Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #272 Dr Scott Sherr

Episode Date: October 6, 2022

Dr Scott works closely with Dr Ted Achacoso and the old trope, ‘great minds think alike’ holds up for sure. He is as brilliant as expected. He incorporates a Hyperbaric chamber in a lot of his practice and really makes sure his clients are taking care of all of the low hanging fruit(4 Doctors) first. My personal favorite part was his excellent breakdown of a lot of the ingredients of their troche/Methylene blue products. I thoroughly enjoyed this convo and hope you do as well!   WINNER WINNER “GotTuba?” you’re a soul after my own heart. Head over to kingsbu.com and hit me with your email so we can get the goods out to you ASAP. We’re still rolling with the Organifi review giveaway y’all! Unfortunately the only service you can leave a written review is on Apple so head over there and hit us with a few bits and pieces of how the show has helped you out as well as your IG/Twitter handle so we can reach out easy peezy. I’ll pick one at the end of each of the next 3 months and send you a care package of my fav, possibly favorites. Love y’all!   Connect with Dr Scott:   Website: drscottsherr.com www.homehope.org  troscriptions.com  Instagram: @hbotplus (Dr Scott's Hyperbaric practice) @troscriptions @drscottsherr    Sponsors:   Desnuda Organic Tequila Sometimes being fully optimized entails cutting loose with some close homies. We have just the sponsor for that occasion. Head over to www.desnudatequila.com for the tippy toppest shelf tequila in the game. Use Code “KKP” for 15% off your first order!!  Organifi Go to organifi.com/kkp to get my favorite way to easily get the most potent blend of high vibration fruits, veggies and other goodies into your diet! Click that link and use the code “KKP” at checkout for 20% off your order! Bioptimizers - Masszymes Gut health is paramount and these guys have a bunch of goodies thrown in if you head over to masszymes.com/kingsbufree Kapex This new product helps you utilize both dietary and stored fat for fuel and energy. Ideal for Keto lifestyle or otherwise. Head to kenergize.com/kingsbu and use “KINGSBU10” for 10% off any/all orders Lucy Go to lucy.co and use codeword “KKP” at Checkout to get 20% off the best nicotine gum in the game, or check out their lozenge.   To Work With Kyle Kingsbury Podcast   Connect with Kyle:   Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service Academy  Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys   Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com  Zion Node: https://getzion.com/ > Enter PubKey  >PubKey: YXykqSCaSTZNMy2pZI2o6RNIN0YDtHgvarhy18dFOU25_asVcBSiu691v4zM6bkLDHtzQB2PJC4AJA7BF19HVWUi7fmQ   Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

this was a great one dr scott in the house for the very first time someone that i have heard quite a bit about a close uh a companion and teammate alongside dr ted achikoso we recorded these ones back to back uh and absolutely loved them I know we're going to get these both out last week. We're not able to do that. So if you're expecting to last week, lo siento. Anywho, love this podcast. We really dovetailed off the conversation with Dr. Ted and took a deeper dive into more of the nitty gritty. So a lot of the nitty gritty behind supplements like methylene blue. Dr. Scott's also a specialist in hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which is something that I used to

do quite a bit when I was fighting professionally. I think Tim Ferriss was doing some kind of crazy feats of strength, like seven minute breath holds in there using some form of Wim Hof breathing and ketosis in there. I never really got into that yet. I'm super down to try. But from a healing standpoint, it's absolutely incredible. There's very few things like that. And it's one of the reasons Dr. Dan Engel included it in the concussion repair manual. It has the unique ability to heal all things, whether you're recovering from a knee injury. I remember I brought it up on the

podcast, but I remember Terrell Owens when he was playing with the Eagles had the high ankle sprain in the NFC championship game and he slept in a mild pressure hyperbaric oxygen bag for two weeks and was phenomenal in the super bowl and it was a really you know like oh you big deal he had a sprain like it was a decent

sprain and he was able to bounce right back um so there's it's cool technology you know for sure and it's more readily available than it was in the past um you can punch in you know your search if you live in any city or close to any city, you can access one most likely. And they have some here in Austin. So it's been like eight years since I've gotten in one, but I just had a mild knee tear that I got stem cells for. And Dr. Scott recommended that as the one-two punch. So super excited to start that.

But we break down a ton of stuff in here. His story, his background, as with all guests. And then we deep dive really what it means to be healthy and how to achieve that. And what are some of the things that we can take in conjunction with a strong foundation? A lot of what this show focuses on is the strong foundation, or we'll deep dive one particular supplement here and there. But really what's cool about what Dr. Ted and Dr. Scott are doing is that they've created a myriad of wonderful additions to a good working foundation. And I think that that has tremendous

benefit. I've never had a guy on the podcast to really deep dive hyperbaric oxygen his first time. I think Dr. Dominic D'Agostino was the only other person I've had on who really has a foray in that field. But he, you know, so many years ago, I'm not sure how deep we took it. So this is great. It was much needed. I want to have Dr. Scott back on regularly. He's a fantastic dude with a ton of info, and you guys are going to really appreciate this one. I know there are a number of ways you can support this podcast. First and foremost, leave us a five-star rating. If you do so, we will select one of you. We've got a winner from September that I got to select here.

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I'll call it out right there. It's just not completely random. Doesn't mean you have to write your life story, but if it's a good review and it's to the point and really lands in one of the ways that the show's helped you out and it's meaningful, like absolutely. So Organifi is running that till the end of the year.

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them. In particular, and we don't really get into the weeds in this podcast in particular with Dr. Scott, but in particular, if I have one that's going against the narrative of the mainstream and you're like, ha, I told you, here's some proof and these links to the show notes and there's science and there's documentaries and there's X, Y, and Z and a book you need to read and you're sending that to the person who you've been arguing with for the last six months, that ain't going to turn them. That's not going to be the thing. And I've done that. I've made that mistake with like Dr. Peter McCullough on Rogan's podcast and things like that. I've got people flat out telling me like, I don't want to listen to that podcast.

I don't want to listen to that podcast because of X, Y, and Z. And I have to honor that. But I will say, this is one that lands. It's one of those ones that speaks to the lowest common denominator. And if you've got anybody that's trying to optimize their health, there are a number of ways to go about that. Dr. Scott really lays that out. That's why I think this is one that everyone's going to love. And so share this with friends. Share this with anybody who wants to perform better individually.

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today on sponsors. Thank you guys for continuing to listen to that. I appreciate it. And my dude, Dr. Scott. We just had Dr. Ted on. We got Dr. Scott on. We got the doctors in the house. Indeed. I wanted to tell this story on the last podcast, but didn't make it on there. Now, for audio, it's not going to fucking matter. But for video, it's going to matter because people can see from across the screen that my teeth have never been bluer.

And I found this out kind of the hard way on Saturday. You know, I'm getting veneers done on October 3rd. If many people are wondering, why is Kingsbury getting veneers? This is superficial or any of these other thoughts, like trust me, I'm the last guy who wanted fucking veneers. But I have a great dentist who does biological dentistry and for long-term health and wellness

and the ability to sleep on my back, which I can now. For the first time, I can sleep on my back. I have less neck pain, lots of shit, lots of benefits there. We'll break all that down on the podcast with him. We decided to go the veneer route. And the composites they give me as loners while they're making the veneers, though, they are highly stainable teeth.

Now, I was high as shit coming out of this ceremony where they shaved my teeth and Nosferatu and take all the measures. And so I forgot them telling me that like, Hey, your teeth are really stainable. And I'm going on this caffeine fast for 30 days. I threw in one of the just blues, phenomenal product. One of my favorites. I'm like, this will give me undoubtedly the amazing energy that I need. It's a nootropic. It's going to give me cardio. It's going to help with everything. Why wasn't I thinking of this earlier?

I should have been running this the second I got off caffeine. So I throw it in. It dissolves completely. I'm looking at my tongue. I'm seeing my tongue start to come back to normal. My teeth aren't. And I was like, oh, I think I remember them saying-

Yeah, no veneers. That my teeth, these aren't for the veneers yet. These are highly stainable. Porcelain, not. This will fucking stain. And I was like, oh God, I look in my phone. I'm like, October 3rd. Just a couple of weeks of blue.

Three weeks, three weeks straight is what I was looking at. And I was like, I fucking, my family loves it. That was at least the best was the amount of shit I've taken from my wife and my kids, my little girl, especially. She's like, daddy got a blue mouth. Daddy smile.

Daddy stick your tongue out. So do your kids want to also have a blue mouth when you have a blue mouth? Sometimes my kids do too. I don't know. You know, they, she does more than him. You know, he's always curious because he knows like dad has snooze

and that's an adult thing you know like you will have you will work with organic tobacco later um but not now you know it's there's he knows he knows there's timelines and trajectories for certain things so that is definitely a conversation um yeah frozen blueberries works in case you want to try it with them one day it's like dad i have a blue mouth look or it's kind of purplish, but you know, you get the idea. How many kids do you have? I have four kids. Wow. Damn, dude. Congratulations. Being health optimized. I blame Dr. Ted over here. I was going to say, yeah, you guys are, well, you're co-creating a lot of good stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I have four kids. I have almost 12 year old. I have a 10 year old. I have a

seven year old and I have a five year old. So three girls and the youngest is a boy. So it's a party at my house. That's for sure. That's why we need to move out of California and come to Colorado because I needed more space. Yeah, I get that. Now I have my own basement. I have my hyperbaric chamber down there. I have my sauna. You know, I have everything that I need. Damn, you got the optimized setup for sure. Well, I'm working on it. Always working on it. But I still need a cold plunge because that's what all the cool people have these days. But that, no doubt, no doubt.

Well, yeah, I optimize the shit out of our first house, which is the one we're moving from that I was telling you guys about in Southeast Austin. Yeah. And you can't walk in the fucking garage. Like I overdid it. You got too much. I really overdid it.

And we've got overhead racks for like all of our storage stuff. Nice. There's little J hooks underneath. So we've got bikes hanging and stand-up paddle boards, the inflatable type. We definitely couldn't have had the full mount. Sure, sure.

But with the sauna in there, six-person sauna, the barrel sauna, the ice bath, the squat rack, the GHD, you name it. It's just like you really couldn't work out unless you take half the garage out to work out. So I definitely messed that up. It's going to be nice being on the land here and having a lot more open space to kind of set things out. Right outside this window, we've got an outdoor gym. So half of my garage is going to go right there. Cardio equipment, that kind of stuff. It's nice to be able to have these things at your home. I mean, we're obviously blessed to have these

kinds of technologies and the practices and things because then you can figure out how you integrate them all together within the lifestyle that you're creating for yourself and for your family and then bring your kids into the sauna like i bring my kids into the sauna sometimes or bring them into the chamber or whatever it might be so i find it is a really nice way but what i also find is that a lot of people don't have a really good sense of how to integrate these things together and how you get into your sauna and then you do your racks or whatever it might be. How do you do this all together?

So one of the things that I focus on a lot with people is like how you integrate all these technologies together. And that's really where I find a lot of, there's a lot of lacking information. Everybody's get like the fancy new toy or the fancy new tub or whatever it might be. But like, how do you use this? And how often do you use it?

And so like, I'll find people like tell me that they've done things like ridiculously, the amount there's just ridiculous. And other times it's like, they're not using it at all. Like you just spend $5,000 on this, you know, it's like, it's funny, but it's like the treadmill that never gets used. You got a new, new clothes hanger. Yeah. Well, I want to, I want to dive into this. This is a fascinating conversation. I know that my audience for sure will resonate with this because people hit me up all the time. Like, what's the best cold punch? Or how do I make one for the cheat? And that's something that me and Luke Story and a number of other people that y'all are well familiar with,

have, Luke actually did the best. He put out a blog that like really went over like, how do you do this custom for yourself? And then now we're both on different professionally made ones, but. Right. And back in the day, that's what everybody did. They got like an icebox. Yeah, we want to help people out, right? I get that. And I think that people can get on the hot track of something or like, all right, it's January.

I'm going to fucking invest in myself. And that's a good thing too. Yeah. But how they really manage that matters. But first, first, this is your first time on the podcast. Indeed. And I do want to get a sort of an origin story, if you will, from a comic book sense

of how you got into, who made you? Like how you got to be where you were at today and working with Dr. Ted and creating such amazing stuff in the world. Sure. Yeah, that's always a good place to start. So I grew up the son of a chiropractor. So my father is a chiropractor still in New York. And I've been within that frame of alternative medicine,

the OG functional medicine ideas since I was a kid. And so I learned his practice. I grew up in his practice. I was at his office. I worked his front desk. I collected money. I was really good at that. And then I went to college.

I went to UCLA. And then I went to medical school in Baltimore. I decided to go to medical school thinking that I could be this high-minded guy who could like figure out how to bridge this major chasm between alternative medicine at the time and conventional medicine. And I always knew that I was going to try to get out of medical school and residency as fast as I could and just kind of figure out what I wanted to do. In medical school, I was, obviously there's a lot of things that you get, you get experience with, you get experience with.

You get experience with trauma, with surgery, with everything else. And I got tantalized by the idea that you could make $700,000 coming out of school as a dermatologist or as a radiologist. But I always came back to the underlying foundational principles for me, which was I always knew that I wanted to bridge that chasm somehow and also work on the health side of things. And so I found out about hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which is what I specialized in when I was in medical school. And then out of residency, when I finished my internal medicine residency, I moved over to California with my wife and I became a medical director of a hyperbaric facility. And I met a really nice guy out there who had a practice where he was consulting with people. He's like a Dr. House

kind of guy. He's actually brilliant. He surfs all the time. He goes to Alaska and surfs. And he's like, yeah, I just have this phone. People call me and I just give them advice about medical stuff and I help them find out what's going on. Maybe I could do that for hyperbaric therapy. And so I created an online virtual practice where I work with people all over the world and all over clinics all over the world as well, and how to optimize their hyperbaric protocols and integrate this with other technologies and other practices. And that's why I have real interest in how people at home can use these various technologies, integrating them together, especially with hyperbaric therapy. But about four or five years

ago, I realized that I didn't have a real base for my practice because I was giving people a lot of advice about hyperbaric therapy, but I wasn't really able to give them more of a foundational approach because what I realized, it's a very simple thing, is that if you're giving the body more oxygen, which is what happens in a chamber, you have to be able to make energy effectively and you have to be able to detox

from making energy effectively. If you don't do those things well, you're not gonna do well in a hyperbaric chamber. And so I found out very early when I was treating very sick people with like Lyme, chronic infections, autoimmunity, like a lot of really sick people that they would do very poorly in the chamber. And I realized that if you give them some additional support initially, or even after you

get out of the chamber, maybe some detox capacity, maybe the sauna, maybe other types of technologies, binders, et cetera, from a supplement perspective, that you could really help them in a much more holistic way. And then I met Dr. Ted Achikoso in 2017, and he had created this foundational practice called health optimization medicine and practice. And because of his perspective, which was more of a health-focused perspective, the ideas really resonated to me because that's how I grew up. I grew up that you give the body what it needs, it's going to heal itself. And that's what a chiropractor does. You do adjustments. My dad wasn't just the type of like crack them and out the door kind of chiropractor. He was changing their diet and he was getting them exercising. He was doing lots of sort of body

work outside of just chiropractic. And so for me, the foundation of using biochemistry, optimizing vitamins, minerals, nutrients, hormones, neurotransmitters, it all made a lot of sense to me as a way of giving a foundation to my clients. And so I signed up very early on in 2017 to be part of the organization, the nonprofit organization that we were running and starting. And then we created a seven module certification course that helps optimize this foundational cellular biology that we all have and we all need to. And it doesn't take the place of functional medicine, doesn't take the place of allopathic

or conventional medicine. It's like, for me, it's like the bottom of the pyramid, right? Like before you start treating any disease or even looking for the root cause of something, what you really wanna do is forget all that for a little while and then focus on that foundation. Because if your cells aren't working well,

if your mitochondria are not working well, if your hormones are all messed up, if your gut's all fucked up, then that's going to be a problem no matter what else you're going to do. I mean, we know even certain medications don't work well unless you have certain types of microbiota, certain types of bacteria in your gut to activate them. You know, we also know that our gut is one of our, it is our largest immune system. So if we don't focus on these things, then, you know, we're missing the boat if we're just looking for root causes or looking for obviously just treating condition with medication if there's time. But I also like the idea that you have all the best of all worlds. If you need

to get something done, go to the hospital, get it done. If you have a stroke, go to the hospital. We have great medications for that. But outside of that, outside of the acute care things, preventative medicine is fucked. It's just not helpful for most people. It doesn't really exist. And that's that you alluded to it, right? As much as I shit on Western medicine, I have a functioning shoulder from a slap tear surgery that I did back in 2012 that fucking saved my shoulder, right?

Like I was literally punching. I would throw a punch in practice thinking I was going to somehow heal this. And when my arm slid out like Dhalsim and Street Fighter 2, I was like, yeah, I probably need to get this surgery if I ever want to punch again. If I didn't, and I just wanted to hang out and work on a computer all day long, cool. But no, I'm not going to punch somebody on the street, I don't think. But I like punching a bag. I like sparring on occasion. You are in Texas. You never know what you need to be able to do, man. You never fucking know. Texas, y'all. Never know, right? But that's a beautiful thing,

this acute care. It's the best of the best. Give it the credit that it's due, right? And at the same time, is it preventing anything? Fuck no. No, we are landsliding in the wrong direction on preventative care. Yeah. Yeah. Trauma centers are the most common example. Like they are fucking phenomenal. I grew up, like my whole medical school training was at a place called Shock Trauma right next door. And they did all the shock and trauma in Baltimore where I trained.

And Baltimore is known for its shock and trauma. Yeah, I think Dr. Peter Attia was there as well. He probably did a rotation there. A lot of people come in from other locations around the world, actually the army, the Navy and the Marines, they all train at that facility because they get the trauma that you, I mean, obviously I saw crazy shit

where people would come in with stab wounds. They were like bleeding out. They'd open up the chest right there in the emergency room and like patch the heart and shit. Like, well, it's beating blood. I mean, like crazy stuff, but that person survived. I mean, the possibility of somebody like that surviving is extremely low, but that person survived. I mean, the possibility of somebody like that surviving is extremely low, but that person survived. I mean, so what we can do in trauma, what we can do in

acute care is amazing, but we're really, really screwed when it comes to preventative medicine. And functional medicine is like the biggest other category now. And I think that's a significant improvement on just the preventative measures that we use in conventional care. Like obviously get your colonoscopy, get other screening tests that are necessary for your age. I think all that's important. And in the health optimization medicine framework that we use, like we always talk about that as well.

Like this doesn't take the place of going to your conventional doctor, doing the regular preventative screening, et cetera. And then I work with functional medicine doctors all the time. If I feel like the foundational pieces are in place and now that they need to really look at, maybe it's a chronic infection, for example, or something that's autoimmune specific or whatever it might be. And this has happened a lot more, especially

within the worlds of like the post COVID world and things like that, where, you know, there is significant need for that foundational piece. But I've also found that a lot of people have chronic infections that get reignited. They have chronic mold exposure that they also have now that wasn't an issue before, but then they had- It's massive in Texas. It was something that growing up in California, I never thought of as a big deal, but the humidity here, a pipe burst

because of the cold winter, which happens once in 30 years. Then all of a sudden you got black mold that's undetected for three years, but you're breathing that in for three years straight. I've had a lot of friends that got whacked hard from the snowpocalypse just from that exact story happening. Yeah, you guys didn't have power for a number of days, right? It was like freezing. Yeah. Yeah, but the mold issue, big one, right? Yeah. So mold is just one of those other kind of super imposed kinds of things on top

of likely a cellular function capacity that's screwed up already, right? So it's all about the threshold. This is something my father says. It's like everybody gets to these threshold events where that all of a sudden things just kind of go downhill from there. You know, it could be like an injury that's not even related to the symptoms that you have. Like I've had people with shoulder injuries, for example,

and then their brains don't work, for example, because the body gets into this inflammatory state and it creates this, what's called the cell danger response. And then the whole body starts to deregulate or dysregulate after that. And that includes, you know, it could be, what's called the cell danger response. And then the whole body starts to deregulate or dysregulate after that. And that includes, you know, it could be, you know, your blood brain barrier where it starts becoming more permeable. And as a result, more stuff that's not supposed to get in there, gets in there like infections, for example. But the key always is

to look at the foundational stuff first. And then when you look at the foundational stuff and that's being optimized, then you take it to the next step, which is, you know, we call, it's called, so Dr. Ted has this term that I like, it's called the holobiont. It's not his term, but it's a term that was describing like our ecosystem. So like we have, we're made of cells, right? We're made of not just human cells, we have bacteria, fungus, and virus. And we have all the things outside in our environment. We have our exposures to sunlight, water, you know, magnetism. We have our exposures to chemicals, et cetera. And then that all kind of comes down and we can measure all of the metabolites

or all the factors that get released, all the byproducts of those things in our body. And we can measure all of those things, right? So that's the idea is like this, it's called the, it's the big word is Salyu Neo-Tenoholo Biontology. It's basically the idea of trying to make your body and your cells optimized by looking at them as a younger version of you. So not just optimizing you for the age that you are,

but the age that you want to be, which is when you're fully optimized between 20 and 30 years of age. Like I don't want my hormones to be somebody that's 45 years old. I want my hormones- You're not a healthy 50 year old. Yeah, fuck that. Healthy 50 year old. Why do you want to be a normal 50 year old? And you got to realize, actually people don't know this, but like a lot of the ranges that you get when you get your laboratory analysis, like whether it be from obviously conventional labs,

but also in laboratory analysis from a lot of these functional labs out there, they're giving you a range of normal between 18 to 65 and sometimes even longer than that. Like sometimes it's 10 to 90. And so like, why do you want to have a normal range within that range? You want to have a normal range within a range that's smaller, that's within the context of the range that you'd want to be optimal, right? So that means a range

for us between 18 and 30 years of age. So that's where we start. And then you continue with the optimization side of things, and then you add on everything that you need. And so for me, that's the hyperbaric oxygen therapy piece. And so that's the main therapy that I use, but I often say it's the smoke screen for optimizing people's health, right? Because they come to see me, they say, hey, I've just got to have migraines, or I have chronic fatigue or chronic Lyme infection, whatever you want to say, or I'm an elite athlete and I just want to perform better and recover better. And I see everybody in between. But the first step always, unless it's an acute issue, because if it's an acute issue, getting into the chamber is going to make you heal faster. I mean, if you have acute inflammation,

acute trauma, you know, you've had acute surgery, whether it's a knee, hip. Cheryl Owens in the Superbowl, I think in 2000, right? Really put it on the map because she's sleeping in one every single night. He had the high ankle sprain in the championship. And this is what got him on the field for the Super Bowl. Exactly, yeah. So you have a lot of stories like that on the high end athlete side. And I work with a lot of athletes that have got back on the field

within about 50% less time than they anticipated, meaning that they got back 50% closer to when they had their injury, as opposed to what the doctor said that it would be potentially. So, and it's a fantastic healing modality, right? So you put people into the chambers, you hyper-oxygenate them and acutely,

like it decreases inflammation, decreases swelling. It's gonna help the whole body heal faster, revs up the whole system for wound healing, releases stem cells, et cetera. So it's got all these major stimuli to increase healing and optimize healing. But over the longterm, if you have like a chronic issue, if you have, or you just wanna live forever or live longer

and not be decrepit, right? So that's the other thing, right? You don't wanna just live forever. You also wanna have eternal youth is something that we also say. And the chambers are great at optimizing your physiology, but only if you have the mechanisms in place, you have the machinery,

the scaffolding in place to be able to do that. And then what it can do is it can decrease inflammatory markers. It can help with new blood vessel formation. mechanisms in place. You have the machinery, the scaffolding in place to be able to do that. And then what it can do is it can decrease inflammatory markers. It can help with new blood vessel formation. It gets stem cells released and you get all these new cells developing all the areas that you've had degeneration and inflammation. You have also the anti-infective capacity of being in a hyperbaric chamber because it gives you more oxygen. And a lot of bugs, especially bugs in your mouth and your gut and other places do not like high oxygen environments. Lime is another bug and staph and a couple others like that do not like high oxygen environments. And it also

increases flow because we think it increases something called easy water. I'm not sure if you're familiar, but it's a concept that came out of the University of Washington. Pollock? Yeah, Gerald Pollock. And he talks about easy water. And it's basically polarized water around what are called lipophilic membranes. And it's like a fat loving membrane. And one of those is your blood vessels. The idea is that if the heart,

this is another concept by another, or like anthroposcopic guy, his name is Tom Cowan. Tom Cowan's been on the podcast. Human heart, cosmic heart. Yeah, yeah, Tom, I met Tom early when I moved to San Francisco. And he had just these amazing ideas of like the heart not being heart. Yeah, yeah. I met Tom early when I moved to San Francisco and he had just these amazing ideas of like the heart not being an actual pump,

but being more of a, like a highway kind of deal. And he's right. If like at the heart were to pump as hard as it needed to pump to pump through all of your blood vessels, you know, miles and miles of blood vessels, you'd have to pump extremely hard, like much harder than it does now would just burst out of your chest.

So the idea is there's local factors around these blood vessels around your body that are helping you create the flow. And this is what we think is happening with what's called easy water. And so hyperbaric therapy, both the oxygen and the pressure together, both seem to create more easy water as well.

And so as a result of that, you get more flow within your blood vessels, whether they be your blood vessels or your lymphatics as well. So you're increasing flow in and you're increasing flow out as well. So the idea then is that you're creating this whole shift in your metabolism, you're shifting your biology

so that you're creating a healing process, a healing vessel, but you need to have that basic stuff done because you can't make energy well, like I said, if you don't have the right vitamins, minerals and nutrients for your mitochondria to work well. If your mitochondria are screwed up, like you're not making energy well,

then you have to think about how you can make those mitochondria work better. And that's where I started integrating some of the products as well that we have, like you mentioned just blue in the beginning. Methylene blue specifically is a fantastic mitochondrial optimizer. In fact, it bypasses the first two complexes

in your mitochondria. And so if those are screwed up, metformin does that too, actually. It screws up your first complex, but somehow we think that's a hormetic kind of stress. And so that helps people, especially with diabetes and other people that have insulin resistance. But so for me, it's always like, let's look at that foundational stuff first, and then how can we optimize so that you can make energy well? And so one of the ways I do that is using methylene blue, for example, in this context where I give people methylene blue ahead of time so they can make energy more effectively.

Or if we need to help them sort of on a detox side of things, we can also give it afterwards because methylene blue has this amazing ability to actually increase your antioxidant reserve at the same time. So like big picture for me, it's like not about just getting into a hyperbaric chamber.

It's about what are you doing before, during, and after to kind of optimize that using the health optimization medicine framework to start off with. And then as people are going through their protocols or whatever, and then you add in other technologies, other practices. So you have your cold, you have your sauna,

you have your, you know, pimp devices, you have your methylene blue. And then I just create these protocols for people and for clinics all around the world. So. That is fantastic. Well, you just touched a bit on a lot of the benefits around hyperbaric oxygen. I was, I think, in college football when they played.

It might have been 2001. It wasn't 2000. But whenever they played in the Super Bowl and he healed from that, that kind of put it on my radar. And then being a college athlete, but also sitting the bench at ASU, there was no rhyme or reason for me ever getting in one of the tanks. Sure. And then when I got into fighting, I remembered a couple of guys saying like, hey, get in the tank if you get hurt.

Yeah. It might've been Daniel Cormier actually. And he told me about Bay Area Hyperbaric or something like that. I can't remember the name of the place. Yeah. In San Jose. Yeah. Prescription necessary. Get in there and it's you know the full big ass tank you know not the little sleeve yeah and and that was full-on like it felt night and day different there was almost a high being in it where i was just like wow this is working and um and i could i felt like i could heal you know at the time in MMA, we chronically over-trained all the fucking time.

We even had Dana White, I remember, calling AKA out, specifically the gym that I was at, saying, you guys don't know when to quit. You always get hurt before a fight. You're over-training. Is that in San Jose, that place? Yeah. I talked to those guys.

It's still one of the best gyms in the world. I trained there with Cain Velasquez, Daniel Korn, many, many guys that went on to become champion. But Hyperbreaker Oxygen, my first take with it, mid-camp, already depleted, already burning the candles at both end, overtraining, likely under eating because I had to make weight,

not sleeping great because of the overtraining and also because of the worry of on this date, so-and-so's going to potentially beat my ass. All those factors in. And that was, yeah, a breath of fresh air is a kind of a funny pun, but it really was because it was like, oh, I can breathe in here.

And, you know, from the global picture of what my training camp looked like, I now have a tool in the arsenal that will allow me to train like an asshole and get away with it. You know, like I can show up to practice the next day fully ready to go and having healed from all the ticky tech shit. You talk about acute injury, anything that's not acute, like a bruise, it would be an acute bruise, but how many times I get kicked in the leg from cane, that matters if I'm sparring three days a week. It's going going to add up over time, right? And so that ability was the first time where I really experienced something that was

a night and day difference in my approach to a sport that really takes the most out of all sports, that one probably taxes you the most mentally and physically. And that was incredible, absolutely incredible. Yeah. It's important that people realize that, I mean, that the chambers are fantastic healing modalities and they can really get you recovered about 50% faster in general, if you're using it appropriately. But the challenge is when you're over-trained

is that you're also over-oxidized. And so your body is under a sort of an inflammatory load. So you gotta be careful also, because if you're highly, if you're not recovering, the chamber can help you. But if you go too deep in the chamber, I've also had the opposite happen, where people can't go to their practice the next day,

or they can't play in their tennis match, for example. So there's like a bit of a sweet spot. So, I mean, you mentioned a little bit about the bag chambers versus the medical grade chambers. And I'll just put one little point on that, is that there are these units you can get for your house. They go to 1.3 atmospheres. They're called mild units. Basically I have one at my house, for example, and these are less pressure, less oxygen. And I find for like day-to-day recovery kinds of things,

unless you have a severe or significant injury, these chambers are good for most people because they help with neurocognitive optimization. They help your brain function better. That's for sure. And then also they do help with day-to-day muscle recovery, jet lag, the basic things that all of us need these days. And then the nice thing about the mild units is that you can bring things in there with you. So you can bring in, like I'll bring in my Theragun,

or I'll bring in like this cupping device that I have to put on my back, or you can bring in your meditation devices, or you can bring in your breath work kinds of things too. And so there's a lot of other people that I've spoken to over the years that are now starting to utilize the chambers as like a, like a no extra time kind of thing where they bring, they bring their work in there sometimes. Like I've done podcasts inside my chamber before, just, just, just, just as like,

you know, as a funny kind of thing to do. But, but in general, the nice thing about the mild units is that they can do the day-to-day kinds of things. Cool. And then they don't tax the system too much because it's not too much oxygen, too much pressure. But you go start going down deeper now, like to the two atmosphere pressure, which is kind of where most of the research has been done in the field. And like, that's a fantastic pressure for almost any kind of healing that you need. The more pressure you give, the more stem cells that are released. So 2.0, 2.4, you know, stem cells are the cells that can go anywhere, make new tissue that's required.

And I call it like our scaffolding building, builder being in the chamber. And like, that's what they've seen in studies actually. Like you can rebuild vasculature, your blood vessels in your brain, around your heart. And my favorite picture to show in lectures is a picture, an MRI, it's called a functional MRI. So it's an MRI that's looking at metabolic flow

of the penis before and after. Yeah, because they did a study on looking at erections. So, you know, getting an hyperbaric chamber is your natural Viagra kind of thing, but it doesn't just last three hours. It's like, you know, it lasts, right? So that's the nice thing about being in the chamber. It's a systemic optimization, blood flow kind of deal.

So brain, heart, so VO2 max goes up for people and for athletes that use the chamber regularly along with blood flow into the genital region as well. So I've had people call me, they get into the mild units even, they go, Dr. Scott, was I supposed to get an amazing erection in this chamber? And I was like, bring your wife.

Yeah, I was gonna say, is there any couples getting into that mild chamber at the same time? Well, you know about the mile high club? I call it the mile deep club. The mile deep club. Yeah, the mile deep club. I like that.

So again, the chambers are big enough for two people. Oftentimes, it depends on the type of chamber you get. Now, the mild chambers are typically in the $20,000 to $30,000 range. Is that right? A little bit lower than that. It's somewhere of about $10,000 to $23,000. Oh, that's not bad.

I mean, ice baths are getting there now. Yeah, I know. Well, depending on what kind of Mercedes ice bath you get. Yes, but yeah, so that's the price. And so my deal was, I've been around this stuff for a long time. And so I wanted to create a company that could work on helping people

work the optimization side of things and also understand like how to actually use the chamber. Because what happens now, it's like it's the wild west when it comes to those kinds of chambers out there everybody's getting them in their in their garages even though they can't fit them like you um this needs to be inside this particular thing but um but everybody gets them but nobody really knows how to use them because the companies uh they don't necessarily tell you what to do or that the chambers can be helpful for you they're just trying to sell you chambers there's a pretty good

commission structure for most of these companies and the resellers and all that shit that comes down to it. So I end up talking to people that have been using the chamber inappropriately for months or even years at times. And so I have a company that's called OneBase and we're trying to help people know how to use these chambers more effectively

and then create some technology on the chambers to make them more smart, smarter technology. So that you can use it all from your phone and then you can monitor everything. And then we have some new additional tech that's going to be coming out that's going to help with the chambers working better. Because my deal always is like, the chambers are great, but if you want to do everything that you really truly need to do to optimize over the long term, the chambers are only going to get you so far. And so that's why, you know, you have lights, you have sauna, you have, you know, PEMP devices and things like that. Yeah, I imagine all the things that you're utilizing to optimize someone's hyperbaric experience are things you would normally use

to optimize somebody's ability to utilize oxygen in the real world and just be a better person, right? It's exactly what it is. It's a smokescreen of that. But it all starts with the basic health optimization medicine framework for me, if they're willing to go through that process. Because that's really where you're gonna be able

to see the most sustainable benefit. I mean, they did a study in Israel where they did 60 hyperbaric sessions, six zero over three months. So Monday through Friday, two days off for three months. And they did a two atmospheres of pressure and they didn't change their diet. They didn't change their lifestyle.

And he said, do whatever the fuck you usually do. Just come in the chamber for three months. And in Israel, I guess you can get people to come for three months of their life. It's a lot of time. Probably wasn't a mask. Yeah, no, that's the thing, right? In Israel, you just do it. And so what they found is that because of that, just those 60 days or just three months of hyperbaric therapy, telomere length went up significantly and their senescent cell populations went down dramatically. And so these are markers of aging, right? These markers that telomere length went up significantly and their senescent cell populations went down dramatically. And so like these are markers of aging, right? These markers that telomere length goes down as we get older, senescent cell populations, these are called like zombie cells. These are cells

that build up in our body as we get older. They don't function, they don't die, but they don't function and they cause inflammation associated with cancer, neurodegeneration, death, et cetera. And so coming down on those types of cells is extremely important. It's one of the first technologies to ever show that you can actually decrease your senescent cell populations within this, using this technology. And so everybody's very excited about it.

And I was like, well, this is just like the, this is fucking low-hanging fruit. If you think about it, like it didn't do anything. They just go in the hyperbaric chamber. Number one, how long do these results last? You know, nobody knows. Number two, if you started optimizing them at that foundational level first

or at the same time, for example, in parallel, what potential you could see there? And that's what got me excited because I was like, well, this study is gonna get a lot of press and it did. And then now people are coming to me and asking about getting into the chamber for their anti-aging.

And I'm like, well, that's great, but how long is it gonna last if you're still drinking alcohol every day and going to McDonald's or not sleeping well or not optimizing your vitamins, minerals and nutrients and making energy effectively. So, and then we have the conversation that, like I often say like 80 to 90% of my conversations

with people has nothing to do with hyperbaric therapy at all. It has to do with all the things that we're talking about here, because if you're doing all that stuff, then the chambers are just, you know, you know, icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. So that's when, you know, we'll talk about, you know, optimizing from a health optimization perspective. We'll talk about things like methylene blue, for example, which kind of help optimize the system too. And that's how I approach

it because I mean, everybody thinks that there's like a magic bullet when it comes to their health and, you know, methylene blue might be close. It's damn close. It's close, but there really isn't one for everybody, right? And so that's why the conversation always has to be like, you know, walking it back. You know, Dr. Ted likes to say that he doesn't like to meet people where they are.

They meet him where he is. But I like to say that, you know, and on some level, like you have to meet people kind of where they are, they think they are, and then, you know, bring them to a level where, you know, where we want them to go. So. Yeah, I like that. What would, and a question I had for Dr. Ted earlier, but didn't get to ask, but when you're looking at metabolomics, that's a test. Is it a urine test? I remember taking a urine test back in the day. It likely wasn't the same thing. But a comprehensive metabolic panel, I want to say it was. So it looked at some of the metabolic markers in urine. Is it something similar to that?

Obviously more comprehensive. Yeah. So comprehensive metabolic panel, a CMP, is usually a blood test. That's a basic blood test or comprehensive. No, it wasn't that one then. I'm totally missing the fucking name. No, it's probably organic acid testing. Organic acid. That was what it was. The blood test. You know, like that's a basic blood test or comprehensive. No, it wasn't that one then. I'm totally missing the fucking name. No, it's probably organic acid testing. Organic acid, that was what it was, the O test. So that's a big part of looking at metabolomic markers

is looking at the organic acids. And so we use a company called Genova Diagnostics, which is a company out of North Carolina. And they use those ranges that I was talking about before, which is 18 to 30 instead of 18 to 65 or 10 to 90 or whatever that you'll find in a lot of other labs. So that's our basic test. The basic is the organic acid test,

but it's not looking at it in the context of disease. It's looking at it in the context of health. So we interpret it differently than you would interpret it if you went to your functional medicine provider or I don't even think conventional doctors use the organic acid test, but we use that.

We use plasma amino acids. We use mineral levels. We look at toxins. We look at fatty acids, your omega-3, omega-6, omega-9, and omega-7, those kinds of things as well. So look at all those markers together. And then we look at gut health as well. We look at GI health,

looking at the microbiota specifically, and then also how well you're digesting your foods, how well you are producing certain types of markers in your gut that are for health. They're called short chain fatty acids, for example, that are really important for your gut health. One of the biggest ones called butyrate, which you probably know as hydroxybutyrate,

which is the one that increases when you fast, but also it's produced by the gut bacteria and actually works on what's called your epigenetics. It changes how your genes are expressed in a more healthy way, for example. And that's why butyrate is very important as a fuel source for your body as an epigenetic modifier, but also as a fuel source for your gut lining as well. And there was a great article that was written a couple of years ago called Super Poopers and like a play on super troopers. And the people that are super poopers

are the ones that have high butyrate content in their stool. And that also is a longevity marker for the reasons that we're mentioning before. So we usually use a metabolomics testing is called the NutriVal from Genova. That's what we typically use. And like that has the full array of metabolic markers, that's blood and urine. And then we look at, um, okay, your stool testing. So that's a three-day stool sample. Comprehensive stool analysis. Yeah. Yeah. You

shit in the box. I remember doing, the last time I did this, uh, at a functional medicine doctor in California that recommended the oat test and then, uh then the stool one, which the stool one was more than just I think a lot of the probiotic companies would have you just wipe your ass, then roll up the Q-tip on it, right? And then you pass that off

and that's your stool analysis. This was like shit on a paper plate and spoon it into three different fucking jars. Man, we're getting real scientific here. We're digging in here. We're going to find out some information. That did show a lot, but that was 2014. So I'm super curious to do this again because it's been almost 10 years now.

Yeah, we'd be happy to take you through it and see. I mean, the idea is to create a comprehensive analysis on the data points using the GI testing, the metabolomic testing from the NutriVal. And then we also use food sensitivity testing as well. There's some controversy on food sensitivity testing. My wife is an allergist, especially. So she and I have heated conversations about what this means.

So the differing views would be like, if you see something where you have potential food allergens, this is, I'm trying to frame the argument. I'm guessing from what I've heard amongst health professionals is that you could potentially, if you have leaky gut or some other dysbiosis, you could potentially show an allergy to fucking everything, right? Because those food particles are making it through and you have effectively have- Do you want to get trained? We need to train you. You're already ready.

That is the question, right? So like, is it real for now? Sure. Your body doesn't like egg. It's getting through, but is it real long-term? Possibly not. Yeah. That's a good point. Would that be correct? Yeah. No, that's a great way to describe it. If I see somebody that comes in with like 30 different sensitivities on their panel, like that's leaky gut, leaky gut, leaky gut. That's what it is. And so the idea is that, yeah, truly it's a, excuse me, it's a chicken before the egg scenario is what I often say. It's like, was the gut already inflamed and leaky?

And then these foods are just making it worse. Or is it the foods themselves that are causing your gut to be inflamed and leaky? And as a result, the whole process is happening. So you don't know until you take out those particular foods or go on a diet that's more stricter in the sense of inflammatory types of things. And there's lots of different ones. There's FODMAPs, there's autoimmune paleo, and there's

others, especially if you have a leaky gut. But then you take out those foods and then you also heal the gut using an array of things that we do in our framework to help optimize gut function, seal up the gut. There's lots of different ways to do that. Growth hormone does that really well, actually, if you take growth hormone for 30 days. What about IGF-1? If you take the peptides, like you're talking about the peptides or- IGF-1 LR3. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I'm not sure about that one directly, but I know that if you take the analogs, the peptides, like the growth hormone analogs, those will potentially help as well. I'm getting a thumbs up from Dr. Ted back there. There you go, yeah, there you go. That's good news. Phone a friend, the brilliant friend, yes, and colleague.

But yeah, so the idea is that you wanna seal up the gut and you wanna optimize your diet at the same time. So you're taking out the foods that might be sensitive to, but the main controversy in the sort of the allergy world is like, what do you have an allergy to? And what do you have a sensitivity to? And what do you have an intolerance to? Like they get like very like granular here.

Yeah, I have a gluten sensitivity, right? I don't shit my pants when I have gluten. I don't have, you know, I can't stop breathing. You know, it's like, it's just, I do swell from it, which is funny. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. A little bit of edema, you know, I can stick like a quarter of my thumbnail

all the way into my shin and hold for like three minutes. Interesting. Huh, all that from six beers, you know, like that's a fucking problem. Yeah, it's just six. Just six beers. Well, I mean, that's a country fried steak and eggs. You know, it's like one slippery slope. Pizza in New York, I can count on it.

Yeah, when I was in Baltimore, like we did the crabs and everything like that. And so that's where I trained and like the beer crabs, beer crabs, it's like such salty crabs, right? You're opening up these crabs, you're drinking beer, like, you know, six, seven beers later, you don't even know. But like as a kid, like when you're young,

you can compensate. Even if you have some gluten sensitivities, I didn't even know that I was gluten sensitive until like maybe seven or eight years ago. Yeah, I grew up on gluten. Yeah, of course, I mean- Three squares. Yeah, there you go.

And then the gluten was like the white bread, but like really, I had like so much fucking gluten in it, it was basically a gluten bomb, right? And like that's, kids are amazing. Like until you get to be around 25 or 30 years of age, like you can pretty much compensate. Although, you know, younger and younger people now we're seeing deteriorate

because of just starting so young with just, you know, the glyphosate in the food and just the hormones in the food and just the toxicity. That's a different game. Yeah, you add in that, you know. Yeah. There's so much, you guys know this inside and and out but like there continues to be a circling around with genetically

modified and like the the thing is we're all wolf said it best we don't know what genetically modified food does to us yeah there's no it's not the devil it's not maybe it's good maybe it's not good but what we know is they are purposely making it to withstand more glyphosate. Yeah. That's why it's engineered. Well, they have to, right? It's not engineered for anything but profit. And with that, they're creating the seeds

and they're also the same people that create the fucking chemicals that they're going to be asked to spray 50 times more of. Yeah, I know. I just think about how much, like they're trying to leach minerals, right? From the soil with the glyphosate. So like, what is it doing in your body at the same time?

You know? So we don't know, like you said, we don't know. And so, I mean, I think that we're seeing now is just, you know, kids and young adults that I would never have imagined. Like when we were younger, I'm around the same age as you, I think, like they just wouldn't have been sick, right? Because they can have like, you know, the white bread, they can have all this shit, but like, it wasn't,

it just wasn't as toxic as it is now, just because they've added so many additional things since we were younger. And so like, we're seeing people that are much younger that are much less optimized than you'd imagine. But in general, like you can do pretty well until you're a certain age and then things start, you reach that threshold, whatever that threshold might be.

It might be an injury. It might be an infection. You know, it might be a viral infection like COVID, for example, like in these young kids, like with post-COVID syndrome and things like, it's just amazing that, and these are young kids that are having these, even younger, like, you know, 12, 13 years old things like it's just amazing that, and these are young kids that are having these, even younger, like 12, 13 years old.

And it's like, it's because their biologies are already fucked because of what they've been doing, you know, what their parents have, you know, not been doing on purpose, of course, but like that's just the end of the food supply and what we have. So anyway, but into the allergy side of things, you know, we're always looking at that spectrum here

of the true allergy, which is the, like the immediate symptoms. And then you have like the intolerance, which is the immediate symptoms. And then you have the intolerance, which is you can have a certain amount of it, but you only can have a certain amount. And then the sensitivity, which is something like gluten for you and for me, it's the same deal. So we look at all of that and then we look at all the foods that you're eating, your gut, we look at the metabolome itself, and we create a health optimization plan for you using those data markers, but then also using the other aspects

of the certification course that we've developed. So looking at like the exposome, the toxins in your environment, your epigenetics, how that all plays into your daily habits, your exercise, your sleep, et cetera. And then we have one specifically for sleep called chronobiology. So looking at circadian rhythms

and looking at other rhythms as well. And then we're bringing that all together for you in a health optimization plan. And that's focused on the data, but then also focused on the diet, the lifestyle, the things that are also really important for your sustainable health. But the key though,

and I think Dr. Ted mentioned this, is that like that can take a while. It can take a while for somebody to feel better using that framework. And so it's a sustainable plan, but it takes a while. So I've had people that it's taken me a couple of years to fix their gut. But like during that time, they start feeling better,

sometimes a little bit worse even, because as you're cleaning things up, you can feel worse at times. And so- Yeah, parasites and candida do not go out without a bang. Yeah, oftentimes there can be a bang, definitely a fireworks kind of thing. And so like a lot of bloating can happen.

And so that's why it's really important to have other things along the way to help them along the process. And that's why Transcriptions was developed, the for-profit company to make products that could be things that you could use right now to optimize your brain, optimize your mitochondria, and help you with anxiety for now

or your anxiousness to be clear. And then other things like sleep and pain and other things going down the road. But we all need those things right now, but like we're always very careful. And I'm always very careful to always say that like the things we're using, the products that we have are used within the context of optimizing your health. And so we'll sometimes get people that'll, so blue canatine is our nootropic, it's our limitless pill, as we say, and it launches you into focus, productivity, memory, verbal fluidity for about three to five hours. But then, you know, it can really work well for people that

are relatively well-optimized or people that are kind of on the cusp, but that are still doing okay. But people that are not doing well do not do well with Flucanitin because it'll give them a headache. They'll feel more like they'll feel jittery, even though that we created in a way that it shouldn't make most people feel jittery because it has CBD in there too, along with nicotine, caffeine, and methylene blue. And so, but the people that do have a reaction to it, like that's diagnostic for me, you know, in the sense that if,

and then also, especially if you're taking it without all the stimulants, so it does have stimulants in there, it has nicotine and caffeine. Then we have the Just Blue, which is the one I think you liked that caused your veneer. That's because I use a little bit more nicotine and a little bit more CBD and a little bit more caffeine. So it's

like, give me a little bit more methylene blue and I'll stack the rest on my own. That's perfect. I would love for you to deep dive or shallow dive each of those ingredients. Sure. Because I've mentioned, I think having Dr. Ted on twice now, we've just grazed the tip of the iceberg with methylene blue. But if you're watching this and you see my blue fucking teeth that I have for three weeks, clearly, I don't know if I would have made it. It's worth it. It really is worth it.

Especially in the absence of caffeine, it is absolutely worth it. I'm not going to compete on a high level again in fighting. I have no delusions of grandeur about making a comeback during that. I don't want that. No, i don't want to get hit in the head again but at the same time um if i optimize my mitochondria i'm optimizing my brain yeah i'm optimizing my heart i'm optimizing my recovery and your muscle too these all work you know in separate pathways that have you know they work like a beautiful symphony together yeah the universal common denominator is your

mitochondria right so and then methylene blue blue is a fantastic mitochondrial optimizer. So this is a compound that was invented as a textile back in the mid 1800s. And then somehow maybe they were on drugs, they figured out that it treated malaria. I don't know how, but higher doses of methylene blue treated malaria. And so as a result of that, it became the antibiotic antiviral, the antimicrobial that existed before there were such things. So like even up until World War II, into the Pacific theater, the airmen over there had to bring methylene blue with them

as their antibiotic and antiviral and antifungal because it worked so well. But they had stories about how it turned your urine blue because methylene blue concentrates in your urine after you take it orally or even in the IV, it doesn't matter. It'll concentrate in your bladder. And so you will urinate blue urine.

And so they had stories about their blue urine while they were traveling through the Pacific and doing what they did during the war. So, and then methylene blue from there became much more, it shifted after the antibiotics and antivirals and antifungals came along in the 1950s because nobody really wanted to be blue anymore. And so they had these drugs that worked just as well, but did all nuclear damage to your gut and everything else that we now know now that we now

know. But, you know, when penicillin was, you know, was invented, it was a big deal and, you know, it still is a big deal. We need these things when we need them. But anyway, so methylene blue transitioned from being a, like antimicrobial to be more of a, it initially became a stain for laboratory analysis. And then they realized that it was staining the mitocondria. It still works as a stain. It still does, yeah, as we know. Your teeth are a good example of that. And we also know that it's actually in your cells, it stains one specific area, your mitochondria.

And then over the last several decades, we've realized that it has this ability. It's an amazing ability and it has the ability to increase the amount of energy you make in your mitochondria by increasing the production or increasing the workings of a particular complex on your mitochondria called cytochrome oxidase. And it actually increases the ability for this thing to turn faster and also make more electrons pass through to help you make more energy and make more ATP at the other end of it. So not only does it do that, it increases energy production that way.

It also helps with how oxygen is attached to your hemoglobin molecule on your red blood cell so that more oxygen gets dumped into your tissue. In fact, it helps if you have carbon monoxide poisoning or if this ever happens to you in Texas, cyanide poisoning. So if you ever get cyanide poisoning, methylene blue helps because it actually bypasses the first couple of complexes of your mitochondria and helps you make more energy regardless if the first two aren't working very well. So as a result of that, it helps make more energy. And at the same time as making more energy, it also does the antioxidant reserve piece

as well. So when you're making energy, you're also making what we call waste products of energy metabolism. And then one of those things can be reactive oxygen species, ROS. And so those are good in small doses. We need those for signaling and they help in various ways, but in too much, it can also cause rusting of the system and inflammation. And so methylene blue helps by actually making it itself an antioxidant at the same time. So it helps donate electrons and then it actually accepts them at the same time. So it's called electron cycler. So it's doing them both. It helps you make more energy. It helps produce more energy in the cells and that it helps you detox from the energy that you make.

And so it's been around a long time, as I said, and now the research has kind of developed into a lot of work that's being done in the brain. Because we know we have a lot of mitochondria in your brain, a lot of mitochondria in your heart, in your liver, and also obviously in your muscles. That's where you have your most mitochondria. So we know that's where methylene blue is concentrating because that's where the methylene blue needs to go, where there is more mitochondria. So there's some interesting work that's being done in Alzheimer's and also mild cognitive impairment. There's some drugs that are gonna be coming out relatively soon as well

that focus on derivations of methylene blue for cognitive function. And there's a researcher down at actually UT Austin right here, his name is Francisco Gonzalez Lima. And he's done a lot of great work looking at models of Alzheimer's disease being a blood flow issue. So if you increase the amount of capacity to get more energy in your cells, even if there's not as much blood flow, you could potentially increase the brain function itself.

And there's some work that's being done on nitric oxide now too with low dose methylene blue. And we think that what happens with the oxygen consumption is that you're also, you're creating a stimulus for the areas that are consuming oxygen to dilate blood vessels by increasing nitric oxide, because the body's a, it's a highway system, but there's lots of, they're called sphincters.

That's a great word. That's sphincter says. What? Yes, exactly. Yeah, good stuff, Wayne's World, right? So, but the sphincters block blood flow or they decrease the amount of blood flow that gets to tissue world, right? So, but the sphincter is block blood flow or they decrease the amount of blood flow that gets to tissue.

Unless that tissue is required, then that sphincter opens and then more blood vessel goes, more blood flow will go to those blood vessels. And the key for that is nitric oxide. And so at low doses, methylene blue seems to, as a result of the oxygen consumption piece,

increase the amount of vasodilation in that area that's consuming the oxygen. So we have that ability. So like in an Alzheimer's model, we used to think they used to be related to these plaques. They call like the amyloid plaques and the tau tangles and all this, actually all this research was just debunked in the last couple months

by a researcher who went back to the original papers and saw that all the images were forged, crazily enough. Wait, so the argument for amyloid plaque and tau proteins causing Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, dementia is not the case? It's not the case. Whoa, wow. We think it's part of the process.

Okay. And it's certainly, but like these research papers that came out about 20 years ago, billions of dollars were spent as a result of their recommendations or their conclusions on that this being the cause of Alzheimer's.

And so when I was in medical school, that's what I learned. I learned that Alzheimer's was caused by these plaques and tangles and amyloid and stuff. And it's certainly what we think is a reactive component in the sense that we think that the amyloid and the tau happen because of reactivity. And there's a guy named Dale Bredesen,

who's a pretty, he's pretty well-known. He's got a book called, I think, The End of Alzheimer's Now. And he talks about Alzheimer's being like four or five different types of diseases probably, but the end result is the plaques and the tangles. It's not the inciting reason for Alzheimer's itself, interestingly enough.

And so, yeah, it was crazy. Like all this research was forged, all these images were forged, and it's like, it's been a big deal in the research community because obviously it's publish or die in the research community. And so if you publish something like that, it's a big deal. But obviously like billions of dollars have been spent on research that was misguided.

Yeah, and so much education has gone on since then, right? Yeah, yeah. I think I remember watching a documentary on Netflix. It was a follow-up on cannabis. There's a Japanese scientist who was giving his cancer patients cannabis, and they didn't like Marinol, the prescription, so they wanted to smoke. And he said, okay, cool, but the understanding is that

this is going to mess up your brain. We know it hurts short-term memory loss and things like that. So we started looking at the brain under fMRI and saw that it was actually aiding the brain as an anti-inflammatory THC and also clearing amyloid plaque and taupe proteins, right? And then the retroactive studies the NFL did show that people who got concussions that were active smokers got back onto the field so much faster than people who were intermittent smokers of cannabis, right? Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, the question becomes like,

if you clear the stuff out, does that help? And the answer from the research is no. Like they've done some studies and that these drugs have failed. I'm sure THC is working a whole number of different pathways as well, right? Totally, yeah. I mean, I'm just saying

from like the amyloid plaque clearance thing, like there's been lots of drugs that came down the pipeline, you know, blockbuster potential drugs that didn't work. And that's because- On Alzheimer's. Yeah, on Alzheimer's. Because for that reason is that it's not about,

it's not an amyloid and it's how protein thing, it's something more underlying that caused it, right? So, but you know, methylene blue seems to be something that, you know, helps with flow, helps with blood flow, and it also helps with energy production. So it's very interesting. It's very early days, but there's some really interesting studies

that are going on there. And the dosing that they use is the same dosing that we're using in our products, basically. And we use 16 milligrams of methylene blue, which is a lower dose. I mean, the methylene blue dosing can range anywhere from like where we are up to about four milligrams per kilogram

and still have like a significant therapeutic window. But it's also, there's also a hormetic response in the sense that above three milligrams per kilogram, it becomes extremely, basically purely oxidative in the sense that it causes like an inflammatory load or an oxidative stress to the system. And that's actually been used clinically for things like sepsis, for example.

So when in a septic shock, your blood vessels dilate so badly that you can't maintain your blood pressure. And so we can use methylene blue to actually constrict down your blood vessels because it depletes nitric oxide. In a high dose. Yeah, at high dose.

But at lower doses that what we're using, it's brain function, it's mitochondrial optimization, it's antioxidant reserve. And so that's like our main molecule that we have, our main compound that we use, both in our pure methylene blue trochee called Just Blue, the one that veneered you blue. And then the other one that we have is called Blue Canitine.

And that one has methylene blue plus nicotine, caffeine, and CBD. And I know you're a big fan of nicotine as well, but people have a misconstrued notion that nicotine is bad for you in all cases. And the answer is it's not bad for you in all cases, especially if you're using low dose and you're not smoking or vaping it. The problem with smoking and vaping is it hits you immediately. And then as a result of that, you get the immediate dopamine hit that happens with

nicotine because what nicotine does is it stimulates receptors in your brain called acetylcholine receptors. And those receptors, when they're stimulated, they release your dopamine, your norepinephrine, and your serotonin. So you feel good. And if that's like that immediate dopamine hit, it can cause addiction. But if you use it low dose-

And there's weird fucking peculated oils and shit in these vape pens, right? Well, yeah, exactly. You're sucking down oil right into your lungs. It's a whole different ballgame. The oils and the additives and cigarettes too. It's like, those are carcinogenic, we know, and they also enhance the addictive capacity. And that's how cigarettes were bred artificially with various crops over the years to make them higher in some of these additional, higher

nicotine, but also higher in some of these additives that help enhance the addictive potential of nicotine itself. So yeah, so you want to avoid all those things for sure. And so we use a pharmaceutical grade, non-tobacco derived synthetic nicotine in our product. And we use just one milligram per trochee. And that, you know, most dosing for people is about a half of a trochee at a time.

So that's just a half a milligram. Then it's dissolving over 15 to 30 minutes in your mouth. And as a result of that, you know, the odds that you get addicted to it are extremely low. I think that the studies showed over about five milligrams of nicotine per day is potential for addiction and that's smoking or vaping it. And a cigarette is at least six milligrams per cigarette

up to 25 milligrams per cigarette, depending on the cigarette. And then also the vaping products, it's just concentrated nicotine with the oil. So it's much higher. People are, I mean, on average, I've talked to people And then also the vaping products, like, you know, it's just concentrated nicotine with the oil, so it's much higher. People are, I mean, on average, like, I mean, I've talked to people that have done the vaping

on like the Jules and shit like that. It's like, you know, 25 to 75 milligrams per day of nicotine is what you get, you know, when you're vaping like that. So, and like, they're called pods. I don't really understand the whole thing, but anyway, avoiding anything as far as I'm concerned that's smoked or vaped is a good idea.

Even your cannabis. I think cannabis would be even THC and CBD is probably better. Although if you have like a lot of pain, like I think for people that have chronic pain, like vaped THC is great because it does really help very quickly for people. But the nicotine itself is very low dose

and just one milligram. And then we have caffeine in there, 50 milligrams, just a quarter cup of coffee equivalent. Then we have the CBD. And the CBD in there is for neuroprotection. And it's also for kind of rounding out the edges of what nicotine and caffeine can sometimes do for people, make them feel like they're jittery and things like that.

But in general, for people that are pretty well optimized, like they won't feel that jitteriness on our formula, but people can get headaches with stimulants like nicotine and caffeine, or even just methylene blue by itself. If you're extremely toxic, I've had people tell me that they feel worse on methylene blue. And that's usually when somebody is pretty toxic overall. They have to have a lot of that health optimization piece in place really to be able to fully, if their mitochondria is fully fucked, if they're all complexes are not working well, methylene blue is not going to be able to fully, if their mitochondria is fully fucked, if they're all complexes are not working well, methylene blue is not gonna be able to help either.

So it's just, for me in a clinical practice, I use all these things with my patients, right? So I'm like, I'm always on the hyperbaric framework, but like the before, during and after, and oftentimes now I'm doing a lot of, using a lot of methylene blue. And so like, I'm always very careful depending on what their cellular machinery is looking at

and looking like before I start adding things on, even methylene blue, for example. So yeah, and so that's the blue canatine. Then we have the just blue, which is purely methylene blue. And then we have our other formula, which is our trocom, which is it's kava, CBD, CBG, and nicotinol GABA. And I think Dr. Ted talked about how GABA

is extremely important as a neurotransmitter that relaxes our brain, but taking oral types of GABA is very poorly absorbed, maybe less than 10% bioavailable. So all your supplements that say GABA in them, they're not working because of GABA. I mean, certainly the other ones might be getting in, but GABA is not unless it's attached to something.

So the other gamma that works very well, but is illegal is gamma unless it's attached to something. So the other gamma that works very well, but is illegal is gamma hydroxybutyrate, GHB. GHB. I was going to bring it up in the last podcast. It's one of my all-time favorites. It's very rare. So, I mean, it works. It works for sleep very well, but it does also have that date rape connotation, unfortunately. It does have a bad rep. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water is what all I'm gonna say. Well, that's what happens, right? Then phenylbutyrate is another one, right?

So phenylbutyrate and phenylgaba is also another one that also is pretty good as far as diffusing into the blood brain barrier, but also not very, it's difficult to get as well. So we use something that had a vitamin B3 so that it attached and that it went through the blood brain barrier without too much of an issue.

What's nice about B3 in low doses as well is it also dilates blood vessels. And so then you have more oxygen getting to your brain at the same time, and then you have the GABA as well together. And then, you know, kava, everybody knows these days, I think it's the ceremonial drink in the South Pacific. It's a GABA enhancer as well.

It increases GABA in your brain. And it does this in various ways. But in general, we use it at a very low dose. So we use it at a relatively high concentration of the active ingredients called cavalactones, which is about 30% in our formula. And then we have CBD, which we've already discussed. And CBD is fantastic for all the reasons that you know already. But I think what I love about CBD is that it increases your bliss neurotransmitter called anandamide. Ananda means bliss in Sanskrit. And CBD helps prevent the breakdown

of your endocannabinoids basically. And so you have more of those floating around and anandamide being the one that is most specific here. And then you have more anandamide, you feel more blissful, but also anti-inflammatory properties. We used to think that when you like worked out hard, it was your endorphins that was causing you to feel good,

but it's actually your endocannabinoids most likely and your anandamide being the one. So CBD prevents the breakdown of that. And then CBG is a relatively new novel cannabinoid. It's non-psychoactive and it also comes from the cannabis plant. It's called the mother of all cannabinoids because CBD is like the main sort of family tree

and then things come down, things break down from there being CBD and other of the cannabinoids as well, including THC actually. You can make THC from CBD, CBG. So cannabigerol is, it's being studied now for pain because it has a regulatory effect on temperature. It also has effect on glucose as well

and some glucose modulation metabolic rate. And then it also has effect on the CBD receptor, CBD-1 and 2. It is a positive, like a nootropic effect on the brain as well, correct? So CBG, I love CBG. It gives you a little bit of like a mild dissociative kind of feel,

like mildly like ketamine, but a little bit less, a little less dissociative. And it also just gives you this, it's not being used as nootropic directly, but it's using as in combination, like so CBG and CBN are being used for sleep formulas, actually a lot now.

So you'll have like CBN is another, one of these novel cannabinoids that people are using. So, but it works fantastically well, especially Trocom because we have these trochies that you can cut up into smaller pieces, like one quarter of it. It's great if like you're super stressed and like when you're really stressed

and you're in sympathetic activation, your brain doesn't think, you just can't, it's like being in front of a crowded room to give a lecture and you can't think of what the words were or whatever it might be. And what this does is it takes everything down like a small notch and so that your brain turns back on, you can function well.

So sometimes for podcasts, I'll do like either a quarter or like one eighth if I'm feeling really hyped up for it. But then more of it, like a half or even a full trochee is gonna get you to relax and turn off those thoughts you can have before you go to bed

that won't stop going, like they call it perseverating or ruminating thoughts, like those thought loops or whatever they might be. So it just shuts your brain down, lets you wind down and then you can go to bed that like, that won't stop going. Like they call it perseverating or ruminating thoughts, like those thought loops or whatever they might be. So it just shuts your brain down, you know, lets you wind down and then you can go to bed. So it's really fantastic for people that have a hard time falling asleep for those reasons. So, and it's really been great for me.

And actually, you know, we work with practitioners all over the world. One of the main things that I do at Troscriptions is work with our practitioners so that, you know, doctors and practitioners that have interest in selling our products in their office. And so I work with them on the Trocom and Just Blue and the Blue Canopy and getting them in their offices and working with training on how they can use these things in their practice. Because we have natural or, you know, semi-natural equivalents, non-prescription equivalents, but prescription

grade equivalents of things that doctors are seeing all the time, seeing like anxiousness, they're seeing sleep problems, they're seeing mitochondrial problems, they're seeing brain function problems, right? So we can give natural or non-prescription equivalents of these things and have significant benefits. So it's not going to be in like your regular, you know, internal medicine doctor's office because they're not going to be selling these things most of the time. But if you go to your functional medicine provider or your health club, for example, so we're working with more gyms and more naturopaths and more chiropractors and things like that. So my goal is to get this out there and become really well known for having really amazing grade non-prescription products, but almost as good as you can get. And then you have these things coming into people's offices

and then patients are walking out with these things too. And that's really where I'm focused because I really feel like, you know, as a doctor, I worked in primary care for a year when I got out of medical school and it was purely anxiety and depression. Like about 70 or 80% of what I saw was related to that. And I mean, of course people have their medical conditions,

but like how they, it's one thing to have a medical condition. It's also another to how you have a attachment to that medical condition, right? If you're attached to how you feel, then all the attachments related to depression, insomnia, anxiety, and things like that. So like for me, I was like, wow,

this is like looking back on it, knowing what I know now and the things that we can do, you can optimize health, obviously, you can do the health optimization stuff, but even if you can't get there right away and you're working with somebody as a clinician, you have these tools that could be really helpful for you and your practice. And so like, you know, my father's a chiropractor, he sells all these things in his office. I work with all different types of clinicians. And that's one of the major things that I think is going to happen with our company over the next several years is that we're going to be more really focused on getting practitioners these products because that's who sells products. That's who really can make a difference is the

people that are seeing them on a day-to-day basis and helping direct their care within that context of a larger framework. I like that. And with the one-two punch of this is what we need to do foundationally that's going to fix long, you didn't get gut dysbiosis overnight, right? It's going to take a while to fix that. And then also help you to optimize how you feel and operate in the world right in the moment. Exactly. Yeah. So we all need both, right? We all need to have the ability to do what we need now to get it done now, you know, and then be in that moment, but also, you know, try to look a little bit ahead of time and see like, where do I wanna be in 20 years

or 15 years or whatever? And do I want my health to be awesome? Or that's the time is to start is now. And the thing also is that people worry that it's too late because they already have medical conditions, they're already on five or 10 medications or whatever. I gotta say it's never too late. And I think there's always things

that you can do to optimize and always things you can do to build on that foundation. So I've worked with people with 30 medications and I've worked with people that have zero medications. And you can see benefits actually faster, as you can imagine, than the people that have the 30 medications. And you start coming down on those medications, you start weaning them off, you know, in a very appropriate slow way, depending on the med. But like, you can see like extreme benefits very fast oftentimes in people that have a longer way to go. It's like, it's like being 400 pounds versus like 170 and you know, you're 20 pounds overweight versus you're 120 pounds or more 400, whatever, 300 pounds overweight. And you can see huge benefits very quickly with weight loss and things like that

in somebody that's 400 pounds versus somebody that's 160 and then they need to be 150 pounds or whatever, right? If like athletes always want that one or 2% and we can see that with the work that we do, like you do the foundational stuff, you start adding on some of the other technologies, the hyperbaric chambers or whatever, you can see that and I see it all the time, but you see the major benefit obviously

in the people that have like a longer way to go, you know? And it can take a shorter period of time to see some benefit, but that's when you have the short-term things as well. Like you have our products or you have other ways of shifting their biology fast so that they start feeling it like right away and then like, okay, I'm in, right?

Because we all need to have that buy-in. Yeah, you gotta have the buy-in. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Do you guys have anything on the horizon that you're formulating or working with you can talk about that might be something

that you're looking to drop in the next year or so? Well, the answer is obviously yes. And we have a lot of things that we're working on. I think that what it's coming down to is that we're gonna have something for sleep and for pain probably next year. And then, but they're gonna be extremely novel formulas that nobody's ever used

these particular ingredients before. And we're working with labs out of the country to make and formulate these things in ways that really are unavailable in the US is what it comes down to for legal and illegal reasons and things. But the idea really is that we're a company that's looking to really produce compounds that are novel, that are therapeutic, and they work right now, right? And then always in the context of we have a nonprofit organization, we're funding the nonprofit with the for-profit company that we're optimizing health. And the idea is to train as many doctors as possible in this framework so that they can use this in their practice. And

then they can use the products in the practice that they choose to, if they don't have to, obviously. But the idea is that like it all goes well together, like it synergizes together. And so like, we don't know, we almost never talk about the products without also talking about optimizing your foundation at the same time, especially in like a long form. Of course, if I could do like a 30 second thing on Instagram,

because we're told to talk about methylene blue, I'm not gonna talk about that. But in general, it's always about that context. And that's really what, you know, when I met Dr. Ted in Chinatown, actually in 2017, we were walking and I'm like, you know, you're a brilliant guy. You can do whatever you want. Your IQ is ridiculous. Like you've done all these projects. Like what, why are you doing these things? Like, why are you still doing what you're doing? He's like, and he didn't know me very well, but he knew me enough to know that what he said was really poignant for me was that like,

I just want to move the needle on health just a little bit. If we can do that, like that's billions of people that we can help, millions of billions of people. I'm like, that's pretty simple, right? As an idea, but like, that's really what it came down to me. And so for me, and then as a result of that, like, that's why I signed on to be a practitioner, even though I wasn't really ready to do that at the time to be a health optimization medicine practitioner. I said, I was too busy, you know, having four little kids at the time or whatever, but you know, you make space for the things that you feel like are important. Right. So then the product company evolved out of the nonprofit as a way to obviously make money because the nonprofit needs to be sustained.

But at the same time, like to make products that could really help people right now and that I could take to all my colleagues around the US and the world and say, look, you guys can use these things in your practice too. And we can really do something to move that needle. And then more of them get trained

in health optimization medicine practice. Great, if they don't, that's okay too. But we're making that knowledge available for people. And then we'll have all these really interesting advanced practice modules too for people, you know, we're making that knowledge available for people. And then we'll have all these really interesting advanced practice modules too, for people that, you know, already feel like they're trained well

in whatever specialty that they have, but they're interested in cannabis, they're interested in peptide, they're interested in hormones, they're interested in psychedelics. And so we'll have all those things that'll play into our framework too. And then, you know, I think over time,

I think that what's gonna happen is that more people are going to realize that they don't have the foundation that they thought they did, in the sense that like, our framework too. And then, you know, I think over time, I think that what's gonna happen is that more people are going to realize that they don't have the foundation that they thought they did. In the sense that like they think that they have the foundation as a functional medicine provider,

but do they really, right? Because sometimes it's so unwieldy for doctors to get trained and also for clients or for patients to go through the process, right? I'm like, I just have three tests. That's all I start with. And then we do everything with lifestyle, diet,

supplementation, that's it. That's where we start. And then I think it's just simpler for doctors like me. Like I trained as an internal medicine physician and I learned the biochemistry, but you don't learn that you can do anything about your biochemistry. But then, but taking it to that level of learning

that you can do something about the markers in the Krebs cycle, your citric acid cycle and the markers in your gut, like that was just transformative for me because I was like, well, this goes through like the process of optimizing health at that foundation, allowing the body to heal itself.

Just like when I was a kid and talking to my dad about letting the body heal itself using diet, supplementation, and subluxation, right? The things that a chiropractor will do, at least the last one for everybody. So really just kind of put it full circle for me. Hell yeah. Yeah. That's fantastic, brother. Yeah. Well, where can people find you online? So the Transcriptions Company is transcriptions.com

and at Instagram, it's at transcriptions. We have our health optimization medicine and practice is homehope.org. And my hyperbaric consulting optimization practice that does the integration along with the health optimization medicine stuff as well, that's usually the best places, probably my website, which is drscottschur.com, my name spelled out, or if you just type my name into any Google browser or any browser, you don't have to use Google,

believe me, I don't use it anymore. You can find me in all the podcasts that I've done and all the work that I've done on the hyperbaric piece. But those are the major places, I would say. And I also have Instagram at Dr. Scott Scher as well. Cool.

Phenomenal, brother. We'll link to all that in the show notes. Thank you so much. This is a pleasure, man. Thanks for having me. Hell yeah. Thank you. you