Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #269 Autumn Smith - Paleovalley

Episode Date: September 19, 2022

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Hello, everybody. We're back. We've got Autumn Smith on the podcast from Paleo Valley. Y'all have been hearing me rap about her for a very long time, and she's got a lot more than beef sticks up her sleeve. We've been talking regenerative agriculture a lot. We did before, but since I started a farm, most certainly have. And I still, I'm not sick of it yet. I hope you're not. But I do like branching out. I don't like to stay on any one topic. It's kind of like the old joke.

How do you know if someone does CrossFit, is a vegan, or born-again Christian? You've heard it 30 times in the first 30 seconds of meeting them. Something like that. So yay farming, yay regenerative, but still under the guidelines of I like novelty. I want to hear new shit. And even though we've had Daniel Griffith on and a number of other great people, Ryland Englehart from Kiss the Ground, each has brought a different piece of the equation. And what Autumn brings to the equation today is a gang of research. I mean, she's studying for a PhD right now and she's writing her dissertation

with something along the lines of to do with regenerative. I think she mentions it here in the podcast, but point being, this is the first of all regenerative talks that really breaks down the science behind your health with regards to what you put in your body. And it's fascinating. I absolutely love the conversation. Incredibly well organized. So I'll mention it here early on in the podcast that she actually wrote an outline. And I was like, what? Fuck outlines.

I don't do outlines. I think I've done it for one other person. And I looked through it. I was like, this is gold. She's got references everywhere. I was like, fuck. Yeah, this is all stuff I want to talk about. So super excited to have this podcast with Autumn. Don't think it's just going to be another boring farming conversation. If you think farming is

boring, I think it is quite possibly the single most important thing that we do on this planet to ensure the survival and safety of humanity and all beings to restore the earth itself. I think that that would be top of the list. So how we farm, obviously, not just farming in general, but anywho, this podcast is great. I love it with Autumn. Definitely we'll have her back on. She's a wizard. I never know to the degree or the depth of the person that I have on, like what they're going to bring to the table. There's many people that I've listened to on other podcasts and things like that. And I get a general feel for them.

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high-end protein in there. It's very highly bioavailable. And I know they're getting critical micronutrients that you're just not going to get in conventional food and conventional snacks and conventionally processed garbage, which the whole world is on right now. And again, I mean, we didn't talk too much about it on the podcast, but like, look at the last two and a half years. How is nobody mentioning that? How is that not mentioned? Like, hey, maybe McDonald's is not essential.

Maybe that's what's killing people. Maybe that's what's causing people to have a chronically low immune system, which opens them up and opens the door to welcome in the invasive guy that nobody wants, right? Maybe if you take care of yourself and you follow the four doctors, diet, quiet, sleep, and happiness, you're not going to run into the same issues that you would just walk your way through getting sick and be fine. I know plenty of people that did that. So anywho, check out their beefsteaks. Check out all their snacks. And they have a dope product line too, full of amazing supplements.

They have an apple cider vinegar product. They have all sorts of cool stuff that is sure to get you guys optimized and as your best self. PaleoValley.com. Discount code Kyle, K-Y-L-E, for 15% off everything in the store. It's a big discount. PaleoValley.com.L-E, for 15% off everything in the store. It's a big discount. PaleoValley.com, discount code KYLE, 15% off. And without further ado, my lady, Autumn Smith. Autumn Smith, welcome to the podcast. Thank you, Kyle. I'm so excited to be here. Well, we did something I don't normally do. We started talking beforehand.

I like to get everything on, but I just wanted to give you a quick, this is how these normally go kind of deal. You have sent me an outline for this, which I've only done a couple of times. And I read through it and I was like, this is amazing. This is fucking awesome. So I'm super pumped to talk about this. one of the things um which i just mentioned to you but have not mentioned the audience is that we've had quite i do like variety and i do like bridging out and like not continuing on one particular topic for too long so if i've had a health and wellness guy on or fitness guy i'm not going to have another fitness guy or another fitness i like to spread it out but we've been pretty deep in the regenerative space. Having started a farm, we've had Ryland Englehart on from Kiss the Ground. We went out to Daniel Griffith's spot, author of Wild Like Flowers,

and had a regenerative crash course and podcast. And in all those conversations, what we didn't cover is really the why behind meat from a health standpoint. So I was super, super pleased to see the topics that we're going to dive into today. They are absolutely critical, especially, as you mentioned, with the attack on food and the attack on meat that's going down right now and has been for some time. So we're going to debunk those narratives. And yeah, super pumped. Thank you for coming on. I absolutely love Paleo Valley. I just had no bullshit and it wasn't for this, but my backpack's always loaded with these guys. The jalapeno beefsteak is, I don't go anywhere without them. They're super legit. So I want to

get your background. We'll talk meat and then we'll talk about Paleo Valley and wild pastures as we finish off the episode. As with all podcasts that I do, the arc or the only template that I really run with is, tell me about life growing up. What led you to becoming the person that you are today? Thanks, Kyle. Like I said, it's really an honor to be here. I'm excited about these topics too. So when I grew up, I had a really wonderful family. I grew up in Montana, Eastern Montana. There's a lot of agriculture around me. I got swept into the ballet scene when I was four, surprisingly, and grew up a dancer in a loving home. But around the age of 10, I started to have debilitating digestive issues and no doctorate in

my little Montana town really knew what to do with me. And they put me in the waste basket diagnosis of IBS, irritable bowel syndrome, told me to go home, take some Bino. And we did that and it didn't get better. And so I kind of just learned to manage the pain. And as I grew up and went into high school, it started to get worse. And with it came some mental health struggles. We now know there's this like intimate connection between the gut health and the brain health at the time that wasn't so well known. And so they decided to take me to psychotherapy and we did antidepressants and all of that. And none of that worked for me either. And I began to believe something was just broken in me. And I just decided I would manage rather than thrive. And I started using substances to help numb the pain I was feeling both physically and emotionally. My behavior got so out of control. I actually

got kicked out of my parents' house before I graduated high school. So I was going to high school living on my own. And honestly, I deserved that. I think my parents did me a favor there. So fortunately, I still had a love of dance. And even though I was in a lot of pain and really struggling, I decided to go on to college and pursue dance and psychology and eventually even made my way to Los Angeles and became this celebrity fitness trainer. And from the outside, it looked really good, right? Except for that when I came home, I was a mess. And when my husband really got to know me and got close to me, he said, you are suffering in silence and we have to figure this out, right? Your skin is breaking out. You're anxious all the

time. Your stomach looks pregnant after meals and we got to go to the doctor. And I said, I just don't think this traditional system has much for me, but we tried it in Los Angeles. And again, they just said, oh, you have irritable bowel. We don't know what to do. So he got on the internet determined to help his new wife. And he found out that some people in one little corner of the internet were having success with dietary change. And so I like was reticent about changing my diets because I didn't think something so little could help so much, but I did it. And in 30 days, all of my digestive issues were gone. And over the course of the next year, I became, I just transformed into a different person.

I was stable. I was happy. I was inspired. I, you know, no longer feared, you know, social engagements. I didn't have fear around my, what I was eating. It was so remarkable that I quit my awesome job with Tracy Anderson and decided to go back to school and really learn as much as I could about what was happening. Why was this such a powerful change for

me and how can I teach other people to do the same? And the reason we went into physical products was because my last assignment as a fitness trainer for Tracy Anderson was go on a seven month world tour. So I just reclaimed my health. But on on the road I'm not saying it's impossible but for me with the tools that I had and my uh at that time it wasn't easy and my health started to do a backslide and so when I came back to America I said I'm going to create the tools I want the tools for people no matter how you live your life to have really high quality options if you have digestive issues or you're just wanting to be very conscientious about the foods you put in your body. And then we decided to create wild pastures because I was making a lot of relationships with farmers and ranchers using regenerative

methods. And I was so inspired by what they were doing and so afraid of the state of our ecosystem and the degradation in our soil that I decided I wanted to create a way for the farmers who are just going about their business, experimenting and healing our land to connect them to the consumers who cared about this in a price that they could actually afford. And so that was more of our, I don't want my son to see a day where he can't grow his own food. And so Wild Passage was just an offshoot of my love for my Maverick. That's awesome. And what a great name too. You mentioned something that's really the way people think.

I couldn't believe that something so small, making a change so small would have such a big difference on how I felt, right? I was the exact same way. I was like, I remember talking to my strength coach, who was actually the guy that introduced me to Paul Cech's work. And he asked me, he's like, would you read a book? He wanted me to read how to eat, move me healthy. And I was like, fuck no, I'm out of college.

I'm not reading a fucking diet book. Get out of here. And he's like, you've got an intolerance. He kept saying, he's like, you've got some, you've got a food intolerance. And he's like, would you watch a video? And I was like, yeah, I'll watch a video. And it was flatten your abs forever. And I was like, cool, man, I want to get shredded. I'm fighting that heavy weight.

I care about how I look and, and, you know, knowing self-marketing, I am the brand and all that. And, uh, you know, the whole, of course the whole video has nothing to do with getting shredded. It has to do with, with gut health, soil quality, all those things that I didn't, why I was so, he got me with the bait. And then I was a huge, from that on a huge Paul Cech fan. I've, I've read that book probably a dozen times. But that, I credit Paul with this because once you make that change and it's so visceral, like everything in your life improves, the way you think, the way you retain information, the way you communicate, your emotional status, you know, like, can I handle outside stress

or not? When all of that shifts, you're like, that's so much more than anyone's actually talking about. And it's so much more than, oh, lose 10 pounds. It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with your total quality of life. And that's no small thing. And then from there, you're like, I can't go back. There's no going back, you know, But Paul planted the seed for me to continue my education. Because at that point, I was so sick of school. I was like, I'm never reading another book. And that one change from that one book and that one video was like, oh, what else can I learn

that will completely change the way that I live? So lots of love there. And it's funny too, Dr. Michael Ruscio, who's a buddy of mine, he wrote Total Gut or Total Gut Total You, something like that. Healthy Gut, Healthy You. Healthy Gut, Healthy You. There we go. Healthy Gut, Healthy You. He's in Austin now. We're going to run it back soon. He said, if you added up all the different categories of autoimmune, it would trump cancer, heart disease, everything else. The top two, top three, autoimmune is number one right now. And it's funny because the guy in charge for the last 40 years has those stats. Fauci, I'm talking about here. And I don't want to rabbit hole all that stuff, but it's like, dude, your track record's dog shit. Allergies are on

the rise. This isn't good. That's not a good resume to have. Anywho. So yeah, let's just continue. Sorry, I definitely diverged there and jumped off topic. But you jump in, you got Paleo Valley now. You wanted to create things in the 3d that were tangible, that would actually help you when you're on the road. Super important. Let's talk a little bit, um, about how, you know, where did the idea that meat is dangerous to health come from? You know, let's backtrack, let's rewind.

Let's get a little history lesson. Cause this is super important. This is so fascinating to me. I was telling you before we started that we decided to create a docu series because once I started sharing these principles, people were like, oh no, saturated fat. Oh no, cholesterol. And I was like, oh, okay. Okay. We got to figure this out. And so I have to credit Belinda Fetke. Have you heard of her? No. Okay. So I'm going to start there. So Dr. Gary Fetke, he's an orthopedic surgeon in Tasmania and you know, amputating diabetic limbs, noticing, you know,

that if he told his diabetic patients to reduce sugar, you know, they could maybe control their blood sugars better, which seems like a, yeah, obviously that would happen. But in his hospital, he told people that, and he was reported by a dietician. And so he underwent four years of interrogation, basically like having the threat of his medical license being taken from him and being the first doctor ever silenced talking about nutrition. Now, eventually he was exonerated, but because of this four year battle, his wife became fascinated by who are these forces? Where is this message coming from? And what she found is there's several origins. One of them in the Seventh-day Adventist church, there was a woman named Ellen White, and she founded the Seventh-day Adventist church. And she had visions from God where she

believed that the Garden of Eden diet had fruits, nuts, seeds, whole grains, and little if any meat. And one of her students was Dr. John Harvey Kellogg. And they believed that if they, if kids ate meat, they would masturbate and masturbate. Baiting was a deadly sin. And so he went on to create Corn Flakes Kellogg cereal with the goal of helping kids to stop from these unhealthy desires. And so that is essentially our first meat alternative was also something that Dr. John Harvey Kellogg figured out. And so we had that, we have the religious influence and there is such influence over our, you know, dietary guidelines and hospital and our education. I mean, the Seventh-day Adventist church is, I think, behind the Catholic church,

one of the major educators in the world. And so it's pretty crazy. And then we have William Proctor and James Gamble who were some businessmen and they had this cotton seed oil surplus and they didn't know what to do with it because electricity was coming and sales for candles were down and soap. And so they decided with the advent of hydrogenation, if they hydrogenated it, which just means adding hydrogen, essentially making it a solid oil, that it looked like animal fat and that maybe it could be a healthy alternative to lard, which a lot of people were using at the turn of the 20th century. And so without any substantiation for the health claims they made whatsoever, they launched this massive marketing campaign that literally convinced housewives that they needed to be liberated from churning butter

and that it would give their kids good character. And now we know that their product, Crisco, was 50% trans fat and how it was originally formulated. And the World Health Organization estimates it's responsible for 500,000 deaths every year. So we had William Proctor, we had business, we had religion. We also have the sugar industry. So Ancel Keys came along and he had the hypothesis that saturated fat was going to raise cholesterol, which was going to make you have a greater risk of heart disease. And he did something called the six countries study. But the only problem with that data was when we added data for the 22 countries, which was actually available, you find that the correlation was a

lot weaker. And that when you looked at total mortality, that there wasn't actually a benefit at all, but he was a very charismatic, very persuasive character. And he went on to convince Senator McGovern and the people who originated our dietary guidelines that saturated fat should be avoided. And that's kind of the direction that our dietary recommendations took. And we've been told to fear cholesterol, not anymore, but back in the day, saturated fat, animal products. And then of course, we have the voices of animal rights activists and this whole environmental narrative that only plant foods can be healthy for our ecosystems, which is just so absolutely crazy. Just because something's a plant does not make it sustainable. It can still

be grown with fertilizers and pesticides and monocultures. These go against our ecological principles, but the voices are strong and there's a lot of misconceptions about that research. So we have that. We also have things like the food compass. Have you seen this food compass nutrient profiling system? No. Tell me about it, please. Oh, no. Okay.

So they, granted, I spoke with Frederick Le Roy and he knows some of the researchers and he did a whole, he published an article criticizing this nutrient profile rating system. And I do believe that the researchers had good intentions, but what they did was they have like things like Cheerios and Lucky Charms at the top of the list and beef way down and eggs and whole foods that we have been consuming for our entire evolution at the very, very bottom. And admittedly, these researchers have been supported by big food companies that maybe have caused this unconscious biases. But the reality is when everyday consumers look at these nutrient profile rating systems, they would be convinced. And the problem with all of this is it goes completely counter to our evolutionarily evolution, right? So meat came into our diet, you know, 3 million years ago, then we use tools and then we started using all of the animals. This helped our brains to grow. There has never been a vegetarian culture. And despite

all of the evidence that, or all of this mainstream narrative that we're eating so many more animal products, our rates of red meat consumption, the most maligned animal product is actually on the decline while rates of processed foods and grains and seed oils are going up. And so I think this message has several origins that are kind of all converging at this time. Um. But it doesn't make sense. It's not true. And I'm just really passionate about helping people understand where this is coming from so that we can push back against it. Yeah, absolutely. There's a fantastic movie, a comedy called The Road to Wellville that really, really deep dives Kellogg and the history of him. And it's mind-blowing.

Like this dude was batshit crazy. Like, you know, like literally, it's funny. It's a funny thing to think too. Like I'm going to design a food that's so bland and so nutrient devoid that you'll not want to masturbate anymore. Well, like if you're going through, if you're say you're starting puberty,

testosterone is like a fucking gorillas, 800%, something like just abnormally high. There's a reason you desire that. Like it's relief, like pressure relief. And to have that happen, you know, like in women, women back in the day who had no orgasms. So they called it hysteria. There was a medical term for it. And doctors had a monopoly on manual release, clitoral stimulation to relieve the hysteria from women. Hamilton Beach, that makes your blenders for margaritas, they were the first vibrator. They were the first company that made a self-pleasuring device for hysteria, for women to self-service themselves and finally alleviate because doctors' entire schedules became women coming in with hysteria.

Imagine having a whole day at the office and all you're doing is manually releasing ladies so that they don't go home hysterical and they can get through the day and do their normal work. Like this, this happened right in the United States. It's, it's insane. When you,

when you start to look through the history, like we know the big fuck ups, you know, how this country was started with native Americans, mass genocide, it's insane when you start to look through the history. Like we know the big fuck ups, how this country was started with Native Americans, mass genocide, slavery, all that stuff's talked about, but there's so many little things that don't compare to that. No, I'm not saying they do, but there's so many little things like this.

To understand what the frame of thinking must have been to say women should not want pleasure, right? And if they do want it, they're hysterical. And there's only one way to go about that. It's absolutely mind-blowing. But yeah, Kellogg's design of Kellogg's Corn Flakes was without sugar. He was adamantly against it. And Post made cereal with sugar. They made Frosted Flakes. And then, obviously, sugar sells. So eventually, Kellogg got into making sugar, adding sugar to their cereals. But it's crazy.

It's absolutely crazy. I know. I was blown away when I heard about it. Well, let's talk. We've had conversations. What was cool having Ryland Englehart on is that they started Cafe Gratitude. We talked about this on a very recent podcast. It quickly became the number one vegan restaurant in California. They had their

grand opening in LA. And getting into regenerative agriculture, he had his first burger at 35 years old from regenerative. I was like, damn, and it comes full circle. And what happens? The community shows up in LA with signs that say murderer on it and just full on, these guys get death threats, the whole deal. So a little bit of dogma there. I'm not too worried about people giving me death threats. But let's talk about this. This is an age-old argument, not age-old because veganism is very new. But in our time, this has been a longstanding argument on how does meat stack up against vegan diets? Yeah, I know. I think it's really important. And I am not in the business of

telling anyone what to do. I just genuinely am fearful of young people believing that they can get everything they need on a plant-based diet. Having a son, that really worries me. So first of all, I think most of us are under eating protein anyway. You know, there was a recent report that over 40% of older Americans are not getting enough protein. And I see that with my son. It's just, it's hard to get enough protein. And when we don't have enough protein, we eat more. We don't burn as many calories. We're not as able to build lean muscle mass. We're not going to age as gracefully. And so just saying that we need to eliminate meat and not really making it as much

about protein, I think that's worrisome because even like Meatless Mondays, you take meat away from kids in those schools. And I think some of them, that will be the only really high quality meal that they get. So that really worries me because we need more protein. Protein has been shown to do a lot of wonderful things metabolically. Two out of 10 of us are metabolically healthy as it is. And I think it's just a scary reality to go away from that. The second thing is it's just a higher quality source of protein. I just don't think anyone can refute this. When you look at something like the digestible and dispens indispensable amino acid scores, right? They rate proteins and animal sources are higher quality across the board, right? You get something like wheat, I think it's around 43 and eggs are above a hundred. And so our body is just better able to use the proteins and they're complete proteins, right? So a lot of times vegetarian vegan sources

are missing certain amino acids like lysine or leucine ones that help us to build muscle mass and, and on and on. And so, yes, you can combine these proteins and have, you know, complete proteins and eat a higher percentage of protein and maybe make up for that. But at the same time, you're going to be consuming more calories. If you're not as educated, it's going to be really hard to do. And so I think animal sources are just an easier way to do it. Um, the last thing is there's a lot of nutrients. We always talk about meat, meat, meat, like it's all the same thing, but there's a lot of nutrients in a really highly bioavailable form and all of the different types of meat have different types of nutrients. And

Dr. Ty Beal just did this really cool report and it was kind of, it wasn't about being accounted for the food compass nutrient profile rating system, but it came out around the same time. And I think it's really interesting to compare them. But what he looked at is for the nutrients, most people are deficient in, which I think is the most important criteria, right? Vitamin A and calcium and zinc and iron, the most nutrient dense foods are animal sources. They're organ meats. I think four of the seven most nutrient dense foods were liver, kidney, heart, and spleen. And then we have beef and other animal products. And at the bottom, you find the refined grains that most people are actually consuming the majority of their diet from today. And there's some plant foods, particularly leafy greens,

really high. But the reason that we need these foods are because they contain the nutrients that most of us are lacking and that most of us need to be more concerned with. Iron, anemia is the number one deficiency worldwide. Zinc, which is really important for our immune system and just for growth and functioning of our brain. Um, and EPA and DHA, these long chain omega fatty acids that are very important for the reduction of inflammation and for our brain health and all of these things. A lot of nutrients B12 too only comes from animal source foods. And there's actually trials or case studies where children who did not receive enough B12 have irreversible deficits, even when they add animal products back into their diet. And so I think- Rob Wolf and Diane Rogers talked about that in Sacred Cow, especially when it comes to children

with B12 deficiency. It is a bizarro world to understand that people would force that on their kids when they're naturally going to be inclined to have a better variety, omnivorous. And yeah, that's super unfortunate, very unfortunate. And you know what? And I think these parents are doing what they think is best because that's what they're hearing, that it's a totally safe thing to do and they don't have to worry about it. And so my heart just goes out to them. But yeah, because more of us need really high quality protein. Protein is going to help us feel satiated. It's going to help us eat fewer

calories. It's going to help us build lean muscle mass and preserve that lean muscle mass as we grow older. It's going to be a better source of high quality protein that our bodies can use. And there's many nutrients that we absolutely require. And many of us are deficient in that we're going to get from animal source foods. So yeah, this message against me, it terrifies me. And what it does is it makes us believe that hyperpalatable, overly processed plant-based foods are the way forward. And I think that is absolute craziness and very, very dangerous messaging. Absolutely. I know I've mentioned this maybe not a hundred times, but I have mentioned this often on this podcast. It is worth mentioning again, right here in particular, as we're talking

about micronutrients. My wife and I did our 23andMe. We took the raw data. We outsourced it to foundmyfitness.com, Dr. Rhonda Patrick's. And she actually runs it through her machine learning and tells you what that actually means. And for both of us, along with Aubrey Marcus, my brother, and a ton of other people that I know, family members, we can't take beta carotene from carrots and from sweet potatoes and convert that into usable vitamin A, right? We can only get it from organ meat and egg yolk and cod liver oil, right? Like from animal sources, that's the only way we're going to have usable vitamin A, which is super important for the immune system, super important for cell replication. Like just, I'm trying to figure out if I was raised vegan, how dead I'd be or how impaired

I would be, right? DHA and EPA, we can't take ALA from omega-3 based plants like chia, flax, and convert it to either of those. We don't do it at any rate. It's not like we have trouble doing it. We don't do it. We absolutely don't do it. And the thing about these polymorphisms is that they're not unique. About 50% of the US population has the same polymorphism. So that means half of us aren't going to take plant-based food and convert it into actual usable micronutrients that are critical for brain health, critical for immune health, critical for survival, and just optimize life. That only is going to come from meat and meat-based sources. Oh, I just think that's such an important message. And yeah, I've been diving into the fatty acids

because I'm doing my dissertation on it. But I also think like Paul Cech allowed me to read part of his new book on nutrition. And this was one of the main arguments. It's right. You got to look at your ancestors. Where did you evolve or where did your ancestors evolve geographically? What were they eating? Were they in polar regions where they're having more animal products or were they more equatorial regions where maybe plant-based foods may be more appropriate and you might not as be like, be as likely to have those polymorphisms, but you're absolutely right. A lot of us to be able to convert ALA into those long chain omega-3 fatty acids, the rate is abysmal. And then if we have

thyroid issues, immune dysfunction, obesity, and all of these other things that a lot of Americans unfortunately suffer from, it's worse. So yes, exactly. Exactly what I was thinking. Thank you. That example was so powerful. Yeah. I'm always happy to share it, even though I'm like, eh, I'm going to repeat it, but I'm going to repeat it one more time. Like people got to know this, you know, I've had conversations with vegan friends, like, Hey, you might do great on this. And there's no argument. Like if you look healthy, your blood works there and you feel great. Um, that it absolutely is no one size fits all approach though. And you can't put that on other people because of me, because of my wife, because of Aubrey,

because of half of us in this country. Let's dive in here to some of the big problems with our current methods of animal agriculture. Yes. Okay. So if we walk into a grocery store today, I think something like 95% of the products we're going to see are going to be raised in confinement. These are operations with thousands of cows and tens or hundreds of thousands of smaller animals, sometimes like pigs and chickens. And I always like to say that these systems were

created with good intentions, right? We thought that we were going to have too many people and not enough food. And so we started to intensify production. But the unfortunate reality is there's a lot of problems with these systems. The first is the inhumane treatment of animals, right? We see them cramped into these tiny conditions. Sometimes they don't even get to go outside. And then they're not able to self-select foods. Dr. Fred Provenza's research has been really...

Do you know Dr. Fred Provenza? Did he write nourish? Yes, he wrote nourishment. He's such a cool guy. And he said the way that just like humans should be able to do self-select self-medicate um you know correct our imbalances in our biochemistry with food when they're just given total mixed rations like cows aren't able to do that and a lot of times an overly grain-based diet can create liver issues and just ill health that then necessitates the use of antibiotics, which is

another big problem. So the inhumane treatment of animals is one, then the additives is another, right? Ractopamine, beta agonists that are banned in hundreds of other countries are still used in our pigs today. And they've caused like heart palpitations in humans and lameness in the animals. And we have things like antibiotics, like I just said, and we have a worldwide antibiotic resistance issue. It's a huge issue that kills hundreds of thousands of people every single year. And when we have animals in these small conditions and we're giving them antibiotics, it's like we're giving these bugs multiple hosts to kind of mutate and create even more powerful antibiotic resistant bugs.

And so that's a huge problem. Hormones, right? Growth hormones. Some people believe that they can lead to things like precocious puberty and yeah, so the additives and also just the environmental cost, right? When we're looking at the efficiency of confinement, we're not really taking into account these externalities or these other factors like the pollution, the groundwater pollution from our manure, the fact that the communities around CAFOs suffer. They have higher rates of respiratory illness. They have odors they're dealing with. We have particulates in the air that are polluting things.

We have fertilizer runoff. And when we use corn for animals, which they don't actually need to eat, you're using a ton of fertilizer because corn often uses, you have to use a lot of fertilizer in order to produce it, which then creates nitrate runoff and fish kills. And there's just, there's a lot of environmental costs. And the final one is the cost to the community. I think when we began as a society that, you know, we had a lot of people involved in food production. And today we have these big companies coming in and making decisions for a few CEOs in far off countries, deciding what happens within your community. And then there's just less accountability. There's less of an investment. And I just think the degradation just goes down from there. And I think we need to come back to a time when our communities are invested and are deciding what happens within our communities because our food systems are localized and other countries aren't allowed to outsource our pollution. And that we come to terms of the fact that if we

pollute our environment and if we treat our animals inhumanely, ultimately that will affect us. That does affect our health, that affects our planet. And it's just something I'm very passionate about changing. Absolutely. You mentioned like a couple of big countries like Brazil and China controlling a very large percentage. Is that meat processing that they're in charge of? And we have something like six meat production companies that run 90 plus percent of all meat production here from Cargill to Tyson Foods and a few others. That's a big problem. If there's one thing that the COVID era has shown us is where our cracks are in the system, the weaknesses of having and, you know, what's going to happen in the US dollar in the very new future and things like that. But if we look at food production, that

seems like an absolute brittle, brittle thing that we're just standing on the cusp of watching fall apart. And it's in large part because we've outsourced so much and because we've let so many people who really have no vested interest in giving a shit about what we do with our land or our communities, they're now making, they're the ones in charge that are making the decisions

about what goes on in our land. It's terrifying, isn't it? Yeah, the decisions like Smithfield, for example, I think they own tens of thousands of acres in Missouri and just JBS, you know, out of Brazil, like you said, in Cargill and just all these big companies, they can totally control because they own the processing what kind of meat gets processed and how quickly it gets processed. And yeah, there's a total

bottleneck. It is very terrifying. And we need to come back to a time where, you know, local production is where most people are getting their food from. And I think this is also mirrored in this plant-based messaging. And I think there's people saying we need to get rid of animal agriculture altogether. And it's like, for what? So that we can create these factories and these big food conglomerates that are going to create food in certain big areas and control the food supply. No, I think that is absolutely the wrong way to go. We need to take the power back. We need to be invested in how we eat and who makes our food. And even if we can't do it ourselves, just know the people, you know, be as local as possible. And just,

if we don't, the power, like you said, remains in the hands of a few CEOs in far off countries who are getting rich by outsourcing their pollution and having control over our food supply. And I think that's a very precarious, terrifying position to be in. Absolutely. Well, like I mentioned, we have had a few regenerative folks on the podcast, but let's dive into regenerative agriculture. What is regenerative agriculture? How is it different? What are the benefits of it? Yes. And I know that you live on a regenerative farm. So essentially we've been living in an extractive relationship with the earth for the last 10,000 years, right? Where we're taking

more out than we're putting back in and we're prioritizing yield and just increased productivity over ecology. And so regenerative agriculture at its heart is just essentially an agriculture that takes into consideration how the soil and the ecosystem is now and yields, it tries to make it better, right? Tries to measure ecological outcomes and improve them in terms of soil health, water holding capacity, animal integration, biodiversity, carbon sequestration. So you hear this message that animal agriculture is destroying the planet. But in reality, when you look at white oak pastures or something down in Bluffton, Georgia, they've actually analyzed and found that regeneratively raised beef is the only one

that can act as a carbon sink, even when compared to Impossible Burger and Beyond Meat and conventional burgers, pork, soy, all of it. Regeneratively raised beef was the only one that actually took carbon out of the atmosphere and put it underground, which is exactly where we needed to go if we're going to kind of reverse climate change and the warming of our planet. So exactly that though,

you can be a regenerative farmer and be an organic farmer, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you're regenerative if you're organic. And a lot of people are looking at sustainability and sustainable food systems. But the truth is, we need to look beyond sustainable because if we sustain where we're at right now, where we lose 30 million acres of soil every year and an overwhelming majority of our soil is already degraded, then we're in for a rude awakening. And so regenerative agriculture is just trying to restore the land back to a higher or more worthy state. And as much as people don't like to admit it, animals are a

really integral part of this process. And there's six little tenants of regenerative agriculture, least disturbance and living roots. And animal integration is one of the tenants, building biodiversity and context and on and on. So animals can use their manure as fertilizer and they can kind of stimulate grass growth and the grass actually acts as a straw and takes carbon out of the atmosphere and puts it underground like we're talking about. And their hoof prints kind of create disturbance

that can create a number of ecological outcomes. So regenerative ag is just, it has to be our way forward. And people go and say, I think like that George Monbiot guy says that regenerative and organic agriculture is the most dangerous kind. I think that message is really, really scary because this is absolutely the way forward. And it is the only type of agriculture that actually restores planetary health in the way that we need it to, if we're going to have the food sovereignty and the food security that we desperately need in the future. I always, it cracks me up when I hear a statement like that from, who was it? It's this guy, George Monbiot. I'm not sure, have you heard?

He wrote a book. Somebody sent me one of his things that he had, a write-up that he had done. And I was like, was this funded by Monsanto? I mean, you got to think along those lines, right? Because if you look into regenerative agriculture, it's bad for no one. If you want to make the argument you can't scale it, fine. But we're not going to scale it from one particular farm. The idea is that more people get back to the land and more people regenerate the land and then more people are able to provide locally. Exactly. If there's a misbalance there, then that means you need more people to move from your city

back to the land neighboring by, regenerate the land, and then feed the people in that city. That's it. This is going to come from six meat companies on the planet, and that's going to solve it. No, that's not regenerative, right? We got to regenerate in small little pockets and form like Voltron, and then that can regenerate and also heal and provide enough for people. And it can provide enough for people. So anytime I hear something like that, it's kind of like when Bill Nye took a trip. He took a trip to Monsanto before Bayer

bought them. And he said, you know, I've been wrong about GMOs. He tweeted this. I was like, dude, how many zeros were on your paycheck? It's just fucking absurd though. It's so obvious. It's so obvious. Yeah. And I think you said regenerative agriculture is not bad for anyone, but I think it's bad for big business. It's bad for the centralization of our food supply. It's bad for people trying to create plant-based meat alternatives. This is big business we're talking about. And so regenerative ag is an absolute threat to that. And I think that's why we hear these messages outright attacking it. And I've even heard influencers say when they use the word regenerative in their posts and they don't get as much engagement. But yeah, I mean, I'm not all into conspiracy theorists.

I just think regenerative. No, that's real. That's real. That's not a theory. That's real, right? There are things. You don't even have to call it conspiracy. Like, they're pretty open about.

My wife and I just got released from our shadow ban. We may still be throttled behind the scenes, but finally, after two years in the COVID era, you can tag us on Instagram again, at Living With The Kingsbury. For two years, people have been saying, up until a month ago, they would say, hey, I tried to tag you in a post, and I just laugh, and I'm like, yeah, man, it doesn't pay to tell the truth these days. So finally, they lifted that, right? And I'm like, let's see how long it takes for us to get back on that list. Like, we're not going to stop telling the truth, you know, but that, that's a very real thing. There's no, you know, there's no, maybe people conspire, but that's just, that's just the business practices of social media,

you know, conspiracy there. That's how they practice, you know, regulating what they deem to be the truth and what they deem to be misinformation. Yeah. But if you think about pesticide companies, fertilizer companies, pharmaceutical companies, huge food companies, these are very wealthy, powerful entities. And so I think what you're saying is true. Not necessarily conspiracy, just money talks. Money is powerful. And what we're suggesting runs counter to their narrative and their goals. Yeah. I mean, that was something that it surprised me to the degree at which I saw it, but in Food Inc., which I'm sure you watched a long time ago, like me, the farmers that were attacked for wanting to use their own seeds and not going with GMO seeds,

because once they got you, they got you. There's no going back. If you've ever planted GMO seeds, those are the only seeds you're allowed to use. If your neighbor who's using a GMO seed hybridizes with your seed and their technology is found in it, they can sue you for using their seeds, even though Bayer or Monsanto has effectively ruined your crop with their genetic technology. So in that documentary, you really get a visceral experience of what it's like to try to do things right and to have this big system in its place, just stomping the little man everywhere they go. That is what's happening. So it's damn unfortunate, but

this is the world we're in. This is the fight we got. Yeah. One of the farmers we work with, actually, his father was a GMO seed salesman. And I believe that he applied pesticides and was in that world. And at 40, he developed Parkinson's. And so his son decided that he was going to do something different and be a part of a different type of system. And he spent the rest of his life regenerating all of his land and really working in pork production and how do we make it sustainable and regenerative and all the things. So just like you're saying, yeah, I think it's coming. The change is coming, but it's definitely not the popular narrative at the moment. Nah, well, it is on shows like this,

but piece by piece, we got to scrape together, right? Yes, yes. So this was really fascinating on our outline, something that we had Robbie from Force of Nature on the podcast maybe a month or two ago, and he was talking about, he listed, you know, it's Force of Nature, Rome Ranch. He's like, that's number three

on your list of healthiest meats you can put in your body. And I was like, this is coming from a dude who started Force of Nature. How is that number three? And he listed the top two, you know, but he listed them as, you know, hunting. Like you go out on a hunt, you hunt elk or you hunt game, you hunt something in the wild that lived in the wild its entire life. And then the lights went out the second the bullet hit it, right? Like that, that's number one. Number two would be something you've raised yourself on your land, 100% regeneratively. That's yours, right? Like that there's number two, number three is going via somebody else's that's doing the best possible regenerative practices. And that's for a lot of people,

the best option, right? That is for a lot of people going to be their best option because A, they've never hunted before. B, maybe they don't have the skillset or the time or the finances. Hunting is an expensive thing, unfortunately. It ain't cheap. Or maybe they don't have the space to raise their own animals, that kind of thing. But that was very curious to me that that would come from his mouth and very honest and awesome and open. One of the studies that you show here from Aria et al is the 2010 kangaroo versus beef, less inflammation with wild meat. Talk about that because this is really cool. And I love beef, but I also like varieties of foods. And we're raising emu and one of them's kind of a jerk. And I'm like, man, this guy, his name's Larry. I'm like, Larry, if you bite one of the kids,

I'm having a $600 fucking bird for a meal right now. We're going to roast you. So be kind. Oh my gosh, I love it. Yeah, so I do love that answer too. So yeah, this Aria et al study back in 2010 essentially looked at your levels of inflammation post-meal, meaning we all have a little bit of a rise of inflammation after we're eating. But he looked at wild kangaroo meat, or

they did, versus meat raised in confinement, and that was beef. And what they found was dramatically increased levels of inflammation for the beef raised in confinement. And what I think is really interesting, and obviously as opposed to the wild game or kangaroo that was probably mostly eating its native diet, what I was thinking is this might also be indicative of regeneratively raised beef versus beef raised in confinement. But Dr. Van Vliet is actually working on that right now. I'm working with him to do my dissertation. and he's looking at if we eat a plant-based burger and if we eat a beef raising confinement, or if we eat beef raised on a regenerative farm, what will be the difference in inflammation and other markers of health

after that? Because I think that's the next step, right? We know there are differences, nutrient changes in animal products, depending on how they're raised. That's pretty consistent in the literature, but the extent to which that impacts human health is kind of the next frontier. And I think we'll find with the levels of like things like secondary compounds, which we really hadn't thought much about because we don't track them on nutrition labels. And even though they have very well demonstrated human health benefits, we know the more diverse the pasture, there's marked increases in the levels of these secondary compounds. We also know fatty acids profiles change, like you're saying, levels of EPA and DPA and DHA and all of these things

change pretty dramatically and consistently depending on how the animals raise. But yeah, I'm really excited about this research. And there's also something called the Beef Nutrient Density Project going on right now. I'm doing a little bit of the data analysis for that. And they're taking farms all across the country, all different kinds of methods, and then looking at what changes in their nutrient profile of their products. And from what I've seen, it's what we kind of would expect that when they're eating more forage, more diverse diets, they're having better fatty acids profiles.

And Dr. Van Vliet's actually going to be updating on things other than fatty acid profiles on Thursday at the Bionutrient Food Association. But yeah, so anyway, I think wild game, probably a great bet. But if you can have a cow that is eating something like its native diet with very diverse pastures, I would hypothesize that that would be a different food than an animal raised in confinement. But I guess we'll see. The data will tell. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm ecstatic that we've got, we're telling you a little bit about our farm coming up and the trip to see Daniel Griffith out in Virginia. And since that trip, we now have 50 sheep coming from Austin Dillon, who was a speaker

at Rome Ranch on Regenerative. He makes bulletproof goats, bulletproof sheep that have never had a shot, never had antibiotics. And he's basically been doing that for 15 years to find the very best flocks that do well in Texas. So if a goat had a kid and didn't take care of it, they ate her. If one had foot rot or too many issues with their feet, they'd eat it. And they just kept doing that until they ended up with the very best genetics

for goats and sheep. So we've got 50 of those sheep coming and 20 cows from a breed called Corriente that do very well. They eat mesquite. They do very well in the desert. They have good quality milk. They're also low to the ground and pack a lot of meat in a very good, unique flavor. So I'm super excited to have them helping to restore the land and they're on their way. I mean, we should have them within the month. And I'm like, this is the thing. It's odd. I mean, but it is the thing that I'm most hyped about,

getting all these cows and cow-calf pairs and being able to milk our own animals and have this as a food source, not just for us, but for our friends and family and the local community and beyond. I think that's just, it's awesome. No, and that's exactly why this bigger message is so problematic because there's nuance. Like you said, you're excited about that. I'm also equally excited about in my next phase, maybe doing the same thing with some land here. But yeah, getting close to your food source, I think it's powerful and it's exciting. And I just hope more people get into it.

Super cool. Let's continue on this list of things because you just list the studies here. What did you guys find in the pasture-raised cheese versus grain-fed cheese? Oh, pasture. See, basically what these studies are finding is essentially Dr. Fred Provenza, Dr. Van Vliet are doing a lot of this research, that the phytonutrient content of these foods can sometimes rival plant-based foods, right? So depending on the more diverse the pasture,

the more diverse their phytonutrient sources. Sometimes like you can have as much as eggplants. And what these are thought to do is kind of protect the product itself from oxidation, but also have human health benefits like inflammation reduction and anti-diabetic properties and antifungal properties. And so they're finding when you raise something in a regenerative way on diverse pastures, they're going to have higher levels of these well-demonstrated health benefiting properties. And there's other research too, to show things like triglyceride

levels go down when you eat a burger that is grass fed or steak that is grass fed, as opposed to something that is grain-fed. And so there's a few studies throughout that are really looking at this, that there are probably health benefits. But Dr. Van Vliet, I think his research will show us for sure. And he's also going to look at what happens when you eat an entirely regenerative diet versus what happens when you eat an entirely conventional diet. Because I think one of the major factors in these studies and why the health benefits might be minimized is because

they're only one small thing you're eating in a larger context, right? And the background diet is really, really important. And so I think that will be a really fascinating study too. But yeah, from what it looks like, nutrient levels change definitely when you feed an animal an evolutionary appropriate diet and that that might actually be protective when you eat it in terms of inflammation and oxidation and other things in the body. Cool. I love it. All the little things people aren't thinking about. That always cracked me up too with like the, if it fits your macros diet. I was like, come on, dude.

Krispy Kreme donuts versus grass-fed steak. It's like, dude, there's just no comparison. Why are even people arguing about this online? Oh, I know. Paul Czach told me this. It just made so much sense to me. It's these small changes, right? They're like, oh, these are small changes.

And he's like, what happens when you change the punctuation in a sentence? Like the whole meaning changes. What happens when you change one atom in a molecule? You know, like it changes in really dramatic ways, even if there are small changes and food is so much more than, like you said, macros, it's information. It's powerful. Cool. Well, let's talk, let's talk, uh uh robin white what if we all went vegan oh i love this this was kind of a thought experiment that they did and looked at if 300 million americans decided to become vegan what would happen and they found that the environmental impact would be about 2.6 reduction in emissions and that there would be a lot of

nutrient deficiencies as a result and increasing grain consumption, which I think we know as Americans, we do not need more of. And the sad reality is you're not ever going to get all Americans to go vegan anyway. And so if you do something like 10% of Americans even went vegan, right? I think something like 6% are right now. That's a 0.26% reduction in emissions, which is not even measurable. And Dr. Frank Mitlerner has talked about this. And so, again, this messaging that if we all went vegan, we would fix all these emissions problems is just, it's not true at all. And they're a lot of times misrepresenting the emissions from animal products anyway, saying things like 51% or even 18% of emissions are from cows. When in America specifically, it's 2%.

And actually the emissions levels, human-generated emission levels from crop agriculture is higher than even animal agriculture. I think it's 4.9% versus 3.7% or something like that. And landfills too. I know Rob Wolf and Diane Rogers really dive into this in Sacred Cow, but landfills secrete or excrete more methane than all factory farming combined, right? So what are we doing with that? There's so many other pieces to the puzzle that get overlooked. And Paul Saladino talked about this years ago in the podcast that when the earth was full of mastodons and it was in an ice age, mastodon poop was not creating global warming, right? It's a closed system. It is a closed system, right? The carbon cycle, when done appropriately, is a closed system because of the animal impact, the stomping

on their own poop, getting back in, the living, breathing soil, taking that in and sequestering carbon. That's a closed loop system. It's only when we do the factory farming and things like that that we don't close the system. Exactly. And we have this tunnel vision. Like you said, methane, it's a flow gas. It goes up into the air, it's CH4, and then it becomes carbon dioxide and water and it goes back down. And if up into the air it's ch4 and then it becomes carbon dioxide and water and it goes back down and if you keep the level of animals constant in the environment this is not changing right and then a lot of us are just tunnel focused on emissions emissions but then we're missing this broader beautiful picture of regenerative ag where it's not only about

emissions it's about water holding capacity and it's about restoring aquifers and it's about soil biodiversity and all the things that come from that and habitat biodiversity and on and on and on. So yeah, I think it's a really dangerous game that we're playing when we're looking at the wrong metrics. Absolutely. You have a quote here from Dr. Provenza and I have nourishment on my desk. I have not opened it yet, but yeah, Daniel Griffith recommended it to me. He said it's one of his all-time favorites. I'm super excited to dive into it. Provenza writes, people will have to learn we are members of nature's communities. What we do to them, we do to ourselves.

Only by nurturing them can we nurture ourselves. Oh my gosh, right? Fantastic. It's just such wisdom there. Yeah, and it's so funny. Do you know who Paul paul hawken is from project drawdown no okay so project drawdown is this amazing organization that has literally looked at how do we help people um fix the climate crisis right he himself i believe is a vegetarian

but he said and he gets a lot of pushback for this, of 80 ways to mitigate climate change, regenerative agriculture is number one. And it includes animals. And it is the number one way that people can help restore the health of our ecosystem. I just think, oh my gosh, that's so powerful for someone who might not even eat animals. It sounds like my buddy, Zach Bush, right? Zach doesn't eat meat, but he is full on inter-regenerative. He understands the complexities of it.

He understands the microbiome of human health, the soil health. It's all intertwined. Yeah, Zach's there. And then that's it. You know, if you're healthy and you're doing that and you want it, cool. As long as you acknowledge how necessary plant and animal husbandry is to solving the riddle, right? Exactly.

We all need different things. And like I said, I'm not in the business of telling anyone how they should eat. But the only thing I do push back against is that no one should have access to high quality animal foods that can regenerate the earth. A lot of people, pastoralists

in other parts of the world, they absolutely rely on livestock and this is their source of income. And so I just think it's really unfair and small-minded to say anything else. There's one of Daniel's favorite books is the Sand County Almanac. And it's a beautiful book from a guy who just lived amongst the land, lived an incredible life. He was highly educated, taught one of the first classes on true environmentalism. I forget which college.

I'm butchering it. But spent most of his days on the land. And he speaks about it poetically, about how people in the city that have nothing to do with growing food have a comment on how it should be done. And the people that are in the rural communities actually doing the damn thing just get shit on because they don't have a voice, right? It's like, and that's paraphrasing but he says it far more eloquently than that because it is poetry but it's brilliant it's exactly it's

exactly the case here you know yeah and there's this book called plant-based con i don't know if you can get a physical copy yet but you can get it in on audible and i just finished jane buxton and she talks about the way like the eat lancet and all of these major publications that are coming out, that the regenerative farmers, they're not represented in these panels creating the guidelines, right? They're just, their voices aren't heard and their stories aren't told. And that's how we end up with this extremely convoluted messaging and answer to the riddle that doesn't even make sense. Well, I'm happy that somehow Ryland was able to get Kiss the Ground on Netflix. And I'm super happy that The Biggest Little Farm was able to make its way on Amazon Prime because these are part of the big corporations, but they're still allowing it, at least for

now. And that's telling a big story because of the reach that they have. Let's talk a bit about, you know, you, you, you guys started, you guys started Paleo Valley because of the absolute necessity for it with travel, getting, getting high quality food that was going to be convenient. And, and I, I actually love doing your ad reads because there's never a poll like that. And I don't have any sponsor where I'm like, yeah, I kind of like them. Like I fucking love them or I'm not going to talk about them. Right. But like, literally there's not a, there's not three days that go by where I'm not having one of your meat sticks, period. At least every three days. And I'm always having two at a time when I do.

They are phenomenal. Let's also, let's talk about wild pastures. Like what got you into wild pastures and what are some of the things that you've really started to figure out? You wrote about inflation and things like that. This is the changing nature of our reality thanks to printing 80% of the money in the last two years. No one can really fathom what that's going to do, but talk about how that's influenced you guys at Wild Pastures and really what your mission is there. Yeah. So our mission at Wild Pastures, like I said, it's just, we were talking to the farmers that we had cultivated relationships with and they said, we just want to do the farming and

we want to do these regenerative methods, but we don't want to market ourselves. And as a holistic nutritionist, I would talk to people like, go find regeneratively raised meat. And they say, well, I don't know where to do that. And I don't, and when I do find it, it's very expensive and I can't afford it. And so we decided, what if we became that middleman who connected the consumers who wanted this type of regeneratively raised meat to the people who wanted to get it at an affordable cost and to the farmers who are doing that. And so that's exactly what we did. And our mission at Wild Pastures is just to provide the highest quality meat that moves the needle and help transform the system at a price that's actually affordable. So it's just a meat delivery service.

And what we do is we only source from American regenerative farms. A lot of meat services actually take it from out of the country because they have higher standards and more of these practices in place. But I think when we do that, we're really missing the opportunity to create that food security and the food sovereignty in America and to heal America's microbiome. So we think it's really important from American farmers only using regenerative methods. And then we just deliver them to your house and we use reusable packaging and we're getting electric vehicles and we're considering the environment at every stage of the process. And then because we have two companies, we can use the organs. We were really passionate about whole animal utilization.

It's we're using the bones for our bone broth, protein powder. We're using the organs for our organ meat supplement. And we're just, we're not wasting. And we're really, really honoring all that is that comes from our animals because only about 50% of the product is actually being used as meat or being sold as meat many of the times. And then of course, accessibility is just the most important thing. Like you said, inflation is rampant and people are having trouble affording food. And so we're taking a lot of this increasing cost on the nose because we think this is such an important mission and we really want to help transform the food system. And so our prices aren't going up and we're just holding steady and being really, really creative about the ways that we save our costs so that we can pass those costs,

pass the savings onto the consumers. And, and we're about 40% cheaper than other meat delivery services. So you'll get, you know, 25, 15, 15 pound boxes that you can customize. You can customize the cuts of meat that are in them. You can customize the timing of your order and we can ship anywhere nationwide. So, and that was basically a result of my son, our son being born and us fearing that our food system was in trouble and on the verge of, you know, not collapse, but just a rude awakening of sorts. Yeah. That's, that's why I got into farming. That's it right there. Having two kids, I was like,

you know, I see the writing on the wall. And I know a lot of people listen to this. They don't have an Aubrey to buy a farm like I did. They don't have, you know, friends that have the kind of the finance or flow, but just getting involved, getting to know the people, getting to know somebody that's in your neighborhood where you're actually going to the farmer's markets and you're meeting the people producing your food, that makes a huge difference. And going out and volunteering,

that's one of the things I love about Rome Ranch is that my son sat on my lap and we watched a bison that we ate. We split 50-50 with Taylor from Rome Ranch. He sat on my lap and watched that animal die. We cried together. We put our hands on her warm body. We prayed for her and thanked her. To have that connection before he's able to hunt and before he's able to have that experience for himself, it's so important. And it's such an important piece. And I really love, there's a lot of farms that are doing that very thing. They're saying, hey, we want the community to be involved in this. We want you to see this. We want you to help with the field dressing. We want you to have your, get your hands dirty, you know, put your hands in the soil,

get some blood on your fingers, do this and understand that this is a natural part of human existence that's been lost and forgotten. It is. And something a lot of people think we can cheat, right? That it doesn't have to be part of it. But no matter how you're eating, it requires death. And so I think that's a beautiful experience. Hopefully one that I can give to my son as well. He's really interested in becoming a hunter. And so, yeah, I just think the closer we can get and the more humility and the more honor we can give to the animals that we're consuming, the better, obviously. Absolutely. Where can people find you specifically online and where can people find your amazing companies? Yeah, so you can always email me with good feedback, bad feedback, any kind of feedback at autumn at paleovalley.com.

I love to hear it all. And then wildpastures.com is the meat delivery service. And then paleovalley.com is our food and supplement snack line. And then we also started a regenerative burger place here in Boulder called Wild Pastures Burger Company. So there's no sugar in the place. It's all regeneratively raised agriculture and organic produce. And so you can always visit us at wildpasturesburgerco.com as well.

That's awesome. Well, next time in Colorado, I'm going to stop by you guys for sure. You have to. We would love to have you. Thank you so much for coming on the show, Autumn. It was great chatting with you. Yeah, Kyle. This was amazing.

Thanks. Thank you.