Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #263 Chris w/ Alive Water

Episode Date: July 27, 2022

Alive Water is an incredible provider of just that, water that's alive, and Chris Sanborn is the mastermind at the helm. We get into his back story bringing up this incredible company through some adversity, some of the benefits and what is "raw" water, their current mission and growth, as well as his upcoming passions. Go support them at everything linked below and spread the word. Love yall! Connect with Alive Waters:   Website: alivewaters.com - findaspring.com  Instagram: @alivewaters - @gaiaguardian  Facebook: Live Water  Twitter: @alivewaterco  YouTube: Alive Water  Sponsors:   Nutrisense For the best window into your metabolic health head to: https://www.nutrisense.io/ and use code “KYLE” at checkout and get $30 off your first month Organifi Go to organifi.com/kkp to get my favorite way to easily get the most potent blend of high vibration fruits, veggies and other goodies into your diet! Click that link and use code “KKP” at checkout for 20% off your order! PaleoValley Some of the best and highest quality goodies I personally get into are available at paleovalley.com, punch in code “KYLE” at checkout and get 15% off everything! Lucy Go to lucy.co and use codeword “KKP” at Checkout to get 20% off the best nicotine gum in the game, or check out their lozenge.   To Work With Kyle Kingsbury Podcast   Connect with Kyle:   Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service Academy  Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys   Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com  Zion Node: https://getzion.com/ > Enter PubKey  >PubKey: YXykqSCaSTZNMy2pZI2o6RNIN0YDtHgvarhy18dFOU25_asVcBSiu691v4zM6bkLDHtzQB2PJC4AJA7BF19HVWUi7fmQ   Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

all right y'all we're back and i am still just back from vegas as uh last week and this week i'm i'm knocking these out at the same time for ads so still a little tired we're gonna rock and roll we've got chris from alive water on today i've been working with alive water for some time thanks to my brother luke story who is always searching for the best of everything. From the best gadgets and gizmos and technology to the best things that really do make a huge difference. Like, what is the water that you're drinking and why? And Chris was coming to town from Hawaii, somebody I wanted to meet a while ago. We had actually talked for about an hour on the phone.

And when he told me he was in town, I was like, dude, we got to get on the podcast. Cause I don't know that I'm going to have another opportunity to get you on. I don't think I'm heading to Hawaii anytime soon. And, um, Chris has an amazing story. I mean, he was put through the ringer by, uh, the mainstream media back in the day and just discussing the benefits of raw water, the benefits of spring water that's undenatured, you know, and some pretty crazy stats. You know, we now know that just because something's labeled organic doesn't mean it wasn't sprayed with something. There's a pretty fat list of what you're allowed to spray on organic food to preserve it, meaning you're adding some form of preservative, organic or not,

to keep it and give it a longer shelf life in the grocery store. That's not the same thing as growing your own food or going to a farmer's market and getting something that's sprayed, but nothing, just not. And same thing with water. Most spring water we get has been filtered and undenatured, meaning it's taken out a lot of the electrolytes and you might add some back in for flavor, but it's not the same thing. It's not the same vortex water that was pushed through the earth. We talk about that process, like what builds a spring.

And another awesome company that Chris has that he bought is findaspring.com. Findaspring.com has been around for a while. I think Joe Vitale was the guy that started it. But it basically grants you access to a database where you can find hot springs and cold springs all over the world. And with that, you can go fill your own water, which is the best, right? Then you have the ability to harness something straight from nature the way all of our ancestors did and give that to yourself and your family and you will feel the difference there's no two ways about it if you do happen to live in austin or la and i think i think they're branching out to a few other people as well a few other places they're

actually all through california and i know i've got some cali folks listening uh hopefully still even through the last two years and um you can get the very best water possible, which is, you know, very high on the ladder of, of Paul checks top six. When you go through holistic lifestyle coach level one, they're doing that in October in Austin. So check out the check Institute. If you want to see what's coming on for upcoming events and make your way out to Austin, my wife will be participating in it with a number of our friends. So that changed my life, of course, back in 2012. But Chris is awesome. He's got a great story. We dive into all the benefits of drinking really good water, some unique probiotics

and properties they found in raw water and just a whole lot more. And love this dude. Love to be working with him. Really appreciate what he's doing with the live water and what he's doing with find a spring. And I's doing with Find a Spring and I love his information so you guys are going to dig this one be sure to share it with friends be sure to leave us a 5 star rating with one or two ways the show has helped you out in life and definitely

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I always get like a certain set of excitement. I was going to say a certain set of nerves, but I'm more excited than nervous just because of the fast pace. Like once you see there's nothing random, it's like, oh, okay. But I'm heading out tomorrow to Vegas. You hit me up over the weekend seeing if I was going to be around because you had popped into town from Hawaii to California here to Austin. And I was like, I don't have a ton of time to hang outside of work because I'm leaving for a week with my kids. But I want to podcast with you.

And we had, this all started from Luke's story, turning me on to your company, Alive Water. Getting to try that at a fit for service event. I was completely blown away by it. And then obviously now I'm full on, it's all my family drinks. And then I think Chris introduced us via the phone. We got the chance to talk and we talked a lot of what your history has been about. We talked about, you know, the birth of Alive Water. We talked about, you know, the, the birth of a live water. We talked about the, the championing of real clean organic water, you know, from, from the earth, the way it's supposed to be versus what the, the narrative has been for such a long time. And it's, it's funny because it, you know, there's, um, I mentioned this before on the podcast, but there's like an interesting

rule of thumb that, um, what's Foster Gamble, the director of thrive documentary. Oh yeah. One of his favorites is to ask someone if he's at a party, what their, what are their thoughts on nine 11? And like, that's his grading poll right there to see like, does this guy know what's happening in the world or do they not know? Right. Like that's the, that's the question. And that's the first question I have with people. My version of that without bringing up 9-11 is water. If you have to test what someone knows about food and what someone knows about health, I ask them, what kind of water do they drink?

What do you think of fluoride in the water? What do you think? You know, these kinds of questions. And then that's, that's my ability to be like, oh, okay, well maybe I can educate him. Maybe I can't, but, um, you know, it's interesting. I feel like more people know about nine 11 than they do about like raw water or like the differences of most spring waters. Um, you know, that they have that, uh, that they're processed. Like, I feel like most people don't actually know that. No idea. And obviously what you're speaking to is the, is the, some of the high level stuff that I want to dive into with you on this podcast that really speaks

to the vast differences there are within water. But even just from like the, I mean, I have a buddy who's a dentist and he's, you know, just getting into plant medicines and he's a rad guy, but it's funny because he's like, you know, the fluoride thing's really been overblown and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, dude, you're just drinking the fucking Kool-Aid because you're a dentist. Can't you see that? Can you see how absurd that is? That's funny.

Anywho, though, talk about your life growing up and what drove you on your health journey. And then we'll dive into the birth of AliveWater and jumping into the mainstream media and all the good shit that transpires. Yeah. Yeah, so I grew up in the suburbs about an hour north of Atlanta, Georgia. I had a pretty like normal upbringing. I didn't really actually like get that much into like hunting or fishing like growing up in Georgia like as most people would imagine actually got into that later in life but I did get a chance to do a lot of, like, deep-sea fishing with my dad and grandpa, so spending time out on the water. And then, like, in high school, I started really getting into more to, like, camping

and, like, just spending time in nature, rock climbing and then went to community college and took an environmental environmental conservation class or more just like environmental sciences and then I realized like oh wow like there's actually a lot of environmental degradation going on that's just like destroying the planet and felt inspired to help in that way. So then I got into solar for a few years, doing solar construction, just working on the roof with the guys. It was really rewarding just getting to come together with a group of guys and see a project from beginning to finish and see it completed and know that you're helping put renewable energy that's going

to be around for a long time. And then started getting more into yoga and that kind of thing. And then that led me into like learning about more like health and wellness. Started listening to David Wolfe and Daniel Vidalis. Ricardo Wolfe, my dude. Yeah. Yeah, definitely like one of the original champions of our time of raw water, raw spring water and the power of that. And yeah, you know, learning from them that like 99.9% of spring water is processed.

I was like, wow, I've probably never even had like spring water spring water, like real spring water, just direct from the earth. Um, so then I, um, actually used, uh, the site that Daniel Vitalis had created originally find a spring and, um, you can go on there and you see, um, all the cold and hot springs that users of the site actually have added to it. And it took me a while to find a good one, but I did. I was living in Topanga Canyon outside of Los Angeles at the time and drove about three hours to Big Bear, me and my buddy Warren Hellerud. And I remember drinking it. It was just such a beautiful experience to see how water was, like, just coming directly out of the earth, like, how it was birthed in a way,

like, coming out like that. And then it didn't, like, hit me, like how it was birthed in a way, like coming out like that. And then it didn't like hit me like immediately. Um, but we drove, we started driving and then like, we actually got to a restaurant and like, it was this, this feeling came over me. It was like almost like psychedelic. Like I had taken mushrooms or something, you know, it was just, it was so profound, just this, this peacefulness just came over me. And that's when I really like, feel like the water spoke to me of just like the power of, of that fresh spring water that has the probiotics in it, has all the minerals and all of these other energetics that are somewhat difficult to even quantify. Yeah, I think people are familiar on my podcast. Maybe not. Luke's going to hook me up with him.

But Gerald Pollack, who wrote The Fourth Phase of Water, I remember when Ben Greenfield first had him on the podcast. And there's been many others that have talked about structuring water and different ways of, of, um, why that's important and how it interacts with the cells in the body, how it is a carrier of information and, um, as well as nutrients. Um, but that's still, you know, it's, it's, even if you've heard of Gerald and his work, it's still not something that we directly connect. and we still don't think of the processes like that. If we're looking at something in a full loop in nature, we see the evaporation of water, leaves the condensation, the raindrops come down largely naked, even though they're taking some particulates and nasty shit from the air, hits the ground, starts to seep in

with enough, and as it starts passing through all the plants and all the different microorganisms along its way, making its way back to the water table, it's getting charged. It's gathering all the minerals. It's making itself a complete whole water again. And by the time it's ready to come through that birth canal and out of a spring, it is completely undenatured and ready to go. And it's the best source of water we can get. Talk a little bit about, um, that process and talk a little bit about the, the issues with most water that we see right now. Yeah. So what you're saying is, is exactly true. You know, it's the natural spring water is just what our bodies have adapted to drink over 99.9% of humans existence, we didn't drink

processed water. So that alone, you know, is just, um, is really, I think something that's important to realize. Um, and then, yeah, I think, um, what happens with, uh happens with even like spring water, which is definitely, I think, better than a lot of the other stuff, stuff like distilled or filtered. I mean, I think most people know nowadays, like obviously tap water has, like you said, fluoride and like chlorine and all of these things that are just super detrimental. Um, luckily more municipalities nowadays are starting to take out fluoride, like in Hawaii, um, they don't put fluoride in. Um, but yeah, so, you know, people started like getting into like filtered water and, uh, the issue with that is, um, water is always kind it's going to strip the minerals out of your body. Instead of adding those minerals that we need, like a good spring water will have magnesium, potassium, a little bit of calcium, not too much, some sodium, and then also silica,

which is like this rare beauty mineral. It's actually like these little rainbow crystals. You can see it form sometimes. So what started happening about, I don't know, 50 to 100 years ago is spring water companies realized that um for shelf stability like they they needed to start processing it start processing water with uh ozone gas or uv light and essentially when they started doing that they could just leave the water in a hot warehouse or it could be exposed to direct light and then it wouldn't turn green so they they could store it longer and transport it easier. And yeah, that's when things got a little bit weird,

which is something I think most people don't realize. But yeah, the fact that, uh, you can get like natural probiotics in these microbes in, um, fresh, raw spring water is just such a, such a beautiful gift, you know? Yeah. That's, that was bananas to me. I remember on the conversation hearing that you guys had, I think seen at least five new probiotic species in the raw water. Yeah. And it makes sense. It's similar, you know, as you're describing what happened with water, it's similar to most people who understand the milk game. You know, like, oh, I thought raw milk would kill me.

You know, and you're like, I don't know. This is the way nature intended it. And if we don't have it from a black and white Holstein cow, we actually get the right casein, and then that causes less GI issues. But just from a financial perspective even if you take you know nefarious means out like how do i extend the life of milk how do i keep it in grocery stores longer how can i ship it properly without a great shipping container and juice too yeah exactly right so like we've seen this happen everywhere and it makes sense because if your

water is alive and so yeah shit's gonna grow in it if the sunlight hits it you have the right environment to create growth that's how life emerges um but you know similar to uh you know whether it's milk or water or food the more alive it is the closer to life that it is and the further away from death you know the least amount of time it's spent dead the better you know if i have a fresh kill i mean you know this from fishing have a fresh kill, I mean, you know, this from fishing too, like you fish something, you pull it out, you eat it that night. It's a whole different ball game.

It's different than anything you get in a grocery store. Yeah. You know, and, um, the more dead a food is, you know, if it's shelf stable in a box for six months or in the apocalypse pantry, that's, that might have some macronutrients for you, but it's not a living thing anymore. You know, it's not, it's not as supportive as something that's fresh and ready. Yeah. Well, talk about your journey when you started off with your company and really being a pioneer.

It seems a lot parallels between your story and certainly probably to a lesser degree than David Avocado Wolf. But David Avocado Wolf, I remember, was one of the first guys that really started to speak to the laughable nature of the FDA and their purpose with regulating food. You know, like they're just clowns, you know, to be perfectly honest. Yeah. And many of these other, you know, unelected officials that were somehow the, you know, the police state of what we can and cannot put in our bodies. Talk a bit about, you know, as you were growing and really championing this style of eating and living and drinking, some of the trials and tribulations you ran up against in the mainstream. Yeah, definitely some of those for sure. You know, the bottled water industry in the United States is $30 billion a year in revenue,

just in the United States. So it's a big market and it's growing every year, which, you know, it's kind of cool in a way. It's like, that's great. People are starting to look at their water and their food more and realize like, okay, maybe we shouldn't drink tap water. I mean, I think it's hilarious. Like a lot of the, most of these waters are just like processed tap water, like in plastic, like sitting in, you know, plastic, um, which like even BPA free, um free um they a lot of people have come out and said well you know what is the alternative they just like picked the next next closest thing like maybe it is actually worse than bpa we don't really know um we do know that like a lot of the plastic

plastics like if something's um sitting in them for really long time, like there's microplastics that get into the liquids and, you know, they can times reached out to me and said they wanted to do a story about, um, what we were doing. And, um, so I, I, uh, gave them an interview. They had someone fly out to do a photo shoot. I was living on Maui at the time. I live on Kauai now. And yeah, I didn't think too much of it. I was like, oh, cool. You know, it's a great opportunity to get exposure. And so the article came out like a few weeks later and they printed a caption on a photo of like a river like kind of insinuating that we were just getting collecting the water from like a river instead of a covered springhead like we actually do and they also had like kind of a misleading caption that they ended up changing like two or three days later and right after after that article, like it definitely

felt very coordinated. Like, um, everyone from like men's journey, like men's health to like the doctor show to like good morning America, the Stephen Colbert report, um, like all of these huge media networks were started running stories on us uh saying that our what the um our water could kill people and it was like 60 a gallon like just audacious stuff um it really opened me up to um the just the the mainstream narrative sometimes how it's just uh really like lamestream and just and just a lot of it just uh big corporate agendas it's it's absolutely it's dirty that's the easiest way to put it you know it's it's um most people still – one of the things that I track, going back to the 9-11 question is like – another question is what TV do you watch? Like the second they mention, like, well, I still turn into such and such news channel. It doesn't matter which fucking news channel it is.

It's like, damn, all right, you're not there yet. Right. But I think of that as like the, there is, there is an agenda and it may not be, you know, as, as far perverse as David Icke would say, it may not be as far preserved as some other people would say, but there, there certainly is a controlling elite that does have their best interest in mind. And all you really need to do is Foster Gamble says, and thrive is follow the money. You know, like what, how is Google and Apple and Amazon all similar to one another outside of tech? They're all in bed with big pharma, every single one of them. Right. So like, why would the narrative change online

in protection of COVID-19 vaccines and misinformation, quote unquote. Well, if there's a financial interest and there's financial gain to be had from everybody going hook, line and sinker and following each other off a cliff, then yeah, they're going to make sure that happens. I mean, I've brought up the point that if I created a supplement and convinced all my friends in the world who are all elite-level people that have been installed at various governments all over the earth, World Economic Forum-esque, and then told the world, you have to take this supplement in order to survive, and I want you to make it mandatory, and mandates start coming in, and you lose your job, or you lose your bank account, or you lose X, Y, and Z unless you take the supplement, that supplement's going to crush. It's going to do very well at $15 a shot, $15 a bottle. It's going to do very, very well. And that's not, um, it's not a big stretch if you can connect those pieces, you know, and that's all trackable, but I I've seen that. I think it's for me in seeing like who is aware of the things that I'm aware of when I look at other people's accounts and things like that on social media, in large part, people that are from health and wellness had no trouble seeing through the bullshit.

No trouble whatsoever because they've already seen the fuckery going on for decades when it comes to our food and our drinking water and you name it. Yeah, taking away freedoms. What do you mean I can't drink raw milk? Like this is my body, like my choice, right? Yeah, it was just so obvious with the plandemic, scandemic. I think, you know, I really hope, I think a lot of people woke up from that, like seeing like, oh my God, this agenda. But it's also so shocking to see how many people just, just totally like went for it. And like, even to this day, still, I see people, you know, walking outside, outside, no one around wearing masks wow like we've uh definitely definitely they've done a good job like big pharma and just like whatever these forces that be of uh of conditioning people

to to believe a certain thing and um yeah I think they definitely like people kind of, uh, perpetuate that by tuning into that, to that, those like, uh, fear mongering, like media sources, you know? Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. Where do you see, uh, the power of water moving? Where do you see that, you know, whether, whether it's Pollock's work or someone else's, where do you see like the next level of water? Where do you see the next level of how we work with it? You know, I know you guys are doing a couple of things. You mentioned find a spring. Obviously, you have a live water in certain towns that it can go to. But speak to that. What do you think the future is in terms of how we navigate? There's two paths I see going forward. The full-on centralized, top-down, one-world government, new world order, or everything's decentralized. We have access, everything is locally produced, everything is self-sustaining on small levels

and interconnected into all things. Yeah, man. We're moving there. We're moving towards the decentralization. I definitely have hope for that. I know when we spoke on the phone uh you're kind of a crypto nerd like me and uh it's so cool when you really dig into it and like understand like oh like we have these decentralized um ways to to transact with each other with money in a sovereign way where it's unstoppable like i can send you bank bitcoin just from directly from me to you i don't need an intermediary bank uh no one can shut it down and there's there's real

scarcity there, right? Like 21 million Bitcoin. We know that's all there will ever be. And it's cheaper. It's faster. And what's so cool about decentralized money is I think people are going to wake up to the power and the beauty of decentralization and that sovereignty, and it's going to translate into everything. Um, decentralized voting and, and decentralized,

um, even like businesses. Like, I think in the future, it's going to be like, oh, is this, like, do I want to support this company that's like owned, like, you know, like 90% by this one billionaire, or do I want to support this other company that actually like the employees and like the customers own it? Um, so yeah, I have a lot of optimism with that. And, you know, I know you guys, uh, just started doing your, your, uh, working on your land that you've purchased. And, you know, I know you guys just started doing your working on your land that you purchased. And, you know, I think once people see how fun that can be and how rewarding and just how much better it is, too. I mean, just if something's fresh, like fresh, like you said, a fresh kill or a fresh, even a fresh head of lettuce, you know, you can't, you can't buy that. And even if you, you could, it's like, you still, you still don't

know, like for sure what the quality of that is, what the inputs were, who, who touched it. And there is just such a beautiful thing too, with that, like hunting, fishing, growing your own food, the sovereignty piece. It just feels so good once you have that. And I think people are going to start to see us thriving and really excelling in that way. And it's going to spread more. Um, so yeah, with water, I've been, been really blessed, um, to have a great team and great customers. We have about 2,500 customers right now. Um, and, uh, California, we cover most of California. Um, and then just started here in Austin a few months ago. And next month we're going to, actually in the next week or two, we're going to Florida.

Oh, cool. Yeah, Miami, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach. So super excited about that. That's awesome. And you guys, you source around Big Bear for most of California, is that right? And then you source somewhere east of us for Texas and Florida. Yeah. So it started out, uh, with at big bear, uh, for California, I was just going, um, driving up there and just collecting by hand and a big wooden trailer. Um, but as things grew, we needed like a more solid operation. Something was more like established and, um, has all the

equipment and the storage space and everything. So, um, I actually searched for quite a while and, um, found a spring, um, that I think is the best one for on the West coast. It's called Opal Springs and that's in, uh, central Oregon. And, um, what I think is really unique about that spring and also the spring that we're using for Texas and then going to be using for Florida as well, that spring is Blue Spring in Alabama. And I think those springs are actually primary water sources. Are you familiar with that concept at all break that down please yeah so it's actually been scientifically proven a lot more um in the recent years that the water actually has or sorry the earth has this capability to form a chemical reaction inside the earth to create water.

You know, it's hydrogen on oxygen. So what happens is there's actually a lot of people say there's like more water in the Earth's crust than there is maybe even on the oceans. Damn. Yeah. So it's this really interesting concept of primary water. It's being created and then coming to the surface. So there's no radioactive fallout. That's one of the ways I think you can really tell because, you know, from all the nuclear testing and all the bombs and everything like

there's radioactive isotopes we're actually breathing it in right now it's in most surface water i mean it's in all surface water it's in the oceans and um you know it's not necessarily like the worst thing on the planet but um it's definitely something you can kind of gauge like the purity and a lot of people will say like oh this water like was on the surface like 10 000 years ago like hmm it's almost like a way to carbon date something yeah but i think i i don't think that's necessarily true i think they they maybe just don't understand the concept of primary water. And it might be true in some things like glaciers, right? But yeah, what's really cool about that is it has no industrial age contamination.

So it's super pure, no pesticides, no fertilizer, any of that stuff. And then the other really cool thing when you think about it is like, wow, this is actually like a way the earth can kind of self-cleanse itself, which gives me a lot of hope. Yeah, I love the concept of that just from the fact that, you know, obviously it doesn't matter where you're at. In the last two years, there's been quite widespread drought. Growing up in California, to me, that's a real drought. Not getting much rain for 20 years until El Nino comes around,

then it pours for two years. That was a real drought. Me and here in Texas, they claim to to be in a drought past couple of years. And yet we're still getting 30 plus inches of rain each year. So it's like, that's not less than we normally get, but it ain't a drought. You know,

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where, that word, you know, sure. Like natural and health food stores and shit like that. It's just bastardized. But, but yeah,

yeah. I think about that, you know, as, as if desertification keeps moving in the direction that it is and we don't get, you know, maybe Joel Salatin was, was off in stating that we'd need one in 10 people to become farmers, regenerative farmers, um, to reverse that, uh, within the next 80 years. Yeah. I definitely think the industrial, typical like industrial farming is definitely causing more desertification. I think most people are starting to wake up to that. Yeah. Yeah. Some people. We're going out to me and a bunch of the members of the farm are going out to a Allen Savory Institute in Virginia for a week in

the beginning of August. So we're going to be picking brains and learning full-scale regenerative agriculture. So cool, man. Apply that to our farm. I can't wait. I just had a great podcast with Taylor from Force of Nature, and he's partners with the guys at Rome Ranch. They do the regenerative agriculture with the best bison I've ever had.

So cool. And they said that early on in the forming of force of nature they did a savory institute training and it said totally completely changed the trajectory of what they were going to do wow so i'm like fuck yeah man that's like the best nod from a homie who's done extremely well in the regenerative space that's so exciting in the past three years they've done amazing stuff. They recently had an event that I missed because I was working on my own farm, but Zach Bush was a speaker there. They had soil experts.

They had the documentary filmmaker who made Kiss the Ground was there. They had a ton of cool fucking people at that event. So it's nice to see that the numbers are growing, that the awareness is expanding. Yeah. You know? Yeah, and even, you know, I think even if people have just a small backyard, you know, they can at least start making their own compost, you know,

start learning to do that. Like, we really can all participate, and it's... Yeah, that's something I've been telling people, too. Our house in Austin, you know, down the street from here, is in between Onnit and the airport in Southeast. We have a tenth of an acre. It's, we have a 10th of an acre. It's the smallest fucking backyard on earth. But we put in bunch bamboo, which only spreads three feet in each direction. So we got those guys, it's like a back wall that's 30 feet tall.

Nice. And it makes it like a jungle. We've got a banana tree that we planted last year, ice cream bananas. They do 10 to 12 inch bananas. Oh yeah, I know those ones. and they replant themselves right so like next to them there's like eight pups growing up alongside mom that's so cool technically it's all one plant i get that but it looks like you know she had eight children with her and she's fruiting this year a year early with fucking massive bananas growing on it that's like it's a jungle. And we've got a couple apple trees, a plum tree.

And, you know, we're not doing a lot of annuals outside of flowers and stuff for the pollinators. But like our front yard is for birds and the pollinators. And our backyard is for the birds and for all of the food that we're going to have in our shade. It's a little sanctuary. Nice. You know, it's like doing a Zen garden. Yeah, it's a little sanctuary. Nice. You know, it's like doing a Zen garden. And I think that's such a, it's an easy entry point for people to build that connection to nature, to see growth happen, to see like, when, when can I tend and take care of something

that's living alongside me? Right. That's a one way we shifted, you know, in the I, we all model of consciousness that, that, uh, Paul Cech talks about. You can move out of the I into the we, when you enter a relationship with something. Then I love what you're saying. That's the perfect segue to find a spring. So, um, yeah, find a spring, as I mentioned, uh, it's a great database, um, that I actually used to start my water delivery company. And, uh, a few years ago years ago, we acquired it from Daniel and

turned it into a nonprofit environmental conservation foundation. So, you know, that's a way everyone can contribute to adding test results for the community, for their local community. If there's a spring that's near them, you know, a lot of, I always tell people, like, if you live in a place where there's great spring water, like that's the first best option, go and collect it yourself. Um, a lot of places like Texas, Florida, like LA, like there's just not really, uh, great, great springs in close proximity um or they turn the big spring into a pool yeah yeah that happens which uh hey man i'm grateful for that yeah days like today 100 plus degrees no doubt no doubt i certainly love it there there's no doubt was it was that uh originally like uh a spring you could collect from?

I'm not sure. I'm transplanted here early for most Californians five or six years ago. But I imagine that way back in the day that was the case. Because Austin only came up fairly recently. One of my buddies and mentors who just passed away, Dr. Will Tagel, also been on this podcast. He spoke about climbing. He grew up in the northern panhandle out of Texas. And then he played in the state championship basketball game in Austin.

But it was like in the 60s, I think. It took him until 1966 to get air conditioning. So like fathom that. There were tons of people living here. That's wild. And all the way until 1966, you did not have air conditioning. Think of how brutal the summers would be like fucking absolutely tormenting. You know, like you're almost, it's almost like I might take shit for using this comparison,

but it is almost like Aboriginal living where like you, you're fucking, you, you can't sleep at night. You better sleep during the day when it's cool because at nighttime it's too fun or at at nighttime that's the only time you can actually do shit daytime it's too hot too hot to do anything you know like that's that's how it was here until 1966 think about but he said he said all of downtown austin uh congress all the way up to the congressional building was a dirt road wow single dirt road right that was all of. There's no sixth street or these other things. It was just a strip of dirt. And, um, and the college, you know, you, uh, UT Austin and some

other, other little things around here, you know, buildings, whatever, maybe Cavendish boot city was around, but you know, I imagine at a certain point, everyone used that spring for their own water. And then recently, you know, it's just Austin's had a growth rate akin to the Bay Area in many ways, you know, which is great for homeowners, but it's also, you know, it's changing the dynamics quite a bit here to the state as a whole. Yeah. And you know, what you said is so true back in the day, it's like, you would have to find a spring or like all the cities were mostly created around springs. Cause where else are you going to get your water from? Right. Um, but yeah, what's cool, you know, with, with find a spring is everyone can contribute to, um, just even if you're, um, even if you're traveling, you know, you can, you can find a spring on there and, um, it's, it's cool. It's like a fun way to like connect with the land, like the local land, just fill up, check it out. Um, you know, you can clean up trash. Um, and then

yeah, we have some exciting ambitions to just protect springs, um, cold springs and hot springs. Like, um, you know, the, that feeling you get after you go to a good hot spring, like they really are these, these sacred, like healing, um, places. So yeah, we're excited to, to work on protecting those. And, um, pretty soon we're going to start doing like some, um, school field trips for inner city kids. Um, because, you know, that's what it takes to, to really protect the environment. I've come to find out like the beautiful thing about hunters, right? It's like, most people don't realize that we're the ones that actually provide the most dollars for conservation because we care about that resource so much. And we understand like, oh, yeah, we need to protect these natural mountains and hills and valleys and whatever it may be because it has these resources that feed our family.

And I think that's I'm excited to see that with springs as well, because there are so many springs, beautiful springs that have just been neglected. And yeah, people don't really, like really realize the value there. So I'm excited to, to see that continue to, to increase people really utilizing these invaluable resources. Working with the Springs, what have you seen in terms of the big water companies coming in and trying to take over? I've heard a lot about water rights being taken away from people in different places and suburbs and places growing up. Obviously, you know, the bigger the city you're in, they have every excuse in the book on why you can't collect your own rainwater or dig a well or do any of these things, you

know, which is, you know, fishy at the very least to me. But what have you come up against in finding these springs and protecting them in terms of from corporate interests coming in and trying to take over and buy out a bunch of people that don't really know what they have on their hands yeah so it is really interesting when you look at what's what's happening when these huge um bottled water uh companies come in um and just pump as fast and as much as they can. You know, that's one thing that we really focus on with my company, Alive Waters, is taking like less than 1% total output because there is a hydrological cycle and there is like a downstream that's important to protect. And also too, you know, utilizing a spring,

like there's something really beautiful about that. It's like the earth is kind of just like in this constant offering. It's just gushing out. It's not like we're like pumping it out like as fast as we want, however we think is like enough. And what's really wild is, um, I've, I've seen on some,

uh, documentaries or I forget which ones, but there's, there's quite a few. Um, and what happens a lot of times is when they're pumping the, um, the water so quickly is like springs and streams in the local areas will actually start to dry up. So, I mean, it's just so important that we reclaim our water in this way and really think about where is our water coming from and really honoring it too in that way. So, yeah, there's definitely a big, probably the biggest water company is called Primo Water, and they're just starting to buy up everything. They bought Mountain Valley a few years ago, which I know a lot of people

are familiar with, spring water and glass. The green bottle. Yeah. Y'all have seen it. Yeah. Which, um, yeah, it's, it's decent. Um, you know, I think it's got very high calcium. Um, and I've heard, uh, recently like the customer support is just like pretty much non-existent, um, which is important, you know, you want to, you want to have, uh, be able to, to, to get water when you need it and like have like friendly customer support and like another thing that we really put an emphasis on. So, yeah, man, I think, um, I think it's, there's definitely kind of a battle, you know, there, there are these, these people that, um, that wanna, um, wanna own all the water, uh, in a way. And, um, yeah, I think, uh, I think more people are probably going to start doing what we're doing and, and, uh, just getting like real spring, fresh spring water and reusable glass. And like, I would love to see it, you know? Yeah, absolutely, brother. Is there anything else that you're tracking? What do you got coming up?

You got any hunts or anything fun? Um, you know, spearfishing is like kind of my thing. Um, I just, uh, got a, uh, catamaran sailboat. Um, so I'm super excited about that. Just going to spend, be spending lots of time on the boat, um, deepening my practice with that. Um, do you free dive when you do it? Yeah. So all free diving. Um, I actually got my scuba certification, uh, when I was pretty young and, uh, I moved out to Hawaii, you know, like I bought like all the scuba gear and then i learned to free dive and i never used it once because like when you free dive it's just so much more um it's more liberating because you don't need to like you can you know dive for two three hours straight if you want no tank um the other thing that's cool is you can go down as fast as you want

and come up as fast as you want, which is different than scuba. You don't have to worry about like all this equipment failing or like having to go get it filled. And it's just, it's a really like interesting, it's kind of like breath work mixed with meditation, mixed with like mindfulness. Like when you're down there, you know, like, uh, like 50 feet, a hundred feet. Um, it's like, there's a practice of like calming yourself down. Like it's okay. You don't, you don't need to breathe, like just relax. Um, so it's, it's such a beautiful practice that I

always just find so activating. It seems like fucking torture. Like when I think about being, if I was down that deep, man, I've, I've gone, I've gone scuba to 50 feet, but like thinking of, um, you know, being at a depth like that and the mind fuck of it. Cause I remember doing some underwater training, which is mostly CO2 retention, similar things, but with Gabby and Gabby recently learned Hamilton, you know, in their backyard and in the pool. And you're,

you're doing farmer's walks and shit like that. And it's not super heavy, but it's heavy enough, you know, to keep you down there. And you're going back. That's just holding a rock. You're holding,

holding dumbbells or whatever, just walking them down. And there's a ton of different exercises they have. They have like an awesome program that they're running there with really cool people. But there is a point of panic, you know? Oh, yeah. If I exert more effort, I burn through it quicker.

If I panic, I burn through it quicker. If I have to find the zero state or else I fail and I just got to drop the weight and swim back up and gasp for air, you know what I'm saying? Training your mind and body. It's all of it at once, but yeah, that's, that's a unique pressure cooker that you put yourself in, you know, imagine that's pretty good at dialing you in with the day to day, you know, the extension beyond, you know, when you're outside of the ocean, I'm sure is, is a big transfer. Yeah, it helps man. And you know, the other thing is too, I don't want to like, um, make it like seem like it's, uh, to spearfish, you have to go down to

like 50 to a hundred feet. Like, you know, most corals are like 10, 20 feet. So it's a great way to start, you know, that's, and I still enjoy doing that every once in a while, just hanging out in the coral, seeing eels and manta rays and all that stuff. Yeah, I've done a lot of great fishing, even 10, 20 feet. That's awesome, brother. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, we did a hunt in Molokai with Mark Healy, who is big into spearfishing. Oh, man, I haven't been to Molokai yet. He's a dope dude.

On the final day. It was Axis deer? Yeah, on the final day I was the only guy who hadn't got an Axis. So everyone was going to go with Mark to do spearfishing and I was like, Mark, I'm sorry. He was a guide for me most of the trip. And I was like, I got to stay and try to get an Axis. Still didn't get one, but

it's funny because it was like, if I get an Axis it'll be worth it. If I don't get an Axis, I'm going to regret not going spearfishing with Mark Healy. Because he's such, you know, it's like fucking Steph Curry wants to teach me how to shoot a basketball. Like, yeah, I should probably do that. Nah, I'm going to go try for this animal I haven't been able to be lucky with. You're welcome in Hawaii anytime. Come out with me. Yeah, hell yeah.

Have you gotten an axe this year yet? No. I've been thinking about planning a trip. That was all bow, and I had a lot more time on my hands to practice. I mean, you know, with anything, the expertise that's required to have a clean kill is paramount, right? And I learned that the hard way the second boar i shot was uh uh through the ribs of a female at 40 yards who had her cubs

and she squealed like to the i mean i had to sprint full-on sprint pin her and crash her throat and i was like that's like a barbaric way to kill something yeah i never want to experience that again you know that sound will never those hogs are tough man i've only shot one pig in hawaii with a 30-06 through the through the ribs i thought it was down and like it was down it like rolled on its back and it was like squealing and like i was like it was nighttime and like i was trying to like get a better headshot i was like moving around to get the headaling and like I was like it was nighttime and like I was trying to like get a better headshot I was like moving around to get the headshot and like it was like rolling around for like 30 or 45 seconds and then or maybe not that long it's hard to judge time when you're in

those it's like being in an earthquake yeah yeah um and it gets up and it just like charged down the hill and I never found it. So I totally know what you mean. I realized I'm like, all right, I'm taking headshots with rifle from now on. But yeah, something like when you're using bow and arrow, you definitely want to make sure you've got a very sharp, good broadhead. And yeah, well practiced. Yeah, well practiced with it at multiple uh multiple ranges so i know where i'm within my capabilities what do you what do you find the um like for you what is the the benefit of of um archery hunting over rifle well the thing i like

i mean i like them both i have um i've still been hunting rifle primarily since that that uh axis hunt a couple years ago we have i just got uh out of state tags for colorado elk hunt in january this will be my second elk hunt nice and um that first elk hunt i didn't see an elk i saw the ass of one elk on the sixth day, our last day, which was Thanksgiving. I'm sure you still had so much fun. It was gone. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was, it was, but it's, it's kind of like, you know, the, the free diving, it's all the things, you know, like there's a 20 mile hike we do in one day and you just beat to shit. Haven't seen anything motherfucker. And then, all right, fine. Calm down. And then, you know, periods of just

total bliss and meditation, waiting, listening. And, um, it was a calm down. And then, you know, periods of just total bliss and meditation, waiting, listening. And, um, it was a great experience and it also taught me the patience necessary to hunt. But, um, yeah, this, this next elk hunt will be really cool. Cause, uh, I got a 300 wind mag that's really good and tuned up and, um, really accurate with that. And we'll be going to a new place I've never hunted before and i've heard colorado elk are phenomenal um but yeah i'm thinking it'll be you know i want at least two solid months of consistent training with the bow before i head back out to hawaii to answer your question i love the fact that when you're with the bow you have to get close you know like there's no yeah i can take it at 200 you know it's like no no, yeah, I can take it at 200. You know, it's like, no, no, no, you have to get it.

I got some buddies that are highly skilled. One guy shot four doe axis on that same hunt in Malachi at 80 yards. Wow. Four of them. And he was so far away that he just picked them off one by one. They didn't run off. That's impressive. So that was, he's, you know, he's a legend.

But I mean, for me, if I'm not at 40 yards, you know he's a legend but i mean for me if i'm not at 40 yards you know anything 50 and up i'm out that makes sense it's more of like a skill and a challenge yeah the spot and stalk the the quiet approach you know scaring them off and then refinding them you know like that kind of thing is especially you know you get so excited when you see yeah your heart's just pumping we're at 50 all right i need another 10 know, you get so excited when you see them. Yeah, your heart's just pumping. You're like, oh, shit, we're at 50? All right, I need another 10 yards. And you get in there, you get like seven yards further, and you're like, all right, I'm cool.

And then one doe spots you, and they start triangulating with their call, and you're like, no, no, no, and they fucking peace out. So I definitely, I love that approach with it. And it is harder, you know. I think that's another thing that makes it cool is that it is harder, you know, I think that's another thing that, that makes it cool is that it's, it's not, um, there, you know, there's no guarantees in any style of hunting, but, um, if I see something at 200 yards with 300 wind mag, it's like, it's fucking mine. There's no two ways about it, you know, where there's no gas, you know,

whereas like if I'm at 40, I got a pretty good chance with the bow, but it's not guaranteed. Right. Yeah, you got to even be more present and just really be in the moment, calm down. Yeah, brother. Yeah, super centered. That's awesome. Well, I'll certainly let you know if I'm heading out your direction. I hope you have a blast while you're in town in Austin with Luke and the boys. Yeah.

And I love what you're doing, brother. I mean, the live water has, that was one thing that was pretty universal, you know? It was just like, you're a new water company, something like that we hadn't heard of, some close friends that know their shit, like Luke's story is talking a lot about it. And I was like, I'll give it a shot.

And we had it at the event, though. At Fiverr Service, we had 150 people that were all saying the same thing. They're like, this fucking water is incredible. And we're like, damn, yes, I thought that was only me thinking this. Like everybody was hyped on it. Nice. And that's a super cool thing to know that we have that at our events and that we have that at our home.

Yeah, I appreciate the way y'all have supported us with getting it out there like that. And, yeah, I think you can really start to tell the difference when you have really good water. It, how you feel, how it tastes. And, you know, the pretty glass also helps as well, you know, having a good aesthetic. Absolutely, brother. Well, where can people find you online? Where can people find the companies that you work with?

And where can people stay in contact with you? Cool. So, yeah, alivewaters.com is the water website. Findaspring.com is the nonprofit place you can find all the publicly posted cold and hot springs. You know, we encourage people to put water tests on there for their community, clean up trash when you go. And my personal Instagram is GaiaGuardian. And yeah, that's all the places. Fuck yeah, brother.

Thank you so much, Chris. Yeah, my pleasure. Thank you. you