Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #260 Wondermed w/ Jose Munoz and Travis Brewer

Episode Date: July 9, 2022

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Welcome back to the show, everybody. We've got a fantastic guest, a couple of guests on the show today that are doing something that a few people are getting into. But you know, of all the questions I get, one of the most prominent questions that I get from people, especially face-to-face, is how to source clean medicine, how to get the best stuff, how to find a place to alter your state of consciousness. And I usually recommend places like Sultara down in Costa Rica, which is fantastic if you want to take the deep dive with ayahuasca. And a really amazing company like this one, Wondermed, who is

able to provide through telemedicine and a whole host of other things that really very few people are doing in this field to provide patients with ketamine, prescription ketamine, which is 100% legal. You can take it wherever you want to go. Obviously, you're not going to take it and drive. This is done in a very cool way where there is ceremony that is guided and a playlist and the whole thing top to bottom, along with integration at the end, you're going to get to hear a deep dive from Travis Brewer. Many of you might know him from American Ninja Warrior. He's been helping out with this company and really speaks on this episode to the benefits of it for athletes, how this can repattern the

brain and your mental emotional state when you compete. And if you're not an athlete, but you still get worried every time you have a board meeting or a podcast, it's probably a good idea to address some of that on a deeper level. Jose Munoz joins Travis Brewer. Jose is pretty much the heart and brains behind the operation and has a wealth of knowledge. I mean, you'll see in this episode, he dives in, um, pretty deeply and he'll talk about astrophysics, the whole deal. So I absolutely loved having these guys on the podcast and I love what they're doing because not many people are doing this. When I first had a ketamine prescription, it was take two sprays in the nose every couple hours as needed. Like it was some type of like an anesthetic. Like I was just going to, Oh, I'll feel good 24 seven. If I just keep taking this, like that's no, that's not

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So reach out to, uh, one of us on at living with the Kingsbury's on the gram or find me on Zion when version two opens up. Love y'all. This has been a podcast that I've wanted to do for some time now. And I got introduced to someone from your company, Ryan, from my brother, Aubrey Marcus. And he said, Hey, you have to know these guys. They're doing something really cool and really special in the field of ketamine and everything that I've been into with Aubrey for the many past years, we've been tracking and

searching for companies like yourselves. And I really am excited to have you guys finally on the podcast. And I'm also excited to be able to work with you guys and see what is the offering that you guys are bringing to the table for the world at large? Um, because there's, there's so much here as you guys know this, um, we got Jose and Travis on, I think Travis, we'll start with you. How did you, you know, tell us about your life's journey. What brought you here? Yeah. Um, I started off with just a passion for movement. I literally, my mom said I was climbing on the roof of the house, you know, just as soon as I could start crawling. And so she had the insight of at least putting me in gymnastics. So I did gymnastics through middle school, did some competitions with that.

But growing up in Texas, really wanted to play football and do other sports going into high school. So I did football, played soccer, ran track, was on a high level state champion soccer team. And that's what led me to play soccer in college. But I blew my knee out and my sports career was over. And I went into commercial real estate and did that for like five, six years. But always with this like emotion in the back of my mind, I'm like, man, movement was like my ultimate like goal and my own joy. And luckily I lost my job in like 2009 when the mortgage-backed securities kind of crashed the market. And it really forced me to like really

kind of like i'd saved up some money and like what do i really want to do with my life and so i really got into like a meditation practice and self-discovery um a book uh through yogananda autobiography of a yogi kind of led me to just self-realization and uh and meditation among other books and that led me to go back to get my MBA and start an apparel company and then I ended up uh doing like calisthenics um and doing uh being a world champion in the calisthenics uh calisthenic organization ended up on ninja warrior uh been on ninja warrior for a number of years and then finally I've been performing as an acrobat uh on different talent shows so it's been an interesting journey like literally my movement career started back kind of with my Saturn return

at 2930. And I've been doing that ever since and had the opportunity to work with on it and Aubrey Marcus and perform it, you know, with them for a number of years. And it's just, it's been a beautiful journey. Yeah. Hell yeah, brother. That's brilliant. Yeah. Jose, tell us about LifeLike growing up for you what was life like and uh what brought you here um let's see let's just start well

originally i'm from spain so life for me was in the south of spain in a town called sevilla so my some people might call it seville always growing up with the sports in mind um i was actually the type of uh of kid that would try a sport for three months, already get a little bit of a grasp of it and try to go into the next one. And it was kayaking in still waters that got my attention. I performed at a national level there with a team. We won three national championships. So that's really what pursued me in doing sports as a balance of my life on a constant basis. I then moved to the United States, initially Miami, where I went into water sports, such as water polo, and played there really for the fun of it. Really, again, trying to balance learning a new language, which for me was a big breakthrough to have in the land of opportunity of the United States. And really everything started to shift when I moved to New York.

Throughout my life, I've always had the background in trying to help people. The idea of positive impact and elevating the growth of humanity as a whole. And in New York, I started to realize of the real power that individuals have. That idea that one plus one is not two, it's equal three when you talk about people. And that led me to start developing new cryptocurrency systems that could create a digital economy that in its basic essence could elevate that value for the benefit of humanity, always pursuing innovation. And that's actually when I met the founder of the company, Wondermed, Ryan Magnusson. At the time I was in New york he was in la and he tells me about this vision that he has of conglomerating both the science or the neuroscience component of psychedelics and the actual possibility that we have today to bring it to people to elevate the consciousness of the planet at first that seems to be a very general and overarching vision but from my

background in astrophysics and business it was a no no-brainer. The ability of being able to look at the data from a clinical standard and seeing the real potential the substances such as ketamine, psilocybin, MDMA are having, being able to achieve breakthroughs and changing people's lives. That's what we've been doing. And for the past 18 months, we've been building WonderMed, which now is exposed to the world as a telemedicine platform for people to be able to access a new form of alternative medicine, in this case, low-dose ketamine lozenges. Oh, yeah. Let's dive into that. Travis, what brought you in to work with Jose? I know, Jose, you briefly spoke about Travis's road there. Fill in the gaps for us on how you got into Wundermed.

Yeah. Well, actually, after meeting Aubrey and going to Onnit when they opened up the gym a couple of years back, I was just fascinated with total human optimization and really just trying to be the most optimal human and really just working, being a part of the Onnit team, just fascinated with different supplements, different ingredients that can really make you more optimal. And so in doing that, in my pursuit, it just led me down different types of like different medicines to different vitamins and all the different things. And so one of those things was getting and exploring with WonderMed. You know, like I've seen that like this could be helpful not only with like, uh, anxiety and depression,

but also with like recovery. And one of the biggest things as an athlete, I'm constantly trying to find the best way to recover, you know, cause I, you know, that's just as important as, as the strength component and finding profound impact in the recovery, uh, is what led me to working with WonderMed. Ryan Maguson is an incredible business guy and it was super cool to connect with him as well and just be a part of like something that I really think is on the forefront of helping humans become the best versions of themselves. That's awesome. Talk a little bit about the recovery standpoint here. As far as

you guys likely have the latest science on everything, but talk a little bit about how these tools that are typically thought of for the mind can impact the body in a positive way. Yeah. I'll let Jose tell the science part of it, but from my my feedback as as an athlete like i like i'm constantly like putting a lot of like stress and tension on my body and so wanting to go deeper into like literally my stretching is something that the ketamine is allowing me to just kind of i'd say you know disassociate or release my body tension so that i can push to uh you know still a safe level but get get a little bit deeper kind of like hold that in range stretch. Also, just from a mental aspect, being able to kind of connect deeper and like, unlock what I call my my inner healer, you know, just being able to

like get out of my head and just like maybe the good or bad loops in my head, but just being able to just kind of just like, connect with my my deeper self and just like, hey, look, I can I can control the energy within myself, I can put energy into, I can feel more of like what is maybe, maybe like more, uh, I'd say more is easily repaired. Like, uh, how do I say this better? Like, uh, like throughout the day, I'll just kind of turn off the pain. Right. But if I actually sit with this, it'll actually kind of be like, Hey, this is actually something you should focus on. I'm more under feeling of the body and able to like, all right, let's put some attention, we'll put some more recovery into this so that you can be better the next day.

Yeah, that's actually one of the main ways that people have been describing the experience from a physical standpoint, given that ketamine is an anesthetic in its true nature. Before I go into the scientific component of the medicine, I think that when we bring up the conversation of psychedelics, usually we bring up the substances as the main component. And I think that today, I would love to take the time to really appreciate the fact that what really is a revolution is the shift in the paradigm of how we're seeing the substances

interact with ourselves. In terms of human optimization, we know that it is a component of mind, body, and spirit that actually allows you to achieve that highest level of yourself. And in doing so, the way that we've been seeing mental health for the past 50 years has been, in some cases, inefficient. We've been seeing mental health as a chemical imbalance problem in our brains. And so when your mind wasn't in the right state of mind, say suffering from depression, we've been developing substances such as antidepressants that pump serotonin levels in the synaptic cleft, which is the area between neurons.

And in doing so, it doesn't allow the brain to auto-regulate itself, almost as a dependent regulator of serotonin levels that allows somebody to feel better for a period of time. The problem with it is that it's just a patch to the problem. It doesn't actually produce a breakthrough in a lot of scenarios. Usually efficacy rates are below 50% and the same thing happens with anxiety. Anxiety is something that we all feel.

We all go on a day-to-day basis. Today, we're sitting on this podcast, but we've been awake for probably five to six hours already doing a lot of things and a lot that we have ahead. And in doing all of this and trying to be the best version of ourselves, we need to try to balance it. And with anxiety, and specifically, we've been developing as a society, a medicine called benzodiazepines. What they do is they target the central neural system in the back of your head. And in essence, it numbs the central neural system, effectively reducing your levels of anxiety, but also numbing your whole body. That is why you get that type of sensation of a zombie-like state when you're on a benzodiazepine for a long time.

The second component is dependency rates. Similarly to antidepressants, you have people in about 44% of chronic users become dependent to the substance. And so really that's where psychedelics comes into play. For the first time ever, we're starting to see mental health instead of a chemical imbalance problem as a hardwiring problem. Everything in our minds is connected through neuroplastic abilities that our brain has through the glutamate neurotransmitter system. And ketamine is very special because as a substance, it targets that specific neurotransmitter network. So instead of numbing your neurological communication, it actually expands it. And so in the duration of the experience of ketamine, there is this process called the neuroplastic window that gets created. It usually lasts us about seven days. And the

biggest breakthrough that it has is that it allows people to create new neurological connections, to think about their life, to think about the stage in which they're in from a different perspective. And so I know I said a lot right now, but just to summarize, I think the concept of perspective is where we need to really touch upon. That really translates into the physical component of you being able to be your most optimal self. A great way of expressing it is let's think of an MMA ring. When you're in the fight and you're in front of a fighter, you're as focused as you can be with the opponent that you have in front of you. And you're able to see a certain numbers of movements, but they're very limited.

You're limited by the observer's standpoint. Imagine that you have the opportunity to look back from outside of the cage and be the coach that is able to not see just the movements that the fighter has in front of him, but the overarching contextual movement of the fight. That is the perspective that ketamine is able to bring to people in a one-hour experience

that disassociates the person in their life. You still have the remote controller in your hand, but you're able to dissect what's currently happening to you and be able to make those quick decisions. achieve much more efficacy in their physical recovery, for example, because it is in essence an anesthetic that disassociates yourself from pain and from everything else. And so when people take it, they've been able to have incredible breakthroughs on a physical level as well. That's pretty remarkable. I'm just chewing on that, thinking about everything that's happening in the symphony that is the brain. So much of this really, you know, life itself is perspective. One of the things, even on a physical level that I was blown away with was a couple of my buddies.

They wrote the book Unplugged, Dr. Andy Galpin and Brian McKenzie. And one of the things they talked about, you know, with all the data coming from aura rings and whoop watches was the number one indicator. Cause you know, no pro athletes who are allowed to see their own results on competition day that they wouldn't want them to see it because if they slept like shit and they could say now, well, now I'm going to play like shit. So coaches would know that information. And some guys who slept bad would perform bad. Some guys who slept bad would perform great. They'd have like an all time. They set a PR, whatever that was for them. They'd, you know, best shooting percentage, best everything. How does that happen? And they said, number one indicator of performance was perspective. How did they feel that day that they were going to do? That's it. How do I feel

I'm going to do? So whether you believe you're right or you believe you're wrong, you're right. You know, like that's the exact same concept. And I like this because we draw so much from sports. We learn from bodybuilders how to put on muscle. We learn from track athletes how to run faster. We learn all these things from the best in the world in each of their individual sports. And then we, as everyday people try to extract that and say like, what can I add? What sounds cool to me? That's something that's worth doing. And really understanding the ability to reset the body in a unique way and repattern the neuronal networks, I think is the gift of plant medicines. But really the gift of ketamine is that A, it's legal now by prescription and people can access that. And it's a much shorter window, meaning your buy-in is not the same as something like LSD where it's 12 hours. Good luck. You know, as long as you're there, it's going to end in an hour and you'll be back to being your usual self again. Talk a bit about the promise of ketamine and how WonderMed ketamine might differ from traditional prescription methanol health offerings and other ketamine services.

I think that the most summarized version to explain this is that we're here for people to stop taking medicine. And in essence, we're actually giving it. So it's somewhat of a contradiction. But the idea is here that we're developing protocols for people to not create a dependency on the medicine, whichever one it is, and actually be able to recreate and repattern their own habits on a day-to-day basis to truly achieve a breakthrough. And so in the case of Wondermed, what we have kind of set into place is the aspect of the protocol around the medicine being low-dose, the aspect that people are not going to be able to abuse the medicine from WonderMed because there is the right

sets in place by us looking at statewide databases to understand whether this control substance has been prescribed for this individual more than one time or not. We're also performing data tracking to understand how people are actually progressing on the mental health as well as on the physical one with pain surveys. But most importantly, I think, is that WonderMed is allowing the individual to empower themselves. It's the idea that every single one of us has an inner healer inside of us. And that inner healer needs to be able to adapt whichever medical protocol it is to the day-to-day life. And that's what ketamine brings to the table. You mentioned it yourself. If I give you four tabs of LSD for one month, it's hard for you to be able to integrate that with your life on top

of every single other exercise that you need to integrate, whether it's stretching, breath work, meditation. And so what ketamine brings is the opportunity in our case to have four experiences in one month, one hour each, which you take these ketamine lozenges that melts on your mouth and allows you to go into this in-depth meditative state for about one hour. And that one hour is that perspective that we're talking about, where it acts as a catalyst for then you be able to utilize the next week and start repatterning and thinking about the focus or the intention of why you're doing such an experience. And that is really what we've been able to see. Anxiety is different for everybody. I think that Travis, we were talking about it the other day, he suffers from anxiety when he goes into performing. Very different that I might suffer

from anxiety, but yet we have one term for anxiety for all. And so the most fascinating thing that we've been seeing so far in WonderMed is that each patient has their own story. And I would love now for Travis to kind of explain how his story came to be, but we've been seeing people sleeping better. We've been seeing people making moves in their lives that they have never thought of doing before,

changing countries, changing hobbies, changing office spaces. The ability for them to treat their families better is very customized to what that person's intention is when coming into the experience and that's truly the revolution that's like a leg spring to the to the world that's beautiful yeah travis jump in brother yeah totally so like basically uh wanting to follow up with what he was saying it's kind of like uh i loved his analogy with like the ufc and the fighting and like what that way to put it more

in layman's terms it's kind of like i feel to kind of go beyond the mind and kind of get connected to the spirit and being able to like to be able to like i you know my my mind or my ego might have one thing but like there's maybe a greater plan and being able to kind of connect with that source and realize that that is also a connection to the healing. And so finding that upgrade to that inner healer. And at the end of the day, it's your mind, body, and spirit that, that being able to connect all of that together is what really makes you find your flow and your happiness. And it's also where I find my recovery. So for me, like going onto, you know, some of the biggest stages on earth, like walking on the Ellen show or walking on America's Got Talent, you know,

it's, it's like going to be judged for the first time. There's a lot of like pressure, you know, there's a lot of like, you know, walking onto the stage. I'm sure just like when you walk into like a UFC fight, you're just like, you have a plan. And then as soon as it presses go, or when I, when I started on a Ninja Warrior course, I'm like, I have my plan. And then I go into kind of like my autopilot. I'm just like going back into like, this is what just something takes over and I just go. And so a lot of it is your mental preparation. It's a lot of your practice, you know, and a lot of like, just going back to your default of what you have and what you know. And so, so much of what I do in my recovery is preparing for what it's going to be like going into being prepared for my autopilot.

And so what, how, what, when I drop into my meditation, I'm not only being able to kind of see and feel and heal my body, but also I'm getting kind of what I would call downloads or visions of like what my next performance could be like, what I could prepare for, what my what it's going to be like when I'm on stage and and being able to be like and trust in that in that visualization. Like this is what's going to happen and this is how I'm going to act so that I can feel comfortable and not have to worry about anything else but that and that I can put my focus into that. And I've, I've definitely seen amazing results from it. And, uh, and I, and I'm continuing to, you know, just be as optimal as possible. And this is one tool that I really am finding a lot of, uh, joy, but also, you know, a positive impact from. Absolutely. Yeah. I think of that, like I had done some visualization techniques when I was fighting really just to iron out the weigh-ins because I would get so much more nervous on weigh have more muscle than me just because they're almost always shorter.

And I just have my mind would fucking race. So a lot of my visualization was spent in just spending time right there and feeling calm. Like, all right, I'm right by my opponent. I'm right by my opponent and I'm calm and I'm calm and I'm calm and just starting to actually feel into that. A lot of what you're talking about from a visualization standpoint bodes well with Dr. Joe Dispenza's work, you know, and I'm sure you guys are familiar with him. One of the things when I first started getting into his meditations that cracked me up because I had experimented with ketamine lozenges

back in the day and with that meditation. And I was like, man, Joe Dispenza needs to know about this because I think these two would pair very very well together absolutely actually um talking about coincidence the founder of wonderment ryan magnuson is with joe dispensa as we speak right now there we go 100 and i think that from his teachings one of of the main things that he pushes forward is the idea of not being weighed in due to the past. Focus on the present and try to visualize the future. And that's really what this experience brings. A lot of times it's acceptance of the past, realizing that you can change it.

Realize where you are today and almost get this bird eye view of your life. That is how I personally see it. My optimization, not just the physical level, comes from the state of mind. and almost get this bird eye view of your life. That is how I personally see it. My optimization, not just in the physical level, comes on the state of mind. When you wake up in the morning and you're trying to expand a new market, which is the second only one with a bunch of hurdles, both on the legal side,

as well as on the educational one for people, it's all about perspective. And it's all about how you perceive your reality. A lot of people say that you can visualize your future and make it happen. I certainly believe so. The extent in which that can happen definitely modulates. It's not a genie bottle that you just rub on it and you get what you want. The true nature of you wanting to see your life in a very different way, first of all, is going to change how you live it.

That's the ultimate goal that we have. Somebody said the other day that happiness is enjoying the past of time, learning how to actually be able to go through life in the best way possible for yourself and what you need to do in order to be able to understand whether or not you are there or not is to gain some perspective in how you're living it right now. And that's what Ketamine is being able to bring to all of our patients so far. Yeah, I love that. Go ahead. Jonas Benz's books have changed my life as well.

Like Becoming Supernatural, You're the Placebo, those books have been life-changing. And same thing, using those techniques, using those visualizations is an instrument that I use along with the medicine, and it's just profound. Yeah. It's incredible. Absolutely. Yeah. That's great. I think, I think, you know, with the genie bottle and documentaries like the secret, it is, it is important to distinguish, you know, um, dispensa dispensa says you have to feel it with every part of your body, right?

You can't just think it, the feeling must match the thought form. And, and I think, you know, Paul check was one of my teachers told me, you know, he, you have to have achieved 50% of that goal for most people. Most of the time you'll have to have achieved that. So if your goal is a million dollars this year, you had better made 500,000 at some point in throughout your life. If you want to be able to jump to a million, right? If you're busy making 30,000, 40,000, good on you, but a million is a pretty big jump. So 50% of that, then every part of you won't have trouble saying yes. If it's greater than 50%, some part of you is not going to be all in. Some part of me is going to be like, well, I've only made fucking 30 grand last year. How can I make a million dollars next year? Then I'm not matching the feeling with the thought pattern and I'm not able to extend that into the cosmic juice that dispenser talks about.

One hundred percent. You know, the brain is a muscle. Sometimes we think of it as this higher being that controls everything that we do, which in fact it is true. But at the end of the day, it's just a muscle. When you think of a baby being born, they're not even able to speak. And the first words that they say usually are mom, dad, water. And they see it due to repetition. The fact that you're giving them water and you're saying water after the 10th, 20th, 100th time, the brain starts to catch on and creates that thought.

That's a neurological connection that you will never forget. Water means receiving water. With everything in life, the moment that we grow, we're bound by all those thought loops that we have been generating through our lives, whether it's what you learn,

what you hear, what you feel, what you experience. And being able to repattern that is a very powerful thing that needs to be also thread very carefully. I know that we're speaking about the grandiose of what the substance is,

but in all true nature, people need to understand that everything around the medicine is truly the value. It's the intention setting that you need to set up prior to the experience that really allows you to get there. You're talking about that 50%. That 50% of these experiences comes from setting their correct intention. And as well afterwards, being able to integrate it with the proper exercises, being able to also push yourself and hold yourself accountable to what you have seen and perceived. And that at the end of the day is just training another muscle, the same way they go to the gym, but for your own mind.

Yeah, totally. Taking the pill is not like, you know, it's like you're having surgery and you, you know, like you come out and you're completely fixed, you know, like you set setting are super important as well as the medicine is an enhancer for whatever you're trying to achieve. So, yeah, I like that. Dr. Dan Engel says it's psychedelic surgery, right? So, so, you know, if you've got, if you got that going on, you want to have the best, safest container possible. Talk a little bit about, you guys have touched on this just recently, but can you explain the WonderMed protocol and how it differs from other ketamine offerings or for mental health offerings?

In two words, it would be accessibility and independence. I think that our protocol has been focused on the fact that people are able to receive In two words, it would be accessibility and independence. I think that our protocol has been focused on the fact that people are able to receive, whenever they need help, a benzodiazepine prescription for a whole month go into acceptance, to go into legislation, to go into legality, to go into insurance terms. And so our focus has been how can we actually impact the price point of $1,000, whether it's on the low end, around the $900, $800, all the way into the $1,200, even on a telemedicine setting. With us right now for this month, and it's due to mental health awareness, we're at $249 per month.

And our average is going to go up to $399 in about a month. And that is one of the main things that we're focused on. The fact that most people, there is 96 million benzodiazepines prescriptions in the US per year. If we could just change the lives or at least one person out of that, it will be a huge win. And so our focus right now is to try to increase that accessibility. And then in terms of independency is the aspect that people need to be able to integrate this to their lives in the best way possible for themselves. So the fact that you can receive this at your home in a safe environment where you able to see access to curated music journeys that actually take you through the experience under the medicine, as well as being able to access additional resources, whether it's a specific therapist that we are recommending to our patients, as well as different protocols around breathwork, meditation and intention setting on a day-to-day basis. So the biggest differentiator is that we're trying to actually change the lives of people

that currently don't have access to this type of alternative. Yeah, that's a big one. I was prescribed whatever I wanted in college. And so I had two milligrams Xanax, I had 10 milligram Valium, and I was also getting Vicodin as well just for knee pain and football and things like that. It was really just to be high. And the thing that I noticed was in coming off all that, whatever anxiety that was squelched from those pharmaceuticals, that always remained.

And it always looked, the skeletons in the closet grow when you're not looking at them. They don't go away. And I think that's one of the best things about psychedelics is that you pull the curtain back and all is revealed. Like whatever I've been stuffing down, that's going to come up at some point. It may not come up all in this first journey, but over time, the layers and layers that keep getting pulled back, I eventually get to see, you know, the truth, the truth of what I've been hiding from myself, the truth of what I'm afraid to look at.

And through looking at it, I can change that perspective and begin to see the world with new eyes. So it truly is something that to the uninitiated, it's hard to really describe it. But the people who have understand it and done it in the right set and setting, they know there's nothing else to compare it to, that it is truly one of a kind. Yeah. I have a way of expressing it with my background in astrophysics. I will try to keep it simple, but it really, really taps into these supernatural component of the medicine. Everything around us, and this also comes from the quantum physics theory, is fields.

Every single particle that we see around us are actual permutation or events that happen in different fields, whether it's the electromagnetic field, the electron field, and our brain, like every single component of nature, communicates through different frequencies. When you are feeling anxiety, you're in a high beta frequency. It's also attached to this concept of incoherence of mind. Ketamine drops you down all the way to an alpha theta state. So it's not just that you have additional neurological connections, it's that your brain is also being able to be tapped in a different frequency. And that's almost why a lot of people in these psychedelic experiences talk about their experience as a communication to their spirit, tapping to a different dimension. It's a different frequency in which you're able to communicate within your brain. And that alone is a fascinating

concept that has been able to be seen through EEG scans and testings of how the theta wavelength gets moved to the front part of the brain and you see almost a balance happening. That's very rare to see with a medicine that does so much more than just this change. Yeah, that's definitely massive. And I think of the, you know, all of the HRV scores that are, you know, you're trying to increase heart rate variability, things like that. They're all found in that range, the alpha theta range. That's where you find balance. That's where you get heart rate variability. So speaking of what you're talking about, Travis, from a recovery standpoint, increased HRV means I've recovered effectively. And if we're able to drop our mind there, we can almost reverse engineering. We're

almost reverse engineering the body's response to stress. So we have that ability to go in and rewrite. It reminds me of Michael Pollan, you know, when he, he, he wrote the book, how to change your mind. And he, he was the example of, you know, a mountain that's been skied, you know, snowboarded and skied on a million times by the end of the winter. It's, it's likely got a lot of worn grooves from where everybody's gone. But when you have the psychedelic experience, it's like putting fresh powder on the mountain. And now instead of sliding into someone else's groove, that pre-ordered neuronal pathway you've had since you were five years old, you now get to choose exactly where you want to go down the mountain. That's beautiful. Travis, tell me, tell me a bit about how, um, did you, did you have any

prior psychedelic use prior to ketamine or working with Wunderman? Yeah, I've, I've, I've experimented with different, uh, psychedelics, um, and just trying to find, uh, what, what flows and what works, uh, you know, experimenting with, uh, uh, different plant medicines, um, and finding, you know, different, different results. But I would definitely say ketamine is probably my preferred one because of just the duration, like what we talked about before that, you know, the fact that it is just an hour and then you can reset from that, you know, the other plant medicines that I've used before, you know, have like a much longer duration and not necessarily as much of a hangover, but much more of like a reintegration period that you just kind of like,

Oh wow. Like a process. This is more of just like, I've done this, I'm done. I can reset. I can, you know, go about my day or I can, you know, like, uh, you know, I'm fresh, start fresh on Monday type experience or whatever day of the week it is. And so this has been by far my like preferred method. Yeah. Accessibility and ease, right? If you can make it convenient, then you can stay consistent with it. Jose, talk a little bit about what are the risks of abuse and or addiction with this substance in particular? It's a very interesting conversation because when you talk about medicine or any substance that you usually intake, when we talk about addiction or dependency, usually we're thinking of the physical

dependency, the physical aspect of your body molecules requesting more of it. That happens on the dependency of benzodiazepines. It happens with nicotine when people smoke. Ketamine is very, very special for this nature because it is non-physically addictive. It is a state addictive. It is the fact that people can actually, due to the fact that you go into this dissociative state, people could get dependent on that experience as their only basis of moving forward in the mental health progression or the whole optimization progression. In this case, different ways in which we can cope with it is one, have the right protocols to follow. Never abuse the substance in terms of additional concepts or additional frequency than what your doctor is prescribing you. In WonderMed, you're actually going through a whole flow where you

get diagnosed and you have a one-on-one consultation with your clinician where you can actually personalize the experience to the extent which is most adaptable to you. Following such a protocol is really the key to be able to mitigate any form of risk or abuse. As I mentioned before, from a company standpoint, we also bear the responsibility of making sure that we're not over-prescribing and that people are not receiving prescriptions from multiple companies or just being able to change names and make sure that on the data side, we're actually able to identify when somebody's coming in more than once or not.

But at the end of the day, this is an aspect of responsibility. We're a company that have as many responsibilities as any other company that I've worked with before. And we're trying to hit every single one of them every day. But this also bears a responsibility on the user. This is actually an opportunity. You were saying the amount of prescriptions that you were given when you were injured, if you, for whatever reason, decided to abuse those, you might not be here today with us. If you take a whole bottle prescription of benzodiazepine that is given to you for one month and you take it, you don't wake up after it.

In the sense of ketamine, with the total amounts of dosing that we're providing to people at their home, even in the worst case scenario of abuse, death is not a risk factor that has been seen in hundreds and thousands of clinical trials that have been happening. And so the safety component of the substance in not just being physically non-dependent and just stay dependent and also have very good bioavailability within the human body makes it a fantastic medicine for people to be able to get introduced in this new realm of alternative medicine. Lastly, I mean, to be said, a lot of people know of ketamine as an anesthetic that has been used in multiple settings, but in the ER, for example, when you actually need to put somebody down after a very drastic accident, say somebody has lost their leg in a car accident, a lot of the times the use of ketamine is something that makes the doctor feel very safe in putting somebody down,

disassociate themselves with the pain, and know that the risk component of the substance is also not high. So overall, those are the main things that I would take into consideration around abuse and addiction. alter ego, you know, his microdosing protocol and talked about, you know, which days he was microdosing a boga and when the big ceremony was each quarter and the once a month mushroom journey and all these things. And I was like, I could see how for like a real dialed in type A personality, how that makes sense. But it also took like the flow of being called to the medicine out for me. And so at the time I was like, eh, I don't really get that. And then, you know, over time and working with ketamine and kratom and different things, I really saw the benefit of structure around when you're going to do the journey, you know,

and you still have a calling to do it or you don't. But with that, you know, setting up parameters and guardrails. So it takes the guesswork out. So I'm not just sitting there going, yeah, I don't have much going on today. I should run it back. I think that becomes critically important because without those guardrails at best, you're just watering down those experiences by having them too often and you're not fully integrating them. At worst, you become dependent on those experiences. And I think that the hedonic calendar can be incredibly important, especially with regards to things like kratom or ketamine, because both of those have such a euphoric feel to them.

Yeah. In our cases, once a week, think about everything that you're able to accomplish in a whole week time. Can you allow yourself for one hour meditation that allows you to span out and gain a different perspective that you most likely have not experienced before? My answer is clear. And a lot of the patients that we've had, that's kind of their main aspect of whether they should do it, try it or not, is we're making it simple. It's one hour of an experience where you have to set an intention prior and then an integration that you could do on your weekends, on your Sundays. People try to do them in the middle of the week because it allows them to gain balance. It really is up to the user to be able to make this happen.

And after the first month, when you meet with the clinician again, that adaptiveness into how you've seen the medicine be part of your calendar is something that could be changed, modified, and personalized even further. So couldn't agree more with what you just mentioned. Yeah. And I'm going to follow up with that. I've had the honor of working with Flow Genome for a number of years. Jamie Wheel is an amazing human. And the research that they do with the Flow Genome Project is world class. And it's been great to work with them

and get to go to Google and meet some incredible people. Definitely worth researching if you haven't heard of them before. Yeah, they're absolutely incredible. How could people become patients or work with you guys? Right now, it's pretty exciting for us to be able to

say this because we've been working on this platform for the past 18 months. We're live in the four main estates of california texas florida and new york in those estates right now for anybody trying to seek this new form of perspective in an experience as an alternative form of medicine for the mental health disorder for the treatment of anxiety just has to go to wondermed.com go through an eligibility survey at the beginning of the website where you're able to see whether or not this medicine is a fit for you. And right after that, you're going to go into a very simple process to schedule a consultation with a clinician. And all the way through that point, if you're deemed illegible in the call with the clinician, meaning that you will not be receiving the prescription uh we're sending all the money back to you so there's a full refund uh optionality that we have for people to really be able to take the next step in at least having the consultation

with the clinician and understanding what is it that wonderment is bringing to the table and so yeah just as a reminder wonderment.com it's live now beautiful i guess i have a follow-up question then what would be a dis what would be a disqualification? What would disqualify somebody in that questionnaire? anxiety. In our case right now, given our initial protocol, we're focusing on anxiety disorder. So one of the main disqualifications that can happen is that you're suffering from a mental health diagnosis that currently we're not treating. The benefits of the fact that anxiety is prevalent in almost everybody, it's almost the other side of the coin to the mystery, is that a lot of people are having the opportunity to see this as an alternative. After that, another main component of disqualification is any form of past abuse or any form of risk aversion of abuse in any other substance. At the moment, we would refer you to

the best next option in the market. And then other components is the fact that you need to be 18 and older. For women, they can be pregnant or trying to get pregnant at the time of the medication. There is one main thing around cardiovascular disorders. If anybody's currently suffering from cardiovascular disorder, the company WonderMed is shipping a BP monitor, so you can actually track your blood pressure prior to doing the experience. And this is due to the fact that ketamine can have a slight uptake on your blood pressure. And so it's just to make sure that you're not going into the experience with

an already high level of blood pressure monitoring. So those are the main disqualifiers, uh, that you can have. Cool. Well, that's, that's great. I mean, I know, uh, most of my listeners are here in Austin, New York City, and LA. So you got all three of the big three locked down. And I know you guys are expanding and doing all sorts of stuff. Ryan's been cluing me in here and there on everything that's going on. And I'm super stoked for the future of y'all. Where can people find you guys individually online? Yeah. Travisbrewer.ninja is my Instagram. It's also my

website. It has the link to all my socials. Myself, it will be LinkedIn, Jose Munoz Aicard. I'm sure you will be able to find the name on the description. Go to the LinkedIn. I'm pretty active in actually making connections. I usually use it because it's the perfect balance between the neuroscientists and the business people and actual patients. So I find it very, very appealing for people in the communication side. That's beautiful. Well, it's been excellent having you guys on and I'm excited to work with you. Same here. Thank you so much, Kyle. Thank you.