Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #232 Aaron Alexander

Episode Date: December 24, 2021

Y’all know him, we all love him. My dear brother Aaron is back and the flow is as smooth as ever. We touch on balance and harmony within and without, the dance of polyamory, recapturing the rapture, and finding resonance and connection through openness. Be sure to preorder the new and improved version of his "The Align Method" book for preorder at Amazon.    Connect with Aaron:   Website: www.alignpodcast.com  Instagram: @alignpodcast  Facebook: Aaron Alexander  YouTube: Alignpodcast  Show Notes:   Living 4D #133 - Tribe: Building a Community of Support Spotify Apple  Align Podcast: Bruce Lipton Why your Consciousness Creates your Biology Spotify Apple Sponsors:   Optimal Carnivore Absolutely the most nutrient dense food source is organ meats. Head over to optimalcarnivore.com to get them in capsule form and use code “KINGSBU10” for a sweet deal Organifi Go to organifi.com/kkp to get my favorite way to easily get the most potent blend of high vibration fruits, veggies and other goodies into your diet! Click that link and use code “KKP” at checkout for 20% off your order! BIOptimizers Go check out P3OM tear up an entire steak at  Code “Radicallyloved10” at p3om.com for 10% off their top tier probiotic that will support your immune system this sick season! PaleoValley Some of the best and highest quality goodies I personally get into are available at paleovalley.com, punch in code “KYLE” at checkout and get 15% off everything! Connect with Kyle:   Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service Academy  Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys   Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com  Zion Node: https://getzion.com/ > Enter PubKey  >PubKey: YXykqSCaSTZNMy2pZI2o6RNIN0YDtHgvarhy18dFOU25_asVcBSiu691v4zM6bkLDHtzQB2PJC4AJA7BF19HVWUi7fmQ   Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

And we're back. This has been one that I have been waiting for for a while. My brother, Aaron Alexander. We sit down. Aaron has a brand new book. It's actually the revamp and rekindling of an old flame. He just changed up. That's him laughing in the background. So we're literally just finishing this off. Phenomenal podcast, hour and a half long. We really dove into a whole host of topics. It was really cool just to have a flowy, lovely conversation that covers a ton, I have wanted to give people more, um, more on the light side of what to do now. And, uh, part of that is psychology based. Part of that is based in the body. Part of that is based on practices and relationship and all sorts of stuff. And we really cover so much of that ground in this podcast. I just fucking love it.

I love Aaron. We'll link in the show notes to his book that's on pre-sale right now on all things optimization of the meat suit. And there's a number of other links that we'll have. So check those out in the show notes. We will also link to our sponsors right now. Check these guys out.

We've got a couple new ones. These sponsors really make this show possible. So by supporting the sponsors, you support this podcast directly. And every sponsor that I have, I hand select because they are awesome. And I also want to stand firmly behind anyone that I support on this podcast. I'm not reading off, you know, some national ad routine. You know, I once had that where the guys were having me read for companies that I had no relationship with. And I was like, this ain't going to work. So I ended up parting ways with that sponsor company. And I work with friends who know exactly what the fuck I want. And we, you know, I still say no often,

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Paleovalley.com, discount code Kyle, 15% off. And without further ado, my brother, Aaron Alexander. I don't want to miss anything. You don't need to clap. There's no video element. The clap. You thought that's only for video? It's to balance the sound of the outside of the room.

Really? Yeah, it's background noise. It lines up to the video well. If we're matching it to video, that's good of the room. Really? Yeah, it's background noise. It lines up to the video well. If we're matching it to video, that's good for the clap too. Dude, Kyle Kingsbury, audio technical technician. You know, I know a couple things

here in the game for a while. That's good. You need a pipe right now. That would be lovely. You know, Aub bought me a pipe at the last Fit for service event. There's a guy who's a,

I think he's a member who burns wood. So instead of carving wood, he uses no sharp tools whatsoever. He only uses torch and he fucking burns wood into shapes that look like grandmother Oak and Pocahontas. You remember that movie? Mm-hmm. It's like the Mother Oak that speaks to Pocahontas.

Yeah. That's what it looks like. It looks ridiculous. You see the faces come through. Anyways, he made Ob this dope-ass wizard staff, like Gandalf's staff, with a fucking crystal at the top. And it's, it's super cool. And he's like, Hey, he's going to, I was like, this is the coolest shit I've ever seen. It's, you know, it's, it's the most magical instrument I've ever seen.

And, um, and he's like, the guy's going to be here. He's got a, he's got a whole lineup of things. He's got pipes, um, caripes for happy. Also I was like, Whoa. All right. So we went through and then i saw this i mean there was some cool stuff but the one that really spoke to me was a tobacco pipe that was um probably only a foot long straight and it just had this old man's face burned into it with cheeks the nose the mustache coming down um and then his head was the bull. And then like a third eye was the, what do they call it?

Shaman stone, which basically looks kind of like clear quartz. It's fucking rad though. That one spoke to me and he gifted me that, which is very sweet. I always appreciate a gift that I'll use. And it makes an excellent talking stick too. And you've got to have the deep, hard conversations.

We've had a couple of those. Not me and Aub, but deep, hard conversations within the tribe. That certainly is a fucking rad talking stick to make sure everyone gets to say what they want to say first, and then you pass the mic. I was talking...

Do you know Aaron Doughty? No. It's like actual and then you pass the mic. Yeah, I was talking, do you know Aaron Doughty? You ever connected with him before? No. He's got a big YouTube channel all about spiritual stuff. It's like actionable, spiritual information about laws of attraction,

stuff like that. We recorded a podcast yesterday and one of the things that we were talking about was how lovely it would be to be in a world, which this world could be now if you choose it, where we were allowing ourselves

to gather more information from nature, kind of like Native Americans, I think, seem to be really good about this, or a lot of older cultures, indigenous people. Aboriginals, all of them. Yeah, and so you see a relating like the coyote to be like oh it's like the gesture you know it's like mischievous trickster energy trickster energy or you know all these different animals throughout nature you have this significance to the way they imprint in

your in your life um and then the lessons that you can gather from them whereas it's interesting presently i feel like i don't know most people me are largely divorced from that relationship and most of the information that i gather comes from you know books or like a flat blue lit screen you know in my coming out of my phone or on a tv screen and just what an interesting world that would be. And we're really like your input predominantly comes from nature. Yeah. The lessons that you gather comes from nature and what that, what, what that,

what that does to the mind. It's a, it's interesting. The more I've shifted towards that from thanks to plant medicines and, and the first medicine man I worked with maestro who passed away, my boxing coach, he really reconnected me to that and a lot of Native American wisdom. He was a mestizo Mayan and Mexican American.

And he really started to let that trickle in and the medicine really opened that whole world up. Like actually, like the firm gnosis of animism, that all things are not only created from the same source, but they're all animated. They all have soul. They all have an aliveness to them. The inanimate is animated. And so paying attention to cues like that, the whole world of synchronicity opens up. You know, like Jung really points us to that. And I think if we're listening, conversation I've had with Godsey many times is on when we're in alignment with our intuition, when we say yes to the gut and we follow the daemon or the high self, whatever that calling is, more and more we see synchronicity show up. And because of my relationship with nature, more and more that comes from direct from nature.

So like these synchronicities happen. I'll be thinking about something that I'm pretty certain is an important thing to track, but I'm not sure. And then fucking boom, a Cooper's Hawk flies by and gives me a, you know what I'm like? Okay.

I think it's, most people would say like, ah, coincidence or some shit like that. But when you understand it, it's, it becomes so undeniable that you really don't look at the world the same again.

Yeah. There's Jack White. He had a thing where he was talking about the transition from analog music to digital left people hungry for the full texture of sound that they would get while they're listening to music so when it converts over to digital you're getting these like clips that are smashed together to be able to porongi talks about that even like through spotify it's ramped down and then if it's played to a bluetooth speaker it's ramped down further

the packets right yeah so when you think of it so the suggestion there which seems to hold some level of weight is that it leaves people with this like this like deprivation or this internalized subconscious hunger for something more but they don't really know exactly what it is and so i wonder if there's something to that because i feel like something i i experience oftentimes is like a certain level of like restlessness or a certain level of like wanting more but not knowing exactly what that is or like this insatiability or like this hungry ghost type sensation. It's the thirst for… Do you know what hungry ghost is? Are you familiar with that term?

Yeah, with gabramate yeah hungry ghost is like a like a these mythological creatures that have these tiny little little gullets throats and then these these you know infinitely large stomachs and so they just keep on feeding and feeding but they never can feel satiated and i wonder if perhaps just as we're just like thinking about this now um if perhaps there's some relationship to that with us getting these like partial, these like supplement forms of visual information and knowledge and such from these screens and from these podcasts and from these Spotify music as opposed to gathering that from like the whole food source of nature or analog music. Yeah, I mean, that was the first the first real my first 12 ayahuasca ceremonies were done from an ipod and i just didn't know the difference you know or sex is another example of that like human connection compared to porn yeah like there's so many different replacement examples of that of that where we can just like cool what i would have at

one point just you know the only option would have been the whole food version of it. Now there's all these other substitutes and they're so darn convenient. They are very convenient. I think that they're ultimately a good thing because, um, there's a deeper appreciation. So my, like I was saying, the first 12 Aya on an iPod didn't know curanderos sang Icaros, only read about it. I'd never felt that. And then going to South America and Central America to do ceremonies where they were singing live.

And a lot of them, in the non-traditional practices, they'd have traditional medicine from Shipibo style, things like that, but they'd play guitar and all sorts of shit. I mean, one of the most mind-blowing I talked about years ago on ops podcast was with a guy named Lee Nahr in Las Vegas. And he was, uh, in his late twenties, he had been practicing with the medicine since he was five. His grandmother brought him to it. She was a maestra from five or 10. And he could sing acapella as good as anyone I'd ever heard. He could play any fucking instrument.

He had, he asked, you know, the helpers to gather as many different instruments as possible. And he, it was funny because he played the harmonica like better than Billy Joel. And he said he'd only seen a drawing of a harmonica his entire life up until that point. And it was just like, what the fuck is this dude? But that to me was like the, oh, okay. There is a huge difference between the analog and the digital. And it's obviously when you're, you don't need ayahuasca to figure that out. But when you open

up all those channels, the sensitivity and receptivity to the difference is palpable. It's like it's non-negotiable. And so now I'll never do ayahuasca again from an iPod. It's, you know, like I have no judgment against those experiences. That's where my wife and I saw bear. It's where we realized we were going to be life partners. Like all those things happened with an iPod playing. So it didn't diminish.

But there really is no comparison. And I think really, you know, what we're being called towards now is a decision. It doesn't mean we throw the baby out with the bathwater. Technology is dope. Like our careers serve mostly through technology, right? We both host awesome podcasts. We've both learned a ton of shit via technology. Oh, yeah.

You know, like, I mean, it's a ton of it. It's like an integration of consciousness. Yeah, but the further that path goes, I mean, that kind of leads to what David Icke's speaking about. It kind of leads to, not kind of, it does lead to the transhumanist movement. And we don't need to rabbit hole that. I'm going to have Ike on January 10th, and I'm definitely going to rabbit hole that with him there. Catherine Austin Fitz, who worked for the government, has really exposed

kind of what that looks like. But aside from that, table that, the opposite of that, what is the opposite of that is a reconnection to nature. It's a reconnection to ourselves. It's a reconnection to live meetings. We had Charles Eisenstein out for our second Fit for Service of the Year in Dripping Springs, Texas. And he was at a point where he was like, I understand the value in podcasting, but nothing replaces this.

Nothing replaces the face-to-face gathering. You know, 200 people, 300, five people. It doesn't matter what that number is. It's the in-person, right? And I know this. We know this both from podcasting. Like I'll take a guest any way I can get them. I got to get David Ike via online across the pond. But you're here in Austin, which has been a huge fucking just nod, God nod, as I like to call them. I'm like, fuck yeah, dude, more of my boys are here. But when we're face to face, what do we do? We hug in the parking lot. Like we immediately merge our energy fields. We feel into each other. And now this entire conversation with it, we're within eight feet of each other. And we're mirroring each other. Yeah, brother.

And we're just feeling into each other right now. And that conversation, there's a depth that goes beyond the digital for me and you in this experience right now. Yeah. And it's not to say like, for everyone listening to this, you're missing out. No, you get this conversation still. And that's the beauty of technology. But it's not a replacement for you having your own one-on-one conversations

and you having your own gatherings, especially around Christmas. All this nonsense going around, whitehouse.gov. Fuck that. Fuck that. Meet for Christmas. No one's going to die. There's an interesting thing with when people are essentially people listening to this, it's like you're listening to a story.

And when people listen to stories, even if they're not in the same room, they'll have this synchronization of their physiology. So their heart rates will synchronize to each other, essentially. So when you are listening to said like last night i watched the christmas story which i used to watch that like every year multiple times i haven't seen that since i was a kid is it worth watching so good it's so good it's it's like what really makes it excellent is it hits on all those small little details of your life growing up that you didn't really notice and then it highlights them and you're like, ah,

like that was me. Ah, that was me. And I think it does that for, you know, millions of people across the world. Everyone's like, oh,

that was me. You know? And so it, it, it has this like visceral emotional connection to, you know, hell yeah. Bears never seen it.

We watched the Grinch, Jim Carrey Grinch a couple nights ago. We watched white Christmas. He loves that. Yeah. Oh, but so hold on this, this, this synchronization thing. It's that, a couple nights ago, we watched White Christmas. He loves that. Oh, but so hold on. This synchronization thing, I think that's such a beautiful thing. If you were to take your heart rate and 500 people's heart rates as they're watching the Christmas story,

there would be a consistent pattern of the way that our hearts are beating. It synchronizes in relationship to that story that we're watching or to that song that we're listening to. And then when we're hanging out here, naturally, you know, you can see we're like mirroring each other's postural positions. And similar thing will happen with pupils. The size of our pupils will become consistent. Our heart rates become consistent, even body temperatures can fluctuate to become consistent. You know, you hear like women menstruating around a similar time depending on like who like the alpha is. I think we've joked about this before. I think I claim to be the alpha, the alpha woman.

So everyone falls in line with your monthly cycle, Aaron. You hang around with enough ladies that they're all on aaron's timeline but i think that's like i think that's what we're doing and it makes us feel like we're not so fucking alone yeah you know and so listening to those stories the reason that they're like these perennial classics that you talk about 40 years after they're made i think is it makes you feel not so alone it makes you feel connected to something larger than yourself you know when we're with someone else we're it's kind of like it's almost like we're having sex in a way you know like when you're having sex with a person it's like you're

you're merging you know if you're really connected with the person, it's like you might literally just become one being during that timeframe. If you're a little less, you might, you know, it's a little less, but I think that that's, it's, it's like coming back to something. It's like this unicity sensation. We're seeking this unicity sensation and then we're back into duality and then back into unicity. It's like this oscillation. But just having a conversation with someone, if you just allow yourself to be moved as opposed to forcing yourself into some kind of container, like forcing the conversation, just surrender to the moment with someone, then you start to slip into that unicity,

which I think feels really good. With full presence, right? Like when you're not distracted, when there's, I mean, that's, that's Rogan talked about this for years is still likely talking about it. How much different the podcast conversation is when you're on the same comfort level. Obviously, you know, like I was nervous as all hell being on his podcast, but how many times you do his podcast? Just twice. But for us, like we are close as

friends, right. And have been for some time from the jump. And so the automatically when we see each other, like I'm thrilled to see you, I think you're thrilled to see me. And so, um, the flow that takes place and the ease that takes place and the presence that takes place is truly on a different level than, um, if we've got a lot of shit going on. Look, I'll say this about myself too. I'm not speaking about other people. If I, if you came over to my house and bears running around demanding your attention and Tasha's trying to tell you something and I'm doing dishes and all this, you know what I'm saying? Like it doesn't have to necessarily be a screen. There's a lot going on, but to dedicate time for

a conversation is really fucking rad rad that's what keeps me going you know it's like it's one of the many things that keeps me going yeah i think i want to keep i'm like you hold the thread brother unfurling these layers of my which is why i enjoy these conversations because it's like an opportunity to go into places that um, I don't know that I've been here. But I feel like that unicity sensation opens up the potential for healing at a deeper mental, emotional, cellular, structural level. percent of people listening to this have experienced some breath work experience or maybe some psychedelic experience or some you know something that where they got out of their minds enough and they started to witness this deeper intelligence start to come through and suddenly their jaw starts going in some weird direction or their face does a weird thing or their shoulder starts kind of doing these weird spiral positions or you're undulating your spine or you know whatever

the thing is you just you feel this deeper compulsion because you got out of the way of who you think you are supposed to be or what you think you're supposed to think or do or and then suddenly there's deeper intelligence is able to come through and that just any time we can put ourselves into that position i feel like it it's like a system reboot for our nervous system. And so that unicity, I think we subconsciously or maybe consciously, but at least subconsciously are seeking these unicity moments because we're seeking to repair these old things. You know, it could just be like, oh, I had a hard workout yesterday. Or it could be like, oh, I was, you know, had some be like oh i had a hard workout yesterday or it could be like oh i was you know had some deep trauma when i was two you know or in my mom's womb or the connective

the collective trauma of the last year and a half yeah and so when we're when we're when we permit ourselves when we feel safe enough to go into that space of and i'm saying unicity i try to avoid as you know like words that could be like ambiguous or fluffy but i think unicity is a good one you know it's like like connecting with the reality that you go beyond your own skin bag you know which i which i i also think the skin bag is very valuable and it's beautiful it's like in some miracle so i don't like downplay the skin bag the epidermis know, the walls of your skin. But when we can oscillate into that, I think it really truly is. It's like it's it presents the opportunity to heal, which is pretty fucking rad.

Yeah. And in beyond healing, you know, like Kalindi, I was a great teacher of mine that I thankfully got to speak to one, one cell phone call talking about having on the podcast before he passed away. Um, he was the impetus for me doing 30 grams of penis envy. You know, I have the highest respect for this guy, but he, he, um, sorry, bring me back to what you were just talking about. Healing through unicity. Healing. Yeah. One of the things he was saying. And the value of duality. Yeah. Both are great. Both are super important. It's an oscillation. You dip back and forth. One of the things he was saying is, you know, ayahuasca and all these tools are fantastic tools for healing.

And then once you get to a place of having been healed, the reason psilocybin was his favorite was because there's no ceiling to the upper limit of that. And it's not like 15, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, I'm sure after 10 grams, it's all the same. It's not, it's absolutely not. He said that I can verify it, um, for my own and, and plenty of others that have had, you know, larger doses. But the point being that, um, circling this back away from medicines and just to the unicity. Once we have done the healing work, there still is a driver to bring us back to unicity

because we can forget in the maze of being lost and I'm separate from you, I'm different from you, I believe something different from you as a way for God to know itself. And the return to unicity is the refresher of the, oh yeah, okay, all is fucking perfect, right? No matter how fucking strange and wacky the world seems to be right now in this transitionary phase that we're in, I can rest back in the divine perfection. I can rest back in the knowing that I'm always held. that can be maybe just more of an energetic reset

or an energetic reminder and refresher that continues to push me through and allow me to get more out of life rather than dragging my heels through a lot of the shit that seems to be afoot. How did you feel when you were holding 30 grams of, and if people aren't familiar with what penis envy mushrooms are, they're like really effing powerful.

They're like, what were they? They were originally engineered by Terrence McKenna or something like that. The McKenna brothers created them, yeah. Yeah. When you're holding that in your hand, where is your mind at? And I don't know that this is recommended for like hardly anyone. I don't know. After talking to you, Forrest, I don't think five grams is recommended for everyone but just out of curiosity like like wingsuiting probably not that highly

recommended you know a lot of people died doing it but based for the person for the wing sitting specifically yeah you know because you're like and especially if you're if you're i think it's like called proximity flying if you're getting really close to objects because your mind isn't situated or trained to understand if you're going 100 and however fast or 150 miles an hour or whatever speed they're going, and you see a wall coming, a rock coming, your brain hasn't been trained. You haven't done reps to know that proximity

and how fast that comes up. Anyways, that's just, that's, that's actually an excellent, an excellent analogy because, um, you know, Kalindi's recommendation was to go up two grams at a time until you were comfortable. And then, then if you make it to 20 to 30, which was his general range for 20 years, then you can play there, right? You can explore the cosmos. And that's something that he was asking for it. When I got introduced to him, it was right along the same time I read the DMT dialogues. And you've had Rick Strassman on your podcast. One of the things that they've really proposed in that is how do we stretch the DMT experience so that we can take

back, that we can actually go there, bump into benevolent beings that are willing to help and then take back that information and actually use it and ground it in the 3D. And how do we have communications with other star nations or interdimensional beings and things of that nature and actually ground it here so it becomes useful information instead of just a wowee. And in that experience, I realized by the end of it, like, that's the answer. You don't need a fucking IV drip DMT. You have a large enough amount of psilocybin,

which is very similar, um, in structure to dimethyltryptamine. That's the experience. But as you were saying, for me, there was no reps to say like, oh, here's this rock wall coming, right? And thankfully, I had enough reps with ayahuasca and other medicines to have taught myself successfully how to surrender the experience. And so even though I went through some really hellish places, I was, you know, as quiet as a church mouse, just laying there in the experience out of my body. One thing I recognized in that, and what gives me caution in talking about it is that that is an experience where you run and jump out of a window. That is an experience where you're like, I can't die. I'm immortal. That is an experience where, you know, you, I mean, I took a cold shower and didn't really feel it on my skin.

And it was like, hmm, this is after the experience too. And it was like, okay, you know, if I continue to test that, do I put a knife through my hand or light myself on fire? I mean, there's a whole fucking, if you weren't, if I wasn't dialed to understand that I could potentially still be having an altered state of consciousness, people do some, some crazy things. You know, they go run it on the street, set themselves on fire. They do all sorts of shit, you know? So it's not a, it's not a strong recommendation, but it,

that is a beautiful example of that, of what you're speaking to with, you know, truly not having the reps to really understand what's going on. But the thing about that experience that, that is true, I think of any breakthrough experience, which could be a gram, you know, it could be a different method. It could be breath work, right? It could be holotropic breathing is that it's more real than the waking dream we're living in right now. It is at least just as real. It's the fucking holy shit. Like I am fully aware, fully conscious. It's not dumbing down consciousness like alcohol does or Percocet or any of these other, you know, Valium, things like that shit I used to do in college. The awareness is such

where it's an expansion of awareness. So I'm able to take on more and it's as real as, and it doesn't feel like, oh man, that was a weird dream. You know, we have some dreams that are like, damn, that was a vision. I need to write that down. And then other dreams where it's like, what the fuck was that? That was weird.

But it still seemed dreamlike. In a lot of my journeys that are breakthrough level at various doses, the appearance is that it is a lived experience. The first vision I had on ayahuasca, I became my mother and watched a time-lapse grow of my belly with Kyle in it. And I felt all the nerves and pressure

of being a mom for the first time and only being 21 years old and wanting to do it right and not be like my parents as her. I was her and it was undeniable, you know, and my dad would come, my husband as my dad would come over and kiss the belly to give Kyle love. And I'd feel that wash through my body into his, into Kyle's like, that's a lived experience. That wasn't like I was a fly on the wall watching it. Like I was, became my mom. And experiences like that are just, they're undeniable and unforgettable. And I think

that's one of the beautiful things about those. But again, that's a reconnection to a greater awareness that stretches beyond my brain in the meat suit that I have. And we can microdose that in the ocean surfing. We can microdose that in a yoga class. We can microdose that like going in the forest and fucking just hanging out, watching nature do its thing. You know? And I think that's, that's this big draw is that as we immerse ourselves in technology and don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, that we rekindle the relationship with nature and understand its importance in our lives as the analog versus the

digital yeah yeah there's uh rereading the four agreements right now which i know that you've so good it talks about the the mitote i think is how you you say that it's it's like essentially the same as like Maya like like the illusion the dream that we're living in one of the things that It's I think it referred to the meto day as a it's like a thousand People talking at the same time and no one actually can understand each other It's like that's that's like the experience of the mind and it's just this just chatter

and then so they refer to that as like the you know they call it like the smoke in the mirror you know so that chatter is the smoke and most of us occupy that that that smoke layer and we call that to be all there ever is and all there ever was that's like the materialistic mindset and then the opportunity to experience to see the reflection of yourself and somebody else to actually be able to like see the mirror that's that unicity experience which is what the the breath works and psychedelics or even just going out into the woods and just like taking a beat you know like you can have that experience just by like having a moment sitting on the edge of a rock you know and like listening to water or just starting now that's why i think hunting

is such a beautiful thing yeah buddy you know you go especially especially bow hunting which i've only been on one trip i went to haw to Hawaii like a year ago or so. Axis? Yeah. So it's special. It's so special. I've done it only once. It's really, really unforgettable, especially because of how serene Hawaii is.

But I was just having a conversation in the sauna yesterday at Kuya with a guy who hadn't been hunting. We were talking about some of the sacred hunts that Mansel puts together. I know we're gearing up to do that next year, but with everything going on at the farm, it's got to be later. And then I was talking about this hunt that we did in Hunt, Texas, which is about two hours west,

and they have all these different majestic animals. And it dawned on me that it connects the dots of almost every practice we have, right? It connects the dots of meditation every practice we have, right? It connects the dots of meditation, mindfulness and presence, cardio, strength training, balancing, like how do we exact that in the moment, right? Because I can go get sex and reps in the gym, but how I perform when it counts, you know, that matters, right? Like if you're spinning someone while you're floating them, you're zeroed in on every part of the body awareness of yourself and them so they don't fall and break their neck.

Kyle's talking about acro yoga. Yeah. And when I was fighting, like I had to zero in so that I wouldn't break my neck, you know? And so there's very few moments now that I'm retired where I actually have an impetus to draw all systems of wisdom into one, right? Like, and that's one of the coolest things about hunting is you're zeroed in, you're quiet, you're still, you're still even as you're tracking quietly,

you're patient, the mind can wander, but the better you circle back to the still point, the better you get at hunting and listening. Because if you're in your head, you're not listening. And then the physical act, you know, a compound bow isn't like it's fucking walking the park to get that thing drawn back. Unless you get a new Hoyt RX-5. Is that the fucking move?

Is that the move? Did you get one from Tyler? Yeah. Oh, wow. He's got one like maybe a month ago or so. That's so dope. It's,

it's pretty interesting that it's still the same 70 pounds, uh, weight. Yeah. Um, but it feels like it's like 15 pounds easier to pull. Wow. Yeah.

That's the way it felt to me. Ben, there's a chance I hadn't shot for probably like two or three months. So now you're yoked bro so it was probably just the 15 extra pounds there's a chance on your rear delt there's a chance that i'm slightly stronger hopefully that that's it but it was it was interesting to see like the technology of the camps and such like wow and then you got to nail it right i mean i've missed i missed on a um on a sal on Big Island at 43 yards

because it was moving. And I've spoken about this before in a podcast, but you really, you know, you want to have an ethical kill for many reasons. But if you do miss and it still hits, that's a sound that doesn't leave you. You know, like that squeal of a pig was fucking unforgettable. It was gnarly. I mean, it was gut wrenching. And I, so I ran to this animal and

you're not supposed to run up on animals, but it was a small, small pig. And I ran to finish it off because it was like, the, the, the scream was something that I just, I was like, oh, I got to put this out of its misery now. And thankfully, I was able to quickly. But that experience is one where it's a visceral experience of why you practice and only take the right shot. You know? And so for me, like, since then, I've drawn down many times without taking a shot that I think isn't going to land perfectly. And that was the baked in experience and the visceral experience of why that happens. So I don't have an unethical kill.

It's kind of like this is a weird, maybe borderline inappropriate analogy. Let's go inappropriate. But it's kind of like relationship in a way i mean it absolutely is a relationship obviously relationship to the animal you're hunting but um if you are irresponsibly engaging in relationship with someone and there's exposure to deeper levels of themselves and like their heart and vulnerability and past wounding and trauma and insecurities and all that. And they're, you know,

starting to be willing to like put those on the table for you, for you to hold it. And you not having adequate training, uh, more attention or, or care to that experience, you will perhaps end up being Kyle, you know, running after a, you know a squealing being because if you because of your inappropriate aim you know and the way that you approach that

relationship yeah i know that's a kind of a weird thing no that's like predator prey but i think there is you know if you get out of those ideas i think there's some there's something to that i mean you brought up don miguel ruiz and Mastery of Love is such a perfect book. I think he brings this up in Four Agreements as well, but he talks about we all, because of the trauma of humanity, we're covered in scabs that are invisible. And we know where each other's scabs are, especially in the closest relationships. And we walk right up and accidentally or unconsciously scratch a scab to expose a wound. And the response is, I'm going to scratch your scab and expose your wounds

because I know exactly where your buttons are. And this gets repeated if we're unconscious at infinitum. You know, it's only when we step back to realize you are the divine mirror, we are one, and we hold a greater awareness of what the container is. And it doesn't mean I'm perfect in relationship, but I've obviously fucked up so many times in so many relationships that I can see the difference now in my relationship with my wife, Natasha, and that the moment we got together and we had infinite work to do, especially in the first year we were together, the thing, the thread that held it together was that we both wanted to grow together.

We were both willing to say yes to the unknown. We both, you know, had ayahuasca for the first time together. All of these things we both read, you know, mastery of love chapter by chapter out loud to one another and would talk at the end of each chapter about, you know, how it is, what do we think about this? Are we in alignment with it right now? How, what do we need to do? What steps are necessary to actually embody what, what Domingo Ruiz is talking about? And so there's been countless other ways where we've unified and continued to work because all relationships are work. And I think that goes into the practice, right? Like we got to practice on a target with the bow many, many, many times just to feel comfortable enough to shoot the live moving target with all the excitement and the slowing of the breath and

all the other things that come down like, oh, this is real. I've been hitting a heavy bag my whole life and now I'm in a fight, right? It's a totally different experience. And I think, you know, all of the practice of reading these things, these, these relationship books or working with coaches or doing anything, the alchemy of that is in the fire of relationship. And that's where you either alchemize and grow together or you don't and then you you know shoot your partner in the liver and and hear her squeal yeah yeah so i wonder what the practice what would the target training be to prepare yourself to engage with another human obviously when you're dancing engaging with

another human you guys are both practicing with each other that's the point you know but from your lens because you have more experience with with relationship like intimate relationship than I do as far as like long-term relationships and you have kids and you've been in poly relationships and monogamous and all that stuff so I would like pass the ball to you yeah we've I mean we've we've walked the that was the thing too you know like we take poly for for a moment that's another fire walk that's another big fucking ceremony and i definitely don't recommend i take 30 grams don't fucking try that with your wife you know unless you're really prepared um why 30 grams ends why is poly why. Why is poly so hard? Poly doesn't end, right? So like, I mean, poly, that's a whole rabbit hole, but poly is hard.

Reading Sex at Dawn, the reason it worked, and there's debate between Jamie Wheal and some of these other great thought leaders on if that actually was the case in primal tribes, but say that it was. Paul Cech did a great podcast on tribe. It's a solo cast, it's three hours. I'll have my brother Jose link to it in the show notes.

And one of the things he said is that all tribes have a shared myth. They have a shared ethos. They have their same understanding of God and there's no question to that. If they have questions, the kids go to the elders and the elders hold that. And sometimes there's multiple stories of origin. There's multiple stories of things and that's all

collectively held. But there is also baked into that equation is a system for conflict resolution and a team of people that have been gifted with the knowledge of life experience to help with conflict resolution. But they're starting from the same place. That's what I'm getting to on the myth, the ethos, the religion. In our society, we're not. We have completely different backgrounds, completely different traumas.

She's a Jew, I'm a Christian, whatever the case is. And so there's less foundational tools that hold us in conflict resolution. There's less foundational tools that hold. And then look, I mean, even amongst therapists, I don't know a lot of marriages that have been saved from relationship counselors. I don't, I know a lot that fail when they go to relationship counseling counseling. And that's not to say if you're in marriage counseling,

you're fucking doomed to fail. That's not it at all. I just think that- It's like the respirator. There must be, yeah, there must be more. Like, oh boy. Yeah, there must be more that really connects us. And I think this, you know, coming full circle, the things, the greatest gifts that I've had with Tosh

are that she's always agreed. And the things that we've done with exception of Polly, and I'll talk about Polly in a second, but the things that have grown us are the unicity experiences that we share together. You know, it's running a 10K in the snow at Mount Charleston in Vegas. It's spending the day at the beach on mushrooms.

It's going to the Amazon. It's doing all of these different things that have really, it's having a yoga practice that she leads me through, you know, and we really open ourselves up and dump energy and do breath work while we're in the process. We get back into our bodies together. It's doing those things together that continually refreshes us and reunifies us. And it's having the hard conversations and being okay with that. It's reading books. Like she had me read five love languages right from the jump.

We're both number one touch. That's our highest form of showing and receiving love. That made it easy. That made it very easy. But I'm just saying, like of all the relationships books, the sex books, the this and the that, we've done it together.

It's not like I read it and was like, hey, you should check this out. And she was like, I'm busy. You know, she always said yes. And she said yes to open relationship because a lot of the messages I was getting from medicine were directing me to that experience, not to fuck other people, but for growth. And in particular for the growth of us as human beings of souls, having a human experience to be better guides for our children and better parents. And the pressures of that situation was the, the, the firewalk.

Right. And ultimately what we discovered is our highest level is a fucking big attractive force. And anyone we bring in, you know, we've been living together for 10 years. Anyone we bring in is going to be super attracted to that, almost to the point of clingy or attached, right? And if they haven't done their own work, they will get attached. And because monogamy is the primary collective consciousness, the morphic resonance of what we're used to, they may want us as a monogamous partner. And that was the case, right? So with that, I think that, and then you read more than two, An Ethical Guide to Polyamory, they really talk

about that being a big, a big problem for polyamorous couples is people that only want to remain monogamous because then it's never going to be even Stevens. If they don't have their own primary, it's never just going to work out that way. So we, you know, we learned all those things in the firewalk and it did make us better. And it brought us back to each other in a way where if I hadn't experienced that, I wouldn't appreciate her the way that I do. You know, having somebody else, having a girlfriend who didn't want to eat the way that we did, didn't want to eat, read how to move me healthy. It was just like, oh, this was shit we did in our first year. In our first year, we dumped gluten. And those are small ass examples, but they actually matter in a relationship where you're gonna spend a significant amount of time

with somebody. All my buddies back home, they wanna drink beer and watch football. That's cool, but I can't do that all the time. I'm on the bigger shit, and I like different drugs. I'll have a drink every now and then, maybe a handful, I can count on one hand probably how many times I drink in a year.

There's better ways for me to have an altered state of consciousness. There's better ways for me to celebrate. And even though there's no judgment there from them, like when I'm like, hey, I'm going to microdose acid at your wedding. Cool. They're cool with it. Or if I want to have kratom to party instead of alcohol, no one's like, dude, have a drink.

They're cool with that. But at a certain point, that becomes the thing that's not filling the cup and and that was certainly the case with our other partners um it was more work than was um the fruits of the relationship the the thread that i wanted to touch back on was I like the concept of embodied cognition or the way that the things that we're doing, the texture of this room, the density of this table, the temperature of the room, the ambient sounds, all those things, they change our physiology. And you were talking about doing stuff with your

significant other in this case taj um that being like a like a bonding experience and this connects over to another thing that relates to athletics and in trend focusing uh either intrinsically or extrinsically. So when we're, say, like you're hitting a golf ball, if you could be focused intrinsically on what's happening inside your own body, so you could be wrapped up in like, you know, make sure you get the external rotation in the shoulder girdle or feeling the pressure driving into the big toe or something like that.

Or you can put your focus extrinsically into you know the ball or into something outside of yourself and what happens with that when you do put that focused extrinsic instead of compared to intrinsic we end up being way more effective at life we self-organize so when we get too wrapped up inside of our own heads inside of our own selves it kind of gets confusing because it's hard to juggle all the, you know, 640 odd muscles and 360 odd joints. And it's just like a lot of stuff for you to be able to engage with and juggle within yourself. But if you can bring that attention outside of yourself and suddenly you run a lot better, you self-organize around a point. And when you're working with, you know,

say another person, you want to connect with somebody, a beautiful tool that you can do is go to an event. You know, you could go to really anything, go to like a musical show or go to, you know, watch a movie or something that you guys can both extrinsically engage with to self-organize and harmonize with each other and it makes you become more like synchronistic it makes you become more more like unicity you become more like each other and then you're like oh wow i can kind of like i feel this familiarity in you it's like oh it's because we're we're like we're we're clocking with each other we're like attuning to each other and the more that you can do that in a relationship or a friendship or a business relationship or anything, um, I think the

more successful that relationship become because you become mirrors and reflections to each other. And ultimately, you know, we like that. Yeah. And if you're reflecting the good vibes, you know, because you're doing experiences that are healing or just uplifting, you know, we had a – and shit changes too. Like Dr. Will Tagle told me this. His wife, Judith, just passed away. He's 81 now. She had a long battle.

But I actually haven't seen him, you know, since her passing. But, you know, as I've been working with him, he was well aware, you know, it's not like it was a shock. But he talked about how he's had multiple marriages with her throughout their marriage, you know, and so one of the, I think the Muscogee Creek tribe talked about having this annual renewal of agreements. So every January, they would sit and go over the agreements of the tribe, go over the agreements of the marriage, the relationship,

and they would discard things that no longer proved valuable, and they would add stuff where it needed to be based on the needs of the tribe or the marriage, and then they would add stuff where it needed to be based on the needs of the tribe or the marriage. And then they would, um, you know, re-agree basically to what agreements worked in the past. And so it was always fresh. It's a living marriage. It's not like you signed this contract 10 years ago and you fucking, you're the same people 80 years later, we're always changing, you know? And so I think about that, you know, my marriage with Tosh, we have had several marriages.

We had the marriage, as Will pointed out, we were married in our relationship prior to Bear's arrival. We were married when Bear came. We had the marriage with Bear. We were married when we opened our marriage with Bear. And we were married with Wolf and Bear in a closed marriage. And so all of these things are different marriages, and they all have different requirements.

We had a date night the other night where we watched Dune, and it was in bed with a laptop and a splitter, the same splitter we're using right now to listen to each other. We had headphones in, little earbuds, and we watched Dune from a MacBook Air. And it's like, it's not the same as going to the theater, but that's what is required for us to fucking have a good time right now

and to not come home to screaming children and a clingy wolf who's only one years old. You know, like, let's just roll with that and lean into it. And it was fucking awesome. D only one years old, you know, like, like, let's just roll with that and lean into it. And it was fucking awesome doing super dope, you know, but it was a great experience that we got to share together. We're snuggling. I almost prefer it to go into the movies because we got to lay right next to each other and it was super comfortable. And, um, you know, we didn't have to drive anywhere. We just roll right over and go back to sleep. And so I think of things like that, like the willingness to grow together,

the willingness to say yes to the uncertainty and the willingness also to let go of the needing to be right. And at the same time, the willingness to change and adapt over time because whatever those agreements are at first and however useful they prove to be, a fresh relook at those things really does matter. And that should be true of where you work. It should be true of your role at the job you have. It should be true of every

relationship you hold because everything's dynamic. You know know like the only constant here is change in the 3d so the more we say yes to that um and really take inventory of our lives we that increases our awareness around the things that are working the things that aren't it gives us uh a greater sense of freedom in the choices that we have on what we what we elect who we choose to be going forward yeah when you guys are watching dune and you guys are both tapped into the splittery of the headphones in going back to the the same previous thread of like the harmonization and all that stuff um i think that that's what you're doing is like you're reclocking to each other you know by sharing that mutually you know this extrinsic extrinsic experience where you're both engaging outward into the screen and having the audio experience, but you're also synchronizing to each other.

And that harmony between two people, it feels good. It feels like music. I wonder if there's some kind of like musical conversation to couples starting to deharmonize you know and come apart and then i think that if you do have like maybe like a side piece or something or you got like another life like some people have kids and wives that their wife doesn't know about you know so having that other synchronicity over there that other harmonization over there and then having to re-harmonize back into this other space and then having to retune and

re-harmonize back into this other space it can be i think probably quite convoluted oh absolutely and like to feel like cacophony the and then eventually it's like well how long can we keep running this the lie well yeah the lie or this this just this lack of harmony this is a beautiful conversation i mean they're always great but in particular to me because um my intention at the beginning of this year was twofold number one i wanted to heal my relationships to plant medicine because a year ago today, I was in hell from fucking dark night of the soul with five MEO. And I talked about that on the dark night of the soul solo cast that I did, but it's been a year, you know, solstice was yesterday. And I was like, Oh shit, I've come a long way.

Thanks to Paul and check. And thanks to the work that I've done, but it was to heal my relationship with the medicine because I've gained so much from it. And two, the biggest, the biggest one, the overarching one was I am in harmony with myself. I am in harmony with my family and I'm in harmony with God. And that word's interchangeable to nature, the all consciousness, humanity, society. It's everything, everything outside of me and my family, which we're not outside of, we're not separate, but looking at those three things, that's really, you know, my inner circle of me, the next concentric circle of family and importance, and then the broadest circle of everything that I see and experience in the world, which directly affected the dark night

of the soul because of what I was seeing in the world at the time when I went into that ceremony. So yeah, harmony. I think that's such a key piece there. You know, even in the thing too with Polly is that even when it is on the up and up, right? And it's not in secrecy and you're not holding a lie and you have made a new agreement to do it. And you refresh that agreement like, hey, let's keep going. This is hard, but let's keep trying it. And everyone's on board. One of the things that really shifted my perspective on this, it's something that I had a feeling about, but couldn't put words to. Jamie Will put words to it when he was on the podcast. And he said, you know, in all of his talks at Burning Man and with different groups that had done not mandatory open relationship, but it was a prominent thing amongst the permaculture, you know, events that there are permaculture societies that were growing in Costa Rica and different parts of the world, Domino in Northern Italy. And one of the things he said was,

anything under 50 doesn't work. You know, Dr. Dan told me that too. Anything under 50 doesn't work. What does that mean? These experts, like if you're living in a polyamorous situation, you need more than 50 people. Otherwise, it's too hard. There's too much attachment. You know, so like, again, that broadens it back to Chris Ryan.

If you're living in a polyamorous situation, you're talking about like a tribe or like 50 partners? Not 50 partners. What Dan was saying, Dr. Dan Engel was saying was that to do it with less, you don't have the container for conflict resolution. You don't have the container of, I see you having the same hard experience as me. How did you get through it? Right?

And so, you know, in, in a smaller group, uh, it makes it a lot harder. And in the larger group, it makes it a lot easier. It doesn't mean it's not hard, but that's something Dan said. Uh, what Jamie Willett said on the podcast was in all of his talks with all these, you know, different groups that have done it and done it, been successful with it through all the troubles and everything. It's still not the thing you think it is. People come and go. You move into this thing, you do it for 10 years,

you're like, fuck it, I can't hang, I gotta get out. And then someone new comes in. So it's always shifting and evolving. It's not like I'm painting a picture of something that's constant. But one of the things he said universally in all of that he has tracked in his learning was, you can have a primary partner or a husband or a wife or like your primary, like this is my person, even though we say fuck marriage, right? This is my person. You can have children. You can have extra partners, boyfriends, girlfriends, flings,

whatever. And you can have a vocation. And the vocation is not just your job, how you pay the bills. It's not the post office or Amazon delivery. Those aren't bad things, but they're not vocation. Your vocation is like your gift to the world, the thing that wakes you up and keeps you going through the job that you don't like, the thing that drives you the most, the thing that you're most passionate about. It's the thing that you, it's your greatest gift. It's your legacy you leave, right? That vocation, he said, so primary, children,

extra partners, vocation, pick three. Anyone that chooses four will bleed themselves too thin that all other relationships start to crumble. You will fail as a father or a mother. You will fail as a husband or a wife. You will fail in succeeding with your extra partners. You will fail in your vocation. No one amongst the thousands of people he's talked to that have done it the

longest says they can pull off all four. And right when he said that, I was like, fuck man, that's it. That's totally it. Like I was at the point, I think I said on the podcast,

I'd rather learn native American flute than have, or, or handpan. I'd rather learn handpan than have a girlfriend. It's too demanding having a vocation and having kids and having my wife. So Paul is really exclusively available for people without kids then essentially what you're saying. Or if you have kids and you're married or you could, you could have kids and be divorced or you could have kids and be married and not have a vocation, you know, where your

vocation and look, there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm going to be super clear on this to, to say like somebody might initially say, all right, you're married, you have kids and you have extra partners and you do nothing for the world. Then no, you have kids. That's the fucking, that's numero uno for the future. That's number one. And as long as you're not stretching yourself thin with that, extra partners can be a beautiful thing if it's harmonious to your kids, especially to your kids. You know, people are like, what about the children? What about the children? To this day, the partners that we selected, only one each, are very much involved in our lives. They're very much still auntie and uncle. They're very much still auntie and

uncle. They're very much still a part of the equation, you know, and we love them and we have a working relationship with them. It just didn't work with the physical tie. You know what I'm saying? And that doesn't exclude us from play parties and shit like that in the future, because those are one-off singular events where we do come in with the same intention. And when we leave that night, we go home with each other, right? There's no, hey, mom's sleeping at so-and-so's house or any of those hard conversations

we didn't need to have with our kids that people eventually do have if they have kids. And that's not to say that that's an insurmountable hill you can't climb. It certainly is. And I know people that have kids that have made that work and they're fucking awesome parents. They're awesome partners. I fucking love them dearly. Um, they do a great job, you know, but, but to say that you can have all four, I think that's really what he was getting to, You know, it does stretch one too thin. It does become a thing where you're like, I can't keep up, you know?

And one of the things, if we stay connected to technology, is this upramp. And we've talked about this before, you know, like kids, the screen time, they can measure the average screen, the average video kids watch has become shorter and shorter and shorter over time, right? You know, 15 minute videos don't do it. It's a five minute video. Five minute videos are out. It's a one minute video. One minute videos are out. Go to TikTok, you know, get a fucking 15 second roll, whatever the case is. It's shorter and shorter attention

spans. The counter to that is this long form media through podcasting, larger videos on YouTube, those kinds of things and conversation, right? Oh man, I just lost my thread here. How does a person with something that happens to me occasionally is, well, not occasionally, pretty consistently is a like thirst for sexual variety upon engaging in a more like, you know, like a monogamous relationship to me historically makes me veer into wanting what I can't have.

Yeah. And it feels very immature, but it's something that I witnessed in myself where it's like, okay, once that's, once that's the case, suddenly I'm like, oh man,

variety would really make me feel way hotter for this person that I'm in love with. It does. You know, that was a cool side effect was it was like. But then I don't want to hurt the person. Right. And I don't want to. It's like, I don't know if the relationship doesn't have roots yet to sustain that unless we're both engaged in the same kind of. And then that makes it harder.

Right. So they talk about that in more than two where. And then can I entertain them having variety because then I get too jealous. I'm very immature. Yeah. Well, these are. Variety for me.

We weren't brought up that way. That's an important thing to understand. We're not brought up that way. And as Paul Cech stated, you're not just going against your own thoughts around the issue. You're going against the morphic resonance of the whole field of the collective. And that's a lot to unpack.

You know, the seeking of novelty is always going to be there. Your attraction to other people is always going to be there. That's why you're like, oh, a creepy old man was looking at that 20-year-old running by. It's like, he doesn't fucking see himself as 70. Right. He sees the hot 20-year-old the same as he did when he was fucking 20 or 15 looking up at the 20 year old saying like, Oh man, if I had her, right. Um, that doesn't go away. And as soon as we can acknowledge that, then we can actually, you know, dispel the creepiness around that. And this isn't

saying like fucking 80 year olds should be with 15 year olds or any of that stuff. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying like the fire stays alive, right? We do want novelty. And with that, if we can acknowledge that there are different ways to get that and that there are templates that make things a little easier. And one thing that, that Jamie brought up was like on from a global perspective, conservative versus liberal. Especially when it comes to psychedelics, we talked talked alistair crowley and how many cohorts of his died you know in his sex magic practices like the the reason there are rails set up or the reason when you go to the triple black diamond and it's a triple black diamond and it says do not go on this side of

the park is because this side of the park is deadly. So they show you where to go. They're way showers and within a container, you are safer, right? So it's hard for us to track how do we appropriately do that poly with less containers that have worked out successfully. It's not new to the game of humanity, but it's new in rekindling that. What do you think we do with pedophilia? Well, we can dive into that. But really what I want to get to on this is that

don't feel guilty about wanting other people. Don't feel immature about wanting other people. That doesn't go away. And truthfully, having another partner made me love Tosh more and be more attracted to her because I was like, oh, we know, we have some perfection. There's a level of, I know every spot on you to get to. I've mastered in some ways your body and she mine, right?

And then the newness is like, oh, this is dope. It's new relationship energy. It's strange. It feels different. She's better at this or worse at this or whatever the case is. That's different. And the different is awesome. But the different also highlights how awesome my partner is. And that was a beautiful side effect. What Jamie was speaking to is that once you've built that, you know, 10 years, 15 years of being with somebody, you know, your

ability to bring someone up to that level, they're always at a disadvantage. They'll never fucking make it there. There's nothing you can do. There's no plant medicine. There's no sex practice that gets someone the extra 15 years that you have with the partner you're with, right? It just doesn't work that way or even five years for that matter. So don't try to make them that. And what you're seeking can be done with your primary. And that's really what Recapture the Rapture is all about. It's like, we're seeking novelty. We want peak experience and we can do that. And he has, you know, the A to Z, like here's your low hanging fruit, Own meditations that rev her up. Semen retention for you that rev you up and keep you ready to go at all times.

That's non-drug, can be done fairly easily. It can be consistent. So you're always turned on and then you live, as Cech says, libido is not just your sex drive, it's life force energy, right? So you raise the life force energy of each other. Now, what can you create? What can you do together?

How easy is it to dissolve conflict, right, from that space? And then you can enter into different peak experiences, you know, every full moon or once a month or whatever, and look, I haven't done much of this with Tosh, but I'm seeing a door that leads to a whole new set of experiences with her that we get to try. And we don't get to try yet i have to be patient i have to wait for that until both of our kids are in school and we can actually

have the house to ourselves i have to wait for that to to you know get a babysitter when they're both babysitter age and instead of going to the movies and dinner we hire the babysitter we fucking do hotel roulette we find a five-star hotel that's super cheap the night of, and we go there and destroy the place doing sex magic on a variety of chemicals that have been prescribed to us, and we fucking do the peak experience that is completely novel, that is not just the experience of ultimate orgasm and bliss, but the experience of unicity,

where it's a fucking psychedelic altered state of consciousness done in unity. And he has the maps for that. And so that to me is like, Oh, I get it. I get that. And I, and I haven't experienced it yet. I mean, we have on the tail end of mushrooms in the past had peak fucking sexual experiences that are like nothing else. And it doesn't, the, one of the beautiful things about that and the conversation of hungry ghosts is that it's satiating. It's not something where I now demand that every time we fuck, we got to have psilocybin. Like that would get old quick. Right. It's one of those where it's like, holy shit. Um, that wasn't the primary reason we did ceremony, but on the back end of ceremony, wow, there's nothing like that.

And for me to understand that there are ways to do that without the heroic dose of psilocybin, that to me is really cool because it is satisfying the need for novelty, even though it's not here yet. Pedophilia. Yeah. So I think with the variety, the thing that one can do that you're expanding on, and this I think is pretty obvious, but creating variety within the experience of the container of a single individual. So I think if you're doing the same thing over and over again, like any person, no matter who it is, the hottest whatever actor, person in your dreams, you're doing the same thing with them over and over again like any person no matter who it is the hottest whatever actor your person of your dreams you're doing the same thing with them over and over again it gets old it's like listening to your favorite song you know it's like wow that song just like like i was like like brought me to tears the first 18 times i listened to it and now i kind of can't stand it you know just if i hear another freaking same thing. It's like, I already get it.

Like we demand that and we can engage in that with another person by going to the hotel thing or maybe altering consciousness could be an option. And then also acknowledging that altering consciousness can mean so many things, which is a thing that I always lean back anytime we're talking about psychedelics. The full breakdowns in there, right?

Yeah, the full breakdowns. Yeah, changing your filter. Listening to... But environmental changes really do a pretty impeccable job at changing the filter. And that's the... We've talked about this before as well,

but I think that it's such appropriate language to describe psychedelics as a trip because it literally is like that's one version of trip. Another version of trip is taking your significant other to Italy, you know, and going on a litter. We got on an airplane and we stayed in this new place and it's new languages and new food and new tech cobblestone streets. And it's all this is like, wow, like what a trip. And you come back and it completely changes you

know your perception of your partner in the world hell yeah yeah yeah i'm with all that and you know what you're speaking to like just from a music standpoint we have a state change from listening to the best of tchaikovsky or christmas music or fucking the new hip hop or, and it said there's, I listen to all, you know, I listen to country now that I'm in Texas and dig it. Um,

country's cool. The state, it fucking certainly is. There's something nice about it. I've never liked country. It's like the, I've always like whenever people ask, like,

what's your favorite music? I'm like anything but country. Like that's like, that was my standard back in the day. Very typical response. But there's something about being in Texas and listening to country. Like, we were driving out to the Aubrey Ranch the other day and listening to country on the way there. And, like, watching, you know, freaking birds flying by and going through fields and all that stuff.

And it's just, like, there's something. Maybe it's, like like the simplicity of it. It's just about your beer and your truck and your girl. There's something really, really lovely about it, actually. I'm changing my mind about it. Have you had that experience since moving out here? Absolutely. Like the environment potentiates the music.

Yeah. Well, no doubt. I mean, every time, when I grew up, I wasn't a fan of mariachi. And the second I went to Mexico and heard it live, I was like, this is the fucking jam. You know, we have a neighbor who passed away earlier this year, a big Mexican dude,

you know, and his big Mexican family that all lives there. And he loved Bear. You know, he was the only other guy in the block. And he loved bear. You know, we do, he was the only other guy in the block that had a banana tree. So bear would always talk to him. He was like, when are you going to get bananas? You know, and great, great dude, loved gardening like we do. And, um, he passed away and, uh, they had the funeral, you know, we weren't, it was my neighbor.

It's not like I was invited to his funeral, but we did get invited to the celebration they had in front, in front of their house outdoors, where they brought in the same mariachi that played at his funeral, and they had the urn there, and a bunch of pictures of him throughout his life, and his kids were there. And it was just a very felt experience that really mattered.

But that thing, the where you're at with the music, it does make a huge difference. It's interesting. No doubt. The thought, I think it's easy. I tend to hold my ideas very lightly and my opinions very lightly because I've just witnessed them change

with such great consistency over the years and things that I felt really strongly about. Suddenly, you know, six months later, I learned some new information or I have an experience. I'm like, oh, yeah, I totally disagree with myself from six months ago. And I think it's an interesting thing to reflect or observe of like our idea and like our tastes of what we like because so much of what we like is based off of our environmental conditions you know and so you'd like mariachi music or country music or really anything like it like the the idea of of identifying with a specific music of like this is what i like i think almost unanimously it's a product of just the environment that you grew up in.

You know, it's almost like religion. Yeah, the concept of what you like is, I think it's like way, way, I don't know, less grounded or fuzzier than what we think. Yeah. Well, it's exposure, right? And the willingness. Like we, from a relationship standpoint, Tasha and I both had a willingness to grow together. We had a willingness to change. And if you, that's just open, right? Not open relationship, but that's an open mind and open heart. And when you carry that to culture, when you carry that to people, to food, I know a lot of people that are like, ah,

I wouldn't fucking try that. You know, I'm not going to try bull testicle or I'm not going to try this. Like, I'll try that, but I'm not going to try this. Like, if you're open yourself and you try it, there's better things than organ meat as far as flavor is concerned. But then you get to try it. And if you try it on, you're like, oh, this is fucking dope.

Especially when it's in the context and container of the people who brought it to you. You know, like, I love eating Mexican food, but I love, love, love eating Mexican food with a mariachi in Mexico. Like, that's the fucking jam you you know like i love eating mexican food but i love love love eating mexican food with a mariachi in mexico yeah that's the fucking jam you know so um yeah i think it's it's you know are you willing to connect to that and open yourself up to receive something else and if you do that enough then you're like it just expands you if you're too clingy to your uh this is another like charged word with lots of different subjective meanings

but your ego or like your personality uh or your id you know or whatever you know whatever you want to say about um then you will be more restricted in your capacity to derive joy from the plethora of circumstances that we have available. Yeah. Yeah. You're, you're speaking like the identity, right?

Like how you identify. Yeah. It's like, Oh, I'm not, you know, I'm not, I'm not gay.

I'm not gay. You know, like I'm not in a country. I'm not, you know, whatever the thing is. It's like you're yes. And you are,

cause you are everything that ever was and ever will be. And if you are more flexible in your identity structure, and then you can be placed into a mosh pit or a classical music venue and be equally moved by that experience. And it's like Bruce Lee martial arts stuff. It's like be like water. And then if you're too squishy, then you have no containment. So then you get into like elements. And like, well, that's why you want to be also like wood,

and also be like fire. And I think that that really gets into like being like a master of this life thing. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that too, what you're speaking to is, um, you know, archetypically in King, we're a magician lover. The, the, the shadow archetype of the lover is one that seeks love with the infinite. And that can show up as the Don one archetype, you know, the Casanova who,s everyone but is never satisfied with it. That can show up as the drug addict who is constantly seeking the next high but never

gets satiated from it. And then what balances these? The king and the magician balance each other and the warrior and the lover balance each other. The warrior knows structure. It knows balance. It has clarity and discernment. And it serves the highest ideal of the kingdom, the

highest ideal of Aaron Alexander or Kyle Kingsbury, the highest ideal of my family, the highest ideal of our community, of the world itself. And through that service sees clearly and faces life frontally. There's no wishy-washiness about it. There's no, it's steadfast in its approach to life. And so those two really balance each other. And every, you know, I imagine since this, we're in the eternal now and everything that has ever happened or will ever happen is happening in this moment, that we have access to that. We have access to balance ourselves and harmonize where we're at by saying yes to the next experience or the now experience that, that helps us expand. And that helps us, you know, find our center and then move out from that center and then find the center again, and then move out from that center.

And I think as we do that, if we're not tied up in the illusion of identity and, and I'm think of all the fucking genders right now, you know, and it's like, okay, that's a way to know yourself. Are you mad at any of that? No,

I think, I think it's a, it's a, it's, um, the madness of crowds by Douglas Murray. I've mentioned it a thousand times on this podcast really illuminates the pitfalls of some of that thinking. But truly,

I mean, I, like I'm at the point where it's like, if you want me to call you dolphin, I'm fucking down. I'll call you dolphin. It doesn't bother me either way. If you're an adult and you choose to say, like, I'm a fucking sprite from Ireland, you know,

and I, whatever, fairy or this or that, and you wear wings everywhere, cool. Or you're a mermaid, cool. this or that. You wear wings everywhere. Cool. Or you're a mermaid. Cool. That's cool. It's when we, you know, the parts around that that make it sticky is we should have children select that. We should have children decide which sex they are. We should have children decide gender. We should have children, you know, and it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we don't let them vote. We don't let them drive. We don't let them drink alcohol. There's a whole number of, an infinite number of reasons for that. And ultimately on a spiritual level.

It's like structure creates freedom. Yeah. You know, excessive freedom creates contraction. Yeah. We're oscillating back and forth between this, right? So the idea then, if we're, you know, the pendulum swinging wider and wider in the division, and at the same time, it's waking a lot of people up to the point that this is an infinite expression

of self where we can find harmony in the chaos. And that contraction that we're going to see is a contraction back to harmony, because all we see right now, not in nature, but in the nature of society where we're at right now, a lot is chaos. A lot is disharmony. A lot is division. And I think that ultimately will rebound us to a point of harmony before we experience the next 80 year cycle of a high, an awakening, an unraveling and a crisis. Yeah. an awakening, an unraveling, and a crisis. Yeah, and it's interesting,

the one that there's something along the lines, Plato said something like excessive democracy leads to, I think, tyranny or authoritarianism. Oh, wow, he called it. And the same thing, so that's like, you know, as above, so below. You know, like the way that culture below you know like the way that culture operates is comparable the way that the human body operates um and you know forgive my relating like

everything that we talk about back to the body but it's like the primary lens that i'm always kind of trying to poke into but i mean that's the way it works in in the body as well like you have basic fundamental guidelines on how to move effectively and how to integrate the system so that you you know it's like learning classical ballet you know you go in you create those foundations understanding you know spinal neutrality or intra-abdominal pressure or you know just general full body integration or alignment. And then that potentiates the freedom to start to go into some more like wobbly, wacky, wild type formations, but you still have integrity while you navigate those different movement patterns. And I think that's the thing that we sometimes see in like the new age psychedelic kind of, not always psychedelic, but like the new age psychedelic kind of,

not always psychedelic, but like the new age, the way that people, like the stereotypical new agers move sometimes is very ungrounded, you know? And then like they go to ecstatic dance and they do the same.

These are things that I enjoy. I like to go to ecstatic dance or whatever. But oftentimes you see kind of the same like ungrounded, unstable, wobbly, you know, like what's the floaty guy in front of car dealerships? He just like goes, wibbly wobbly, you know, whatever. I'm thinking of Family Guy. Yeah, whatever that guy.

You see a lot of that, you know, and if we went an excessive amount of that, that body isn't really able to derive power, know but if we can marry the two you know marry democracy and you know you know marry the you know the opposite of that and marry democrats and republicans and like libertarians and gay and hetero and black and like all of that that's i think where it's like then you're really again coming back to like then you're getting like master level but if you're excessively myopic or tunnel vision with any one one stance i think it's just like a limited human experience in a way

and it leads you to being like you know less able to kick ass you know and and suffering right you know because there's there's yeah instant instability leads to suffering yeah it might feel cool at first whoo like no rules yeah yeah that was cool for like two days yeah yeah burning man ended all right back to the grind. Yeah. Yeah. There's a ton of truth in that. Well, look, we've got a short while left here. You just reimagined, retuned, redesigned your book. Yeah. Talk about that, brother.

Yes, the line method. We have an expanded, revised version coming out January 11th, which I don't know when this goes out, but it's – It'll be out in two days, so probably a little bit before that. Oh, snap. All right, well, it's up on Amazon for presale, and it'll be in bookstores and all that stuff. But, yeah, the book, essentially, it is the –

it's connecting the dots from the masters that I've gathered information from, ranging from, you know, like Andrew Huberman, he helped out with the visual chapter, and had Brian McKenzie and Patrick McEwen help with the breathing chapter, had Kelly Starr help out, had Wim Hof went through the breathing chapter, had all these really impeccable, amazing minds, you know, had the opportunity to be able to bring their concepts and their ideas together into one book. And I think that the thing with, you know, you or I, and maybe, maybe, maybe a lot of people listen to this, we have, it's our vocation to engage with reading all these individual books, you know,

and then recording the podcast with them and then taking the notes and, you know, but for most people, I think that it's, it's really valuable for us to have a, um, a simplistic digestible manual on how to drive this body. And I think it's just,

it's like unbelievable that we've never gathered that in elementary school like we learn how to do but not how to be we don't understand how to the mechanics of breathing and the fact that you were just covered in all of these toggles these levers that cause your physiology to maybe upregulate and be more attentive you know know, and ready to go, or maybe downregulate and be available for sleep and rest and digestion and healing. And it's just, I mean, it's just generally, it's just interesting to me that culturally, that's not something that's just baked in, you know, and so what the Align method is, is it is that manual, I think that we, we, we really did nail it on creating a concise, easy-to-digest manual of pretty much everything you would need to know if you were an alien and you were incarnated into a human body.

And it was like, okay, like how do I work this thing? You know, how do I leverage the power of touch or the power of sound or the power of smell or taste or my vision or you know how do i get leverage out of my this body you know like well the hips they seem important they're real big they're real strong you know like how do i what's the baseline of how to drive this body really effectively um you know and that And that's what the Align method is. And we added a new chapter in the end as well. It's kind of like the Align Bikram movement flow, where it's 22 positions,

and it's like an easy way for someone to go through, you know, from feet to feet to hands and just clean up all the different little nooks and crannies of their, their joints. Um, and so that's the, the addition at the end is, is just really focusing on movement, you know, people that they can like an integrational movement specifically. And, uh, yeah, I'm really excited about it. That's, that's out January 11th, but up for presalesale now, the Align method. Fuck yeah, brother. We'll link to that in the show notes. I absolutely love you.

I love every time we get a chance to sit and chat. Yeah, man, me too. And always more to come. Your podcast? The Align podcast. And we'll get one with you on there whenever I'm down. If people are interested, people who listen to this probably would like the Bruce Lipton. Have you done one with Bruce Lipton?

I did, and I recorded over it. Yeah, I threw that Zoom. It was an H4. I threw that in the trash after that trip. I had five podcasts. He was one. But Bruce Lipton is a hero of mine. He has...

I often refer to him on this podcast. He's great. He's the first one that turned me on. His book, Biology of Belief, turned me on because I was really, I did an Instagram post yesterday about this. It was like an Arnold Schwarzenegger. He was talking in the background

and talking about, you know, whatever, how he does bodybuilding and stuff, but inspirational thing. But it was an interesting thing to have that reflection of. became really almost like unhealth not almost completely unhealthily obsessed with bodybuilding 20 years ago and it was a very interesting thing to uh one just it was it was kind of weird seeing hearing that voice and like seeing a video of me doing kind of weightlifting stuff and it's like wow like journey you know like what you know life 20 years um but bruce lipton you know about two years into that body

building journey i got exposed to biology of belief and i was doing personal training at the time and that was really like a pretty quintessential like catalyst for me to start to engage in a more of like a mind body conversation so i owe a lot to bruce lipton being like a like a pathway oh yeah so it's very cool to get to you know go out to his house in california and he lives right down the street from my dad oh yeah super cool yeah he gave me he gave me a jar of homegrown cannabis that's dope yes i had but i like i that was a pretty good i had like my my jar of bruce lipton ganja it was like my idol i had like that goes on the shrine you can't smoke it you just stare at it and appreciate it yeah when i went when i went home i sat that down. I was like, all right.

I've arrived. This is when I was 16 to have this moment at 34 and be able to let the jar from the man. I was like, okay, cool. Powerful. Keep going. Hell yeah. We'll link to that in the show notes too so people can check that out.

I love Bruce and have a fondness very similar, brother. Yes, sweetie. I appreciate you so much. Oh, yeah. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Thank you.