Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #240 Tim Kennedy

Episode Date: February 21, 2022

This one has been a long time coming. This gets heavy with as much of his origin story as we could fit into our time constraints and one of all parents’ deepest fears almost coming true for me. All I can say is that I’m fully humbled to know the caliber of a man such as Tim Kennedy. Please enroll in his Sheepdog courses and follow his work. Connect with Tim:   Website: timkennedymma.com  https://sheepdogresponse.com  https://apogeecedarpark.org  Instagram: @timkennedymma  Facebook: Tim Kennedy MMA  Twitter: @TimKennedyMMA  YouTube: Tim Kennedy  Sponsors:   Optimal Carnivore Visit www.amazon.com/optimalcarnivore and use the code:  “KINGSBU10” to receive 10% off all products: Organ Complex and Grass-fed Liver  Organifi Go to organifi.com/kkp to get my favorite way to easily get the most potent blend of high vibration fruits, veggies and other goodies into your diet! Click that link and use code “KKP” at checkout for 20% off your order! Bioptimizers To get the ’Magnesium Breakthrough‘ deal exclusively for fans of the podcast, click the link below and use code word “KINGSBU10” for an additional 10% off. magbreakthrough.com/kingsbu  Lucy Go to lucy.co and use codeword “KKP” at Checkout to get 20% off the best nicotine gum in the game, or check out their lozenge. Connect with Kyle:   Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service Academy  Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys   Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com  Zion Node: https://getzion.com/ > Enter PubKey  >PubKey: YXykqSCaSTZNMy2pZI2o6RNIN0YDtHgvarhy18dFOU25_asVcBSiu691v4zM6bkLDHtzQB2PJC4AJA7BF19HVWUi7fmQ   Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

Eric Clapton, we're backton. This is a podcast. It's very few times that I get to say a podcast has been years in the making. Obviously, I just had David Icahn and that was probably, I mean, at least two years in the making. I hadn't reached out to him because I just wanted to really dive into David's work. Over the last two two years since I'd been listening to him on London Real and his talks on transhumanism and all sorts of shit. But there was so much I just didn't want to be true that I was like, man, maybe one day. And, um, see, I'm going to have David on. I was like, oh, this is legit years in the making. I'm fucking been diving into this guy's work for the last two years solid. Everything that he said prior to that has come to fruition.

And yeah, it was years in the making. And it was dope. I love that fucking episode. If you haven't listened to it, listen to it. I think it's one of my favorite episodes. Obviously, I'm a homer. But that's one of my favorite episodes I've ever heard with what type of content David brought up. This episode is also years in the making.

And I'll say that for multiple reasons. Tim Kennedy and my path have crossed multiple times. Thankfully, I never had to look across from him in an octagon. Big thankfully, not because he's my buddy, but because he's a fucking ferocious, oversized Tasmanian devil. And yeah, I've been a fan of Tim's for a very long time. When I first got to Onnit, you know, four years ago,

I immediately went through Onnit's sponsored roster and people that were homies, you know, the friends of the family at Onnit. And Tim was one of those guys, you know, they have four bands, they've consolidated. There used to be like all these jerseys and fight gloves and um signed hockey sticks and like that all throughout the walls here and on it and i always thought like man this is cool and then they consolidated down to four it's just joe rogan tim kennedy i think michelle watterson and um i forget the homie from uh former db for the Seahawks.

That's it. That's it now. And so it really is Rogan and Kennedy. You know, like Kennedy still has his flag flying high here on it. And I still record here at Aubrey Marcus' office frequently. We recorded here today. I'm doing the ad reads here right now. And the way I see it, it's years in the making.

Because, you know, I've always wanted to know Tim. Even when my teammate, Luke Rockhold, fought Tim, I loved him. You know, he's just one of those guys who's like, fuck yeah. I mean, he's polarizing in many ways. Some people are like, this guy's too much. Who the fuck is he? And you're like, oh, he's some, you know, special ops, fucking crazy MMA fighter, whatever. When you get to know Tim, you see brilliance. It's the first thing I notice about him is an attention to detail. And this is true amongst a lot of special ops guys and quite a few more fighters than most people understand, but he's just someone I want to be around. He's got a magnetism. He has the ability to make me feel safe. I'm six, three, 230 pounds with

professional fight experience. Um, but there's, there's something about him, you know, and he's a father and a husband and a fucking teddy bear. Um, so just amazing qualities that I've always seen in this guy. And when I lived here, you know, he invited me to go shooting and I'm like, Oh, I got a Glock. Can I run home? He's like, yeah, go ahead, man. We'll be at the range. They meet up with them, get some training in with him. And Jeff Gonzalez, the lead instructor there, former Navy SEAL, who's, who's been on the podcast as well. Just tremendous people I've been able to meet through Tim. I did Tim Kennedy sheepdog course, the basic, you know, beginner's level and learned a fuck ton in two and a half days. I highly, highly recommend it

for people. No matter what your level of experience is, you will learn something in that, whether it's in the half day debriefing on the why and the execution to what are the acronyms and the nomenclature of things that you're expected to learn and know by the end of that? How do you, what is your normal operating frequency? Are you, you know, switched off on your phone, like same level of consciousness as when you sleep, or are you aware of your surroundings? You know, many of these things that I, that I thought were fascinating and useful. I never knew would, whew, man, I never knew would mean so much to me in my personal life. And this podcast, we go pretty fucking deep.

It is not surprising to me that we have not podcast until now. And that comes out in the podcast. It's pretty hard for me to keep it together as I tell a story of something that happened to my family and I within the last week, right at our house, right down the street from our house in our neighborhood.

Powerful podcast, one of my all-time favorites. Tim, one of my all-time favorite humans. I love you, brother. Thank you for being who you are. And thank you for teaching what you know, because it's one thing to hold that power in your hands and know that you can protect your own ass. It's another thing to say,

this is my mission to help create sovereign people that can look out for the people who cannot look out for themselves. He's giving gifts that are unquantifiable. It is unquantifiable, the value of having my family remain intact. And I thank you for that, Tim. There are a number of ways you can support this podcast. First and foremost, leave us a five-star rating or just share it with your homies. Take less time, hit the copy link button and just share it with your friends on iTunes, YouTube,

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my brother and dear friend, Tim Kennedy. Yeah, he's people. I like this office. It always just feels... My office is different. Yeah. You need to... You just cannot wait. I want to check it out. Yeah, I can't fucking wait. I'll be there. It's like big, huge elk, bunch of war stuff,

the founding of the Green Berets, the OSS. Like it's- Fuck yeah. It's good. It's got a good vibe. It's got a good vibe. Yeah. Well, I like any, anywhere, anytime you go somewhere and you could tell like somebody's really put thought

and energy into the environment that they're creating. You know, like this is like all of the things that have impacted Ob from, you know, the native Americans to there's a super dope book on indigenous tribes. And it's, I think it's something like before they're forgotten. And so it's like modern photos of all the tribes that are left, all the indigenous that are left on earth. It's fucking right.

Samurai sword. Yeah. Samurai sword, the Bushido. And then he's got the original on it. All the OG on it stuff. And then all the Amazonian art, you know? So it's, it's a, it's definitely a vibe. We're making a studio right now, right off Congress, where we'll be able to handle, cause you know,

this is our office space for the fit for service team now in selling on it. Aubrey kept it. So we'd still have a home base, but we're podcasting now. So all the rest of the team can fuck off and that's unfortunate, right? So we'll have that just for podcasts. And then this'll be a place where anybody can meet any time of day and not worry about- South Congress or Congress? Yeah. South Congress, right off the Ben White. So super easy to get to. Well, dude, I mean, it's been four, five, it's been five years since I moved here. I wanted you on from the jump. And I think you'd just gone on Aubrey's podcast and it was like,

oh, okay, I'll give some space there. So that way there's not fucking, there's been an odd number of times where we've released the same guest in the same week. And it was like, all right, we can do better about spacing that out. But here we are, dude. I mean, and it's perfect because you've got, you always have a lot on your plate, like period. That's just fucking, there's no breaks in you. But you got a lot that's coming out right now. And you've been up to a lot. And I've been able to participate

in one of the sheepdog courses, which just fucking blew me away and was so rad. And I want to talk about that. But considering this is your first time on my show, talk about life growing up. Talk about what drove you to become the person that you are today. I had an odd life growing up. My dad was a narcotics officer and he was revolutionary and really broke the mold about

how we would approach drugs. He didn't care. When you look back at the 70s, 80s, and 90s, where they're like doing big dope buys of marijuana, he's looking at meth. He's looking at heroin. He's looking at heroin. He's looking at, you know, the cartels, not even that he cared about Coke, but Coke was funding the cartels like Pablo Escobar.

Like this is peak war on drugs. And, you know, this is a father that had a red phone in a closet that if we answered, you know, like we'd have cover stories about what my dad was doing. And because most cops work really easy hours, so it'd be really easy for a drug dealer to call a cop's number. And if he's not there from nine to five or during a shift work, cool, I got a cop. So super simple. Whereas if he's calling this red phone,

we would be like, oh, my dad's outside barbecuing right now, even if he's out doing a surveillance or a buy. And my brother and I, six, seven, eight years old, going into car garages, opening glove boxes to pull out names of who owned the car because my dad couldn't get a warrant to get in there. And he wanted to know which ultimately would lead to a warrant, flying to Costa Rica to take a plane full of cocaine from Pablo Escobar and flying it to the United States. This is way before Fast and Furious, where then they distributed said cocaine and then arrested all of the purchasers and distributors on the United States side and not lost a gram of cocaine. Like this is legit early police work where he would take

meth. He was a brilliant chemist in undergrad before he even went to law enforcement and figured out how to make meth. We had an entire chemistry meth lab at my house and he would be able to figure out, okay, I could use pseudomethrin to replace this ingredient and I can buy that over the counter. So all the things that we know now in 2022 about like how much NyQuil pills I can buy, they're limited for a reason. And that was because of legislation that my dad really spearheaded to be able to protect people from really dangerous drugs. That's a weird thing to have that be normal as a four-year-old, a five-year-old, a six-year-old, where I remember so clearly, my sister's in a car seat. So that puts me at five years old. We're at a mall in Pasadena, California. And when they sell at malls, we hear this blood curdling scream. And my dad and my mom are in the front seat. It's dark. My dad was there for the

California Narcotics Officers Conference where he's the only two-time president of it. He still works for them in a consulting way. And a woman was being assaulted in the parking lot. And my dad just looks at my mom and says, I'll be right back. And without a moment of hesitation, like he was already looking at the interaction. And then when the assault starts, you know, it was, I'll be right back. Just so casual, so effortless to walk into darkness, to not knowing, does this guy have a gun? Does this guy have a knife? His three kids are in the backseat. His wife is sitting right next to him. And that is what is shaping me as, you know, a prepubescent child. Like this is what's shaping my mind. And every human has unique experiences and those collective experiences shape how they view the world. Well, I have a weird view of the world because of how I

was shaped. And that led all the way to my first real job being a firefighter EMT. And even that is extraordinary. Being an 18- 18 year old firefighter EMT on a multiple casualty incident with women and children strewn across the highway in a nightmare scene, half of which are dead. I'm 18, right? Like my frontal lobe has not developed and will not develop for another 10 years.

But I'm still in the mix of this, running up hills that are on fire with a bag of protection that's a little are on fire with a, with a bag of, of, uh, protection. That's a little tiny aluminum blanket and a shovel, you know, and that's, that's what I have. Um, so yeah, man, I was, I was made different. Yeah. There's no doubt. No doubt. Um, when did you, when did you go into the military? When did you decide that? And when did you get into MMA? Like where, where Like how did these overlap together? So I started doing martial arts young.

The same vein of being a protector and having a dad and all of his friends, all of his friends are very much like my dad. I was surrounded by just incredible men. I walked down halls of giants every morning from Bud Silva to Mr. Cunningham. I can't even call him Lee, but Lee Cunningham. And I wanted to be like them, you know,

and they could kick ass. So as a five-year-old starting with Taekwondo and then going to Shotokan karate, and this is pre-jiu-jitsu. Like this is before jujitsu was even in the United States. You know, by the time I get to middle school, I find a Japanese jujitsu. I've done Jeet Kune Do, Shotokan karate, Taekwondo,

and I find Taekuriyaki jujitsu. And this was the closest thing to, like, hoist grace he has not fought yet. And I'm like, this is cool, right? It was Japanese jujitsu. So we did do striking. We did do weapons. You know, we had katas and that's where I spent the next four or five years into high school. I started wrestling and in walks Jake Shields and Chuck Liddell into my little jujitsu gym. And they knew what jujitsu was. And they came in and smashed me in such a way that my brain couldn't even understand how they could so effortlessly maul me.

So that was kind of like the martial arts journey. And then I followed them to the pit. And concurrently, I started fighting in every available form of fighting. So pancreas, sanshao, point sparring, grappling tournaments, jujitsu tournaments, wrestling tournaments. Again, this was like before MMA had a placeholder name point sparring, grappling tournaments, jujitsu tournaments, wrestling tournaments. Again, this was like before MMA had a placeholder name of like the UFC.

So I go into Tijuana to do fights for cash. And they were just fights. You could grapple. We know it now as MMA, but then it was a fight. And then early in high school, one of my best friends died. And what was a really great nucleus of good people that I surrounded with,

I wanted nothing to do with that kind of purity in a sense was lost. So I started finding new friends, ones that my parents didn't approve of, you know, drug dealers and violent friends. And so I got more and more violent and there's nothing more dangerous than a violent young man that doesn't have a purpose. Especially one who's trained. Yeah, or getting trained. You know, I wouldn't even call myself trained yet, but I was definitely more trained than everyone else. And that took me to being a really selfish, violent person. To answer your question, how I ended up in the military

was standing on a beach naked with multiple women pregnant. And I thought I had HIV at the time. And in Morro Bay, California, with the land behind me and west into the water was fog and me swimming a couple miles into the fog. No conscious intent of suicide. This is, again, frontal lobes not fully developed. This is just hopelessness. And I swam in that water with no idea besides just I needed to swim. And a couple of miles out into the fog, I had no idea which way land was. And fog does a really weird thing to your brain. It refracts light.

It bounces sound. It muffles things that are close. Like there could have been a rock 10 feet from me and I couldn't have heard it, but the coast, which was two miles behind me where there were waves crashing, sounded like they're on top of me. So it does really, yeah, fog is crazy.

Bermuda Triangle, those stories exist because of fog. And it's a weird thing. It gives you vertigo. And as I was sitting there starting to tread water, there's a fog horn that's on the south side of Morrow Rock. And I'm trying to figure out what direction that is. Because if I can figure out where the fog horn is, I know which direction to swim

opposites north South i'm paralleling the ocean And obviously east or west is further towards death and west or east is my one chance for for not drowning California water is cold morro bay. California is about 55 degrees. I've been in the drink for about 40 minutes and um You know not hyperthermic yet but definitely cold and i hear water slapping on the side of something and i hear like this low rumbling as a coast guard boat cruises up next to me and this captain has his legs hanging over the side of this boat, drinking a cup of coffee, going super slow. I mean, they probably had it in idle, so they didn't run me over.

And some old woman watched a young man take his clothes off and walk into the water and swim out into the fog. Never met this woman. I don't know who she is. I'm sure she's dead, but he just called her an old woman. And this boat captain, I don't know what the Coast Guard ranks are. I don't even think they're really military. So I'm not going to even dignify him with a rank. He just looks down and says, what's going on? And like a cocky little shit. I was like, I'm swimming. He's like, yeah, I got that, man. So what's up with you? So I give him an executive summary of what's going on in my life. Just lost the patriarch of my family, my grandpa, who had emphysema and listening to him take a less full breath, every breath for

two years until he finally dies. The know, the loss of my best friend, that I have two different women that are definitely pregnant, a third that I think is pregnant. And none of these women are the woman that I'm with and in love with. And I'm fairly certain I have AIDS. And so he's like, man, I was going to offer to get you out, but I'm just going to leave you down there if you think. And I sit there and I'm treading water for a second and just kind of thinking about it. And he's like, I'm going to ask you one time if you want to get out of the drink. Treading water.

Yeah, I'll get out. And he's like, I stopped for a second. And it's like, one time, you're going to make one choice. I'm never, you're not going to get this option again. I stopped for a second and said, one time, you're gonna make one choice. I'm never, you're not gonna get this option again. And he's not, he's right. You know, like when you go, when you have those choices of,

some of them are so clear, I'm gonna turn the Titanic or I'm gonna not. You know, had they not turned the Titanic, they think that it would have split the iceberg and everyone would have lived. A direct hit would have been fine. If they would have turned it one degree 30 minutes earlier, 10 minutes earlier, they would have avoided it by miles.

But it just took one decision. And there I was treading. I was like, man, this water's cold. And he leans over. He looks at my tiny shriveled up cock. And he was, yeah, man, I see that. You know, I'm like, oh, you're brutal. So they pull me up.

I clamber onto that cold boat, the cold side of that metal. And they give me a Navy wool blanket. And it felt like a million needles. If you felt a real Navy blanket, it's just a hundred percent wool. And it is so rough and it is so itchy. And your skin when you're that cold is so sensitive.

And it felt like a million needles were on fire being jabbed. And it was the most wonderful thing I'd ever felt. I was alive. And that was the beginning of me starting to make decisions that ultimately led to me sitting in front of a computer and watching Americans jump to their death out of a building with the option of burning alive or jumping out of the two towers. Everybody's seen a picture of the falling man. And if you haven't, Google it right now, the falling man. And I watched that live happen. And I was so pathetic. I was so narcissistic. I was so self-absorbed with my problems. Like all of these God-given talents, two parents that loved me and provided every opportunity for

me to be successful. And I was consciously making decisions that were circumventing me becoming a useful member of society. And it was like that snap of a realization that like I had to do something. And that was the beginning. I walked to the recruiter on that day on 9-11 and started trying to figure out how to get into special operations. Fuck yeah. That's a fucking, that's a big one. And you're, you're And are you still active duty now? Okay. So talk about that. Talk about your career. And I mean, right there, you just said it, you already knew, you wanted to do something special when you got in. Talk about that path. So there's a lot of different special operations and each of them have a specific job. They end up, it's weird, you know, so many of them, they're all the same person. I like, I'm, I'm this, like, I'm a duplicate

of all of these guys in special operations, depending on if they're the SEALs or in, in MARSOC or Green Beret or Delta Force. It's the same person and they just shape the skillset to have to do a specific mission. So when I was trying to figure out what is the thing that I can do, and mixed martial artist is such a great example of, we are now mixed martial artists, unique athletes. There was a time where you had a grappler, you had a kickboxer, but now, whether it's John Jones or Nagano, they can grapple, they can wrestle, they can box, they can kickbox, they can do it all, and they can do it at a really, really, really high level. And that is the jack of all trades, but master of none is an incomplete sentence.

But I would rather have a jack of all trades than a master of one, because that guy can do so much. And that's what special operations is. And then we just tailor that person to what that specific job is. I was looking at jobs and I was like, so Green Berets go into enemy held territory

and they find people that are sympathetic to the ideas and philosophies of American or our allies and they train them and fight with them. Like that's native, that is savage and that is me. You know, like I have no support. I have nothing. I have my critical thinking and problem solving and I have what I jumped in with. Dude, sign me up for fucking that right now.

So I knew I wanted to be a Green Beret and war on terror is getting spun up. You're learning about the horsemen that rode to fight along and against the Mujahideen, depending on timelines and, you know, to fight Al-Qaeda and the Taliban and on horseback. I was like, those are the stories that are starting to populate and we're hearing about them. And you're like one ODA going to Afghanistan. He's like, what the, one ODA went into like 12 special forces guys went into Afghanistan at the start of the war. So it was like, now there was just fuel to the fire. And so became an 18 X-ray. I came in as an 11 Bravo infantryman,

went to basic training, went to infantry school, then went to airborne school, and then went to special forces preparation course, SOPC. And that was the biggest of Twitter. There was about four to 500 of us. And they ultimately sent 91 of us to selection. The other ones they got rid of. And then we went to selection.

You usually with a hundred candidates, you will end up with six to eight that are selected. Of that six to eight, you then move on to a year to two long, a year to a two year long training course called the Q course, the qualification course, which is training you how to be a Green Beret. On the completion of that, you earn your Green Beret,

you show up on your team and the team is like, you know nothing, you are useless. You are like a nipple on a dude. Go sit in the corner, shut your mouth, open your ears and eyes and start learning what it really looks like to do this job. And Zarqawi was the number two bad guy on the planet. Bin Laden was number one, Zarqawi was number two.

When I got to Special Forces, they were launching a Special Operations Task Force led by Delta Force to go and hunt Zarqawi and my unit, the seventh special forces group, Sith at the time, commanders and extremist force was assigned to be as part of that mission, which was my first deployment to combat was hunting the number two bad human on the planet, the number one bad guy in all of Iraq. That's the start, man. Then it got real. Yeah. Then war happened. And so at what point did you, I mean, you'd always been training and obviously keeping up on it. And I've done, been fortunate enough to do like a dozen trips overseas in support of our troops. And it's cool because we'd have time with, you know,

everyday people in the military. And then we'd always get like a day with the special ops guys. And I remember like the day, and you know this too, like when in the training and things like that, like some branches had some forms of ground combat or different things like that. But it was cool how the starting space of everyone, whether they were Navy SEAL or Green Beret,

was always so much higher. And I was like, when are you guys doing like, oh, we do this together in our off time. Like they're all fucking into it. You know, it wasn't like a force thing. It was like, hey, we need mats because we're going to do this in our spare time. And that was always really rad.

Yeah, I mean, fighting's fighting. You know, if you, gun fighting, knife fighting, fist fighting, like in a fight, take a brick or a bat or a gun or a knife out of it, you know, we have ranges, you know, whether I'm in elbow range or I'm in punching range or I'm in kicking range, or if I'm in clench takedown range, or if I'm within my penetrating shot for my double leg range, like those are all different ranges with angles. When you start adding weapons and tools, you just add additional ranges, but it's still just a fight.

And the brain is shaped through adaptation. And the reason that special operations use fighting because it shapes the brain to fight. Like a good fighter is gonna be a good fighter, period. And you can give him any tool. Like you give me a brick, am I any less dangerous than I am with a bat? No, it's just range, but like I know how to fight, you know? And then tailoring those skills to be able to use them most effectively in range is really where the sweet spot gets, but you have to shape the brain and through adaptation. And that's why special

operations, man, like even showing up to the teams, not because I was a fighter, they were fighting three days a week. You know, they had, they had combatives and MMA built into their, their weekly and daily training regimen where they would box, they would wrestle, they would do jujitsu. And we had contracted, you know, Hoist Gracie would come in and Greg Thompson would come in, you know, would get like the best in the world

to come and train with us because we wanted to be the best. Yeah, fuck yeah. Yeah, it's awesome. I would recognize that. I was just like, wow, wow. All right, this is dope. We can fucking hang.

How long do you guys want to hang? Let's hang. At what point did you, I mean, you had already had some experience before there was UFC. You'd gotten your fucking feet wet. And like the, it's funny how much that truly was like the wild west. I remember getting paid a hundred dollars a fight and raging the cage and raging the cage was like a promotion people knew about. Yeah.

It was like a thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, he's a Rage in the Cage fighter? Like, he's good. Yeah, big time, right? Big time, $100 fucking payday. So I fully can connect to that. At what point while you're in,

do you decide like, I'm gonna fucking do this professionally at the highest level? Yeah, so it was actually ego. Before I came in, I had stayed pro all the way up until my enlistment date. Chuck Liddell in my corner, Matt Hughes as the ref of an eight-man tournament,

the Extreme Cage Fighting Championship. I ended up winning the middleweight title, an eight-man tournament, three fights in one night. Total pride rules on an Indian reservation. On the completion of that, when I won that, that night, I beat Jason Mayhem Miller. Dennis Kang was in the tournament. And real cool story in the first fight, I just smash poor Jason, Mayhem Miller. Like, I mean, I smash him. And I take a glove seam where we wouldn't tape

and that glove just went right along my eye and cut me open. And Chuck, after the fight, takes me and sticks me in a broom closet to hide me from the medical examiner that was like as close to as commissioning this fight as you could get. And he left me in a broom closet

until he pulled me out to fight this next time. And then I'd fight again and then stick me back in the broom closet until finally I fought for the championship, the third fight. Three, like they don't do this anymore. You remember these days. Yeah.

I never got to fight pride rules either. Like I fucking, anybody who's in fighting, there's nobody that's like, yeah, UFC rules are better than pride rules. No, said no one. Said no one. No one ever. No one has ever fucking said that.

You don't know. Even being inside of that, you're like, oh no, wait, I can knee you in the head after I sprawl? That's a really good idea. I can soccer kick you? Yeah, this is more like a real fight. Three of those in one night was like a bloodbath. So I win this tournament, win two more fights,

and then my enlistment date where I show up to basic training, I'm ranked top 10 in the world at this point. I'm training at the pit. So Glover Teixeira, the current, like right now, light heavyweight champion, one of my training partners, Eric Schwartz, Scott Adams left the UFC undefeated. Obviously Chuck, the Iceman, Liddell, I think the most famous light heavyweight champion ever.

Yeah. And Hackleman, such a fucking like, he's got to be on the Mount Rushmore for coaches. He's one of the best ever. Still producing coaches. And at the time we had Antonio Benuelis, Cruz Gomez,

Jason Von Flew. Like this is all at one fight camp. Randy Couture, Matt Lindland coming down all the time to train with us. Like Tito Ortiz just showing up on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Like the pit is the first mega gym. Like now we have fight camps, right? You got Brazilian top team and American top team. And you have the Jackson Winklejohn, you know, but then it was just gyms. But this was like the first where people were really going to. When I was overseas watching Jake win fights

and then win titles and watching Chuck win fights and win titles. And I'm like, it hurt. I was where I was supposed to be, but I wanted to be having my hand raised and the belt wrapped around me bad. And you know the hunger of wanting to compete. Even when you retire, that hunger is there.

And I'm in the middle of it. We're training every single day. We're bringing mats with us everywhere that we go. And then I'm like, those are my peers. I can hang and beat these guys. And then watching guys put belts on, I'm like, did are my peers. Like I can hang in and beat these guys. And then watching guys put belts on, I'm like, did I smash that guy? Like, I know I smashed that guy.

And then coming back from deployments, trying to figure out, I started fighting again. You know, I would take a three or four day leave, a pass from the army, which is like a little three day vacation that they, like you're still in the army, but you're allowed to travel outside of the 50 mile radius that you're supposed to stay in.

So I would go to Georgia or to the nearest Indian reservation to get a fight in. And that worked for a little while until I kept winning and I ended up in main events and Sergeant Majors are looking at a shaved head Army Ranger from North Carolina. And they're like, there's no Rangers in North Carolina. Who is this dude?

Oh, that's one of our guys. And that's when the house of cards came crumbling down. But at some point they still let you fight, right? Or did that take you taking a leave of absence on a longer term before reenlisting? Yeah. So I never had a break in service, but they, they, the motto of the green braids is, is to be a quiet professional. And they felt that those two things were mutually exclusive, that I could not be a main event fighter and be in special operations, especially in the special unit that I was in, you know, hostage rescue unit that was a geographic command specific

special operations unit. And I was like, well, I mean, clearly it has worked. You know, like the only reason you know about it is because you saw it and you have the access to figure out who I am. Like I've been doing this for three years. Like you just didn't know about it. So it does work. And, um, and they, they held their ground and said, no, this, you know, you, you can't have both. You have to, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You have to choose. Um, so that's where the national guard came in and the national guard was like, bro, You can't have both. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You have to choose. So that's where the National Guard came in. And the National Guard was like,

bro, you have to have another job when you're in the National Guard. So you can come to us and we have two special operation groups, 19th group and 20th group. And you can come to us and be a special operations guy on SFODA. And your civilian job is you can fight. And would you also recruit for us?

And I was like, yes, I will. So I got my cake and got to eat it too. Yeah, fuck yeah. It's funny. I still struggle with this. The same question from 12 years ago, the army still to this day, sometimes I'll have a command that just can't understand it. They don't understand how much opportunity is created

with having voices like yours and access to millions of people where, man, you have a problem, you have a message that needs to get out. Like, I can do that. Like the army is so slow to change. And I'm currently dealing with the same problem like as we speak, it's funny.

Yeah, it's like the science changes with every funeral in medicine or something like that. You know, like that's all only when the old guard changes literally through death, does the new science come in? New science. Well, I'm thinking in a hundred different ways here, but I wanted to tell you, you talked about hostage rescue and going to sheepdog,

you know, you're brought in a sex trafficking survivor, a woman who was fucking brilliant. And she got to tell her story, you know, and we had seen quite a few videos, you know, of how those operations take place. And, you know, for, I had heard of this shit, but until like you see it, you kind of don't know, you know? And I remember watching that and just how hard that hit me, you know? And really I want to dive into that, but I also want to dive into like the why behind sheepdog, because I think like one now more than ever, it's a critical point to make that decision. Do you want to be a protector and somebody who can help and aid others? Or do you

want to just, you know, sit back on your fucking sofa, twiddle your thumbs and pray everything goes all right. It's a cool time to be alive. I know there's a lot of hate and shade being thrown every direction about this generation, but via the pandemic and all the civil unrest at the end of the Trump era, the riots, BLM, all of that, people were scared. And it was the first time that I saw Americans not comfortable. And comfort creates complacency, period. It's just what happens. It's the nature of the beast where we're comfortable. You look at a fucking dog,

like a dog was once a wolf, right? A dog once could take down an elk. A pug at one point was able to murder a moose, right? That could fight with bears. And now it's a bug, right? So comfort, all that it had to do is walk into a fire to get one meal from one native and now here we are. It's no different with our species. We have canines, right?

Like we're capable of great violence. We're capable of having, even though they're not trained, the senses of being able to be a real predator or a protector. And there is something powerful about somebody that cannot allow evil to happen in front of them. You know, there's one of the Edmund Burke lines where for evil to conquer, it takes good men to do nothing. I'm paraphrasing that. It's, look it up, it's a really great quote. And I could not believe that to be true. I mean, like that is infused in my DNA

because I've seen it in every way that a human can see it. At war, in law enforcement, as a firefighter, as an EMT, as a son watching my father do it, as a brother to my amazing FBI bomb tech detective sergeant that is my brother. Like I'm surrounded by these heroes. There's Shane coming in. Yeah, buddy.

My workout partner. Yeah, brother. You can't hear him. That's my buddy's helicopter coming in. Yeah, buddy. My workout partner. Yeah, brother. You can't hear him. That's my buddy's helicopter flying in. I know it to be true, but no one else knew it. Not no one, but most of the general Americans were just so comfortable and complacent. Good times make weak men. Weak men make hard. And good times make weak men, weak men make hard times, hard times make hard men and hard men make good times.

In that cycle, we were definitely in this comfortable, complacent, weak men had now made hard times. And now we're having to deal with the consequences of that, where people are being able to tell us how I'm gonna live my life and how my children are gonna go to school

and what things are gonna be injected into their body and how much of their faces they're gonna have to cover. And I was like, when could somebody tell me to do this? And it was because we just got comfortable and fearful. Well, I say we loosely, because there's this group of people, an ever-growing group, the largest group that i've ever seen in my lifetime of people starting to wake up people feeling because

I hope they never forget that feeling of Am I going to be able to feed my family? Can I even make it to the store to find food? There's not enough toilet paper on the shelf Do I have to like retrofit my shower to be able to wash my butthole? Like these were all things that all of americans were fearful. Can I even get food on the shelf? Do I have to like retrofit my shower to be able to wash my butthole? Like these were all things that all of Americans were fearful. Can I even get food on my table? Is this riot going to come to the suburbs and they're going to burn my house down? I remember thousands of emails, like, what do I do? And I was like, you train, you know, like I was never scared. I was like, this is fucking, here's my address. Let's go.

Come on. And not because there's some ignorant bravado, it's because I was truly prepared. And the word prepper was this really negative thing five years ago. Now it's a badge of honor. Oh, and oddly enough, it's one of the things Facebook censors amongst all the big tech, right? Like you look up. They don't want individuals to be strong and free. Yeah. That shit fucking raised the hair on the back of your head. If you're looking up like how to can your own food, like how to make your own pemmican. Yeah, exactly. Like, oh, this has been flagged for what? What? To can food? Yeah. How to pickle stuff, how to cure meat.

Those are all things that big tech looks specifically at. There's a reason for it because a strong society, healthy citizens are gonna do what they wanna do. And that is the foundation of being an American is that we're gonna do what we wanna do. It's the way our constitution was written. It was so that the individual, the smallest unit down to the one person, to the one family unit

has the strength and the ability to do anything. But at that time when it was written, those motherfuckers were carving their existence out of the wilderness, right? They were taking a flag and they're planting it on no man's land. And they're gonna fight bears and whatever else existed for them to be able to exist

just to exist. And those were the people that that beautiful constitution was written. Then we got comfortable. Then we got complacent. And then it took a revolution for us to remember what it meant to be strong, right? It took us throwing some tea into a Harbor and a massacre for us to be like, Nope, nope, we're not gonna do it. We're gonna stand up because we're strong individually. Well, that was a long time ago. And then it took us reading about this dude with this creepy mustache marching people into ovens and cooking them

for us to remember that we are strong. And I hope that we have remembered that we're strong, but we gotta wake up, man. We got to start doing some work. Yeah, it's almost like because of how easy life has become, there's a disconnect from the potential of real threat. We've never seen war on our land, right? Most people in the West have never seen war come to them.

It's a little easier in Europe to be like, hey, my spider sense is tingling. Something's fucked up right now. Hungary, Ukraine, Romania, like right now, they're like, we've been here before. They're already fully prepped in unconventional warfare and guerrilla warfare because they generationally have been training it.

You're like, yeah. Alternate economies, all the good stuff, right? They know they're farmers. They know whatever they fucking need. They know that guy by name. And I think that's such an important piece of that. But here I can't pick up my phone and have Uber Eats deliver me something.

I'm gonna lose my mind, right? Like I can't go get my Continental two-ply toilet paper and I'm gonna start rioting. You know, like it's just insanity. There was a meme that I saw recently with Abe Lincoln as the avatar. And it just said, you know, it went from two weeks to flatten the curve

to flatten the curve to you don't take the jab, you lose your job to if you protest against us, we're going to freeze your bank accounts. And yet we're still the conspiracy theorists. Yeah. I mean, when you bullet point it like that, it's like,

yeah. And most people deny that that's even happening. They deny the- There's any, like anyone that's denying it, the confirmation bias of them trying to still live in that comfortable complacency is now reaching a threshold of idiotic and beyond dangerous.

Like they are freezing bank accounts. They are, when I say they like Justin Trudeau, we'll just name the tyrant right now. He's taking millions of dollars from what he now calls illegal actions, which was an absolute legal, peaceful protest. Like they're hugging, they're cooking. There's nothing going on here that is illegal.

And he has frozen assets, private bank accounts. He's shut down any form of money that they had or commerce that they were able to raise, shut it all down and confiscated it all. Those are actions of a dictator and a tyrant. And who would have ever thought that Canada could do that thing, right? I mean, they're not only our allies, they're our neighbors, and they share a whole bunch of political and

financial similarities with our own government. So we are very close. And I hope Trudeau is the tipping point, the first domino to fall in a long list of tyrants. But the only way that that falls is if people continue to stand up to him. Yeah, and standing up wherever you can. The quarantine camps that have been built in Austria and Australia and Italy and all these different places. And so many people just don't, if it's, if it's hard to connect the dots, one of the things that I love him or hate him,

I love him. One of the things that I loved about Jordan Peterson was that he brought to the mind that in world war two, that was yesterday. So like those evil people, how could they do that? Like that's us. And you can say like, but you have to recognize that, right? Like even like on a spiritual level conversations with God, the guy says, you have to own something before you can disown it. If you deny it even exists, you cannot disown it, right? We have to recognize humanity right now. It's not like we've, you know, hundreds of thousands of years of evolution has taken place

and we're a different humanity. Like that's the same fucking humanity. That's less than a hundred years ago. You know, like that does exist. It didn't go away. And I think like one of the prime things from like the myth era is to understand like the head of Hydra is multiple heads.

Like you fucking get rid of the Nazis. Like there's fucking multiple heads of this thing. Understand it's still there, you know? And dangerous ideas, you can't kill them. You have to beat them with better ideas. And those ideas are being censored. And we're at a really pivotal moment in history where voices like Joe Rogan's

and voices like J.P. Sears and yours and Aubrey's are so important because when speaking the truth is the thing that is being censored or a conflicting opinion or perspective is the one that is being drowned out by noise or tech, how do you beat bad ideas? You know, like, okay, if this science is old, but you're not allowing the new science, new, it's just truth. If you're not allowing that to be read, like I'm just going to suppress this, or I'm going to censor this, or I'm not going to release it, the newest CDC, we're not going to release any of our findings about the vaccines

because they feel that it would further anti-vax movements. Like, do you realize what you just said? You just said. Come again? Yeah. Say that one more time. Like I said that in quotations, because that is the exact headline that I read yesterday. We as the consumer, we as the population, we as the citizen, the citizen is the most powerful thing in this country. And we cannot forget that. We can shape what happens with our voices, with our votes, and with our protests. And we have to stay true to our values. I mean, without any compromise. Like my values are my values and they are black and white. And there's not like,

okay, I'll do five shots, but not six. No, man, that's not how this works. No, you cannot, I don't care what you say. My two-year-old, I get to choose what happens to her body until she's old enough to choose what happens to her body. And then it's her choice. You know, but you don't, you and no one else gets to be involved in that decision. Because my job is to protect her and to enrich her and to nurture her and to build her to be the strongest, most capable,

empowered human that she can be, not you. Your job is to stay the fuck out of my way. Yeah. Yeah. And there's no, I mean, you look at people, the sick people in white lab coats that are trying to tell you what health is, is just like, wait, come on.

You're obese. Your skin is flaky. Your eyes are retreated into your head. You cannot talk to me about health. Go back. Go back to that lab you came from. Yeah, it's not there. One thing I wanted to bring up and I was debating last night, like, can I even hold it together? Maybe I can't.

There's been a lot that I've seen in the last two years and it became really hard to decipher, like what's real, what's been added to like, you know is Trump a good guy or is that just QAnon, you know? And I, I've kind of settled in my own opinions on certain things, but there's been a lot of talk about our borders in Texas, you know? And, uh, I couldn't tell if that's party politics or if that is a fucking real issue, you know? And I said, I guess I'll just prepare myself and, and see what happens watching those, uh, like four days ago, I was at a park in my fucking complex with my son and my daughter and a car parked on the street. You know, if you live in the fucking complex, you walk your kids to the park, the car parks on the street.

An old Mexican woman gets out with a young Mexican boy. No big deal that they're Mexican. Fucking some of my best friends are Mexican. All my training partners at AKA are Mexican. They had masks on. Some people wear masks, usually not in my neighborhood, but it was kind of curious. My dog runs up barking at him. He never bark at me walking through the door. He doesn't bark at anyone when he's off leash. So I was like, huh? And, um, kid runs up and you know, my son's six. Most kids, most kids take a minute to warm up. He runs straight up to him, pulls down his mask says, Hey, you want to play? And my son's like, fuck yeah, let's play.

Minus the F bomb. And, um, going up and down the slide with with my daughter and they're playing tag on the playground and then he says hey let's play hide and seek and so my son starts counting and I watch this kid run way the fuck off the playground behind this giant dumpster that's 50 yards away and it's right next to the pool parking lot. And I'm like, where's this kid going? And I'm like half in denial of anything being weird. And I look over and sure enough, the grandma's on her phone texting somebody. Now another car pulls up in that fucking parking lot.

And I was just fucking lit on fire. you know, lit the fuck on fire, like literally in my backyard, I'm looking at this and, and, you know, I just said bear. And I started yelling for him and he came back to me and, uh, you know, at the same time, the lady yells for her kid. And it was just fucking in the moment. There were so many things where I was just like, no, that's not, that's not what's going on here. And maybe it wasn't what was going on, but that's what was going on there. Yeah. You know? And, uh, we walked by, you know, person in the fucking car. I walked by her. She's got a mask on. She's on her phone texting. And I'm like, dude, there's fucking every strike of every video I've watched with you, Tim. It checked every fucking box. The most, the most truthful thing here is the

sixth sense that when we talked about people being trained, the sixth sense is real and it is accurate. We talked about this in the protector course that you were in. It is a real thing that we used to be able to walk in the woods and feel that there was a Jaguar looking at us, that there was a pack of wolves silently moving next to us, that we were being tracked by a different tribe.

Like that was infused in our DNA and we were able to do it. And we have suppressed that for generation after generation. Thank God, Kyle, you are who you are, that you have fought and that you have trained, that you have a mind that is acute, that you weren't on your phone, that you're a loving parent, that whose eyes were up,

that weren't sitting there on Pinterest or flipping through TikToks or whatever bullshit things people do these days. You're actually looking at Bear because that kid would have gone and you'd never see him again. That'd been it. You'd have been screaming his name and there's no answer forever. You were one heartbeat away and you fucking saved your son's life. I can't talk about the border because of what I'm doing right now. It is a humanitarian crisis that is indescribable.

And it is a humanitarian crisis that is being capitalized by the cartels in the most horrific, warlike ways of making money off of people, off of drugs, and off of guns. And it is calculated, it is strategic, and it is nightmarish at a level that no one can talk about. I literally can't talk about it. I just gave you the high bullet points that you can Google and they're all there. And it's crazy. Yeah, brother. Well, I ended up knowing I was going to bring that up because it is here. You know, I hear Facebook groups and shit like that of people getting fucking kind of hunted in a whole foods parking lot. And I'm like, all right, you know, and then going to take your course. I was like, man, I've just fucking discounted that because I didn't want it to be true. You know? And, um, I really appreciate the work that you're doing, brother,

because, you know, my son's with me, you know? Yeah. I'm not scared of anything. I'll run through that window, set this building on fire. Shane's on the other side. I will have my flesh fall off my body. But the thought of losing one of my children,

I don't know. Like I can never reconcile what that fear of, I don't even know how to, I fucking love you. Thank you for being you, man. I love you, brother. Well, fuck, I'm in, I'd fucking keep you here for three hours, but we're both busy as all hell. And let's just close off with what you've got coming up

because you've been busting your ass night and day. I think you've got six or seven full-time jobs that you do. You've been really trying to hone in a home space at the same time building a school. And let's talk about these things because you've got a grand opening coming up. Yeah, next weekend is the grand opening to Sheepdog Response. It's the mission statement

of that company is to equip and train people to preserve and protect human life. Like if that doesn't sum up what my purpose is as a human, to equip and train you and every other person out there to be able to protect their children, their family from a tyrannical government, from a kidnapper, from a cartel member, from a rapist, insert whatever those threats are, school shooters. Like the list goes on and we're living in a more and more dangerous society where these things are occurring more and more frequently

because we are becoming softer and softer. Well, the only way that you can fight evil that is strong is with good strength. And that is not weak, complacent, soft-bodied, weak-minded men and women. Those are strong, capable minds that are equipped and prepared to protect and preserve human life.

So that's Sheepdog Response Grand Opening next weekend. Our school is just blowing up. It is, so Apogee Cedar Park is our private school and I have Apogee Strong, which is a young men's mentorship online program. And Apogee, the ideas around all of these things, the nucleus is really just about having a strong society and a strong citizen.

And that starts at the youngest level. So Apogee Cedar Park, we are opening middle school this spring. So we're taking applications right now. We're opening two more elementary studios starting this fall. And we're trying currently to find a campus to open another

location because we have grown out of our first location in three months. And so like it's happening, man. People are waking up. People are like, I'm done with schools telling me what I'm going to do with my kids. I'm done with them telling me how I'm going to educate them. Parents and citizens are getting their groove back. And I'm here to stand with them shoulder to shoulder. I've done this my whole entire life. And I will give you every resource that I have and every bit of knowledge to better prepare you

to be able to preserve and protect human life and to save your family. Okay, brother. I love you too. Love you, man. Thank you.