Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #249 Nick Corbishley

Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome back, everybody. This show's next two weeks are arguably the most exciting that I've had in a while. I've loved every guest that we've had this year, and we've had some awesome ones. We got to have David Icke finally on this podcast. What I love about the next two guests is the nitty gritty detail that they get into around really important things. Today's guest is a guy named Nick Corbishley, who is the author of the recent book, Scanned, Why Vaccine Passports and Digital IDs Will Mean the End of Privacy and Personal Freedom. I mean, that says it all right there. That is the argument. That is the conversation. It is why this hasn't quietly gone away like most people think it has or want it to.

Starting point is 00:00:50 It is the lingering issue that literally everyone needs to pay attention to. It doesn't matter what side of the coin you fall on politically, what side of the coin you fall on medically. This will affect everyone. And it already is in many ways. It just depends on where you live in the world. It's another one of the points that I bring up on the podcast is like, yeah, there's a lot of people living in Texas who don't think much of it because they live in Texas and there's no

Starting point is 00:01:14 masks. There's no, um, Vax pass entry points, things like that. And there's people like I got friends in California who live in the South Bay and, um, many of which are vaccinated who didn't, you know, don't bring out a vax card or anything like that. And they go to Ghirardelli Square in San Francisco and get shown the door because they don't have their vax pass. It will affect everyone. And to what degree this stranglehold takes place. I mean, that's really up to us into understanding what is the full game that's at stake here? What does it actually mean in play? What does it mean in the future? And what does it mean for all of us? So Nick is a fantastic guy. I really look forward to anything this guy writes. I'm going to get him on for,

Starting point is 00:01:57 he's the podcast guest today. He did a phenomenal job and we can for sure drop more on this as it unfolds because it is the thing. It's the reason I keep talking about the issues around that. We can look back in hindsight and say like, was there nefarious play? Was there this? Was there that? The truth always comes out and we've even seen the CDC admitting certain things over time, you know, that early on were conspiracy early on were, you know, hearsay right wing nut job talk. So always an interesting conversation and looking in hindsight, but looking to the future is I think really where we need to keep our eyes focused because as I've stated, this is not going away. It is a pressing thing. And the more people just go quietly into the sunset, the more we fall into lockstep.

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Starting point is 00:14:34 And then I saw this book, Scanned, Why Vaccine Passports and Digital IDs Will Mean the End of Privacy and Personal Freedom. And I nearly jumped out of my seat. I was like, I have been waiting for this book to be written. And I didn't even know someone was writing it. I was super thrilled. It's great to be with you. It's true that there are not many books about this topic. It's like, given how important this topic is, it's staggering just how, I think it is almost on its own in the marketplace. It's literally no publisher, as far as I'm aware, really wants to go there. And I had the luxury of working with Chelsea Green, which is a smallish publisher in Vermont, the state of Vermont, and they've been willing to cover areas that most other publishers haven't. So, yeah, it's fantastic.

Starting point is 00:15:34 I was very, very, very fortunate to get contacted by them after writing certain articles about this topic. And it's an area that journalists don't really want to go near. It's kind of like, I think a lot of people are just scared of this territory. There's so much pressure from so many different sides. So I'm glad you were able to find it. It's definitely got kind of like an eye-catching cover and it does shout out at you from the bookshelf.

Starting point is 00:16:08 So I'm glad you found that. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm thrilled. And speaking of Chelsea Green, that actually pumped me up too. We're buddies with Charles Eisenstein and we had him on the podcast recently and loved all of his books

Starting point is 00:16:22 from The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible to Sacred Economics and The Ascent of Humanity and Climbing a New Story. recently and loved all of his books from The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible to Sacred Economics and The Ascent of Humanity and Climbing a New Story. And just from his, he has a great blog. He wrote a fantastic blog that went viral called The Coronation. And he had written a couple of things that his publisher didn't like. So they publicly dropped him. And I know that that was a pretty hard moment for him to feel just not supported. But I mean, it was expected in some ways, but he got picked up by Chelsea Green for his next book. So I'm like, this is fantastic. I know he's going to be able to say whatever he feels like saying and bring the truth forth.

Starting point is 00:17:06 And that's important that there are publishers out there that are willing to do that. Absolutely. And they are covering so many important areas, whether it's to do with GMOs, whether it's to do with the food chain, whether it's to do with the vaccine passports, as in my book. They're also publishing a book about the, I'm trying to remember the name of it, it's the one about mass formation by the Belgian professor. Desmet, is it Desmet? Desmet, exactly. So, I mean, they've got the courage.

Starting point is 00:17:46 I mean, I think that it goes beyond money beyond money i mean this is a serious vocation they they want to be covering the big issues of our day and unfortunately most most publishers don't want to go there um and i'd say that that goes with most most organizations. So yeah, let's get it. Something we've talked about. Sorry, go ahead. It's a huge topic. And I mean, like my book is only 160 pages long. I wish we could have done more.

Starting point is 00:18:14 I wish we could have written longer. But I mean, like we had such a tight deadline because we knew that time was absolutely of the essence. We needed to get it out there as quickly as possible because yeah, the window of opportunity to stop this is closing fast. It truly is a now or never situation, but I do have an arc generally to this.

Starting point is 00:18:35 We can't just spend 60 to 90 minutes just diving right into the theme because it's pretty juicy. But briefly tell us, where did you grow up? What was life like? What did you study at university? And what really brought you to this space? I mean, I got brought into this space. I don't know what you'd call it, just of seeing the world as it actually is and the bitter

Starting point is 00:18:56 truth of that because of a background in health and wellness. And I had seen for years, you know, really for decades, the fallacy of protection from our government around food systems. So you brought up GMOs and basically a pay-to-play market with the FDA, a pay-to-play market with the USDA, a pay-to-play market with pretty much every major governing body that was supposed to look out for us and make sure that we're healthy. And that's not universally the case. We see differences in the Nordic countries around food, like Sweden, Norway, and Finland, where you can't have artificial sweeteners or colors in children's food. It's just not allowed. So Kraft Mac and Cheese had to change their recipe in order to sell in

Starting point is 00:19:43 those countries. I mean, it's just little things like that that stuck out to me over time where it just made it easier to see kind of how this is translated from big pharma and big medicine into the pay-to-play market that we're seeing right now. And then, of course, big tech. But talk a little bit about that. What was your arc to bring you to this space that we're in right now? Okay. about that like what what what was your arc to bring you to this the space that we're in right now okay um so i'm british born and bred and grew up in an area of england called the west midlands which is about 40 miles south of um birmingham so this is where like the picky blinders

Starting point is 00:20:24 if i suppose maybe some of your listeners will be aware of that series i mean that that's it was the home of the industrial revolution it's not the most beautiful city on planet earth it's an interesting place but i mean i spent my youth uh my my childhood and youth growing up there and then when i when i was 18 i went to university in sheffield i studied uh history i've always been fascinated by history history has always been like for me the subject i think from from a very early age i wanted to study history and i wanted to understand kind of like how we got to a certain extent, how we got to where we are. I think it's one of the things that arguably our societies lack the most,

Starting point is 00:21:12 it's understanding of how we got here. And after doing that, I stuck around in the UK for a couple of years, paid off most of my debts and decided to come to Barcelona to see if I could make it living in another country. And I already spoke French. I wanted to learn Spanish. And I've been here pretty much ever since. I'm married to a Mexican, a wonderful Mexican woman, and I've been working as a journalist for about 10 years. Maybe you'd say 12, 13 years, but my first two or three years were working as a ghostwriter for a business journal here in Spain. And I suppose if you wanted to look for that kind of like catalyst moment why did i branch off into what i've kind of been doing the last 10 years and the truth is is that um after the global financial crisis which which really hit spain badly um we had one of the worst uh housing bubble bursts

Starting point is 00:22:22 in europe and some would argue that the economy never properly recovered after that i mean i think that having seen like the way that um the media was covering that here in spain and also international media i felt that it wasn't doing justice to what had actually happened there wasn't enough talk about the kind of, you might argue, the reckless irresponsibility, if not criminal irresponsibility, of many of the banks involved. And I started a blog in 2012,

Starting point is 00:22:58 and I've been writing about financial economic events since then. First of all, I started writing for Wall Street, which is a very, very good financial blog based in San Francisco. I recommend anybody who wants to understand finance to get kind of into the nitty gritty of finance. Wall Street is a brilliant place. Wallstreet.com, that is. And in the last couple of years, I've started writing for

Starting point is 00:23:26 Naked Capitalism, which is a bit more political. It's, it covers geopolitics, finance, economics, and, and I've been writing mainly some more dangerous topics in the pandemic when I discovered the story about ivermectin. I started writing about that in, I think it was February last year, because Mexico was one of the countries that was first to kind of like embrace it as at a national level. And I, because of my connections with Mexico, I was able to write about that quite intensively. And in a month later, I started writing about the vaccine passports. I was seeing what was happening in Israel, which was the first kind of advanced economy to go there and to launch what I thought were exceptionally discriminatory, segregational

Starting point is 00:24:37 systems. And it was ironic to me that it was happening in a country like Israel, given their past. And a little bit later, the European Union went down the same route. They launched their own vaccine passport for the 27 member countries, and it was with the same name, Green Pass. I mean, like the Green Pass, it's a curious name to be putting to a vaccine certificate. And it does suggest that maybe this will be used in the future with regard to energy consumption. We don't know that.

Starting point is 00:25:18 But I mean, all of this set off a lot of alarm bells in my mind. I realized that we had been told almost from the very beginning of this pandemic that the vaccines were going to be the way out of this and the vaccine passports were going to be also an integral part of that. And I think that just being told that from February, March 2020, in the earliest weeks,

Starting point is 00:25:50 and we were being told, look, we're not going back to the normal world. We're not forget about the world of before. And it was so strange to be hearing this from whether it was politicians or whether it was kind of like business leaders or technocrats, we were being told, look, the world of before is gone. And it was like, there was no consultation on this. It was like, there was just a decision from up above. The world has changed forever. Amen. And that really did startle me. So, I mean, I started writing articles about this topic and then Chelsea Green contacted me in July last year, 2021. And they said, you know, we're interested in expanding these articles into a small book because we think it's such an important topic. And that's how it began.

Starting point is 00:26:46 Ironically, three days later, I came down with COVID and I spent the next three weeks not feeling very well. But that's more or less how I got here. The book was written in about four, four and a half months, which is an incredibly short space of time to write a book. I think as important as this, but, but we, like I said, the time pressures were huge. Yeah. Four, four and a half months is absolutely flying in, in authoring.

Starting point is 00:27:15 I mean, I remember helping Aubrey Marcus quite a bit with own the day, own your, own your life, his book, a how to guide of mastering a, you know, a 24 hour cycle. And I had lots of tidbits and things on optimization, but it was incredible how long it took and then submitting and then getting things changed around, bringing it back, having to change it. I think it's such a daunting process. It's one of the reasons why I, like Jamie, will wait until I'm an empty nester to write. With having two kids, I'm like, I don't know that I can take two years out of their lives to do that. But four and a half months is absolutely flying speed.

Starting point is 00:27:54 Let's jump right in. I just want to add, and also if you think, I mean, I mentioned in the first paragraph, sorry, in the first chapter, I say, look, by the time you read this book, lots of the things in this book will have changed. And I wrote that because by the time I'd finished writing the book after three and a half months, so much of what I'd written had changed and I had to change it. And I mean, like when I started writing the book, we were in the kind of tail end of the Delta wave. And by the time I was finishing it, Omicron had come along and changed everything. And I mean, I'm glad I wrote that one disclaimer paragraph because the truth is, is that two months after finishing the book, we're in a war with

Starting point is 00:28:45 Ukraine. We've got total economic war against Russia, the world. We're also being told now that COVID is no longer a thing. I mean, the world has changed completely. So it's, it was, that, that is kind of like, I think the hardest part of writing a book was that things were just changing so fast that it was hard to keep up. Yeah, and you do speak to these changes really well. And actually, it supports the argument against passports really well. Now, there's a number of arguments against the vaccine passports, which we'll dive into. But one of the main ones is efficacy.

Starting point is 00:29:23 And you do a brilliant job. You know, I've had people on this show that are fully vaccinated and disagree with me on a lot of these things. And they have a different piece to offer on, you know, not that topic per se, but just they have something of substance that I want to give to the listeners, whether it be meditation practice or something else. And they're, you know, they're a friend and they're still worth having on and we could let agree to disagree. But one of the things

Starting point is 00:29:47 that I want to praise you on is that you beautifully write, this is for both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated alike. That argument can be tabled, but this idea that we have around vaccine passports is something that should be

Starting point is 00:30:02 on the forefront of everyone's mind. In the West, over here, I shouldn't say in the West, because Canada is a hell of a lot different than it is here in the US, and certainly different than how it is for me in Texas and other friends in Florida than California and New York. But whether you're in California, New York, or whether you're in Texas and Florida, a lot of people, it's just human nature to kind of get back into the swing of things, to start focusing on what you can change and getting back to work and getting back to focusing on finance and relationships and different things like that. And it almost feels like there's a settled down amount of conversation and likely to,

Starting point is 00:30:40 due to what we see on the news around Ukraine and Russia, there's a new topic of conversation. And it feels almost as if people think that's behind them, but it is not behind us. It is full go in San Francisco, LA, New York City. So it is stateside, even though it's not been forced in our faces in the same way that it has in Canada and Australia and many other countries. It is very much alive and well. And I want to really break that down or first praise you for the fact that the way you authored this does speak to us all. But why is this passport different than regular passports? And why is the idea of digital IDs such an important thing that we should all be wrapping our heads around right now? Okay, well, thanks for the praise. I do appreciate that. I mean, the reason why I say in the book that this is for the vaccinated and unvaccinated,

Starting point is 00:31:38 because ultimately the vaccine passport is really not much more than a digital identity. It serves zero purpose in terms of controlling the spread of this virus, because we've seen that many of the countries in Europe, for example, with the highest level or highest incidence of vaccine passports per person, or as a percentage of the population, those countries saw some of the biggest waves during the Omicron phase. And even governments themselves have come out

Starting point is 00:32:20 and said, look, these don't work. In Canada, some of the public health officials there said, look, these don't work. In Canada, some of the public health officials there said, look, these don't work. Doug Ford, the Premier of Ontario, eventually said, it doesn't matter if you've had one vaccine, two vaccines, or 10 vaccines, you can still catch and spread this virus. And that is absolutely true. In fact, in the UK, the NHS, the National Health Service, there's some of the data that's coming out suggesting you've got more likelihood of catching this virus than if you're unvaccinated.

Starting point is 00:32:58 The infection rates are higher among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. So that would suggest that the vaccine is kind of doing the opposite of what a vaccine should do. And I mean, we've heard many, many public health officials more or less admitting that in the last few months. In France, one of the chief medical advisors to the Macron government said that this is a, I think he used the word peculiar,

Starting point is 00:33:25 it's a peculiar vaccine because it doesn't, it works more like a medicine than a vaccine, meaning it reduces your risk of severe symptoms, but at the same time, it doesn't do anything for protecting you from catching it. Now, if that is the case, and if you've got the public health officials saying that, then essentially there's no way of enforcing this on people. Because otherwise, we are essentially

Starting point is 00:33:53 saying we can, from now on, we can force people to take medicines, which is an insane idea. Because it's a personal decision, whether you take this vaccine or not, it's by now a personal decision. If you want to protect yourself from those more serious symptoms, what you think is, and you think that the vaccine allows you that, offers you that, then by all means go ahead. But at the same time, we are vaccinating children as young as five in many places. And we are beginning to see that, you know, the potential side effects of this vaccine are much worse than we were previously warned. Thanks to a very brave judge, I think, who was from Texas, who basically said that the FDA had to publish all its trial data for the vaccine trials in eight months as opposed to 75 years. I think that that is the first point I would make.

Starting point is 00:34:56 So it's very important people realize that the actual public health argument for vaccine passports has gone, at least as far as I'm concerned, as far as everybody with the thinking brain cells should be concerned. This is clear as day, and even the public health authorities, many public health authorities are admitting as much. What worries me is the fact that the World Health Organization is talking about recommending vaccine passports for the first time since the pandemic began. And this is really important. So the World Health Organization represents 194 countries that are members of the World

Starting point is 00:35:44 Health Organization. So it is an authoritative institution. It doesn't have the power to enforce this yet. So it can only at the moment, it can still only make recommendations. But that could also change. So at the moment, again, unbeknown to almost everybody i would argue on planet earth the world health organization is building a global pandemic treaty and this is getting kind of like input from all the 194 signatory states. And if this pandemic treaty is signed, which is looking pretty likely,

Starting point is 00:36:27 and it's going to probably happen in the next year or so, then that means the World Health Organization will have teeth with which to enforce its recommendations. So it means that it will be able to sanction countries possibly if they say, we don't want to put a vaccine passport in place so i mean it's really important that people realize that while we are being told that the vaccine passports are kind of like you know they are shifting to the background they are no longer important what is actually taking place is that the world health Organization is going to be making it a universal part of our lives. So if you want to travel across a border in the future, you will need a vaccine passport, which means that you will need to be up to date on your COVID vaccines

Starting point is 00:37:17 and potentially any other vaccines that the World Health Organization deems necessary. So that is on the one hand, and it also means that it will be universal. So countries like Mexico that have not gone down the route of requiring vaccine passports and have had an open border policy since day one of the pandemic will be forced to change that. Otherwise they will face sanctions from World Health Organization if these two things come to pass. So if the pandemic treaty is signed, then yeah, everything will change with that. And what disturbs me is that all this is happening not behind closed doors as such. It's happening kind of in plain sight. It's being reported on Reuters, but it's not going to be on the front page of the New York Times. And it's not going to be on the

Starting point is 00:38:11 front page of the Washington Post. And it's not going to be on CNBC or MSNBC or any of these other broadcasters. So people are blissfully unaware that this is happening. So, I mean, I think that that is why this whole idea that the vaccine passport is going away is very dangerous. It is unquestionably one of the things that takes up a significant amount of bandwidth in the back of my head, wrapping my head around that, having two kids and really just wondering what the world is going to be like, you know, when they're my age, when they're bringing kids into the world.

Starting point is 00:38:52 And, you know, as you as you plainly stated it, we are truly if we don't fight now, there is no fight to be had down the road. I mean, that's really what this boils down to. I think Catherine Austin Fitts said a worldwide open-air prison system is what this ends up being through the surveillance state. And that's a tough pill to swallow. It can be a lot. The first time I heard it, I was like, what the fuck is she talking about? That's super dark. There's no way. But when you begin to connect the pieces and the dots, you can see that that ultimately is the driving force, is centralized control. You could argue we already have the new world order, the great reset, the elements of a one world government in place through unelected officials

Starting point is 00:39:42 and through the inner workings and the tendrils of Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum. And I definitely want to dive into that, but let's paint a picture for me of really what this means. Things like segregation get talked about. I got a good friend who, I don't know if he wants me to name him or not, but he's back from where I grew up in the Silicon Valley. And he got vaccinated for work and he just didn't have his digital ID passport with him. And so he was with his wife in San Francisco and they wouldn't let him into Ghirardelli chocolate. And for somebody who reluctantly took the jab, he was pretty pissed off to actually feel that because in his further you know, further South, uh, in the Bay area, they haven't implemented what they're doing in San Francisco, but he got a taste of what that actually feels like. No, you can't enter without your ID.

Starting point is 00:40:35 You can't enter without your certification that says you're, you're completely up to date on everything we require you to be. And it might seem like, you know, first world problem was big deal. This guy can't get a fucking chocolate for his wife, but it, it, it is much, much worse than that. When you consider the ability to prevent kids from going to school and getting an education, the ability to fire somebody, the ability in Canada to, to freeze someone's bank accounts. I mean, that, that, someone's bank accounts. I mean, that flows right into authoritarianism and it has nothing to do with the Green Pass. It's just outright, this is what we're going to do. And so in first world nations like Canada and Australia and

Starting point is 00:41:17 different places like that, we're seeing less of a totalitarian tiptoe and more of a big leap. We're taking broader steps quickly. And these are the things that are at the forefront of my mind right now, especially having children, but really a breakdown for us. What are some of the main differences on what we can expect with this stuff in place? Yeah. I mean, I think that number one is absolutely discrimination. So, you know, you are setting up a system of intentional discrimination and segregation. And that, like you said, it can be as small as, you know, going into a sweet store or whatever and buying some sweets for your kid

Starting point is 00:42:02 or being able to go to the cinema and these i remember in the uk when they were trying to launch the vaccine passport they were focusing it the same here in spain on kind of like night clubs so it was like that was the beginning of it so it's like if you you know revelers if revelers want to revel then you've got to be willing to get a vaccine passport to do so. And they do that very, it's very, very clever how they do that, because they just, they set the precedent. And they set precedents, you know, not everybody needs to go out to a nightclub. And the truth is, most people over the age of 40 don't go out to nightclubs.

Starting point is 00:42:40 So it's something that is for a small group of the population. And people kind of accept it on that, in that particular area. And then little by little that is for a small group of the population. And people kind of accept it in that particular area. And then little by little, it begins encroaching. And that is what you see. It's just this gradual encroachment to the point where, for example, in Austria and Germany, we have actually seen lockdowns of the unvaccinated. So people cannot leave their homes because they're not up to date with their vaccines. Now, that is a dark, dark world. I mean, if somebody was to say to us three years ago, in three years' time, we are going to shut people inside their homes because they've not taken all three of one vaccine. I mean, you'd think, no way.

Starting point is 00:43:28 I mean, that's like a movie. It's like a dark sci-fi movie. Well, that's the world we're living in. And even worse than that, it's on the basis of vaccines that have been shown not to stop the spread of the virus. I mean, that's the really insane part. Not only does it completely contravene the basic concept of a free democratic society, but it's completely ineffective.

Starting point is 00:43:52 So I'd say that, yeah, segregation starts small, grows up to the point where it's absolutely huge. And some examples in Europe, other examples would include Italy. Italy's had one of the worst kind of like, one of the most draconian applications of the vaccine passport. They have stopped, they've prevented people from working above the age of 50, I think it is. They're fining people above the age of 50. So not only do they take away your opportunity to work, they start fining you as well. In Greece, they've been fining people, I think, over the age of 60 for not being up to date on their vaccine. Greece is a country whose economy has been absolutely eviscerated over the last 15 years.

Starting point is 00:44:42 So to be applying this on basically people more or less of pension age, I think it's 100 euros a month, but that is absolutely brutal. And also at a time of surging inflation. So it's, I mean, like Italy as well, you're not allowed to get on a bus and go across town. So I mean, that for me was a really powerful idea because, I mean, in the United States, one of the most important moments when it came to segregation was the moment when Rosa Parks got on the bus and she said, you know, she sat down in the wrong part of the bus. And that was a very important,

Starting point is 00:45:26 what should we say, a very important gesture, a very important act that snowballed in an enormous way. In Italy, you can't get on any bus if you are unvaccinated. Even if you've got 10 masks on, you can't get on a bus.

Starting point is 00:45:43 Unless, of course, you know, you're able to, I don't know, to negotiate something with a bus driver. And that's one thing that happens in each country, it differs not just in terms of the actual laws, the content of the laws that they are putting in place, but also in the way they are enforced. So if you were in place, but also in the way they are enforced. So if you were in Germany,

Starting point is 00:46:07 probably the enforcement was a lot stricter than, for example, if you're in Spain, which is a more Latin culture, people are more likely to look the other way. So I mean, it does depend on where these laws are put in place and how they are enforced. But I do think that the fact that we are talking about a system that will totally and utterly drive a wedge through societies, societies that are already incredibly polarized, is exceptionally dangerous. And there's really no argument for them. But if there was an argument for them, if there was a public health argument for them, that argument has been and gone because of the fact that we know that the vaccines do not prevent this virus from spreading. So I would say that's number one, discrimination and segregation.

Starting point is 00:47:02 What else do these do i mean they totally change they they radically transform the way we relate to power and the way power relates to us it tips the balance much more in the favor of government and corporations that are often not that indistinguishable from government these days, especially the health, the tech giants. So, I mean, like they, with a vaccine passport system, and this is even more so with digital identity, it allows a system of forced compliance to take root. And that is another, I mean, for me,

Starting point is 00:47:46 arguably the most disturbing aspect is that we lose agency over our own lives. We almost lose our free will because we're being told, look, in order for you to go to the gym, you need to have these three vaccines inside you. You need to have these three vaccines inside you. You need to have taken three vaccines. And they can add new vaccines to the mixer. And with digital identity, they can expand this.

Starting point is 00:48:14 So they can say, if you... We're going to go into digital identity in a little while, but I presume, but I mean, if you've got the wrong political ideas, or even if you hang around with people with the wrong sorts of political ideals, then maybe you start paying a price in terms of being able to access certain venues, amenities, services. And once you kind of set this precedent, we no longer live in a democratic society, a free democratic society. We live in a society that is fundamentally ruled in autocratic and I would argue arbitrary ways. And in which what we say and even the smallest things that we do can impact our ability to,

Starting point is 00:49:09 for example, even just make a living and put food on the table for our families. And this is something, and it doesn't, I think we get confused between using words like this is communism, this is fascism. This is neither of those things this is something utterly new because the technology is new the technology is what makes this possible so it's a whole different kind of dictatorship and i would say those those are two of the most this most disconcerting areas i think there are many other things i, like the fact that we are being forced to take

Starting point is 00:49:47 medical products that are not even proven to be safe over the long term and that we are seeing more and more reasons for concern coming out. That as well is deeply concerning. I mean, for Pfizer and for Moderna to have vaccine mandates in place or vaccine passports in place, this is like a perfect moneymaker. Because it's a revolving system of money generation.

Starting point is 00:50:18 Every four months, every six months, every eight months, you need to take a new vaccine. Yet we have been told by organizations like the European Medicines Agency and even the World Health Organization that taking these vaccines on a regular basis, like taking them every four or five, six months, could be dangerous for our bodies because they will reduce our immune response. They could actually, they could do serious damage to our immune system. And so those would be three of the major, major concerns. Yeah. I mean, that's bringing up a ton for me. You know, I've recommended on this podcast before the real Anthony Fauci by Robert Kennedy Jr. And it's a fantastic overlay of the history of the pandemic, modern history. I think they spend quite a big chunk of it on the suppression of the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine,

Starting point is 00:51:13 another big chunk around the topic of ivermectin, and then really show just the scandal that this last two years has been, but they dive much deeper into the history of Anthony Fauci. And it's alarming. I mean, he's been in charge for 40 years, but they really dive into the topic of AIDS, which I had heard rumblings of, but not in that detail. And I really, really absolutely love that book because of that.

Starting point is 00:51:42 Yeah, I've not actually read it yet. I'm looking forward to the day when I do get time because when I was writing my book, I didn't have time to read any books. And since writing the book, I've been doing interviews almost like on a daily basis. So it's being tough. But I mean, once I get a little bit of proper time because it's a big book, I'm going to definitely get my teeth into it. I think that there are

Starting point is 00:52:07 some vital things that Kennedy talks about in this book, just based on interviews I've seen him have. It's, I mean, like the, I mean, whatever people might say, people might say it's necessary

Starting point is 00:52:22 to give government more powers in a public health crisis. And there's a strong argument for that. The problem is when government has been compromised to the extent our governments have been compromised. The fact that most of our medicines regulators, most of their money comes from the very same pharmaceutical companies whose medicines they are supposed to be regulating. I mean, that is a perverse incentive. It is a conflict of interest of a huge proportion. And it's kind of like being, you know know you see it happening in so many different jurisdictions and so it's and we we see it in so many other areas and you know when we talk about

Starting point is 00:53:12 the world economic forum at some point then again that is the mother of all conflicts of interest in my view so yes it's giving huge amounts of power to government is a risky thing. And it's happened, always happens in crises. It happened in the Second World War. You know, governments fighting war take more powers. And, you know, there's a good reason for it. You could make justifications for that. But like I said, the problem today is that these,

Starting point is 00:53:44 our governments no longer serve the interests of the people. They most certainly don't. And I'm pissed that we only have an hour because there's so many great things to talk about. One of the reasons I love and the reason why I brought up Robert Kennedy's book is that he's a lifelong Democrat from New York and he can't stand Trump. So you can't lump him into the category of right-wing conservative. He's the furthest thing from it. And he's also been truly an environmentalist. He's exposed a lot of the fallacies of some of these unelected officials that have been in charge of the environment and where their shortcomings have been in the past. And that's really been his journey is looking out for people, looking out for people wronged

Starting point is 00:54:36 by large corporations and industries and the government itself. And so I loved that that was where he basically broke the mold of someone that you might hear this from. And I think that's really important because it might speak to a larger audience, which is necessary. You know, when I think about, yeah, it really speaks to me when you talk about this, this really like we have a chance to fight now or we just, there is no fight. You know, I think about a series of books that's been around for a while that Jordan Peterson would always talk about on Joe Rogan's, The Gulag Archipelago.

Starting point is 00:55:10 And in that series of books, one of the things he says is he felt almost at times when he was locked away in jail that he and the society were deserving of it because of how they laid down for the onslaught coming in. Everybody thought when they're getting drug out of their apartment in the middle of the night and neighbors open the door to see what was going on, they were embarrassed almost.

Starting point is 00:55:37 And they would say like, oh, it's fine. No big deal. And they'd go willfully. They'd never put up a fight. They'd never say a word. And they would just lie to themselves saying like, oh, once I'm in, surely this is a mistake. I've done nothing wrong. Once I'm in, they'll realize that and I'll be let out soon. And then five years of torture goes by. And if they live, they can tell the story, but most of them died. And so when you think about

Starting point is 00:56:01 it that way, it's like this thing and another point that Jordan presents to us, you know, like Nazi Germany was yesterday. It wasn't 10,000 years ago. It wasn't 10 million years ago. Humans have not evolved since then. Like we have the same hardware and structure of our brain and body as Nazi Germany and as a socialist USSR and Stalin. We don't we don't have not enough has changed. It was the blink of an eye ago. So when people say like, oh, I wouldn't do that, I do X, Y, and Z differently, or I wouldn't have just followed the rules as an SS or a Nazi, they did it. And we have studies

Starting point is 00:56:43 that prove people do things like that. So the idea that that's somehow different from you or different from us, or the idea that there's, you know, if only if push comes to shove, will I start to speak out? Like, no, no, no, no. The time is now. And if we, if we don't say something now, it's going to be a really big problem because as this pushes forward, there comes a point where unlike our recent past due to technology and the way things that are different uh you know the technocracy that it's unfolded we don't have a way to go back no it's uh that that is one of the scariest aspects of i think the the the future that awaits us if we don't take action.

Starting point is 00:57:27 The fact that if you are in a kind of digital gulag archipelago, then you're just cut off. You are deactivated almost. You can no longer maybe do your job. You can no longer work. You can no longer pay your rent. You just disappear. And that forces so many people just to accept, okay, well, I'll do what I'm supposed to do.

Starting point is 00:58:03 And it's that kind of level of coercion, which is a lot less visible than the coercion you might see in a kind of traditional tyranny. It's something that is taking place on our mobile phones. And if central bank digital currency is coming into play, which is looking increasingly likely, then it is ultimately a digital prison that they will be building. Because we can be cut off from our ability to transact. That would be a possibility with central bank digital currencies even though central banks are saying we we will not get rid of cash we will keep cash because it is a public good

Starting point is 00:58:53 um central banks are prone to say lots of things they don't ever do they are not well known for keeping their word and i think that the yeah i mean it's the i mean like one of the things that struck me about the last two years is how most people um get along to go along to get along they even like, I remember when the vaccines were being, you know, talked about in October, November, loads of people I knew were saying, I don't think I'm going to take it. I don't think I'm going to take it. I don't think I'm going to take it.

Starting point is 00:59:35 I don't want to take that stuff. And three months later, none of them had been able to resist. And that was without pressure. I mean, or at least that was without kind of coercion. That was just simply going along with the flow. I think most people just, they prefer to go along with the flow.

Starting point is 00:59:55 And if you've got the use of coercion or the use of actual tyranny, as in the case of like, you know, the Stalinist terrors, then yeah, people trying to kind of like to put up a resistance. That is a very, very tough act when most people just want to go along to get along. It's just this basic human nature. I mean, there was, um, there's something my wife and I watched on, on YouTube, which I thought was fascinating. I'm not sure how true it was,

Starting point is 01:00:32 but it was, it was this French farmer and he was talking about kind of like the lockdowns and everything. And this was in the early months of the pandemic. And he was explaining, he was a sheep farmer. And he was explaining that almost all sheep just do what they're supposed to. But he said, there's always the black sheep. And he said, we have this idea, most of us have this idea in our mind that a black sheep is actually black. He said, no, no, no, this is not the case. He said, the black sheep is the black he said no no this is not the case he said the black sheep is the sheep that won't follow orders he said like you have to be very careful with the black sheep

Starting point is 01:01:10 because the black sheep can infect other sheep they can affect other people other sheep the way they think and he can begin to change things or she um so he said, what would I do, or what sheep farmers have always done, is one night, when everything's quiet, they will take that black sheep out behind a bush or whatever, and they will slit that sheep's throat. Because that sheep is a danger to the flock. At least as, you know, or at least a threat to the farmer's authority over the flock.

Starting point is 01:01:49 So I think that human beings, in many ways, we are similar to this. We do tend to conform with authority. And many people find truth in authority. So when you are seeing the news every day and the news every day is telling you a story that may not sound quite right, but it's coming from, you know, a newsreader with a nice smart suit on,

Starting point is 01:02:16 people accept that as truth because it comes from an authority standpoint. And I think it's a lot harder for people to look for real authority and truth. And especially when there's so much misinformation being peddled, I would say by the mainstream media more than anyone else. It's very hard to kind of like to avoid the kind of like the effect that the media can have. And we're seeing that with the war in Ukraine, the way they're able to pull our heartstrings

Starting point is 01:02:54 by making every single Ukrainian out to be a complete victim and a hero, including the president of Ukraine, and by refusing to even explore the causes of the war, or even the potential consequences of the war, which could be exceptionally serious. We have this kind of good guy, bad guy view of the world. And it's the same that we had with the vaccines, vaccinated and unvaccinated. It's like, you know, you are good if you are vaccinated, you are bad if you're unvaccinated, you are dangerous. In fact, you are the cause of all the problems if you're unvaccinated.

Starting point is 01:03:35 And one thing I say in my book is that when we allow governments to move us in these kind of emotional ways, to encourage us to hate a small minority group, whether it's kind of like the unvaccinated, which, for example, in Spain, where I live, is like 15% of the population. The moment we accept that as a possibility, then we give government the power to do that again and again and again.

Starting point is 01:04:07 And if there's one thing that we should have learned from the 20th century, the tyranny of the 20th century, is that governments that are happy to promote hatred, they will target that hatred at anyone that is convenient to them.

Starting point is 01:04:23 Yeah, these loops are not closed loops, right? And I think anything... No, no, they feed off each other. On a societal level, you know, time is cyclical. I don't know, I'm not sure if you're familiar with The Fourth Turning. It's a fantastic book, 80-year cycles. I'm going to have the authors on my podcast. They're writing a follow-up to that. They wrote this book in 95, and they said, in 2005, give or take three years, we will enter our next 20-year crisis. So fast forward three years, 2008 happens and kicks off the 20-year crisis. understanding that whatever we don't come to terms with will come back to haunt us, right?

Starting point is 01:05:09 The sins of our fathers literally is going to take place on a mass scale. And if we don't understand what is the head of Hydra that we're trying to defeat, it will show up in various forms. And I think that's what's being brought to the table right now. It is a new thing, but it's, it is an old thing. It's divide and conquer. It is us versus them, you know, and, and, um, you know, as far as the media is concerned, it's funny.

Starting point is 01:05:35 Cause I mean, there, there's, there's really, there, there's kinda, it's not black and white. I don't want to say there's two groups of people, but there, there's a group of people that still trust what they see on TV. And there's a group of people that don't watch the news, that go to alternative sources, that read things on obscure websites. And maybe not as obscure as some would think. It doesn't mean it needs to be an alt-right website or something like that. It just means you have trusted news sources. And some of that can even be from social media. We we've seen guys like that really, really show up in the world. James O'Keefe, Project Veritas really showed up in

Starting point is 01:06:10 the world and exposed quite a bit, not just with CNN, but with the world at large and what comes through the media. Nine corporations, you know, we speak about this, TV channels, radio channels, paper, and news articles. They're coming through nine corporations. So if you think top-down control isn't something that could possibly happen, or you have trouble with the ideas of a few seeding the masses, there's been books written about this a long time ago, long before Alex Jones came around. Noam Chomsky has been writing about this for many decades, manufactured consent. You've got G. Edward Griffin, who wrote the, what was it, the monster at Jekyll Island, right?

Starting point is 01:06:55 The monster at Jekyll Island, yes. Yeah, fantastic, right? There's footage of him in 1969, I think, teaching at Berkeley, and it's black and white footage from the American Communist Manifesto. And to what you're speaking of, this is something that is brand new. But I was recently listening to a Joe Rogan podcast. I forget the guest right now, but they were talking about it was Majid Nawaz. Yeah, Majid Nawaz. And we'll link to that in the show notes because it's one of my favorite podcasts i've listened to in the last two years but yeah you know when they play klaus schwab they've got uh they've got

Starting point is 01:07:28 darth vader's theme music in the background but he's he literally it's it's out of his mouth right and my my friend jp sears says it's like they're playing cards with their hands up you know they're not hiding anything and this guy is saying like our people are in every branch of government. They're in every branch of corporations. They have been seeded into all forms of power, both political and outside of it. And you can actually track that, right? What they used to call, I think, the future leaders of tomorrow, that name got to change. But you list that actually in this book, and I've read it in other books as well, that you see these leaders. You see the Bill Gates, you see Marcon, you see the Justin Trudeaus, you see all these people, young and old,

Starting point is 01:08:16 from various classes that have graduated from this academy that he started soon after the World Economic Forum in 1973. So it's not a, you know, and the guy does look like a James Bond villain. Like, not that that should make him guilty or not. But I mean, he is literally, everything he says, he's doing it hands, he's doing it face forward. He's showing you exactly what the playbook is, you know, and he wrote COVID-19 and the Great Reset. But let's talk about, I want to bridge, I want to do talk about Klaus Schwab. I want to talk about cyber polygon. And, you know, we, we, we saw this event 201 sponsored by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation happened months before the pandemic happened. And now Klaus Schwab, you know, they run cyber

Starting point is 01:08:59 polygon. They talk about a cyber pandemic, which would make COVID-19 look like a walk in the park. So when they say something like that's going to happen, like I'm all ears. I don't doubt it. And I think for good reason that is going to happen because in crisis is a great time to change things for the worse. And I think it's, what's her name? Naomi Wolf, who wrote on the covers of your book, has a fantastic documentary, The Shock Doctrine. And it really exposes this. And we'll link to that in the show notes too. I can't believe it's still up on YouTube. It's only an hour and 18 minutes, but it really will show that in history, how this has happened time and again. But talk about the greatet and what's really trying to happen.

Starting point is 01:09:48 Break down stakeholder capitalism as well for people that may not be familiar with that. And let's get into Schwab and really the end game. Okay, just before I do that, just a couple of corrections. Naomi Wolf was not the writer of the Shock Doctrine. She was, that was Naomi Klein. So Naomi Klein.

Starting point is 01:10:08 Okay. Okay. There we go. Naomi Wolf wrote The End of America, which is a book I think that came out in 2005 or something. So she was warning about how America could become a kind of like a tyrannical regime way back in 2005, based on kind of like the way government had taken controls through things like the Patriot Act and other things like that. So, I mean, The End of America is a fascinating book.

Starting point is 01:10:41 It should be read alongside probably the short doctrine. There are two books that I think give us a very, very important warning about where we could be headed. I think that the other thing I wanted to correct is, yeah, it's Global Leaders for Tomorrow. There we go. Global Leaders for Tomorrow. So, yes, where are we heading? I mean, I think that the cyber polygon, it's a curious thing.

Starting point is 01:11:10 I mean, they've done two simulations now, the World Economic Forum. And it's fascinating to see who they're able to bring together for these simulations. I mean, these are top law enforcement agencies. These are intelligence agencies. These are some of the largest corporations, banks. So, I mean, this is something that should be getting probably more attention. But again, like you said, they're doing this out in the open, but they know they're not going to get the attention that might actually raise alarms among the general populace.

Starting point is 01:11:50 So it is, it is a curious thing. I mean, I, I don't know whether or not event 201 was actually related to what ended up happening. There's no actual proof of that it's just immensely coincidental that um two or three months before the pandemic uh began officially um we had this simulation which was a coronavirus that i think began you know i think it was in pigs but but yes it's, I mean, one thing that John F. Robert Kennedy Jr. mentioned in one interview I saw, he said, I mean, like, what's interesting about the event 201 event is that when it came to actually responding to this simulated pandemic, none of it was talking about actually treating the pandemic, interestingly enough. It was about controlling the narrative.

Starting point is 01:12:59 It was about stopping people from reacting against what the government was doing. It was about taking control. So, I mean, like there was no mention of kind of like using, for example, vitamin D or zinc or any of these other things, which is exactly what we've experienced with this pandemic. So the one thing that just about every advanced economy on the planet has in common is the fact that they have completely refused to encourage people to take simple supplements that will help you, help to reduce your risk of developing serious symptoms. It's a staggering thing. Whereas if you look at countries that are much poorer, that have less access to the vaccines,

Starting point is 01:13:50 that have fewer choices available to them, they have been using medicine kits like Mexico, like India, all over the world. Even countries I think as poor as Nicaragua or El Salvador, which are semi-failed states, they were still able to do something that advanced economies couldn't do. So, I mean, I think the event 201, at the very least, if you look at it, it does show a lot of parallels with the way our authorities responded to this pandemic.

Starting point is 01:14:26 So with the cyber polygon, I mean, it is deeply concerning that they are talking about the financial system. They are talking about a cyber attack against the financial system because in my view, the financial system, the global financial system is in an extremely vulnerable situation. It's been extremely weak ever since the global financial crisis in 2008. pandemic began you had enormous bailouts kind of like undercover bailouts of wall street banks uh in 2000 i think it was in late 2019 huge like um repo payments that were that were going to these banks so i mean like there's this like, there's, it's an open secret

Starting point is 01:15:26 that the financial system is on its last legs. And this is the reason why you've been seeing organizations like the IMF talking about a monetary, a global monetary reset. So, I mean, the Great Reset was kind of like, it was preceded by this monetary reset, the global monetary reset. We had some important organizations, some important individuals using this kind of language going back four or five years. about simulating these kinds of, what should we say, cyber attacks against the financial system

Starting point is 01:16:08 or against global supply chains, which is another one they did, then it certainly pricked up my ears. One thing that probably people, maybe you really don't know, is that there was another simulation in Israel in December last year, which that definitely went under the radar. I only learned of this two days ago. And the IMF was involved. So the most important global financial institution was involved 10 central banks were involved um and this was all about you know simulating a cyber attack hit against a bank and this setting off kind of ripple effects across the financial global financial system

Starting point is 01:16:58 now curiously one of the scenarios in this simulation is that fake news would trigger a run on the banks. Okay, which is, that was back in December. Now, a few weeks ago, the Reuters published an article. In fact, it wasn't a few weeks ago, it was eight days ago. And the title of the article is Beware of Wartime Fake News Triggering a Run, EU Banks Told.

Starting point is 01:17:37 So I mean, this is exactly that scenario is now kind of playing out. They are warning about the risk of fake news prompting, triggering a run on the banks in the European Union. So I mean, this is, I mean, it's purely speculation to suggest that that is something that could happen, that a simulation that took place months ago will end up taking place and will end up causing all sorts of chaos but it does concern me given that we have been told that we are going to have a monetary reset we are going to have a global reset um and the or in the words of the world economic forum,

Starting point is 01:18:25 a great reset in which just about everything is transformed. It is a revolutionary thing. It's really important that people realize we are talking about something that is revolutionary and not really in a positive way, at least for most of humanity, I would argue. But if you have a financial system that has been on its last legs for the last 15 years or so, and it's been getting gradually worse,

Starting point is 01:18:53 and you have the possibility of, let's say, a cyber attack taking down a bank or a number of banks, which would cause chaos within the financial system. And they're talking about kind of like an internet, turning off the internet for a number of days. I mean, that's not just the World Economic Forum, but also in this simulation in Israel. And if you want, I can send you the links to this

Starting point is 01:19:22 so that you can put them in the show notes. I would love that. But send you the links to this so that you can put them in the show notes. I would love that. But it's the beauty of this. I mean, if we were just to suspend, what do you call it, suspend our imagination, just think that this is possible. The beauty of it is that

Starting point is 01:19:41 the organizations, the companies, and the people who have, to a certain degree, who caused the crisis of 2008, who have benefited from the last 15 years of unprecedented money creation and bailout after bailout after bailout to the detriment of the vast majority of the populations on planet Earth. Those people will be able to walk away from this. They'll be able to dust off their labels. They will not be remotely affected we will have another villain so the villain would be put in or the villain would be hackers connected to iran or hackers related to some other organization and the other beautiful thing about this imagine if

Starting point is 01:20:42 you if we did have something like this come to pass, the problem would be fake news. Fake news will have caused a global crash, which means that they have all the justification they would ever need to crack down on misinformation. So it's like killing two birds with one stone. You would kill effectively the financial system or you would put it in a state in a coma. And at the same time, you would provide the perfect alibi

Starting point is 01:21:18 for the ultimate crackdown on sharing information that is not that does not coincide with the official narrative I mean like I am hoping this doesn't happen I'm hoping this is beyond this is just they're just

Starting point is 01:21:38 they're just doing these exercises because they have our our best interest at heart that is what i'm hoping and i think that this is i have to insist with your listeners this is purely speculative there is no proof but what we do have is we have a number of occasions where very very powerful organizations who want to transform the global economy, transform the financial system, are doing simulation exercises

Starting point is 01:22:11 involving cyber attacks against the financial system. And we have seen, I have documented in the book and I've documented in other articles that we have seen a massive increase in IT outages in banks around the world over the last 18 months. And that's in Australia, it's in New Zealand, it's in the UK, it's in Latin America, Mexico, Venezuela, Ecuador. It's in even somewhere like Singapore, one of the most digitally advanced banks had a 48-hour outage last year. So I mean, this is happening at the same time.

Starting point is 01:22:59 So I don't know what's going on here. But it does concern me because I think the only way they can actually they can get this transition between the system we have today and the kind of central bank digital currency system they want to bring in is through a crisis that is my feeling yeah and even though i got the names wrong naomi klein points that out perfectly in the shock doctrine um crisis are the perfect perfect uh vectors for change well it's um certainly not a uh an easy to digest topic. How do you propose we protect ourselves? Obviously, education being

Starting point is 01:23:52 first and foremost, understand what's happening, spread word. What are some of the ways that we cushion the blow against complete financial reformation? Cash. Number one, use cash. Embrace cash. Get back to the old habits. Encourage other people to use cash. I think that this is fundamentally crucial.

Starting point is 01:24:33 The cash is an incredible public good that has been under attack for the last 10 years, if not longer. And unfortunately, its use is kind of like on a generational tendency. So you have people over the age of 40 or 50 are more likely to use cash. People under the age of 40 are less likely to use cash. Certainly people under the age of 30 may never use cash. But it's one of the last bastions we have. It offers us the possibility of being able to do things in a private, anonymous

Starting point is 01:25:09 way. And that anonymity, that privacy, we only value it, we will only value it when it's gone, I fear. So, and I think that trying to encourage people. So Catherine Austin Fitz, somebody you mentioned earlier, she's been encouraging people to do cash Fridays. So I mean, I'm not telling everybody to use cash for everything, but like, you know, just like we maybe, you know, Christians eat fish on a Friday, we should just try to use cash

Starting point is 01:25:40 for all our transactions on a Friday. That's a pretty good idea. It's a way of starting the ball rolling. I think that education, like you say, is fundamental. So many people are switched off about what is happening in these areas. And that is by design, obviously. But we are living in the information age. So information is out there. It's about trying to get it to as many people as possible. And that might mean not just sharing it on Twitter, on Facebook,

Starting point is 01:26:14 but having uncomfortable conversations with people we love, who we know disagree with us. Maybe even on the question, like, whether you're vaccinated or unvaccinated, but we have much bigger fish to fry. This is a bigger risk to us a much bigger threat to us i believe than the pandemic itself so so trying to sit down trying to mend relationships relations relations we've had broken relations um trying to get people to see and just saying, look, read this book, for example, or read this article, check it out, because it is out there in plain sight. We're not talking about a conspiracy.

Starting point is 01:26:51 I mean, these are not decisions being made in smoky rooms. These are decisions being made out in the wide open. I would argue that if you really want to get people switched on, start off by telling them about the Global Pandemic Treaty. Because that is going to affect every last one of us on planet Earth. And it is not being reported by our media. But everybody should know about it. And it's a good starting point because it's not controversial.

Starting point is 01:27:21 It's there, it's reported in Reuters. It's reported in reuters it's reported in political so i mean these are as mainstream as you know media as you can find and so i would say that is that is fundamental try to avoid falling into the divide and rule um that you know the divide and rule program that they they're trying to put us through because it does not benefit us in any shape or form. We have too much in common. This is not just about

Starting point is 01:27:53 whether you're vaccinated or unvaccinated. It's not whether you're right or left. This goes far beyond that. And this is not a communist or a fascist thing. This is something that is about, in my view, and I try to lay this out

Starting point is 01:28:05 as much in my book as possible, this is about corporations taking over the role of government and kind of putting to bed democracy for good. And I think that if people realize that the interests of the World Economic Forum do not coincide with our interests, they do not dovetail with the interests of most people, their partners,

Starting point is 01:28:34 if you go to the World Economic Forum website, you can look at the list of partners, it's alphabetically set up. So you can go from A to Z and you can see who the organizations are that the World Economic Forum really represent. And we are talking about the largest corporations, the largest banks, the largest hedge funds, private equity funds, sovereign wealth funds on planet Earth. This is where the money resides. And they have been vacuuming up money over the last 10 to 15 years. They have been like,

Starting point is 01:29:17 and we saw the biggest wealth transfer in history in the wake of the pandemic when central banks essentially created the biggest bailout of the banking system and the financial system in history. And they were the beneficiaries and the rest of us were not. We are paying the price

Starting point is 01:29:36 and we are paying the price in terms of inflation. We are paying the price in terms of the supply chain crisis that is happening. And we are paying the price when when the central banks begin increasing interest rates we will pay the price of that as well so it is it is um i think trying to get people to realize that there isn't us versus them moment and the them is very clear it's very clear who they are and it's it's a moment to kind of like like i said it is literally now or never so i think that those are the two fundamental things

Starting point is 01:30:14 people people talk about cryptocurrencies whether or not they will be a safe haven from whatever happens whatever comes i'm not so sure it's. I've got a feeling that the central banks, once they've got their digital currencies set up, they're not going to be very tolerant of competitors. So I think it's more important to try to safeguard cash.

Starting point is 01:30:38 At least to get this, if we can get digital identity, central bank digital currencies and vaccine passports talked about over the dinner table, in our local councils, in our state congresses, whatever. I mean, if we can get that being talked about,

Starting point is 01:31:01 at least we may have an effect on whatever policies are taken in the future. At the moment, there's a negotiating table. Everyone's around it apart from the general public. It's our future that's being decided and we don't have a seat at the table. So it's kind of up to us to begin to make sure that that changes. Well, this has been just an amazing and definitely always a hard topic to get into the nitty gritty of, but I absolutely love the work that you're doing. I appreciate every ounce of sweat and time that you've invested into this topic.

Starting point is 01:31:42 You've stated beautifully. It is a short read for people. We'll link to that in the show notes. It's an excellent book. It's also available on Audible. You didn't narrate it, but the narrator does a fantastic job. Sometimes I can't stand the narrators

Starting point is 01:31:55 if they're not out there. Yeah, he did great. I really appreciate having you on. I want to connect you with my friends, Paul Cech, Nathan Riley, and some others if you're cool with that, to jump on their podcast, because this is a, it's the conversation. Absolutely. And I really appreciate that.

Starting point is 01:32:12 Where can people find you online? My blog is nickcorbisley.com. And my Twitter handle is nickcorbisley. Beautiful, brother. Well, thank you for the work that you're doing. And hopefully the next time we chat, it's a little bit brighter. It'd be nice if it was in person as well. Maybe one day I'll be able to come to the US.

Starting point is 01:32:34 Absolutely, brother. I would love that. Okay. Thanks for having me, pal. All right. Thank you. Bye.

Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #249 Nick Corbishley

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