Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #264 Mark Effinger w/ Nootopia

Episode Date: August 3, 2022

I’ve been balls deep in nootropics and optimization for a minute now. Mark Effinger and company are doing some of the dopest, most customizable work in the field. Mark does an intimate dive into his background of losing his wife, psychedelics, and the cool shit they’re doing at Nootopia. Tune in and enjoy yall!   PS -  Head over to nootopia.com/kingsbugenius and have the code “KINGSBU10” automatically applied to your checkout! (also linked in Mark’s connection info)  Connect with Mark:   Website: Nootopia - nootopia.com/kingsbugenius    Instagram: @nootopiabrain  Facebook: Nootopia    Sponsor's Links: HVMN - Ketone IQ This is legit jetfuel for your brain. Whether you’re fat adapted or not, this will work. Get 10% off by heading to https://hvmn.com and use code “KKP” at checkout.  Force of Nature The homies at Roam Ranch are on board yall! Get over to https://forceofnature.com  for their incredible regeneratively raised bison and beef. Try all their newest products and enjoy. Punch in “KKP” at checkout for $15 off your first order, if you happen to see their products in the “wild”, just pick them up at the market and support responsible agriculture. Bioptimizers To get the ’Magnesium Breakthrough‘ deal exclusively for fans of the podcast, click the link below and use code word “KINGSBU” for an additional 10% off. magbreakthrough.com/kingsbu  Our Sponsor - Aura offers all-in-one digital safety for your entire household. Identity theft, fraud, and malware are just some of their offerings. Go to https://aura.com/kyle for 14 days free and up to 40% off your plan.    To Work With Kyle Kingsbury Podcast   Connect with Kyle:   Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service Academy  Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys   Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com  Zion Node: https://getzion.com/ > Enter PubKey  >PubKey: YXykqSCaSTZNMy2pZI2o6RNIN0YDtHgvarhy18dFOU25_asVcBSiu691v4zM6bkLDHtzQB2PJC4AJA7BF19HVWUi7fmQ   Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

All right, y'all, we're back. We're back in the house with Mark Effinger, also known as Mr. Newts. We have a phenomenal podcast in store for you guys. First heard about Mark's work from Ben Greenfield back in the day. He showed me this crazy capsule that had different layers of oil, powder powder would look like sand and sediment it looked like some kind of weird science project in a giant capsule and i was like what is this and he's like this is the latest and greatest nootropic on the planet and it's the first of its kind to create something specific to you i was like like, you got to be kidding me.

Like, this is something, I mean, we've all known this. If you're in the market for nootropics and you've studied health and wellness long enough, you realize everyone's neurochemistry is different. There's no one size fits all approach to diet. There's no one size fits all approach to carbohydrate management, blood sugar management, any of these things,

because everyone processes things differently. Everyone's microbiome is different for a number of reasons. I've said this many times in the past on a podcast, but you could have, you'd be the oldest of five siblings and each and every one of you will, with the same parents, will process carbohydrates differently. With the same parents, you'll manifest different diseases and you're going to have the same genetics. If you do your 23andMe, you're like, oh man, all of us have the same abnormalities. All of us have the same polymorphisms. All of us, you know, have a higher likelihood of getting type 2 diabetes, all these things.

But the manifestation of those differs because of life experience, because of environment, because of what medications you were on, because of when you got sick and what they put you on to treat that cold. All those things matter. And so with that, it makes it really hard deciphering what is the best thing for you without trying the kitchen sink, without really getting into the specifics of you and factoring in all the other things you take. I've had a lot of doctor's office visits where they're like, tell me every supplement you're on. And I'm like, fuck this. I take D3 and fish oil.

There, I put something down. I'm not going to waste my time writing every single thing possible. And with these guys, I realized like, oh shit, they want to know everything I'm taking. And they're going to change what the ingredients and structures are of the products they're actually sending me. And then allow me to start to play and report back. And then from there, continue to change and modulate what I'm taking to give me the best possible experience. That's remarkable. That's novel. That's something very cool. And so I wanted to get Mark on the show to really talk about that. I had been spending the last two months being my own guinea pig again for the first time in years and loved the results. And we really dove into Mark's

story, which is a powerful story. He lost his wife to suicide, similar to Wim Hof, with kids. And he talks about that and really being a catalyst for him to want to solve opiate addiction and depression and really optimize neurochemistry. You know, really what created him. And the birth of many great people is tragedy. It is something very hard. And I was greatly, greatly appreciative of Mark opening up, talking about that. And also some really cool things, you know, like he, he, he was competing in the finals in tennis and took a heroic dose of psilocybin in the finals. I was like, this is

fucking awesome for the fighters doing this. I think there's the, the pitcher from the 1970s who took a high dose of acid, not realizing he was going to pitch that game or that day and pitched a no hitter. Really cool shit like that. So I'm fascinated by stories like this. It was a great, great podcast. I know you guys are going to dig this one. We will link in the show notes

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I got to tell this story. I met a woman who looked like she had aged for various reasons and had was missing some teeth. And you never know who you're going to meet at events like this. We had people from all walks of life, men, women, young people, hot people, old people, people who looked like they had recovered from something rough and tragic. And this woman read my mind. She just looks at me and she's like, yeah,

I was addicted to meth for 20 fucking years. And I'm just stunned. Couldn't say a fucking word. Just jaw wide open like, uh. And she goes, I listened to't say a fucking word, just jaw wide open, like, uh, and she goes, I listened to you and Aubrey talking about ayahuasca. I had hit rock bottom for the umpteenth time. And I said, fuck it, I'm going to try it. And she said that healed her meth addiction and saved her life. And I was like, whoa, like just fucking welled up again, speechless. So I don't know, you know, without you guys writing it or telling me face to face, I don't

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ado, Mark Evinger, Mr. Newts, welcome to the podcast. All right. Unfortunately, we've got 50 minutes to crush this. All right. I normally don't like rushed podcasts, but this show is definitely around somewhere in between 45 to 90 minutes. And occasionally, it's pretty rare

that it's 45 minutes because one sucks. It's most of the time 45 minutes because I've got a stacked day. Yeah, yeah. All right, we'll make it work. Plus, I got some cool shit

to show you. Fuck yeah. Well, listen, I've been wanting to have this podcast for some time. A long, maybe not a long time ago,

maybe it was a couple years ago. Yeah. Ben Greenfield came to town and he brought tubes like this for the listeners that are watching. I know there's very few of you watching. These little plastic tubes look like test tubes and they were full of powders or capsules. And I was like, oh, what's this stuff? I think we're at my buddy Cal's house. And he was like, this is the's this stuff? I think we're at my buddy Cal's house, and he was like,

this is the greatest nootropic line ever assembled. It's meant to be experimented with and guinea pigged, and then you can find your perfect stack because everyone's neurochemistry is different. That's right. I was like, finally, someone fucking acknowledges that. There's no one-size-fits-all approach to neurochemistry. God, no.

God, no. And that was it. Customization became the key. I did 3,000 tests before I got the first product out. And I was trying to fit everything in a cap, in a capsule, but I couldn't get it in a cap, right? At the right levels.

And so test tube. And the test tube came from, very short story, but I started my first company in 1985, sold it in 86. And I funded it by making test tube babies. Yeah, no shit. And it was a blast. It was, you know, because I saw the front cover of Life Magazine. There was a magazine back when I was a kid called Life Magazine. I was in the Air Force

and I knew that if it made the front cover of Life, it was going to go to people and time and right and all that over about a six month period. So I just made a front cover of life, it was going to go to people and time and right and all that over about a six-month period. So I just made a bunch of those up, put them on check stands and little mini-marts in Central California where I was stationed. That was it, man. And I sold enough of them to buy a laser

because I wanted to start a laser technology company. And yeah, and do some other funding stuff. So it was great. That's awesome. Well, let's rewind. You were in the Air Force. Let's talk about life growing up. Like What pulled you in the direction of human optimization, nootropics, limitless, if you want to call it that. I mean, that's really what limitless was

about. Right, right. Yeah. Thank you, Bradley Cooper. We owe you. Big time, brother. Hey, put it on the map. There is a pill you can take that'll change the way you think, feel, and operate. Well, and when... So I was doing this from 2008 to, uh, to, I started the, the formulating in 2008, my wife had died of an oxycodone intentional overdose. And so, um, oxycodone and methadone and alcohol all at once, right? Bad mix. Um, and, uh, and so anyhow, so I, so I was pissed and, um, and so I moved up to a little tiny town in Northern Washington and I just spent four years formulating. And then I made a one molecular change to these formula and it was the bing, took off.

I had a bunch of really smart customers who were in my, I had a software company doing brainstorming and innovation software. I had about 400,000 customers. So I would send a group of those people test tubes of people test tubes of blank test tubes of shitty tasting powder. So dude, try this, see if it makes you any better.

And it was great. And so anyhow, they came back in the summer of 2011. And I said, because I finally figured it out, right? And I said, what do I call this? And they said, and the customization was a key, right? Was I sent them powder and then they filled out a form and said, I'm this weight, I'm this age, I'm this sex. I'm, you know, these are my biggest problems. These are my biggest, here's my eating habits, my exercise habits, right? All that stuff. Here's the meds I'm on, here's the vitamins I take or the nutritional supplements I take. And then that gave me this, this aha moment of one size doesn't fit all.

And because I was getting about a 30 to 42% success rate on just the straight powder stuff. But when I started customizing, I got into the 92 to 97% success rate. It was a huge, right? That's a quantum difference. Yeah. And so that's where things really took off.

So that was the first thing I noticed. My assistant who does my emails and everything for me, he hit me up anytime there's something that needs my attention and he can't just fudge as me. These guys at Nootopia want to know everything you're taking. And my knee-jerk reaction is, fuck that. Like if I go to the doctor or something, I'm like, I don't take anything. I take D3, put D3 down.

Or omega-3 fish oil, something like that. And the second I was like, oh wait, Nootopia. And I was like, oh, these are the Nootropics guys. And I was like, that's actually really smart. We should probably sit down and do this. And so, you know, it took a little chunk of time, but it was well worth it, you know? And I was like, this is the first time I was actually honest about everything I'm taking, you know? I was like, oh wait, wait.

Oh yeah. I microdose Cialis daily for performance enhancement reasons. And I was like, I really had to take inventory. And I was like, this is brilliant. And it's very different from anything else that's going on. Dude, thank you, I think. Yeah, absolutely. No, it's 100% necessary to even take a stab at that.

It was the knowledge. You know, do the hardest thing, right? Like do the hard shit, you know, as a fighter, right? Yeah, no doubt. The guys that are sitting behind you, the guys that never make it into the ring are the guys that didn't do the hard shit. And so it was the most complex thing I could do

to affect the biggest change in the world that I wanted to make, right? Which was, how do I get people to look at performance as an alternative to just killing themselves with alcohol and drugs? That's the deal. And so that's how that kind of came about. And the cool thing was,

is if I wasn't taking somebody that was down in the gutter and trying to pull them up to normal, right? I could take somebody that's normal or maybe even performance-oriented and help them become a rock star. So, and we even built a scale for it called Sick to Superhuman, right? It's super cool.

Yeah. So you had sick, right? Which a lot of people have, like even yourself, right? So you do microdose stialis for cardiovascular and PDE5 enhancement, right? So you do that. That's an indicator that maybe one of two things. Either you've got a cardiovascular issue youE5 enhancement, right? So you do that, that's an indicator that maybe

one of two things, either you've got a cardiovascular issue you want to overcome, or you just want to be a performance guy. I would assume that you're a performance guy, right? So that's right. But everybody has kind of an Achilles heel. And so beating that Achilles heel is that like recognizing where you suck, you know, physiologically, neurologically. I'm ADHD. So, you know, I'm inherently ADHD because of a med that I took when, you know, in my 20s. I was a white rat in the military for a thing called Accutane, which just sucks. Oh, fuck, yeah.

My buddy was on that when we were young. Yeah, not good. No good. So that's the sick, right? Then you get suboptimal. Most people are operating at suboptimal. They don't know it. They think that they're operating at good. No good. So that's the sick, right? Then you get suboptimal. Most people are operating at suboptimal. They don't know it. They think that they're operating at optimal.

No. It becomes the new norm, right? Right, yeah. You just have frog boiling. Yeah, you're there. Yeah, yeah. You just suddenly, you know, you go, I'm not waking up as clean as I used to.

I'm not going to bed as well as I used to. I'm watching YouTube videos till 2 a.m., you know, that kind of shit. And so that's a problem. People don't know it because they've been cooking themselves because they don't have life mission or purpose or passion or whatever. But then you get to optimal and people go, oh shit, optimal feels pretty damn good. It feels like when you're eight years old and you, you know, you, you jump out of bed and you

grab your bike and you head on out with your buddies. Right. And so that's pretty good. But then there's super optimal, which some people like yourself, right? You live in that optimal to super optimal space. And then when necessary, or when it sounds like it's fun, you go, I'm going to go superhuman. And so the tools to go superhuman are the kind of things that we create. And it's not, and they, you know, the, the, the things that get you from sick to suboptimal to optimal, right? The super optimal to superhuman, but it's really superhuman. But it's important to understand that it's not a instantaneous path.

You don't take the clear pill. You don't go and run the half marathon. You don't clean your apartment and turn it into the ultimate writing room. And you don't write the novel and become the senator, right? It's not Bradley Cooper's. It's a great model of what we can do,

but most people give up on the first or second stage because they don't know how to manage their biochemistry or their neurology or their, you know, they don't even know how to fucking write, excuse my language. No, we curse on this show. That's good, all right. They don't know how to fucking manage their dreams,

hopes, desires, passions. They don't even know what they are. their dreams hopes desires passions they don't even know what they are how many times you walked in you know you walk into a store any store and you're at the counter and you're looking at the person across and going you could be so much more right they just don't know it they don't know how to write down they've never read napoleon hill they've never right thought about oh shit maybe i maybe I should actually quantify my dreams or my passions. I really don't even think that anymore, honestly. And it's a sad thing to not think that anymore, to see the potential in everyone. Because I've trained enough people over time, especially when I was fighting in the UFC, I made Dodge kit money, lived in my mom's detached

garage with my wife for five years. Nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Had two different jobs. One was a personal trainer. One was a manager, bouncer, bartender at a strip club, which paid the bills. That's what paid the bills year round. But training people, it was, you know, it would take two to three months to really see if why someone was there. If it wasn't for themselves, it was because of somebody else, right? My wife needs me to lose weight.

The doctor says I'm going to die if I don't lose weight. Only if it was for themselves and they truly wanted the change, would I see change, right? So like- Like that or death. Yeah, like there's one of my favorite fights. My first fight of the night victory, my coach who was a medicine man and got me into plant medicines, a Mayan elder boxing coach. Nice.

Five feet, nothing for this little tiny guy. He was yelling at me in between rounds. How bad you want it? How bad you want it? And then Rogan, Rogan hears him and he fucking, he starts imitating him,

you know, how bad you want it? How bad you want it? That's it. That's it right there. Right. It's such a hokey thing, you know,

and even for him to say that to me, but I know exactly what the fuck he was saying. Yeah. It saying. It's going to come down to who wants it more. And that's just it. So in all the transformational game, how bad do you want it? That's it. And if you don't want it, that's fine, but you're not going to see a damn result if you don't want it. So really, when I look at someone's potential, it's predicated upon them wanting that shift. If they want the shift and it's genuine and they've spent enough time in what Paul calls the pain teacher.

Oh, Paul, yeah. I fucking had it. I need to change. Yeah. Then I know someone can make strides, you know? But you have to have that pain point. You have to have that desire and you have to convert it into action.

Yeah. And that's the other side of it, right? Like what are the action steps or how do I do that? When I, when I entered the air force, uh, I was 19 years old and I had three goals. One was to learn how to juggle. One was to learn how to play guitar and sing. And one was to save enough money to start a real company. And so, and I of those. And I didn't realize it until like maybe 24 months into it, but I had already done the first two. And I was a six-year enlistee, right? And I saved $32,000.

And if you know what you made in the military in the 80s in the Air Force, like saving $32,000 was quite an achievement. Like all my buddies were re-enlisting for a $4,000 bonus spread across six years, right? Damn. Yeah, right, right? That sounds like UFC pay. Exactly. Oh God, it sucked. It sucked. It's so bad. But that's the thing. I lived in the back of a health club. I was a bodybuilder back then. I lived in the back of a health club because it was free, I traded out,

I made these laser displays that give you a laser light show in your living room. I traded out a laser display to the health club and I cleaned the health club in the morning and the evening, right? And I woke up every morning to girls doing aerobics to Michael Jackson's Man in the Mirror, right? And right next to my-

That's not a bad start to your day though. Dude, it was great. That's a good morning routine. Do you remember when they wore the thong outside? Yeah, and the high scr, though. Dude, it was great. That's a good morning routine. Do you remember when they wore the thong outside? Yeah, and the high scrunchies. That's it, man. That's a good look. It was awesome.

So I would take a slow stroll through the aerobics room, take a piss, and get started, and then close it down at night and clean it up. And it was great. But no windows. One of those big space heaters, the kind with a turbo fan on it. So whenever it came on to try to heat up my little garage, it went, right. And I lived in a futon

above the inventory, the technology inventory I needed to make my products. And I dreamed about lasers every night and I made lasers during the day. And that's the same thing when I started this, you know, you see your, your wife die, you go, fuck it. I'm going to go fix this. And you go, and I'm literally taking over the house with these experiments. Like my kids are going, what the hell's going on, dad? You know, you got tubes all over the place. You got beakers, you got powders, you go, what's going on? And you know, I'm going, I'm going to fix this problem. I'm going to fix this problem. And you obsess over it. And I don't think, I think obsession is success. If you don't have obsession yeah you know mediocrity or you get lucky right i mean timing is pretty critical right those those

luck does improve though with preparation absolutely yeah yeah yeah you create fucking luck yeah and i think that's really important you know it's it's funny because i i got this for you man so this is a new it this is our newest packaging for this. This is the Focus Savagery because you are the man. But that's a state change product, right? And it's all about state change. When you're at home with your kid, you're in a certain state, right?

Maybe it's a GABA serotonin dominant state right love and tenderness and care and right with the same thing with also with the with your like you're like empowering them with ambition you know at a certain point right you're going you know i can't wait till you're a rock star i can't wait till you're you know whatever you're going to do whatever they're going to be um but it's really important to be under be able to understand that we have the opportunity and the tools to be able to program state, right? Whatever state you are. When you were about to hit the mat or when you were doing your face off, right? State one, state two, and then when you kill them, state three. True? Yeah, no doubt. Yeah. Yeah. There's different layers to that too you know right

right yeah even tim kennedy who fought in the ufc for years and was much better at fighting than i was also green beret and uh army ranger oh shit you know awesome dude yeah and um he he runs sheep dog response right now i'm gearing up to head to level two at the end of august my wife is going to do the first first level training wow um protectorector level one. And it's such an awesome course. It's five hours on the mat doing combatos, five hours at the range shooting for two days straight with a three-hour orientation to open up. Really cool. One of the things he talks about in the orientation, and you know this from your military experiences, your color code of white is when you're asleep. Yep. That's the only time you should be in white when you're completely relaxed and you're not looking for anything.

Yep. Yellow is you're observant. You're looking around. You're assessing the situation. Red is you're engaged in the situation. Absolutely. So you have found there's somebody here that's a problem. You have your eyes on the problem,

and you're determining how to best go about the problem. Yep. Right? He's like, in waking consciousness, when you're out of your bed, even in your house, you're operating in yellow. It doesn't mean you're engaged in a threat. Doesn't mean you're panicked,

but you're looking for fucking shit. But you're observational. Yeah. You're completely aware of your surroundings at all times when you're not in your bed. And I think of those, that fundamentally changes the way that I operate in the world,

having that, those guidelines of how to operate. And it doesn't mean i'm walking around in fear or like who's who's coming who's right right right gun where's the villain it's just being aware it's expanding that awareness and knowing that i'm not just fucking buried in my phone at the stoplight i'm not just hanging out la-di-da everything's perfect hunkydory. That's not the world we live in. But yeah, having a set of that and then knowing there are things we can do to shift that neurochemistry so we're not walking around in white. Right. Either through our own volition or just because we're so fucking tired and we've been doing

the same thing for so long that the rut effectively has us in level white. Yeah, that's so good. The rut, right? Mm-hmm. As an athlete, one of the other things is understanding, like being really cognizant of how I feel. Like, where's my head at today? What do I think?

Am I operating really clear? Am I operating a little bit of a fog? Am I creative today? Am I super focused? Am I pissed, right? Or am I really happy? What are those states? And then is that the state that I want to amplify or is is that a State that I need to, you know, to mitigate in order to be operating? Like

I, I, when, when I was younger, uh, I owned tech companies typically. And, uh, whenever I took Adderall about twice a month, I would take Adderall and my employees would come in and they go, they go, Oh shit, you're on the asshole drug, aren't you? Right. You know, we're getting out of your way. Cause I was so laser focused for this, you know, this 12 hour period of time or whatever. That's how I felt on modafinil. It was like, it increased productivity and my ability to center, but it came at the cost of compassion. Right. You know, like if you're not on fucking board, get out of my way, that kind of feeling, you know, it was ruthless. It is. It's a pretty brutal way to live. And the other side, I couldn't write the checks

for the sleep deprivation that it gave me, I'm going to have to know. Yeah. So I needed to control things in more of an eight to 16 hour period, not a 72 hour half-life type of thing. Yeah, that's a long window. Super critical.

So yeah. So when you were, we talked a little bit before this, we talked a little bit about state change via microdosing and some of those other things. So what have your experience, give me an experience that you've had that was transformational on, you know, with an experience with something like psychedelics. Yeah, I mean, I've had deep, many, many deep journeys, probably somewhere in the hundreds, not thousands, but somewhere in the hundreds for deep journeys with ayahuasca, psilocybin, LSD, one really big Iboga journey, but I've been microdosing with that lately and it's phenomenal. As a microdose? using psilocybin, LSD. LSD for the longest time was my favorite micro because it was like instant energy.

Yeah. And it got almost to the point where I was like, if I couldn't, ooh, I couldn't sit still, I got to stretch, I got to do yoga, I got to dance for a little bit. All right, now I can sit down and knock out some emails, those kinds of things. Right.

And psilocybin, conversely, on a microdose, sometimes I could come into work and get stuff done. And other times it was like, no, bitch, go sit underneath this work and, and get stuff done. And other times it was like, no bitch, go sit underneath this tree and meditate because that's what you've been missing. And this is what your priority is. Right. Yeah. And it wasn't wrong of that medicine to tell me, slow down, listen to your body, relax into this day. Um, but it also didn't give me as much power over what I wanted to do that day. Right. And I think Iboga is a happy medium between the two where I have increased energy, but I can meditate. I could nap, can do whatever I want

on that. But it's not driving me towards sitting and it's not driving me towards doing, you know. Does it influence energy levels at all? Yeah, it does pick up energy. And it's actually, you know, I'd read this years ago, but when the French invaded West Africa, and remember, there's all the wrong shit with colonization and there's some benefits in hindsight that happens. When they invaded West Africa, they saw that everyone was on this tree bark and that it was a medicine, you know, and it was the premier medicine of all the plant medicines in West Africa. So a lot of the scientists brought it back to France and in Paris, they started microdosing

with it. And what they found was it was one of the only plants they had ever seen that increased dopamine receptors. You know, we know studying with all of Amber Lyon's work and a lot of the scientists that have been going to the Amazon that ayahuasca will create new serotonin and more serotonin receptors. Iboga is actually creating more dopamine receptors, which is a phenomenal thing. Oh, yeah, yeah. Especially considering that most drugs delete and get rid of dopamine receptors in the body, which requires then more medicine to get the same feel. Well, that's why you see Molly users hiding in a corner after a big roll, right? Yeah.

Because their dopamine receptors are screwed. Their dopamine levels are totally depleted. And you got to take some time to replenish it. But even then, after you replenish it,

you're sometimes dealing with a deficit of dopamine receptors. So your motivation goes away. Your drive goes away, right? Braver man. And then the rest would go, fuck it, it's over.

Yeah. Yeah, I'd say Iboga is my favorite microdose for sure. But I've got a lot of experience. You know, we did Jim Fadiman's protocol 2014, Dr. James Fadiman went on Tim Ferriss show and he, I think it was right after he reads the psychedelic explorers guide, which focused primarily on microdosing with psilocybin and LSD. But really it was about, you know, the efficacy of LSD because it's so much easier to know what your dose is. Right.

Well, and there's no body load. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I appreciated that. He had some fantastic stuff. On the limitless application of that, like your ability to really tune in and use it in education and in learning and in test taking and things like that. Like memory recall was enhanced to the point where people, when they were answering their tests at Harvard,

not an easy school to pass or graduate from, they could see where the question and answer, the paragraph and the page number in the textbook in their mind's eye, they would recall that level of detail when taking their little multi-choice test. No, it's big. I did when I played state tennis when I was young, when I was 16. And in doing that, I did a macro dose and I got on a quarter. Still a seven.

Yes. Yeah. Quarter ounce. Seven grams. There we go. Double your standard three and a half. That's right. Seven grams. There we go. Double your standard three and a half. That's right. You lightweight. Um, and so, and I'm, and we're, uh, and I'd already won the singles and now I'm in doubles and we, uh, my, my doubles partner lofted a short ball to, uh,

to the team. It was the, the Catholic school, right? The really, really successful, you know, these guys have been training since they were four, right. I'd only been in the game for four years and, um, and they were just going to kill it. They were both six, four. They were right. And so I run to the baseline and it hits and three things happen. One, I get a song in my head that's seven, eight time signature. So it's a weird time signature, right? And I'm thinking immediately, this is instantaneous. I'm thinking, oh, they're listening to two, four, three, four, or four, four time signature songs, right? Like rock disco country, right? I'm going, I'm way ahead of them already. And then I sense where the ball's going to go. And I just swing

the racket behind me and I catch it at the end of the racket and I drive it down the line. It's a win. And they were, if they would have won that point, we would have lost everything, right? It drove it, it broke my racket. It broke the yoke on my tennis racket. And so, but I didn't care anymore. I was a, you know, I was a gear hound. So I had a racket for every kind of ball, every kind of surface, right? Whether it was serving or receiving, all those things. I was intense on this stuff. And I studied every stroke of all the pros and I, and I grooved those strokes in till I mastered them. And so all of that stuff that I had, it was thinking about my grip. Like every time I'd miss a ball, I'd go, okay, was my grip exactly this? How was the head of the ball from, you know, the head of the racket? No. And it didn't fucking matter. And I, I then did the, the improbable.

In tennis, normally on return of serve, you back off five to 10 feet from the baseline. So you have time to respond, right? Because the ball's coming at you at 110 to 140 miles an hour. So it's fast and it's bouncing and you got a lot of velocity and you got spin and everything else you got to deal with. Instead, I moved in halfway between the service box and the baseline, right? So I got no time at all. And I'm on my toes because you're hot. You got to move fast, right? So you're on your toes and you're just bouncing because you're going to have to shift your weight and you shift faster when you're bouncing. You know that as a fighter, right? So I'm on balls of my favorite hand going,

and I go, okay, I need a 24 inch punch. So I just, in real time, I started doing 24-inch punches and I punched the ball back faster than it was coming at me from the serve. And people are looking at me like, dude, this is not the way you play tennis. I don't know who taught you this, but I was so ninja on that court, I couldn't miss a ball and I was having fun. I wasn't working anymore. I was having a blast, right? And I was smiling at him. I had the song blast. Right. And it was, I was smiling at him. I had the song going in my head and it was it, everything changed because I got out of my own head, out of my own right. Executive decision-making and got into the flow, the fun, the game, the dance, all of that, you know, right. Yeah, absolutely. You know, when you're grappling

and you get right. Yeah. It's funny. I's funny. I had only heard about guys taking high dose, specifically psilocybin, but high dose anything in fighting pretty much when I retired in 2014. And so there was never an opportunity while I was doing it, even though I had been working with medicines in a ceremony. Yeah. And I had the opportunity to fight Jason Ellis, who's a friend in boxing in just an exhibition fight for one of his charities for Ellis Mania. And I was like, I'm going to micro, but I'll take a decent amount. I'll take a couple hundred milligrams of penis envy.

Nice. Just two, three eggs, you know, one of the best. And I remember warming up in the locker room and I had a couple of my buddies from the UFC, Noed Lahat, Tom Lawler there in the corner with me. It was at the Hard Rock. And I'm throwing on my 80s tunes, you know, a typical warmup like I had back in the day.

I had sparred once in like four years before that fight, once, and it was in the last three weeks or whatever leading up to it. And I just was like, yeah, I'm good. I didn't lose a step. And I fought better in that fight. And obviously Jason and I are on different levels of experience, but I fought better in that fight. And obviously Jason and I are on different levels of experience, but I fought better in that fight than I'd ever fought in my whole career because

my mind had shifted into what you're talking about. It was complete confidence. There was no monkey mind, negative chatter. Oh, you got hit. It continues. You're going to get knocked out. He took you down. Now I'm fucking losing on points. I need a knockout to win. None of that shit. Stuff I dealt with my entire fight career, which led me to meditation, breath work, and all the other visualizations. Yeah, and Paul Cech. Yeah, and Paul Cech. All the important things that changed my life. Luke getting my ass kicked helped me there. But yeah, in that moment, it was just like, damn, this is the best PED I've ever had. And by far, not even fucking close, right? But timing, the reaction and the flow,

like what you're talking about, like that bounce, like it was a dance. It was no, it was, there was nothing robotic about me in that fight. It was complete flow. And I think that's, you know, that's one of the, one of the coolest things. Like if this can put me in that position,

when someone's trying to take my head off, it'll fucking work anywhere, you know? Well, and so this was a transformational thing you had, right? In this event, I can now, whenever I step on a tennis court, I was just recently, I was stepped on a pickleball court, which is weird. Pickleball's dope though. It is, it is fun.

And with a bunch of really, really cool people and a Hollywood agent. And so we're playing pickleball for the first time for me. And one of the guys on the other side of the net was also a competitive tennis player. So we were playing doubles and stuff, right? It was great. But I literally, I walk onto a court

and that state change that I accomplished when I was 16 years old, I'm 60 now, right? When I was 16 years old, that state change came right back. So I go, okay, cool. I know exactly what to do. I know where my balance is.. So I go, okay, cool. I know exactly what to do. I know where my balance is. I know how to dance on this court. I know exactly.

It's weird, but it's really powerful. When you start rewiring like this, when you start going into state change and then being conscious of the state change, absorbing it, loving it, right? Totally engaging it and letting it do its thing, those neural pathways start grooving and you can start really, I mean it and letting it do its thing. Those neural pathways start grooving and you can start really, I mean, and then you do, you do exceptional work, whether it's this,

right? Or whether it's taking somebody down, right? That stuff suddenly becomes a part of you, an inherent part of how you operate. So you've just leveled up in a permanent way. And that's what I think is really cool and transformational. That's actually what, like, when we do, like so kids, we talked about focus savagery, right? But when you start getting into like upbeat brain flow, you do that with what you're talking about with microdose, the levels of additional and supportable serotonin and the neuropathway development,

neurogenesis, which is a critical part of neurotropics, right? Is how do we create blooms of new neurons? And then what are we doing while we're in that state? What are we doing to reprogram the brain to be able to make that a recallable event and to be able to operate in that state on demand? So it's not just a take the drug, get the effect. It's take the drug, get the effect, be conscious of it, right? Or when I say drug, what I mean is the supplement, right? Caffeine is a fucking drug. I mean- Right. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, okay, cool. It creates a physiological change where you're like, oh, I feel this. That's for sure a drug.

Even stuff you don't feel is a drug. So- Right, right. Okay, okay, cool. We're glad we're on the same page. But it's really important. And then, but I think awareness, like self-awareness, I think is so important. And most people don't have it. They lose it really early. And they are suddenly playing to everybody else.

You know what I mean? Like they're suddenly not playing their game. They're not playing to win. They're playing to win them over or they're playing to do all the things outside of themselves. Think of a high school dance. Oh my God. Who's out there dancing for themselves

because the music is moving them versus, oh, what does she think now? Oh, she doesn't like me. Oh, was that a move? Yeah. Damn it, I've been here too long. It was so funny. In seventh grade i was dancing with this this cute redhead and i'm dating this girl named chastity right now is a cute redhead as well and uh um is uh and we're dancing in stairway to heaven and there's

so many fucking stanzas in stairway to heaven by the time we're in we're kind of looking at each other going now what do we do you? This plant is finishing out the tune. It's slow dance to bang your head. Jump up and down, back to slow dance. Pretty sad stuff. That is a fun, that would be a hilarious one to dance to. Would it be? Yeah.

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Zammar juice and a Bulletproof coffee and fucking love it. Nice. That's a great combo by the way. Yeah. It's one of my favorites to be honest. And, uh, no jitters. Awesome. And I'm still dealing with a decent amount of jet lag, even though I've been home for five days, you know, they say like what it's an hour per hour of time changes a day. Where'd you, where'd you come in? We went to Vegas, but so that's two hours going back right there, which is two days. No, no big deal. Two days. I've been here longer than two days, but we were going to bed at four to 6 AM. Right. You know, and that's, and then you look at, you know, that's like going to bed at six to 8 AM here. So, and I'm normally, I'm a guy, you know, as a dad, I put my son down at eight 30 every night after reading a book and a chapter of a book, I'll give him a massage and a

scratch and a half the time he sleeps with me, but I'll throw on Audible and close my eyes and I'm asleep in 30, 45 minutes. You know, so I'm asleep by 9, 9.30 at the latest. Some nights, you know, if we have a date night with Tosh, I'll sneak down to her room and her little girl's sleeping with her. So we'll watch something together with headphones on an iPad and have some connection time.

And even then I'm in bed at 10.30. So we'll watch something together with headphones on an iPad and have some connection time. And even then I'm in bed at 1030. Right. So it was a fucking whopper to throw it back to ASU days. So I was going to ask you, so that's another state, you know, right? Like going, okay, we're partying tonight. I'm going to be, I'm going to wire myself up in that and then go down. I've got this for you.

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Let's talk about, let's talk about this new college. Oh, I'm so glad you said that. I have not, I have, this is one I haven't tried. I have a couple of my house. Thank you guys for bringing me one. Everything I've tried of yours is like next level. So I'm really excited to see what you guys have coming, whether it's sleep or the college genius, but talk about this collagen and mushrooms. Well, so this is really cool. I was making, Matt had had a radical transformative experience after he got clean, right? From doing like hardcore. This is one of the co-founders.

Matt Gallant, yeah. Of Bioptimizers. Exactly. Yep, yeah, exactly. I haven't had Matt on the podcast before. I've had Wade on. He's exceptional. I got to probably run it with one with Matt as well.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and Matt's deep. Matt is deep. He's, if I'm the chief scientist here, Matt is the other chief scientist here, right? Cool. So it's great. Yeah. And it's super good because there was a lot of, I had a lot of opportunities or other companies that wanted to acquire what I was doing. And when Matt came along, I had found a brother who both agreed with the ethics of how you run a business, Matt and Wade and Andy, who's our COO, but also had a heart for like changing lives, that impact. And so, and that made much more sense to me because I'm maybe 60, but I'm not. In fact, didn't we just do a test yesterday? Yeah. So, my neurological physiological age is 28. Damn. Right. Not bad.

Crazy. So, um, did you guys do a telomere test? What did you guys do to test that? What did we, what did we do? Do you remember what that test was? Yeah. Yeah. HRV with the, okay. Super cool. Yeah. It was really great. I gotta, I gotta see what that is. When I did a telomere test, this was years ago, right? When I first got to on it and the technology was new. So it was maybe within a year, it was within two years of running a 55K ultra a year after I retired. That fucking destroyed me. I think I was 37 when I took the test, but I had the telomere length of like a 42 or 43 year old. Those five years older. Yeah. Then at five or six years older than then. I was like, oh God, these things take a toll.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's tough. It's tough. I'm sure Goggins would be really interesting to see what his numbers are. He'd be interesting. I mean, I ran that race at 233 pounds. Wow.

I was closing in on a 600 pound deadlift working with Jesse Burdick and Mark Bell. So it was like, I was easily the most stacked dude running that distance. They called me a bodybuilder. I'm like, I'm not a fucking bodybuilder. I weigh 233 pounds at six, three. Right.

Right. But to next to all these, you know, ultra endurance guys, like, yeah, I look like fucking King Kong. Oh God.

Yeah. Yeah. That was a lot of weight. You know, Goggins, I think definitely has the frame for it, but he still is putting his body to the fucking limits. You know,

did you, did you, uh, on the, on the training for that, did you learn form or did you just go for it? No, I had to. I read Ready to Run by Dr. Kelly Sturette.

He's a good buddy. And Kelly also 6'3", 230 when he ran an ultra. So I was like, if this guy can do it, I can do it. And we've got a very similar physique, even though he's crazy mobile, way more mobile than I am. And thank God he's written his books, Becoming a Simple Leopard, all these books have helped me mobilize, helped me post-surgery, things like that, and to get back full range of motion. But yeah, Ready to Run was awesome because it had these bulletproofing exercises, starting with something simple like jump roping, really strengthening the feet and the Achilles, and then getting into depth jumps. If you can 2X your body weight and back squats,

then you can do depth jumps, right? So getting into the depth jumps and things like that. So if you can handle these super high stress whamos while you're fresh, then when you're dead tired, you're not going to roll an ankle or blow your Achilles out or blow your knee out on this run, right? And so that really did prove to be true. In my training, I had done some half marathons prior to that, never run a full marathon. And in the training, the last 10 weeks, the furthest I ran was a 10K leading up to that ultra. Wow. And it was fine.

Ketones and all the fucking goodies, right? Sure, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank God, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we got good stuff to play with um and that's i think that's part of the deal that that you and i have an advantage on like i'm 60 i you know i mean i may do an aspirin live to 150 or 180 or whatever but regardless if i live to 85 and i'm a fucking rock star at 85 and then i turn the switch

off i'm pretty happy yeah or if i live to hundred or whatever the number is, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly right. You know, I think it's funny, especially with, you know, I'm not going to fucking take it, take it in, into the dark field, but you know, with the transhuman movement, you know, this idea that you're going to live forever. It's like, uh, take some psychedelics, dude. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your consciousness is going nowhere. That part is immortal. You already won the game yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah why keep a body to 500 oh my god yeah yeah why transfer it to a machine like you're just staying in this level of the game there's multiple layers to the

game oh yeah and you know keep moving along there there is a super magic in being able to get out of it to get into that consciousness level where you're outside. And I remember observing myself under the influence and going, oh shit, there's so much more that I, you know, and what a restrictive thing I've got here, right? The body is, exactly. It's fragile and it's fucking, you know, like if you've ever hurt yourself, you know what I'm talking about.

Yeah, confined. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, yeah. We'll talk about quality. Okay, so Matt said, hey man, Lion's Mane was transformational for me and it was the first thing that restored my brain to a baseline that I can actually start operating at

after spending years drugging myself up. And so I said, cool, let me start working with extraction processes and let me start getting mushrooms from all over the world and finding out which are the best kind of those things and then putting them in caps and then potentiating them with nootropics and some other stuff, right? Everything I do is you've probably seen with

the capsules or, you know, my, the caps are not your mama's caps right there. You've got oil in there. You've got powder, you've got layers to it. Exactly. And those are custom. That's those late. The reason they're layers is that our staff who are making these for you based on your intake and feedback forms is going, okay, he needs a little more of this or a little less of this. He needs this additional element, or we need to pull this one out. And all of those are really critical to your performance, your end game. So hence the reason that they're stacked like that. So anyhow, he says this, and I'm starting to potentiate these mushrooms and stuff. Well, Chasity, who's my lab assistant, she goes, you know, these smell real chocolatey. And she's a five-star chef. So that, you know, you go, what does this smell like, right? What's my olfactory response to this? And what does this do? And so she's doing that and she's, you know, because she's trying to go, okay, here's the vendor, here's where they grow it. Here's the, you know, all the issues, right? Here's the toxicity report on it and those things for all these different.

And we're doing, you know, we're doing Chaga. We're doing Red Reishi, right? We're doing Lion's Mane and Cordyceps. And as she's doing them, as we're getting the extractions from one to one to 20 to one to 50 to one to 100 to one, as we start going down this route and then extracting with different methodologies, we start finding that they have this really, really interesting chocolatey and then almost mocha type of aroma.

And then you kind of taste test and go, oh shit, they taste like that too. So she started combining them in different ratios. As I'm making these caps, she's going, I don't know, I'm gonna make something. And she's going, and she just turned 50, right? She's going, we need collagen. We need to start doing collagen for the brain and for the body and the skin and joint and tendon health and all the rest. I said, cool, let's do it. She goes, hey, by the way, there's some micronutrients in these

mushrooms, right? Like copper and zinc in a methylated form that are really, really critical to the adoption of collagen in the body. So what if we combine the two? So she combined them. And then that kept letting, and then Matt goes, hey, I got some ideas for this. We brought some to him at Dave Asprey's event down in Florida. Oh, cool. Right? Yeah, yeah.

So I brought some, you know, it was just like a Christmas gift, right? And so here's some cool stuff. He takes it and goes, one, this is awesome. Two, I know how to make this better and so with all of those efforts together we ended up making this so here's the cool thing these mushrooms are you know they're they're um bdnf like like lion's mane brain-derived neurotrophic factor is like the predecessor to right to to getting new neuron growth so um so said, okay, what is the clinical evidence on this? And what does it say?

You go to NCBI and research studies, PubMed and the rest. You go, what's the research studies on these? And you go, oh, cool. About two and a half grams is where things really start, right? And then about three grams is where they peak. And so we started working on these things and we found that by the time we hit this 50 to one in lion's mane case or a hundred to one in the other three mushrooms, we were giving you a

pound and a half of mushrooms that encourage neurogenesis, that are adaptogen, that are micronutrient, that are every aspect of your body and anti-tumor, which is like really interesting. I was a white rat in the military for a drug called Accutane, which is really fucked. It's a really, really bad drug. It gets rid of acne at the expense of killing your liver, your bowel flora, right? Trying everything out.

Microbiome. Oh yeah, yeah. I cracked, I was in a Jesus Rock band at the time. Okay, I was in military, right? I'm 20, 23. And I was a a Jesus Rock band at the time. I was in the military, right? I'm 20, 23. And I was a crazy Jesus freak. And I'm doing Fight the Good Fight from Triumph, right?

Great tune, great 80s power trio out of Canada. And I'm singing that last part of Fight the Good Fight where I'm way up in the registrar. I'm a tenor, but I was way up in the tenor range, almost falsetto, like soprano. And as I go like this, I crack from the edge of my ear all the way down to my collarbone and start bleeding.

And of course, damn! Oh, it was great. And there's like 300 Baptist kids in the group, you know, right? And they're going, oh shit, he's singing a secular song and he's bleeding. It's God! God told him to quit it!

Yeah, I left the church shortly after. But yeah, it was great stuff. So anyhow, so we combined that and we started looking at what are the elements that make mushrooms adopt better to the body, right? So we started getting some lecithins and some fats and C8, right?

And some other aspects. So basically it became this baseline energizing, like you'll feel it like you take two or three take three scoops in eight ounces that's what i like uh with with little ice do you mix it with coffee or anything like that i'll just take it straight i get two of those with coffee in the morning cool yep it's it's great and and it's uh it's incredible actually as a mocha right and i do it cold in the afternoon you You'll feel the neurogenesis. You'll feel your brain sparkle. Okay.

And what it does is it essentially, it's kind of a super baseline OS system. And then you can put your applications on top of it. These are the applications. That's your OS. And so by doing that, you basically bring your baseline up. So you're operating much more aware without working at it. Yeah. Right. You've got a lot more

mental endurance you're actually the neurogenesis is happening all the time so now as you're reprogramming your thinking patterns right your thoughts your processes your you know the things you need to memorize or remember those are enhanced and then your course your body is just totally benefiting from it and the collagen comes in which is great for the brain as well right the grain and white white matter in the brain and body, your skin and everything else is starting to feel like butter. So yeah, it's kind of cool. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, that's funny. I've been big in collagen for some time, especially post-fighting and being bone on bone and all the other shit doctors tell me on why I shouldn't be able to walk or have pain all day long. And

I'm like, I don't have any pain. I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. There's no pain in my knees. I've had stem cells in the knees, but there's just no pain. And I think college has been a big, big help for that. It's funny because I can't stand how often I have to trim my nails and fucking shave. Isn't it funny? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. People don't talk about that.

Like I'm bald. I'd rather it just stay bald. But the fact that I got to shave like every other day, I'm like, i'm like man i mean i could shave daily i don't want to shave daily sometimes i get away with shaving every other day or every second day but the manscaping goes crazy man it works yeah it fucking works i mean i can you'll watch it work you know but yeah the having you know played football since i was 10 years old finishing at asu fighting and professionally for eight years you know it's like there's just so much wear and tear that this is like a non-negotiable part of played football since I was 10 years old, finishing at ASU, fighting professionally for eight years. There's just so much wear and tear that this is a non-negotiable part of my diet.

It's a part of Dr. Diet for sure. I think you're really going to enjoy it. Plus, it tastes really fantastic. And I don't say like, we didn't flavor it with chocolate. We have some cacao in there because we wanted to have both the notes of the cacao

and the antioxidant is like 50 times almost anything else. Yeah, it's a superfood in and of itself. It is. It is. Yeah. So it's great. And again, it has those little micronutrients that really help everything else work well. Cool. Well, one thing we, I'm sorry, we are running out of time. I did want to pick your brain on this. And I felt like the people, the folks at home should know this too, is I've always cycled off of things, you know? Yeah. And I've cycled off of things from necessity. I've cycled off of things just because it's time

or I've cycled off of things because I'm going to do ayahuasca and I got to be 100% clean. So, you know, going on dieta for Aya, it's like, all right, I'm not taking anything right now for the next eight weeks or six weeks. And that's my reset. And I'll have a month after the fact where I don't take

anything and even, you know, no coffee, right? Yeah. Yeah. Little things like that. But it's been a minute since I've been to the Amazon. And I realized at some point this year, Kratom was starting to not work for me. And I thought back and I was like, well, when's the last time I got off? I was like, well, I got off for Paul C Czech's 60th birthday, August last year. And so we're coming up pretty close to a year with no breaks. And you know- How many grams are you doing? I'm got a whopper. You know, like the typical standard dose is a teaspoon. I'm taking not a whey protein scoop, but like a, it's a scooper. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? It's like a, it's an Organifi scooper. I'll have that. I'll have an Organifi scoop, which is maybe 13 grams, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I'll have two of those before bed, sometimes three of those before bed. Which strain? I typically take the reds during the day and I'll have super speciosa at night. Super speciosa is more of the fucking blast off your high. The red is more, less heady, more body. It's great for workouts or podcasting,

whatever those kinds of things. And I noticed for the first time we were going to do a fast in January. I walked people through a five-day fasting mimic diet with my brother, Eric Godsey, who's coming in here in about 10 minutes. Nice. And we take people through that diet. We teach them a whole bunch of stuff. And I was like, I should come off for this. And I tried to come off and I started getting hot and cold flashes. Oh, shit. And I was like, well, that's an opiate withdrawal issue.

It is. Opiate receptors are saying, hey, bro, this isn't the fucking move. I was like, I can't come off. I've got to coach people while I'm fasting. Good fucking luck. Right. So I foregoed that and I reached out to Wade about it and he recommended you and I just had been too lazy to get ahold of you.

But let's talk about this because, you know, I have a Kratom sponsor. Quit being so fucking lazy, bro. I've had a Kratom sponsor on this podcast. I love it. And, you know, they're phenomenal. And I love Kratom. One of the reasons I love Kratom is I can have a euphoric effect and still go about my stuff. It doesn't make me lazy at all. It's not like cannabis. And I know that's not the case for most people with cannabis, but cannabis made me lazy. This, I still get shit done with. And from a parenting perspective, one of the things

that I told you earlier, the first time I microdosed acid, I think my son was eight weeks old. My presence with him and my calmness and my ability to parent was increased 10x at least. I was like, oh, fuck. If I could take this every day, I would, but I can't. Then Kratom came along and I was like, this is something I can take every day. How's your GI tract respond to it? I take it with probiotics and with the green juice from Organifi. Great.

And that moves everything along. I noticed without that, it gets backed up pretty damn quick. And then it's a struggle coming out. I'm creating a fiber product that Matt probably won't like me talking about. It's a fat burner. It's a very high fiber, four different organic fibers. It's a fat burner and it also is an antidepressant. I can't say antidepressant. It is a mood enhancer. There we go. Right? Hey, you got another legal dance. Thank you, man. Yeah, yeah's so it's it's fullness furnace and

feel fantastic and it's um we're calling it slenderlicious right now we'll see if that comes out this year but uh but in the kratom side so uh i developed a thing called kratom kick um a couple of years ago and um and then i made two versions of it but essentially what it does there's there's one version that potentiates the create them so you can use a much smaller dose and get a much bigger output which is great so you're right so you can titrate down on it and and get into you can get back to one to three grams a day instead of 13 to 15 or 20 or 30 because we have clients that you know they start on day one at at two or three grams and by day, they're at 30 to 45 grams. That's a quick jump. It is. But this took me 11 months. But the thing was, I never thought

nothing big about it because when I came off for Paul's, I'd probably been on, I probably hadn't missed a day, maybe one or two days in a six-month span prior to that. So when I jumped off, I had a good run. Yeah. No side effects. And I was like, oh, cool, man. I mean, no big deal then, you know, maybe that's just the extracts or some of the potentized things that people are running into issues with. And then it started to not work as well at the same dose. And I was like, well, I should come off. And then I did feel side effects trying to get off. So this will be really helpful. Mental reboot. Yeah. If you haven't taken this yet this is really really cool i i developed this to make uh one is to it's kind of the like you're auto cycling instead of having

to cycle off you just take this and it and it cleans the system up cool i there's two there's two versions there's a there's a nighttime one which is a capsule and there's a daytime one which is a sublingual you you tap it, crack it open, pour it under your tongue. Cool. Okay? So the nighttime one, the way it works is during sleep, and it sounds like you've got, you're pretty good at mastering sleep, sounds like.

During your sleep cycle, your brain shrinks slightly. When it shrinks, it opens up around the capillary, an area for the cerebral spinal fluid to flow. And then it starts pulling toxins out from the mitochondria and all the other stuff, right? The amyloid beta plaques and the rest of it. So it pulls it out, puts it into your spine and out your body. Okay. So this amplifies that effect so that you get a much cleaner neuronal palette to work with. Very cool. So that this smaller amount of Kratom will get you a greater effect.

Fuck yeah. Right? Yeah. And that's, I mean, ultimately that's the goal. I don't, I want it to still work because it's awesome. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah.

I absolutely love it. And then hit me when we're done and I'll put together the potentiator formula for you. Beautiful. Because that's really fun. When you can get back to, if you're doing three or four or five grams, six grams,

that's a manageable level that's not going to When you can get back to, if you're doing three or four or five grams, six grams, that's a manageable level that's not going to saturate the opiate receptors and get you into withdrawal symptoms if you try to go off of it or if you need to go off of it for any reason. Okay. And if you don't have time to titrate down, it's a fast way to do it.

Cool. Hell yeah. Well, dude, I consider this the first of many podcasts that we'll get on together. Can't wait. I'm so happy that you're here and I appreciate you switching to 9 a.m.

so I could jump on this IG. Dig it. Not IG, but the FFS app live. We got to run here and I'm three minutes late for it. But Mark, an absolute pleasure. Where can people find you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where can people get ahold of you?

All right, so newtopia.com, N-O-O-T-O-P-I-A.com. And I'm sure you probably got a link in there and some other stuff for your show notes. Kingsboo 10 is usually what they do, but we'll have it in the show notes with, with the, you know, the,

the code, the everything for you guys. So you don't have to worry about it. And then for the, for the college genius, it's new topia.com slash C O L L A G E N I U S college genius, right? College.

All right. Perfect brother. Thank you so much. That was awesome. Hell yeah. Thank you.