Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #274 Ian Morris - Listening to Smile

Episode Date: October 20, 2022

Ian Morris is a maestro in many senses. He gets us into his background as always and lets us in on his outlooks on AI generated music and what he jams to. He’s currently in the process of becoming a fellow Texan so look for more of these down the pipeline.   He wants anyone supporting the podcast to receive some support in their journey so punch in “KKP” at checkout for an undisclosed discount on any of his “Listening To Smile” products.(link below)   PS Keep those reviews coming in! GotTuba got it in September, hopefully they’re reaching out though kingsbu.com. All ya new ones, please drop a dope review and include your IG/Twitter handle and we’ll get together for some Organifi even faster moving forward.   Connect with Ian:   Website: listeningtosmile.com  Instagram: @listeningtosmile  YouTube: Listening to Smile - Music  Show Notes:   Chek Institute - Tarot Workshop Living 4D Episode 156 - Ian Morris: Music that Heals You Spotify  Apple  Sponsors:   Cured Nutrition has a wide variety of stellar, naturally sourced, products. They’re chock full of adaptogens and cannabinoids to optimize your meatsuit. You can get 20% off by heading over to www.curednutrition.com/KKP  using code “KKP” Lucy Go to lucy.co and use codeword “KKP” at Checkout to get 20% off the best nicotine gum in the game, or check out their lozenge. Desnuda Organic Tequila Sometimes being fully optimized entails cutting loose with some close homies. We have just the sponsor for that occasion. Head over to www.desnudatequila.com for the tippy toppest shelf tequila in the game. Use Code “KKP” for 15% off your first order!!  Bioptimizers - Nootopia To get ahead of a day when you’re a little behind on sleep, check out the geniuses at Bioptimizers newest nootropic baby. Nootopia. Head over to nootopia.com/kingsbugenius  and enter “KINGSBU10” at checkout for 10% off your entire order.   To Work With Kyle Kingsbury Podcast   Connect with Kyle:   Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service Academy  Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys   Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com  Zion Node: https://getzion.com/ > Enter PubKey  >PubKey: YXykqSCaSTZNMy2pZI2o6RNIN0YDtHgvarhy18dFOU25_asVcBSiu691v4zM6bkLDHtzQB2PJC4AJA7BF19HVWUi7fmQ   Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

just had a little porongi playing in my head man the myth of legend uh one of my favorite humans on the planet who is not on this podcast but i'm going to see as i get ready for travel to sedona and music is on my mind because i had a music master ian morris on this podcast who has a pretty fucking incredible story um from the bottom of the bottom and climbed his way out of that hole and has done very, very cool shit with his talents, with his skill, and his unique gift to the world. He has been a longtime musician, struggled for many years, and he'll dive into all this on the podcast. But what he's doing now is creating really therapeutic music. And we'll link to all this stuff in the show notes, but listening to smile.com is an amazing place where you can check out exactly what he's doing.

We dive into all this and more on the podcast. Everything that goes into it, it's pretty unique in that he is combining frequency with almost every genre of music. So he even has like death metal tracks, which I'm not into anymore. I mean, Pop'n Lifton Weights maybe, that are designed to pump you up, but with the frequency itself, it's going to cause more energy. And then meditation tracks of all shapes and sizes, hip hop tracks, you name it. He's doing really cool stuff. And I got to cause more energy. And then meditation tracks of all shapes and sizes, hip hop tracks, you name it. He's doing really cool stuff. And I got to learn a lot. He was a guest on Paul Chex podcast back in the day.

And a good buddy, Jason Picard, who's been a guest on the show. Jason reached out to me. He's like, hey, man, Ian's coming to town. The two of those guys, along with Dr. Nathan Riley, all three of which have been on my podcast, are going on a hunt that I'm going to miss this week while I'm in Sedona. So better planning next year, but they're doing a sacred hunt with Monsel

and I'm going to run that back next year for sure. And just wishing all you boys the best of luck on this hunting trip. Ian, I really appreciated having you on the podcast. This is the first of many. One thing I'd like to do in the future is include some of this music on the old podcast itself so people can drop in and tune in. Just click that link in the show notes. You're going to want headphones for sure.

And they have a number of different tracks that you can use to unwind, that you can use for movement meditation. I mean, pretty much anything you can think of, these guys have thought of, and it works like nothing else. They have one for pain that is absolutely incredible. Me, Jason, and Paul Cech all absolutely love it. So this is fantastic. It is next level. It is, in my opinion, the future of music. And we talk about that too. We talk about AI-generated music and what that's going to equate to and the music industry itself, which is a lot there that I didn't really know about. But it's just fascinating. And Ian was a great guest. This will be the first of more. If you decide you like something on listening to smile.com, punch in KKP at checkout and they will hook you up with a discount. I'm not sure what it is, but KKP is what we decided on during the podcast. He wants to make sure you guys get a discount

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But we're just talking about the tarot workshop that he has coming up in early November. And I think it's still going to be available online for people. So make sure you check that out, the Czech Institute. I'll link to it in the show notes. But the power of the tarot is kind of mind-blowing. You know, it's kind of mind-blowing. And you're like, this is like Harry Potter's divination, except it's more accurate than Harry Potter's teacher was.

You know, Paul is dead on with that. And it's helped me tremendously. It helped me tremendously when I went through my dark night of the soul. It added perspective and a bright future that I needed to see in that moment, whether that pans out or not. I needed that in that moment. And many other times where it's just been so dead on in a very odd way. And that's not to loosely blanketly say that anyone who pulls a tarot card has it down, but when you're a direct and clean channel the way that Paul is,

what's coming through him, even in his analysis as I'm breaking that down is it's spot on and it always has been. Yeah, Paul, I mean, it's not just the cards. It's like, I've seen him do it with pictures of people. He'll look at a picture and just tell you, right from, right from the beginning who this person is, where they're at, where there's a weakness or a strength just from a picture. But like when I see him lay out the cards and he did a reading for me for a whole year and it was so powerful every single month,

sometimes three, four events deep in the month, dead on every single time. It was just so powerful. Yeah, he's definitely tapped in. Yeah, that sounds super cool. You do art as well, correct? Because thinking about that, the mandala workshop I did at Paul's, it was like the picture reading. He would look at our paintings.

You know, we'd paint for the first day, second day, all of us would have to do the walk of fire and go stand up there next to the painting. And he'd be like, how deep do you want me to go? Most people were like, fucking let it out. And it was very exposing. For me, I knew like, hey, I'm here. I'm here. I've got a lot to show and I'm totally cool with it. But for a lot of people, it was very exposing. He could feel the discomfort, but done in a very beautiful way. It was illuminating and for the good, for the good of the group and for the good of the person he was breaking down.

Yeah, Paul's definitely a no BS. He's going to chink the armor and get down to that vulnerability that is where the healing takes place, facing those shadows and that darkness that's inside. And I think he really does it in a gentle way but brings all of that to light when you hang out with him he's even as friends just hanging out it comes up all the time so yeah he doesn't he doesn't beat around the bush no no i want to definitely want to dive into art and uh and obviously you're the you're the music man so we're going to dive deeply into music today yeah um. I've listened to the podcast you did with Paul's, and it was a while back.

You guys just recorded a couple more, or that'll be lobbed into one big one. Yeah. And maybe that'll be out. If it is out by the time this comes out, I'll link to that in the show notes as well, because it's always great to get more of you when people want more of you. And Paul's an excellent podcast host. But break it down for people who haven't heard you before on Paul's or anybody's that that what was your story that drove you the health story into what you do now

with music yeah well I was always a musician and it was a big part of my life and for a long a big chunk of my life I ran a non-profit called Homemade Genius for almost 10 years working with underserved kids with music and art lessons and I saw the transformation that music had with these children, and it made me realize there's something more here than just entertainment. It's healing, it's therapeutic, it's powerful. And so during that time, right after that, when I ended that nonprofit, I found myself kind of lost in my mission. I was like, what's next? But I also was starting to get ill and it took about a year to

be diagnosed, but I was ultimately diagnosed with MS and colon cancer. And I was severely overweight. I had played sports my whole life. Baseball was my, you know, my favorite thing to do. I was a pitcher and I had college scouts and professional scouts looking at me in 10th and 11th grade playing, you know, baseball. And I was running around the bases one day and passed out. You know, I was, this was, the thing that was interesting is that I was a pitcher that could hit. So I hit home runs, ground rule doubles all the time. This way you had all the scouts watching you. That's right, yeah.

And I had a pretty good fastball and good curve and change up and things. So I had diversity that they were looking for and a bigger guy. So it was like a big pitcher that was a bigger guy that could bring the heat and hit the ball. So, yeah, I was running around the bases one day and just passed out. And I ended up going to the hospital and they diagnosed me with mitral valve prolapse. It's like a valve problem, like an arrhythmia. And they said, it won't kill you, but when it happens, you can lose oxygen to the brain, all kinds of different things. So at that point, scouts were gone. They're just like done. And so, um, it was a

depressing, you know, uh, thing to face. And so I just kind of had this dark night of the soul. I started hanging out with people, drinking, smoking, just, you know, kind of looking for that escape of life. And, um, and so I, over the years of doing that, I just kept getting fatter and fatter, gaining weight and just, uh, getting in an unhealthy position. And so when I did the nonprofit, it was something that gave my attention to that, but I wasn't doing the four doctors. I was just giving my time and doing, uh, that one focus. Um, and when you give that much and you're not giving to yourself, building yourself, you hit that wall where the cup's like, there's nothing in here.

So I found myself in a dark night of the soul where I was just 320 pounds of weight and just depressed and had a lot of trauma and anger and resentment inside of me. And so I started listening. I remember being at the hospital, walking out of the emergency room for like the fourth time that year and just being so frustrated, them not really being able to find, because it was at the very end when I got diagnosed with MS and colon cancer, I think I was almost $60,000 in debt with, because I was a musician that didn't have health insurance. And it was just a dark time. So I remember there was a book on the shelf and it, for some reason, coming home from the hospital at night, it just really stuck out to me, pulled it off. My mom, I was like, my mom's been telling me to read this book for 10 years. And I'm like, I'll read it. And I never did. It was

Louise Hay, You Can Heal Your Life. And I started reading it and just tears, you know, it was like, I connected with the message that was coming through. And someone about a week before that had given me the book, The Healing Power of Sound by Dr. Mitchell Gaynor. And that was so profound because it was a cancer doctor that was using singing bowls and a lot of different music sound therapies with his cancer patients. And they were having these huge transitions and transformations of their life. And so those two books I started reading simultaneously and it had this huge, it was just like the right moment, you know, it was like that eureka moment of just like, okay, I'm a musician, I want to dive down this rabbit hole. And so I started getting into binaural beats and meditation.

And the thing I found is I'm a painter, a poet, a musician. My mind is always going. So when I would set to do meditation, I couldn't do it. I was just, could not focus to get that quiet space. The binaural beats helped me do that. So when I put on the binaural beats with headphones and I sat there, I remember the first stillness moment. I was in my thirties. I don't remember what year that was, but it was this, you know, tears and just, you're sitting in the quiet of the storm

and I'm like, I've never known this my entire life, like what this feels like to have peace, you know what I mean? Like of the mind or even in that kind of space. And I grew up like touring and playing in bands and like sleeping in practice places where it's like metal and you know and it's just like I learned how to sleep in that and so I never had peace you know and so that was just a huge moment where I remember talking to my mom on the phone one day and saying like this has never happened to me this is what happened

and explained binaural beats and so from point forward, it was just diving down that rabbit hole of exploring that to its fullest extent and then changing the view of what do people want in an entertainment format of music to how can I face the demons, you know, getting into, you know, the shamanic drumming and something that was a consistent tone, like even pure tones, where it's just you're sitting with that and you're meditating on a note or a rhythm. Just boom, boom, boom. And it's just monotonous and it just drills into your brain and you double down on that drum or that tone and you start really meditating on it. And it taught me how to set in silence and how to use rhythm or tone to block out. I call frequency the great disruptor. So, it's like it's something that really helps

me to quiet the mind by just blowing out everything and you're left with nothing. It's almost like in the movie Inception, how like you see the scene where the sidewalk's exploding, the buildings are exploding. It's like, it's almost, that's what frequency was doing for me is it was just exploding everything and just leaving me in that dark, you know, eyes closed, that quiet of the mind.

And so it was the first truly transformative thing I think that happened in my life when on the spiritual journey, you know, that's massive. Yeah. My, my first foray into meditation was dog shit. And it wasn't until I got to Binaural Beats where I was like, Oh, that's, that's what they mean. Yeah. You know, it's kind of like my third took me two times in a float tank to feel anything other than just, whoa, this is weird. I'm floating. And then I remember it felt like five minutes, the light came on and I was like, did I do

something wrong? She was like, no, your time's up. And I was like, what are you talking about? It's been five minutes. She was like, oh honey, come talk to me. You did great. You know, and I get out and she's like, that's, that's what you're shooting for. And I was like, holy shit.

It makes me think of use like percussion tools, like a Theragun, the Theragun just with the same consistent frequency and vibration, finally the nervous system just gives in and goes, ah, and unlocks, right? Like that's what I think Binaural Beats was doing for my brain. It was just enough from both sides

to finally just go and surrender to it. Right. Yeah. I think people always ask me like what is the where is the best place to start and i honestly say every time binaural beats because it doesn't require anything from the listener and it does it automatically and what it's doing is it's synchronizing the left and right hemispheres of the brain um in the 70s you had the had the Monroe Institute that did the binaural beats, and they called it hemi-sync technology. And that was really the first exposure I had to those.

I was lucky. I had an uncle. My Uncle Paul is good friends with Drumvalo Melchizedek as well as Alex Gray. Secret, secret, ancient secret of the flower life guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He knows some shit. Yeah, he does. And my uncle is a professional sculptor and he's done sculptures for like Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous that have been on there.

And like he did some stuff for Ron Rice, the owner of Hawaiian Tropics and stuff like that. But he's just, he got me into the Ascended Masters in like 2001, 2002. I was just a young, young guy and he was just like pushing this stuff on me. He sent me the Flower of Life books and got me into St. Germain and, you know, all the wonderland. He calls it Merkabah land. Like he has a place down in Daytona where he brings people onto his property and they see all of his sculptures and he calls it Merkabah land. That's just really cool. That's like you got grandfathered into one of the mystery schools. Yes.

You know, like a modern mystery school. Yes, totally, totally. I was, it's so wild. And it's neat because my family, like my mom was raised Christian. And so she's like, I just don't understand what Paul's talking about. I'm like, well, when he's talking about UFOs and he's talking about, you know, the ascended masters. I was like, it's just kind of part of his religion, the way Jesus is a part of yours.

And I said, it's very similar. Like when he's sending you energy, he's praying for you. It's the same type of thing, but it's just neat because I've been put in that kind of translator situation in the family. But I think it really helped me. It diversified me to when I'm working with clients to be able to meet people where they're at. And I think that Spirit provides those schoolings and teachings and lessons for you that such, like when you're moving into a healer, most of the healers

that I know have been through the thing that they're helping to heal. And then I think all the situations you look back and like, oh, that's why that happened. This is why these things happened to me so that I could be here and show up in this way for this set of people or provide these tools for myself and for these other people. And I just think it's a humbling process. It's just really cool to be a part of. Yeah, no doubt.

And it reminds me, when I went through the dark night of the soul, it was kind of a mind fuck because I was like, did this just happen? Did they just change what Jung's quote was? Because I had only heard it right when I was going through it. But in order to reach into the highest levels of heaven, a tree's roots must dig down

in the deepest levels of hell. Yeah. You know, like if truly the best healers are the ones that have been through the muck they're the ones that have done it themselves that's how they can speak to it's how they can relate to it you know paul helped me out big time um and he was like trust me i've been there and i was like i believe you but please illuminate you know just for my sake and when you illuminated i was like okay you've been there holy shit all right man no doubt so i think that that is a

it's an invitation that we have from human to human where you can recognize that in yourself and then also seeing somebody else, like they made it through it. You know, Paul, Paul wrote, how do you move me healthy? He's had two kids. He's got two amazing wives. His, his life really progressed after that. You know, there was light at the end of the tunnel there. Yeah. And his new book that he's working on, it's mind blowing, you know? Mind blowing. Yeah. Mind blowing. Yeah. It's, yeah. So I think like all of us who are sharing our stories, it's like, I had this conversation with one of my friends the other day who was a punk rocker, graffiti artist, truly amazing visual artist. And he was giving gratitude for our friendship. And I was telling him that he

needs to share his story because he has a very unique perspective on prosperity and just manifestation. And I was telling him how proud I was of him and how far he's come. And he was like, nobody really cares about my story. And he's like, you're at a level where you're growing and people enjoy you sharing your story. And I said, dude, Joe Dispenza, Bruce Lipton, Greg Braden, these guys, they're all pretty much sharing very similar stories, but they do it in a different, unique way.

And they have unique experiences, but they're all pretty much saying the same thing. But the reason why different people connect with them is because they're different personalities, delivery styles, flow. And it's so important for the message that's getting out there to be done in a diverse way because everybody needs something different, right? Just like there's different genres of music. You know, it's all music and it's all connecting to feeling and heart and, and empowerment, but it's done with those different genres. And so I

think it's so important that people realize like, it's important to share your story. It's important to share your story. Um, Paul and I were talking, uh, this past week, you know, when I was at his house and we were basically saying the retirement communities, there's so much knowledge there. You know, like what if someone made a documentary just going, talking to everyday Joe about their life experience and things that they learned and that they would want to pass on

to the younger generations. I mean, I can't even imagine, like you saw the show Alive Inside, where they, Have you seen that? There's a documentary called Alive Inside where they go to the retirement communities and they use music to awaken the dementia. Oh, wow. who were non-responsive, they put the headphones on them, play the music from their era, and it transports them back to that time. And they'll set up, eyes light up, they start talking all this, you know, from that time period, you know, just talking about their friends, their family.

They turn the music off, they go back to the unresponsive state. So it was just really, really powerful. I can't imagine people being empowered to share their story. And I think we're in a really amazing time where video and the internet gives this really unique possibility of sharing content that way. Yeah, that's phenomenal. I used to think about that from right when I first got into podcasting. I was a smaller guy on the defensive line at ASU. I was a smaller guy in fighting. I had to drop to light heavyweight from heavyweight because Kane and Daniel Cormier were

right there in my weight class, teammates of mine that became heavyweight champion. And I was always around guys that were bigger than me. So I don't think of it that way. But I remember there was one of the first few times I had done ayahuasca. It was a day ceremony at a Native American reservation. And as I was being escorted back from like two barely five foot tall Hispanic ladies, you know, were carrying me basically back to my seat, a woman passed by who didn't speak a lick of English. And she goes, the Hulk, the Hulk.

And she's pointing at me and I just cracked up. I was like, damn, this lady thinks I'm the Hulk, but that legitimately like on ayahuasca looking at my friend, I was like, Whoa. Yeah. It was the first time I really understood my avatar through the eyes of someone else. Right. You know, not through my inner circle of people that I hang out with all day, but through, you know, like the eyes of a very small lady, you know? Yeah. And I remember when Dorian Yates first went on london real and then rogan's talking about his experiences how important that was for bros and the bodybuilding community that are just like no you know patch it up pussy lift weights you know that kind of thing right it's like

like uh because he was one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time they would lend an ear to that right because there's a level of respect and admiration for him that that might not come from louis hay right and then you know people that are following louis hay might not want to pay attention to dorian yates so they go this guy's a dumb bodybuilder you know not realizing he's brilliant right um so yeah every every thread in the quilt matters it does absolutely i think that's what pattern, the flower of life speaks to me, is all the interlocking circles. If you took one of those circles out, it would look incomplete. But when you see them all together working as a team,

and you stand back from it, and you look at it, you can really see the interconnectedness of life. To me, that's what I take from that symbol. And then you get into the whole mathematic, when you explode it out into a 3D, you see that it contains pretty much everything that there is, you know. But it's just really neat to see that, the interlocking circles. I think it's 19 interlocking circles, I believe.

I can't remember. But yeah, so it's a really powerful image for me, you know. I think it's what it expresses to me. That's amazing so talk about this this transition point where um when was it you know from from you're working with the non-profit and you're you're not healthy and then at some point you end up you know falling into turn follow make monkeys a dick squad yeah and getting the deeper downloads at which point did you start um after binaural Beats,

did you say, this is where I'm going to shift? This is where I'm going to dive deep in? And what were your influences then? Well, it's always interesting because I think people are, with my company, Listening to Smile, people are always like, where was the start of this where you're like, I'm doing this? And I said, Spirit did it.

All I really knew is that this had a profound effect on me. And I started hosting these events at yoga studios. Um, and we haven't got into this, but when I started listening to smile, I was actually homeless. So yeah. So, so what happened was I had $60,000 of doctor bills. Um, I was, I had no money. I was just running out of money and I was at my apartment and knew I was going to be evicted the next month and I had this meeting this is how a spirit works so I had this meeting

and there was a lady that was in the spiritual community an older lady that we had a meeting at my house that day and it was made months before totally forgot about it just with everything that was going on with me. And she showed up and she could just tell the face was just stressed. And, you know, she basically was there and lent some counsel to the situation.

But it was just a very profound thing. And when I say I was homeless, I went through living under a bridge and dreaming up, listening to Smile. I was lucky enough to have friends that I could crash on their couch or take a shower here and there, but most of the time was outside. And in that time period, I think you really find out who you are. And there was a lot of things that I think I could have done differently, but for some reason I chose to face this in this way. And when I think back about that time, I think about it was almost like you felt like you were a fighter pilot

that got shot down behind enemy lines and you are on your own. And it's just basically like there is no hero coming to save you. You know, you're smart, intelligent person and you have these talents. What can you do to make a difference in the world and to pull yourself out of this hole that you've chosen to go into? And so, so yeah, so basically I started thinking as a musician, I knew I really wanted to do something with music, but when you look at the industry right now, it's decimated. It's very hard to make a living as a musician. And so I started just dreaming up,

if I didn't think inside the box of the formats and templates that are out there, how could I do it? And so that was really giving a lot of thought and attention and focus to how can I create a synergistic platform that supports me as a musician and my creations and the output versus the people who I wanted to share the music with. So I started having conversations with yoga studios and massage practitioners and just holistic practitioners in general. If I made this music,

and let's say that it was sound healing based, you know, frequency based music, but I created all these genres like hip hop and trip hop and, you know, pop music and folk music and Kirtan and shamanic drumming, and I could create a catalog, how could you utilize that? You know, and they would say stuff like, oh, put it on hold music in the studio space, use it in my one-on-one sessions for coaching, my yoga studio. And then I was like, what if you could sell it to your clients? You know, like they come in, they have

this experience. And so it just started from there. And then I just started, what if you could sell it to your clients? You know, like they come in, they have this experience. And so it just started from there. And then I just started thinking, fuck it. Let's just put the whole shebang. We'll create a multi-function, multi-use license. I'll own the catalog. I don't have to use a record label or a publisher. And I'll just privately license this to you for a flat fee.

And then you'll have all these options to monetize it and to utilize it in a way. And so when I first started doing it, everyone's like, it's never going to work. This is crazy. You know, and this isn't what BMI or ASCAP or, you know, these performing rights organizations. And they're like, there's no way to do this or to track it. And so I just started, you know, moving forward inch by inch. And I, and I remember the secret, there's a guy that was talking about the headlights on the highway. Do you remember that? It was, he was saying that you can only see in the darkness, you know, a certain amount in front of you. And he's like, you don't know what's down the road. And, but right now you're focused on just getting the next mile, half mile, whatever, you know,

you can see with your lights. And I, that vision of like, I didn't know how it was going to happen, but I knew that I wanted to move in this direction. So I just started moving with no safety net with, I mean, I was like, what else can I lose? Right. So I just kept doing it. And I remember the first time we sold out our first yoga studio, there was, it was on Daniel Island, in South Carolina. It's a, you know, pretty affluent area there in Charleston. And, um, yeah, the yoga studio was like, man, this was amazing. Like there's so many people out the door, we couldn't even fit them in here and like, we need to do another one, you know? And so, and so it just kept growing to where people started coming to me like, oh, I want to use your music. And people were contacting me within three months from Australia saying they saw it on Facebook and they wanted to bring it out

there. And I just kept saying, no, no. And then I could just hear Spirit talking to me like, hey, dummy, I'm trying to help you, right? And so I was like, okay, God, I'm going to create this program. And I started, I had a good friend named Boyd, who was really great at scalabilities of business. He had attended law school and just really smart guy. And so we started having these conversations and he's like, dude, do you know what you've done? Like, he was just like, you've created something that's, he's like, this is multimillion dollar business. You know? And I was like, still in homeless mode. I'm like, yeah, man, I don't know. Like, we'll see, we'll see. Yeah, and so it's like, it just started growing.

And I think Spirit just did this amazing thing where he started, he brought these people into my life that were just monumental and moving forward. And I've seen it, like getting on to Paul Cech, it just really exploded from his podcast. I think four or five new countries came on board. Just a lot of people. I mean, Brittany and I met from the podcast. Tons of people coming into my life, just really excited.

And I think that it's just every step of the way, you know, being here with you. I've watched your podcast. It's an amazing thing to be here with you. And it's just so humbling to see Spirit put together these dots and connect these networks. And I think this is the change, the ripples that are happening is from people like you and me having these ideas, putting it into motion, not knowing what's going to happen and just having faith and trusting in it. And then Spirit saying, I got you, putting all these people together. And I just think it's a magical thing, man. Absolutely magical.

I think it's magical too that you're, as the downloads started coming in for you, it was the whole picture. It wasn't just, I mean, it wasn't like the ending of it, right? You only got what was in front of you, but you got the thread that led to the whole picture. It wasn't the thread to make this amazing music

and then fucking wrap your head around how you're going to get it out to people. Yeah. Right. Like you saw the bigger picture on, hey, this is what's working. This is what's not working in the music industry. And you can perhaps give people an idea around how Spotify and some of these other things work because really you were solving multiple problems at once. Yeah. Well, a lot of, I think most people, so Napster, like let's talk about that real quick. So when I was younger, Napster came along

and it was this great thing, right? People were like, oh, all this music. And so I started having these conversations recently with friends and I said, man, how many songs did you download from Napster that you never listened to? And they were like, what do you mean? And I'm like, you downloaded thousands of songs, I'm sure. And I said, all of us did. We were all like, oh, free music. And so I said, but there was so much stuff that sat on my hard drive and never

listened to. I never got to it because I put nothing into that exchange. I didn't have a value for what was sitting there. And the things I started realizing, the things that I paid for, bought, attended, I put more value in and I put more of my time commitments to those to oversee it. If I paid for a program for like a hundred bucks, I might be like, oh, I'm busy. I don't, you know, I'm not going to get to it. If I paid 10 grand for a program, you better bet I'm going to spend time with that program. And I think there's a value in that, in that exchange. I'm supporting the person who's taken the time and energy and the pain and trials and tribulations to birth this thing and bring it to the world. And then I'm putting money into that and I'm saying, hey, this is valuable to you. Keep doing it. But also to me, hey, you've spent

money on this. You better see this through, right? And so I think like Napster wiped all of that away, but I think what ended up happening as a other side, flip side of that coin is that the music industry was not ready for the internet and the power that it was going to hold in the marketplace. So they lost the market. The tech industry took it over, Apple know, Apple with Apple, iTunes, and then you had Spotify and YouTube and all these things that came up with the streaming platforms. And so as a consumer, you're like, yes, nine bucks a month, I can listen to anything I want. But, you know, you think about it in perspective, when I came up, 10 bucks, you know,

wasn't even, you couldn't even buy a CD for that. And that would be one album, you know? And so the value system is so far skewed, uh, in the favor of the industry, um, that artists were losing amazing, amazing talent because they're like going to get real jobs and we're losing this artistry and this magic in the world because people are feeling the need to abandon things that they could make a decent living at, but because the industry is so far skewed. So to give you an idea, like Spotify, you know, I think they just lost a lawsuit in court. So it's probably going to be changing a little bit, but still for the whole time Spotify has been around, you're looking at 1 million streams for 3,000 US dollars. And so most artists will never reach a million streams because they don't have the PR and marketing to do that. And I think another thing to think about

is 40,000 songs a day come out new every day on Spotify. So you think about that as an artist trying to get your music out there. So most artists catalogs are sitting on there for free, uh, where people can listen to it and there's no real exchange, uh, of, you know, synergistic exchange there. So I think like when a lot of musicians have started seeing what I'm doing and that I think the first year we did this, it was like $53,000 or something. And so as a musician, I was like, holy crap. How many millions of listens on Spotify

would you need to achieve that? Yeah, yeah. And so it just started growing each year, going up. And it gave me hope. And then I think other musicians are starting to look at what I'm doing and saying, wow, there could be something here. And I think when they're approaching me, they're like, what should I do? And I'm like,

pull your stuff from the platforms and create your own platform and start investing in events and opportunities that you're engaging people. Engage people, even if it's 10 people, you're going to have better engagement than a thousand people on Spotify because the way Spotify is set up is they're pulling, people don't realize this, but what they're doing is by playlists, they're separating you from the artist. So what I mean by that is, and this is the first phase, right? So what I mean by that is if I said, someone's like, oh, I listen to stuff on Spotify all the time. I'm like, what do you listen to? Such and such playlist. I'm like, name some artists off that playlist. I don't know. I don't know what it is. And so the reason why I'm saying that is

then you're going to get to a point where they're introducing AI artists where I saw an article where Google was working on the Beatles, YouTube and Google were working on taking the entire catalog, feeding it through AI, changing the chord progressions just enough that it couldn't be copyrighted by the Beatles. And so they were putting out stuff that was very similar to the Beatles. So they're, and they're just, we're trying this out. We're seeing where it's going. But I think like the detriment to musicians is

there's not an investment in the up and coming talent that it's like a football team. You're investing everything in the varsity and you're giving to all these big artists, you're giving them the top spots on the platforms, Aerosmith, all, you know, Rolling Stones, these people are fading out. What's next? You know, what's coming in next? And I think they're investing in AI because they're cutting out royalties and dealing with the artists and they can just take it straight to the platform charge you money for the music and it's close enough to the stuff that you like and so for me as an artist I'm just like this is blasphemy like so I think like it's just really important for people to realize investing in your friends and your family that are doing creative things in the world because it's needed.

It creates, I think art is one of the most magical things in the world because it creates an interaction with the soul and feelings first before anything else. And I think that it's a universal language and it can inspire massive amounts of change in people. I mean, you see it, I mean, in ceremonies, you know, plant medicine, I feel like one of the highest points for me in those ceremonies is music. And I think it's, it interacts in a way that you, in those moments, truly feel. I was having a conversation with Brittany and I basically was saying, it just ripples through you. When you, in that state, when you have a thought, it's like

instantaneously ripples through the whole body and you can feel it in a way that you're not conscious of in everyday life. And so people are like, oh, I don't do that because I'm afraid of this or I don't want to have a bad trip. And I'm like, but it's here. You know what I'm saying? Like every time for me, you know, I can feel the anxiety or these different things, like depending on how deep you're going, that come up. And as soon as it comes up, if I can meet it and say, oh, I know what you're doing here, friend, you know, and you have that reverse, like you send it love, you can feel it. It's just like the change is instantaneous. And I think for me, the plant medicine has been such a great opportunity for me to start in everyday life, pinpointing those, becoming more sensitive to those things in life where

I can say, oh, I see you. It's like, yeah. So it's just, it's really cool to see artistry moving in a way that there's people trying to do something different outside of the system. You know what I mean? Like to pull that back to the artist. But I think it's important for our friends, family, and colleagues, the world to start realizing the value. And I'll say this to close this. I think creatives are the architects of this reality. You know what I'm saying? You have architecture, fashion, dance, poetry, music, visual arts, and it literally shapes people's perception of what this reality is. And it has been confiscated or manipulated

by the one percenters. And they're using our gifts against us, you know, to shape and transform consciousness. And I think that's the battle that's going on right now is for your conscious suppression, you know? And so I think like for art, you know, that's the thing. These are the last revolutionaries right now. You know what I'm saying? And there's no one speaking out like there were in the 60s, 70s and 80s and it's like the punk movement and metal movements in the 80s had very loud, boisterous bands that were speaking out against the government, against social suppression.

And now you see the Dixie Chicks speak out against Bush and then they're blacklisted and they're just wiped off the map. And I saw Rage Against the Machine started touring again. And then the singer got hurt. And I don't know what happened after that and it's just interesting to me i'm like interesting so there's this rage against the machine from my understanding kind of went hook line and sinker with the narrative in the last couple years for sure fucking mind blown i know the vaccinations the last people on earth i would have thought yeah i remember i do what they told you now you do what they told you like what

are you doing do you not see the irony in this at all yeah i remember that same thought of like where it said something about you had to be vaccinated to go to their show and i was just thinking like wow that's very you know it's not it's not what you would expect at all yeah yeah so um but yeah i think that music and art and poetry and all of it is really powerful for helping to shift focus and consciousness. And I just think it's a powerful tool and it's not being utilized right now. Yeah, it is the last stand. It is interesting, you know, with your point on people not really speaking out. We've got the formation of the ministry of truth, like in Potter in our government right now.

There's a lot of things there, especially with the way Paul and I talk, that get us a little squirrely having kids, wanting to look out for them and not overstep the bounds. But there's never been a more important time to speak out either. And I think about, did you out either, you know? Yeah. And I think about, you know, did you ever see the Lego movie?

Yes. Remember that? So they got the everything is awesome. That's AI music in a nutshell, right? That's what they're going to create. They're going to create the lamest top 40 bullshit that hooks you at the right beat frame that they've, they've mapped, you know, consciously. They're like, Oh,

this is the thing that's going to get people energized to ready to go to work and pay attention and have fun at their shit job and, you know, go get They're like, oh, this is the thing that's going to get people energized. They're ready to go to work and pay attention and have fun at their shit job and, you know, go get hammered on the weekend, right? That's all that gearing is going towards that. And even some of the art, you know, it's like, wow, that's pretty cool. Some of the art, I forget who it was, somebody just won an art contest. But there was a lot of pushback because he had used AI or machine learning in his art, you know, and it's beautiful, but it was also like not necessarily completely him, you know? And I think about that, like my art isn't, there's nothing to write home about it, but I,

every painting I've done encapsulated me at a particular moment in my life where something big was happening and,, and, uh, you know, I could, it draws me right back into that, you know, and it speaks to me and it speaks to my family because it draws us back to these, these critical moments. I don't paint all the time, but I'll paint when something big's coming. And that, that sometimes I'm painting things before I even know what the fuck it is. And it's like two or three years later, I'm like, oh, that was it. I'll get into plant medicine journey. I'm like, that was it. That's what I felt coming. And I think about the style that you bring forward too is something important to talk about. When you start layering in you,

the progress that you make from clearing of the room to dialing in to the music that you make, I think would be fantastic to bring up here. Yeah. Well, I think what's interesting, I'll say this on two points you brought up there. I was talking to Paul about Bob Dylan and I said, if we went by today's standards, like The Voice, Bob Dylan would never even have a seat at the table. And I think that we've created this real cookie cutter thing to determine what talent is, you know? And when I think about, I was really fortunate. My dad showered me with music. I mean, when my dad passed away, I got like 20 plus instruments, you know, from him and over 2000 vinyl records.

And I remember my mom telling a story. She said when they got married, they were 18 and they had this budget they were working with. And she'd be like, here's your lunch money. Here's this. And, you know, they would split and just had a tight budget and they were like really shoestringing it to, to go through life. And, uh, mom said that dad would never eat and save his money. And at the end of the week, he'd go buy a bunch of records at the store. And then he would just be in the floor, like listening to the records, like, you know, just deep listening, checking out the artwork. And like, that was his life. He just loved music. And so I think about

how much music means to people. And recently I've had some friends who are musicians who are like, oh, I'm not as good as you, or you write so many songs and able to do it so easy. And I'm like, yeah, man, but I've been doing this for, since I was 20, I'm 45. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was like, I've put time into this, you know, like you're just getting started, you know? And so I was like, I was like, you're going to get there. But I said, the things that people are telling you, like your rhythm is very unique. It's not like mine. It's not like stuff I've heard, but that's your gift. Like double down on this. Like you have this unique style, bring something new into the world. Don't be like them, be like you. And so I think like my biggest thing that I'm trying to help people with that are coming to me, whether it's

clients through one-on-one sessions or whether it's like musicians that are, you know, coming, like we're interacting through creation processes and then they see how I'm doing things differently. And they're like, well, this isn't how this recording studio did that. And I'm like, good. And so it's like, you know, I'm like, your rhythm is so unique, double down on that, play it because that's you, that's your rhythm. It's unique. And it's uniqueness is what makes amazing music right so Bob Dylan was a great storyteller it didn't matter that his voice was weird you know what I mean but he wrote cool stories and like expressed that and changed people through those stories and don't need a

weatherman to know which way the wind blows you know one of his lyrics you know I'm saying so it's like I think when I think back about bands like Frank Zappa or The Doors, there's never going to be a band where you're like, man, they sound like Frank Zappa or they sound like The Doors because it was such unique music. And I think that's what we should be pushing our children to do is to be disruptors, to be, you know, creative thinkers and to be unique individuals, because that is what the ripples, you know what I'm saying? The people who dare to dream and to push into those areas of uniqueness is what is awesome. And so for me with my music, I look at all that and, you know, I'm looking at Joe Dispenza, Bruce Lipton, Greg Braden. I'm looking at Buckminster Fuller and Wilhelm Reich and these people that wrote these amazing

books and put this stuff in the world that people just thought was batshit crazy. But I'm like reading it and I'm like, this is fucking awesome, you know? And so, but I'm taking those same type of concepts and trying to put it into my music. And at the same time, like breaking away from verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, end of song, this template. So a lot of times there's people, when I first started making this music, they'd be like, this isn't really meditation music. And I'm like, you're right. It's not. I'm wanting a soundtrack for your life, not just on the yoga mat, not just before you go to bed or when you're meditating, but when you're walking your dog, when you're out lifting weights, when you're at the gym, when you're cleaning your house. I want you to have frequency music that is giving you the same type of thing that you're getting on the meditation

cushion or the yoga mat as you are through the rest of your day. And so it was just really creating something and then not listening to people. Like, cause everyone, people, yeah. And, and people didn't like the name, like listening to smile. They were telling me I should change the name. They didn't like the music, this, that. And I just, in my heart, I knew this is what I wanted to do. And so it was just pushing into that. And I think I got to a point where I just realized, like, if I make a mistake and it doesn't work, at least it was my decision. I remember when I was younger, listening to people and then something not working out

and then feeling really resentful and angry because I listened to someone else and didn't follow my heart. Yes, yes. And so for me, I think my music is really pushing the envelope on structure. There's sometimes I've had songs that have seven changes and there's nothing that repeats. Sometimes there's something that repeats and there's these little inflections or these things and people will have comments and I'm like, I hear you.

And there's people who will say, this was darker. This wasn't as pretty as your other stuff. And I'm like, you're right. I wanted it to bring out darkness. I wanted it to help with the shadow work. And I said, in the descriptions, you can read, we go there, we talk about why. Give it a look first. Yeah. And so, you know, and so I think like not being afraid to do that. And I think when you're like Coldplay, Coldplay has the, you listen to their albums and for the most part there is a template and they deliver music and they're a good pop band, you know, and they have their audience. But imagine if they decided to do something completely radically different, how many people they would lose. So in the beginning, you get to a point where, fuck it, let's do whatever. People are going to like it or they're not going to like it. But when you get to an established place of 10 years, 15, 20 years in, then you get into this scarcity of

like, oh no, what if I create something and no one likes it? And it's a harsher reality. But I think this progress of listening to Smile, this will be the seventh year in November that I've been doing this. The first two years were really, almost three years, were really trying to climb out of the hole of being homeless, establish it. And the last four years have been really, like we're in nine different, 10 different countries now with our music and really have got to a place where a lot of practitioners are using this. And we just got Cliff Bar as a client. So we're working with a mindfulness program with Cliff Bar. And so it's opened some other doors to some other companies. And it's really, you're getting to a point where I'm sitting there saying, Ooh, I want to create stuff that people are going to like, but I have to go to that

place of that unique individual and say, if they don't like it, then they're not supposed to be here. Like this is, this is my thing that I feel very connected to and in my heart space, this is my mission and I have to walk that line. You know what I mean? No matter what that means. And sometimes it might be tricky, but I think that's one of the biggest things I'm doing with my music is to really, I call it the LTS method. So basically what I'm doing is I'm taking

binaural beats. And so I'm using that to facilitate whatever target focus we're working for, for the heart rate and the brainwave activity. And then I'm introducing a carrier, you know, that is the carrier frequency. And then we're introducing a mono beat on top of that. So for me, I feel like it delivers that mono beat in a very powerful way. And it's why people say like when they put on the headphones, like your music sounds so much more full than like regular music. And I'll just laugh and I'll say, well, it's this, these binaural beats. And so it's a, it's a tritone, not in a musical term, but just the, the three harmonic, you know, that we're working with there. And then that is the

root foundation of the songs. And so I put the song structure on top of that. We tune the instrument. So I'm, I'm utilizing acoustic instruments and instruments and tools like gongs, tuning forks, singing bowls, things like that, and didgeridoos, but also, you know, real acoustic drums. We're utilizing guitars and things like that, but we're also using synthesizers and beat machines, and we're creating a mix between the modern and the ancient sound tools. And so you're getting things like we're taking like a Wu-Tang type beat and putting it on top of like a kora, which is a African harp and like a sitar and like blending styles and different fusions of music together in this.

And I think that when people hear it, they're like, oh, interesting. This is sound healing. And I'm like, it is. And so, you know, but what I'm finding is that more and more people that I think would not have traditionally gone into meditation music are getting introduced to this upbeat mid-tempo stuff. They're like, oh, this is pretty cool. It does make me feel a certain way. I'm going to try these meditation tracks now. And then they're like,

oh, this is, you know, it's like really hitting hard for them. And so I think for me, that's my biggest accomplishment is getting people into meditation that probably never would have found it before. And so I think for me, like not being a meditation person and the binaural beats helping me to see the benefit of that and how to quiet the mind. Those are the people I'm wanting to connect with, I think the most, just because I understand what it's like to be there. Yeah. Well, I think you're in good company too, following your own path. Yeah. The Beatles changed their tune quite a bit from starting off ultra pop and really becoming artists by the end of it right uh queen you know in the

movie they went over you know all the all the um the record labels that were like you can't do a fucking eight minute song or 11 minute song it's like no this is what we're doing yeah right like you know that in your heart and then just say this is what we're doing right and it's gonna land right you know like they're they're there's some legends that have that have proved that path so right it's really cool that you've known that all the way through. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think when I'm playing an instrument like a guitar,

and I think the recording studio is almost another instrument. When we're talking about the Beatles, George Martin, their producer, Eleanor Rigby would not even be a song without him. You know what I mean? Like he wrote the string arrangements and then Paul brought the song, the lyrics in and they put it down and what a, you know, iconic song, you know what I mean? So the recording studio for me, I was in bands and just wrote my part. I played guitar. I just wrote my part and showed up. And I remember when one of my bands broke up, I was like, man, I'm like jonesing for music.

I want to play music. But I was always just the person that showed up, played his part, and that was it. I didn't really get much into the music. I didn't get very much into the ego and care who got credit for this. I just wanted to play and be in front of people. And when that band broke up, I bought a four track and I started playing with, like, I had an upright piano and like acoustic guitar. And I was like, oh man. So as you start piecing the songs together, you start seeing the songwriting process, you know, start unfolding. And so then it got to a point where if I played

a part, like on guitar, I would start hearing in my head, the baseline, the drum, the drum beat, the, and so I wanted to learn how to play those other instruments to start doing it myself. Cause I was really cut off from music at that time because I went through the breakup with the band and we just weren't playing. And I was in a small town where there wasn't a bunch of musicians. So the availability of that was just really limited. So I started doing it myself. And I think it's the one thing that changed my life monumentally because I think it allowed me the ability to deconstruct a song. I would listen to the Beatles songs the next time after this process, and I would just notice I could single out the bass line in my head. I could just put everything else at bay and pull it to the front. And so it was like this

fine-tuning of my listening skills started changing. And, and, uh, then when I would start mixing, I started learning how to mix and master the music myself because I wanted, as I learned more about conspiracy, uh, fact, right. Uh, I started, I started learning that there was a note. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so I started saying like what if I started learning how to mix and master my music to where I had full control and no one could put anything unwanted in my music at the mastering houses or any of that took me about 12 years it was a long process to really feel like I got to a good point with it that I felt good. But I started noticing, I was working with other engineers

and I would hear stuff and I'm like, do you hear that? And they're like, no. And I'm like, it's like a hiss. And they're like, no, I don't hear anything. And then I would solo out the kick drum and it would be like, and they're like, dude, how did you hear that?

I started noticing real subtle things and I started seeing the difference that the recording process started having on me as an artist. And I think it really changed my ability, not only in the music field, but like in life, I would start noticing more and more things like the trees, the leaves and the breeze

where I hadn't really noticed that before. And, you know, it would just kind of be like, oh, it's mundane stuff. I don't, you know, I'm not tuning into it. And I think like all of those processes and then sharing this music with clients, people two weeks, three weeks in will say, man, you know, I feel like I'm noticing more things in my environment. Like this 528 pure tone, I heard a plane flying overhead the other day and there was like this hum from the engine and it sounded very similar to this tone or my refrigerator's humming at night

and it has this tone and I put them together and they're really close. And it's just really neat because I think like sound has such an ability, like in the beginning there was the word, right? So it has this ability that it sculpts and molds this construct that we're in, this perceived reality. Everything is light and vibration of sound and light, right? Everything's frequency.

So I think that when people start really working on meditating on a note or meditating on a frequency or a tone, it starts unraveling these other things where conscious, the brain is saying, hey, you've been listening to this frequency for a while. You're telling me it's important. Let me help you see it in reality and these things in the external. And so I think it starts, the awareness expands and in turn, the consciousness starts expanding. And I think sound is such a powerful tool for that. Yeah, it's massive. It's reminded me of one of Paul's favorites, Stalking the Wild Pendulum by Ishtak Bentov.

Have you heard that? No. Right in the beginning, he breaks down the logos and how if everything is vibration, you could call sound all sound is light or you could say all light is sound right so if you consider it all to be sound at varying degrees of what's perceivable and imperceivable it's all the song yeah it's the song of the universe one song yes and that's pretty it's

a mind-blowing thought to to to grapple with and to viscerally know you know that's something plant medicines did for me too it didn't turn me musician, but it directed the power of music to me in a way that was like, all right, I had my favorites growing up. My mom did a great job of playing, you know, Billy Idol, Billy Joel, Elton John, Phil Collins. She had all, you know, she had a lot of the different varieties and oldies too, Three Dog Night and all that stuff. But with my kids, especially, you know, like we'd have instruments and I've bought, you know, guitar center, sorry, guitar center, but I've bought, you know, their, their, their black Friday sales. And it's like, I need to fucking give this to goodwill, you know, like, let me, let me save up. What's that? Whatever's necessary for a handmade

steel panhandle, like whatever that's going to cost, like it's going to be worth it to have a real instrument in the house and one that's's durable for the kids but like just to come around and play even a few notes like the tone of that it's a it's it moves beyond the ears like it hits every part of your body yeah and i didn't understand that until ayahuasca you know and then uh my first few journeys they were playing an iPod. But the second I heard a real instrument live on ayahuasca, I was like, holy shit. Yeah, yeah. Whoa, and the icros, you know, the vibratory notes that they're able to hit in their range penetrates you. You know, like to recognize that's still happening, even if I'm not on medicine and not taking in the full gamut of that.

I'm still absorbing the full gamut of that. Yeah. You know, it's such a powerful tool. It is. What you just talked about is, for me, when I'm working with clients, people are like, I can just watch TV and put this on. And I'm like, well, you can. But what I would like to see is you to start evolving your deep listening skills.

And that means not multitasking, setting aside a ceremony with this music and yourself. And I said, give yourself quiet space, you know, give yourself time away from people and really dive into how your body's feeling when you start listening to this, noticing. And one of the things I really encourage people to do is journal after they've spent some time with a track track because each, let's say that every morning they gave 10 minutes before they got their day started listening to a track and they journaled and they go back at the end of the month and they look at how that same track affected them differently each day and different areas of the body were affected. They felt different stagnant energies moving. They felt their day changed because their mood was this way. And it's like you start really developing a relationship. And the people who have spent time, like I have one of the guys at Cliff Bar that facilitates the meditations for the employees there.

He was like, I've been listening to the same track for six months. And he's like, have you done that? And I said, yes. And so he was like, what did it do for you? And I said, I cried every day for six months when I was coming out of being heavy, 320 pounds. The first year I lost a hundred pounds. And I said, I think I cried it away. I think I literally just had tears from listening to 528, which is the frequency of love. I listened to that track, the same one every day. And you develop this intimacy. It's just like the world today.

It's like everything is used up. Let's get a new girlfriend. Doesn't work out, throw her away, get a new one, just go through the same process of this. But if you really doubled down and said, hey, I'm going to show up for this uncomfortable, have this conversation, let's get to a deeper understanding, deeper intimacy. Let's go to a new place that I haven't gone before. It's going to be scary, but let's do it together. You find someone that you can do that with. And for me, the music, if you choose, it's a choice, right?

Just like it is in the relationship. I choose, this person has a good heart. This person's kind. This person's loving. This person's shown up for me in a powerful way. I'm choosing you. There are all these other choices that I could make. I'm choosing you to double down and to go into this uncomfortable darkness, shadow work, and fix both of us by these

conversations being open, right? And for me, music is the same way. If you've, there's music that you'll hear the first line of the lyric, it's like tears, you know, you just like connect with it. I remember that there's this band called the Red House Painters. And the guy had this lyric that said, I can't let you be because your beauty won't allow me wrapped in white sheets like an angel from a bedtime story. And I was like, fucking poetry. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like powerful stuff.

And there's people who've had trauma or I've had army veterans that will connect with songs because of tones, something that just brings something out. I'm like, why is this happening? I'm like, there's a lot of explanations for this, but I said, it probably has something to, you're listening to the Chakra Tune-Up album.

And I said, you're having a lot of issues around your root and your solar plexus, you know? And I said, empowermentus, you know, and I said empowerment issues, you know, the way that you see yourself, the groundedness, you know, like if you've been in worry, doubt, and fear, and pain, and depression, it's like grounding is something that you desperately need. When you feel that, that track kicks on, and you feel that, and you haven't had it for a while, it's going to feel like you're being hugged, you know, you're being enveloped in that tone and it can be very emotional, you know? And so I think the hardest part for, there's not a lot of men doing this

work, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I say that in my circle, I'm saying most of the people that I know, I have my friend Boyd. He's like, Ian, you're like an alpha male. You seem, but it's stealth. Like he's like, it's like you're a stealth alpha male. You come in and you're very calm and you're so chill that no one really thinks anything about you. But then when you have these conversations, it's like, whoa. And it's like engaging. And he's like, you are leading people to this new place.

And I feel like I have mentors like Paul and Jason, you know, our mutual friend. And there's just a lot of people who I was telling Brittany, I'm so fortunate that I have these very balanced, powerful men in my wheelhouse of people that are just helping to hold space for me through every turn. But I'm looking at a lot of men who, you know, my friend that is the graffiti artist, we've had conversations and I'm like, man, stop picking up chicks at bars, dude. Like, holistic centers, yoga studios, go and invest in yourself and meet

someone that's investing in themselves. You know what I'm saying? And like, get to a point where you're coming at it from a healthier place instead of just chasing tail. You know what I'm saying? And so it's like, but men have such a hard time, I think, expressing in my world, in my circle, there's a lot of men that just have a lot of, uh, reserved, you know, suppression around, um, being vulnerable and, and crying and saying like, Hey, I cried, you know, like it's hard for them to even say that. And like, Oh, I don't cry. I'm, I'm tough, you know? And so I think that, um, this music is a thing that like tears those walls down. And I think that it helps you sit in that quiet of the mind. It's almost like you're observing the ego and you're observing your toxic masculinity and you're observing these shadow parts of yourself and you're watching them whirl around and you're like,

you know, I look back at parts of my life. Sometimes when I'm in meditation, I get these flashbacks of things that I've done or said to people and I'm like, oh, that does not feel good. That was an asshole thing to do. And I think that the music helps me sit with it in a way that if I was just sitting in my room thinking about that, it would probably lead to spiraling or like depression or like judgment of myself. But in the music or even the plant medicine, you know, both of those, I think I can observe them and I'm like, I don't like that about myself. What can I do now in the future moving forward to make better decisions or to do the work or what tools do I need to start utilizing to get to a new spot so I think like you know people

have this perception of me saying like I just see you sitting in a room meditating all day and I'm like absolutely not you know and I'm like I make this and I'm a part of this because I probably need it more than anyone you know what mean? And it's something that has helped me face my shit. And I'm not, I haven't always been a good person. I haven't always done and said the right things. And I've heard a lot of people. And I think it helps me to observe that just as much as like saying, hey, you did something really cool. You built listening to smile from the ground up and you were homeless. And it's like, yeah, that's great. But the real process for me and doing that was being able to look at all these shadow parts and these

bad things that I feel like I've done to myself and to other people and say, I want to do better. And I think Kobe Bryant said something like, you know, it's not about the competition. It's about being better than you were as an individual yesterday, right? So it's like each day evolving into a more evolved, higher purpose of yourself. And I think that for me, this music gives you that ability to face the stuff in a way that you're not spiraling and you can um not feel personally connected to it but observe it and say um okay i'm i'm choosing to do better now and to and to move forward and to get to that place where uh those tools help in that evolution i guess guess, you know?

Yeah. It sounds phenomenal. I mean, right as you were talking about it, I'm like, yeah, that's very much like plant medicine. It's like third person point of view. And then it doesn't hurt as bad, but you still get to see it from all angles. And then you brought it up and I was like, oh God. What do you, would you recommend for people that first sign online to a subscription? Where do they start? Is it something where it's just, I'm going to feel into this and see where I'm drawn, or is there a path that you take people through in terms of how they would go about approaching this and really working with it?

And then you kind of answered it with a six-month listen to the same song, but do you stick with the song until you're done with it, or do you keep moving through? How do you recommend people work with your music? Yeah, so on our Bandcamp camp page there's a wellness series that's for the public and it's for personal use so basically um someone that wants to work with this music at home can buy a cd they're 25 bucks they can buy an album and then start you know working with it and it's really just laid out for them. Like it'll be for pain relief, for like we have a, there's a shamanic drumming album, you know, so it's basically the way it's set up

is it's very easy to see the title of the album and to know the focus of where they're going with that. So that's the first step where I say, here, check this out, see if this resonates with you. The second step would be working, like we have personal frequency coaching where we get into explaining more about sound healing. People get to ask questions. It's an hour long zoom call. It's a template that gives them a two week outline to how to use the music, gives them breath works and tension setting, deep listening skills. It shows them kind of a foundation template of like how to use this and implement it on a daily. And then it also has where we customize tracks

for them. So whatever target focus they're going for, we create tracks for them either through the catalog that already exists, but handpicking those for them, or they can choose the route of having customized tracks that are specifically for them with the style of music and things that they're wanting. And then the third step is basically like the practitioners who are utilizing on a commercial level that are wanting to have the proper rights and permissions, but also be able to create new revenue streams with the music. So they can use it in social media. They can use it for videos. They can put it in a podcast. They can resell it to clients. They can use it one-on-one sessions. And it basically just gives them the year long. And the difference with the practitioners is, is that every month we

make a new album that's in line with the astrology. So we look at the astrology that's coming in and then we create an album for the collective and those are exclusive to that membership program. So people sign up for that. And we've had a lot of people who are like, I don't want to do practitioner stuff, but I just want to be part of that subscription. So they can do that as well. And they get basically two free albums when they sign up, and then they get an album every month. And those albums come as downloads, but then they get all the astrology information for the month laid out. And then they also get all the frequency and the intention of the song. So a lot ask questions about the music or wanted to learn more,

you can do that through email. And then also they get to vote. Like we'll send out a thing saying, you know, what's music you'd like to hear next month genre wise. And so a lot of people like that they can kind of have a say in like what's coming down the pike. And so that's pretty neat. And then the last engagement would be the workplace wellness. So we're working with like Clif Bar now and we're growing into some of these other areas of opportunity with companies. Basically restructuring like company culture, creating more joy, more productivity and focus in the workplace, and then utilizing that through hosting events in the workplace, like during the day, and then incentivizing that, like saying, hey, we're going to have three events this month.

If you attend all three events, you know, on Friday, we're going to let everyone get off two hours early, you know, and stuff like that. So it's just, it's a way to try to get mainstream America into meditation and mindfulness. And they're utilizing the music where, you know, at these events in the workplace, but also at their workstations and their computers, and then being able to utilize it at home as well. So it's cool. That's massive. Yeah. What would you say is the best way to consume this? Is it in a quiet, dark space? Headphones? Talk a little bit about When you're downloading this Is it coming in WAV file or MP3 They can choose WAV file

But it comes in the high 320 MP3 And they can choose a WAV file If they want It just depends on what people choose WAV files are definitely a higher quality And for me I really like the higher quality stuff But 320 MP3 Is not that bad It's still nice higher quality and they're, you know, for me, I really like the higher quality stuff. Um, but 320

MP3 is not that bad. I mean, it's, it's still nice, but it doesn't take as much bandwidth as the wave file does. Um, so yeah, they can choose that. And then, um, as far as the space utilizing it, I think it's going to be different with each person and what their focus is. Like there's a lot of people who are wanting to put this on at work and have something in the background that keeps them focused. And, you know, and we have like movement meditation, volume one, volume two, and there's like things that people utilize with that. But I think it's always surprising. Like I have friends that are like, dude, I love metal music and I meditate to it all the time. And I'm like, cool. You know, it's like, everyone's so different. You know, I remember when I when I was in a metal band when I was younger I went to sleep listening to like Helmet

you know like they'll just put it on the cassette tape hit play and just like flip it over and like I was just like sleeping but yeah it's just it's crazy so I think people are just so different that there's not really a one-size-fits-all but if I was we're going to say someone's like wanting to get into meditation and really dive into the possibilities of what this is, I would definitely say setting aside 10 to 15 minutes each day in the morning, as soon as they get up before they pick up their phone and, you know, any of that, they just have a little time that they're devoting to themselves away from people and just giving themselves that quiet time with the music and give it a week, you know, 10, 15 minutes a day for a week. And most people are saying like,

oh, I can tell a difference, you know, for sure. And at two weeks, you know, people are really having shifts in their mood as well as like the habits. Cause I think like, um, what you're doing in a sense by creating this time is you're creating new neural networks, especially if you're pairing intention and breath work with the meditation. And people are saying, well, what intention? I'm like, well, what intention are you wanting? Are you creating a new business? Are you manifesting? You need money?

You need, what is the resources that you're needing to bring in? Or is it a new job opportunity? And so I constantly talk about in Louise Hay's book, You Can Heal Your Life, there's a section where she talks about, I had this job. I don't like this job anymore. It's served its time. And so instead of being like, I hate my job, she wanted you to say like, I have gratitude for this job and it helped me in a time of need, but now it's time for me to release this job to the next person who needs it just as much as I did.

And I'm ready for my new position to open where I'm supposed to be going and not putting a hard, I want this job over here and to have this position, but to be open so that the universe can do its magic. You know what I'm saying? And so when you put intention with sound, I think it's just, you know, it's the elixir that really creates change and stagnant energy. And so I

think that's what I try to get people to do is give yourself a little alone time, 10, 15 minutes a day, put some real intention behind this session that you're doing with the music and do some breath work. Even if it's just basic, you know, breathe in, breathe out, and you're consciously breathing it. You know, it doesn't have to be fire breath or put in some kind of crazy, it just, breath will slow, you're bringing in more oxygen, which is in turn creating more circulation. You're giving more of the organs, their vitals that they need. And so by just doing 10 breaths in, 10 breaths out, before you start this process, you're already lowering your heart rate. You're slowing down your brainwave activity. You're getting focused for this intention that you're doing.

That's massive, brother. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited to deep dive it. It made me think of Joe Dispenza when you were talking about Louise Hay. And obviously she was Dispenza before Dispenza when you were talking about Louise Hay and obviously she's she was Dispenza before Dispenza yeah but one of the ways that that uh really stuck out to me in working with manifestation is that you have your intention and it also has to pair with surrender so you hold the intention but it's not too specific then you surrender the how and when that shows up right so you let go of some of the specifics you allow the universe to work its magic, God, whatever you want to call that high self. And that's where it lies. That's the unattached approach to still working your way through something and having desires and goals to attain.

But I love it. He plays music at his events. So it's like, of course, we should be for damn sure playing music. I want to recreate that event in my living room or in my bedroom. Yeah. Well, it's crazy because I just moved to a new part of California in Oakland, just outside like Piedmont, Oakland.

And I was there and I have a roommate that's a filmmaker who's made Hoop Dreams. You're familiar with Hoop Dreams? Yeah. So Frederick is my roommate and moved there. And our meeting was just so synergistic. And he's like, how long are you going to be in Oakland? I said, I don't know, three months, maybe six months. And he's like, where are you going? I said, I have no idea. I just know that this is not where I'm going to be

full time. And so, yeah, so I'm moving to Texas and it's the same, it's the same thing. It's, I just feel so called here by spirit. There's so many things that have aligned and it's the same, it's the same thing. It's, uh, I just feel so called here by spirit. There's so many things that have aligned and, uh, it's just been so powerful. And so it's just like, I don't know how anything is happening, but I just trust spirit and it's just every day more and more things are unfolding. And I think like encouraging people to do that is hard because I think as a Bohemian artist, you know, growing up, you learn to do that and to kind of flow in that flow state and trust and move in that way. But I think common, the muggles, right? Yeah, I think it's harder for them because they're saying, well, if I do this, then this is gone.

And then what do I do if this happens? And I think, and you're like, in a sense saying, let it go, man, let it go. Like you're trying to control. And I think I find myself in those moments and I have to remind myself, like you're trying to control and you're limiting what spirit can do for you. And it's like, I think the hardest and most also beneficial lesson that we'll learn in this life is like stop trying to control spirit you know yeah well i mean you see you see it show up in film and movie and all these different things like uh uh the jump the leap of faith and he tossed the dust out harrison ford and he's got to make the jump right like that's it that's the not being able to see past what your lights can

see at night yeah car while you're driving yeah We're at a critical point in human history where there's a giant gap. We don't know if we're going to make it across, but it's going to require that faith and that trust. Yeah. Was that the third one where he was walking across the invisible beam? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's cool. There's the visual for it. Well, this is phenomenal, brother.

It's been excellent having you. I definitely want to have you back on. I'm going to deep dive all this stuff. Okay. Where's the best place people can reach out to you and where can they dive into this? Yeah, so my email is ian at listeningtosmile.com. The website is listeningtosmile.com. It has a lot more information about what we're doing and all the programs and things that we offer.

And so those are two really great places. And then the Bandcamp where they can get the music is listeningtosmile1.bandcamp.com. And they can go there and look at some of the albums that are available for public, and those are for personal use. And so those are the three best spots. And then we also have a YouTube channel, Listening to Smile, that on YouTube, and it has a lot of testimonials from people, from veterans. And there was a woman on there that had a dental procedure done and she had no sedative and did our music and had a cavity filled. And I was like, wow. So yeah, it was just really neat stuff. Yeah. From everything from autoimmune things to veterans with PTSD that have given us some really great testimonials that are on there.

That's phenomenal, brother. Thank you so much for coming on here. Thanks, man. Thank you for having me. Yeah. Thank you.