Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #245 An0maly

Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome back to the show, everybody. We've got an awesome, awesome interview. I've been trying to land for a while now with a dude named Anomaly. Anomaly is an anomaly. He is at DreamRare on Instagram. And if you guys have been following my wife and I, our family channel on Instagram, you've seen us repost quite a bit of his stuff over the last couple of years. He's a young, brilliant thinker who thinks outside the box, who has really called the bluff on quite a bit of the propaganda that we've seen on TV, on social media, and really just offered a hard turn away from what the standard narrative has been. But he explains things perfectly well.

Starting point is 00:00:53 I mean, he's a highly, highly educated guy. He's a rapper, believe it or not. Not that all rappers are not educated. That's clearly not the case. But first rapper I think I've had on the podcast. I've had a bunch of different musicians on. Porongi, East Forest, obviously way different types of music. But I just love this guy.

Starting point is 00:01:13 I mean, he's been somebody who's been probably my favorite follow on Instagram. And I'm not even on social media that often. My wife will send me clips via text and I'll just pop them open and watch, you know, five minute rant, ten minute rant. It just blows me away. I was super thrilled. We got to sit down and have this conversation. We talk about current events. We talk about a lot of things that are going on.

Starting point is 00:01:33 And Anomaly offers some stuff that most people might disagree with. He offers some stuff that may stretch and bend your mind. But I can assure you everything that he offers is something that has, he's taken a lot of time to sit through. He's taken a lot of time to build his viewpoint with, and a lot of information that he takes in to digest and assimilate and then re-deliver to us in a beautiful way. I love this dude. I hope to get him back on soon. This show really gets by by you guys sending it around to people. So if you like what you hear, you know, word of mouth, all you do is just select the link from whatever you're listening to and, uh, send it off to your friends to listen, leave us a five-star rating if you want and support our sponsors.

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Starting point is 00:11:37 my brother, Anomaly. Anomaly, welcome to the podcast, brother. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Absolutely. Yeah, it's funny as my wife's been in my ear about getting you on for probably the last two years. And I've really wanted to, and I'm just like, ah, it'll happen. And then one of my buddies, Christian Pitti, who helps Aubrey Marcus sort podcast guests and stuff like that. He's like, dude, you need to get Dream Rare on. And I was like, get him for me, please. And I was like, it has to happen.

Starting point is 00:12:12 And I think he made the connection. Yeah. So shout out to my boy, Pitti. I was researching before we were trying to get on before and had scheduling issues. But I've been trying to get I was trying to look up before and had scheduling issues, but I've been trying to get, I was trying to look up different things about you. And it was cool because I got to find out more of the background, which is usually how I arc this show. I want to find out like what, you know, there's obviously some sauce to who you are right now, but what made you become the person you are. And so it was cool

Starting point is 00:12:38 diving into the history of you as a rapper and different things like that. But I want to bridge that gap for people and just talk about life growing up. Like when were you born? What were your influences? What got you into rapping? And we'll steer that to the present. Yeah, I actually have, it was a book, actually a poetry book. It was called Shel Silverstein's Where the Sidewalk Ends. I don't know if you ever read it as a kid, but it was like a rhyming poetry book. And I really liked rhyming. So I started rhyming and writing rhyming poetries when I was like maybe in third grade. And then I remember the moment, I want to say it was Eminem and Dr. Dre, Forgot About Dre. It came on the radio. I had a tape player at the time. I mean, that's how, damn, I sound old now, but you know,

Starting point is 00:13:20 you used to have to record it off the radio if you wanted to keep it. It was kind of fun that way though. Cause then it was like, you know, Smash Mouth All-Star. You had to like wait or like Thong Song by Cisco. I'm like, I had to wait to see if it came on, to see if I could time it right and record it. But when I heard Eminem and Dr. Dre, I was like, wow, that's like poetry on steroids. You know, I was like, they're they're rhyming. This is like the next level of what I was already into. So I fell in love with hip hop,

Starting point is 00:13:46 I would say early, early, maybe like seventh grade. I was writing raps and they filmed me in my middle school. I made a fungus rap. We had an assignment to do something about fungi and I made a rap in the tune of Eminem and the principal came in, I remember, and recorded me. I wish I could find that video. It's a smash hit. But yeah, I always loved it just off the rhyming. Yeah. I would do a little rap on psilocybin myself, but that sounds awesome. I was born in 82. And so I remember right when, you know, like a digital underground, different people were out and it was kind of like stuff was starting to get a little more grimy. And then right when Dre and Snoop came out, I was like, Oh, this is it. This is it.

Starting point is 00:14:29 This is the stuff. This is it. And it's cool. Cause I think you're, you're born in the early nineties. Yeah. Uh, 89, 89. Okay, cool. Not too far off, but yeah, like once you got to Dre and Eminem, it was like the game was reaching a peak, you know, where you had just the ultimate talent and the best production of beats and mixing and like all that coming together. So what a cool influence to grab you like that. And I think with Eminem, because there were, you know, as I started growing older, there were super lyrical fast rappers before Em. But I think he I mean, there were other lyrical fast rappers before M, but I think he, I mean, there were other people that took it mainstream, but for sure, like people like Big L, Big Pun, they weren't as big, you know, when you're like a 11 year old kid, but Eminem hit the mainstream

Starting point is 00:15:13 so crazy hard because they like marketed him like a pop star, except he had like a dirty mouth and he was talking crazy and just how fast he flowed. And even today, I think his rhyme schemes, you know, I'm so interested, not just in the lyrics, the content, but, you know, how the flow goes, the cadence. Like, yeah, he just put it together so crazy, especially Forgot About Dre. That was like a fast rap song.

Starting point is 00:15:34 It just, I liked other songs, but that just kind of blew it out of the water. I'm like, the way, the intricate rhyme schemes, I'm like, that's sick. And, you know, it gets a bad rap sometimes. People don't like the lyrics of, you know, degenerate rap, but it really is an art form when it's done properly, you know, the flow, the rhymes, like the message. So yeah, I love it. I think about that, you know, with,

Starting point is 00:15:52 with where we're at today, have you read the book, The Fourth Turning? I haven't. It's awesome. I'll give a quick breakdown. I've just spoken a little bit about it on previous podcasts, but it's basically every 20 years is a turning and they're, they go in 80 year cycles for any, any powerhouse on a nation level has gone through this. They've tracked 12 of them with Rome. I think we're in our, our fourth 80 year cycle right now for the United States, but you have a high for 20 years and awakening for 20 years and unraveling. And then you have a crisis period 20 years, an awakening for 20 years, an unraveling, and then you have a crisis period. So they mirror different archetypes to this. They mirror the seasons.

Starting point is 00:16:34 Obviously, the crisis is the wintertime. Then you go back to the spring as the high, the awakening, the summer, unraveling is the fall. And we were born in the unraveling is the fall. And we were born in the unraveling and they show how, I mean, this book was written in the nineties, but they show how society matches the period they're in. So it comes through artwork, music, TV, it comes through movies, it comes through all these things, the influence of that. And that's when grunge rock came out and hip hop really took over. And so it was like, it was really cool to kind of track that when I was reading that book. And that's, you know, when we were born, our archetype is the archetype of

Starting point is 00:17:08 the hero. And so you think about, it's interesting how predictable people are like with Uber Eats, they'll be like, do you want a cheesesteak today? And I do, you know, and I'm wondering, I'm like, do they just have so much data on me that they know, like, you know, I'm not predictable. Maybe I always get cheese steaks every four Thursdays or something. I don't really track myself like that, but you know, it's like, I think with human history too, like you're saying, it seems like these patterns always repeat themselves. I'm always wondering, I'm like, are we really that predictable that, you know, we can't break out of this cycle that we're in? It's like, I believe it, you know, that, that these do follow cycles. Yeah. It's, it's just odd, but I mean, they predicted 2005 would be the start of

Starting point is 00:17:49 the crisis, give or take three years. So 2008 housing crisis. And you're just like, right. Here we go. We're we're, we're set until 2028. Um, yeah, it's, it's good. Oh, I was just gonna say, and then the art kind of follows it right what you were saying as far as like just certain trends like rebellion people you know doing trying different things yeah no doubt well i mean let's did you what did you what did you grow up learning i mean you talk about some of the major things that you're into that you've influenced you did you grow up christian have you done psychedelics? Talk about different things that have had big impacts on you as a person. Yeah. I'll start with, I want to say my parents got divorced when I was like three or four years

Starting point is 00:18:33 old. I have to say my parents are both good people. They did a great job. But I was a bad kid early on. I think maybe that had to do with it. Like I was, you know, maybe because my life was not stable. You know, I was moving drama like my parents are yelling. Like so I was getting suspended, detentions, kindergarten. I was like the baddest kid on the block. You know what I'm saying? I would I was never a bully. But if kids touch me, I'd knock them out, get suspended. Like I was just like, don't touch me. I was always moving schools and I didn't take any bullshit. I didn't like people playing games with me. I still don't. But when people get older, they stop playing games with you for the most part. When you're younger, though, kids are dumb and young. But that, I think, had an impact because I just never paid attention in school. And I always felt rebellious. And I think that played to my advantage because I think a lot of what you're learning, yes, a lot of it's good, but people just follow what they're told, right? It's almost like this indoctrination thing where it's like believing everything you say, no matter how great the teacher is or not. And that's why I go to this college campus around me to eat sometimes just because there's like 20 different places to

Starting point is 00:19:37 eat. It's not like I go there. It's just where the food is. And all the kids wear the mask because their teachers are telling them, you know, and they're doing it because authority is telling them to do it. And that's, they're told is good. I always rejected that. I think it has something to do with the divorce. And then in high school, I definitely experimented with psychedelics. I'm glad, yes, I don't really talk about it, but acid, mushrooms. I think acid definitely, you know, changed my life.

Starting point is 00:20:00 Marijuana, when I first smoked, just music-wise, thinking differently. So I definitely experimented in high school with that as well. Yeah. Those are, those are all great recipes to be able to think outside the box. You know, it's not like a surefire success story that somebody does X, Y, or Z, and then all of a sudden they, they think differently about the world, but it can offer a broader viewpoint of what we've been told, what we've been taught to what is actually real and what is something that's worth our time and investment in. Right. I think when I first took acid, the craziest thought I had is I was sitting at a pizzeria and I was like, I don't want this. They're like, why wouldn't you want pizza? I was

Starting point is 00:20:40 like, it's just cheese and bread, man. I was like, it's a whole marketing scheme. I just felt like it was deceitful. And it's funny now, I didn't even know bread or cheese was unhealthy because the food pyramid said it was the healthiest thing in the world. But something about it wasn't sitting right with me when I was on acid. And I'm like, they're over marketing this crappy product. It was such a funny thought to have, but like, that's the type of shit you're not thinking when you're 17, unless you're, you know, on one or two tabs of acid. That's some serious wisdom for sure. Right. Yeah. So I wonder which point, I mean, obviously you, you went against the grade. I mean, it's, it's cool. It parallels much of my life. I got into trouble all the time. I got, I was only when they implemented a zero tolerance policy in high school

Starting point is 00:21:25 where I actually stopped fighting kids and stop, you know, I'd stop. Well, I'd still get sent to the principal's office for talking shit. But that was a lot of my life as well. Even before my parents got divorced at 13. And then after it just, you know, erupted even worse. But there was, I can count on one hand,

Starting point is 00:21:43 the amount of teachers that I had where I was like, this dude gets it. This dude sees me. This dude really wants to help. And I believe what they're teaching and I want to be by them because they give a shit about me. One hand. And I went to college too. That's not a long list of teachers by any means. But at which point did you start? I mean, were you always looking with that lens on a societal level? Obviously, I don't even think people really get into politics until they're in their 30s because you got other shit going on. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, hey, there's this whole world stage happening that I might look into and try to figure out more of it. When did you start to broaden that perspective and look at things on a world stage and see through the cracks there?

Starting point is 00:22:28 I'll say, I think it was middle school. This kind of woke me up to maybe the school system was messed up because I was always creative. You know, I'm still creative, but they don't really reward creativity. They reward obedience, right? You know, creativity is almost downed upon unless you're also like a really good student,

Starting point is 00:22:44 which I was not. But I remember I got an answer right, and she said, the answer is D, not C. And I raised my hand. We were grading our own test. And I was like, but C is also right. And she admitted it was also right. She goes, yeah, it's right, but this one's more right. Instead of being smart and being like, oh, I made a mistake. I put two right answers. She basically just said, no, I'm still going to like off your credit anyway. And I was thinking to myself, this lady's stupid. You know what I'm saying? This lady's a dumbass. And I was right. I mean, she probably was a dumbass, you know, like that sounds like a pretty stupid thing to do. So I just, I don't know. I guess maybe it had to do with my early divorce. Maybe I was smart. But I just was like,

Starting point is 00:23:23 something's off and I just won't listen. I want to say something funny. But it was, I want to say like 2000, like high school, maybe 2007, 2008, two people that I think really changed my mindset. Interestingly enough, it was Joe Rogan. He had this viral audio at early in the internet where he was talking about, you know of Los Angeles looking like cancer, saying, what are we doing to this world? If you look stuff. So I guess I was always like, I don't know. I was never a follower and I was always gravitating towards rap music that talked about stuff, Jedi mind tricks. They were talking about the Vietnam war, like alternative history that you don't learn about in school. So yeah, I would say high school, I started really getting into like world events and politics and, and taking that like rebellious nature and being

Starting point is 00:24:23 like, okay, this is what I'm interested in. Not, not like this status quo. Yeah. I think I've, I mean, I've, I've listened to Alex on Rogan's and started diving into a little bit more of his work. I'd always found David Ike's conversations very interesting, but you know, Alex has almost like a pro wrestler gimmick to him. And when we come back for our commercial break, the Satan worshiping, Luciferian, child eating, blah, blah, blah, they will not win. And you're like, oh, dude,

Starting point is 00:24:56 you had me up until that moment. He could be a little too much. Even at the time, I think I stopped listening to him for that reason where he would sell a lot, but just, I felt like he would, he's always hyping it up. He's an amazing salesman and his products are really good, but yeah, I, but he definitely was questioning things and I had just stumbled across one or two YouTube videos early on. And I was like, dang, you know, that's, that's mind blowing. Yeah. And you know, the, the, the crazy thing is that both Ike and Jones have,

Starting point is 00:25:25 have had so much corroborated over the last two years where like, I don't want these guys to be right. But unfortunately a lot of the shit they've been talking about has been correct. You know, there's still things where I'm plenty of uncertainty. It's not like a wholesale. I adopt everything.

Starting point is 00:25:42 These guys say, I don't think anybody should with anybody, even myself. But they have been pretty damn spot on the last couple of years, you know, and you can corroborate a lot of the stuff that he was talking about had come up. Obviously, 9-11, no weapons of mass destruction, Patriot Act still in place, some things there. And then you get into Tower 7 and all the awkwardness of that, and you're like, well, yeah, that's a whole thing. That's a whole thing that hundreds of people have taken a deep dive into. That's not just a Jones thing or a David Icke thing. But so much of that has come to fruition. The first time I read

Starting point is 00:26:30 The Real Confessions of an Economic Hitman, it started putting in place kind of how that system would work for economic incentives to overthrow a dictator or overthrow a good president in a different country and install a puppet for the United States and really start to rework things the way the world's shaped on a massive level. That really was illuminating for me. Where do you kind of draw the line with any

Starting point is 00:26:58 of these guys in terms like that? How far does that go? Do you know what level of the Illuminati story do you subscribe to? I guess like with Alex or David or anything like Do you know what level of the Illuminati story do you subscribe to? I guess like with Alex or David or anything like, you know, big picture stuff, like they're talking about things that people don't think about. And it's always good to listen to all sides and, you know, hear stuff. But I would say with me, I'm always trying to be as accurate as I can be. So I try not to say things I don't know or be honest about it. With all the stuff going on, I think the more I learn and the more I research, there's two elements. It's like, one, there's always new stuff popping up. But I do think there are specific people that have more money, power, and influence than

Starting point is 00:27:38 other people. I'm 100% sure that powerful people have realized that media manipulation and psychology is one of the most powerful tools to control humanity. If you want power, you need to control the media or you need to at least influence it. That's why Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump buy advertisements. You know, they don't do it to waste money. They know that the more they spend on television, the more likely they will win with swaying the public. So I think that's happening on a massive, massive scale. And people, most people, not all, maybe some, underestimate how much they're doing that and how crazy the, as Alex would call it, the info

Starting point is 00:28:20 war. But there's a whole mind game going on. So I think that that's true. I think there are definitely certain people that are, you know, into their bloodline and ethnic group. You know what I'm saying? And I think some of the most ethnocentric people, ethno supremacist people, they're always projecting, you know, in the world. And also just like, I mean, you see it in politics right now, the politicians and people that are doing the most, they're always pointing the finger. So I think that's been a successful tactic for people throughout the years, play the victim, point the finger, you know, media stuff. So I think it's definitely happening.

Starting point is 00:28:54 But, you know, where's the power centralized, et cetera? I think there's a lot of debates and people have different, you know, there's all sorts of secret societies that people will point to, et cetera. But I think it is definitely happening on a broad scale. And, you know, I guess in a less like upset way, you know, cream rises to the crop. And, you know, if people are not smart enough to figure this out, they're going to be played. And that's where with America, I almost don't feel bad for us. I love America. I want people to wake up. But when I see how many people fall in line with the mask and the vaccine, even though they don't believe in it, I'm just thinking to myself, and I know you know this, especially doing combat sports, everything is earned.

Starting point is 00:29:34 Nothing is given. And if you're not willing to make a stand at some point, then why do you expect good results? So I think people really need to step it up. And the people at the top are treating people like they're acting in a way. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's part and parcel how the totalitarian tiptoe works. I think Ike was on his last one with Brian Rose. He said, there's a series of gates every hundred yards apart from each other. They're going to push

Starting point is 00:30:03 through a gate. Is there pushback? No, no pushback. Okay. We're going to push through the next gate. Is there pushback? No, no pushback. Okay. The next, Oh, Oh, there is pushback here. Okay. Let's hang for a while. Right. Let's let it simmer here. And then when they're sleeping, we'll push to the next gate and see if there's pushback there. Like that, that is how the tiptoe happens. And it literally is looking to see like, how can we get away with this? Can we get away with that? And it's one of the things that, you know, I had, I had Ike on the podcast a little while back. And one of the things he was most thrilled about is that in his 30 years of talking about this stuff, he finally sees a response from humanity, especially in the UK and some of the other places on a world scale where people have had enough and they're actually willing to stand up for their freedom. My buddy, Tim Kennedy, you know, often

Starting point is 00:30:49 quotes like the good times, uh, equal, uh, complacent people, complacent people, equal hard times, hard times, um, create tough people, tough people make good times. Like, so we're just going through this, this cycle over and over again. And really, if you're born in the US or a lot of these other countries that have never seen war, you've been used to one style of living. It's only improved. The wealth has improved. The convenience has improved. All of these things have improved. And it's really easy to just brush shit to the side like, oh, that'll never happen here.

Starting point is 00:31:20 Oh, no, my government would never do that to me. And it's just kind of like, everything's fine. What are we talking about? Why are you going to be so negative? Just going to table it that way. Yeah. And I think for the first time, it's gone backwards in a lot of ways, especially like 2020, I would consider that a cornerstone because even during Obama's administration, there's some things like if you were older and had healthcare, you could have been negatively affected. I'm sure taxes, et cetera, certain things like certain riots. But there's nothing like 2020 when they locked everything down and put the whole world on house arrest.

Starting point is 00:31:55 So, I mean, that's like a conspiracy theory in itself that they just did. And it went from that will never happen. That's a conspiracy theory, too. No, you're a conspiracy theorist if you're not cool with this. And I'm like, cool with this. I've been talking about it for 10 years. And you said it would never happen. That's a conspiracy theory too. No, you're a conspiracy theorist if you're not cool with this. And I'm like, cool with this? I've been talking about it for 10 years and you said it would never happen and now you're normalizing it.

Starting point is 00:32:10 So I think that woke a lot of people up. So maybe like the Ikes are excited in a weird way where it's like they're more popular now than ever because it's too big to ignore. You know, crime is getting worse in certain cities. Technology has hit a point where it started getting better, better, better, making your life better, better, better. And now it's

Starting point is 00:32:28 kind of enslaving us like a, you know, black mirror episode in many ways. Some of it's our own fault, you know, discipline, which I'm sure everyone has problems with how much time to use on your phone, et cetera. Some of it is like censorship. So that curve, like you're talking about, it's finally gone back to where technology is starting to, you know, be used to control and hurt us instead of like help us and innovate our lives. So I try to always be really grateful because it's like, I still have Uber Eats. I've been able to get my voice out there, even amongst all of it. So I'm grateful. But at the same time, you see so many things have been taken away from me. I don't even know if I could leave the country right now because I'm not fully vaccinated

Starting point is 00:33:05 or, you know, at all. So it's like I'm kind of a prisoner of the state. It's getting real out here for sure. And I think that wakes people up. Yeah. And I think, you know, it's not like, especially for people that are in the U.S., it's not like Canada is off on the other side of the planet. It's our northern neighbor.

Starting point is 00:33:24 There's a lot of Canadians, you know, with, with blinders on that are like, nah, nah, you know, the truckers are out of line and you know,

Starting point is 00:33:30 whatever, whatever the, the story is of why things are okay. But there's a lot of people and I had a lot of friends in Canada, a lot of people in fit for service or Canadian that are like, they see it for what it is. And they see the importance of this time right now. And they see tyranny, which they would never expect in a first world country

Starting point is 00:33:48 ever. And it's right, right. This, you know, it's unavoidably in our face. And I think that's helping people to, to, to start to let down the story of the idea of the world. They thought they were living in an embrace one. That's a little bit more in alignment with what actually is happening. They overplayed their hand during the COVID thing. I mean, a lot of people still went with it, but so many things went awry. I know people that have always gotten flu vaccines. They got the COVID vaccine. They feel like they got duped just because the story was just too inconsistent. They were told they could have all these freedoms back, and then they didn't. So I think the amount of people who believe the experts now is lower than ever. And the people who do, I think it's equivalent to if a slave master puts shackles on you,

Starting point is 00:34:35 and instead of blaming the slave master, he points out the people running free and being like, yo, that's why you're not allowed to get free. As soon as they put their shackles on, you can leave. And the people that believe that, I'm not saying this is exactly what Kanye was saying, but when he was talking about, I would have rebelled earlier, they took it out of context and acted like he said slavery was everyone's fault. But what he was trying to say is hundreds of years of that, I think it should have ended sooner and probably people like him would have ended it. And it's the people who complained about what he said are the same ones that are falling for this trap. So it's, you know, they have like Stockholm syndrome where the people that are

Starting point is 00:35:12 stealing their freedoms, they think are the heroes. And they don't even realize that it's the people that are not wearing the mask and the people that are not complying are the only reason that they maybe even got their freedom back in the first place. It wasn't following the rules. You know, I think the shackle like metaphor is pretty, pretty spot on. That is super spot on. Let's, let's, let's talk about, you know, the current, current stage of events in the world. I've got, I've got a friend whose parents were Ukrainian refugees in the eighties and they moved here. He was born here. First generation American, Alex Rybczynski. He's been on this podcast.

Starting point is 00:35:48 One of my best friends. Phenomenal dude. And he's been pretty clued in on all the stuff. We're in text threads, sending each other new info and shit like that. But it amazes me how quickly one thing pops up and it's like a re-divert. Here you go, look at this. And how many people are, even if they were quote unquote COVID aware of some of the fuckery taking

Starting point is 00:36:13 place and some of the inconsistencies, that it's hook, line, and sinker with what's happening, you know, on a global scale with Russia and Ukraine right now. What are your thoughts on all of that? Because I've seen plenty of videos from Tim Pool-like people who have been there and it just, it really looks staged in a way. Yeah. So the first thing that stuck out to me, well, with the average person, like they don't, they just fall head deep into it. I mean, I respect somebody that has family from Ukraine because at least they have a perspective. But in Ukraine, just like in certain parts of Africa and in America, there's a different social dynamic everywhere, racial dynamic. There's Russian people in Ukraine. There's more pro-Ukrainian people there. There's all these groups like the

Starting point is 00:36:57 Azov Battalion. So the average person doesn't really know that. And I think to be fair about it, you have to understand that, understand what you do and don't know. So I was hesitant at first. I never fell knee deep into the propaganda like a lot of right-wing pages did. And the reason, I think, is because a year or two ago, I stumbled on Zelensky's Wikipedia, the president of Ukraine, and I found his story fascinating. I covered it last year, and I recovered it this year in a way viral, but he's an actor producer who has a production company called Kvartal 95. And it's not just, oh, he's an actor who became president because that's not a big deal. It's whatever. He did a show for three years before he was president called Servant of the People. He produced it himself. The production company was created by

Starting point is 00:37:42 himself. He was the star of the show. I mean, he put the whole thing together and he played this average teacher, history teacher, who became the president of Ukraine for three years and basically psyop brainwashed or entertained people into thinking he was this average everyday person when he's really just an actor and a producer. So he produced this role of him as the president of Ukraine, won the election with like 70 something percent because the whole country loved him off the show. And then his production company created his political party, which is called Servant of the People. So he created his production company, created an actual real life political party. And now he's banning a bunch of opposition parties and media. He's going like full dictator. So, you know, I'm not saying Putin's good, Ukraine's bad.

Starting point is 00:38:25 I'm not saying Ukrainians don't have their own story if they live there. But this idea that this guy is just like, you know, I have to just worship this guy. I mean, recently, Israel was the first country to stand up to him because everyone's like slobbering over him saying, crying. You know, Israel got pissed at him because he's comparing Ukraine to Hitler's final solution. I mean, the dude is a straight up actor. He's just like, we're going through the same thing you went through. And the Israelis are like, no, you're not, dude. They borderline said he was a Holocaust denier because he's just rewriting history to make it seem like Ukraine are like the Jews or something in World War II. And they got pissed. So it's like, you know, this dude kind of sucks. I think NATO overplayed their hand. I think there's a really

Starting point is 00:39:10 complex history of what's going on there. And that's kind of my take. But when you say something like that, they'll be like, what are you, Putin's propaganda puppet? And I'm like, no, I just, you know, I mean, just that actor story in general is fascinating. Like, you know, how could you not think a little bit about it? And like you said, with some of the videos, I mean, it's even people that support him are like, is he is he on a green screen? You know what I'm saying? Like, I've seen a mainstream reporter say that it looks like he is on a green screen. So I got a lot of questions. That's all I'll say.

Starting point is 00:39:41 Yeah, I got questions. I mean, a lot of the questions I have are like anything, you know, after the last two years that come, that comes anytime there's a, a universal onslaught across the board from Fox news to CNN to MSNBC. If it's, if it's coming across all three similarly, then it's like, okay, there's a driving point here, you know? And I didn't use to think that way. I mean, I think most people, especially if you grew up in the 80s,

Starting point is 00:40:09 you're like, all right, Fox News is right wing, MSNBC is left wing and CNN's down the middle. They're somewhere central. And over the last two years, countless videos have come up across Instagram. My brother, Mickey Willis, put it in Plandemic Indoctrination, but the hundreds and hundreds of TV channels that are all owned by the same corporations showing verbatim the same script reads around

Starting point is 00:40:30 Amazon is doing their best to keep everything coming direct to your door during this time of crisis and pandemic that we need them to. And you can see the script and it's even the small stations. It's on a local level, local CBS in California. It's every single one. And they're all reading the same script. You're like, how is that coordinated? Well, it's likely coordinated a little bit easier if you understand there's only nine companies that own every fucking cable channel, every radio station, everything. There are nine. And you think of, do these guys work together?

Starting point is 00:41:05 It's pretty easy to see when you can listen to what's coming through on every single channel. When Trump did the State of the Union, I think it was one of his last State of the Union, you know, Democrats didn't agree on anything he did, except for he starts talking about like regime changes in Venezuela, you know, and everybody gets up, Republicans, Democrats. And I even thought it was weird at the time because it's like, I'm not pro or anti-Venezuela, God bless the Venezuelans, but it's like the fact that they had a Venezuelan political leader at the American State of the Union, that was weird to me. And they did the same thing with Ukraine. They had Ukrainian flags, Ukrainian leaders at an American state of the union.

Starting point is 00:41:45 Like, does Ukraine do that at their state of the union? Do they have like George Bush there? It's just weird. You know, like America is such a compromised country. It's bananas. But yeah, I mean, it's definitely like Sean Hannity's, you know, Republicans' best friends for four years. And then the war comes around.

Starting point is 00:42:01 He's slobbering like he was during the Iraq war. You really see cream rises to the crop. Tucker's standing up against it. They hate Joe Rogan because he's independently thinking and he will speak out. So you start to see at times like this that there is some sort of concerted war agenda. And I understand it's complex. But in my opinion, it seems to me like the West kind of overplayed its hand. And I'm a little bummed about it because India is still trading with Russia and they're a big ally. They don't care what we say anymore. China is laughing at us. Russia is laughing at us.

Starting point is 00:42:33 Germany is dependent on oil from Russia. So they can't even do anything like Trump told them about and they didn't want to hear it. So I feel like for the first time in modern history, people don't respect us anymore. People don't trust us. And this is where it sucks because I like America more than Russia and China. I don't want to be there. I don't support them. But as a self-aware person, it would be like if you lost three fights in a row or I lost four basketball games in a row. At a certain point, you got to look at yourself and be like, all right, what am I doing wrong? I can't just blame everyone else. And my analysis is we're even less honest than Russia and China as a state. They're aggressive, they're authoritarian, but they don't really sugarcoat it. We're the type

Starting point is 00:43:13 that'll stab you in the back instead of the front. And I think people like Russia and China are looking at each other like, I know you'll stab me in the front. And that makes you somewhat trustworthy, where no one trusts our word. We've invaded more countries than anybody. We cry about Uyghur camps, but we do really wicked stuff to our own people. We cry about what Saudi Arabia does, but we're doing wicked things as well. I'm not saying that we can't disagree with certain things we're doing and people can't have an opinion in the free America. I think they should.

Starting point is 00:43:40 But this idea that we're this moral arbiter of the world, I think everyone's starting to call our bluff. And they're right. You know, We're not. We've fallen off and we're embarrassing ourselves. So I think even with China, a lot of people say, we got to stop doing business with China. The best way to do that is create USA products. I have my own website for USA products only. I agree. But at the same time, if you want to do it for moral reasons, I agree with you. But if you want to cut off China for moral reasons, then you're going to have to cut off Saudi Arabia. Then you're going to have to cut off Russia. Then you're going to have to cut off everyone. And then you're going to starve to death, you know? So you got to be real smart, I think, with your moves. And I do think that America, for the first time, people are starting to, you know, reshift kind of the world and call our bluffs. Yeah, there's no doubt about that. Where do you fall in line on, you know,

Starting point is 00:44:28 the Ike and Jones conversation of the international stuff at play? Like the, and it's not even just them at this point, but let's say, you know, with the agenda of the Great Reset and Klaus Schwab, the World economic forum, how do you see that playing out right now? You know,

Starting point is 00:44:49 obviously they, they put forward, we'll link to this in the show notes for people who missed it, but there's a great ad of what they used to call the fourth industrial revolution. They now call it a great reset and it, and it shows, you know,

Starting point is 00:45:00 by 2030 you'll own nothing and you'll rent everything and you'll be happy. Things will be delivered to your door via drone. And they just go through this whole list. You'll spend, you'll eat less meat. Meat will be more of a treat, right? Right. You'll spend less time in nature, but digital realities will have come a long way and will be as good as the real thing.

Starting point is 00:45:19 Like it just goes down, down, down, right? And so you kind of get to see if there is an influence in the world, and there is, because you can track, you know, I think Marcon, Prime Minister of France, Justin Trudeau. There's a laundry list of people that have graduated from Klaus Schwab's Future Leaders of the World, something like whatever that's called. Right. And you can see, like, they are put into power. And Rogan had a podcast. Did you listen to the podcast with, uh, Majid Nawaz? Very great. He was very impressive. Yeah. Oh, he was impressive. Right. And then they played the, the Darth Vader music while, while Schwab is, is basically,

Starting point is 00:45:58 you know, sounding off like a, like a James Bond villain of how they've influenced and infiltrated every major government in the world. And it's true. These guys aren't just cabinet members. They're fucking running the show. So where do you see that influence and ability and the fact that the many heads of Hydra has kind of worked its way into the international scene? How do you see that panning out? What are the best ways we can do to defend that from coming through? Yeah. So I want to start with a few things

Starting point is 00:46:28 because I'm going to get down to who I think are really beefing right now. Because I do think there's like three or two groups really fighting hard at the top. But before the World Economic Forum, the UN, everyone's like, oh my God, the United Nations, the World Health Organization. I think it's like the WHO, they do... What's the my God, the United Nations, the World Health Organization. I think it's like the WHO. They do. What's the. Yeah, I guess UN created the World Health Organization. But UN was really created by Russia when they were communist. China had a hand in it when Mao Zedong was around there.

Starting point is 00:46:57 So, I mean, to me, the whole thing was always a communist jump off. You know, it wasn't just like protect Europe. These people are straight communists. So I think that was always destined to turn into communism, which it has. The World Economic Forum was a place, I guess, Klaus Schwab created to have world leaders, businesses kind of merge, which is also communism in a sense, when you have everybody working in unison. I get that you want to have also places people can talk and meet up. There's nothing nefarious about that in theory. But I read Klaus Schwab's book, COVID-19, The Great Reset.

Starting point is 00:47:29 It's a book. It's not a conspiracy theory. He wrote what he thinks. And the dude is a total communist-minded person. He doesn't believe in competition. He believes in government intervention over competition. He wrote that. I have it highlighted.

Starting point is 00:47:41 So I could see he doesn't believe in American values at all. And it's frightening that these people have gotten so much control over different politicians. So with that being said, I think their agenda is absolutely the centralization of power and really having a global government that supersedes everything. And here's where it gets interesting, because it's like Russia and Ukraine. It's a proxy war. Ukraine, the people are great, no question, but Ukraine is a puppet state for NATO, America, and our allies. I mean, Zelensky's just running around begging for help. Nobody cares about him that much. They care enough to send some stuff, but not enough to start a real war. But in general, it's like this is the real, I think, power dynamic going on. In America, you have the two parties, Republicans and Democrats. I believe they're both kind of

Starting point is 00:48:31 working in the same direction. Regime change Venezuela, they're in on the World Economic Forum type stuff. Even the Republicans, I always say on my channel, most of them, you don't really get high in the Republican Party unless you're a Zionist, which is like, you know, massive worshiper of Israel. And in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with that. If you prioritize America first, the problem is they never do. And on the left wing, you know, they're very communist minded. They don't believe really in anything. It's America last. They're Zionist sometimes. Sometimes they turn on Israel. You know, it's like they don't. But in general, the communists in the left wing, in my opinion, and the Zionists in the right wing, they really come together and serve the same foreign policy most of the

Starting point is 00:49:10 time, almost completely. And they're beefing with Russia and China right now. You know, China's communist, but they're national communists. They don't they're not world communists. They just believe in China. Russia is kind of the same way. Not authoritarian, I'd say, over communists. But they believe in the Russian state.

Starting point is 00:49:27 So you'll see the only thing that George Soros, Donald Trump, Washington Post, all these people who seemingly don't agree on anything, right, left wing, right wing, they all agree that Russia and China are major threats, right? You'll see George Soros tweet, China's a huge threat. And everyone is like, I don't get it. I thought he was on their side. And it's not to say that China's good or anything, but this is kind of the global breakdown, I think. I think the global communist slash Zionist slash that NATO, all these people working with the West are really beefing with Russia and China.

Starting point is 00:50:02 And Russia and China have kind of merged. Iran is kind of working with them, other countries. So that's kind of like World War III being shadowed. And it's kind of creepy because I feel like I don't even have a horse in the race. Yeah, I guess I want the West to win, but I don't know. It's getting to the point where I'm confused if we're even the good guys in this situation. Because it's like in China, they do stuff, but it's like they're limiting the kids from playing video games. They're trying to make them work out.

Starting point is 00:50:30 In Russia, they're much more Christian and have like a better moral base, in my opinion, than here. And then in America, it's going like full blown. It's like be 700 pounds, like, you know, Lil Nas X is sodomizing the devil. Like you can't go outside and play sports, but you could suck down Pfizer pills. I'm like, I don't know that this we're the good guys in this battle, but

Starting point is 00:50:48 you know, I pray that God wins and, you know, everybody gets a little hole here, but I think that's kind of the power dynamic. The, uh, you know, the global communists who want to control everything are, are beefing with Russia and China because they can't control them in a weird way. That's what I think is going on. Yeah. And I think Russia is, I mean, they're both, they are both nationalists. So you can say what you want about that. And for the most part, and I go both ways on this too. I mean, I remember reading Conversations with God and through Neil Donald Walsh, the author of God Speaks, you know, and so you take that with a grain of salt, but there's brilliant, brilliant

Starting point is 00:51:25 stuff in the series of those books. But one of the things that he says, interestingly, in the third one is that a one world government is necessary going forward because we are one world, right? We're all one people. And like, if you have a plant medicine experience, like you come to that understanding, there is, it blurs the lines of separation and individuation in that you, you, there's almost a remembrance that we are one being, we are one truly. And that's a beautiful thing to understand. Who's in charge of that is a different understanding, right? And if I look at current governments anywhere on the fucking globe, I do not want to see any of them rise to the position of the ability to control the entire earth. I mean, it just seems absurd, you know?

Starting point is 00:52:08 So I thought that was that, that stuck, that was a thorn in my side that stuck out in that book. But, um, you know, I bring that up because I understand nationalism. I understand, you know, wanting to take care of, of where you're at regionally. And if we do decentralize the whole thing, then it truly even becomes more local. It's not just buy local, it's produce local, it's local governance. I remember driving, and I've told this a couple of times on the podcast, but my first time I was in Kentucky, I saw that they had little signs in the driveways every now and then. One would say, keep such and such county dry, keep such and such County wet. And I was like, Oh,

Starting point is 00:52:47 I was like, what is that? And they're like, Oh, they don't have alcohol here. And I was like, alcohol is illegal in the whole County. And my buddy told me that. And I was like, that's fucking lame. You know? And then later as I grew older, I was like, that's, that's brilliant. They decide, they decide if they want it or not. Right. And if they, if a bunch of people get together and they say like, fuck that alcohol is bad, we don't want to deal with it. We don't even want it here. They should have every right to decide that.

Starting point is 00:53:09 Right. And there should be places where they can decide how much they're going to pay in taxes, how much they want to do on this, how much they want to do on that. Like if you, if you ultimately decentralize to that point, like where's the congruency is the argument. So obviously there's a balance point there, but we do need to take care of the earth. We do need to take care of each other. We do need to have some common ground, like foundational principles that we're all a part of. I don't think we need a central power

Starting point is 00:53:33 telling us that. And I don't think we need a centralized digital currency to enforce that. Right. Yeah. I guess on like a spiritual level, I'm kind of a hippie where it's like, you know, I love everybody. I can fit in in different situations, enjoy people's culture. I've never really had an issue on that. And, you know, I love, you know, everybody everywhere. Not everybody. I mean, there's annoying people, but you get what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:54:00 I don't have like spiritually, I feel like my message is for everyone. It's not for a specific group of people. But at the same time, as you grow up, as you start learning things, I'll give you an example. I live in Orange County now. I lived in Los Angeles. There are two different places. I mean, it's cleaner here. It's nicer. It's safer. I mean, things change. But in general, California is always trying to dictate what we have to do. And they want us to be more like LA. And it's like, I don't want to be like LA. LA kind of sucks in my opinion now. And it's going downhill because left-wingers don't know what they're doing. But they always want to control everyone else. So that's my problem where it's

Starting point is 00:54:32 like, yeah, I think it's natural whether people like it or not as technology advances in the 50s, you only had a phone in your house. Now you have a supercomputer in your hand that you can literally, you know, find a date in like, I don't know, Zimbabwe or something. It's crazy. So naturally things are going to mix and match, but I think the people in power are doing really almost like the worst things morally. Like they're totally out of touch. And I think, you know, cultures, people, counties should have a right to do what they want because these people running the show, they're not these moral arbiters playing God like, oh, we're going to make it better everywhere. They're really making it worse everywhere.

Starting point is 00:55:14 So like you said, I mean, China, Russia, America are allies. I don't see anyone doing it right. But I would argue almost like, you know, I would hate to say we're doing it the worst because I think what China and Russia is doing is bad and Europe, et cetera. But like, I really do think we've really lost it. Like even with the sports thing, like this is generic, but you know, that was like a joke 10 years ago, because it's even if you're like the least hateful person, you support everybody. It's like biologically, you know, chromosome wise, like it's just, everybody knows like the NBA would just maul the WNBA, but now that's stuff we're pushing. So it's like, I don't see, I don't see these people being able to control the world

Starting point is 00:55:57 in the right direction. Like I see them enslaving everybody. So I've become much more of like a, you know, a patriot and somebody who values America freedom and like, you know, small town stuff more than ever, because I see those global, you know, communist minded people are a mess and they're so dishonest. And they're they're the type to stab you in the back. And like I said, with Russia and China, I don't like them. I like America better. But that's the type of people that are stab you in the front.

Starting point is 00:56:22 You know who they are. That's who Trump really was. You know, that's why people like Trump. Like he wasn't perfect, but he's the type. I that are stab you in the front. You know who they are. That's who Trump really was. You know, that's why people like Trump. Like he wasn't perfect, but he's the type. I'm a stab you in the front that the backstabber types and the Western like liberalism really needs to shift because these people are a mess on like a spiritual level. I love everybody on a political level. I'm more libertarian conservative than I've ever been because I'm like these psychos need

Starting point is 00:56:44 to get away from my speech, guns, freedom, everything, taxes, literally everything. I feel like they're doing everything wrong. Yeah. We, I grew up in the Bay area in the Silicon Valley and, uh, you know, grew up pretty, pretty liberal. And then coming out here to Texas and just seeing the world stage shift, it's obvious, you know, I've obviously become quite a bit more libertarian and, and, and I'm still, you know, I probably still probably lean left on a, your standard list of political issues if you were to go back through them. But, but the push from that is when we were like, I'm never going to fucking say I'm progressive again, ever. Like there's no point in doing that. There was a meme the other day of a guy on a motorcycle blasting past a bunch of mountain bikers. And he said,

Starting point is 00:57:26 motorcyclist identifies as bicyclist, breaks world record in cycling. This is what we're doing right now. How was that something that becomes a hard conversation point? It's fucking absurd to say that that's something we can't talk about. That's exactly what's happening in the world. And people are trying to make believe and pretend and paint with imagination that there are no differences between men and women, that there are no differences in many of the things that we're trying to say is just a choice. Right. This is up from a video I did yesterday, but it's the dictionary definition of liberal. It's on Google. I think it's from Oxford Dictionary. It says,

Starting point is 00:58:10 willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own, open to new ideas. That's what the word liberal actually means, willing to respect or accept behavior opinions. The modern day left went full authoritarian. So I would say the right wing has shifted left, and the realist liberals,, by definition are libertarian or apolitical. Like the, the modern left has lost that liberalness that made them so appealing when we were younger, you know, the open-mindedness drugs, whatever, they've kind of lost it. They've gone insane. And, um, it's really fake. You know, I've always been into real stuff, real music, real. I didn't like, I never liked fake, you know, who, I mean, who does, you know, what's, who wants fake? Nobody's like, I want a fake wife or, you know, it's like, I was like, I want a real thing. I want real food, not fake food, but, um, you know, they're, they're,

Starting point is 00:58:53 they're fake. And like, even with all the race stuff, like, I don't care anymore because, uh, you know, I guess after years of like, you know, easing in on it, I just don't care what people say or think, uh, in that regard. But it's like, they're always trying to call everybody racist, this and that. But it's like, dude, if you pulled up at like a black barbecue and started talking, everyone would be like, yo, you're a weirdo. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not authentic. You're creepy. Like, you know, it doesn't feel right. Like everything they do is just so fake now. They're afraid to do anything funny. They're afraid to say anything raw. They're afraid to say anything raw. They're

Starting point is 00:59:25 afraid to tell the truth. I mean, they're afraid to not only afraid to do it, but trying to limit other people from doing it. Okay. If we have a gender disagreement, I mean, there's science around it, but I think in America, you should be able to say, you know what now with hormones, you know, people are taking hormones, they're growing tits. They are a woman. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't, you know, You should be allowed to make that statement. But what they're doing is saying there's no such thing as two genders. And if you say that, that's hate speech and you need to be banned off the internet. That's crazy authoritarian shit. It's like China goes authoritarian and says kids are not allowed to play video games during the week. We want them to work out and watch science videos.

Starting point is 01:00:04 That's authoritarianism trying to make them smarter. I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's going to work. It might backfire. I don't agree with it. But that's the idea of what they're trying to do. It's like, let's make our kids smarter, stronger, so China's a better nation. In America, it's like Satan's running the show. It's like, how can we make people as evil, stupid, fat, degenerate, depressed, upside down, upside down? Like if you want to transition in your 26, that's on you. If you want to transition a five-year-old, like that's insane. And they're now, they now have an issue with that. So, you know, I have a hard time believing that we're the moral arbiters of the

Starting point is 01:00:39 world. And yeah, the left has gone from like liberal to like authority. I call them authoritarian psychopaths. Yeah. I remember when Rogan was talking about, you know, the shift over in LA where he compared the percentage of the population that actually has done sex change or whatever you want to call it, at least hormone therapy versus the percentage in the schools that they were seeing. And the percentage of the schools was like 5X higher. Right. It was 5X higher, right? It didn't mirror that of society.

Starting point is 01:01:08 And that was like the first light switch going on. And one of the things that they were saying from the teachers down, that if a kid had questions about that, they were teaching parents that that was your only option was to say yes without saying you would lose the child otherwise. Right. And that's like if you if you even questioned about seeing a psychologist, maybe we should see a psychologist first. That could that could result in CPS showing up at your door. Yeah, there was a story recently of this Hispanic woman. I forget what country she was from. Imm, came here. Her kid ended up being pushed into transitioning by the school, ended up committing suicide with all these hormone imbalances, depressed, killed themselves. And she feels terrible.

Starting point is 01:01:53 And she didn't want it to happen, but they weren't allowing her to not want it to happen. So it's straight up child abuse. And there's nothing anti-gay or anti-LGBT about it. When you're young, if someone told me I was a fireman or a power ranger, you believe it. You don't know anything. I mean, I would argue with men. I don't know women, but with men, it takes you till like mid-20s to really figure out who you are, let alone like when you're 14. So this is just straight up abuse and people need to think about it because some people go through emo phases. Some people go through sporty phases,

Starting point is 01:02:30 drug phases. That doesn't necessarily mean that's who you are. And then once you're an adult, you can figure it out. They're pushing it so hard that it's not just kids who would have naturally figured this out or felt this way. It's almost like you're a bad... It's like being white now. You know what I'm saying? They act like you're just default horrible if you don't just get on your knees and cry. So I feel like they're making straight kids feel that way too,, it's like being white now, you know what I'm saying? They act like you're just default horrible if you don't just like get on your knees and cry. So I feel like they're making straight kids feel that way too, where it's like, you know, it's almost safer to just be like gay or something or transition. Cause it's like, dang, I'm a white man. Shit. Or, you know, like, oh man, people hate me. If I was gay, you know, maybe I'd, maybe I'd get bullied less or something. I think there's a huge social and, you know, like psychological, they're just teaching it and pumping it into these kids' heads so early.

Starting point is 01:03:09 Yeah. Rogan brought that up too, I think with Douglas Murray, who, what's the name of his book? The Madness of Crowds. Phenomenal, phenomenal book. But he brought up like, if a kid was called fat, if an overweight kid was called fat, you know, they might get in trouble for that. But if you call an, an overweight, uh, trans person fat, then that's hate speech. Right. So it's almost like a way to, to, to bulletproof yourself against something that's, that's kind of one of the ugly faces of childhood. And it speaks to your upbringing and my upbringing too. Like I, I didn't, I would fight or run, but I never stood around taking shit. I would always talk shit back.

Starting point is 01:03:48 And sometimes that meant me running a quarter mile away from somebody as fast as I could, or it meant me standing and kicking their ass. But I wasn't going to sit there and put up with it. Most people don't operate that way. And if they find there's a relief button I can push that changes everything, where I'll never get picked on again, that becomes pretty alluring. Yeah, I think also, too, hate speech, obviously, that's just a term to take away free speech. What does that mean?

Starting point is 01:04:15 You could hate the truth. You could hate science. If you hate science, does science hate speech now? So you never want to give people the power of that. But also hate crime. I don't know if this is a controversial opinion because I don't see much people saying this, but I don't think there should be a such thing as a hate crime. A crime is a crime. If you, you know, punch a transgender in the face or like an Asian guy in the face, like for no reason, you know, that's assault.

Starting point is 01:04:37 And I think it should be across the board. To me, that's true equality and justice. What a hate crime means is you could burn an American flag in this country. But if you burn an LGBT flag, you're, you know, you could have a Trump dump sentence of like eight years. I'm not saying you should burn other people's property, but, you know, the whole idea of hate speech and hate crime is really injustice. And it's, like you said, I mean, it's like, you're not, it's a shield for some of the world's most wicked people to hide behind, hide their political social agenda. And that's what they're doing. They're using groups, racial groups, LGBT groups, because that's the perfect shield.

Starting point is 01:05:13 And I think a lot of people are waking up to that. Yeah, they talked a bit about how environmentalism would be one of the big pushes, you know, the, one of the big pushes to drive people towards smart grid cities and, uh, you know, prevent them from being out in the country and messing up the earth. And, uh, as if like somebody who's got a hundred acres is fucking up the earth, uh, as opposed to some of these bigger corporations. But, um, you know, this, this, this drive away from that with, with something that is something that truly, that could be something that brings us all together. It is something where we say like, Hey, on a world stage, we shouldn't be dumping chemicals on the soil. It's fucking up our food supply.

Starting point is 01:05:52 It's making us unhealthy and it's likely the cause of the rapid rise and deterioration in human health. Yeah. That can, that you can track that. But you know, jumping on climate change bandwagon and saying like humans are bad. We are the virus and that we should be all inside all day long with our Oculus headset on, you know, doing Zoom calls that way, as opposed to actually getting out into nature and being healthy and one with our environment. Right. I just see that as a complete co-opt of something that has partial truth to it and is now a part of the agenda as well. Nailed it. Yeah. And this is hard for people to grasp because it's like, whether it's like BLM or stuff, it doesn't mean that there isn't certain things racially and environmentally that's going on.

Starting point is 01:06:36 I'm the biggest hippie. I love the ocean. I'm there all the time. I love the sun. I love nature. You know, I'm such a hippie. Clean the ocean, clean the water, all of that. But here's what people don't realize on the left. Environmentalism has been completely hijacked, completely hijacked to the point where people don't even think about cleaning the water, cleaning the soil, cleaning the ocean. These are afterthoughts because everyone just says climate change,

Starting point is 01:06:58 climate change, like COVID. And they don't have to explain themselves. And they've been told they don't have to debate it, right? It's over, it's settled science. This is is what it is but then there's no intelligent discussion so first of all it has nothing to do with a lot of root level stuff the food industry in america is a disaster canola oil high fructose corn syrup the pharmacy industry is corrupt they have pro-environmentalist climate change activists supporting monsanto and and bay. And you know what I'm saying? It makes absolutely no sense covering up some of the worst perpetrators of environmental destruction. They don't care about reality and science. For example, let's say I agree completely,

Starting point is 01:07:36 solar-powered energy would be the best, right? If we could get it properly, everything powered by the sun, no oil, no pollution, no smoke, no anything. But how do Teslas work? And I like Elon Musk. It's like, are there lithium mines that they have to mine? Well, you have to put that into the equation, right? How do they charge? What powers the charging stations, right? You have to put that into consideration. Is nuclear as bad as you say? If not, then don't get rid of it. We need it. Do you have a plan to get to that next thing? If you're trying to get carbon out of the air, which you're not even allowed to debate about, but they claim that they're trying to do that and it's going to

Starting point is 01:08:13 change the climate, can you stop China? If you can't, then your equation doesn't matter. You can't stop India. You know what I'm saying? So it's turned into this anti-America left-wing brainwashing tactic where they just hate on America. And I'm like, no, I agree. Okay, so what are we going to do about China? Oh, well, we're not even talking about China. And if we did talk about it, we still can't do anything about it.

Starting point is 01:08:33 Then your whole equation fails. So, you know, it's become this sort of thing that's like a firewall. It's like, this is environmentalism, brainwash all the kids with it. Now the kids know nothing about root level health. They know nothing about pollution. They know nothing about 99% of environmentalism, brainwashed all the kids with it. Now the kids know nothing about root level health. They know nothing about pollution. They know nothing about 99% of environmentalism. And they are dead set on the one thing that when it's all said and done, they're not even going

Starting point is 01:08:53 to be able to accomplish because they're not doing anything. You need to think about all this stuff. It's not just like I say green new deal and that works. Where's the money going to go? Are you going to build it fast enough? Is it what you think it is? Is it really sustainable? Cause you still have solar panels. And so, you know, it's, it's, they don't think about any of this stuff that I just said. And it's, you know, you talk to the average climate change activists, they look at you like you got 15 heads. Like, I don't, I just wear a shirt. I don't really think. Yeah. I think having, having the performance background and, and everything, you performance background and everything from the fight game just to be better in sport really helped me under. They just folded into a large company that tested on people in Nazi Germany and makes your aspirin.

Starting point is 01:09:49 Like, those guys are around. But I think about this stuff, industrial agriculture, and, you know, there were videos from the CDC. And I forget which one. It was one of the many documentaries I've consumed rabbit hole in the last two years. But there was like a public health video from the CDC of them spraying DDT from a prop crop duster over, over a field while people are eating,

Starting point is 01:10:12 having a picnic outside. And then some guy walks by with one of these heavy metal cans, just spraying it out into their faces while they're eating sandwiches and smiling like DDT it's safe enough for everyone, you know, like that kind of deal. And it's like, Oh, you fast forward a little bit. That wasn't safe for anybody that fucked up a whole generation. That was a big, big, big deal. And we have probably in the ballpark of millions

Starting point is 01:10:36 of chemicals being developed annually, at least, you know, every other year that are introduced and they're never, they're never pulled until there's an after the fact the moment, right. There's never, they're never pulled until there's an after the fact moment, right? There's never, they're never pulled until there's an, Oh, Hey, this actually, this actually hurt a lot of people. And we're going to have to pay a lot of money. Okay. Now we have to get rid of that thing. But you think about things like that. And it's like, we've seen this over and over and over again. And people don't want to admit that people don't want to admit like there were doctors, actors, of course, but actors in white lab coats pretending to be doctors saying like, even your doctor recommends camel, you know, and they're smoking cigarettes. Like, this is cool.

Starting point is 01:11:13 This is safe. That this shit has gone on and gone on and gone on. And for some reason, we've got like a long-term memory issue with that. Like we can't look back far enough and then connect those dots going forward to say like maybe we're being directed in an area we shouldn't be going. Right. And it's never stopped. It's like the history of it is clear

Starting point is 01:11:34 and it's so recent that it just keeps happening. Even during the pandemic, Johnson & Johnson settled out a multi-billion dollar opioid lawsuit. Their sunscreens are getting taken off the market. Like it's never ended. And I think what's going on is these pharmaceutical companies

Starting point is 01:11:49 are just lobbying all of Washington. They're lobbying all media. They're lobbying and paying off celebrities. They're paying off special interest groups to pay off celebrities. And the average person just doesn't realize how nefarious it is. It's always constantly

Starting point is 01:12:05 happening. And I believe everything they've ever done in the food industry, in the medical industry, they've killed millions of people. It's confirmed. They made mistakes, whatever. Millions of people have gotten heart disease, whatever. They've never had to pay... Maybe I'm wrong, but they're always paying fines that are lower than what they made. And nobody's going to jail. So it's almost like they don't really care because business-wise, you make 20 billion, you pay a 3 billion fine or whatever, you just netted 17 billion.

Starting point is 01:12:32 And that's what used to make me lean left because, and that's why it's so crazy that the left is like totally delusional and they're like sucking off big pharma. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen because when I was young, it's always the right wing is like capitalism, capitalism. I get why competition and capitalism is a good idea. But what I believe we need is moral capitalism. And I don't know how to enforce that. I mean,

Starting point is 01:12:52 people need to have a soul. You shouldn't want to hurt 20 million people to make $20 million. You should want to help people and make it. And if it hurts people, you got to switch your product. But that's why I always disliked America. Because I was like, wow, we're the greatest country in the world. But we got the crappiest food. Nobody realizes it. We're just doing anything for a dollar and it's super wrong. That's why it's so strange to see like conservatives realizing that now because they're so pro-capitalism that they always ignored that in my opinion. And it's the left that has like, you know, systemically they're backing up all of these agendas that are not doing anything that they

Starting point is 01:13:25 think. It's so bizarre. And yeah, I think the reason people don't know this is because there's billions of dollars going into brainwashing people to not realize it. And sadly, during the CARES Act, when Trump signed that during 2020, I mean, how much money do you think they gave to big pharma and big government to use? I mean, they signed off trillions of dollars. So how much of that went to brainwashing people into thinking that this stuff's okay? It's way worse than people think. It's not random. They just made a mistake. There's a concerted effort to stop people from thinking like we're thinking right now. It reminds me of a book that I'm halfway through. It's one of my favorites that I've read in the last few years. It's called The End to Upside-Down Liberty by Mark Gober.

Starting point is 01:14:10 I'll link to that in the show notes. It's only like seven and a half hours on Audible, but it's a brilliant, brilliant book. And it proposes many of the things that we're talking about. And it starts with psychology. It starts with CIA brainwashing techniques. And then the science, there is real science of a lot of these studies that showed the way human thinking works and how to manipulate that thinking. And then it continues to dive further and really just breaks down like, what if our government was not who we thought it was? What if government as a whole was not what we thought it was? And what if it wasn't as necessary as we give them the power to believe and think so?

Starting point is 01:14:48 And it's just an excellent, excellent viewpoint. He's a libertarian, and he really just breaks down much of the thought process. It's a very recent book, so it breaks down the last couple of years and how things unfolded for us. You know, there was a great meme that said, two weeks to flatten the curve, went to take the jab or you lose your job, went to, if you protest us, we'll freeze your bank accounts. And we're still the conspiracy theorists, right? And I was like, oh God, that sums up two and a half years pretty well.

Starting point is 01:15:20 That really does. But yeah, I encourage people to check that book out. And I want to hear your comments on that. But I also know we've got just a little bit of time left. And I'd love to get your opinion on what is the way forward for humanity? What are the ways that you connect to your soul? What are the ways that you stay bright and light and full of faith in knowing that just a, just one big cosmic giggle and that, um, you know, it is for the evolution of human consciousness in some weird fucked up way. Yeah. Well, before I answered that, when you were talking, when saying like, you know, they're, they're, see, I was brainwashing people and that there's also foreign countries doing it. I was thinking in my head, I was like, what I really do, like I say, I do news analysis. I feel like I'm an unraveler where it's like everybody's got an agenda. Everybody's selling something.

Starting point is 01:16:08 Everybody's like, you know, there's like 20 different propagandas going on at once. And people are, their brains are scrambled. So I'm like, I'm always trying to unravel it. And I'm like, that's what, you know, and like calm it down and be like, all right, what's going on here? I'm not going to push some sort of crazy agenda, but try to like see through the cracks on like, what can we do or what's the way forward? I know for myself, my life was changed when I stopped being so, I would say, less confident. I had more envy, jealousy, anger, hatred,

Starting point is 01:16:37 stuff like that. I was never super hateful, but that was holding me back when I was younger. And once I realized what I was grateful for, my whole life changed. I used to always look at other rappers and say like, okay, they had a rich father, they did this, that, they suck. And when my life started changing, when I was like, oh, but I have a cell phone. I have a day, I got today, I got this cell phone,

Starting point is 01:16:59 let's see what I could do with it. Gratefulness, appreciation, that definitely changed my life. And I think it's enabled me to be better at everything like marketing instead of being like, yo, this rapper sucks being like, yo, this rapper is not as good as Kendrick Lamar. That's clear. But what is he doing? Right. He must be doing something right. If he's so big, like, what is it? The sound, the videos, he's got a good team. So that's definitely changed my life. And I think the only way to be at true peace is like with yourself. Nobody can really do it for you. You kind of control your own mindset. You know, you could be 300 pounds or, you know, jacked. I mean, you know, I could get stronger. I could go to let my body go to shit. It's really up to me at the end of the day. I mean, there's going to be backups and stuff. But I think that's what, if enough people got right internally, everything would change.

Starting point is 01:17:46 And I think even amongst the craziest times, if you get right internally, you're grateful, appreciative, you focus on yourself, you try to block the anger and hate out of yourself and be more present. These things definitely changed my life. And I think if people started doing that more, one, the world would be a better place and we could start to really connect and figure things out. And two, even if things get worse or things get crazy, you'll be able to enjoy your life. And I know for me, being myself, being the best version of myself and being, like I said, grateful, appreciative, etc. It's kind of like filtered my life. People that are not meant to be in it have gravitated away and very cool people that I would have never met have gravitated towards it.

Starting point is 01:18:30 So I think, you know, in a weird way, this whole pandemic, although it was crazy and liberty wise, I'm bummed about what's going on. I would say I got blessed extraordinarily by just going against the grain, being true to myself and, you know, working hard. So I think if you work hard, you're grateful, appreciative, and, you know, focus on what you can do instead of what you can't do, that we got a nice life ahead of us. Absolutely, brother. That's beautiful.

Starting point is 01:18:56 Well, where can people follow you? I mean, your Instagram at DreamRare, how do you spell that out? Yeah, DreamRare, D-R-E-A-M-R-A-R-E. So I would say the easiest thing, it's DreamRare? How do you spell that out? Yeah. DreamRare, D-R-E-A-M-R-A-R-E. So I would say the easiest thing, it's DreamRare on Instagram. All my links are at DreamRareLinks.com. So if you go to DreamRareLinks, D-R-E-A-M-R-A-R-E-L-I-N-K-S, DreamRareLinks.com. I got everything, Facebook, YouTube, Gab, Bitchute, Rumble, Alternative, TikTok, Patreon. I got a private podcast I do with my friend, Dream Rare Podcast. But yeah, dreamrarelinks.com, you can find it all. Phenomenal, brother. It's been excellent having you on and I hope to do it again. Yeah, that was a blast. Thanks. I'm glad

Starting point is 01:19:38 you had some unique questions too. It was fun. You got it, brother. Take care. Thanks. you

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