Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #227 Dr Nathan Riley

Episode Date: November 18, 2021

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We're back. We're back. We're back. We're back. And we're back with Dr. Nathan Riley. Dr. Nathan Riley, I think I mentioned on this podcast, is like a young Zach Bush. Nobody's quite Zach Bush and nobody's quite Dr. Nathan Riley. So even though it's a flattering way of putting it, I think I drew that context because of the fact that Dr. Nathan Riley is an OBGYN as well as a hospice care doctor. And even though we didn't get into this story on this podcast, one I will link to in the show notes is a podcast that Dr. Nathan Riley did with Charles Eisenstein, who's coming on the show next month. And many of you have heard me talk about Charles as just one of the most amazing people on the planet. Dr. Nathan Reilly is as well.

On that podcast, he told a pretty significant story of delivering a baby and ushering someone into or through the death portal all in 24 hours. So pretty remarkable stuff. Again, he doesn't get into that on this, but we get into a lot of amazing stuff on this podcast. In short order, I have really become close with Dr. Nathan Riley. I got to hang with him first out at Paul Cech's 60th birthday. Many have heard my referencing to him through my meeting of Jared Picard, who was on last week.

And yeah, just a fantastic, fantastic and amazing soul brother, who again is kind of like the God nod, the God head nod, where I get connected to somebody like this and I'm like, fuck yeah, I get to go through life with this dude in my life. And y'all do too now, because you're going to get a chance to really understand who he

is and, um, just the amazing medicine he's bringing to the table. Um, yeah, I'll leave it right there. He's just a fantastic dude. This is such a great podcast and I'm super thrilled and I'm going to have him back on many, many, many times for sure. Um, and a great reference point, you know, he's really had, um, a fairly down the line, uh, approach to all of the stuff, the events in the world and, but, but clearly sees it, you know, um, there's nothing that, uh, I talk about, um, that really is, is out of his frame of understanding, but he has a very gentle way of approaching it. And I love that and appreciate that. I had some bee medicine, Alison Charles, and I just recorded yesterday. She wrote a book called Power Animals, and it's all on how spirit animals interact with us and uh for probably the

last four years the honeybee uh of all creatures on the planet has been one that has been really speaking to me and um I have no idea why I'm fucking bringing that up right now but any oh I do know right before that podcast the bee was in my car and uh it was before the Adam Chin podcast and uh this bee came in and and the message at the stoplight was be sweeter. And I was like, ah, okay. And I know that's a pun. Um, don't, I don't intend it that way, but that certainly was, uh, resonant with me to be sweeter in my approach to conveying these messages. Uh, obviously this is coming in lieu of the the Red Pill Solo podcast, but I bring that up now because Dr. Nathan Reilly has a sweetness and he has a way of conveying his wealth of knowledge

that I think is really palatable for a lot of people and necessary. Because, you know, especially when we're talking about some of the world events that are a little bit darker, it's just hard to take in if you sound like a pro wrestler, you know, there's just no two ways about that. And I can imagine at least a few people who have been spot on, um, in their discussing of the world events and, you know, part and parcel of the, of the issue that a lot of people have with them is how they say it. It's how they get it across. So thank you. Another, another, another God nod from the bee honeybee, which has been definitely my most prominent power animal in the last four years. So all that to say this episode is fantastic. Dr. Nathan Riley is fantastic. And you're going to be hearing a lot

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So it's, yeah, it's fucking awesome. But you're in town for the Runga event, which is Ben Greenfield's event, right? Ben Greenfield and Joe DiStefano. That's right. He's the Spartan or the… So Joe, I think, has his own coaching business. And this is, this event is. But didn't he start one of those racing things?

No, no, no. That's Joe, not Joe DiStefano. It's what's his name? The Spartan guy. It's Joe something or other. Okay. Okay. But Joe DiStefano, he's got like a holistic lifestyle coaching business, I think.

And then he partnered with Ben Greenfield and some other sort of, you know, people in that space who were, you know, they're offering this big retreat, three-day retreat out there. And so it's a good reason to come out here. And you were hanging with Josh Trent yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Josh and Kerry put me up. Yeah. I met them because they needed some help with their birth.

They had a baby boy a couple months ago. And so Sarah had recommended Josh reach out. put me up. Yeah. I met them because they needed some help with their, with their, their birth, a baby boy a couple months ago. And so Sarah had recommended Josh reach out and, um, I was on the phone with them while they were in the hospital and kind of advocating for them and helping them kind of suss out some decision-making. I'll let them share their story, but yeah, I'm sure I'll have them both on at some point. That was a rough ride for them. It was a rough, rougher than they were hoping for. And I just so happened to be so invested in the birth space and having left like the conventional model, I know how to navigate the hospital system better than anybody. So, so while I'm a huge home birth advocate, when somebody ends up in the hospital, like they did, it's like, okay, let's take a step back and let's actually look at what they're recommending. Are these interventions necessary? What's the

absolute risk, not the relative risk, but the absolute risk of this bad thing happening. That's looming over your head and that they're using to, for lack of better terms, kind of coerce you into do certain things in order to cover their, their ass, you know? So that, I mean, that's kind of the crux of what I do. Well, let's start there. Let's dive into that. What did you get into first? Because I know, you know, you have a fantastic, and I'll link to this in the show notes too.

We'll probably have some overlay with it, but another great place for people to listen. And if you want more as a podcast, you recently did with Charles Eisenstein. Yeah. And it's funny, the synchronicities. He's finally coming on this podcast, I think in a couple of weeks. Oh, right on couple of weeks remotely. But yeah, the podcast was brilliant. One of the things you talked about was how Dr. Zach Bush, who's been on the show, is kind of a mentor from

afar and how you have learned so much from him because of your work, not only as an OBGYN, but also in hospice care. So talk So talk about your, you know, what drove you into medicine and obviously how did you land in both of those aspects? Because that is fairly unique as far as I know. Maybe it's not, but. No, I got a lot of shit for that over the years because if you're working in the conventional medical model, so the way it works is when you're 18,

they say, what do you want to be when you grow up, right? And you say, I guess I want to be a doctor because if you're, you know, if your, your family is at least middle-class, you can afford to do college. And then the other stuff that comes later and you're good at the sciences, like I was in all the advanced chemistry and physics and all that stuff. So it was like a natural, like, Hey, if you're smart, you go and be a doctor. It was just, I don't know. It was part of my view of the world. And then you go through four years of, I went through five years of college and then you do the med school thing and then you have to specialize and then you subspecialize. And so you get through that whole thing and then you look back and for me, it was

like, man, that was weird. Like that's not really what I thought I was going to be doing. And what drew me into OBG, into the OBGYN training was really the magic of birth. It was this thing that I had absolutely no concept of. And even the person who's giving birth has no concept of it. It was this magical sacred thing. And I know you as a dad, you've been through that. It is, if you're willing to like sit back and really hold space for that, there's something magical there. And for me, it's like, let me find the thing that I know the least about.

And that's the thing I want to become an expert in. So as a man, I'm never going to go through birth myself. And there's some magical mystery tour that seeing birth kind of took me on as an intellectual, but also as a man and as a husband and everything else. So yeah, no matter what emojis they come up with next, it's absolutely biologically impossible for you to give birth. Sorry, spoiler alert. I won't ever do that. Yeah. Yeah. My penis isn't big enough to accommodate what's going to be coming through into the world. Um, so, you know, you get into that, that practice, like they call it the practice of

medicine. Cause you're, you're just like, I mean, med school is like a textbook, the biggest textbook you can imagine every two weeks. Like we go through so much material and we understand so much about the human body and all this. And then when you try to apply that in birth, you realize like everything I'm doing is actually messing things up. You know, it's sort of like with the vaccine conversation, it's like, why would we take a perfectly healthy person and jab something into their arm that could potentially have some downstream consequence? Like when you start mucking with nature, you get into trouble. And, uh, and I know that, you know, when I've listened to Zach Bush talk, he doesn't, I don't even know him. Like we've never met, but when I listened to him speak, he's actually, he actually touches on some of those things that you have to start.

If you're present with it, you start questioning that in medicine because what we do is we take this perfectly physiologic process, whether it's in birth or anything else, and we start mucking around and you, you inevitably create problems that were unforeseen. And then you go back and try to fix those problems you created. And it ends up in this giant cosmic game of whack-a-mole. Yeah. Check has a beautiful illustration of that and how to eat, move and be healthy where you're,

it's a billiard game, right? And you're trying to knock the eight ball into the corner pocket off the, the break. Right. And you're, you're, you think that all the other balls are going to magically go into,

that's an awesome, right? Yeah. It's like, no, no, no. You don't know where the fuck anything's going.

You don't know what the other, you know, like it's, and it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's hand drawn, you know what I'm saying? So it's like cartoonish, but it's like, it's such, it's one that grabs you immediately. Absolutely. Because it's undeniable. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's exactly right.

So, you know, you train with midwives, the midwifery care model is kind of where I'm at now is it's like, if we want to really support changing maternity care, like we have to get midwives to be front and center because they just hold space for the process and they only get in and get muck, you know, start mucking around if absolutely necessary to meet the goal of the patient and their partner in the baby. So, so, you know, you're doing all this training, you're like 100 hours a week, you're doing OBGYN stuff and that's birth, it's GYN surgery, it's, it's reading imaging, it's ordering labs, it's treating with antibiotics, it's doing all that stuff and, and never really seeing outcomes change. Like you're not really seeing anything improve. So why are we

doing all this stuff? You know, it's expensive, it's time consuming, it's inconvenient for the patients. Why can't we just take a step back and actually think a little bit more, you know, use, use our experience and, and try to put together a new paradigm as to how to, to keep people healthy, you know, as opposed to mucking around with something that already works only to have to fix that problem later and then call yourself a hero. I mean, that's really what a lot of medicine is. So, so then after OBGYN training and I realized, man, we're like, we're mucking around with things that don't need to be mucked around. Then I experienced the loss of my father, which actually was in medical school, but it stuck with me in a way that as you're the death of your father does, but it stuck with me because I realized, oh my gosh,

up until the very moment that he passed, they were trying to fix his cancer. You know, so there's a part of the human experience, which is coming to terms with your own mortality, right? And that actually happens in birth. If you talk to a woman about what did you experience, it's a full-blown psychedelic journey. They step through this portal. There's this transformation of spirit and they, they emerge with a new skin, with a new embodiment. And you as the dad are also this new embodiment and the embodiment of your relationship is brand new. And of course there's this baby that's now a part of that whole mix, you know? And so when we start to approach the end of life, we're actually faced with a very, very similar, it's a confrontation with your own mortality,

of course. And you may have never even had to experience that, especially as a man, because you haven't given birth. But apart from like near-death experiences, what prepares us for that process? And again, just like with birth, we start applying all these external forces to try to control something. This is what, you know, Charles Eisenstein, I think, elaborates so clearly in all of his books. I'm rereading The More Beautiful World, Our Hearts Know It's Possible right now. And, you know, he talks about this tendency we have to try to control everything,

to try to quantify everything and reduce it all to a set of numbers, whether it's climate change, whether it's human health or whatever, it hasn't served us and it will never serve us. But we love to think that if we can reduce something to numbers, that we can control everything. Well, I have bad news for everybody. When you get pregnant, that baby's coming out one way or the other. And there's a lot of unquantifiable parts of it. And the same goes for the end of life. And so what I saw, what I started seeing in my OBGYN training was that when something bad happens, we try to find the cause and then fix the cause of that bad thing happening. And in the process, just like with the billiards example,

the balls are going everywhere. All those other colors are bouncing off the walls. And our only goal is getting that eight ball in the pocket. So the way that this manifests in birth and in death is that we start getting our hands in there, trying to fix this thing over here, not realizing we're knocking over all this other stuff. It's like a bull in a china shop.

And at end of life, the way that this manifests is we are not willing to accept that a person is going to die until we've tried everything and we've gone broke in the process, meaning you're going to be on a ventilator. You're going to be on medicines that artificially elevate your blood pressure. You're going to be on continuous dialysis, meaning you're in multi-organ failure. Your skin's breaking down. Nature is winning and we are not going to let you go. And only after we've done all those things are we willing to say, well, we tried everything.

He's a goner. And then somebody dies, you know, lifelessly on a machine until their heart stops, you know, because somebody had to quote, pull the plug. And then they feel guilty because they, they're the ones that signed them where he died. Yeah, right, right. Exactly. And I mean, so in my hospice work, the, you know, that type of conversation has really started to inform my OBGYN work because it's like, listen, we can go in and muck around to try to get that one thing to go the way that we think it should go in birth. In the meantime, we're destroying everything else around us. So a nice example would be, we have to do a C-section right now

or your baby's going to die. And the patient might say, well, I don't know if I really want to do that. What are the risks and benefits? The risks are your baby dies. So there it is. We found the source of our pain is a dead baby. And of course, nobody wants that to happen. That's a tragic thing to happen in birth. But then we strap her down to an operating room table. We cover her face with a blue sheet.

We separate her from her baby as soon as the baby's out. We don't even put the baby on her chest often. Everybody's talking to her like she's some sort of object, like a car that has parts that need to be replaced. And in the meantime, this baby who was inside her belly this whole time, nine, 10 months, is now separate from, sometimes can't even hear them crying

because there's so much chatter in the room. Nobody's really engaged in the sacred process anymore. And how does that affect the maternal neonatal bonding? So, you know, before we started recording, we were talking about these generations of kids and our kids are in this generation that is going to have to kind of clean up a lot of the stuff we see in the world. Well, well, how is, how is that child's engagement with the world going to go for the next 90 years of their life if it started off with isolation and separation from their mother? Now, that's not to say we shouldn't be doing C-sections. The problem is that we fail to realize that there are more than just these objectifiable, quantifiable metrics.

Yeah. And to the point on that, I was blown blown away. We had, we had bear at Stanford and at the time it was awesome. In California, it would have been more expensive to do a home birth than to go to Stanford with our insurance. So it was like, let's just go do it at Stanford. It's our first birth. We'll make sure we're, you know, just in case, right. We're healthy people, but just in case. And we had a good doctor who really went to bat for us for a natural birth. She gave birth naturally. And I mean, we're there at 10 p.m. at 1102,

right when the doctor showed up, she pushed him out. Super easy. Wolf was born at home with a midwife and I caught her and it was fucking like nothing else. When my sister had her firstborn, I was there and it was at Kaiser. And I was really like adamant, you know, about the C-section stuff. And when I talked to the people there, they said,

well, we have the lowest C-section rate in the nation. And you already know this info, but I was like, interesting. Why is that? And it's because they have their own insurance. So they can't, you don't get to bill someone else for that. That's on them to run that procedure. That's why they have the lowest fucking rate. Right. Yeah. So that was just like a fucking head scratcher. And she was very close to getting a C-section. I had a,

it was a very intimate and bonding experience for us. I'm right there with my brother-in-law and we were forcing her legs to her chest, like a, like a leg press, you know, and I'm just right there next to her ear saying, push, push, push.

And they had the suction guy on them and finally got him to come out, my little mason man. First nephew. So that was just a different thing there. But that procedure, there is money attached to that. That has to be a part of the conversation. Antibiotics can fucking save lives. there is a money attached to that. Yeah. Right? Like that has to be a part of the conversation. Right. Antibiotics can fucking save lives.

You know, like if I've had MRSA once. That's nasty. You know, with the nasty, you know, I got it in jujitsu only one time because my immune system was low. I was running. I was sick anyways. And then I got it. I could feel it in my bones.

The moment it was on my skin, I could feel the nerves in my bones aching from it. I needed antibiotic, big time antibiotics for that, right? Yeah. I probably didn't need antibiotics every two months as a kid for any little fucking cold that I got. But I did get those antibiotics for probably 10 years. Same thing with Aubrey. They gave him fucking chewables. Oh yeah. Right. So, so is it, you know, you can't paint with a broad brush and say like, Hey, these are fucking bad. They're not bad. They save lives. They're incredible. But are we overusing this? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And it's not just C-sections or antibiotics. It's,

it's fucking all the things, right? All the things. Yeah. Yeah. And in the meantime, nobody within the medical system is trained or incentivized to provide lifestyle medicine. You know? So what, you know, so when I, when I hang out with you, like we live a pretty healthy life, you and I do, and there's just this way of being where you put nutrients in, you move, you sleep, you just take care of yourself. That's not the information that we're actually giving in the medical system. And we all know this. This is not like, I'm like pulling the curtain back. We all know this, but we don't have, we don't seem to have an answer to it

because the insurance payer system doesn't really support that. It's really like, Hey, you as a doctor, you actually work for an insurance company. The insurance company says, we're going to pay you to do your job based on this fee schedule. That's how, that's how health insurance and the medical system works. If I were to say, well, listen, insurance company, here's what I've done. I talked to them about, you know, Paul Chek's six principles, you know, sleep, nutrition, diet, sleep, nutrition, thoughts, breathing, et cetera. Yeah. Hydration. And well, this, and they'll say, well, what else did you do? Well, that's all I did. Cause I, you know, I think that we could support them to not need antibiotics or not need surgery

or not need pharmaceuticals or hormonal contraception or whatever if we do these things. Well, we didn't contract for you to do that. We contracted with you to do these other things. So even the most open-minded doctors are doing that stuff on the side. I mean, they're doing it because they know that it works and they care about you as a person, but there's no incentive to do that. And so, um, so when, when, when I say, Hey, we're over utilizing medical resources, that's all that I mean. I don't mean that we shouldn't have hospitals that we shouldn't have operating rooms because heaven forbid, you know, you're in a car accident. You've got like

a metal thing stuck in your head. You probably would want a surgeon to take care of that. We're not going to use lifestyle medicine for that. But are we utilizing it? I'm not going to pray away my labrum tear, you know? Yeah, right. Here, smoke this tobacco. You just need to get it smudging with some white sage and your shoulder will heal up. Yeah. My shoulder was sliding out of the socket every time I'd throw a right-handed punch from tearing it with a barbell snatch. Bad exercise. I'm not a fan of it. Kettlebell snatch is much better.

I agree. And surgery fixed my shoulder. Well, it helped it. And then Dr. Kelly Sturette's work allowed me to get my mobility back, right? So there's so many references on what Western medicine is good for, but it should be painfully obvious that it is not preventative medicine.

It never was, and it never will be. And really where that argument comes to its head is in preventing disease and virus outbreaks, right? Are we preventing something? Is preventative medicine necessary with a shot in the arm? Or do we boost our own health and immunity by being outside, by listening to the last four doctors we'll ever need and taking care of ourselves so that when we get a cold, we fucking survive it just like any other cold and we move about our day after that. Yeah. Like that's what this argument should boil down to that, right?

It's not the narrative. It is not the narrative. I mean, Fauci, you know, after six months finally was like, oh yeah, of course, you know, you want vitamin D3 and zinc. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. That's just common knowledge, right? No, no.

Nobody on the news was talking about that. Nobody else had been talking about that. Nobody's been talking about liposomal vitamin C or intravenous vitamin C or any of these things until there's been such a loud uproar from intelligent, healthy people that know this shit works and there's enough data points that say if your vitamin D3 levels are high enough, you don't die.

You just don't die. Hey, wait a minute. If I have enough vitamin D3, I won't die. That's pretty fucking important. Don't you think that should be like on every fucking news station known to man? And that's enough to make you scratch your head. It should be. Yeah, because you're right. You're right. And the reason that it should be forcing people to scratch their heads is not even aside from any sort of conspiracy theory. Why on earth is a person who hasn't exercised for the last five years, who probably gets most of their food

processed, but you know, from one of those, those, uh, necessary, you know, companies, there's a lot to stay open. Like, I don't know, McDonald's or Arby's or something like that. They've been eating that way. They've been making excuses. And there's a lot of good excuses for why you don't, you know, you're not an Ironman distance triathlete or that you're not a, you know, jacked like you are like, there's good reason for that. But if you've been eating like crap, you aren't sleeping. You're just like, you know, medicating every night with alcohol and you're, and you're living that typical American life. And now you have a mask on, you're actually going to accuse me or anybody else who's not doing

what's right. Well, Hey, listen, I've been doing what's right for the last 36 years. I've been like super focused on how I move and what I eat and how, you know, what type of water I drink. Like I've been doing all of those things from the very, very beginning of my life. I don't know what it was, but something inspired me in high school to really start looking at food labels and everything else. Now that maybe there's some privilege there. Maybe there's some luxury or whatever, but the bottom line is I am not going to die of a viral illness, period. And you, neither are you, and neither are most of the people we hang out with. And for somebody to come to me and say, shame on you, you're not doing what's right. It's like, I am using less healthcare dollars than anybody else because I've actually been caring for myself.

I haven't ever been to the doctor. I've never had to go. So when you say that I'm not doing the right thing, what do you actually mean by that? Because if you were healthier, then you wouldn't even have to worry about a viral illness. But unfortunately, you know, when 40 to 50% of our nation is obese and then the guy from sweet greens over in LA, I don't know if you saw this story, but he came out and spoke about it. He was like, Hey, um, you know, has anybody noticed that most of the people that are dying from this are overweight, right? Like we have this idea that obesity, you know, must be that you can't fit into your, you know, a plane seat or something like that. But our definition of obesity in the United States is way off the charts. We have these parameters that are like, Hey, if you were in most European countries, you would be

considered obese, but because you're in the United States, your normal weight, you know? So sweet greens, this guy, the CEO, I think he was, he had said something on Facebook or Twitter and was like, hey, has anybody noticed that a lot of- Cancel, cancel, cancel. All these obese people seem to be the ones getting sick. And somebody was like, you're just saying that because you're peddling your product. And he's like, I mean, I'm putting words now into his mouth, but I would be thinking like, yeah, I'm peddling my product.

I have a company that makes salads and makes delicious, healthy food for people. Yes, I'm profiteering off of people wanting to get healthier, right? And that's no different from, I think, the system saying, hey, you need to get this, this, you know, experimental gene therapy injected into you in order to, in order to do the right thing, right? Forgetting all about the quercetin, vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, melatonin, et cetera, that does help boost your immune system, let alone sleep and exercise and hydration, all the things we talked about from Chegg's principles. So it should force people to think like, hey, when we're not promoting the things that actually will prevent this from happening again, I start to like really back off and say like, well, wait a second.

You know, what do we really want for our society? Do we want to be getting a booster shot every year? Like maybe if it was something that caused your fucking head to fall off, maybe I would get a vaccine for that, you know, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about something that is actually very easily preventable through some very non-rocket science, not even expensive means. Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Paul Celadino, the carnivore doc, he's been on this podcast a couple of times and early on, I think it was April, it was before he moved here. He was still at San Diego, April of 2020. So pretty early on during the fuckery, he came on and he was talking about, you know, just the different, the preliminary indications

around metabolic dysfunction and things like that. Like who's getting hit hardest. Right. And I think that same month I had a couple of people on from Nutrisense. There's no affiliation with them, but they do the back of the arm guy. What's that called? Oh, like a continuous glucose monitor?

Yes. Yeah, CGM. So they got really cost-effective CGMs. And so I ran a month with that or two months, and then I had them on and just discussed everything, right? Because I have the genetics for type 2 diabetes, and I have the genetics for type two diabetes and I have the genetics for obesity. And I laugh at that because like I've been telling people for

fucking four years on this podcast, your genetics, whatever 23andMe tells you or Dr. Ron or Patrick or any of these people, that is not your death sentence. That is what could potentially happen if you don't take care of yourself. That's not how health expresses, that's how disease expresses, right? And anyways, I learned a whole lot about that, right? But one of the things that they were saying, because they were, you know, mid lockdown as well, was they had a ton, they had thousands of N equals ones on people and they could see who was getting hit hardest. And this is all verified now, of course, because we've been in this 20, 21 months, something like that. But those who had the least metabolic flexibility, meaning they were pre-diabetic and not taking care of themselves, not using Dr. Movement or Dr. Diet or Dr. Sleep,

if they're missing on those three doctors, they got hit the hardest. And people who had the most metabolic flexibility, they were in shape, they were active, or they took care of themselves and maybe paid attention to how many carbs they were putting in their body or processed foods. They did the best. One of the things that was great, because as I'm aware, I mean, I don't know all my listeners,

I get certain stats, right? Like, oh, 70% male, and they're between these age groups. And then the women write to me, they're like, 70% male, I they're between these age groups. And then, you know, the women write to me, they're like 70% male. I listen to all the, all my girls listen, that kind of thing. You know? So like I get age groups and whatnot, but I don't get health. All the people that come up to me and tell me they listen to the podcast and love it. They're usually fucking fit people, men and women, right? That said, for those that are listening that are not as fit as they could be, and you look in the mirror and you know it, the fucking news that they dropped was you can change metabolic function within two weeks

of paying attention to that and have a exponential greater chance of surviving any of these core issues that we have from an annual basis, right? This isn't going away. It's going to get easier because viruses do get easier. But at the same point in time, it's, this isn't going away, you know, it's going to get easier because viruses do get easier. Right. But at the same point in time, it's just that to say like, if you, if you put a little bit in, even if you're not down to 5% body fat, you will become healthier on the inside very fucking quickly. Yeah. Very quickly. Right. Nature responds and we are nature. Nature responds rapidly with a little investment into it. Right? Yeah, that's right. And to go back to our conversation around the billiards table, you could start injecting hormones, insulin. You could start doing those things. And yes,

it will get you back to those quantifiable numbers. But if you do the lifestyle change stuff, you're getting a logarithmic return on your investment as opposed to just becoming dependent on pills and injections and all that. And so, I mean, this is where it's at right now. Anybody who's listening, you have to start taking care of yourself. And, you know, when the whole pandemic thing happened, I returned to work after paternity leave and there were like Humvees out in front of the hospital. There was National Guard everywhere. Like people were really fucking freaked out and the way that it was being presented,

especially early on was like, what was the timeline on this? That was probably, you know, March, April, April, right in the thick of it. Oh man. Like right in the beginning. So we, we didn't know what, what this thing was, you know? And, uh, there were still projections of it being the second coming of the Spanish flu. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. It didn't happen that way. We didn't lose a giant swath of our population after all. But the, uh, I remember thinking like, man, this might be really, this might be really hard. Like this, this is scary, you know?

So I had my N95 mask or whatever mask they gave me at the time. And I remember after a couple of days, I remember, uh, I was like taking my clothes off outside and coming in and showering to like protect the baby. I mean, like, you know, we didn't know. So, and having been raised in the conventional model was like, well, let's take this seriously. Let's, let's make sure we're doing our thing. And so then I realized that at work I was snacking and I wasn't washing my hands. So like everybody's like walking around in hazmat suits and there I am like snarfing like cashews and like eating plums, you know? And I was like, oh no, I didn't wash my hands.

Like, well, let's see what happens, you know? And of course nothing happened, right? Eventually we did get, you know, the COVID thing, but, uh, you know, in around Thanksgiving and it was a couple of bad days, you know, like when you get a viral on this and we got better and here we are. So I remember early on thinking though, it's amazing that in the media that people aren't, you know, taking a step back and saying, man, the United States is like getting fucked by this thing. You know, like even if all the numbers were accurate, it should really have forced us to start saying early on, what can we do going forward that will invest in the infrastructure

of our food systems and clean water and clean air and making sure people have access in this sort of agency to go into it, you know, just to work out once in a while. You know, we're not talking like you don't have to join the on it gym and start kicking ass, like just carrying your groceries to your car or taking the steps instead of the elevator for one flight a day. I mean, doing something more than just sitting on your ass all day. Why hasn't that been a big part of the conversation? Which should make us all sort of turn an ear to those who are saying, like, I've been telling you this for years. Like people like Paul, like our friend Paul Cech, I've been telling you this for years.

Like your health is not going to get better by just turning to the medical system whenever you need a pill. And now it's turning to the medical system whenever you need a pill. And now it's turning to the medical system. Whenever you even have a cough, you go to the hospital and they quarantine you and isolate you, whether you're 95 or 25, oftentimes pop you on a ventilator, oftentimes load you up with IV fluids and all this other stuff that throws your electrolytes out of balance. And we're back to the billiards table. You know, so one, one thing that, um, so that's like a big message that came very, became very, very clear to me. And I was like, wait a second, you guys are talking about all of the things to fix this thing, except for those things that actually help keep the soil healthy, you know? And even if, by the way, you had that

nasty MRSA infection, even if I gave you a bunch of antibiotics, oftentimes it doesn't fix the underlying problem, which is a metabolic derangement. You know, like your body got sick because your immune system was out of whack because your pancreas and your adrenals were going hardcore all day long. Yeah. I was sick when I got MRSA. Yeah. That's what I was trying to point out. I was actually sick. That's the consequence of that, you know? So if you hadn't looked at that and said, oh man, this is an indication that I'm not taking care of myself. Our boy is calling you. The checkster, Paul Check giving you a ring. I'll call him after. Yeah. So, I mean, that, that was a, that's a, that was a big part of the conversation from

early on and nobody wanted to hear it. Everybody just wanted to know what's the magic silver bullet. You know, what's the silver bullet that's going to get me through birth? What's the silver bullet that's going to let me live forever? And what's the silver bullet that's going to get me through birth? What's the silver bullet that's going to let me live forever? And what's the silver bullet that's going to help fix this thing that's happening right now? And you turn to the sky and you pray for the answer when the answer is really on the perimeter of your grocery store and it's in the stairwell at your job. I mean, like it's really not that hard, but nobody's talking about that. And that's really troubling. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, and they dive into that in Plandemic Indoctrination, you know, a little further on the why. David Icke obviously has been writing books for 30 years on what the why is. And even though I have yet to confirm the presence of nefarious extraterrestrials. I mean, like just about everything else that guy has fucking said has come to fruition. And that is, it's not frightening in the sense of, I mean, it's frightening in the sense that he's been fucking right. You know, that's the problem. The problem is he's been right with a lot of it, you know? And Agenda 2030, which we'll link to in the show notes,

I did for the episode I did with Paul Cech because I think he was the one that had shared it with us. Is that that unmasked documentary? Yeah, unmasked. Yeah, yeah. That is the best documentary I've seen since Indoctrination. And it's the most up to date and really dives into, you know, the conspiracy, the conspiring that is going down to create a one world government

and, um, and take it into transhumanism. You know, we don't even have to, we can take it there. We don't have to take it there on this podcast. I'd love to dive in more, um, really with what these core issues are, because I'm going to do a solo podcast when I've been talking about that for probably six months. If you've been waiting for it, there's good reason. The reason I haven't delivered one is because I know people who have lost their podcasts. A good friend of mine who has sent me

a fuck ton of beautiful information, not beautiful, but hard, but true information about all this stuff, got his podcast ripped down from iTunes and Spotify. Totally deplatformed. Yeah. Yeah. Now we've heard about this, of course, the whole way through with YouTube, right? Right. And even Alex Jones, another guy been spot on through a lot of this stuff. He talked about how there was a think tank, one of the largest think tanks. The headline read, YouTube censors one of the largest think tanks. Guess who the think tank was?

I don't know. It was six doctors at Stanford that had reviewed the cases in Santa Clara County and said that we have grossly overestimated the potential of this. Immediately pulled their video. Shot and recorded at Stanford. I wonder if John Ioannidis was in that group. He's a Stanford epidemiologist. Yeah. Yeah. So that's just like, we knew this with YouTube, right? Which is owned by Google. We'll also link to this documentary, The Creepy Line. Have you seen that one? No, but you just mentioned it in your recording with Paul. And I wrote it.

I have it saved for the plane ride. Yeah. So Paul had Dr. Joe Mercola on, who I've been following for a fucking decade. Oh, yeah. On preventative health. You know, just a guy, preventative health guy. He's one of the reasons we didn't give jabs to our kids. And not just what he said, but the books he's referenced,

like Dissolving Illusions by Dr. Susan Humphreys and many others. That was a great book. Phenomenal. Susan Humphreys. And, you know, he's a guy that I've trusted and listened to for years. He's been a speaker at Paleo FX. I've sat on panels with him. Like he is an amazing guy and he's been right about all this shit. His book, The Truth Behind

COVID-19 is a phenomenal book. I'm surprised it's still available. I can't believe it's still available. But he, Mercola got into it with this guy. They had done a podcast together and then Paul had Mercola on. Mercola brought this up, the Creepy Line documentary, which is all about Google. And it's mind-blowing. It's absolutely mind-blowing

what they've been caught for, but it's just a slap on the wrist every time, right? Because they do the servers for the CIA. They do the servers for our entire government. They have, to say they're not above the law, they literally can write the law, like they literally can write the law, right? Like that level of power. When you're that wealthy. Yeah. Yeah. So YouTube censorship, I mean, it's no surprise to me to see like, yeah, curated content from Google. YouTube is a

censorship factory. And, you know, I was fine. I was like, fuck it. Like we're not even doing video for this podcast. I'm like, I don't need to put everything on YouTube. But believe it or not, my podcast with Mickey Willis is still up there. Wow. I have no idea. It's probably because there's not enough viewers. But just on that stuff, it's well worth to watch that because you understand how deep does this rabbit hole go?

Oh, yeah. It's fucking deep. It goes really deep. It goes really deep. And I think that that's, that's, you know, been a fairly big reason why I've been kind of waiting because the solo cast that I launched will likely be, it could be my very last podcast that I do mainstream. And then it's all going to be in private shit, you know? But that will dive into more of the deep state stuff, what I've come to understand there and references on everything.

So that is coming. One thing I wanted to dive into with you, in addition to birthing process and kind of where we've gone awry is, we do handle both of these things, birth and death in a way that is so sterile and procedure-based and there's no ceremony aspect of it.

You know, I've talked to friends, Caitlin, who's recently a coach, she is a coach in Fit for Service with me and one of my best friends, whose father recently passed away last year. And, you know, she had so much come up for her around like wanting to save her dad, you know, and then having to let him go and then realizing, you know, with medicine journeys afterwards, like my job was just to be

there with him. That was it, you know, like to walk him through that. And that was my medicine too. You know, like, I don't think if, unless you're in a position where you get to partake with medicine journeys and you have that level of awareness going into it. But that's not standard, right? That's definitely not standard. But I think even bigger than that, we've been divorced from that process. You talk about the death process, talk about hospice, talk about what it used to be, where we would be with our family member who had passed away for days. Yeah. I love conversations around ritual because we, we actually really lack a lot of ritual in our lives. You know, we, we don't

really have the storytelling component that I think is so important. And I'm so grateful to have been with so much death in order to, to just sit there and hold space and think like, man, if this was me at the end of my life, how would I want this to go? And, um, the, the sort of modern day ritual is, you know, I've talked about this in other podcasts, but you know, a person passes away in their home. Ideally they're with hospice. This is the ideal situation. They pass away at home. And then a family member is like, oh my gosh, they passed away. Let's call the, call them the mortuary. We got to get the paperwork done. We have the funeral stuff in order. And as quickly as possible, we get that like dead body out of the house in a body bag that's black opaque. And we just can like get rid of the remains. Well, what if we

took a step back and well, let's, let's actually show the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario is I want you to do everything at all costs to keep me alive. Right. And we end up in that scenario that I illustrated before where you're on machines, you've got your lungs, kidneys, and heart are all shot. So we've got machines replacing those functions, which are necessary functions. And then eventually your liver goes and eventually your skin breaks down and you die of an infection. That's, that's how it goes. Nature kind of wins. The bacteria start to eat you from the inside out. Did you watch the green night? No, I haven't seen it yet. All right. You got to fucking watch it. I will not spoil it for anybody. If you go to voodoo,

you can watch it at your home. Uh, it's not in theaters anymore, but you can watch it for, you know, a 20 bucks or something. Yeah. It's there's a fucking poem. There's a monologue that this lady drops in there about how green always wins. Oh yeah. It's like nature. That's exactly right. Nature always wins. Right. So sorry, I don't want to derail you, but highly, highly, highly recommend. It's a must watch for everybody. Yeah. Well, that brings me up. I, a friend of mine, Jacob Edgar, he's a, he's a physician in Salt Lake City and very much in line with, uh, with what we, you know, what we all kind of stand for. We were sitting out on our, we took an RV trip last year, my wife and I, and stopped at his house with his wife and his baby. And he and I were sitting and drinking coffee on the, on the back porch,

like one morning. And he like kind of out of the clear blue was like, you know what? I just, it just occurred to me. We all die of infection. Like all those bacteria that are crawling all over your fruit. Like when the fruit gets picked and it sits there, the bacteria starts eating it because it's dead. It doesn't eat the trees because they're still alive. But when you make it lumber, it molds up and it rots out, you know? And the same happens with us. Like when we have died, when that prana, the chi starts to leach out of our body and we start to straddle that threshold, it's an infection that actually wins. The bacteria and the fungi and everything just consumes you.

And in the hospital setting, you might just be stuck on machines indefinitely until somebody says, you know, quote, pull the plug. But you were, you were dying already. Like you were a dying person who's already got their foot out the door. And all we need you to do as the caretaker is to let go, like, like allow that tether to snap and allow this person to take that next step. And, um, and what, what ubiquitously happens is we see the dead body as this gross thing. Like it's not life, it's lifeless now, and so let's get it out of the way as quickly as possible. What I would like to imagine, I actually want to open

up a birth and death retreat center. Not a birth center, not a hospice center, but a birth and death retreat center where we can do a lot of workshops, we can grow food, we can have animals running around, and these two incredible rites of passage are going to take place simultaneously. I even imagine it kind of in a giant yin-yang pattern, like if you look at it overhead, aerially. And we do all of those things. We have some medicinal journeys. We can incorporate some psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy for existential pain, perhaps

even in the birth process. This is probably going to be down the road, of course, because we've got laws in place that are completely silly around these things. But if we could get those two things together, people would see how related these two events are in the ways that I described earlier. But what I would love to do, like if I die, Kyle, here's how I want you to take care of me. I want people to be surrounding me and they can say kind words. They can do whatever, but I want people to wash me. I want people to love me and I want people to hold space for what just happened. My 90 years in the earth school. I want it to, I want it to be a celebration of life and for us to embrace

and celebrate the fact that I've now transitioned on because it's not something to be afraid of. You and I have been there. We don't need to worry about what happens afterwards. But we also should embrace why we are here. It's not nihilistic. We need to care for our bodies in order to fully embrace the experience of being a conscious human being. But at the very end of life, it's not the end of the road. This is a moment of celebration. You've completed your journey here. Let's care for our loved one's body to reflect that. Let's not pop them into an opaque black body bag and send them to some cold refrigerator. Pump them full of formaldehyde. Pump them full of shit. Yeah. Like let's say, let's embrace the process of nature winning. Like you said, um, when I, when I'm, when I'm dead, I want to be honored

I want people to love me I want people to continue to say nice things about me and I hope people remember good things about me but then I want to be buried in the ground not in a lead-lined casket not in a concrete tomb because to do that is a deliberate affront to the fact that we are a part of our biosphere

and for too long for too too long we for too, too long, we have seen, and this actually gets into the COVID thing as well. We have seen ourselves as separate from, and we are actually like, that's what Charles Eisenstein calls the story of separation. The story of interbeing is the world that I would love to see emerge where we reconnect with our natural state. That doesn't mean we're running around in the woods, spearing animals barefoot, or maybe it does. I mean, possibly that sounds pretty cool. We'll see if the group goes down. Do we move forward with technology or without? Either way,

there's going to be a next stage of human consciousness. That's right. That's right. Yeah. But yeah, to, to reconnect with the soil and to really be able to plant ourselves firmly in this state of co-creation with Gaia herself. That's where this is at. And I think the way that we see birth as a medical procedure and a pathology is a problem. And I think the way that we treat death as a medical pathology and a problem. Like those two things, if we could change that, it's going to require a paradigm shift in our society that we embrace by changing it into this new story of interbeing. Really at the root of that is that we reimagine ourselves not as siloed off from nature, as if nature's coming out to get us, but embracing everything that nature has to offer. And it's not really something we have a choice

about. It's really something that has to happen. Like there's no way forward without us getting back to the root of who we are, which are mammals that are in constant communication with our environment. And anything that we put into our bodies, this disrupts that like formaldehyde, like that needs to be a part of the old story. We need to move on from that. So I want to be buried nude in the ground and I want the worms and the bacteria and the fungi to repurpose me because that's what this is all about. Like you don't get your body afterwards. That wasn't part of the deal, Kyle. When you die, you don't get a chance. You don't get a choice as to whether you die. You get a choice as to how this goes, you know, on the,

on the, those final last weeks. And then what comes after that? I think that in order to reimagine dying, I think we really, really, really need to acknowledge how far removed we've become. And I think that Christian theology, I think, has played a big part of that. I think that the fact that we have so much technology that has disconnected us from the outdoors, like even just being on your phone on a computer all day you'd mentioned earlier, you want to take bear out into nature. Like that's like when you see a kid out in nature, everything is alive. Everything is like, like this is the greatest playground ever because there's textures, there's dirt. Like we can actually be connected again. And there's a reason that we feel reverence when we're in, when, when we're out in, in nature,

whether you're, you don't even need to do psychedelics or anything. You go out and like lean on a tree and just sit there in silence in the woods. And there's an important something there. It's almost like the elemental beings that Steiner talks about are like, they're like, welcome back, bro. Yeah, we missed you.

Yeah, we missed you. We missed you. And you're not alone there, right? Like even if you go off for a walk by yourself, there's a Frisbee golf. We live in a suburb, you know, here in the city of Austin and thank God we get to move, build the dream home on 120 acres and be caretakers of the land. We're absolutely thrilled for that. And I'll have more on that in the future as we see that coming into being,

but there's just a Frisbee golf course for this Met Center that's behind us, all these industrial buildings. And so they took something next to the green belt that could never be built on, and they made it a Frisbee golf course. And it's awesome. All the dogs run off leash there. I've been going there before they started building on it. We got our house two years ago here and watched all these things come into being. But we call it the secret passage because there's a place, a secret gate that you go, no gate, but there's a secret walkway where you cross this little creek to get to this place. And then there's the Forbidden Forest, which is a forest that they left fully standing. They didn't

take out any trees. And there's cardinals, there's Cooper's hawks. Oh, wow. There's egrets, there's all sorts of shit. There's giant ponds for cleaning, the stages of cleaning with different plants and toads and fish to help the water before it goes back into the Colorado. And it's awesome.

Like we can be there alone, but you're not alone. And that's been such a key pain point for so many people through all of this is the feeling of being alone. It really, really is that loneliness. But when you connect to something greater than yourself, and they talk about this in fucking AA, they talk about this in a lot of things.

It doesn't have to be an idea. It can be something tangible and nature is tangible. That's right. So when you're there and the birds are talking to you and the little lizard comes over and looks at you and you know, it's looking at you and you're looking at it and you're like, Hey buddy, I'm fine. I'm not going to hurt you. And he just hangs out with you for a minute before scurrying off. Like that is a connection point. Yeah. And the further we get removed from those connection points, the harder it gets. That's right. Right. Hey, lock yourself in your house and watch the shitty news that's run by nine corporations on

every fucking news station, every cable TV channel, every movie company, every music company. Nine. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's what you just elaborated so beautifully. You know, it, it, it hearkens back to this, this notion that we can control everything. If you lock yourself away in these four walls and you have ample supply of toilet paper and hand sanitizer and like high calorie processed peanut butter, hey, you can survive, right? But is that what we need to be asking ourselves is yes. Yes, if we isolate ourselves, perhaps, probably not, perhaps there's a chance that you won't get this virus,

which by the way, has like a less than 1% mortality for even older comorbid people. But if that's the gamble that we're willing to take, we have to consider, again, the billiards table. What is the cost of isolating yourself and never hugging your parents, never having sex with a beautiful stranger, never grabbing a piece of fresh fruit off a tree and eating it because you haven't sanitized? I mean, like just think of the ways that we try to like the things that would be, would be lost if our life just ended up in isolation, children, not seeing people with, you know, seeing their faces. I mean, how much communication is nonverbal? It's like 90%. So for you just to see my eyeballs

through a face shield and my mask is covering my face and it's muffling my voice, but also taking away all of the expression I use with my mouth and my cheeks and in my eyes, is that the world we want to live in? Is that the world we want our kids to be growing up in? I absolutely say no. Other people might disagree, but these systems of control have never served us. They've never taken us to these green pastures that it's promised. So why continue doing this? We need some course correction here. And we need to realize that, like you said, being out in nature, getting fresh air, getting sunlight, don't slather that like nanoparticulate sunscreen all over all the time. Go out in the sun. It's good for you. Take your shoes off, walk in the dirt. Dirt's good for you. And go and hug your neighbor,

go and take care of people. Like that's really what we need. We need to be leading with love and compassion. But instead we have this story of isolation that hasn't served us, but people just are too afraid to distance themselves from that story because who knows what the next version will look like. I have bad news. The old story didn't look great either. I remember when Joe Biden was running, it was like, status quo Joe. I was telling everybody, I'm super apolitical, but in this case, it was like, what was the status quo that we want to get back to again? What was that time in our human timeline? Where is it that we want to go back to?? Like what was that time in our human timeline? Where is it that we want to go back to?

Because I don't really, I don't know if I remember any time, at least in the past several generations, where I was like, that's the world I want to live in. It's been more and more monopolized, right? Like you said, these nine corporations, like that's all over the place and we're becoming more and more isolated

from the people that make our life worth living. So where is it that we want to go back to? Or do we now want to take the opportunity to co-create some vision for the future together? That's where I'm at. Yeah. And I love that. I mean, we're young enough to do this. So, um, yeah. Yeah. That's reminding me, you know, in the co-creation, that's reminding me of the fourth turning. I had Ben Stewart on the podcast a while back who really spoke at length about that. He had an excellent podcast with Paul Cech talking about the fourth turning as well. Yeah, Ben's a great guy. year cycle of the high, the awakening, the unraveling, and the crisis. And the last high came after World War II. Then the awakening was the psychedelic 60s. We were born in the unraveling period. And of course, everything mirrors this, right? So grunge rock like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, gangster rap, all of it starts to get darker, right?

Archetypically, that is the hero. So most of my listeners, you're a fucking hero. That's the archetype you carry. If there is acquiescence to what this plan is going towards, then it does turn into Brave New World. It does turn into the New World Order or in modern terminology the great reset yeah it's what klaus schwab fucking wants what bill gates fauci newsome all the the shady characters on screen right now are pushing for a one world government you don't own anything and you'll

yeah you'll be happy drones will deliver whatever you need yeah well let's link to i want to jose please link to that also. For people who haven't seen what the Great Reset is all about, they have an ad campaign for it that is- It's so twisted. It's fucking weird, man. It's really weird. So weird.

One thing that's been helping me is to try to see, like, how do we backtrack from the 2030 plan? Yeah. Because, you know, this, as I talked about with Ben, crisis will, and it started in 2008 with the housing crisis, which was manufactured. Watch Inside Job if you haven't seen it. 2028 is when that 20 year period will end, give or take a few years. Hence the push for 2030. And the why, you know, it's really easy to follow the money, but the why behind all this is crypto. It's, it's the fact that you basically can you can start economies that are not dependent upon

anyone else that can't be tracked and with that you can't be taxed yeah so this is the last hurrah instead of a decentralized banking you create what a centralized cryptocurrency that is tied directly to your rfid that's under the skin. And there is no getting away from that. They put enough satellites in the sky and enough cameras, and that's what 5G is all about. 5G is the facial recognition technology, and that's what this is going towards. Smart grids already exist. So that's one path forward. And as the heroes, we have the opportunity to create a different model. And the different model, for those of us that have been connected to the earth through plant medicine journeys or meditation or just fucking soul wanders out in

nature, right? No drugs necessary. I think the message that keeps coming through for me is some amalgamation of the two. It's not becoming Amish, you know, and for sure off-grid is going to be important, but- Right, and forsaking all technology. Yeah. You wouldn't even be hearing this right now without technology. There are blessings in that, right? Just as there are blessings with an MRI. There are blessings with the shoulder surgery. So I can use my arm again. All those things have their blessing. And like guns, they can be used correctly or incorrectly.

So, but this thing that keeps coming up for me in my ceremonies is really a return to the sacred hoop. It's a return to the knowing that we're interconnected with all things. And not just the awareness of that, but co-creation with that in mind, right? How does what I plant in the ground affect all things positively? That's exactly right. Right? And really thinking about that. Biodynamic farming, the biggest little farm,

like I've watched it three times. I cry every fucking time. It's so good. It's so good. And, um, you know, really wanting to be a part of that. And if you can't, like if you, if you're stuck in an apartment and you can't connecting, get outside the city for 20, you know, 20 minute drive, 30 minute drive. Who are the farmers? Who are the people that are doing this? How much time can you spend on their land helping out? So if you're not allowed in fucking Whole Foods, cause you don't have a vax pass, you can still feed your family. Yeah.

Right? Like this, I live in Texas and this may be the last stomping grounds for the fight that's coming. But in New York City and LA and San Francisco, this is already happening. It's not just happening in Europe. People have rolled over.

Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people have and a lot of people haven't, right? I mean, I don't know if these reports are correct or not, but I've read that 40 to 60% of sales are down in New York City and many businesses. Bars that I've been in before in my travels there, Irish pubs and things like that, people are just protesting by having a drink outside or eating outside it and saying, fuck you, we're not going to do this. Right? So there's,

and that's something that people forget. they're like, fuck the coast, fuck New York, fuck California. Like I'm from the Silicon Valley, born and raised. There are a lot of people who have their head on straight in both those States and both those coasts and all over the fucking world. Right. It's it's, but the, what we do now, right. That's what I want to get into. You've, you've been, you know, one of the things that made me curious about you when I was first introduced to you from Paul was the fact that you had studied Steiner. The fact that you did want to have, you know, it's not enough for you to want to create your dream model of care at birth and at death, but also to be in harmony with nature, to bring in the animals and the plants. Talk about what you want to do going forward. It's probably very similar to what you want to do on 120 acres of land.

I live in Louisville, Kentucky, and there's some land, you know, you could buy land there dirt cheap. It's not like Austin. It's, I mean, dirt cheap. It's probably 150K for, you know, 7,500 acres. Wow. And it's like all hunting land with a fishery on board. And like, you know, you're remote, you're up at elevation. So you're not getting run off from, you know, roundup fields and this and that. Or all the aluminum coming down.

All the aluminum from the chem trails and shit. Yeah. We just had Dane Wigington on. Yeah. I haven't, you haven't released that one yet, right? No, not yet. Yeah. I saw the geoengineering film and it blew my mind. I was like, I knew that there was something to this, but when you hear it clarified like that, it's like, shit. I've been looking at those streamers across the sky since I was a kid. Like, what the hell is that up there? The sky is different too.

Like if you've paid attention where I was outdoors every day as a kid, people are like, you're so tan. And they say the same thing about Barry. I'm like, yeah, go outside. Go outside. I'm outside every day. It kid. I'm out, people are like, you're so tan. And they say the same thing about Barry. I'm like, yeah, go outside. Go outside. I'm outside every day. It's unavoidable that I get tan. But the sky is different.

It's, there's a grayness to it, right? It's not as blue as it used to be, right? And that is the dimming. And it's not just, this shit is not fantasy land. Like the Bill Gates, what he's talking about with blocking out the sun as an idea of something they're going to do in the future. And all of us say, Hey, no, we got to stop that. This shit's happening right now. And it's been happening since the 1950s. Right. So sorry,

that's another tangent. So I have to write this shit down. I'm going to lay this solo cast out like check does where however long I need it's there, but there are bullet points and I'm sticking to the script. So I don't go off key. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you and I could bounce these things around for days. Like there is so much that I would like to see change in the world. But you know, to like kind of the synopsis of what I'd like to do is to be able to care for people on my own terms, not based on what an insurance company says I can or can't do, not based on some employer's policy that I don't agree with. I was fired, by the way, for not having my mask on properly while talking to a dying

95-year-old patient. So I don't want to be put in a position any longer as an OBGYN, as a hospice physician or a lifestyle medicine doc for taking care of everybody in between. I don't want to put myself in a position where somebody else is going to tell me what's best for my patient that is not congruent with my experience. So I want to create a space where I can take care of people from cradle to grave, so to speak, um, and bring in, you know, people that are going to host all sorts of workshops and everything else on a piece of property that is relatively free of all the shit that's floating around in all the EMF, all of the crap that's floating around in our air, and that's polluting

our waters and our soils for that matter. I would love to model on a small scale. It's going to be a microcosm, but on a small scale, how can people live in community? I'll be the doctor. Like you need a doctor. I'm the doctor, but how can we co-create a space in which co-operativity is actually, or cooperation is actually valued over, you know, what would you call it? Right now in our space, basically anybody, the more resources you have, the more power, the more value you have. What I would care, what I care less about with regards to the resources a person has is how are we connecting and how are you taking care of my family and how am I taking care of your family?

And if we can all just find some way to balance that out, we essentially nullify the system, these systems of control and power. Because if we're in resonance with our environment, and I mean literally our soil, our trees, the butterflies, the foxes, if we're all kind of in this co-creative space together, it really opens up the possibilities for us to put all of this sort of human capital

behind creating a better world, as opposed to siloing off all of our ammunition. You know what I mean? So what I'm getting at here is it's sort of like a Burning Man. If everybody throws all their resources into the middle and we all know, hey, listen, we've all got everybody's back here in our hundred person camp. Your needs are completely taken care of. If there's not one person who's from like a socialist standpoint, who has all the resources and divvying them out. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. You'll rent everything being like, who are we renting from? That's exactly right. Right. Yeah. Gates. Yeah. Fuck no. No, no, no. I mean, like we all know that private property is not even a real thing.

Like you don't own your house. The bank owns your house. And if you don't pay property tax, the government comes and takes it. So I'm kind of on that path for the sovereign sort of status correction as well, becoming a sovereign citizen and all that. That's going to be down the road. But at the end of the day, it's really a matter of relinquishing control over my environment and over the sort of creative prowess of my neighbors and my community in order to create a space where it's not only healthy and it's actually sacred again to give birth or to die, but it's also just like, that is just how life is and birth and death just being

an important part of being human. So that's what I imagine. I'm curious what, I'm curious what you imagine. Like how would you change that? Well, yeah, there's a couple of things that we're, Aubrey had this impotence because he wants to start a church and he wants to do a Wachuma church and we, that it is done, you know, it is done. The property is closed and all the, the legal documents are signed and it's formed and it's ready to go. You know, all it needs is a caretaker.

So I've been looking at a different, it feels like I've needed a bachelor's in sustainable building, you know, biodynamic farm, all the things, right? You know, and, but that, that in and of itself, you know, one of the last journeys that I had on Equinox really was a very firm remembrance of, I have what it takes. Yeah. And I'm always provided for, you know, and I don't just mean financially. I mean, like I'm connected to the expert that I need to help make this thing to birth this in the way that I want to and create the garden of Eden. Yeah.

You know, but I think church law, different things like that will be super important when it comes to what we're doing on the land. But also, it's not far off from what you were saying in that it's not meant to be done alone. Even kids, like it has been reading Sex at Dawn and some of these other books. When you have, and they say like, oh, it takes a village. Like that is such a gross understatement of how we are meant to be in community, how we are meant to be, you know,

not isolated from oneself. When we were kids, I'm not sure if you had this similar upbringing, but I remember my parents screaming at me, get the fuck out of the house. My mom would say that. My mom would be me, get the fuck out of the house. My mom would say that my mom would be like, get the fuck out of the house, come back. And maybe they didn't use F-bombs to you, but she'd be like, you come back for dinner. Don't leave an earshot. Right. Like I could go as far as I wanted, as long as I could hear her calling me.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. That was my, that was my childhood. Never. That never happens now. Right. I was, I was in ceremony with a guy in the UK. It's the same thing. He drives his kids from one thing to the next. I pick you up from school. I take you to soccer or jujitsu, you know, that kind of thing. Then you're driven home. I drive you directly to your friend's house for a sleepover where you play in the backyard. You go to the playground supervised or you come back. I don't want that for them. I want them. I want to be able to say like, get out of the house, go play, I'll see you at lunch. And to know he doesn't have to do it alone, that there's 20 other kids there

that he can go run around with, right? And get into trouble. Yeah, I mean, that was life. Yeah, go and get, go like get hit in the head with a pine cone. Like, and you come back and you're like, got a little cut here. And it's like, what were you guys doing?

Oh, we were- Throwing pine cones at each other. like 80 feet in trees, throwing pine cones at each other. But I mean, that was like, talk about connection to nature. Like you're in the trees, your hands are covered in sap. You've got Jaggerbush that's from Pittsburgh, Jaggerbushes, thorn bushes, ripped up your arms and stuff from running barefoot through the woods. Like, yeah, I mean, that's, that's how I would love kids to grow up in a community,

you know, like we've created the wall, the, not the walls, but we've sort of created the boundaries now explore the space. It's so important for our development. Yeah. It's absolutely important. And it's something that I see is, is clearly been missing in bears six years, you know, and we've, we've, we've done a great job. I mean, he's probably spent more time in nature than any kids his age. And certainly he's spent more time with me, his father, than most kids his age, because I worked at a titty bar two days a week up until he was two years old. And I've had the luxury of podcasting and kind of making my own schedule with exception to working on it, which was only for a couple

years. And even then I still had flexibility in my schedule. So he's had a lot of dad time. And I think that's critical for these upcoming generations, as you know, as a father, nature being super important and how we, you know, really one of the things that I've, I was reminded of in that equinox ceremony was it's going to be less about what I read and less about what I plan and more about what I listen to. Right. You know, like what does the land want from me

as far as the pacing of the projects, as far as which animals come on and how many. Yeah. And really being, just being mindful of that, paying attention to that, meditating, communicating with the land directly and letting it guide me to take things on at the right time with the right pace and not over committing and not you know to our time and over committing to uh different projects that that would lead me you know stretch paper thin so i can't have time with my son i can't have time to

make sure different animals are doing well like we we want to have every, every system that we engage with rocking and rolling and still know just as in biggest little farm, like it's going to take probably seven years to get that dialed in where it's back in harmony, you know, but we're, I mean, I'm, I'm looking at all sorts of stuff. We're going to have a Alip Shcherbchinsky is going to come out and do biogeometry on the land. Like we're going to see like the grades, all of it, dude. Yeah. So like there there's, it's, it's, it's really cool to think of things in that way. You know, I read, um, the invisible rainbow by Arthur Furstenberg and I'm like, thank God for biogeometry. Thank God for Dr. Ibrahim and Doria for what they're doing and the ability to, to create to create a more harmonious resonance

with the frequencies that we're admitting. You know, like that's super important too, you know. But yeah, that's kind of where my head's been at and really thinking about that. You know, specifically, I've been looking at air crete and dome structures because they're mold-proof, fire-proof, bug-proof in the last seven generations. Yeah, yeah, totally. They're, you know, they're kind-proof, fire-proof, bug-proof, and they're the last seven generations. Yeah, yeah, totally.

They're kind of small, but there's a company here called Monolithic Dome up in Italy, Texas, just three hours north. Oh, no kidding. And they've done 30,000 square feet stadiums. Oh my gosh. And it's still all one structure. It's like a big giant geodesic dome, or is it?

No, it's one structure. They use an air form balloon. Oh. And then they put insulation in, rebar inside the insulation, and then shotcrete. And because of that- So they create this like giant inflatable mold. Uh-huh.

And then they build on the inside. Uh-huh. No shit. Wow. Yeah, dude, it's rad. That's awesome. It's super cool. Their ebook's like 25.

I'll link to that in the show notes. They got a $25 ebook. But that's important. And this withstands hurricanes, tornadoes, fires, everything, right? But one of the big draws for me, if I'm going to do something off-grid and not be in a tiny home, because we got kids, it's like, hey, I can retire in a tiny home, but I don't want that right now, is the fact that the energy cost is nothing.

It's absolutely nothing. It's rated higher than an R60 throughout the entire structure. And there's no air loss. Wow. They had a scientist from UT Austin come up and check it out. And he was like, I'm sorry, my instruments can't detect any air loss. I think the instruments are just designed for standard structures. They can't find it.

Wow. So it't find it. Wow. So it's, yeah. And so with that, you know, you need another piece of technology that actually shuttles in fresh air. Sure. Because you'd have, you know, CO2 would build up. Yeah, yeah, right. You'd have to sit in a car with your windows up. Right. Every day of the week that might add up.

So they've worked all this stuff out. But that's, I've been fascinated with stuff like that. There's another cool one called Gablock. This guy in Belgium developed using plywood and recycled plastics as the insulation. These like 10 inch or 12 inch thick giant Lego pieces that you can build by hand using just a hammer and a screwdriver to fucking make you build your own house. It comes on a pallet and you build your whole thing. And they're made of like a heavy duty, like a concrete or a plastic? No, it's plywood with some type of recycled plastics

that are blown up on the inside as the insulation. And that's also super highly insulative and really a solid structure that leaves no gaps. And you could build your home in a day. It's cool. It's really cool. And it's all 100% recycled materials, right? That can break down.

So it's cool stuff. And I think, you know, like that's another thing that leads me to understand, if we just understand first, how is the world actually operating right now? Because if you stick your head in the sand like an ostrich, you know, it's like if I was in the cage and I was like, we're not in a fight right now.

You know, we're not in a fight right now. We're just going to spar. The guy fucking rips my head off and it's like, oh, that was a fight. That wasn't sparring. He wanted to hurt me. You know, you can't fucking pretend that we're not in a fight right now.

We are in a fight right now. Some people call it World War III. I don't know, but this is a fucking fight and it's a fight for our minds. It's a fight for what we normalize to be the new world. Or it can be something else. It's not too late to make it something else. And if we understand what's valuable,

then we can start to create value where it's needed, value in our human interactions, value in the face to face. Eisenstein came out to our last fit for service and it was here in Texas. And that's something that he said is like you, there is something intangible that you'll never get from a zoom call ever. That's right. You'll never get it from a podcast ever.

You get it in the being in someone's resonance, right? Heart math. Like we're sharing fucking energy field right now. Our energy fields are overlapping. And yeah. That is 100% real. That's not woo-woo shit.

It is backed by science. It is real, right? And even on an esoteric level, even if you couldn't back it by science, it's still real. It's still a felt experience that is undeniable. And I think the more we get to that, the more we engage. And also look, as much as I drop all this dark shit on people, the book, The Power for the Powerless by Vlaiklav Havel is brilliant. He was a dissident in Czechoslovakia

when the USSR came in and went to jail. He later became president there. But he talked about how non-compliers made it possible for them to not be completely overtaken. And all it took was them creating an alternate economy where they relied on each other and provided everything that was necessary, shelter, food, water, and work. Bingo. Boom.

Couldn't fucking take them down, right? This is the last stand, right? We have guns here. We're not, it's not going to go down like Australia and Canada. I promise you that. Right. Like we have our ability to defend ourselves here. If we can acknowledge what's actually happening and then say, okay, what do we do now? Let's build the thing out the way we want to build it out. Yeah. Yeah. Even, even when I lost my, my job, I, you know, initially it's like, oh man, that's, that's a bummer. Like you get the security blanket ripped off.

Right. But had I not been fired, would I have been put in a position where I could actually step back and say, what life do we want to create together? So you need to go through the, it's, it's sort of like the landfill of despair. Like you need to go through that in order to, to like ditch that old story. It's a necessary part of our evolution as a, as a society. If we weren't be putting through these, being put through these tribulations right now, we wouldn't be forced to leave the, you know, the quote safety of status quo, you know, whatever it was before this in order to actually create something that we really are in alignment

with. It's, it's almost as if we've just been kind of putting up with the, the sort of stuff that we see going on around us. It's just too inconvenient to think outside the box, right? And when you start talking about biodynamic farming and how you can get greater yield of more nutritious produce on a tiny plot of land using those techniques versus this commercial crap, it's scary for people. Like, yes, you're going to have to change your life a little bit, but the work of doing that is going to get us to a better place. And it's going to take a lot of emotional, spiritual,

and physical investment of our resources into making this happen. But if we can do it, we can emerge over here and actually create that better world that we all want. We all know it's possible for this to happen. And perhaps maybe we should actually be thankful for this COVID thing because it's kind of like the universe shoving me out of my job, out of the conventional medical model so I can actually do what I was put here to do, which is to care for you and to love you. I can't do that in the medical system. So thank you, employer, for just kicking my ass out because now I actually have some

space to create this life with my wife and our babies and our friends and our family in order to emerge anew and actually better than we ever could have been in the old story. I think COVID is kind of like that for our culture right now. And in some ways we don't really have a choice apart from acknowledging that, but in some ways, maybe we should actually be thankful. Like, Hey, thank you for finally giving us the agency to give you a big middle finger and to step out and to create something better. Yeah. That's what I'm hearing from you. Yeah, absolutely. It's, it's like, um, if, uh, mama bird was the shitty government pushing us out of the nest, you know what I'm saying? I'll take it from here. Yeah. Yeah. You can stay here and, and live in an electronic prison

or let's see if you can fly, you know? Right. And so we got to see who's got their wings and who can fly right now. Yeah, what's that phrase from Fight Club? Like we're all so busy making, spending money we don't have on shit we don't need to impress people we don't give a fuck about.

Like, can we just discard that? Let's actually just become embodied, conscious human beings. And let's actually just start caring for one another. This, this whole isolation and, and the neighbor that didn't get the vaccine is, is, you know, the bad guy. And, and, you know, we don't want other people to have guns or we, you know, we, we want to be cared for by the hospital system. Like that may be, you know, may have served you previously, but was it really serving you in the maximum way? Like, like, were you really living the life that you truly wanted

to live? Do you have that freedom to do what you want to do? Or are you trapped paying these bills, these taxes to a government that just wants to build billion dollar, you know, fighter jets to go bomb innocent men and women and children? Or do you actually want to be able to step out and say, I'm done. I'm done with this story. It takes courage, but you are not alone if you're feeling that way. There's many, many, many of us who are echoing this feeling. And when we actually get in person, Kyle, we both leave feeling like, okay, I'm not alone. I'm actually not crazy for feeling these things. It's not crazy for me to feel bad about there being like,

you know, seven people controlling all of the world's wealth. Like, I think it's okay for me to push back against this. And I'm giving everybody who's listening permission to take a step out and join people like me and Kyle who are actually starting to try to just create this next step without abandoning everything that we've built up to this point. We have the human capacity to do that. And if we would, instead of investing in the exploitation of foreign nations and exploitation know, and, and an exploitation of the earth and all of it on all of her mineral resources. If instead of doing that, if we could actually put our co-creative powers towards building community and loving and leading with compassion,

our world actually could change. You just have to have a little bit of that courage and hang out with other people that feel like that. And it really does. It works as an echo chamber and the sound just gets amplified louder and louder and louder. And then you look back and you're like, oh, I don't even need all that shit that I thought I needed. And I don't mean material things. I mean, like, I don't need these systems of control. We can actually build something better. I'm with you. Fuck yeah, brother. I got you. Yeah, buddy. Absolutely. Well, it's been phenomenal

having you on here and even better getting to know you, getting to share space with you. Yeah, brother. And I'm so thrilled and excited for what the future holds in store for us, brother. We had an awesome life ahead of us. Absolutely. Where can people find you online or connect with you? Yeah, I've got two ways that people are generally working with me. It's the consultation path. Like if you're pregnant, if your partner's pregnant, if you're a dad, new dad, and you're just like, I don't know what I'm doing. Like it's a one-on-one consultation through the website.

That's kind of the practice side. I also, in supporting the sort of the midwifery care model of caring for pregnancy and postpartum. Um, I realized by me going to home birth, it's not helpful. Let me take a step back and let me actually put all of my energy and resources behind supporting the re-emersions and the reestablishment of the midwifery model of care, which starts with a story and holds space for the process. It's really kind of, kind of comes full circle in that way. So the way I'm doing that is people are, you know, can subscribe monthly and have me like on the phone, in text, in email to bounce any clinical questions they have in order to keep

them and their patients, you know, as far removed from the medical system as possible. Presuming that that person's going to stay with home birth. Or let's say that they do transfer to the hospital and you need like a backup, you need an advocate for that monthly fee. You as a midwife have an OBGYN who's very conscious of the pros and cons of the medical system and also takes a very holistic approach to keeping people healthy. So I kind of pride myself on just being able to support doulas, childbirth educators, you know, holistic lifestyle coaches, Czech professionals and midwives in supporting their clients and providing that little insight from the allopathic model when it's necessary. But without them having to go into the doctor's office to have to then kind of navigate that system on their own. So those are the two things.

Beloved Holistics is my website. So anybody can come out and check out. And if you just want to come and send me a message too, I love hearing from people too. Absolutely, brother. Awesome, man. Well, let's get this workout on. Let's do it.

Thank you.