleep with their wide range of programmable temps by going to www.eightsleep.com/KKP  and use code “KKP” for $150 off the pad or mattress. Look for their Black Friday/Cyber Monday specials on their site PaleoValley Some of the best and highest quality goodies I personally get into are available at paleovalley.com, punch in code “KYLE” at checkout and get 15% off everything! Connect with Kyle:   Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service Academy  Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys   Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com  Zion Node: https://getzion.com/ > Enter PubKey  >PubKey: YXykqSCaSTZNMy2pZI2o6RNIN0YDtHgvarhy18dFOU25_asVcBSiu691v4zM6bkLDHtzQB2PJC4AJA7BF19HVWUi7fmQ   Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

clappy clappy makes you happy and we're back all right y'all that was uh that was a whopper a whopper of a podcast that i've had brewing in me for quite some time um of course speaking of the red pill solo cast that was just released last week um again there's going to be a lot of questions that arise from that. And if not from the podcast itself, I hope there's a lot of questions that arise from that. That means there's at least a sparked curiosity. With that, if there is a sparked curiosity, hopefully there is a thirst for more and you dive into those show notes, read some of the books that are applicable, right? Applicable to what you're willing to learn at this point in

time. But still, I want more communication between myself and the listeners. And so I would really love it for y'all to continue writing me at livingwith at living with the Kingsbury's on Instagram, hit us in the DMS, or if you are on Zion, just search Kyle Kingsbury in the community page. That is where pretty much everything will be going in the future. Um, all of me, all of JP Sears, all of many of the great people that are, that are logged onto that. And, um, like I said, it can't be taken down. Listen to my podcast with Justin Rosvani for more on that. But anywho, um, it's, it's where I'm able to talk completely uncensored and not worry about a damn thing. My podcast lives there and we'll live there forever. And, uh, we can post videos, we can share, we can tip each other money, 100 satoshis or more, whatever.

We're talking about fractions of a penny. So the like button is you tip somebody a fraction of a penny. That's pretty cool, in my opinion. It's better than a like button. So lots of good stuff over there. Really hope you all found that useful. As it turns out, I already had two more in the can. I've got Jared Picard right now, and I've got Dr. Nathan Riley coming up. Two people that I've become very close with in a

very short amount of time. And another head nod from spirit or source or whatever you want to call that, another head nod from God, in my personal opinion, in that what's been coming through in the deeper journeys that I've done, breathwork, plant medicine, and otherwise, is that because we're all interrelated, I'm already connected to the masters and the people that are walking the path, and I'm already connected, and so are you. I'm not special. I'm unique, just as you are unique, but I don't have gifts that y'all don't have.

These types of things are accessible to everyone when we live the four doctors, we find our center and we tune into the field. So as I have been tuning into the field and walking the path, one of the messages that kept surfacing for me was, hey, I might be a jack of all trades, but an ace in none, but there's only one degree of separation from the aces. And this was proven to me time and time again. So I sat with Jason Picard at Paul Cech's 60th birthday and really got to know him on a deep level. And Dr. Nathan Riley as well, who will be on this podcast next week. Of course, we've already recorded that.

And soon after I recorded with Nathan, he introduced me to Jason's brother, Jared. Jared Picard, who was out here for the Runga event alongside Nathan with Ben Greenfield. And man, the other guy's name is slipping my mind, but I want to get him on this podcast. Joe something. Y'all probably know him. But I have so many things on my plate right now that I got to learn. Off-grid living, sustainable housing, green housing, biodynamic farming. It's a big one. And really all of Steiner's work, anthroposophy, there we go, anthroposophical knowledge. It shows how green I am when I don't even know how the fuck to say it. But biodynamic farming is at the top of that list.

And so Dr. Nathan Riley was like, hey, man, I got a buddy that's in town. I want to intro you to him. I think you guys will hit it off. It's Jason's brother, Jared. And I was like, dope. What's he into? And he goes, well, he's got a 300 acre biodynamic farm at Mount Shasta. I was like, get out of town, dude. Are you serious? So we spend a great deal of time on this, but I mean, obviously I could talk with Jared about many things. He, he has a wealth of knowledge, fantastic human being. And his knowledge and wisdom is very useful in times like this, where we really do need a fair amount of us to support that type of farming and agriculture for our own personal health, for our family's health, and for the planet itself.

And really to not let this ancient wisdom slip through the cracks. One more tidbit I forgot to say on the Red Pill solo cast was that Bill Gates now owns more farmland than any other person in the world. And this is recent. He purchased some hideous amount of farmland, I think in Arizona and some of the other Southwest.

And this is a guy who is one of the owners of Monsanto. So it's not somebody who's like, yeah, let's do it regenerative. We're going to heal the earth. This is a guy who is actively destroying it. And I'm not sure if that's intentional or not. It may be. He's talked about overpopulation quite a bit. All that to say, anytime I bring up this dark stuff, there is light. Whatever dark exists, there's equal and opposite. The equal and opposite is always true. And Jared is the equal and opposite of Bill Gates. Now, that's a really strong compliment from my standpoint.

The work he's doing in the world does matter. And so we really dive into a great deal of what it means to farm biodynamically, what Steiner was trying to propose when Steiner brought this to the table. And that was very interesting and fascinating to me. I for sure am going to have a pretty tight relationship, you know, for the rest of our lives. There's no doubt. And not just from this podcast and sitting with them, but because anytime I meet somebody where I feel there's an equal playing field and that I obviously have, you know, the things that I feel equivalency with, and I have a certain degree of having been a student for long enough that I can teach it. I love meeting somebody where there's just a whole world of information and knowledge and wisdom that I can learn from. And Jared's just a beautiful guy. Their farm is called Be Here Farm, and they have a product that is incredible. And the show isn't about his product. I have a

lot of guests on who have products and that's usually not why I bring them on. Even if they're a sponsor, it's just, I want to know them. I want to get their story out. And they also have some cool shit. His product is really cool. Then he talks about how it's made and it's one of the coolest things. I'm not going to spoil it. He definitely dives into it, but it's like, wow, like the amount of energy that goes into that. I'm not saying work or sweat from human energy. I'm saying the amount of energy

from the cosmos to the soil that's implanted in that product makes it what it is. It's the summer solstice serum and it's his entire farm in a bottle. So I'm just blown away by this stuff. Really, really, really cool guy. And I know you guys are going to dig this one.

I'm going to, I'm going to do my best. I know I've mentioned, I've got Mickey Willis coming back on. I'm going to try to get Dell Big Tree here before the end of the year, at least early next year. They're definitely worth having on at least once a year, if not twice a year. I mean, most of my guests are, I shouldn't say all, most of my guests are people that I want to have on at least once or twice a year. Whether they're pointing out some of the hard truths or whether they're already in the service of making things right and doing it correctly and

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come on this show from Paul. And we've got a couple of friends that I got to meet at Paul's as well that are here watching us. I met your brother out there, Jason, and you were talking about, you know, this similar story. Paul always described me or described Jason to me as somebody who's worked with him the longest out of anybody and, and how he's, you know, a master in his own right now. And, you know, it was the guy that turned Paul onto biogeometry and I'm like, no shit. That's how you got into get into that, you know? And obviously we've both got some biogeometry gear on right now. Um, but talk a bit about your, uh, just your life growing up, what led you into the work that you're doing now and really the

rebound health-wise because that kind of paralleled with your brother. Yeah, absolutely. It's funny, Jason now gets mentioned on Paul's podcast. I just heard the episode you guys, you just released and I heard Jason Picard on the podcast and I was like, my brother. But historically, he's always been mentioned anonymously as Paul's longest client or this very long-standing client. This journey that he's had with Paul has been something that caught my eye pretty much right away

because my brother went through a huge transformation. I don't think it was from having met Paul so much as being introduced to Paul's work at first. So we met somebody who was a Czech practitioner in New York City. When I say we, I really mean my brother. My brother sort of saw one of his friends work with a Czech practitioner and go through a pretty serious transformation. And then he started working with him. At the time, my brother, who should get on one of these shows and tell his story, but he was really quite ill health-wise. I'm sure he was having some actual present health issues, but it was more of the fact that he was extremely obese and

is starting to, if not cause health issues, certainly would over time. And it wasn't really slowing down the pace of his health deterioration, let's say. Professionally and socially, he was kicking ass. And so it was sort of a wake-up call to realize, wow, even with all this amazing stuff going on, I feel absolutely terrible. So when he started working out, and I suppose working in, once you know the whole picture, which is probably what he started with for, I would guess, six months or something like that, based on the condition he was in. But I basically saw him drop a bunch of weight. And weight has sort of been the barometer for health in our family our whole life. It was like,

oh, you're fat or too fat you're too overweight like for me I was on the football team growing up later lacrosse thankfully which didn't have weigh-ins but the football team had weigh-ins and it was to make sure that some huge kid wasn't crushing some little kid because people grow at different rates or whatever but it really hardly ever seemed to impact the six foot, seven foot tall monsters because everyone was more or less similar heights. It was really just the fat kids. And so me and the other seven or eight fat kids on the team

and our fathers usually and the referees and the coaches would weigh in before a game and you'd either be able to play or not and you were always within a couple pounds of the limit because that's how much you weighed. And I was getting no real, from what I know now, no real advice on health and wellness. Certainly some advice on fitness and weight loss, which was being driven pretty hard by our parents who, when they hear me talk about this stuff on podcasts, I think they feel bad that I seem to be talking about it in a negative way. But I mean, I'm not really.

I just think there was a lack of information. I know that they were absolutely super concerned about our health and wanting us to be in the best shape we possibly could be in. But in retrospect, we were eating an entirely reduced fat diet of mostly processed foods, except for the barbecue chicken and the different actual foods we were eating. I was eating a lot of cereal, a lot of margarine, a lot of egg beaters, a lot of pesto from the tub. Just so many- Drinking foods. Just so many things that, I don't know, I didn't have a concept really for them being whole foods or not at the time. It wasn't even an idea of mine.

And so this upbringing led my brother and I both to being pretty overweight. I don't really know what weight he topped out at. I topped out somewhere around 250 or 260, and I'm on a six-foot frame, so I was pretty heavy. Thankfully, I was playing lacrosse my whole life. And if I hadn't been an athlete, I don't know what would have happened to me, um, between the recreational sort of drugs and alcohol that we enjoyed in college and the fast food and the lifestyle. I was like, thankfully I was playing lacrosse every single day. Otherwise I probably

would have been 350 pounds. But when my brother lost about 50 pounds, I sort of noticed that. And it was kind of like, I could probably lose a few LBs myself. And so I started working out with a Czech practitioner who I would have called a personal trainer at the time. I had no concept of what a holistic life coach was, what a Czech practitioner was. I don't even think this guy talked about Paul or Czech in his work very much that I recall. It was just sort of, there I was in the gym doing his thing. And this is life-changing for me, meeting this person. His name is Chaba Lucas.

I mean, it's still his name. And Chaba introduced me to Paul's teachings, primarily the four doctors. And that was all new information to me entirely. And it was the first time in my life that the information actually had feedback that worked for me. I could see my body and my condition and my general sense of well-being and how I felt improving based on the information. It was a positive feedback loop. And so I've never really looked back from that moment, but the major introductions was, like I mentioned a moment ago, the difference between working out

and working in, which you've probably defined on this show in the past. Drop it, brother. This shit, I used to have a fear of being too repetitive or bringing up an old story more than once, which I've done several times. And one of my listeners mentioned to me that it doesn't always land on the first go. So it's that second or third that actually hits home. Or sometimes it's just that gentle reminder of like,

oh shit, yeah, I haven't done that in a while. Exactly. Like I know it, but I don't practice it. home. Or sometimes it's just the, that gentle reminder of like, Oh shit. Yeah. I haven't done that in a while. Like I know it, but I don't practice it. Right. So bring it, bring it in for us. Well, I mean, like, I like to define it to my friends and family because most people don't have this information and most people are working out. So working out as activities where you expend more energy than you generate, working in activities where you generate more energy than you expend. And the result is obvious. I heard you talking to Paul the other day. You leave the gym, you feel energized.

You were probably working out a lot of those times, but you also have a great reserve of energy and you're in excellent condition. So if you're in terrible condition, like my brother and I were when we began this journey, there's a real argument to be made to not work out at all, just to work in. This last year has been extremely stressful for us. I've gone through periods of three or six months of just working in once or twice in the last year.

I mean, barely teetering into working out, but overall keeping my health condition improving and really just honoring the fact that that's where I was. If I'm super stressed out, I'm not going to go really stress myself out in the gym. I'm going to support myself. And sometimes that's lying down in the grass. Sometimes it's Tai Chi, Qigong, you know, restorative yoga, slow walks, or, you know, I don't know, even just standing there and letting gentle movements kind of pass through my body and seeing where it takes me. So working out, working in was a tremendous learning for me. My whole life up until that point, I was working out to lose weight. And that was the exclusive sort of mathematical equation of health. Dr. Quiet was probably the

other life-changing thing that happened. Just the idea of a mindfulness practice in general, I had no introduction to prior to that. And my first guided meditation, basically, the lady sort of broke it down to me in a way that stuck with me and I think is probably worth sharing because especially if you don't have a mindfulness practice, but she kind of let me understand that there's two, let's say, silos of the mindfulness game.

One is your mindfulness practice, which is I'm going to sit down and do a meditation. And she akin that to like taking a bath. You're going to sit down for 30 or 45 minutes. You're going to soak in the mindfulness and you're going to build your quote unquote mindfulness muscle. And just like the yogis take their practice off the mat, like you're going to then have a deeper mindfulness practice if you do that every day and kind of hit the mindfulness gym in that way. The second entirely different silo, which really is only strengthened by the first silo, is the thread of mindfulness that goes throughout your entire day and has nothing to do with the fact that you're sitting down for a mindfulness practice, but that you're just being mindful in whatever you're doing. And there's this hilariously titled book, like, what is it? It's mindfulness, meditation in a New York minute, super calm for the super busy or something like that.

It's like eight minute minute abs your mindfulness exactly and that that stupid little book changed my life as well because it was like 37 or some on random number of exercises mindfulness on the subway mindfulness like while you're eating mindfulness in the shower and it just explained this concept of being mindful while you're doing your regular activities. And so mindfulness, working out, working in, these are the four doctor teachings. And then the one that kind of probably took a hold of my life the most was Dr. Diet.

The idea that organic food was a thing. I mean, this was 2007 or eight, and I was not aware of that. I did not have any concept of organic food being somehow different than non-organic food or what that even meant. And so as soon as I started trying to source organic food, basically taking this guy's word for it that it was important for my health and not really understanding it much deeper than that, I realized it was a little bit difficult to find organic food. There were some restaurants in New York that celebrated organic, at least in their marketing, and they were kind of expensive,

especially if you're talking about three meals a day for your entire life. I immediately developed the ability to cook. That was another life-changing thing. I started preparing my own food at home, which made it easier to find organic ingredients and then know that I was eating organic ingredients because otherwise it's a little bit difficult to tell. Now, 15 years later or whatever it is, there's very few restaurants that I would be comfortable eating at. I make a phone call ahead to ask three or four simple questions before I would consider going to a restaurant for sure. What kind of cooking oil do you use?

Yeah, I try to start... The person on the phone often doesn't know the answer to my question. Just for everybody's time, I try to keep it as simple as possible. I'll say like, hi, does the kitchen celebrate and focus on organic ingredients primarily? They don't know the answer to that. It's like you're in murky waters. The next question would be, is your beef 100% grass-fed, grass-finished? Because if you're thinking about sourcing at all, you probably got some grass-fed beef on your hands.

And if the answer to that is no, then I don't normally get to the third or fourth question, which would be like, whoa, what do you put to your oil? Stuff like that. So I start a blog at this time called I'm High on Cooking. And this basically, I start a blog at this time called I'm High on Cooking. Basically, the need to write something every day or multiple times a week, this draws my attention completely.

It was sort of like journaling without having a journaling practice. Through the process of blogging, and maybe you've learned this through the process of podcasting, like discovering entirely new passions. But through the process of writing about the food, I went on this journey of trying to find cleaner and better sources of food and get more in touch with the sources of my food, which led me to taking trips to lots of different farms. So this blogging starts introducing me to food production and to farming.

And that's really kind of where the light turns on. Flash forward to today, my wife and I own a biodynamic farm. Biodynamic is a pretty far beyond method of what some people might say beyond organic farming. I know you've talked about it quite a bit. I do want to dive into that. We've been chatting on the phone. Obviously, Paul has introduced me into Rudolf Steiner's work.

And he's one of the few people where it's like, where the fuck do I start? Steiner? Yeah, Steiner has so, so, so much. That's such a good question. And most of his books, thankfully, are pretty small. You know, Philosophy of Freedom, I think, is one of two books available on Audible. That's a good one to listen to.

I like the narrator there. I just got his Biodynamic Farming or Biodynamic Agriculture book. And that's actually thick. That's a fucking meaty book. Agriculture course? Agriculture is meaty. And there's another one that Paul had mentioned is his favorite book on agriculture. And then you mentioned that person to listen to on audio,

which I want to dive into. But really- That's probably the same person, actually. Okay. I wonder if it is. Dennis Klosak. It's got to be. I see.

I have the books at home. I've got a whole little stack actually going right now, books that I need to read in preparation for caring for the land and really bringing that resonance there. You know, biggest little farm style. It's so beautiful. But really unpack that because, you know, the only person who I've really had a deep dive on this with was Todd White, the CEO of Dry Farm Wines, and they source biodynamic. And he really wanted to make a point on that, but that was, I think, a year or two ago. Well, I mean, like, Sherveen's dropped some nuggets.

That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. Okay, yeah. He's gone through Steiner's education. Well, what's interesting, and my daughter is a Waldorf child. So yeah, I mean, you asked such an interesting question. Where do you start?

Because Sherveen and I started in completely opposite ends and that leads me to believe that you can start anywhere. I think it's a real ball of yarn and all the threads sort of lead inwards to you. So Chervene's background, from what I could tell from listening to him, I barely spoke to him at Paul's party for but a few minutes, but just from listening to him on your show,

he seems like he really has a deep understanding of the anthroposophical worldview, which for those entirely unfamiliar, anthroposophy is the body of wisdom that Rudolf Steiner spoke about, taught, and developed, which ultimately results in a worldwide community, but also this actual university and community in Switzerland called the Gürtelnaum,

where this stuff has been studied ever since the early 1920s, if not a few years before. The actual facility burnt down and was rebuilt, and I don't remember the years on that. But sometime in the early to mid-late teens, early 20s of the 1900s, this community comes to be. And it's based off of mostly his lectures. He gives thousands and thousands of lectures

over a 10 to 15 year period prior to his death. Prior to that, he was speaking mostly on world religions and started having like personal sort of conflicts with the other, I don't even know, like what this organization that he was involved in, I forget, some international theosophical society. And he sort of breaks away from that and starts the anthroposophical society.

And things he speaks on become practical solutions in these people's real time. You know what I mean? So he speaks on education at the Waldorf Astoria factory and starts the first Waldorf school. And an entire system of education,

not to mention a very thoughtful one, comes out from this guy's lecture. It's just mind-blowing. And a style of medicine, anthroposophical medicine, a particular style of homeopathy, comes out of this guy's musings. And basically the farmers of the time were, so just like to timestamp this moment in time,

so the agriculture course that you're talking about is a series of lectures given in 1924. And 1912 to 1920 is really kind of the introduction of chemical nitrogen fertilizers. It all sort of happens right then around World War I. And it always blows my mind that the ammunition and dynamite and gunpowder, the combustion that's required to blow things up

is the exact same thing we need to grow baby plants in the soil. That's how fucking large of a leap we're trying to take by stepping in as humans and using our intellect to try and replace that process. It's like we need to use dynamite in order to replace the magical sort of synthesis of whatever is going on in the soil when plants grow on their own.

And so Steiner's community of people, I mean, back at this time in the early 1900s was sort of the largest population of people, non-enslaved people farming in the world, and certainly in this country. And so that was the peak, you know what I mean? So we really are, this is a moment in time, it's the beginning of the decline of agriculture as industrial agriculture, thanks to the mechanization that kind of came about in the 1800s

and the cotton industry and the fiber industry. All these things are far more profitable to grow and store and sell the cotton whenever you can than to grow tender little vegetables for you and your family. And now there's railroads invented. They're shipping food across the country. So all of a sudden, you're not growing food for you and your loved ones, but you're, they're shipping food across the country. So all of a sudden you're not growing food for you and your loved ones,

but you're growing food and shipping it across the country to some middleman who's selling it to some city somewhere. So there's a real divergence in like what, you know, biodynamic people would certainly consider like our spiritual relationship with the land and with the food and then the food that we were eating as end users. So Steiner's community of people are saying like,

they're not exactly saying like, hey, these chemicals are messing up our land, but they're saying, look, we have hoof and mouth disease all across Europe. All of our farm animals are sick and dying. Like, you know, I'm just trying to remember stuff from the ag course. Like our alfalfa used to grow for seven or ten years. Now it barely grows for one.

They go on and on about all the sort of issues they're having. They basically beg this guy to speak on it. He's asked multiple times and doesn't speak on it. Maybe, presumably, he's just thinking about it. A year or two goes by, and he finally gives these series of lectures. And that series of lectures was shocking. I mean, it was talking about crazy shit if you're a farmer.

You're a farmer, you're a very practical person. You're working with manure, soil, plants, crops, maybe some machines and some livestock. This guy starts talking about like, you know, fermenting flowers under the ground, stuffing things into cow horns, utilizing crystals, and also just like an entire anthroposophical interpretation of what it means to be a living being

and like how life develops and evolves and what our relationship is to the earth. And I mean, it's really hard to explain. You could read that ag course 15 or 20 times and still feel like you only have 3% or 5% of it. And it's because it's sort of like going into the last day of grad school and hearing the final lecture and trying to make sense of it

when you're really 12 years old and you haven't even been through high school yet. You've missed this entire... He's given thousands of lectures. So biodynamics is the anthroposophical approach to farming. And so if you really, truly want to understand it, well, you got to first say like, well, what is anthroposophy? And like you said, there's thousands of lectures

and hundreds of books on many topics. And so I didn't have that education at all. I didn't even know what the word anthroposophy meant when I was a biodynamic farm owner. I maybe had heard about it, but I came about it from a completely different place. I'll try to circle back to the Steiner lectures and what comes out of that.

I came about it as a consumer. I learned about organic food, like I was saying. Eventually, I actually wanted to learn how to farm. That's where that journey went. We kind of kick-started this journey knowing that we wanted to develop a farm-based enterprise that would be some sort of entrepreneurial business stacked on top of a farm.

And in doing that, I sort of luckily landed on a farm that was an organic and biodynamic farm. So that was my first introduction, was the place I went to apprentice actually was calling themselves a biodynamic farm. In any of these farming systems, what you have to be careful of is that,

what does that really mean to each person? And even if there is a certification for something like certified organic, certified biodynamic, there's even if there is a certification for something like certified organic certified biodynamic there's always the bare minimum and then it's like you could do whatever you want after that so in retrospect this place was not really understanding or diving deeply into biodynamics either so i came to it just learning as a consumer that biodynamics was supposed to be like the best quote unquote the tastiest the best or even beyond organic so i just was a consumer looking for the best food

the best products and i sort of heard about biodynamics when we developed the idea for this entrepreneurial farm-based business it really turned into the idea of a hotel so we were developing a hotel on our property um for the last nine or 10 years. That was the plan leading up to the wildfires last September. And- Where are you guys located? We're in Sonoma County, Northern California. I'm from the Bay originally and have family up there.

So yeah, I know that one there. My dad's in the Santa Cruz mountains and just missed his house, barely. It literally just missed our house because it literally just missed our house like because it burned over our entire property but let's say the property is a square which it's not and the farm is right in the center of it the fire burned from all four sides right up to the farm where which is also where our home is it's just this like four acre clearing in a heavily forested mountain. Otherwise it's several hundred acres of forest.

And then just a couple acres of open space where the farm and the house is. And the fire put itself out in the ground about a foot outside our house and the farm on all four sides. So the forest in every single direction for miles and every winery and house surrounding us with the exception of one or two

burnt to the ground all of our barns, vehicles, power line, well biodynamic preps, products, glassware, labels everything also burned the house and the farm you'd be forgiven if you looked at it and said nothing even happened here. It's just this halo of protection around the space.

As a person who has worked on my imaginatory capabilities of relating with the living beings who we share home with. I don't know. It's just, this is where our culture sort of loses me because I start, maybe less so on this podcast, but it's hard for me not to think about how insane the majority of people will think I sound when I say things like this. But I really feel that we had sort of a relationship with the forest and the fire and the earth and just all of the sort of life process that is around us in that area. And it's somehow like bended space and time to have the fire just go right around us. I mean, had the fire burned down the house, there's almost, I can't even imagine in my mind how we would have not said like,

we're moving to Texas, you know, or just like change our life completely. But the fact that the house was there and that the farm was substantially there was like a real anchor to thinking like, okay, we're really supposed to be there. And we're really excited to go home. We're going home in like 25 days for the first time in over a year. We've been home once or twice, but I mean, we're going home to live there. And having the fire do all that it did obviously involved like a tremendous round of surrendering. There's nothing you can do about it and we're very underinsured and just tremendously overwhelmed with the recovery process which has been what this last year has been about

but at the end of the day one example is we're going to be 100% off grid starting in January. And being on grid in the mountains that we live on is not fun. It's scary. Your power line could have trees fall on it all the time and the power goes out all the time. PG&E turns it off all the time. So we're about to be better off than we've ever been in that one specific way. It's obviously very cool to be harvesting all of our own energy from the sun and not even having a power line or any connection to the grid at all.

There's just been a lot of silver linings that have come about in real time with this disaster. And it's just sort of changed my outlook on things in a positive way. There've been terrible things or deaths or horrible life events in the past, which in retrospect, I could look back on and think there's a lot of beauty that came out of that. I wouldn't be the same person without it. But this one was in real time. In real time, I was sometimes only, with the exception of the major financial stress and the actual bullshit of dealing with insurance companies and rebuilding things and all that kind of stuff,

it was mostly an experience of silver linings, which is weird to say because the fire completely changed our entire life course. We're no longer at this moment developing the hotel. Not that we might not one day, but we no longer are at this moment. And so we had been for nine years, tens of thousands of hours, day and night, exclusively focused on a single goal, which four days before the fire, our final construction budget was greenlit to sort of move on to the final phase of design and finally build this thing after a lot of effort. We greenlit the budget.

Four days later, we had the fire. And five days later, we had to let go of that dream entirely. And it's weird. It sort of feels more like a success than a failure because there's no real linear way to have gotten to where we are right now, which is that we have this home that we love. We have developed this biodynamic farm,

which is extremely unique in creating products of very high, if not unparalleled, quality. And it is in a location that, if you told me today, hey, let's go start a skincare company or let's go make some self-care products. We want it to be like the best of the best, whatever. There's just no way that you would go buy this 300 acre,

very difficult to grow on property and develop a biodynamic farm and live there. You wouldn't, you would just buy ingredients and have a little kitchen and make these products. What makes our products and brand special at this point is the fact that we are this biodynamic farm in this very unique location with this very intimate relationship with the land.

The products are a way of sharing that and letting people in on that experience. We couldn't have done what we're doing now if not having tried to develop that hotel and then having it burn down and change our minds entirely. So it's just sort of weird. We were happy where we are. We wouldn't have been able to get here

if not for these disasters. And yet they were disasters and they were terrible. But they were also somehow exactly what we needed. And you guys were growing the, what was the purpose behind the hotel? Was it to bring people out on the land and have them experience biodynamic farming together in community or explain the why behind that?

The life-changing, like the epicenter of that is sort of nature connection. Like if you have, if epicenter of that is nature connection. If you immerse somebody into nature and you give them time to relax and you feed them quality water and food absent of all... In this case, it would have been in a house absent of car, you know, like in this case, it would have been in a house absent of carcinogenic chemicals built out of earthen materials and organic fibers and, you know, things that a hotel guest may not even have cared about.

They may have. Some people certainly would have come specifically for that. But it would have been a generally luxurious hotel environment that anyone could have enjoyed on vacation. And yet, if you place them in that environment, they start to sort of become open to new ideas. Some of these new ideas might stick with them. They might take them home,

and they might start thinking about their food or how they develop their next house. And basically, it's just unbelievable how pro-inflammatory and like anti-health the real world is, let's say, you know what I mean? The world out there is tough. So these people are generally would have been coming from cities because most people live in cities. And so there's traffic, there's noise pollution, there's every kind of pollution, right? So all of a sudden they're out in a pristine environment.

Just that alone, it's basically like a detox and an opportunity for transformation. So we weren't looking to create some sort of regimented healing center or even a learning center like Esalen or something. Even though components of all of those types of places like yoga retreats and center, they could have been here at our property. The idea was really just to put you there. And if you're there, I mean, the world is

your oyster at that point. But once somebody makes the relationship or the connection that they are nature, that was the lock and key for me. So once I connected to nature and saw myself in nature and nature in myself, and just once I understood the unity consciousness aspect of life, I was a completely different person instantaneously. And I don't think that's something you can just hear on a podcast or maybe even appreciate intellectually.

But if you're just like, people have probably had peak experiences out in nature. Those are sustainable in my experience. My life is a peak experience of nature connection. And I would like to share that with people if they're interested and if it benefits them like it does me. That would be a beautiful thing.

It's what our family wants for ourselves. The idea of the hotel was basically if we create it, we'll have it. Yes, we created it to share it with other people, but that's also because that's really what we wanted in the world and what we wanted to have access to. I love that. Yeah. We've been thinking about different ways to, how do you let that ripple effect actually become more tangible? You know, there's there, we had Charles Eisenstein out at the last Fit for Service Summit, and he was

speaking about how it's just a different thing to be face-to-face with somebody, interacting with each other's energy fields, hugging one another, communicating with the full facial expression, as opposed to a Zoom meeting out of the office or even a podcast that you're listening to right now. It's a different experience than the experience you and I are having. And that really can't be overstated, you know, but that, that, that definitely paints a picture on the why behind, you know, having people there to experience that. Thankfully at the ranch that Aubrey is putting together, we will have fit for service events there. It's something I got an answer early during lockdowns last year. And I was like, we need our own space. And we already had that in Sedona, but I was like, we need one here in Texas, you know? And so the stars have lined up and

that's going through November 1st. So super thrilled to have the folks in fit for service out to that space and to be a caretaker. There's so much i want to dive in on here and obviously i want to get into your products and what you guys are creating now on your farm but really quick break down anthroposophy the sophie yeah i mean like the the word yeah anthroposophy i mean you know i dr thomas cowan is also really into this. He was just on. Yeah. And it's something I've heard. He's an anthroposophical doctor. Yes. Yeah. So, I mean, to break it down is not probably, I would say, my expertise. But I'm going to share what I can.

Because like I was saying, I came about it from a biodynamic perspective. Meaning, I learned about biodynamic food and farming. All of a sudden, I mean, that's not really how it happened. But all of a sudden, we're a biodynamic food and farming. All of a sudden, I mean, that's not really how it happened, but all of a sudden we're a biodynamic farm owner and I'm walking around my biodynamic farm, eating my biodynamic food and just loving life.

And everybody who comes into the farm, their eyes roll back in their head and they can't believe what they're seeing, the quality and the vibrant colors and the taste and the shapes and just the integrity of everything. You look at it and you're just like, why is there 17 times more spinach on that piece of spinach? It's just got so much texture and character.

Everyone's blown away when they walk around the farm. And then the next thing is people will taste things that they'll tell you they hate. I hate tomatoes. I don't eat cherries. Whatever it is, it doesn't matter. And they're like, come on, just taste one. They taste it and nine times out of 10,

it's the first time in their life they've ever liked that thing. And I was similar before I started growing food. I didn't like tomatoes. I didn't like mushrooms. I didn't like all sorts of things because the watery kind of sad versions of them that I was presented with my whole life aren't that.

So when you finally taste this stuff, so I was in that place and I was thinking, why? Because a lot of people who are even into regenerative farming and organic farming think that biodynamics is sort of, I don't know if woo-woo is the right word, but even just sort of not necessary, almost like religious sort of aspect on top of good farming. Great organic farmers will tell you, yeah, 90% of that is great, but all the other BS you guys do is like, if you like it, great, but you know, not needed. So the thing is, is that, well, why don't people walk around their farms and say the things that they're saying when they walk around our

garden? So I'm sitting there thinking, well, when those people who are saying that come visit our farm, they're very impressed with what they see so i'm like there does seem to be a difference between the two methods and so i sort of wanted to go down that rabbit hole of being like why is biodynamic working because if you don't think biodynamic works then basically what we're doing is nothing because we're putting homeopathic amounts of fermented flowers, basically, into a compost pile the size of a house. So a couple tablespoons of material into a huge compost pile.

That's one of the main things that we're doing. We spray some manure and rainwater concoctions on the field and we spray what's called the silica preparation, which is made out of quartz crystals crushed up and mixed with rainwater on the crops. There might be one or two other things that we do throughout the year, but that means we don't use any fertilizers.

We don't use pesticides, insecticides, fungicides, rodenticides, or any side that they're about to invent next, or any of the dozens or hundreds of other interesting soil amendments that people can sell and come up with, including certified organic ones. Yeah. And there's quite a bit. That was one thing that really got me scratching my head. And I think, you know, Paul dove into that and how to eat, move and be healthy. But even since then, I mean, it seems like every few months they're like, look at this new organic spray that grocers are allowed to use to keep avocados fresh or to keep your fucking banana from turning brown. Yeah. And it's like, ah, that's

kind of not, we're missing the point here. Like we're supposed to have this thing ripen on the tree or the vine and then take it without anything but the microbiome it's accumulated on its skin before we ingest that. Yeah. We're solving all the wrong, you know, problems. Basically the, the industry is not incentivized to solve the kind of things that we care about, which would just be super nutrient-dense, clean food. And that's really what I was after as a consumer and how I ended up finding biodynamics. But where we are now is like, okay, so why does it work? That's what I wanted to know. Because if you're saying that this little spoonful of flour can't possibly do it, and if you're saying the fact that we are interested in moon phases

can't possibly do it, which is probably a bad example because farmers have been working with the moon across all cultures for all time. But there's just plenty of things people point at when they hear about biodynamic practices that sound a little bit odd. And yet, that's the only thing we were doing on our farm. So we took a pretty dedicated approach to that. It wasn't like we did it when we could or we did it, but we also have this fertilizer and sometimes we spray Roundup in the areas that really get out of control.

I mean, you're laughing. A little glyphosate. You don't even know how extremely common that is on organic farms. You have some terrible patch of weeds on the edge of something and you just spray something on it and you consider it an emergency, let's say.

And I'm not saying the best organic farms, but you have to imagine on the industrial organic farms because even on some of the best organic farms, I've seen it personally as an intern or an apprentice or a visiting person. And when the inspector from the county came to our farm, or the ag department, I don't know who it was, somebody came to inspect our farm at one point. He said, where's your storage closet for toxic chemicals kind of thing?

And we're like, oh oh we don't have anything like that and he's like no you know you well we have gasoline it's like okay let me see that we showed him the gasoline he's like all right but like what about you know even roundup and we're like no this is a we're a biodynamic farm and he's like yeah but for emergency stuff like that and we said sir like we're not trying to mess around with you. Not only do we not have it, but I can't believe this is... I was like, is this not the answer you're finding on the other organic farms? And he said that pretty much everybody has products like that

for emergencies in certain circumstances. And that was like four or five years ago. And I still to this day, I'm just trying to wrap my head around what kind of emergency this guy's talking about that would call for that solution when I mean on our farm we've just never had such an emergency I don't know what else to say about that so making growing your food with entirely absent of any chemical or purchased product even certified organic ones is very rare Ryan who's sitting sitting in the room,

is a fan of another farming practice called Korean Natural Farming. What's pretty cool about that is, my understanding anyways, I'm just getting into it, is that they also make their things generally from scratch and from found materials and from locally sourced things. Making your things from scratch, you can't get better than that.

If you want to break down the difference between biodynamic and organic, that would probably be maybe an even easier conversation than trying to just understand what is biodynamic because it's a real can of worms. But the organic industry started as, well, frankly, biodynamic. Biodynamic was the first, like in 1924, 1928, this time period, when the first biodynamic farmers are putting Rudolf Steiner's lectures into play, into practice on their farms. This was in response to industrial agriculture. So at this point, there was no organic farming. This was, quote unquote, the first organic farming.

Over time, like let's say the 70s, post-World War II, not only is there now chemical fertilizers, but there's now chemical insecticides that were invented for the gas chambers and then get turned onto the food system shortly after World War II and DDT shortly after Vietnam. And so these things are now how we grow food. And basically the hippie culture in the 70s

takes the organic torch and it becomes a grassroots thing. What they're after is more ecological, better ecological alternatives to industrial agriculture, which they've become convinced is not working at this point.

That was in the 70s. Now where we are now is that it's a multi-billion dollar industry and probably 90 or 95 percent of the organic industry is like what you would call industrial monocultures. So organics no longer has any ethos around biodiversity, soil health, farm worker safety, health, watershed, wildlife, community, ecosystem. It's really just a list of which chemicals to use or not use. And of course, the lobbyists that sort of, you know, are impacting that list are probably pretty influential. So the things that you're talking about,

like new sprays for this or that, I mean, I have no idea about any of those things. I would never consider using them ever. There's just no need for it. Our farm, growing it in this way, is really a self-balancing system. Sometimes I have dry scalp, or I'll have a hive, or I'll have a little indigestion or something like that.

That's pretty much the extent of the farm's issues. Like there might be a little issue here or there usually resolves itself. If not some tea of some kind sprayed on it usually resolves it. How did you guys, I mean, I'm sure you've seen the biggest little farm. It's one of my favorite documentaries. I've watched it a few times with, with a baron Tosh and I cry every fucking time. And, and it's one of the things that I've, I've really tried to prepare us for is the amount of work that it's going to take to get things into a harmonious, you know, garden of Eden, which they accomplished, you know, that, that seven years that it took them to go from where it was at to actually to bring balance to the ecosystem. And by the end of this, they've got 89 barn owls and the snakes eat the gophers and keep the ducks and the chickens come in to eat the snails. And it kind of all is self-balancing and auto-regulating. How long did it take you guys to really bring that balance? Because what you're talking about here, like you might have to spray some tea and things like that. It seems like you've done quite a bit of the work to get it there or starting biodynamically really remedy all of that stuff in advance. I mean, right out the gate, these

practices were very impressive. Our first year growing, we were super, super blown away. And we were sort of thinking, know it was going to take a couple years kind of thing to really get the the quality in but i would say that the the the quality has definitely improved but not like the leap from where we were in year one to where we are now is much smaller than the leap from growing this way versus other styles of farming that I've been involved with. The organic farming system generally relies on organic fertilizer. Organic fertilizer is generally made out of blood meal, bone meal, and feather meal.

These things are generally not well-sourced. They're generally factory-farmed, non-organic animals that, through the magic of industry become powdered bags of organic farm amendments. That is the backbone of the organic farming system. And so I've really only

ever been a part of that because it's really about 99.9% of all farms use it. There's 0.002% of U.S. farmland is certified biodynamic. It's hard to find. It's hard to get around and learn

from these people. Of the 0.002%, I don't know what percent, but somewhere north of 80, it might even be 99% of it, is dedicated to wine grapes. In wine, biodynamics has just been more popular for a long time which is interesting because that's a hard you know it's not that's a labor of love

unless you have a cult wine and you're making millions of dollars like there's not easy to make money in wine and if there's one thing they certainly care about it's it's um like quality It's quality and taste and longevity and the fact that it's alive. And so I think it's pretty interesting that biodynamics is really popular in the wine industry where those people care about those things so much. And they do it and they don't often even talk about it. We live up in Napa, Sonoma area

where some of you know america's greatest wines are made and the most i mean i can name probably three or four of very famous cult wines that you would never know but in the field they definitely practice biodynamics um so yeah i don't know where I was going with that Anthroposophy so Anthroposophy as it relates to I mean what would I say about it I mean

what I'm gathering I guess is just you know it seems in the conversation of Steiner and everything that you have to dive into that with the timeline you've put out you know he finishes in large part with how to school children and how to grow food, right?

And that's the finishing lectures, but it's all this that leads up to that to where you really get to understand what he was about and what he was driving home. And to me, I think if I was to, without having really taken a deep dive into it, if I'm to guess, it sounds a lot like a return to within the sacred

hoop, where we understand that we're not separate from the same revelations you had around yourself as nature, or to quote Alan Watts, ourselves as God. And with that understanding, a deeper understanding of the inner workings and interrelation between all things it's i mean like yes but also like and a thousand other things i mean it's like the some of the stuff you and we're talking about it's like um biodynamics pulls in you know some of the greatest teachings from like ancient religions and and cultures and it can be a sentence in one of those lectures is you know send you down months worth of of thinking about something and so to me uh it i don't know if i'll ever have uh what i would consider a deep understanding of anthroposophy it's like what it actually is to me

is a questioning it's just it it's really how to observe and question things, I think, is the common thread amongst people who study the work or practice the work in the field or teachers. Like, because now, because if you're asking me to try to speak on anthroposophy, I have to think about, well, what are the common threads between like an anthroposophical doctor,

a biodynamic farmer, and a Waldorf teacher? Because they're all anthroposophical. So I think it's about observation and questioning and also certainly the veil of what we see is not where it ends. And certainly where scientific measurements end is not where the life experience ends. anthroposophy is how to how to put how to make inquiry and even be scientific with the realms that science doesn't even acknowledge exists um like dr callan you know talks about like you can't weigh and measure love or these other joys that you have in life that are the common thread from you at three to 30 to 90 or whatever.

And so Anthroposophy gives you a way to make those inquiries and to have that discussion. And I don't know, it also is very much about developing your imagination. Certainly in the Waldorf school system, that's almost exclusively what it's about. But as a biodynamic- It was.

Yeah, that's true. No knock, but- No, we're no longer enrolled in our Waldorf school. Same with Paul, same with us, just for the fact that they, you know, the why, and I've spoken about this before, I don't want to derail, but, you know, we signed, we all had to sign a piece of paper that said, you're not going to, you're going to limit screen time.

Right. Because at this age, it's super important. They don't have that. So they develop imagination. Yeah. So they get creative play. And a lot of that happens in boredom. It happens with closing your eyes and thinking of something. It happens with like, there's three of us that don't know what we're going to do today,

but we're going to use our imagination and this stick and a rock to figure out a game. But the second you engage with a screen, you're hyper-engaged. You have all the right science that goes into our frankenfoods goes into TV. So they know how to keep you hooked. And then that just takes all the bandwidth of what you would use to create. Also, are you familiar with Open Focus Brain, Les Femi's work? Open Focus Brain is the name of his book

and Open Focus Meditation is the style of meditation. It's all about open focus, like the lion is resting and looking at the entire herd and looking at the entire landscape. Narrow focus, the lion sees the limping one in the back and his eyebrows furrow and his nose, you know, he points at the thing and his adrenaline starts pumping.

He's about to go attack the thing. So our whole life nowadays is pulling us into narrow focus on these screens, on these books, on the know the phones etc and so open focus is something that you could take into your daily life once you start practicing you do it with your eyes open it's just about taking in the whole room um and uh yeah so it just the idea that you would be spending your whole day in narrow focus on a screen is pretty, you know. And for kids. I mean, for adults, like, yeah.

I mean, if that's the only way you got to pay the bills, that's one way, hopefully, utilize the prostitute archetype correctly and navigate that to better spaces. But yeah, that's why we ended up leaving that behind. You could check out Open Focus Brain, though, if you do have to do that for your work, you know, because you could be taking in the background. It's sort of like when you look at the page and everyone focuses on the letters. Alan Watts talks about this,

but you need the space around it too, otherwise the letters are meaningless. So it's just about taking in the background and the periphery without letting yourself sort of be so narrow in your focus. And it has a lot of physiological benefits. Actually, we offer uh in open focus inspired facial relaxation to anyone who buys one of our products um we'll we offer a facetime where

you can talk to us about the products talk to us about the farm and and have a little open focus type i'm not trained in it or anything but it's something we do in our regular life and we just share with people who are interested. Very cool. Well, let's dive into that. Let's dive into what you guys started creating. I was going to give you one specific example of how a biodynamic farmer would use his imagination to farm. Do you want to hear that? Yeah, please.

Because I'm just trying to see if i can answer your question better but um basically like one exercise that has come out of biodynamics is um i don't know if there's a specific name for this but paul has taught me a type of imagining called vantage point meditation um which is very similar and that involves one of the sort of stabilizing exercises to get into that was to like people have probably imagined themselves walking into a cave and sort of picturing that and eventually you get into the cave and there's a well with water in it and the first step is imagining the water on the surface of the well going from turbulent to calm, clear water that you can see into. Once you've stabilized the image in your head of it being clear, like lucid water,

you let something rise up in the water, whatever the image or the symbol is, and then you take that into your journaling. So in biodynamics, you can imagine the life process. Like, let's say you want to work on something. What's something you want to work on in. What's something you want to work on in your garden? If you had one active and now you're like, my carrots aren't growing. My carrots never grow well. Okay. Yeah. Well, I was going to say, I got apple trees that aren't doing well.

All right. So if you're thinking about the apple, you kind of go through the imagination of the entire process of the apple from seed to little tree to leafing to how its fruit starts to form till it's finished fruit to maybe even it, you know, rotting to the ground and that process starting over. You go through this process in your mind with as much detail as possible. And then you reverse that process in your mind backwards in as much detail as possible to silence. You take it back into silence. You go to bed. That's the entire exercise.

You do that a couple days in a row. Basically what's happening as you sort of take this process forwards and backwards into silence and then go to sleep where you enter the astral realm where these living beings exist the sort of godfathers and devas of the apple you know um so in that's where the question goes it sort of goes to the other side and you wake up in the morning you may or may not have a thought about it and you do this a couple times in a row and essentially

it's like asking a question like hey i think it's like this and then the apple trees say back to you no actually it's more like this like you'll think of something you don't even know where the thought will come from you'll think of something you could walk into a branch and it hits you on the head and then you're underneath it and you're looking at it and you're like, oh, that's how it does it. And so it's about the fact that these physical things that we see in front of us are not the actual life process itself. It's a physical representation.

It's one representative of an entire species which exists and evolves over time but the living aspect of it exists in the non-physical you don't see it and so that's sort of maybe if that came through at all with any clarity that's an example of how somebody might have a question they have in the field, take it inside themselves into their imagination where they can interact with the aspects of nature that are alive in themselves as well. And it's like a nonverbal communication where it just sort of occurs to you is how it seems to you in real time but really you've gone through that process of of having a conversation with uh with whatever it is that's phenomenal it's

making me think of uh of water and spirit by maladoma patrice somay when uh he's a west african uh shaman for lack of a better term but he he uh he talked about his rite of passage. They would sit in front of this very specific tree naked in the blistering heat of the summertime for as long as it took until they could begin to see the spirit of that tree step forward and communicate. If you haven't had ayahuasca or something like that, that might be hard to imagine, but having had those experiences firsthand where I've been in communication with trees in real time, you know, and understanding that whatever soul I have, whatever's animating me is inherently in all things. It's so funny that you said that because that's the goddamn answer to your question is that biodynamics is a version of that. It's the ayahuasca.

It's the ancient mystery schools it's a ritual and ceremonies and a process to which you can see beyond the veil uh and then how to use your human mind as the lens through which that side can be manifested you know in in this side meaning like if you take into your farming practice the idea that I am working this field or crop or whatever as the moon is descending and as it's a new moon and as the moon is in front of this constellation which according to the charts has this effect I I've now sort of taken the, let's say, consciousness of the entire system into my sort of impulse of shoveling this pile of dirt in the ground.

I'm doing it with the conjunction of these other things happening. And so that's one of the main aspects of Steiner's work is that you're replacing the need for force, like the fucking dynamite that is his conventional fertilizer with the awareness of rhythm. So these rhythms are occurring and the dynamite guy doesn't need to worry about it

because he's going to blow through that rhythm regardless with his force. But in our case, without the dynamite underneath each plant, we can be aware of these rhythms that exist and then we can do our work in harmony with them to an amplifying effect. Like, you know, like, like when sound waves kind of line up. So yeah. That's phenomenal, brother. Yeah. You just got, you had so much, so much pumping through me right now with the excitement of, of what we get to take part of. Talk a bit about the products that you've created. You're out here for the Runga event with Ben Greenfield and Joe DiStefano.

No, no, no. That was, I was celebrating. I was like, wait, what? I was celebrating. Oh, yeah. Woot woot. I was like, wait, what? I was like, oh, do we got to edit that out? No, no, no, no. The top secret Roonga event. Yeah.

Break down what you guys are creating, you know, and really what you're bringing to the table. I had, I think I brought home some of your facial serum and gave it to my wife and never saw it again. And then thankfully you emailed me some and I said, this is going upstairs. Bear and I will share it, but I got to have my own here just to make sure I get a chance to use it. That's not uncommon. That's not uncommon. These bottles disappear amongst family members all the time. Moms, daughters, sons, they covet them from

each other. So inner family drama around the serum is not uncommon. So basically we were, like I said, developing a hospitality experience. The sort of, the gist of that when you came to us is we were going to be trying to do as much of what we could on site as possible. So all the meals, all the amenities in your room, the snacks, the drinks, the tea, everything, all the spa products, different gifts that you could buy,

stuff like that. We were going to try to make a whole bunch of stuff. After the fires, we realized we wouldn't be moving forward with the hotel, and yet we had created all those things because we wouldn't be able to just turn on that magic on day one one day. We've been developing the farm for years in anticipation of that project. And so the whole model just reversed on that magic on day one one day we've been developing the farm for years in anticipation

of that project and so the whole model just reversed on a ted last september when when the fires came we now create these products to send them out to people as opposed to people come to us to enjoy these products which was why they were originally created why at a deeper sense is because when you're growing these things they're very ephemeral you know it doesn't even matter if it's like a let's say a sweet potato which lasts many months or a leaf of lettuce which lasts a few days or whatever like they're still pretty short-lived and some flowers just last a couple days they appear and they're gone um so it's sort of an ancient problem like how do we capture the season how do we capture these things except for the one day that they're available or

whatever um and so they're we're basically engaging in a folk tradition of capturing the season and this is this being a folk tradition crosses the boundaries between industries and classifications. Meaning like, I don't know if some of our products are edible, medicinal, topical, or food or medicine. Like I don't really know because that's not how we interrelate with them. And we don't really have the same lens

that the FDA has on what is food and medicine. So we're putting out a vinegar drink next week, which people have been drinking for its health benefits forever and ever and ever, but it's a food. We're selling it as a food. So basically the products that we create are a reflection of our relationship with the place and the season. So our signature product and part of the reason why it's our signature offering is because the other ones all burned down. So it's like, it is possible. This is the one everyone likes. It was that and the reason why it evacuated with us for that reason. You know what I mean? So basically five hours before the fire,

there was a fire in a town over, let's say. So very smoky, obviously fires on our mind, but there was no danger or reason to believe that we were going to have a fire on our property. It was a town or two over. We were about to launch our serum, the Summer Solstice serum, for the first time not on the farm. Right after the fires, basically,

we were now, mid-October, so a month after the fires, we were going to be launching the serum on sunpotion.com. I don't know if you're familiar with the Sun Potion brand, but Scott Lindy is a guy I would love to hear you guys talk. I'll connect you two, but he's the founder of that brand. They sell like the, the, they have the

dark glass with the gold label. Exactly. I've had their Makuna. Yeah. Yeah. They're fucking awesome company. I always buy their stuff. There's a few stores in Sedona and we go every year for fit for service and I always get, get loaded up on their stuff. They're phenomenal. He's going to be at Runga as well and he's a good friend of mine. And so he offered, encouraged that we should launch the serum on his website. And so the serum, I knew that was happening and it was the day of the fires.

And obviously I didn't know the fire was going to come, but I had five out of the last five years been evacuated in the month of October. And so I thought, it might happen. And if it happened, they wouldn't let us back to the farm. The highway patrol kind of block off the whole mountain. There's one road in from both sides. And I was just terrified that we were going to miss the launch.

Then it was going to be Black Friday, it was going to be Christmas launch. Then it was going to be like Black Friday. It was going to be Christmas. We were just never going to be able to launch with these guys. And so by myself on a Sunday with a respirator on because of the smoke, I went outside, and I loaded up hundreds of pounds of our botanical-infused oils and glass jars and wooden crates into our family RV because I needed them to be mobile, knowing that in a real

evacuation, I or certainly my wife never would have let me go load up those oils. And I did that for about three hours. I came back inside and about 45 minutes later, we got a phone call to get the F off the mountain immediately. And we went outside, sky was red, there was fires everywhere, and the oils were in the RV already. We hopped in the RV with our daughter and our two dogs, and we left. And so this whole year, we've now been in exile, basically, from the farm,

displaced, I should say, maybe not exile. And we've been like Johnny Appleseed in the serum all around the country bringing it everywhere we go getting into beautiful retail shops beautiful hotels all sorts of amazing partnerships and the energy leading up to the fire was like it was always a grind to get everything done it was so hard and ever since then yes the fire has brought a lot of hardship but it's been very smooth everybody's been receptive hardship, but it's been very smooth. Everybody's been receptive and open

and it's almost like as if they're waiting for the serum. I've been waiting for something. I've been looking for biodynamic, whatever it is. The energy has been the exact opposite of the first 10 years. So we make the products in an extremely interesting way, I would say. Not only do we grow all the ingredients in some of the ways we've been describing, but we don't use any machinery.

In the farm, we don't have a machine. We don't have a tractor. And in the lab where we make the products, we don't have any equipment. So we do a solar and lunar infusion with the oils, which means we grow the products. We submerge them into olive oil. We place them in a glass hut in the center of the oils, which means we grow the products, we submerge them into olive oil, we place them in a glass hut in the center of the farm, and we leave it there for one moon cycle.

And the daytime and the nighttime revolving around the bottles is the only force of action that gets applied to the serum at any time. It naturally unwinds itself from the heating and cooling, pulsing back and forth. And then we cold press it by hand, blend it and share it with people. That's the entire process.

There's nothing added to it. It's never been denatured. So it doesn't have to be preserved or glued back together or homogenized or anything. It's just a raw, beyond extra premium olive oil infused with the botanicals and the sunshine and the moonshine. That's phenomenal. And this primarily is for skincare, uh, looks, you know, helping with wrinkles, these kinds of things. Well, yeah, I mean, it's, it's not really like

the sort of the, the skincare market is about like wrinkles and anti-aging and this and that, and that's not really our game. And it's also all about specifically formulated products, which have hyaluronic acid and this and that. Okay, these are lab-derived ingredients that are the exact opposite of what we're doing, which is like a whole plant sort of entourage effect. We're approaching it from self-care, preventative sort of general well-being.

So we use these products because we don't draw the line really between our skin and our mouths. We're just feeding the body inside and outside with whole foods and we're nourishing ourselves from head to toe. So we make teas for our hair. We make products for our entire body. And this one, we sell it as a face serum because all the effort that goes into it means the products are rather expensive. The face serum is $1.60 for the bottle, for a one-ounce bottle. People pretty much exclusively use it on their face because it would cost a lot to put it on your whole body.

My daughter, who has access to large amounts of the serum, puts it everywhere. Our clients from across the country have reached out with probably somewhere between 50 and 100 uses, ranging from normal to bizarre, ranging from appropriate to inappropriate. I was going to say, for the first place,

my mind went lube. All over the place. Toe infections, lube, rosace over the place toe infections lube rosacea eczema you know babies elderly just limitless my brother uses it before he shaves and after he shaves um we use it in dozens head that's the first place that i'm putting it absolutely yeah before and after i mean we use it before the sun and after the sun. I haven't put on sunscreen in probably eight years. I haven't washed my face with anything besides putting on our serum in probably five years.

Wow. Oh, yeah. So the serum can be used in a variety of ways beyond just putting it on. So maybe if you're thinking, well, that sounds kind of dirty. But you can clean yourself with the serum by doing a five-minute or a 10-minute, very small circles on your face with the oil on. It's called an oil cleanse.

And then you just wipe it off with a damp cloth. Or this weekend at the Commodore Perry Estate here in Austin, we're leading a group of people where we'll put the serum and some hydrosols that we distill and some of Scott's sun potion products all together in a big bowl, make a face mask and paint it on. And so that's based off of the serum as well. Very cleansing, detoxifying, nourishing. There'll be honey in it, aloe. So yeah, I mean, I'm not saying

this is an anti-aging wrinkle, this, that. I mean, I don't even think of myself in the skincare industry. We're a biodynamic farm. We love this lifestyle. We are producing high quality products that are coming right off the farm that have been captured in whatever way we can. Usually that's in honey. Sometimes it's in oil.

Sometimes it's in vinegar. Sometimes we distill things. And had it not been for the fires, we'd have a whole collection of products, which we will actually within the next month or two. It's been a year now, so we've been able to regrow and remake our entire collection. And we have a variety of products coming out,

the body salad, the cover crop, all super exciting things, which mean nothing to you or these people right now. But in a month or two, hopefully people will be able to check them out. The body salad, the cover crop, all super exciting things, which mean nothing to you or these people right now. But in a month or two, hopefully people will be able to check them out. And they are really celebrations of the season too, because we're growing these things and they only grow at very specific times. The summer solstice serum is named that because the main ingredient is wild. It's wild St. John's wort and it grows for two weeks on either side of the summer solstice. So we have to forage across our 300 acre property for weeks just to find enough flowers to even make this product in the first place. And we can only make it right then because it has to be made fresh and it has to be made with that amount of sun angle. If we tried to make it in the winter,

it just wouldn't work. There wouldn't be enough sun angle. So of course we could take it inside and make it on a machine like is commonly done, but be a little bit different. That's phenomenal, brother. That's so phenomenal. It really feels like all of the heart and soul that you've put into the land. Now you get to take a piece of that and share that with us. And I might be doubly excited because the fact that I get to engage with that for the first time in my life. My wife grew up on a farm outside of Vegas and, you know, had animals and different plants and, you know, was far from biodynamic. But she's super thrilled and I'm just thrilled. It's like this is my first journey really into that.

And it's a beautiful thing to see your passion in a bottle, you know, like you can bring all the work and all the trials and tribulations into something that not only is healthy for us and makes us look good, but it makes us feel good. It's so close to being there. I can't even really explain it to people. You're just missing the actual physical you being in that location. But it has not in any way been denatured. It's almost as if a bottle was held above the farm and just kind of picked up some stuff and brought it to you. There's been so little that we've done to it. We've just created the space for it to occur.

You know what I mean? And it's arising naturally. That St. John's Wort was growing there before I moved there. That's one of the things about biodynamics is that the farm or the place has its own individuality. It's a personality like a person. So the farm wants to be making this serum.

That's why it's grown the St. John's word. And that's why I planted these dreams in my head and told me to come move there. So it's all, I mean, I'm trying to let, let this pass through me to our,

we used to consider them guests because they were coming to us. So it feels weird to call them clients, which is probably more appropriate now. I was about to say to our guests, for the people who buy our products in my mind. I'm excited to stay there with the serum, brother. Yeah, exactly. It's been excellent having you on where can people find you and where can people purchase this amazing stuff

so we are it depends on what city you're in we're in a bunch of really cool retail partners but the easiest way online is on Sun Potion's website and then on capbeauty.com which is another amazing website but you can find us on Instagram

at Be Here Farm and you can email us on Instagram at be here farm. And, um, you could email me whenever you want at love at be here, farm.com. And I would love to talk to you about our products and our farm. And that invitation goes out to everyone who buys a product to just connect with us and talk. And, um, we love doing that. Phenomenal brother. Thank you so much for coming on. No, thank you for having me. you