Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #244 Chad Johnson

Starting point is 00:00:01 All right, y'all, we have a fantastic episode, something that I've been waiting and waiting and waiting patiently to get started on with Chad Johnson, the guy who we hired and found to help us build out our farm here in Lockhart. He's a permaculture expert. He's dialed in. He's learned from a number of the best professionals in the world, from Sepp Holzer, who took him under his wing, to different indigenous and Native American teachers. And he's got such a wealth of knowledge of the earth and how to listen and work with the elements. And I'm just thrilled. We're going to talk a bit about what we're doing here at our farm. We're

Starting point is 00:00:41 going to talk about some of the key differences that Seth Holzer sought to break free from the mold of other people that were getting into organic farming and some of the shifts away from factory farming or monocrop and big agriculture. They're not universal. It's not like everyone agrees on this one thing like, oh yeah, yeah, that's wrong. We'll do it this way. And so with that, you know, the proof's in the pudding. We get to see that. We get to see exactly what you're capable of when you utilize heavy equipment to hold the water and work with the wind and the air and the earth itself and just awesome, awesome stuff. I would keep going on and on about Chad, but I do not need to do, what I do need to do is get through these wonderful sponsors who make this show possible.

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Starting point is 00:13:40 And then in podcast coming up, I want to be able to dive in a little deeper into the nitty-gritty of backyard. Like, what do I do on a tenth of an acre? Those kind of things. What do I do if I can't get access to an excavator? What if I have five friends that all have different farms and we rent an excavator? We split the cost of renting an excavator for a month. Each of us gets it for a week.

Starting point is 00:14:06 What can we accomplish? Those kinds of things start to make the conversation a little bit more real. And, you know, or maybe you make friends with a guy who's got an excavator and there's some type of cool trade you can do. Like, hey dude, I'll help you lose 20 pounds and feel better, lower systemic inflammation,

Starting point is 00:14:21 heal an injury. I know a lot of us are health and wellness professionals that listen to this podcast. There are ways to get it done. But please give me your feedback. What do you want more of from Chad, especially after you read these books we're going to recommend?

Starting point is 00:14:33 In the show notes, you'll find Sepp Holzer's Permaculture, Sepp Holzer's Desert or Paradise, Richard Perkins' Regenerative Agriculture book. This is a textbook. It's 90 bucks. It's a textbook.

Starting point is 00:14:46 And it covers everything from Seth Holter's work. He has a whole chapter on key line plowing, all the way to how to make a small farm profitable and workable. And then of course, the fourth book would be Rudolf Steiner's agriculture book. That is one you can't miss. All right. Check it out. Let me know what you think at Instagram, at Living With The Kingsburys. You must get it all right, or else you can't tag us. You can't do anything. You can DM me there or preferably sign up on Zion and it's just Kyle Kingsbury Community. Much love to you guys. Let me know what you're doing. Let me know what you think of it. Adios. There we go.

Starting point is 00:15:27 We're rocking and rolling. Chad Johnson, welcome to the podcast. Thank you, Kyle Kinsbury. We've been out here at the farm trying to figure out what to call it for the longest time. The ranch, the farm. And Ob's got a spirit ranch is the name of the destination in Sedona. So he's like, no, that's the ranch. This can't be the ranch. I'm like, it is ranch though.

Starting point is 00:15:56 And now it's actually becoming a farm. We've been watching this actually start to come to life. I get introduced to you. I'll actually tell that story. It was with my boy, Cal, at his 50th birthday party. He's been on the podcast. We just had his incredible wife, Peyton Callahan, on. If you haven't listened to it, listen to it.

Starting point is 00:16:14 It's incredible. And they're both incredible. And I had a couple different, I've been talking a lot about like synchronicity and what I like to call the God nod. And I had a couple of those moments where people were talking to me about food forest abundance and Jim Gale and just really, you know, in the conversation of sovereignty and health, because if you look at, you look at the major systems that have exposed their cracks in the last couple of years, we've got education, health and wellness, government and law, finance, you know, a lot of these things have reared their heads.

Starting point is 00:16:52 And what's cool about the food piece is that it, you know, literally covers such a large percentage of health and wellness. And it also covers a large percentage of your own personal sovereignty and Maslow's hierarchy of needs. And so, you know, when I started diving into this, and I've been diving into, you know, at least knowing my farmers, those kind of things for some time. It's probably since How to Eat, Move and Be Healthy by Paul Cech and the documentary Food Inc. and all that good shit. But, you know, when they were telling me about Jim, it was like, oh, okay, cool. I got to know this guy. And then Jim, uh, had a great conversation with him and he introduced me to you. He said like, this is the guy, this is the guy, you know, anything that's

Starting point is 00:17:35 10 acres or more, this is my guy. And this is the guy that the gym goes to when he wants to, you know, do work on his land. And that was like, oh, fuck yeah. Chad's the dude. And we had you out here for three days to kind of sit and listen to the land and really tune into it and see what it was asking for. And I had to spend a good amount of time with you then and really dive into your brilliance on like how you, how you actually do that, but what your background is, how you dove into that. So I would love for you to break down, you know, what was life like growing up? What, what kind of drove you towards the field that you're in? Yeah, definitely. And just to backtrack on what you said, when you think of a word like ranch or like farm or like farmer,

Starting point is 00:18:26 suddenly you're putting yourself into that verbiage. So being able to reimagine what it is because we kind of are reimagining our world. And what's possible is usually beyond what people can imagine until you've actually walked through a space or seen it. And it's something to see a picture of it. It's another to experience walking through it or eating from it. Because nature has a certain momentum when you tap into it, kind of unfolds for you. But for me, when I was a kid, I, you know, loved nature like a lot of kids.

Starting point is 00:19:00 I think it's just in us. Grew up in northern Minnesota, kind of Bob Dylan's old stomping grounds, surrounded by lakes, just beautiful nature, swamps. As kids, we were, you know, running through the lakes, the swamps, just barefoot, having fun. And had some garden exposure as a kid with my mom. And then you try to find your way in the world and you try to fit into the box.

Starting point is 00:19:30 And now I'm like, think outside the box, live outside the box. And so I thought, okay, I'll be an engineer and I'll go do this in life, you know, and I'll retire early. And you kind of have this mindset where, yeah, and there's the destination. And then I realized that the journey sucked, you know, the journey that I had kind of fit into the box.

Starting point is 00:19:55 And so I got my engineering degree, became a wildland firefighter, was kind of like, okay, engineering is not for me. I did it for five years and it was just kind of kind of robbing my spirit really and so I just spun my compass and headed out not knowing where I was going and ended up in the redwoods half a mile from the ocean a week before 9-11 and so I was with a great group of people just connected by trails. We'd all come down and have food. People would bring a guitar, a bottle of wine. There'd be people chopping up food, beautiful fire. And then when 9-11 happened, it was pretty somber.

Starting point is 00:20:37 So we'd come together and all of a sudden everyone's sitting there. It's like, well, who knows what's going to happen? So suddenly the timeline of what's going to happen in the world for a lot of people was like, well, this might be a time to rewrite what we're going to happen. So suddenly the timeline of what's going to happen in the world for a lot of people was like, well, this might be a time to rewrite what we're going to do. And so it's like, let's make more gardens, more greenhouses. So I opened up the soil and whatever came out was a massive spiritual experience. I kind of found a little place in the Redwoods that opened up. I was like, this is it. I opened up the soil to start my little garden and whatever rushed in is kind of still with me today. It's, it's, when you told me that story, it sounds like if there was a snortable psilocybin mushroom, like this thing just shot at spores right into your nose and you get the, you know, the God, the full-on God level download and vision. I love hearing any type of altered state of consciousness that's not

Starting point is 00:21:31 run of the mill. Not that psilocybin is run of the mill or ayahuasca or any of those things, but there are even, you know, amongst my listeners who imagine for sure more than half have participated in some type of ceremony like that. There's still a lot of people listening to this right now that haven't. And I just love the idea of like the vision quest, no food, no water, altered state of consciousness, visionary. The type of breath work that Lucas and Hela do that we put on at Fit for Service. It's a fucking ceremony and it is quite visionary, you know, and there's, there's just many, many paths that lead us up the mountain, but I'd never heard of cracking soil and just,

Starting point is 00:22:12 holy shit, going for the ride. Right. Talk about that. Talk about that experience, like that connection point. What came through for you? Yeah. And me neither. I, I didn't see it coming. And I believe a lot of the physical coming in from spirit, you know, whether it's from Gaia or this creation, this is a gift. And at times I think we become inoculated, you know, there's certain points in our life that are just pivotal. And there are studies out there that say, oh, there's this bacteria in the soil that can give you an experience. Actually, it helps a lot of people that are having certain conditions and they've limited it down to a bacteria. But I think there's a bigger breath in there that comes out. And when you learn to work with this gift, this creation, whether you're thinking God or creator, this creation is a gift to us.

Starting point is 00:23:08 And it's a challenge. You know, you can see the things in the world that are going on. You make up a story in your head. But then when you go back to the source, nature being the source of all, you could say wealth, depending on how you define wealth. You know, what is your quality of life? You can suddenly rewrite it because you're starting from ground level, you know, and when you do something in nature that's positive, it responds positively in that direction. When you do something negatively in nature, it'll show you that response

Starting point is 00:23:37 in a negative direction. And I think it's a very, not only untapped, and you can look at ancient civilizations and how they tapped into it, but we're definitely in a new time, a new era. Like we've been talking the end of the Kali Yuga, you can definitely at a new point in history, whether you look at population, technological, or people right now in this time, kind of around the earth or across the earth, kind of all picking up on it and in communication. So that definitely has a momentum in it. I didn't see my change and I didn't see the world changing so fast with all this. I was happy to be on my farm. Did not see myself leaving. Glad to be, you know, keep creating in nature, wild harvesting and watching it ripple out from there.

Starting point is 00:24:46 Yeah, let's backtrack. I mean, so from this point where you get really the deep connection with Source, Creator, and you're out in the Redwoods, at what point did you decide, like, I mean, you are kind of already, you know, hands in the soil, get dirty, doing the thing. At what point did you really say, like, this is going to be the thing that I invest everything I am and everything I know into? At which point do you say, and how do you find Sepp Holzer for that matter? Yeah, that ties together well because so that first impulse didn't stop and it was just a gradual hands in the earth and digging my own pond,

Starting point is 00:25:22 digging my own terraces and sculpting my own earth in what I call Dreaming Seed Farm. And just digging my first pond right away, the frogs, the turtles, there was no nearby water. And suddenly within the first dayway and I was spraying it down and water was coming in I looked up and there was a rainbow above me like a sun dog but the sun wasn't up there and up on the hill was this massive bell that had been gifted from Japan and suddenly right when I look up and see that rainbow someone's way up on the hill with this giant timber that's the gong. And it was just like gong, gong, gong, gong, gong, gong, gong, gong, gong, gong, gong, gong. And I'm like, whoa, this is pretty intense.

Starting point is 00:26:15 And all of a sudden, bagpipes light up. So someone's up there with bagpipes right after they're doing the gong into this thing. So someone was getting married up by what's called Anger Tower. And here I am having this water moment with this first pond. And this sundog, maybe it was the water droplets, but that just kind of rippled out into that pond, the terraces. I was taking out the considered invasive buckthorn and weaving a goat barn roof and doing qigong in my garden. And the guy that brought this five simple movement healing

Starting point is 00:26:56 qigong just started transforming my life, taking me out of 15, 20 years of pain from this head-on collision. And then I just, it started to come in. I was like, wow, this garden's really feeding my qigong and my soul. Qigong is healing me. I was going through some amazing moments there. Within two weeks, a lot of the pain I'd been feeling all up to my spine was just gone. And I was having more spiritual experiences. And then at one point I was in there and I felt like I was like going to be called to something. And I was creating a huge puppet with this guy, Father Earth.

Starting point is 00:27:48 And he said, hey, do you know Sepp Holzer? I was like, no. He said, well, he's having his first US installation coming up and you should go to it. It's like, really? So I got the book. I've had different experiences with a few books in my life. And I read the first page and I just kind of closed it and looked at it. And I was like, oh, wow, this is going to be something here. Something's going on. This is just like work on Sepp Holzer's first installation we worked for 12 days suddenly everything I'd been hand doing with the shovel he comes in with an excavator the big shovel you know and all of a sudden the way he was reading listening and working with nature just clicked heavy for me. And at the end,

Starting point is 00:28:50 he had us all present our designs. He'd seen us work for 12 days. I was the last one to present. And he said, this is your new designer. I was looking at him like, what? You mean, so this color crayon drawing I had really resonated with him. And so we went out and he took me and another guy aside to work with him. Everybody else went with his students and we're planting the grapevines around this central pond. And he's talking about nature and going through all of these things that he's seen in his life and what's going on with the world. And I was like, what's going on here? What is he talking about?

Starting point is 00:29:30 Why is he able to separate it from everybody? And why is he talking about all this stuff? I was like, I'm loving it, but why is he doing this? And a farm, the only farm I'd ever seen, I left the Redwoods thinking, okay, there's no beauty like this. I go back to Minnesota. The massive trees look like shrubs. I was like, well, I had to spin my compass from feeling like this intense beauty in the Redwoods to being like, okay, I had to leave the beauty, go back to friends and family and reconnect.

Starting point is 00:30:12 And I thought I'll never find a piece of land that I'm going to fall in love with just after seeing that amazing dramatic beauty. Well, this lady says, I think I found a farm that you would love. And someone the week before said, boy, you've kind of filled in your entire dreaming seed farm here. You know, I think you need a bigger pallet. You need a bigger place to work. And at first I was kind of offended. I was like, what do you mean? I've been putting my heart and soul into this. I could never leave this. And I'm driving to the spring and I thought, oh, I'll just take this little backside road. It's kind of hard to find. It's in the corner of the Spirit Mountain Park. And I look over and I'm just like, oh, my gosh, this is amazing. Just a gorgeous area. And so automatically I looked down the driveway,

Starting point is 00:30:52 and here's this old lady, the owner, sitting on her steps. Had never seen her there before or after. And so I instinctively pull in, and I walk out. And she's like, what did you want? And I said, someone said this farm might be for sale. And she says, what do you want to do with it? And I said, I want to turn it into paradise. And she said, it's already paradise. And I said, I want to make it an edible medicinal paradise. And come to find out I had relayed a healer's information to the lady that turned me on to that location who had taken

Starting point is 00:31:28 the pain away from that lady who owned that farm. And so she's like, why don't you come in and we'll talk for a while. That farm had fallen through, worked on it for a year and a half. And I walked off the field with tears in my eyes. Six months later, I'm with SEP. And I'm talking about this farm that the only farm I wanted to buy that I lost. And SEP students are like, this is on the last day. Well, you know, a lot of the places that people want when they're working with SEP start to come to them. Well, halfway through the day after lunch, this lady gives me a call and says, I'm ready to sell you the farm. And now it's half price. So I go back and it's like, that fell into place. And right away, I picked a few people to come help me do a five-day installation to set the original ecosystem, hold the water, create abundance naturally. And from there, it turned into

Starting point is 00:32:29 Holzer Agroecology, flying around with a SEP, creating these models, finding out not everything is in his books, and just being able to work really close with the guy and some really mind-blowing things that he's done in his farm or he's dreamt and imagined on other pieces of land and that dreaming time, uh, and the reshaping of what you can see as possible to landscape really set in. And I was like, oh, I get it. It's not difficult. It's just not practiced. And so after being on my farm for seven years thinking I wasn't going to leave, I was struck with everything going on in the world that a vision of creating practitioners and more landscapes like this.

Starting point is 00:33:25 It's the time. And I was super excited. I was like, oh, wow. I think I'm going to be stepping off my farm. And there was a certain place in the garden I was walking to and it happens where all these, a lot of inspiration happens, came through. And it was probably two, three weeks later, Jim Gale calls and said, hey, some guy was telling me about you. And after a couple of conversations, he's like,

Starting point is 00:33:53 I want to make you my lead designer. I've got these other places. He called me in like half hour before this meeting with Adrian Grenier's farm Kintsugi and from there everything is just it's almost like it's been free-flowing I was just maybe the time I needed this incubation time on the farm uh deeper secrets in nature I was like oh yeah that's obvious um so things I was able to build off of Sep's work and then just incubate on my farm just started opening up more and more. And, yeah, that positive response from nature had birds and animals planting out the sacred Native American hoop gardens

Starting point is 00:34:41 that I wanted to reestablish were just positive signs. And yeah, now I'm ready to share it with the world, create practitioners. And one note on that, like I didn't see, I saw myself replanting those sacred Native American hoop gardens, me out there planting the seeds and everything. But the birds and animals are planting out there planting the seeds and everything. But the birds and animals are planting out way faster than I ever could. A lot of them are born or return to the garden every year. And it's like a nexus point.

Starting point is 00:35:19 And I kind of see Austin as that nexus point. It's funny, earlier you said as kind of the belly button of North America yesterday, I was just saying, yeah, I see Austin as, uh, the belly button of Texas, but I guess you can, you can go up a little higher and see that, uh, yeah, the, the continent here. Yeah. Center of the continent. There's, um, I want to dive into a few things, but I was just, it was resonant as the, the hermit archetype is what you were experiencing.

Starting point is 00:35:47 I just had a long conversation with Paul Cech about that, how the hermit really doesn't always live in the cave or on top of a mountain. But once there's a certain level of understanding, the hermit retreats either up the mountain or in the darkness. And in that, the alchemy takes place. And as the alchemy takes place, the light of consciousness is being held in the lantern in his hands. Once that light becomes so bright, he must ascend back down to the mountain to share that light. And then when he's gathered enough, he'll go back. And I think about that.

Starting point is 00:36:22 Your time with Sepp was you were grabbing so much, then you had to alchemize that you had to make your own, you know, for seven years. And then, you know, last two years takes place and that fucking lantern starts to get pretty heavy and now you got to go back out and share it. Right. There's so much that I want. I mean, I've just barely started to dive into a couple of SEP's books, SEP Holter's Permaculture and Desert or Paradise. We'll link to both those in the show notes. The Desert or Paradise book I found, I found comical because I think it's out of print and the Kindle is like 23 bucks. And I was like, how much is the paperback? It's like 140 years. I was like, holy shit. So thank you for bringing me a copy. But just diving into some

Starting point is 00:37:06 of his concepts really blew me away. I think I was reading on the back of the book that one of the things he was known for is he was one of the first people in regenerative agriculture or permaculture to say, you can't fix what we've done to the earth with a spade. So he was one of the guys that kind of went against the grain and the organic farming movement by saying like, yeah, use modern tech, use the best of both worlds to heal the land, to bring water where there is no water. And I think you were telling me that he was practicing in the Saharan desert or one of the deserts as like creating these little oases just so you could say, if I can do it here, you can do it anywhere in the world. And that blows my mind to think of it like that. Like, yeah, if you can do it there, you can do it anywhere. It's kind of like the

Starting point is 00:37:52 earth ships doing it town, Mexico, where there's six inches of rain in a single season and just recycling the water and using every little ounce of it they gain. That's the best of human ingenuity. And it's really saying like, ultimately, if you decentralize everything, the responsibility falls into our arms and our community's arms and our regional, local areas to be able to produce everything that we need. And with that, that takes on like a whole new level of our own productivity and who's around us and what they're doing. And so I love this, this idea, because it takes all that out of the equation. I mean, when Joel Salatin was on Rogan's and he said, you know, within 80 years, if we don't have one in 10 people become regenerative farmers,

Starting point is 00:38:40 it's going to look like interstellar where we got one giant fucking dust bowl. We're down to growing one type of corn from chemical fertilizers and nothing else exists. That is a real possibility and it's not the future that I'm going to live in. And so there's been my draw to get hands in the game. But with Sepp's work, he really proved the point that you can do this anywhere. So break down kind of what that, you know, what were some of his main philosophies in using excavators and water and clay farms and, you know, Indian hoops and things like that, that really changed the game for people. Because a lot of people are probably saying like, yeah, that's,

Starting point is 00:39:22 it's kind of like the same. The reason I was drawn to you, one of the major reasons was you're a permaculture expert, but you're from Northern Minnesota. And a lot of people spend six months in Costa Rica or Kauai and they're like, you know, you fart a seed on the ground and the next year it's a fucking banana tree. You have to deal with real frost. You have to deal with harsh weather climate. And, you know, even though there's plenty of water, it's not the Garden of Eden, right? Unless you make it so.

Starting point is 00:39:50 So break down kind of some of the principles that Seth used to change the game, say, from a guy like Alan Savory or someone else. Yeah, he definitely broke the mold on not just what's possible with nature, but he kind of put people on their heels in the permaculture world of how to go about it and how to read it, listen to it. And when he took over his family's farm, the two older brothers decided not to take over the farm. So now he was at five years old, literally hand digging his first fish pond. And from there, he didn't stop. He was a mile up in the Alps, surrounded by what he calls a spruce desert.

Starting point is 00:40:39 He's in Austria, right? Mile up in the Alps in Austria, right? And when the lawyer signed over the papers, told his dad, well, you know now that this farm is his and he can do whatever he wants with the farms, with the funds. And so he was riding his motorcycle with his dad, just these things going through his imagination of what he wants to do. And they went to the pub and they got something to eat and had a pint and he's just sitting here just like exploding imagination at 18. And the next day calls the excavator in the land

Starting point is 00:41:17 and starts creating terraces, ponds. And now there's over 70 on the Kramerhof. Things are receding. Nature's responding like abundantly. And so sometimes you have to walk through food to get from point A to point B because lettuce and blueberries and everything else is receding out.

Starting point is 00:41:40 And a lot of people in the permaculture world is like, God, that's a destructive way to go about it. That's, uh, when I talked to Darren Doherty 10 years ago, he said, yeah, that's like taking a scalpel to the land. Well, when the response is abundance, you know, you, there can be invasive food if you want to think of it that way. Um, but now a lot of people are seeing, oh, yeah, start with shaping the earth and holding the water. There's more to it.

Starting point is 00:42:13 You know, you're balancing wind. You're looking at heat. You're looking at the basic elements of nature. So you're using earthworks to hold the water, balance water, balance wind, and you look at the sun and orientation for heat, whether it's south or north side. And a lot of these places around the world that are desertifying can actually be reversed quickly within a year. And you recharge the aquifer and you recharge the landscape.

Starting point is 00:42:43 And when you use those earthworks, you're actually bringing air into the soil. Like you think of the deep French double dug beds, but now you're doing it on a whole another level. You're bringing in the air, you're bringing in the water. And when those fresh earthworks are done, the earth now has that air and water. So things are going to ramp up and you also start to get perfect drainage where on a flat piece of ground you wouldn't have it so if you want to do an experiment out in the sun put your hand flat down and feel the sun

Starting point is 00:43:23 and now angle your hand towards the sun, like a terrace would be 70 degrees is a nice angle. And now you can feel that heat. You've got perfect drainage. And now you think of those earth forms in the whole landscape as the water storage organ of the earth. And then you're now you're getting that that perfect remineralization of the water and that water you think of the earth forms as a sponge to regulate it so if it needs the water it holds on to it and it can also release it it starts to balance that water and you've created your water waves and you can you can do it in the desert you just need to hit an impermeable layer or create an impermeable layer so sometimes you're looking for pinch points sometimes you're

Starting point is 00:44:15 you're just seeing what are the advantages or possibilities of this landscape and also knowing what is possible because a lot of times it's beyond what you can imagine. It's certainly beyond conventional, right? Very much so, yeah. I think a lot of the ancient cultures had tapped into it, but they probably didn't have excavators. So it took generations to build. We can now do in days.

Starting point is 00:44:44 Big difference. I call it like a forward escape for our culture. You can think of these things as destructive, but now you just reimagine them and now they can be used as a positive influence on the landscape. Yeah. I think the main, the main piece there is that, you know, we saw what modern agriculture did, right? And the people said, okay, no tilling. Don't fuck with the soil that releases carbon into the atmosphere and methane and all this other stuff. And that's a problem, right? Because then you lose organic material. And if you do that enough, you create a desert, desertified soil, which then is, can expose you to landslides, fires, everything we see in California and a lot of different

Starting point is 00:45:25 places on the earth because it lost its sponginess, it lost its aliveness. And so where people might just automatically, you know, throw any modern technology, you know, out like the baby with the bathwater. What he was saying is, you know, create the earthworks and then you don't till, you know, I can shape it the way you want it to hold water, to hold your trees in with regard to earth, water, air, and fire and sun, you know, and then from there, then you don't need to touch it, you know, and that's a, that's a pretty big difference from where most people are saying like, Oh no, we just scatter seeds and see what takes and yeah, cool. If you're in Hawaii, but it's a little different, you know, to backtrack and to reverse engineer

Starting point is 00:46:09 kind of what's gone on. I remember talking to Taylor and the guys at Rome Ranch and, you know, their company Force of Nature, they've got the regenerative bison farm out in Fredericksburg, about an hour and a half west of Austin. And they're fantastic dudes. And they had a soil expert come out.

Starting point is 00:46:24 They had paid to come out and view their 1500 acre property, take soil samples and really tell them what to expect. And she had said that generally it takes, you know, in a untouched forest, like where Paul Stamets would mushroom hunt, you've got 8% organic material. That's in its perfection, 8%. And most places that have been European tilled and monocropped are down to 0.5%. And so they kind of mapped out all over their property and they were fairly low

Starting point is 00:46:59 within three years. She said it would take 10 years to raise 1% organic material. And just as you said, when you put it in nature, the response is much, much, much faster than we ever could have imagined. And so within three years of having that property, they're already up an average of 3%. So it's 10x faster than what they thought it would be. And their average is between 3% and 4% organic material all material all over their 1500 acres, thanks to the bison. When we did our soil analysis, we were already between two and a half to 3.8% organic material. So we're actually starting from a really good place here. And that to me is no coincidence. It's like, fuck yeah, the land knows what we're going to do. We're going to find the right land and make that work. But the beauty of that, those ideas is that you literally can do it anywhere. You know, we certainly have, you talked about, there's another God nod when you

Starting point is 00:47:55 showed me the Google earth and you were talking about what soil type we have here, how this little fingertip of this special clay that goes through here and And it's not five minutes West. It's not five minutes East. It's just right here, you know, and how good that is for water retention and what we're trying to accomplish. But the, you know, the, the sponginess of it, the aliveness of it, that's what we want. And I've read this. So I think Ben Greenfield had the author of the soil will save us on a couple of years back. And I bought that book immediately and I was just blown away. I was like, wow, you know, when the earth is rocking and rolling and you've got the microbiome of the earth intact, it can store carbon for 500 years.

Starting point is 00:48:34 It can sequester carbon. And it ends up being, you know, the, the currency of, of all the plants and it's shared throughout the plant kingdom via the fungi and this whole thing's a fucking living web. It's like, it's like an avatar, you know, like it is alive. It's not kind of, it is alive and it is a working ecosystem above ground and below ground. And that's been a driving factor for me because the more, the more in touch I get with spirit and the way, like, what is the operating system of consciousness? You know, and people hear, you know, as above, so below, as within, so without. That actually is the key code. It's one of the seven laws of the universe. You read the Kabbalion, it's in there. Matthias de Stefano says the same thing, you know, on initiation and Gaia TV. No matter where you're at in consciousness, whether you've ascended to a light body or whether you're a fucking microbe, it's always as above, so below. That always matters.

Starting point is 00:49:30 And one of the key understandings of how to work with that, because if you get it, it's like, cool, does that mean there's some, you know, like we're a cell inside some giant celestial body? Maybe, like they show at the end of Men in Black. But how you work with that is anything I do to the land will respond in kind. If I heal the land, the land can heal me through its food, through its messaging, through its direction, through the listening, through all those things. That's just how it works. And as I heal myself, that healing then reverberates outside of me. I change my vibrational field and everyone I interact with touches that. That's what people said about Ram Dass. You just sit in front of Ram Dass before he passed away and one look from him would change how you felt, how you understood yourself. Like your whole resonance

Starting point is 00:50:15 would shift in the presence of somebody like that. And I think that's awesome because whether we're working on ourselves or working on our little garden, it has a big impact on that sacred hoop that just spirals around back and forth, back and forth, feeding into one another and playing off one another. Yeah. And just to backtrack on the buffalo, there's a special enzyme in their mouth and the way they feed. So you think of that connecting that loop through them is a huge response. And also like I heard that nature's growth of 6%, we can actually catalyze and increase that. And at the same time, like you said, heal or transform the land is healing and transforming us. Medicine for the land is medicine for the people is no joke. So when you're creating these places or spaces or growth,

Starting point is 00:51:16 the holding the water becomes an even greater carbon sequestration, not just from what you're growing there, but because of unseen things that are formative forces that start to transform it. And I've had people walk through my gardens that just go to tears. It just has a healing effect on them. And maybe they haven't connected with that since they were a child um but when you walk through one you can definitely feel it yeah that's palpable the resonance you know whether you've whether you've you think you understand energy or you've experienced it or not like you don't

Starting point is 00:51:58 have to be able to read auras everyone under and i've said this a million times as an analogy but if you're in a room at a party and somebody walks in, it was fucking way off kilter. You're going to notice it like, Hey, what's wrong with Greg? Or what's up with that guy? You know, like you just notice something like something's a little different about that person. And, and on the opposite spectrum, you meet somebody new and you're like, I don't know what it is about that person, but I just want to fucking be around them. Like they're like magnetic. They fucking got it.

Starting point is 00:52:24 I just want to fucking be around them. Like they're like magnetic. They fucking got it. I just want to learn everything about them. You know, like I just feel better having spent time with them, even if we're just watching football or fucking fighting, you know, like the, that's a palpable feeling too. And you magnify that to a land and, and it, it, it, it truly does create a response. Like when you're, when we were out, I'm wearing Don Howard's shirt right now. When we're in the Amazon, he has an earth day and air day and a water day on the water day. We're swimming in the Amazon, you know, in mother nature's vulva practically like we're right there. And obviously the medicine is a good medicine, but it's a very gentle, almost like a microdose medicine for me. But in that water, like the

Starting point is 00:53:05 resonance of the land was the thing. Like that's what I was connecting to. And because we'd had the Wachuma, like my ability to sense and detect that was amplified, but there can be no doubt that's a different experience than me drinking Wachuma in my backyard. It's a fucking whole different experience because we're in mother nature's womb. And so the more places we can, we can create like that, that's the feel, right? That's in the, in the more, more people we create that are that magnetic, loving, kind, and compassionate person. That's the feel. But, um, you know, I had Will Tagle on the podcast. He wrote the book, walking with bears and the mother tongue and six others. He's a fantastic dude, great podcast.

Starting point is 00:53:47 He talked about, and one of the things he wrote a thesis on was eco fields. Because, you know, as he was a PhD in psychology and a practicing Western psychologist, he started working with Native Americans and indigenous cultures and really seeing like, what are the core differences between how we do it in Western medicine and how they did it. And one of the first things that he talked about was like, how does someone, when they walk around in nature, how do, what do they look like? What's their gate? Can they receive downloads from a fucking willow tree? Like, how do they tune in to the field? And that shows them if they're severed or not. But when you see, you know, the, you know, and I was telling it was before we got this land, I was complaining because I was like, man, I feel the strong need to be on a larger piece of property.

Starting point is 00:54:34 And he said, you know, whether you're in an apartment or you've got 5,000 square feet like I do in a suburb, anything you do to enhance the land, you are creating your own eco field. And that eco field reacts in a ripple effect with all the eco fields surrounding it to improve it. You know, we've got bird feeders in the back, bamboo, we put a bunch of fruit trees in, wachuma, which is legal to grow. And, you know, those things have created its own resonance where even if I'm in my backyard and the neighbors mow in the lawn seemingly right in my ear hole, I feel a sense of peace being back there. And now you can amplify that on a larger scale when you start talking about doing earthworks and tending the land of a bigger property for sure. And you can do it tenth of an acre or even less and start to create something where if you have a terraced off bowl

Starting point is 00:55:32 where you now create habitat for holding the water, the frogs, the birds, the dew come in, and what you've terraced out you bring up to create your own little sanctuary. And so when you create that sanctuary, suddenly you don't see the neighbor's yard. And it's also a sound and visual buffer at the same time. And now there's that perfect drainage again. You can plant it out. You want to live outside the box because it draws you in.

Starting point is 00:56:02 You see it from the window and suddenly it's blooming or you want to go out and eat. It's almost like you're creating the habitat for yourself at the same time you're creating habitat for nature. So just like a duck knows to fly south, if you create the habitat, nature will fill it it in we recently had a rare bird from asia come in and we've had other plants come in my wife who works a lot with plants medicines wild harvesting was like boy i'd really love to have vervain here and winter is like you know five months long for us so that's the dream time. There's plenty of time to dream and imagine what you want to do so you're ready to go when the first green comes up.

Starting point is 00:56:51 And now here's vervain comes in. So a lot of the birds and animals, even spores have come in, like parasol mushroom dropped in, and they're massive, beautiful, edible mushrooms. And now they're running around the farm. And mushrooms are interesting in that they're closer in their makeup to human beings than to the plant world. But they also connect that, you know, underground.

Starting point is 00:57:20 And the same neurons that are actually firing in our brains or giving us the ideas, impulses, inspirations, moods are the same neurons that are underground. They're just not confined by the skull. So suddenly you can see that as an underground intelligence. However, you want to look at intelligence. but I feel like I was kind of called to my farm, just like this area, you know, has brought you in. It's you create the habitat. And I feel like people from across the world will suddenly be drawn here. And whether it's word of mouth or just destiny, providence,

Starting point is 00:58:04 and suddenly, you know, it seems like this area is that way. And this is kind of a nexus here. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt it is. I mean, I spoke a little bit from Will Tegel's work on the energetics of an ecofield. But break down, you know, one of your core philosophies that broke the mold from kind of how I've been taught to protect organics. You have these organic thorny brush fences and you allow the birds to come in. for everyone mentality, which is, you know, truly we must, we must find that in ourselves and find that in nature and find that in how we view source, that this is abundant, not from the

Starting point is 00:58:53 scarcity mindset. And with that, then it actually becomes that. But I was thinking about that, you know, my, my mother-in-law, they have a little farm up in Kingman and they're close to pretty damn off grid and they're awesome people and they're goats and pigs and chickens and bunnies. And they got a little, little, you know, a little garden, an outdoor garden, but they have everything covered and fenced off. And it's like super protected from anything, because if you grow something in the desert, then everybody wants a piece of it, you know, but how you, you welcome that on your farm, you know, you welcome the bird to come in to eat a berry and then shit it out a mile away and create

Starting point is 00:59:30 another blackberry bush, you know, like talk about that, the reseeding and that rippling effect that actually is in the 3d world that takes place. Yeah. You can, and you can imagine taking, whether it's in town or on a fallow farm, or even here, you can take what is a 2D field and suddenly it can be your imagination and you've reset what can be planted or imagined there. So there's a spectrum of things that you can bring in and everyone's goals, visions, every person's different and every piece of property is different. And so when you marry those two and you start to imagine, oh, I don't need a tractor. I don't need a fence. I don't need a compost regimen and I don't need the irrigation. Some places might be hotter where you're going to need irrigation to get things started. But once that momentum starts happening, then they like the climate extremes big drought they've already absorbed the water into the earthworks so they take off if you're planting your thorny

Starting point is 01:00:34 barrier you can plant around the edges where your earthworks can bring it up 5 10 15 feet and then you're planting a thorny barrier like it can be medicinal wild rose it can be seaberry all these amazing things that just all work in the same direction that allow birds animals insects I don't even recognize anymore come in to fill all that and at the same time it's giving back so it's not like oh, we got this 2D field. We're going to plow and plant it. You take a step back in the design. You're like, oh, these raspberries are running everywhere.

Starting point is 01:01:14 I'm going to let them run. And now the bird's just planted out another 10,000, 100,000. And it's going way out into the forest. And they're bringing in food and medicine. And that became one of the inspirations for, oh, these aren't just raspberries. This is a nursery. So then I, I came up with the word raspberries. So I got running raspberries. I'm planting my plum trees. And now that's a community that's supporting each other. And it's also protection in a different sense of the word. You look at the word conservation.

Starting point is 01:01:54 It's almost like conservation kind of paralyzes you from working with the earth. No, we can't touch it. So if you see the earth is not in a great state, it's like, no, we need to protect this area. We can't do anything is like saying, Oh, this person's having a heart attack. Don't touch them. Don't help them. I was like, no, but, um, you can bring it back to life quickly. Um, and I just set up this one in the Mojave desert. That's, they're getting seven inches of rain. They're doing amazing. Um, and so that holding the water builds the soil.

Starting point is 01:02:33 You start to create hummus. Um, same when I visited the earth ships, maybe eight years ago, I was teaching them how to green up the backs of their earth ships. I was like, you can green up not just the backs of the earthship, but this whole desert. And they're like, well, it's saline. There's salt in the soils from this desertification. And now it can't receive the water.

Starting point is 01:02:57 It can't allow that growth. But when you start to build soil and hold the water, you actually start to create life which then builds hummus and that hummus can encapsulate those salts and now that becomes an electrical benefit to that soil so I looked around I saw where they're the ditches by the side of the road I was like pull that in hold that you get a water surge here. You just start to read the landscape with the contours because that's where water is going to flow. And where water is flowing is your most lively soil. And then I asked them, do you have anywhere that's got, you know, like brush,

Starting point is 01:03:38 leaves, wood chips, any organic matter? And they said, yeah, there's a huge one down there everyone brings all their stuff there um and i said well how much is it to bring it here and it's like it's free i said well bring it all here even just lay it on the ground and it's going to be a mulch that holds the water and starts to receive it and create hummus it it'll be habitat for dew, for insects. It'll bring in the birds, bring in the animals, and you have this trophic cascade set into motion. Yeah, that was one of the things that really, I think, was one of the most beautiful arcs to the hero's journey

Starting point is 01:04:22 in The Biggest Little Farm on Amazon Prime. We'll link to that. But it was this idea that, you know, in seven years, and I forget the name of the expert they were working with, passed away during the film. But he said, you know, give it seven years and it auto-corrects. And it's self-regulating, self-balancing. You know, and, you know, like when the collection of snails to

Starting point is 01:04:45 then the ducks eating the snails and pooping out their glorious fertilizer onto the land and chickens following the cows and the pig shit, so they can dig through and eat the fly maggots, you know, and it's like, it might sound gross, but it's like, well, there's, there's the harmony and the unity of having the right, you know, the right animals with the right plants. And how 89 barn owls showed up over the course of those seven years. And look at these, they are as majestic as it gets. Aside from seeing a dragon or a unicorn in real life, the white barn owl is up there.

Starting point is 01:05:21 I mean, it's something out of Harry Potter. Like it is as legit and glorious as it gets for creation. And to see 89 of them come in and the harmony that gets created there within seven years is pretty, pretty remarkable. It's beautiful because it was caught on film, you know? So like you get to see the whole trajectory, everything they go through and, and, you know, wildfires that take place and how it somehow misses their property. It's like, that's not an accident. Their, their, their property was too wet. The sponge was set and it wouldn't burn. You know, the same thing happened to my dad's place. He's got five acres in the Santa Cruz mountains and they had fires to take out all their neighbors.

Starting point is 01:06:04 It didn't take, didn't touch their land. This is literally how we secure the holdings of an investment to withstand what's taking place in nature right now, the upheaval of us being out of balance with Mother Earth is mitigated by healing the land. You don't have to worry about landslides. You don't have to worry about the big storm. It can handle the drought.

Starting point is 01:06:31 It can handle the fire. It can handle the hurricane. And I think that's pretty special and pretty needed right now. Yeah, you can, when you see that happening, you're suddenly drought-proofing, flood-proofing, fire-proofing your land or mitigating it to a huge degree because the earth becomes a sponge. And so we had this last spring, it vaulted up into the 70s, 80s right away, and we didn't get any rain all through spring, summer. And we saw farms going dry. They're trying to spot watering.

Starting point is 01:07:14 And our system loved it because the whole thing was charged with water already. And so everything just boomed. And then suddenly we had tons of rains, and then we just recharged all of our waterways, earth forms. So suddenly it's like, oh, climate extremes? Yeah, let's go. I'll take it. Oh, this is all the extra sun we've been holding water forever. Let's go.

Starting point is 01:07:39 I want to grow big now. Yeah, there's a perfection in that. And it's cool to see like, even like I hadn't even heard of the Empress tree until I was chatting with Adrian Grenier at his spot and he was telling me about it. And Adrian is going to come on the podcast soon. And I was just like, this is, this is fantastic. The Empress, like you have all these supply chain shortages, whether they're manufactured or not, I would contest that they are manufactured to a certain degree. Either way, it's something we all deal with. The cost of housing and building materials doubling overnight. People recognize it now. If you were in denial before, you see it at

Starting point is 01:08:16 the gas pump. But we look at that now and it's like, how long is it going to take to grow wood to actually have hardwood to be able to build with and do these things? Hear about the emperor's tree. The emperor's tree takes 10 years to grow to full maturity. It's big. The whole thing flowers. So it's phenomenal for all the pollinators, the bees, the butterflies, and smells incredible.

Starting point is 01:08:41 And it's absolutely gorgeous. And you can cut the damn thing at its base and it grows back like wachuma and it grows back faster because the root system's already intact like that to me is like nature's and that maybe this thing's been around for millennia most likely but just hearing about it and with what we're the challenges that humanity faces going forward right now you see something like that and you're like oh yeah yeah, the solution's always fucking baked in. If there's a problem, the solution is baked into the equation. It already exists.

Starting point is 01:09:11 And that's a huge solution to supply chain issues, to building materials, to even just something that's an incredible. If you're never going to use it for hardwood, you have something that's absolutely awesome and it grows super quick and you can make more of them. Like this is, it's a really cool thing to see that nature has it in and of itself built into the equation ways to harmonize at all times, no matter how chaotic. Yeah. That Empress tree, the Foxglove tree is one of those ones that a Sentinel that popped out of nowhere for me. I was like was like oh and here's another one I didn't know existed uh Jim Gale was gonna speak in Austin he said hey can you uh send me over some edible or plants that inspire you whatever else so I started looking I was like oh yeah it's a good one this is another really good one for that area and then here pops out the empress tree and I'm like wow it grows it can grow up to 10 feet a year

Starting point is 01:10:06 yeah nitrogen fixing edible flowers you can coppice or cut it at its base and it just takes that whole root system and grows another one and then it's light good for as a building material and that's one of many that's a pretty incredible one. And it's gorgeous. That is like one of many of the sentinels and same with the animal and insect world. I'm just like, wow, where did these come from? Yeah. It's almost like timelines merged. It's like, oh yeah, now you have the Empress tree too. Yeah. yeah it's it's pretty incredible what's out there there are millions that are just it would blow you away um like i said i have uh joseph simcox just released his first of 11 called bizarre edibles and he's he's the Indiana Jones of the plant world

Starting point is 01:11:06 going into the tropics of the desert and coming out with some unimaginable stuff. So I connected with him and I said, it'd be great to bring these two worlds together. Yeah, I'm never not amazed. I'm not as surprised anymore, but it just keeps amazing me. Yeah, no doubt. Well, if you're in Austin and you've got my phone number, hit me up.

Starting point is 01:11:33 I'll connect you to Chad. You've made this your second home base where you're going to be working with a number, and you're already working with a number of friends. But I absolutely love that this is the one place that you're going to be for a while until you decide where the next place is to inoculate and create gardens in. Let's talk a little bit about Steiner. into biodynamics because it's something that I want to dive hard into. And I've had a few people on from Chervin Jafferriot to Jared Picard and different people that have really spent time in that field. And I'm always blown away. Like, you know, Paul Cech introduced me to Steiner's work and there has literally not been a single thing where I wasn't, holy shit, like that level of understanding, especially when it comes to kids and what Waldorf was created in, whether that remains organic farming far beyond what it is right now.

Starting point is 01:12:53 And it is a lesser known thing. That's why I try anybody, you know, that I have on who has an education from Steiner, I really want to pick their brain. Talk about when you got introduced to Steiner and what were the things that grabbed you? Yeah. So maybe 20 years ago, I was delving deep, making many compost piles. And that's when the biodynamic compost popped in and I was like, oh, wow. So I got his agriculture book, that series of eight lectures, and that pretty much floored me. I was like, well, now here's somebody who's taking it into another world. Like it's the unseen world and he's bringing in the cosmic and the earthly and bringing them together in something that when you read it, you're like, nobody is putting that stuff together.

Starting point is 01:13:47 His insight into the human being and nature and then bringing them together with biodynamics was done in one season. European farmers said, hey, the bomb factories that were producing the fertilizer now, our seeds are not viable like they were. We're seeing the negative effects of all this he went off one season to dornach switzerland and came back with biodynamics which brings in the constellations the sun the moon the earth human beings the herbs the animals and i don't think we've ever seen anything like it i I can't imagine seeing anything beyond, but I wouldn't doubt it.

Starting point is 01:14:28 He was going to write a whole other level of biodynamics also before he passed, but what he came up with alone in that first season, I feel like was a seed planted 100 years ago, and I didn't imagine biodynamics would even come on the scene just because it was so underground. But yeah, recently, now you hear everything about it. If you look at the wines with the highest Brix points, they're biodynamic.

Starting point is 01:15:02 And when you use it over a course of a few years, it's pretty undeniable. It brings a spirit to the place, a spirit of nature. What Steiner said was, you're bringing in nature spirits. So I see it as you're creating habitat for that life force. His student, Einfried Pfeiffer and Maria Thun, were pretty monumental with their work also in biodynamics, but then came together and wanted to create something to overcome nuclear fallout. And they potentized it.

Starting point is 01:15:37 Einfried Pfeiffer passed away. Maria Thun completed it. And it's a very small compost, of a small barrel that's maybe five gallons and any farms that were using that when Chernobyl happened were able to withstand the nuclear fallout so that there was no radiation in the soil and it wasn't even on the plants and then the neighbor farm would be completely contaminated and these are the Russian government studies. And there are other wild things like biodynamics, like you see how people potentize seeds in pyramid structures or there's these cosmic towers.

Starting point is 01:16:16 They're all pretty amazing. But what Steiner brought in was the whole human connection with this stuff that's accessible to anyone. And you can get the results from it. Probably year, it was around year seven. Yeah. I had the iPhone seven. Someone took a picture of my son was on my lap.

Starting point is 01:16:40 And here was a live photo of a big orb traveling in front and one traveling behind us and we're just looking at ourselves it's like what so we start taking pictures and they're flying to the ceiling through the wall and it's capturing what looks like a static piece of dust on a camera lens now they're actually light orbs flying around. So I go outside and I take a live photo and there's hundreds and thousands of them traveling around like rivers. And I can't claim to know, say I know exactly what it is, but it's definitely out there. Another way you can detect them is bringing together an ultraviolet spotlight with an

Starting point is 01:17:28 infrared binoculars. So you think of the two fields just beyond where we're able to see in that, in that spectrum and putting those two together. If your land has those orbs, you can watch them fly around. I did this at the Asseti ranch. So you can watch them fly around i did this at the asetti ranch uh so you're watching them in real time now just you're watching yeah you watch them in real time um pretty unbelievable yeah the asetti ranch was the first time i was like someone said they're here i was like what's here and i i randomly stopped at this farm not knowing

Starting point is 01:18:03 i was going to find and they were like you're the first one here. I was like, first one here. Yeah. We're having this event. And then all these people came, this guy from Australia spoke. It was, it was pretty incredible. But once they said they're here, he brings out the ultraviolet spotlight, the infrared binoculars and letting everyone watch these things fly around and coming out of the earth and going through the forest. And I think that, that too, to what you're speaking to really negates the naysayer, right? The naysayer would say, Wayne Dyer talked about this in one of his books, I forget, but you know, if you're looking at a still image, then it's just, oh, that's just the camera lens bending the light that's in the room, right? But when you're actually staying fixed and seeing these move across your field of vision, the light's not changing.

Starting point is 01:18:50 There's something in the room moving, right? I think I've certainly interacted with stuff like that. I'm trying to think of her name. Shelly Joy, who is a PhD. Paul Cech turned me on to her. She wrote the Holy Trinity in Catholicism, Hinduism, and physics. So she connects. There's the Holy Trinity in each of those. She's written a number of books.

Starting point is 01:19:18 She's fantastic. I think she's going to go on liberty with Paul soon. But she talks about that actually in at Barton Springs. Maybe not Barton Springs, but one of the waterways here, Texas and South Texas near Austin, experiencing an orb come into them in the middle of the night. You can't tell if it's a whole fucking universe or a giant fucking, maybe it is, you know, who knows. But like that interaction and description, she's, she's layered laid it out in a few of her books. It's undeniable when you interact with it. Right. And like, that's,

Starting point is 01:19:55 that's what's cool. I think I've actually snapped a couple of photos with bear. I'll show you after we get off here where like, you can tell it's just, it's just rocking and rolling. Like it's right there with them on this land. And we had another God nod. We had the folks out from biogeometry. I'll link to that in the show notes. And I know I've mentioned it before, but there's a great podcast that Dr. Ibrahim Karim

Starting point is 01:20:16 and his daughter Dorea did on Living 4D with Paul. And he's done a couple. We're going to have them on after Dr. Ibrahim finishes his latest book. I think it'll be his fourth or fifth book. This biogeometry is really exceptional, and so we had people come out to the Lance of Centering Energy. It doesn't block EMF, but it harmonizes it. And the importance of that,

Starting point is 01:20:39 considering they're going to put 5G satellites in every corner of the sky and you will have no dead space anywhere on Earth, they'll be able to see every square inch of the Amazon, like surveillance state mixed with electrical imbalances as electrical beings. We're going to have to deal with biogeometry seems to be a very clear cut answer for that. But they came out and measured or digging measurements of the land. And they're like, no, not, not Dr. Ibrahim and his daughter, but, uh, two of their experts. They're like, what made you choose this place? And I was like, well, we, we just knew like Parker had looked at 30 places, but like, right when we got here, we're like, yeah, this is the spot. And they're like,

Starting point is 01:21:16 yeah, there's a, the land itself is emitting BG3, the centering energy. This is what biogeometry is trying to create. Like it's all over the place. And I was like, that's fucking cool. You know? And then we, I said, let me show you, you know, kind of where the healing center is going to be. And we go down there and why, why'd you guys pick this place for, for the Maloka and the healing center? And I was like, well, everyone just knew it's right in front of our biggest pond. Like it's a no brainer. And she's like, yeah, there's a power cord, a BG three right here. I was like, well, that's cool. That's a nice little bonus. You know, but they were like in disbelief, you know, like thinking of it would take a high level practitioner to figure that out. We just sensed and knew like there was no denial. about that, you know, moving away from the left brain, masculine, rational thinking mind and having

Starting point is 01:22:06 to quantify everything to being able to feel into our experience, to intuit things. And, you know, really that's the space that moves beyond what the rational cannot figure out. And I think as we move further and further into the rapidly changing world we're in, we're going to have to rely on that more. Yeah, for sure. And I like how Steiner alludes to the earth being this energy source along to what's ever above the earth, but also how Tesla connected that too. Like that Tesla tower with the aquifer running beneath it,

Starting point is 01:22:41 like the Great Pyramid was tapping into earth. That's an endless reservoir of energy. Definitely some untapped things that are going on right now that, like you said, the solutions out there. Well, I know we've got short time here. I wanted to, to, we'll definitely have you on many, many times as we continue to work on this awesome project we got going here. And of course, I'll be talking with other friends out at their farms, you know, like Adrian Grenier and my brother Cal, Greg Porter.

Starting point is 01:23:17 We got a number of spots that you're working on in concert with us, and I'm sure a number more will pop up in the area. But for people who really want to get into this stuff, I'll make a little list and we'll link to it in the show notes. Agriculture by Rudolf Steiner, Desert or Paradise by Sepp Holzer, Sepp Holzer's Permaculture. And then another book that you just introduced me to, Richard Perkins' Regenerative Agriculture book. And we'll link to that in the show notes. This is like a fucking band, like a Bible manual. You know, it's a textbook. It's, it was 90 bucks. I didn't understand how much it was. It was in spank or something like that from Sweden. And I was like, cool. You know, it only figured it out when I went to, uh,

Starting point is 01:23:57 I got an ebook and wanted to print it and spiral bound it. And Kinko's told me it was two 50. And I was like, what are you talking about? Is there ink shortages? Like what's going on here? And they said, it's, well, it's a very big book. It's a thick book. There's almost 800 pages and there's a lot of pictures in it. And I was like, oh, okay. And then when I got it, the bound version, I started looking through it and I was like, oh man, like this is a textbook, but it looks like in that book, you know, you told me this would be a great book for us. Like it irons out every question, how to do giant greenhouses, how to do earthworks. There's a whole chapter on key line plowing, right?

Starting point is 01:24:34 Which we just got a key line plow, super important. All the way to how to make a small farm profitable. Like it literally answers every question you'd have if you wanted to get your hands into this. Talk a bit about who Perkins is. He's a young dude. Talk about him and kind of the credibility that he has and what he's up to. Yeah, he's brought a lot together

Starting point is 01:24:56 and I'm a big advocate for keeping the toolbox wide open. So bringing SEP stuff with Keyline Plow or any other inspiration. He comes from a very cold climate where he's at now and has even done the time studies. So he's not really using the tractor as much. His plots for the market gardener are no dig, no till. You're using the hand tools like Manasobo Fukuoka. And when you have those time studies, that's where the practical

Starting point is 01:25:26 person can be like, oh, now it makes sense. I see the value in that. Yeah, he's definitely someone who's put a lot together and also proven it over and over and created a lot of practitioners that are now grounding this stuff. And then it would be also interesting when we're done with this project and where we're creating this sanctuary to see if there's a change in B3 or anything else that these people are reading. Oh, no doubt there will be. There's no doubt, especially, I mean, you think about the orbs, the earth spirits, whatever you want to call that, the nature spirits.

Starting point is 01:26:07 Even just with having fit for service here and the kinds of practices that we have during that, which are truly about transformation, the legal ways we have an altered state of consciousness and we're doing it in a group, in a sacred, safe container where people can fully let go and drop in, that impacts and sets an imprint on the land energetically. And so the more often we do that, the more that the earth right here is going to carry

Starting point is 01:26:33 that energy. You know, every time you drop in a ceremony, no matter where you're at, that leaves a little imprint there, the energetic signature. And obviously, you know, if you've got, there's a difference between an eight people ceremony and 150 to 300 people ceremony, right? Like that just has a different impact on the field. And I can already start to sense that having been here since November, we had a couple immersives at the beginning of the year. I ran one five day fasting mimicking diet, or we did a sound healing at the end. My brother, Eric Gauthier, broke down dream interpretation from Jung and the symbology of that and how that applies to altered states and how you, you know, psychoanalyze yourself through

Starting point is 01:27:14 an experience like that and really draw the most nuggets from it. Amin Vahid did the road to union where they brought 50 single women, 50 single men, and then brought the expert singles, expert mass, Matt Hussey. And, and a lot of people make connections from that, you know, and then we had our first core event here and, and every year we're going to be here for the big one. Every year we'll be in Sedona for the big one. And so, you know, Sedona, we've been out for four years and it's, I've watched that transform and we haven't even touched the ground yet. Like we're going to start doing some earthworks and things there that'll really impact that um from the physical structure of it that also are going to impact the as above so below you know and beings without bodies will will start to inhabit and be there as well so yeah i'm looking forward to seeing how bg3 changes here

Starting point is 01:28:01 you know there there there is no doubt that that will have a massive impact on this land no doubt no thank you brother i mean fuck man we're just getting started we've got so much left to accomplish and i have so much to learn from you but um just as uh you know sep took you under his wing i'm excited to be under your wing now and to get to learn from one of the true masters on the earth brother brother. I'll be flying alongside you. Absolutely. Where can people find you? Not many places. You can go to keystoneintelligence.org. It's just a landing page and contact page.

Starting point is 01:28:34 Otherwise, yeah, I'm just coming out of hermitude and shining and sharing the light. Beautiful, brother. Well, I know you got lots in the making from potential nature school to many different ideas that we're going to be able to give birth to. So I love you, Chad. Thanks for coming on, brother. Well, I know you got lots, lots in the making from a potential nature school to many different ideas that we're, we're going to be able to give birth to. So I love you, Chad. Thanks for coming on brother. We'll do it again. Sounds good. Thank you.

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