Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #252 Matt Maruca

Episode Date: May 13, 2022

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We're back, we're back, we're back. We're back with Matt Maruca. Matt has been on this podcast, I think, well, actually, this is round two. I went on his, I think in 2020, and he was on this show back in 2019 or 2018. He is a wheelhouse of information and really started his health journey in high school trying to solve all sorts of issues. You do not have to re-listen to that first episode, but that episode is really centered around the benefits of light from sunlight to different forms of infrared on the mitochondria, on health. He rabbit- holed light technology. He runs what he calls the

light diet and it also rabbit holed quite a bit on nutrition. He had met a lot of the same folks running around at the Paleo FX conference that I had met quite a few people at. So many similarities in the path there. Main difference is that this dude's like Doogie Howser. I mean, he was a straight up genius at 18 years old and knew way more than most general practitioners, dare I say, understand about health and wellness and how the body works. A great resource for circadian rhythm and everything that you'd want to know

about how to optimize your body's energy systems. We'll link to that in the show notes. This podcast recaps a bit of that. We catch up, we dive into really what he's been up to in the past couple of years here. And his story is phenomenal. We had a great, great time. He's taken a deep dive into Dr. Joe Dispenza's work. And I think he's been to six or seven live conferences with Dr. Joe dispenza so i really wanted to dive into that and understand where he's at in the world and um just seeing you know the big shifts that are taking place the conversation does go everywhere we talk uh some of the modern issues really through his lens

in in getting to know people in russia getting having a russian girlfriend and all sorts of cool stuff this is just a this is a great one and i'm of cool stuff. This is just a great one. And I'm really excited to get to continue these conversations with Matt as we both come into older and older age. He's still a young champ and still way ahead of his time in many, many, many regards. So I know you guys are going to dig this one. There are a number of ways you guys can support this podcast. First and foremost, share it with friends, share it with family.

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I've been filling you in on the farm and everything that I've been up to. You're in town for Paleo FX. This is the first year since I started going to those events that I haven't been able to attend it even just watch due to the amount of stuff that I got going on between Fit for Service and coaching and the podcast and farming

and then of course dadding and being a husband so I was super disappointed I didn't get to go I was thrilled that Keith and Michelle were able to pull it back together and bring the team back on. And I just love that because I have a history there. I don't know if I've told you that story,

but that's actually how I made my way to Austin. I was sitting with ayahuasca for three days, or three nights rather, and the first two nights were like really deep family shit, you know, like, uh, my nuclear family growing up and then my nuclear family that I've created on night two. And then day three was just pretty easy, you know? So like on the third night, it was really like, what do I want to do now? What do I want to create? And I had already been podcasting. We're living out in Vegas. And, um, it kept telling me to go to paleo effects. Cause I had this question and I, and I was really argumentative about it, you know, like, no, it's too expensive. It's like, no, the cost will change.

And I was like, well, I've already, I've already read, what am I going to learn from somebody on a 20 minute talk on stage? It's not in their book that they spent two years on, you know? And it was, you're not going to go there to learn anything. You're going to go there to meet people. And so finally I submit and I say, yes. And, um, that's when I met Aubrey. We share the same flight back and literally the rest is history, you know, back to where are you coming from Vegas? So they were looking at open the second on it gym there. And, uh, yeah, that's when that's just everything shifted. I mean, we really connected on that three hour flight. We had met at a dinner prior to the flight,

but then saw each other on the flight. He's like, hey, I'll save you a Southwest. He's like, I'll save you a seat. So we sat next to him, me and John Wolf, the master coach here at Onnit, and traded war stories for three hours. And he's like, man, I'm taking you and your wife to Burning Man with us,

and I want you to come work it on it. And I came out for an interview, went back to Vegas. We put all our shit in a moving truck while we were at Burning Man. Our entire house was getting moved here. I think of these little things like that. Paleo FX was obviously, obviously ayahuasca was the bigger catalyst, but Paleo FX was what brought me in and it was to meet people. I think of what a cool event that is because it has brought in such an amazing collection of awesome people from Ben Greenfield to Rob Wolf to Mark Sisson, all people that have been on my podcast and guys like yourself, brother.

I've always loved that. I'll go there and they'll be like, hey, have you met so-and-so? And it's another rad dude. And they're like, no, I haven't. Intro me to somebody that's awesome. I think I might've met Paul Celadino there even. So just really rad people. And I really appreciate those guys. And I think next year with things a little more settled down at the farm, I'll be back speaking there again and, and meeting the new crowd and the new group of people that are out there speaking. Were you a speaker this year?

No, I just, I just came to attend. I was thinking about exhibiting, but it was super last minute, so we decided not to. They weren't apparently able to market it the way they wanted to because apparently there was some sort of forces, let's say colluding,

to make it difficult for them. So they didn't get the emails out till pretty last minute. So we just decided, I'll just go and meet people. And that was really what I wanted anyway, I'll just go and meet people. And that was really what I wanted anyway, was just to go and meet and connect. And it is cool though. You, you mentioned, you know, there's sort of like a history there for me. I went to Austin the first time when I was

probably 14 or 15 in like 2015, I think at paleo effects. And then I came back in 2018 with raw optics that had just been born. And we sort of like put ourselves a little bit on the map by exhibiting. And it was packed. Like there were tons of outdoor booths and I met a bunch of the cool, you know, the community community. And then,

yeah, it's definitely a connecting event. That's for sure. Yeah, no doubt. That's interesting. It's funny. You talk about the forces.

We, we, we, we, you can't tag us on Instagram for like the longest time. And people still like figure that out for the first time. They're like, dude, I went to tag you. And it says you can't tag at living with the the longest time, and people still figure that out for the first time. They're like, dude, I went to tag you, and it says you can't tag at Living with the Kingsburys. And I'm like, yeah, did you read the little fine detail underneath that?

Too much truth speaking is what I call it, but they call it misinformation these days. And a lot of my heroes are some of the top 12 on the misinformant list. You know, guys like Joe Mercola and Sherry Tenpenny. Of course, active medical doctors in the field. But anywho, yeah, I recognize that Keith and Michelle have been people that have been spreading the truth over the last couple of years. And that likely has been a key ingredient in their challenges going forward right now with getting their event voted and things like that. But they also have, you know, a pretty big following. So I imagine it wasn't too hard getting people through the door. How was the turnout? Yeah. So it was definitely

smaller than I expected. I mean, it went to the extent where apparently someone put together like a blackmailing list and even built a whole website, basically something like the real paleo effects.com or something like that, that actually would say like, if you exhibit, we're going to throw you on this list and like bundle you in and say you're like a white supremacist or something like that, that they were going at these people for. So apparently there's a lot of last minute people dropping out. I don't know exactly what happened, but they did really well, all things considered. Like it was still nice. It was like someone described it more like a pop-up, like a paleo effects pop-up because you know they're coming back from covid

apparently they had to reschedule who knows how many times uh even this year so all things considered it was great and i i ran into just the right people i wanted to see you know you luke story and and the gang and so it all just worked out ben greenfield you know he was around so it all worked out well yeah ben's coming back coming back, um, later this month, I think, and we're going to jump on together. So that'll be cool. I'm going to come out to the farm and give him a little tour. I'd love to do that with you, but I've been, I've just been so freaking busy. I was like, let's meet it on it. It'd be a lot easier to just jump on it. I'll be out here. I'm probably going to move. I'll probably move out here, at least establish a part-time base. Cause I'm traveling

so much that mostly for fun I'm traveling, but, uh, you know, I need a place to kind of plant myself and I've been using all sorts of different spots, but this would be the best, especially considering those months I'm in the States, I want to do business and connect. And this is the only place as far as I'm concerned at this point for that. Yeah. You're centrally located. It's still a free society here, which is, um, that's at the top of my list of places, you know, like when I think of where I'm going to go talk about travel. I mean, you're a guy I've seen you all over the world. I've, I've met up with you in Costa Rica and different places. Um, talk about what that's like because you're a young man who, who started a successful business and you're really fucking dialed in.

But you also like to surf and you like to do other shit and you just like to be out in nature a lot and obviously soaking up the sun. And we're going to dive really into that, into your medicine, which is as important as ever with the light diet. But talk a bit about that. What's it like, man, traveling around? How have the restrictions been? What are the requirements? That kind of stuff, because we haven't left the country in two years. Yeah. So I left on September 13th of last year to direct flight from LA to Moscow. So I was in Russia for about a month in Moscow, St. Petersburg and a central Russian city called Ufa.

I had a pretty interesting experience where a buddy of mine is a pretty big Eastern medicine doctor in Russia. He's a practicing yogi. He's like a householder yogi, meaning his master sort of directed him to the path of having a wife to be like an example that you can be a spiritual man

and also have a family and live in this world. So he's someone I really look up to. He's not public, but he works with some of the top people in every country, including Russia, politicians and, you know, whatever, actors and so on. So I was visiting him and he actually had said to me, this is pretty interesting, but it's funny to share this on a podcast, but he had basically said, hey, if you ever get over to Russia, my wife, she's like a social media influencer. She has like 80,000 followers. Like we'll have her post that our American friend's visiting and like maybe we'll find you a Russian wife.

I was like, that sounds cool. Like why not, you know? Yeah, literally. So I was like, cool. You know, I didn't know if they were going to in a few days before I was about to leave. Like I ended up seeing all these stories. And she literally took all these like collages of photos of us from the time we spent together, me, him, and his wife. And like this is our friend Matt. He's visiting Russia, blah, blah, blah, blah. He has this

company. He's into this lifestyle. We live spiritual, blah, blah, blah. And, uh, and dude, I've had like a hundred plus messages in like 12 hours from all these people. I was like, whoa, you know, cause they threw in a sort of joke, like he's single. And like, you know, the last time we, uh, we did this or something like that, that, that guy ended up like happily married like to some woman who had reached out to him. No pressure. Yeah, no, exactly. So it was really funny. But I ended up meeting someone who I really did connect with like on a super deep level.

She invited me out to central Russia. And she was like, hey, if you want to see like the real Russia, I was like, check, yes. I'll show you the Ural Mountains. I was like, check, yes. I'll show you the Ural Mountains. I was like, check, yes. I want to see the Ural Mountains. And the traditional Russian banya, I was like, check, like three, you know. Fuck yeah. So I went out there.

It was cool. And that was just a cool experience in and of itself. Like Russian culture, you know, there's obviously this whole war going on. But like it's just, you know, the governments, right? Like we know the people are good. Like the people are all good there. They're, at least as I can tell, they're like sweet people. I love that they're very traditional.

So they have this very like let's say Judeo-Christian rooted ethics or morality, something like Jordan Peterson talks about a lot where like there's a lot more solid ground I feel to stand on just in the general understanding of the world. Whereas in the West, we have, you know, these sort of the woke culture and the just, you know, there's so much fluidity now. And it's, it's, if you're not so fluid, if you're not so fluid in your morals, then you're like considered like a bad person in many circles. Um, but there, I really had this refreshing energy of like, you know, there are certain basic principles of biology and humanity that are just generally understood. And it was actually something that I found really interesting that the energy just felt refreshing. And on that note, like there's a very tremendous femininity there about the women and masculinity

about the men, which I thought was really cool because not only is that, I think, conducive for a healthy society, but also for healthy individuals. And here we have tons of depression, anxiety, suicide, all this type of stuff. So Russia was dope. Let me jump in on that because that's a fucking huge topic right now, especially with my recent post on the gram, which I should dive into here.

Yeah, do it. All right, let me see if I can keep this thread in my head and I'll have you help me remember. Post on the gram, femininity and masculinity. The thing that I wanted to comment on is the Russian people, along with most countries that have been through war, know themselves. They know themselves.

They know themselves through their spiritual practice. They know themselves through trials and tribulation they know themselves from not fucking living in this pie in the sky reality where it's choose what you want it to choose what you want it to be right let's just make believe whatever the fuck we want and and in part um you could say there's concepts of new age there's concepts of of whatever. It's really, I think, with a lack of real meaning, we search for meaning everywhere we can. With a lack of real controversy, we find it in everything. With a lack of real offense, we take offense to every little thing.

And through the birth of social media, we've seen that more and more, especially in the West. And I think there's no greater books than The Madness of Crowds. And I'm just working my way through The War on the West, which is Douglas Murray's latest book, which is a phenomenal expose on critical race theory, on transgender, which is really what the post was about, and a number of other topics. And he's a homosexual male from the UK. So he's from Europe, from a place that maybe isn't as war-torn as Russia or some of the other countries, but at the same time, they've been through it. And they've been through it on their land. They've received bombs on their land, right? Where we've had 9-11 and nothing since the civil war here, stateside, right? So we really, this generation has no fucking idea unless you're a combat veteran and you've been to those countries, you know? And I haven't been in war, but I've been to many war-torn countries doing tours for the troops. And I have

a general understanding of what that life actually looks like. I remember flying in Afghanistan on a C-130 plane and looking down and seeing like, oh, these are the poppy farmers. This is where the heroin grows. This is the fields. These are the goat farmers. These are the guys that they burn dung patties to stay warm in the winter. Like this is what life is like here. And it's a fuck lot different than how it is where I'm from. Right.

So there's very real, you know, tactile, substantial things that are like, what, what is, what does life look like for somebody like that? They don't have to dream of issues to be upset about because there are real

issues right in front of them to deal with. Like, how do I stay warm? What does a successful community look like? Because if we don't have a successful community, we die. We don't thrive. If I'm running low on potatoes or something to stay nourished, who can I trade with? Who can I barter with? Who do I know in the community that can keep my family alive? And what can I give them in return? That's a value to them. What do they need, right? Like these type of really interpersonal, interrelated relationships are what humanity thrived on for as long as we've been here. And you take that out, you get, you know, it's almost like, like what, you know, the great, the joke of the great reset video is that in part, a lot of that shit's already happening. You'll own nothing and rent everything. A lot of people live that way. I did when I was

younger. My parents rented everything when we were young and we didn't have much money. The Amazon delivers everything to your door via drone. It's not just Amazon, it's anything you want. It just shows up at your door. And again, you don't own it, you're just renting it. Those kinds of things. When I think of that, that's kind of a lot of people live in that way right now. So there's no real stronghold or foundational piece

that connects us to each other. We think the substitute of knowing somebody via the internet is the same as speaking to someone face-to-face. It's not, because I can promise you no one would ever say the shit that they say to me online face to face. How do I know that? Because I've been around for 40 years and fucking people don't do that. You know, at the very least we have this, this interaction and a lot of this happens to fit for service quite often. It was funny. I had another good story and I don't want to go too off on a tangent before I talk on this, on this post on Instagram, but there was

one of our members in fit for service that came out recently to the ranch in Lockhart. And, you know, she different physical build, a little less healthy than I am, that kind of thing, but saw me in a certain way as the jock, the meathead, the whatever, the role that I've been through, you know, college kind of thing. And saw me in a certain way. It's the jock, the meathead, the whatever, the role that I've been through college kind of thing. And I was talking about having 35 chicks. I just got 35 chicks in my house and it's the coolest shit ever. And immediately she was like, what the fuck? Maybe she had heard that we were an open relationship or something like that before. But it was hilarious because I start talking about all the trees we've planted and how I can't wait for these chicks to grow up so I can bring them out to the farm.

And then it dawned on her I was talking about chickens. She originally had painted this vision in her head of me as a certain person who was talking about banging a bunch of fucking chicks, calling women chicks, and having them all at my house for some sex party. I don't know what she had thought. But she came over and she was like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I don't know what she had thought, but she came over and she was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I totally painted you in this picture. And obviously I can tell that's not the case. And you know, that doesn't, that wouldn't happen online. It only can happen face to face because over time and being in each other's presence, we feel each other's energy. You know, the heart strings are connecting with one another

and she can sense that something's not adding up. And the thing that's not adding up is the judgment she has against me, right? It's the judgment of this guy is X, Y, and Z bad person I don't like, when in actuality, we fucking love each other. And she's a great person, you know, and I did a kind of a meditation medley that really hit home for the group and spoke on stage. And everything just landed for her over and over again. And by the end, I mean, she was even more apologetic at the end. And I'm like, hey, that's the beauty of being face-to-face, right? That's why we do these things face-to-face. For people who get that, we get that right now. We're sitting face-to-face. And I would have done this online because they know each other, but there is medicine in that that we can't lose, that can't be replaced through a Zoom call.

It can't be replaced through FaceTime. There's a lot of people that have replaced that, and even though they say, yeah, face-to-face would be good, they're looking forward to the metaverse, throwing on VR goggles and hanging out with their friends in Japan. It's not the same as flying to Japan. I think those are some of the key issues that have built the issues that we face in the West. And obviously, Douglas Murray, who I'm going to have on the podcast here shortly, goes way, way, way, way deeper than that. But I made a post. Paul Cech sent me this meme, and I was in tears. I was laughing so hard. Sad but true. It's a pregnant mom in a doctor's office. And she says, is it a boy or a girl?

And he says, we'll let the kindergarten teacher decide. And I'm fucking, I was rolling. I was like, God, this is really sad, but true. Not everywhere. Not everywhere. Right. So I, of course I didn't comment on it. I just left, you know, like the thinking emoji.

And most of the people that got it, got it. They were either laughing with me or they were saying like, this is sad, but true. And again, it's not everywhere, but we know this is happening in LA. We know this is happening in some places in New York City. We know this is happening in San Francisco. How do we know? Because people talk about it. They talk about child protective services being called. If you try to take your kid to a psychologist just to see what's going on, is there something we should look at mentally first before we put you on hormone replacement therapy? Murray dives into this deeply in The Madness of Crowds. He has a whole chapter on it called Transgender. To be perfectly clear, which is something that I

didn't really get into on that because I just left the emoji, a lot of the quick responses from people that were upset were, how could you lump in an entire, you know, a massive percentage of our population, which it isn't, plain and simple. It's less than 2% of the entire population, but that still doesn't, that's still not the post. The post is about children. It's not about transgender. People are calling me, you're hippie bullshit, X, Y, and Z, plant medicine talk, Fuck this guy. Burn them at the stake. Cancel them. You know what I'm saying? And again, it was a small minority, but that's, that's where we're at online. And you know, the truth is we've had, we've had transgender people in at fit for service who I fucking love. And I didn't even know the guy was transgender. I just thought it was a dude. Good job. Like I had no idea you were transgender. We knew we had one in and I wasn't even looking for the person. I just couldn't tell. And this guy's a dude. And to me, he's a dude. If you want to

change as an adult, fuck yeah. Do whatever you want and I'll honor that. Absolutely. Most transgender people though, don't want a non-pronoun specific word for themselves. They want to be a man because they've felt like-specific word for themselves. They want to be a man because they've felt like a man their whole life. They want to be a woman because they've felt like a woman their whole life. So getting rid of he and she shit, that's, again, this is part of the issue that Douglas Murray really paints the picture of. When you take a human rights movement and you succeed in it, but then continue to not take your foot off the gas, then you keep looking for the oppressor. You keep looking for the problem. You keep looking for the thing until you really start imploding. You start attacking yourself, right? And that really is the

issue with where society is at right now in the West with some of the far left thinking, in my opinion, you know, in my opinion. I would agree with you. Certainly. I'm glad you expose all of this. It's, uh, it's really, it's really true. And this is what I'm largely referring to the feeling I got when I was there, this sort of socially, uh, that feeling of like, there's this common understanding of like what a man is and what a woman is. And again, I'm not, um, how can I say like people can do what they want with their lives, but when you start trying to legally compel people, other people to believe what you believe, even when it's not rooted in truth or fact or science, it becomes a pretty slippery slope, of course. And again, this is why I admire Jordan Peterson, who I don't know if

you've interviewed him. I think Aubrey has probably a few times at least. And he's got a couple I haven't yet, but man, I'd love to. Yeah, I think you guys would have a great conversation. That'd be amazing. So as far as travel, this was really cool. Overall restrictions, it was not good, let's just say. In order to go and to eat inside any restaurant in Italy and many other places, you needed like a QR code, green card.

So to eat indoors, to go on the trains, to go on planes, any restaurant in Italy and many other places you needed like a QR code green card. Yeah. So to eat indoors, to go on the trains, to go on planes in the airports. Yeah. It was as much as you could imagine, you know, like if you needed to take a like a flight, you know, you'd need to have all that stuff. And so, yeah, it goes without saying, um, I was, I was able to make it work and yeah, but it was, I can read between the lines there. It was just a bit of a, you know, it wasn't easy, let's just say. And so it was, yeah. And, you know, it was super interesting too, is, um, they also don't – in Europe, they don't accept – they don't see – they don't recognize the Russian vaccine called Sputnik. And so my girlfriend, yeah, they just would not really make it easy for her in these cases. And so it was a really interesting scenario. I'll just leave it at that. Like they have this like just political, like we won't even take the Russian

vaccine. And I'll leave that at that. I think the insightful listener can make their own judgments about all of what I'm sharing here. I, I'm not a fan of these, uh, jabs. I'll just leave it at that. And neither is my partner. So, uh, anyway, so we had an interesting time and we had a great time and it worked and I'm hoping that they're going to dial things back or they already are. Cause we're probably going to go back uh and be around europe in july sometime like that but i mean overall like so the restrictions it is what it is but like my logic was who knows with where the world is going i mean it looks like things are going in a relatively positive direction now at least in places like florida and texas and in the u.s they ended the

mask mandate finally on flights in the uk right they they pulled back quite a bit. David, when I had David Icke on the podcast, he was thrilled. He said in 30 years, he has not seen people stand together and stand up for their own personal rights until now. And that, that's, that says a lot. We had Nick Corbishley on who wrote, um, scanned on vaccine passports and digital IDs in the future of humanity. It's an incredible book, a must listen. And for a lot of people that think they can just put this to bed and move on with their lives, this is still a topic of concern because this is ultimately what the drive is for. This is what the jab is for.

This is what all this, you know, boogeyman that no one can see, the invisible war that's been going on is a drive towards that. It's a drive towards a centralized digital currency, central bank, digital currency, CBDC. There we go. CBDC.

Um, and really top down centralized government, you know, and then people like I could been saying it for a very long time. This is the concern. I'm not saying it's going to happen. The opposite of that, which is our push is decentralized, everythingized governance. And I had perhaps one

of the most brilliant thinkers on the planet right now, Mark Gober, who's a Princeton graduate, young man who wrote An End to Upside-Down Liberty. And I think that is a must, must, must listen for everybody. It's one of my favorite books of all time. He's the first guy to take government issues and look at them with a critical lens and then apply a true understanding of what spirit is, what consciousness is in a way that that's on par with that Gartole, Ram Dass, like any of the great spiritual masters on non-dual reality. Yeah. It's phenomenal. And when he makes this cross-section of physicalism, scientism, compared to non-dualism or unity consciousness, and then you have statism, which is people that think the only way forward is with top-down government control, and then the opposite of that is voluntarism, which is an open source decentralized. And of course, you know, these are all terms where people are like, ah, open source this, decentralized that, crypto, blah, blah, blah.

He gets very specific, you know, in what that actually means and the practicality of it. And it's very palpable to understand. You know, he's a beautiful and articulate person that really lays it out. Our podcast is phenomenal, but you'll love that. I'd like to hear that. So again, like I've, I've,

I've been really, it's been, the podcast has been somewhat doomsday in the sense of like, Hey, fucking wake up to what people are trying to accomplish here. And then at the same time with that, we get to give birth to something better, you know, brother. And that's really what it's about. I love this. So, uh, I want to mention something about Joe Dispenza, who I've been studying very deeply and getting to know a little bit over the last year and a half. But first, I just want to mention regarding Russia and war, and you know, this is a previous thread. When I was in Russia, one thing that struck me was the idea that I obtained from schooling in the States was that the United States won World War II, like because we came in and intervened, blah, blah, blah, like we turned the tide of the war and like we won the war.

And it was just interesting because like I actually had mentioned that to my now girlfriend, and she was like, what? Like is that seriously what you guys believe? I was like, that's what – I mean I guess I just never even thought about it. Like we're generally led to believe we won World War II, right, as America. I think America lost 800,000 men. Also, we did come in at like the last year of the war. Russia lost 27 million men, 27 million. So like more than 35 times as many people as the United States.

Now, granted, they were in it like from the start. But like they literally – like she would always talk about like how their country lost so many men and like it's sort of a theme like they lost so many men and then like there's just a whole generation of like alcoholics and people who are just like traumatized like their whole country has just been ripped apart and it is really interesting um i do have friends over there who do like who aren't super involved in politics but like they accredit putin actually with and i'm not a fan of putin just myself, but I don't really have an opinion per se, but that as Russians, some, and not super nationalists, like including this buddy of mine, kind of Yogi, just kind of mentioned loosely, you know, the country's a lot better

off than it was when he started. And it's this he didn't say, but like presumably, I think the implication or an idea is that it might be better off than if it was like the united states system where it's like two parties nothing ever gets done like it's much cleaner like it was basically you know at the fall of the soviet union like it was run by like bands of thugs not that it's not also it's it's like centralized thugs you could say in this case but there it was like a clean – it was also shockingly poor. You know, like the average – I calculated like the average Uber was six times less than in the States for like an average ride. And like the average expense of everything was about like five to six times less, like food maybe three to four times less.

So like, you know, here you go out for like a nice big meal. And like now, especially, I don't think you're getting away for under like $50 per person, depending on what you get and easily more if you buy alcohol there, it's like, you could do like 10, 20 bucks and like have like a nice meal, you know, and something simple from street food could be or street or whatever could be like five, seven bucks, which is pretty hard to get now. I mean, maybe Chipotle, you can get a burrito and get out of there for like $13. But anyway, I don't know exactly what it is. But anyway, that was super interesting. And so about Joe Dispenza. So this idea of creating our new, our new, our own reality. I love that he teaches that, you know, you really have your own reality, your own world in your head. And this is something I've sunk into more and more. It's like if everything outside is ultimately like an experience that I'm having in my mind, you know, not to say that it doesn't exist externally, but I've just been toying with

the thought like, you know, from a scientific perspective, we understand that anything that's outside, technically this experience is occurring in my brain, right? Like there's no way that I'm aware of, at least that you could prove that the outside world's really happening, you know? So like, it's almost like a scientific, it is a scientific way to look at this idea that you create your reality. Because if that is true, which again, from a basic scientific perspective, it's like, how could you ever prove, how could one ever prove to me that there's anything occurring outside of me? It's like it's hard to do.

It's just – it's an interesting thought experiment. And all of the information that's coming in, like even looking at you and looking at all these objects, like yes, I see a chair and I see like a wood wall and all these things, the cables. Like we have a meaning and a name for all of them. But from a physical perspective, purely physical, it's just literally like electromagnetic information that doesn't have, we could say like in and of itself, like it doesn't have an innate meaning, right? Except that the meaning that I have learned to apply to it. And so the example that people can maybe connect with is like a baby who's born into the world or like the, maybe another would be this state of, you know, maybe enlightenment, like Christ consciousness, where like, you're not judging everything, you're just absorbing

the information, but a baby is better because they don't have a judgment. They don't know what things are named or what even they're for. They're just absorbing it. And so we create our reality, it seems by, you know, taking what others tell us, or maybe developing our own thoughts based on that, or maybe based on past lives or based on intuition or something. But nonetheless, like we create this structure. And then at a certain point, like everything that's coming in is just like locked. And we sort of accept that it is the way it is. And, you know, maybe for like things like chairs and sofas and dressers and walls, that's pretty useful to kind of lock in what the understanding of it is. But I think the part that's not useful is when we start to try to lock everything in because that's where we kind of tend to as humans it seems.

Like we want everything to be understood like the sky is the sky and then the universe is this and the bang big bang and everything started like that and so with the as i understand you know the dispensa ideas and and what's really and much more ancient spiritual teaching just by changing our belief our way that we'd like to interpret some kind of information, everything can be really cool. Like I could think in the same moment, I could be like, you know, I'm a materialist and I'm on this earth and I'm just, it's all material. And I'm here doing a podcast with you and like, you're Kyle Kingsbury and we're here and we're at the, you know, on at HQ and I'm in Austin, Texas and like have all these like defined variables and be like, this is this and this. And to me, it just takes out a lot of the interesting spark of like, out of life. Like it take, there's a certain component of

let's say beauty and magic that goes away when everything has to have a label. Like, and I'm, as I entertain more of these ideas from different masters and books I've been reading, it's like, what if we just try to let go of that stuff? Okay. Yeah, sure. I'm in Austin, Texas and all this, but like the present moment, it's like, we're on a rock. They say, I mean, some people say it's flat. Some people say it's spherical. That's the mainstream narrative. Like, and I don't really have opinions on that one either, because how could I possibly know other than just by believing someone who told me something about you know astronomy but just accepting like that's the way it is and if whether it's a whether the earth is a sphere or

flat or whatever you know like and again that's an interesting one to bring up because it gets pretty controversial just even touching that and saying like well i don't have personal evidence but most scientists agree that it's a sphere so let's go with the fact that it's the idea that it's a sphere and just trust in the authorities on that one and say like, we're flying through space, but we don't know where we are. Like, we don't know what the space is. Or like, if someone's like, well, yeah, you're in the Milky Way galaxy, you're in the universe. It's like, like, where's that? Or like, what's that? And to me, it's just a really trippy question when you really sink into it. It's like, this is such a trip. Like it's such a weird experience. But then to bring that back and be like, I'm sitting here with my buddy Kyle and we're just doing a podcast,

like something about that shift in perspective to like, yes, maybe I need to make money and work and, you know, do certain things to like survive within the context of what we understand about this life. Like maybe those things are true, but to just get so serious about it, which I spent so many years doing, like even again, just starting a business out of high school and traveling, like I was so stressed so much, just like taking everything so seriously, just being able to be like, like, am I just in a dream? Like this, is this just a dream? And I'm, I'm like a lucid dreamer and I can just kind of create anything for me. It's really freeing to have that different perspective and that we can really make almost anything we want of this life.

Yeah, it's beautiful. And it touches on, you know, it's funny because you can make fun of certain new age concepts and dispensing gets lumped into that crowd in certain ways, the secret, things like that. But the truth is there is an inherent wisdom in manifestation practices. And I can speak to that from personal experience. It's really the N equals one that matters on that, but he's done N equals one times a thousand over and over and over again. He's got over a thousand people at his seminars where he coaches them through very specific brainwave entrainment states and how to draw in the life that they select. And perhaps most importantly

in his teachings, which is certainly one of the most important things for me, is the understanding, the psychological and scientific understanding that we get addicted to our biases. We get addicted to our negative emotions. We get addicted to the feeling of upset, to the feeling of offended. And so it pairs well with the first part of this conversation because if you don't, and Sebastian Junger talked about this in Tribe, right? He talked about it on Rogan's as well as in the book that with a lack of true meaning and purpose in our life, what are the things that make us feel alive? Anger makes you feel alive. Like that hotness when the fire burns brightly inside,

you know you're fucking alive. You may not like the feeling per se on paper, but something inside you is desperately seeking that feeling of aliveness. It's desperately seeking the feeling of this matters. And it could be something that someone said online as ridiculous as that, or it could be, you know, my little child is about to get hit by a car and fuck that guy for driving that way. And holy shit, you know, whatever the case is, right? It could be right in front of you, or it could be something way off in the distance. That's a concept in the mind. and you've perceived that to be an error in someone else's ways, and it goes beyond frustration.

It goes to fucking burn this guy at the stake, right? The Salem witch trials. But it's very interesting to me, and it happens early on in Becoming Supernatural and a number of his books where he really does speak to this addiction that is there and it's and it's there because you know the way our brain works is it writes these neuronal pathways that become really interesting grooves it starts as a dirt road then it becomes a two-lane highway then it becomes a you know eight-lane mega highway in la where that that groove is greased so well it becomes very easy bam i. Right. And I think part of the issue with where we're at culturally is needing to, it's, it's needing to wipe the slate clean and rewrite what that looks like. What is the world that we want to live in? And, and do we know how much is in my

control? That's always a question, right? But that's the fucking serenity prayer. Like, let me handle what's right in front of me. Let me handle what I can control and let me not worry about the things that are out of my control. And God, please give me the fucking wisdom to know the difference between those two things, right? And I think that's a critical piece as well. But Dispenza's work, I mean, it's so great. And Emily Fletcher, who's one of my favorites

and disagrees with me on a lot of this stuff, I don't write her off. She's a G. She's amazing. She's one of my mentors. And her meditation practice has completely changed my life. And she pairs that, the three Ms, mindfulness, meditation, and manifestation. That manifestation piece, she's worked with Joe Dispenza directly on, you know, they're doing some collaborative work right now. And I do feel, you know, like there, ultimately there are bridges between these gaps that seem to be ever increasing, right? But one of the first steps in anything we're going to do in any type of transformation is the self-reflection.

It's the self-work and it's seeing where am I out of alignment? Where am I not in forgiveness? And I think, you know, back to Douglas Murray, that's one of the beautiful things that he proposes is maybe instead of cancel culture, we can learn from the ancient spiritual masters and learn to forgive. We can learn to have compassion.

We can learn to shift our perspective and say, I may not agree with you, but I see why you believe what you believe, right? Even if it's fucking flat earth, right? Like you could say like, hey man, I don't agree with you, but I can see why you believe what you believe. And I'm not mad at you for that. I'm not going to judge you for that. Amen. Yeah, brother. Well, let's, let's dive in. We, you know, it's been a minute since we've been on, I think the last time we were speaking, we were kind of in the thick of, um, the hocus pocus. Actually, it was so, oh, yes, we were. So

the first podcast was here September 2019. I was thinking back to it. I came and I had just arrived from Europe a few months traveling and that was on your show. But yeah, when I came to Austin last January 2021, so things had relatively died down, but it was still deep and people should check out that interview. It's on the light diet podcast, my show with Kyle Kingsbury. It's one of the first 10 episodes interviewing guests. And, uh, that was really well received by the way. Like it's a, I don't do my podcast a lot. I only, you know, occasionally when someone comes up seasonally, right. Or I'll do like solo episodes. I call them quantum field reports, like a field report, but like Joe Dispenza calls it the quantum field. So it's like sort of the quantum field report. I thought it was a clever name. Anyway, that's my solo cast.

So, um, they're, they're quite, they're quite fun. Actually. I'll just rant or not rant, but explicate a subject for however long it needs. And that was well received. Like a good buddy of mine, who's a fan of yours. He was like, dude, that was a great podcast. Like, you know, you really got Kyle just, you were just going to, there was like a thousand book recommendations from that episode. So that was super, super awesome. That's a good and a bad. Yeah. It's something I try to work on. No, no, it was really good. It wasn't three first 20 minutes of this. I appreciate it actually. Um, let's, let's talk light diet and let's refresh people

because there were some key stats early on that some of the misinformation informatives were really big on showing people, like why is no one talking about zinc? Why is nobody talking about hydroxychloroquine? Why is nobody talking about quercetin? And the ability from both hydroxy-HCQ and quercetin to grab zinc and take it into the cell and then it's antiviral components from that that point right yeah why is nobody talking mechanism of action with things that we have in

fucking grocery stores right now and and one of the most critical in my opinion was d3 why is no one talking about this vitamin that that many experts now say is more of a hormone than a vitamin because of its ability to influence so many epigenetic on-off switches within the body that really we can access for free just by being in the right dose of sunlight, the right dose of exposure, and by getting outdoors more and being in tune with nature more and doing all the fucking things our ancestors did, how come that's not being discussed? And, you know, I've, I've painted my view on that pretty clearly in this podcast, but let's talk a bit about what you've gathered, um, from the light diet perspective and, and how that really does grant us the ability to

take health back into our own hands. And, you know, sovereignty really starts with us, you know, on an individual level. Do I have bodily sovereignty? Do I have my health? Is that within my control? And if it's not, what can I do to make that so? And I think the light diet is obviously one of the most important cornerstone foundational pieces of that. Yeah, man. Thanks for asking. So there's a quite a bit I could unpack here, but I'm inclined to start with a little, so a little refresher of my story and how I got into the light diet for folks who might, this might be their first podcast. So paleo actually. So I had years of struggling with different diets and pardoned with different health issues. So gut issues, allergies, headaches,

and then Western medicine for the headaches prescribed me Advil for the gut issues allergies headaches and then western medicine for the headaches prescribed me advil for the gut issues the gastro doc prescribed tums and for the allergies the allergist prescribed advil claritin you name it so that was the yeah extent of my experience with western medicine no questioning about anything deeper. So started looking, my mother was helping, tried a naturopath doc, kind of went in the right direction, but it wasn't deep enough. And by the time I became 14 years old, so this was from age six, as young as I can remember, really, by the time I became 14, went into high school, started getting bad breakouts of acne. And I was like, no, thanks. I accepted that everything else was totally genetic.

I was like, you can't change your genes. And so my mom had allergies, I have allergies. It's just how it is. So I started looking for how I could clear my skin. And then I learned about paleo. I saw an article written by Mark Sisson. I loved his blog. I still look up to him very much as someone who led me down the right path in the

beginning. And also partially, I believe, honestly down the not right path, but I wasn't to learn that till much later. So he had a blog where he talked about epigenetics. And it was the first time in my life where I felt something that I had wanted to feel my whole life, which is that we are unlimited. We have the capacity to be unlimited. The science of epigenetics states that our genes aren't set in stone. My challenges weren't meant to be my destiny, right? And so I could modify these. Now the erroneous conclusion was 80% diet and 20% everything else is how epigenetics, how we can modify our body and take advantage of epigenetics, 80% food, 20% exercise and everything else. And I believed it fully because when I first went paleo primal, I felt so much better. So I was like, it must be all about food. Went deeper,

deeper, deeper, deeper. I went paleo autoimmune. I did FODMAP. I did gaps, basically. Gaps is not an easy diet for people to do. Not easy at all. Yeah. And there was no like concept of like best ways of doing it. It was 2015, 2014, 2015. So it was like seven years ago, no one was doing this stuff. And so I was just like the kid with the internet connection, just like trying to figure my life out here. At least I thought solving my health. Yeah. I was a freshman. And so I, uh, I just was desperate. I was super, super desperate and suffering, uh, struggling tremendously. That's like the greatest teacher of pain.

The pain teacher. Yeah, right. Shout out to Paul. So I ended up getting so deep and strict on these diets and not feeling any better at all. Like I actually felt worse than when I started energetically. Maybe some of my symptoms had gone away. And I thought, well, if 60% of my symptoms went away, for example, with paleo,

well, then I must be able to knock them all out by getting rid of these trigger foods. Now, this is where we get into a really interesting conversation for me, which is the shortcomings of elimination diets, and the most well-known of which today is the carnivore diet. So I came to believe that I bought into this, as I mentioned, erroneous idea that diet was

the main factor in epigenetic health. But then I further took it to believe that the paleo idea, for those who aren't familiar, although I imagine most of your audience is, is that our ancestors ate a certain way and we were healthy. We've now eaten a different way and we're unhealthy. And the main issue is that the foods we're consuming are damaging our gut and that's causing leaky gut and constant like protein sliding in from our digestion,

undigested into our immune system. It activates the immune system, these undigested proteins that haven't been broken fully down into amino acids. And then this activation of the immune system causes basically inflammation and problems in the body now it's simplified but that's basically what it is and so the idea of autoimmune paleo was like well you've already taken out your dairy you know your at least refined dairy refined sugar legumes grains and um that's basically it grains and legumes so that's that's the, and seed oils, refined seed oils.

So that's paleo. With autoimmune, it's like, well, there are these other foods that are technically allowed on paleo that you got to take out. So you got to not take out your nightshades, your, so your tomatoes, your eggplant, you know, your peppers. Yeah. Then you got to take out your nuts and seeds. All nuts and seeds are gone, including spices that contain nuts and seeds.

Then you got to take out all dairy. If you're having a little raw dairy, no more, no goat dairy, no nothing. Uh, you got to cut out. Yeah. Everything, including chocolate, tea, it's all gone. So alcohol get it. So I was, I mean, I wasn't like super connected to coffee or alcohol or chocolate. So I was like just trying it my best. And I even went to gaps, which is like, well, you might as well just go all the way to like eating only like bone broth based meals with tons of bone broth and like well-cooked vegetables so they're super easily digested and like well-cooked meats you know in the sense that they're just soft and easy to digest and you know even strung apart like chicken soup.

And so the idea would be then that after some time of removing these foods, your body would start to heal itself and you might be able to reintroduce these foods. Now this is the kicker and I didn't think about it then because I didn't know any better. But never one time ever did anyone touch on what is the force responsible for that healing that supposedly occurs when you remove those foods for a long enough time. It's just this huge like elephant in the room. It's something that it's there and their whole assumptions, all of the diets and everything they do is predicated on the existence of this healing energy that works in these, you know, ways that are so unknown that they wouldn't even

give it a second of attention. But even though the diet is what they're talking about, the fundamental assumption is that the body has this innate healing capacity and it will heal itself, but they don't spend even a second, not even a word writing about that subject itself. And that's where I became really interested in this because I was like, well, there's got to be, I didn't at the time, I just struggled. I just struggled and struggled and struggled. I learned about this guy, Dr. Jack Cruz, really intelligent guy in the world of light

and mitochondria and energy and he started saying that, well, it's not just about the food you're eating. If your body's circadian rhythms are damaged and your mitochondria are damaged, these engines that process the fuel, it doesn't really matter too much what you're eating. Or in other words, not that it doesn't matter, but you won't be able to heal if fundamentally the engines that process

your fuel and power your life are still damaged. No matter how good the fuel is that's going into a car, if you go from regular to premium, you can't fix broken spark plugs with premium gas. And you might be able to prevent issues in the future, but you still have to go in and take them to the mechanic and get the spark plugs replaced or fixed up. And so the whole concept of trying to use diet to heal the body is like trying to use gasoline in the car to try to fix worn out broken spark plugs in an engine. It doesn't go deep enough, generally speaking. So I read this book under the direction of Dr. Cruz and several other books actually, but one's called The Body Electric by Dr. Robert O. Becker. And it's sort of a sort of iconic landmark book in the field of energy medicine because it was one of the first Western scientists to really detail that the body is electrical in its origin electromagnetic and he

discovered this because he wanted to understand why humans couldn't regenerate whole limbs but salamanders couldn't he looked at everything in the salamanders like what's happening when they're regenerating a limb and it turns out when they're regenerating a limb there's this electrical field that basically makes up the salamander so that even when a limb is a limb there's this electrical field that basically makes up the salamander so that even when a limb is cut off there's a sort of consciousness and awareness or consciousness innate intelligence of where the arm needs to regrow so he points out really interestingly that in traditional biology there's no explanations like whatsoever of so how does the eye know to become the eye?

So every single cell in the whole human body has the same 23 chromosomes with the exact same genes. So it's like, how does the brain become the brain? The eye become the eye, the kidney tissue become kidney and liver become liver and the toes know where to be in the head knows where to be. There's no answers for that in standard biochemistry and biology, which is what these diets are largely predicating their, their perspectives on is a more basic understanding. And so Becker did a great job to at least unveil the existence of this energy field. So back to the healing diets, just to kind of go straight to the punchline. If your energy field, I came to learn through years of struggles and ultimately didn't even start to really put these pieces together till more recently studying from

Dispenza. But if our energy field is fundamentally limited or damaged or constrained, whether it's by emotional trauma, which I didn't believe in at all years ago, I thought it was all, when I first got into this light stuff, I thought it was all about light and sun and you can heal yourself with all that. And I don't believe that anymore. It's a factor, right? But it's not the only factor. If your field is constrained because, yeah,

you live constantly under toxic, modern, artificial lighting and you're never out in the sun, that's another constraint. Obviously, eating constantly excess amounts of bad food is also like a constraint. So you don't want to be eating bad food. But if your field is, let's say your, your innate healing power, which the ancients would have referred to as like prana or chi or life force energy, if that is somehow constrained or blocked, then you would be the person who does the autoimmune protocol for years and you're never able to reintroduce those foods versus the person who just does it for a few months and is able to reintroduce those

foods. And a friend of mine, and that was the missing factor they never talked about. A friend of mine is a functional medicine doc and he would tell these amazing stories from the clinic he was working in where they would like do these treatments of all these cocktails and IVs and all the stuff they use in functional medicine, the supplements and the diets to kind of kick people back up. And it was interesting that like, if they took like some 60 year old person who, even though they're older and their life force energy has kind of, you know, dwindled over their lifetime, they're like a, still a vital person. And they just needed that kickstart. A lot of these older patients would react, he said,

very well to these treatments. And then if you took some kid who is like always on their video game system, like super sick, they wouldn't, they wouldn't respond to these treatments because like the difference would be that the older person, yes, their systems are kind of going down, but they're somehow their fundamental energy in their cells is still vital enough that they would respond to these treatments. and it was enough to kick the system back up versus like a kid who grew up and never saw the sun and literally just video games all day long. And like that kid is sick not just because of their field and their body being worn down over many years but because it's been like acutely just destroyed. In fact, it was never even given a chance to like develop. And those kids wouldn't respond to these treatments.

So I thought that was an interesting anecdote that very much relates into here. But so all that's to say, if someone's energy field is fundamentally disrupted through any of the ways we've discussed, they're not healing when they do an elimination diet. They're not healing when they do a carnivore diet. And so I feel quite strongly about this because I've seen the carnivore diet explode. And I have nothing against the carnivore diet. I don't think it's bad. I actually think for some people it's really good.

For some people, it's the only thing they can do to get themselves out of chronic pain, right? Like they cut out those foods, lower the stress of the plant toxins, quote unquote, on their digestive tract and their gut and the leaky gut and all this stuff and the inflammatory cascade that causes. But if you, on their digestive tract and their gut and the leaky gut and all this stuff and the inflammatory cascade that causes. But if you're on the carnivore diet for a year or two, and then you try to reintroduce like a blueberry, a single blueberry,

or like a piece of sweet potato or broccoli or whatever, spinach, kale, all the things they demonize, what have you, and your body reacts like crazy. You haven't healed. You haven't healed at all, actually. You're still treating symptoms and you haven't healed your field, which is where real healing occurs as Becker very, very nicely demonstrates in his book. So it's like, again, there's nothing per se that I would say wrong about carnivore,

although I will point out that several of my good friends, several of whom are big in the carnivore world have horrible body odor because of probably excess consumption of meat and their body literally can't process that meat and they put it out as toxins. That's a kind of different point, but there are plenty of people who don't respond to the carnivore diet. Well, but what I'd like to attempt to break apart is there's a fallacy that by eating a certain way, your body is going to heal. And it's like, yes, you're giving your body more of the raw materials. This is another great thing to kind of get into. So like the body, it will benefit if you, you know, if you give it,

like if you're nutrient deficient and you give your body liver, uh, you know, you'll have all those nutrients. If you eat more meat, you're going to have more those nutrients if you eat more meat you're gonna have more protein so you're gonna naturally get more ripped if you cut out plant toxins you're gonna take off that let's say stressful inflammatory load to the gut and things are gonna calm down it's like there's these benefits to doing this that people are seeing however However, in the case especially of nutrients, so matter itself doesn't have an innate – it doesn't have innate power to do things. In other words, if you just had a bunch of iron on the ground or a bunch of copper or zinc, like it's not organizing itself into a living organism. That happens with energy, specifically sunlight and light energy in general, prana and so on. And so to say that you can heal by just consuming significant amounts of nutrients, it's like saying I could just, yes, spoon feed minerals into my body and like it's going to make me healthier.

Like it's – that's not the factor that gives health. So it's even better to step back another layer. So health we could say is like, uh, I would say a physical, uh, expression and spiritual as well, expression of life that is functioning well. Cause if we look at the, the bare, the premises, the base premises that we have here in order to have health, you you're we're predicating it on life something that's alive because if it's not alive you can't have a healthy corpse right so something has to be alive and then only from there can we have health so it's worth discussing and looking at like what makes something alive versus dead and it's it's very clear it's energy it's an energy field and that's why like even when we point at a corpse you wouldn't say like

you know if i were dead you wouldn't say that's matt like you even when we point at a corpse, you wouldn't say like, you know, if I were dead, you wouldn't say that's Matt, like that you'd say it's Matt's body, generally speaking, because what makes me, me is the energy that's no longer in the body when I'm gone. And so the soul, you know, it's been called by many a master and many people in general. So that field of life, the soul, the spirit, the energy field needs to be present first. And then health would just be the state of everything in the body, which is, as Becker showed,

the body is predicated on the existence of the field. So like, not only is the field required for the healing of a salamander's limb, but if we were to take it a step further, and this is where Dispenza really makes it really interesting. The body, the matter is actually just like, he calls it a hologram.

So the field of energy is actually what we really are. And we know that matter is mostly open space anyway. Like all matter is something like 99.9% open space. And a tiny amount of space is taken up by the protons and neutrons and electrons. And so when I tried it, if I were to try to like put my hand through you it's not even like that something's physically blocking me it's just electromagnetic repulsion you know there's some people there's like an interesting physical phenomenon says you can't even actually touch something because there's nothing to touch it's just if i hit this table it's just a electromagnetic

repulsion that's putting me back at a much more microscopic level than, say, two magnets at a much more macroscopic level that you can't get them to touch because they're forcing each other apart. And so that field is what is who we are, and the matter that we see is just a sort of condensation, like a more condensed, slowed-down version of that energy field. And so we're sort of seeing like with our, because our senses are limited, I can only see like Kyle Kingsbury, the body with my visual senses right now, if I were to really tap in, I can feel your energy, right? And a great master could maybe even sense every thought you're thinking, because they can feel every bit of your field, right? And they can sense every thought in the universe for a matter, for that matter. So health would be that that field is, because again, it's not all about matter, health would be, we're going from the energy first now. So health would be that that field is functioning well, because from this understanding of life, the matter doesn't exist without the field. It

doesn't become a part of the organism. So like when we take in a bunch of nutrients, say in liver, the field has to be working well enough to be able to direct it where it's going to go. And so the idea that I started to gather through my own study, you know, learning from Dr. Cruz, and then starting to study these ancient masters is that not only are we just an energy field, really, and our body is just a sort of hologram that we can see that's our sort of 3D version of ourselves, our emissary in the three-dimensional world? If the field is dysfunctional, the body can't work. like on a fully elimination diets like I did for years, or they go all the way, they go carnivore, unless they're actually addressing their root challenges, whether it's beliefs, emotional problems, lack of natural light, you know, maybe they never train. And so they're never activating their, their body. They're not really healing. So that's a fallacy that I see that, um, it quite

bothers me because so many people think that just by doing that, they're going to get healthier. And oftentimes it's not the case. There's plenty of cases of people, you know, whether on Reddit or whatever, who have tried extreme elimination diets, and they're still suffering. And I did that for so many years. And I went even further, like I actually, I did the same thing I did with food with light. So I went into light, like super deep. And I became obsessed, like, oh, the food wasn't the thing it's light and I took that same level of like I'm so sure that I'm right about this food without actually acknowledging like wait maybe I should like check my blind spots I was so wrong about

food could I really be this right about light and I applied it like you know you got to get sun and because I was following sort of let's say an expert or guru who I saw as this genius and ultimately learned that no one seems to know really everything except maybe some really enlightened master. So I started to think if I, if I only, it wasn't about food, but if I only got the right amount of sun and this and that, then I would heal. And yet I was still like suffering so tremendously, like super stressed in my mind. So not physically, I was doing better physically that I, I was at one point where I had like gone through this whole health journey. I'm running my business like years into my business. And I was just, I was so, uh, so stuck even around when we

did the first Kyle Kingsbury podcast. Like a lot of the time, even though I would, you know, I would teach these things I'd learned about light, which are valuable principles, I believed it was the be all end all. But my own experience was reflecting me, it's not, there's so much more. That's when finally, at a certain point, I started looking into energy. And Dr. Joe Dispenza came up as a name to really look into. And I saw his podcast with Aubrey. And I was like, this guy seems to get it. You know, it's not there's no way it's just about light. Because if it was, I'd be like Superman over here and I was still stuck in my mind. So it came to like a whole new level where the light diet isn't just about taking care of our environmental light exposure. It's sort of uniting the Western philosophy and understanding of and the science really from Dr. Becker that lays the foundation saying like there is this energy field and no one's

really funding deep study of it right now. I'd love to one day, you know, that's like a dream if as raw the business grows to fund research, but no big corporations that have the money to do that are doing that because there's no, it's the end to all pharmaceuticals as they know it. It's not like going to support something they want to do. So that's why they don't, they won't do it. So we will one day. So yeah, so basically we want to, we want to bridge that gap between Becker and his work and this understanding that we are a field and use that as, as a, you know, the skeptic will never believe, right? Like the profane as Dispenza would call them, they're never going to believe. So the skeptic would never believe, right? Like the profane, as Dispenza would call them, they're never gonna believe. So the skeptic would say,

well, I need to see the studies that link Becker's research and show that exactly step by step by step, you can modulate your health with your mind. The cool thing is Dispenza and his team are now proving that, but we can at least use the understanding of Becker and several other books in that energy medicine. People can actually Google search

like scientific energy medicine. They'll get a million. Actually, there's a lot of more research in that one book. So we can use that, at least I did, as a opening and an invitation to maybe there is something to be learned from the great masters of the East who actually studied these very principles deeply, personally, intuitively for thousands of years, you know, hundreds of generations, these people studied these principles and then look that way, which is of course, you know, way down the line of where ultimately you and Aubrey and, and this kind of world is and has been for a long time. I share this because I think there are so many people still stuck on where I have been as well

that, you know, you need the scientific research or it's just all woo-woo or you know you're going to solve your health problems with diet alone it's like ultimately no matter how great the diet and the light could make you feel physically if if the mind is so stressed like you're not going to be a happy person and so it led me to this place of like well why don't we start working on our inner light that's that's the core of really what the light diet is. It's learning that we have the ability with our mind to modulate and affect our inner field. And then it went to a, it came to, let's say a head, so to speak, like it all came to a peak when I went to some of Joe Dispenza's in-person events. Now I've been like, I've been a five of them in the last year and a half just because I was so stoked

that I just wanted to keep going back. More, more, more. Yeah, and mainly, largely to learn how he does it because I'd love to teach these things one day on a scale if it's my path. But there are people at the events who literally heal from serious diseases in an instant by overcoming an emotional blockage. Like, you know,

he'll say, he'll say it. And there are people you see, they come on the stage, they tell their story, literally people who have been fully blind and recovered their sight, people fully deaf, they recover their hearing people who are fully paralyzed, like fully paralyzed or paralyzed waist down, like walking, even running by the end of the week, swimming laps in the pool at one of the events I was at. It's like, that to me is something that's, he calls it becoming supernatural, right? Like, that's supernatural. And after years of searching, it all came together. It's like, I wasn't looking on the light diet, you know, back to this consciousness about the light diet and how we have control over our inner domain and our health. Like, I wasn't looking for health, let's say. I

felt one time at, you know, as I did a deep meditation, like a deep sense of love and wholeness that I had never felt as far as I could remember in a long, long time at least. And I just thought, oh my gosh, like I just wanted to feel like love. I wanted to feel whole. I wanted to feel grateful for life. That's what I wanted. That's all I wanted with all the stuff I was trying to do. And actually in the process of saying to myself that I needed to be carnivore or be paleo autoimmune protocol or be doing all the sunlight and blocking all the blue light and all these things that I sort of built even a company on, like those weren't the be all end alls. It was just that all I wanted to do is feel this love, but I thought I had to do all these other things to do that. And then like, you got to spend it here teaching, like actually know like the path of the masters. And then I've been reading some great masters like Yogananda, Paramahansa Yogananda more recently. And I love Michael Singer's book, The Untethered Soul and The Surrender Experiment.

They're amazing. I imagine you're familiar. I thought The Surrender Experiment was dog shit. Oh, really? Really? I did. Yeah, and I know he's writing a new book. He's friends with one of my clients.

And I was like, tell him it's got to be better than The Surrender Experiment. Untethered Soul is phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. Yeah, I was let down with Surrender Experiment. Really? Interesting. It might be your medicine for other people. Yeah, maybe. Because for me, it was like profound.

I liked the idea that he would just let go and surrender at every step. Although it seemed like, how does that work? How do you do that? But anyhow. I think to that point, I saw like a five-minute dispenser video on Instagram once that was taken from Facebook and, um, it was, it was on the topic. I had a bunch of people send it to me in the same week, but it was on the topic of his events on manifestation. And how do you work with intention and surrender, right? Like

if I intend this thing and I write it down and I have this goal, how do I then balance that with surrender and letting go? And he said, well, the way we utilize intention is we utilize it and this is how he teaches manifestation. We call it into being as if it is already so. So the thought mirrors the feeling, right? Then we have electro and we've got the magnetism.

And when our thoughts mirror the feeling of if it's already so that's that's our intention through the way of his manifestation then the surrender piece is we surrender to the how and the when that that shows up right and so that that's the balance point of these two seemingly paradoxical pieces um that five-minute video was just, that's fucking it. That is exactly it. And that is exactly it on ayahuasca. That is exactly it on any of these like big, deep journeys that people do.

The balance point of that, the letting go of the control of, I want it this way, or it has to be this person, or it has to be X, Y, and Z. Like when we can surrender that piece, that's where the greater mind of the all consciousness can serve us the best way, better than we can even imagine it. So,

and if we can let go of the how and the when and trust that it already is, then it fucking comes. That's a big piece of it. And of course, taking steps towards that thing, right? It's not just wishing it upon a star, it's fucking doing the damn thing to make that a reality, right? Yeah. I thought, so just a lot of this is actually tying together really nicely. So where I thought that I had to go out in the external world, quote unquote, which as I was mentioning earlier, I'm not so sure even really exists in a certain sense or that there is any distinction between what I consider to be the internal world and the external world. That actually it's all just – it is just the world and there's not internal and external. It's everything I see external is a reflection of me and people say, you know, you don't see the world as it is.

You see it as you are. But it's like what if we actually just are the world, you know, and that is it. And so there's this song comes to my mind, we are the world, but, but actually like in a way, that's what the great masters seem to realize is like, as far as I can tell, like they realize that there is no real separation and that they are their experience of everything around them all the time. And just by, you know, doing that inner work, they can sort of eliminate resistance to that, which is why the surrender experiment resonated with me, um, on one level. But anyhow, at this, uh, at this dispensa experience, I had this feeling of so much love, right? So much joy. And, and as he was explaining,

you don't have to go out and, and, go out and necessarily push super hard to get the things you want. He says you could just get – feel the energy. And a lot of people say, oh, this is like woo-woo. Like how does that work? You just feel the energy and eventually it comes. For me, what I started to understand or feel really is if there is no real distinction between my inner world and the outer world, the two are intimately intertwined and in fact one in the same, then the real work of anything I want to achieve isn't the actual doing of the thing in what most consider the

external world. It's the overcoming of the resistance internally to that very thing. So for example, like my business is a great example because it's, it's sort of my play box with what many call the external world. So if I want to do something in my business, like there have been many instances of different projects I wanted to do or certain goals I wanted to achieve. And I thought that I had to push really hard on the outside and really like plan, organize and da-da-da-da-da and what Dr. Joe calls matter-to-matter thinking and trying to like organize everything and work hard such that it would occur.

A lot of the time, I didn't, I wasn't willing to even overcome a certain part of myself, like something that was like a challenge. I knew I need to do this particular task, but it just felt so daunting. And so I would actually linger, keep myself lingering and like scarcity lack, like, nah, I'm not really, you know, subconsciously, I'm not really worthy of that. It's like, I'm not going to take this step that probably would move the needle or I'm not going to forego this immediate gratification of solving short-term problems in favor of just stepping out of that and going into the longer-term stuff. And all I had to do, in fact, was I'd say sit down for a meditation and overcome that emotion, that limiting belief, what have you, inside. And then all of a sudden, like the thing outside didn't even feel like work. That's the best

example I can give. It's like I did the internal work and then all of a sudden the stuff outside started aligning itself. So for example, in another, in another case with the business, I've, I've been learning how to run a business the last four or five years. I had zero experience. I came right out of high school and just been trying to kind of figure it out on the fly. And there were some challenges I faced several just for me challenges, right? For someone else, um, you know, they may have been really easy business thing, just for me challenges, right? For someone else, you know, they may have been really easy business thing, but for me, they were challenges. And I would just, let's see, I would try. I want to get this right. So in running a business on a daily basis, naturally you will come across challenges. It's just part of the way that things work. If I, I'm basically repeating the same idea in a different way, but if I wasn't prepared to actually step up to the task and overcome myself, then I would just feel stuck

and I could stay stuck in the same thing literally for months, like months, I could stay stuck. And then all I had to do was overcome myself once. And then the thing that was a month, month long problem would solve itself. So in one case, I had a real big challenge. Like financially, I wasn't running things well, we're getting like a lot of credit card debt racked up. It was just so overwhelming. But it was a reflection of my life. I had other things in my outside life, let's say relationship that we're all going in a tough direction. And finally, I got to a point where I had been saying to myself for years, like, I want to do light therapy devices. I want to do all these other amazing projects, which we are now doing.

But at the time it was like always I want to, but like I thought I couldn't. Right. And finally I got to such a challenging point. I wasn't really putting the right effort into my business because I didn't even feel like I felt like I had lost some sense of motivation for it. I was getting up every day, felt like I was grinding and I didn't feel like what I was going for. Well, for better or for worse, I didn't identify the problem until it kind of really blew up in my face. And then I had to face it. And that's, I think, how it goes for many people. You know, Dispenza says many people don't change until they have death or diagnosis. And I was on the brink of like business death, let's say. And so I finally had to sort of reevaluate everything and face my own internal circumstances. So it was nothing outside. It was all internal that was leading to these challenges. And then I just started to tap into this feeling of like, you know, per dispensa and these other teachers, like, what would it feel like if I was actually super stoked to get up every day and work on my business? And it almost sounds so simple, but like,

what would it feel like? And I never did this my whole life. I just didn't, I didn't know that it was something I might've done it as a kid, you know, had dreams and then the dreams would maybe come to reality or not. But at some point I kind of stopped thinking I was the creator of my life and I thought it was this, life was this materialistic thing where you had to just push.

But I started, and then you get caught in your own blind spots. And I was in my own blind spots for like three or four years building up the business. Like I have to do things a certain way and hustle, work super hard. So instead I changed it. I was like, let me feel like I'm super, super stoked

about this business. And the first thing I was like, well, I'm gonna drop the optics. It's gonna just be raw. We'll keep optics as the eyewear brand, but raw will be the big brand. And I was like, that one change happened so quickly as soon as I was like, what would it feel like?

And so I have a domain raw life, raw.life and we'll be there when we start launching our lighting therapy products. But that was simple. It was like, of course I would not just be doing glasses. I'd be doing all the other products, lighting, especially that I've wanted to do for years. But for some reason, I said, I'll do that later. I'll do that later. The understanding I have of the work from Dispenza as well as like, you know, we only have the present moment. So it's like, we have the past as a kind of concept, the future is kind of a concept, but in order for the future to come to fruition, like eventually that idea of the future is going to be a present moment experience. So it's like, why wouldn't you just start to try to feel those feelings of that future

now? And then you're in your future. It's like relative to the podcast we did three years ago, we're both in the future. So like, why wouldn't we be creating and walking and talking and thinking like we're our future selves who we want to be because we're already in our future. So just, you know, as a way of contextualizing that. And then it was just, just by making that energetic shift. Now it wasn't easy. Like I had to actually wrestle with all these, I would get myself to that energy state of like what would it feel like but then all these uh let's say crutches or reminders from the outside world that i had used to reaffirm the addiction as you mentioned earlier to that addiction to that suffering that neuropathway that was just

i'm the victim i'm the victim i'm the victim i can't go beyond a certain level all of those external circumstances that ultimately i had just because they're innate, they're no innate meaning, right? Like the example earlier about that the stuff around us is just the names we give it. my mailbox is overflowing. So I can't move on to anything else until I get caught up there, which is again, from that energy, never going to get caught up. Cause I'm just working just to be catching up, which means I'm in the energy of the person who, who feels like a victim, who always wants to stay behind. As soon as I started to shift that energy, it was like, I'd have to keep going back to that higher energy state of like, no, this is going to be the future. This is going to be the future. So that when something would come up, it was like, oh my God, like, and I would, every part of my body would want to use that to be like, no, there's no way I can do that. Like I have to focus all my energy on this and be like, no, like I'm just not doing that

anymore. And dispensa says a lot of time, like you're going to lose old friendships, like people who you've literally built a relationship with on constantly reaffirming your addiction to suffering with each other. Like those might just go away. You're going to be a different person. And for me, all this is to say that the light diet is a protocol of getting sun and using nature to realign our body, which without which I feel it's very difficult to embark on a, on a spiritual life. If you're eating like junk and you're not out in nature. And at the same time, that that alone isn't enough, I believe now, and that we have to actually want to become the person of our future. But in order to do that, it's like,

to quote, I believe Jesus in the Bible, it's like something like, to paraphrase, some part of ourselves has to die to be reborn. And it's like, do we thinkase, some part of ourselves has to die to be reborn. And it's like, do we think that dying is going to be like easy? Like, no, it's going to probably be really hard. Like for me, I had to go through a lot of pain. I lost like a girl I deeply, deeply loved and like a relationship, uh, because I was neglecting certain emotions and just, and yet that had to happen to teach me a lesson. I'd like to have to face myself and my own neglect. So you asked really in the beginning of this question,

how can we have that inner power? I've really come to believe, man, that even though, yes, we need to eat well, we need to take care of our light exposure, we need to do all these things, get some sun, maybe take supplements if we feel that's our path. But the great masters like Yogananda, for example, who I really admire, I connect a lot to his writings. It's like, the truth is that we can meditate and realize some reality beyond the, at least for me, beyond what the day-to-day is. This is my experience. Like the day-to-day is the place where we trap ourselves and to be able to sort of live at the same time in the worldly world, like not get all woo-woo and be someone who's just like

floating in the clouds and not physically grounded. You see that a lot in like the woke spiritual types. They're not actually here. Like that's not what I'm talking about at all. It's about being able to believe, dispenses as an unlimited possibility, being able to realize the illusion and see the great illusion, let's say at all times. And then like come into this world and be super stoked about it. And for me, every time I start to let go of my concept of like how things are supposed to be and just surrender, all of a sudden, like I can feel myself wanting to smile a little more and just be like, you know what, why am I worrying about stuff? Like, why am I worrying about even, for example, I could see

myself subconsciously even doing a podcast, like what's the listener going to think about what I'm saying here? You know, it's like, why? Like, why not just speak the truth to the best of my ability and just let the rest organize itself. And, and that's where I do also appreciate, you know, the surrender experiment idea. I think the reason it was, it seemed like freshmen to me, whereas untethered soul was,

was senior, you know, it was like next level shit. Uh, surrender experiment seemed like it had taken a step down. And in part that's because ayahuasca is the surrender experiment. Like, and it can be gentle or it can be stern as fuck, but it will teach you to surrender. Like that is one of the ultimate common threads with that particular medicine. And, you know, I've had

close to around 30 journeys with it, which isn't, isn't much by any means in comparing myself to anyone that's really worked with that over the years, but it is a lot more than most people and many journeys, you know, like, okay, I get it. And then you go back and it's like, oh, you forgot it. come. You know, you think of the infinite spiral staircase, you know, and time as circular rather than linear. Every time we do a lap back around that circle, heading upward or downward in the spiral, we get a chance to revisit some of the core medicine that we came here for, because some of the core things we came here to experience. And with that, as different versions of ourselves, we can see things through a different lens. And with that, as different versions of ourselves, we can see things through a different lens. And I think, you know, that's why we get to revisit surrender. Why we get to revisit childhood trauma, why we get to revisit anything, why we get to revisit

the argument online, anything, right? Like what is my new perspective and take on that? Does it affect me? Am I going to let that take me down or am I going to continue to march forward in creating the world that I hope to see? And, you know, I think the work that you're doing, the work that Spence is doing, the work that Emily's doing, and all these people that are really dialed in on how we can take something through a spiritual lens and make it very practical and very real and validate it through science, which is, you know, the mental age that we're in and is the language, the religion that we all agree upon. That's important too, you know, and yet I don't need somebody to tell me to validate the advocacy of ayahuasca. I just don't need that. You know, the proof is there. But at the same time, you know, between yourself and Emily and Joe, there's a unique ability to do all of those things.

And that has a broader way of connecting to more people. And obviously there's big medicine in that because those are bridges. And I think that's a really important piece of what the world is yearning for right now. Yeah. You know, there's one question I'd actually kind of like to ask you maybe to sort of in closing and wrapping up. I'm curious where this will go. But I've heard – there's so many different perspectives about plant medicines, right? I'm not, let's say, experienced in that realm. I've had a minimal amount of experience but i've been told by one one person i had a journey years ago with san pedro and this was like with a shaman in ecuador one of uh one of ecuador's most i guess revered shamans and it was a very fortunate situation that he happened to uh be connected through a friend and so on he was about to go to apparently switzerland to speak about

the value of these medicines to the united nations or something like that. So I thought, wow, this is a pretty cool experience. And first of all, I didn't drink a lot because I was sort of a little nervous. And typically you don't purge apparently very much with this medicine, but I did a little bit. And so I was like, all right, maybe I should just keep it back. But one of the things they said that struck me was that when we use this medicine, it's sort of like showing you where you got to go or where you can go, where you may like to go. And yet then when you come back, you still have to do this work to integrate it

or to do that work. You know what I mean? And that was an interesting concept for me as someone who's worked with it a lot. Do you feel that the use of the medicine itself actually is able to help you, uh, fully work things out and then come back to life and have them like, uh, worked out or, and, or do you need to still do that work in your uh in your state not on the medicine but you've kind of seen how it has to go so maybe it's much easier like more facilitated yeah i mean this is this is one of the big topics around around um structuring a container that's

useful for people and what i mean by that is like, if you, you know, there's reasons people would go to the temple. They talk about that in King, Warrior, Magician, Lover, like to have a mentor, to have a guide, to have the shaman, or to have the temple in which you participate in the sacred rite of passage mattered because it was the container necessary for the growth. They could hold the event in and of itself, and it could carry you back to grounding you

into reality afterward, whatever this reality is. And integration is such a big piece. It comes up for us constantly in Fit for Service. How do I integrate this thing? Or what does integration actually look like? And there's different places I've gone. Like Sultara is my favorite place to do ayahuasca. They have a three-hour orientation that really teaches you how to work with the medicine. And that in and of itself teaches

you how to work with all medicines, whether it's Wim Hof breathing, holotropic breath work, or a vision quest, five days or four days, no food, no water. Any of these altered states of consciousness can be worked with similarly because you learn how to communicate with the grand self and how to work with that energy. The integration piece, to boil it in a nutshell, is just how does it change your life on the day-to-day? What is the embodiment of the thing? So it's not just the dope experience you had in the Amazon or the vision you had that you regurgitate online or through a podcast, it actually shapes and changes the way you are going forward. And I've had times where I've gone to do medicines and I've, you know, this happened and oh my God, it changed all this and that. And I healed from it

and it didn't actually change the way that I parented or didn't change the way that I showed up in a relationship to the point where Tosh was like, cool, you know, like it doesn't mean anything unless there's change. And ultimately that, you know, it is us becoming the medicine that actually matters, right? So you think of Ram Dass or any of the great spiritual teachers, people would talk about just sitting in their presence and feeling unconditional love. They'd feel the vibrational resonance of unconditional love. And with that lack of judgment and with that abundance of love, it could shift something in them just from fucking sitting in front of them, right?

So he had effectively, he became the medicine before he passed on to the next place. And I think that is the goal for me. It's not the goal for everyone. Some people just want for everyone some people just want healing or some people are psychonauts and they just want to explore maybe they've done the healing and it's like fuck I want to see what the rest of the universe looks like that's all good really it is about habit change you know simple simple as that and I think to answer your question you can there are aspects you could heal in the ceremony.

So for instance, if someone had sexual trauma and they relived that and they saw through a new lens and they were able to forgive, that forgiveness isn't for the other person. It's for them to alleviate themselves, right? Paul Selig states, anyone you hold in darkness, a part of you is there with them. Anyone you hold in the cave, a part of you is with them in that cave and anything you damn, damns you right back, right? So in that experience, that will always be true, right? Another thing that Selig states is the truth with the capital T is always true and never changing. To say any one of our presidents is the president of the United States is only true for a moment. So it's not a universal capital T truth. But one of those universal capital T truths is anything you damn, damns you right back. So if you're able to forgive someone successfully and meaningfully,

that would be the shift necessary. The key in the integration of that would be, do you still hold anyone in the cage after you leave? Right? Where in your life have you not forgiven others? So that would be how you integrate an experience like that. Did you heal in the ceremony? Fuck yeah, you healed from the sexual trauma. But how do you change your life going forward and embody that forgiveness? Where have you not forgiven someone else in your job, in the guy who cuts you off in traffic, in your relationship? Where do you still hold that, right? And so that's ongoing work, right? That's the loop around the circle as you spiral upward that you keep revisiting.

And you do so because it's always a new opportunity to relive it and see it anew with a new perspective and a new lens because you've changed, right? And I think that used to be something that was highly frustrating for me. Like, am I on this fucking eternal wheel where I get to fucking go back and back and back and back through the loop and over and over and over again, I see the same shit with a new costume. And ultimately it only feels repetitive or like Groundhog Day if I have not effectively done the work to change. And the truth of consciousness or God or whatever you want to call that

is that we do revisit the lesson over and over again until we graduate from the experience, right? The woman who goes from relationship to relationship and a physically abusive relationship and always finds the dude who physically abuses her is continuing to bring that in until she graduates from the experience. It's not to say women invite fucking physical abuse, but if it's a habit and you can track it through every relationship that's been the case, there's something there

internally that needs to shift in order for that person to not bring that upon themselves again. And again, this is not to say that women invite that or they invite any type of thing like that, but it's true for men as well. It's true for men in different circumstances where they call in a verbally abusive woman or a physically abusive woman. And you can apply that in many different contexts. But until we learn that lesson, we're going to keep bringing in that same person. New avatar, same person. new avatar, same person,

new avatar, same person. And that's one example of a myriad of infinite ways that that shows up in variety that is on that wheel, that loop, you know? So if you feel groundhog day, uh, take a hard look in the mirror, you know, self-reflection is one of the key doorways out of that experience into something new. Amazing. I really appreciate that. I feel it's very timely and very, very well put. Okay, brother. Well, where can people find you? You still get your podcast that's periodic. Yeah. Yeah. Periodic podcast, the light diet, the light diet podcast on every podcast player we have. So people can find me personally, the light diet on Instagram. People can go to raw optics.com.

That's my current company. And I'm looking at, we're looking at probably within the next year being raw life and also releasing, which we didn't talk about much, but when it occurs, we will maybe do another episode, uh, just to kind of share the information, but we're working on really cool light therapy technology. So like cool to the next level I'm working with the best guy in the world out of Germany on light therapy technology

and stuff where like imagine so every supplement as I was mentioning every nutrient effectively works with certain wavelengths of light that because every single molecule, biomolecule vitamin, mineral, etc., they all are activated by certain wavelengths of light. The only way any chemical interactions can happen in nature or at all

is through the absorption and emission of photons. Like anytime two chemicals interact, they release a photon and in order for them to have been able to interact, one of them had to absorb a photon to bring its electrons into an elevated energy state so they're further away from the nucleus and the other one can grab onto it and then they create a chemical bond. So nothing really happens in the world without light.

All that's to say, if you take a supplement or even pharmaceutical, there's always wavelengths of light that can enhance its effects. And so just as a minor teaser, like imagine being able to have not just a supplement, but a supplement combined with a certain protocol on a device pre-programmed and matched perfectly. And there's a lot more that will be coming, but that's just sort of a very small teaser of what people will be able to do easily personally from the comfort of their own home you don't need to go out and spend you know 50k at a facility which is what some of these

things might require at this time so it'll be really cool that's all rawoptics.com so yeah fuck yeah brother i'm pumped yeah thank you brother. Yeah, absolutely. We'll do it again. Bye.