Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #284 Robb Wolf

Episode Date: December 27, 2022

Last pod of the year yall! Robb Wolf has been a huge inspiration in my life and I continue to draw from him and his presence. He calls out the BS as he sees it and we get into that as well as having our sights on the future. He’s homeschooling his daughters and preparing them for anything the world may throw at them as I am with Bear and Wolfie. Enjoy and share it yall!    ORGANIFI GIVEAWAY Keep those reviews coming in! Please drop a dope review and include your IG/Twitter handle and we’ll get together for some Organifi even faster moving forward.   FIT FOR SERVICE! PULL THE TRIGGER FAM! Full Temple Reset  and Fit For Service 2023 Core Program  are live! Head to the links above and explore the pages, consider your options and hopefully ultimately sign up. I hope to see yall on the path next year! KKP #281 Fit For Service 2023 - Song of Soloman Spotify Apple     Connect with Robb: Robb’s Website: Robbwolf.com Instagram: @dasrobbwolf Twitter: @robbwolf Facebook: Facebook.com/Robbwolf.com Podcasts: The Healthy Rebellion Spotify - iTunes YouTube: Robb Wolf Show Notes:  Sorry everyone, I couldn’t find the zoom meeting youtube vid -Jose "The Power of the Powerless" -Vaclav Havel  "Life of Fred Elementary Series" - DR Stanley F Schmidt   Sponsors: Organifi Go to organifi.com/kkp to get my favorite way to easily get the most potent blend of high vibration fruits, veggies and other goodies into your diet! Click that link and use code “KKP” at checkout for 20% off your order! PaleoValley Some of the best and highest quality goodies I personally get into are available at paleovalley.com, punch in code “KYLE” at checkout and get 15% off everything! BiOptimizers - Masszymes Gut health is paramount and these guys have a bunch of goodies thrown in if you head over to masszymes.com/kingsbufree  Desnuda Organic Tequila Sometimes being fully optimized entails cutting loose with some close homies. We have just the sponsor for that occasion. Head over to www.desnudatequila.com for the tippy toppest shelf tequila in the game. Use Code “KKP” for 15% off your first order!!    To Work With Kyle Kingsbury Podcast   Connect with Kyle:   Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service Academy  Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys   Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com  Zion Node: https://getzion.com/ > Enter PubKey  >PubKey: YXykqSCaSTZNMy2pZI2o6RNIN0YDtHgvarhy18dFOU25_asVcBSiu691v4zM6bkLDHtzQB2PJC4AJA7BF19HVWUi7fmQ   Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

Oh boy, we're getting close to the end of the year here. We're getting damn close. For some odd reason, we missed last week. Well, we didn't miss that last week. This week, it's always fucking hard doing this to say what time it is. Currently, you're listening to the podcast that we did with Rob Wolf, and it is an excellent one. It is my third, I believe, with Rob. I've been a huge fan of his for many years, read just about every book that he's written. Just a phenomenal guy who's definitely got his

head screwed on straight and does a beautiful job of calling bullshit where there is bullshit when it comes to conspiracy and does not hesitate to call bullshit where there actually is conspiracy and just love this guy. Love what he's done for the health and wellness community. And I love what he continues to do for the planet through his Instagram and his podcast with his wife and how he educates his daughters and, you know, being a judici practitioner and all the things that he's into. I continue to be a fan of Rob. So thank you, Rob, for coming on the podcast.

This one was dope. We took a deep dive into many of the issues going on in the world. I kind of follow Rob on Instagram and was just peeping through. And I was like, I think we've got plenty of topics to cover here in a little bit more detail than you can get in an Instagram post. And it was great. It was great catching up with him. Check out his stuff. We'll link to it in the show notes and where you can find him, his podcast, all that good stuff. There are a number of ways you can support this podcast. First and foremost, share it with a friend that you know is down to listen. Somebody that's like, oh man, I love Rob Bull. If you did a podcast with Kyle, awesome. They're going to listen. If any of the topics we covered today from World Economic Forum

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that really does help the show big time. And last but not least, you help the show by supporting our sponsors. They make the show possible and in an indirect way, you keep me on the front lines, being able to really take the time necessary to read the books, to dive deep, to watch documentaries, and to bring on the most important guests, in my opinion, that I can. Some are known and some are completely unknown. People that I've discovered recently through friends of Paul Cech and different people in the podcast space, Aubrey Marcus, Joe Rogan, guys like that. I find people through those podcasts and get them on here and ask my own questions. And a lot of times it's just me hearing about a great book from Dr. Nathan Reilly or somebody

like that. And then I'll deep dive that. And I'm like, holy shit, dude, this guy, Mark Gober, we got to get him on podcasts. And Mark Gober's on podcasts. And it's been a really cool... Mark Gober was on podcasts. I'm not saying I was the first guy to have money. He already had his own podcast. Just saying though, in with my circle. And that's been one of the most fulfilling things that I've done. I continue, when I look back at the end of each year with gratitude first on what were the great things that were accomplished? What did I learn? What do I really appreciate that happened this year? The podcast is one of the first things that comes to mind because it is my doorway into continued education. It's my doorway into lasting friendships with people that I really

give a shit about, people that want to know, people that I've really become a fan of through their art, through their literature. And the podcast is a way to bridge that gap. So thank you guys for supporting the show. I absolutely love this of all the jobs that I have. This is one of my favorites. I actually love every job that I have. I love being a dad. I love being a husband. I love the podcast. I love being a coach in Fit for Service. And I love working with people one-on-one. They're all super important jobs and they're all very fulfilling. So thank you guys. Support our sponsors. We are really winding down the clock here for Fit for Service. At the end of the year, we usually cut it right then, but I think we're going to go two weeks into January, maybe 10 days into January.

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And we go through what personally arises when we look at the Song of the Self, the Song of the Tribe, the Song of the tribe, the song of humanity, and the song of cosmos. And in those breakdowns, it's a really powerful podcast, but you'll get a very good glimpse of what we're looking to extract from 2023. As I mentioned on that podcast, it will be our best year yet for sure. And the reason I know that is because it tracks. Every year we've done it has completely exceeded expectations and blown the previous year out of the water. It just keeps getting better. As we keep getting better and we continue to sharpen our sword of what we're teaching and how we're getting this across

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It's the end of January, January 25th through the 29th. It's going to be at the farm in Lockhart, the farm that I keep talking about and trying to show people. So you get a chance to check that out. You get all day, every day with me and Eric Godsey for five days. We're going to do the fasting mimicking diet. We're going to mobilize. We're going to get in the sauna and the ice bath. We're going to deep dive so much of the psyche from Godsey's perspective and Jungian analysis from symbology into journaling practices and dream analysis. And we're going to meditate each day. We're going to do any practice that's worth a shit. We're going to do that together. And we're going to do it all in the same five days.

And at the end of this, we'll have reset ourselves physically, mentally, and emotionally, and spiritually. We end with a sound bath. And there's nothing like it. I mean, I really am proud that I dreamt this into being because it is one of the coolest things that I do each year. And I love the fact that it's at the end of January. So if you've been a bad boy or a bad girl this holiday season and eating like shit, like I typically do, it's an excellent way to rebound and set the year off right. Go all in, do the major acute stressor and learn. Learn as much as we possibly can together.

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And without further ado, my brother, Rob Wolf. Rob Wolf, welcome back to the podcast, brother. Always an honor to bring down property values for you. So if you're foolish enough to let me on, I'll come in like the drunk uncle. Thank you. We're living close to each other. We're about to even live in a little bit closer to each other as we were building out this farm in Lockhart. So hopefully don't bring down the property value too much. Although I don't want a mass exodus from California to New York into Lockhart. Come to Austin, keep your 30-minute drive and we'll be good. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Well, look, I've been following you online. I've always loved your content.

Every book you've written is one that I've really chewed on multiple times. I've recommended to people. You know, the past two and a half years for anybody with their head screwed on straight has been a head scratcher. It's been like a kind of a, um, like we're living in bizarro world, I think is one of the safest ways to put it. Like, what the fuck is going on here? Right. And I think it's, it's been really apparent for people who have been switched on from the sick care system to what actual healthcare looks like. What does it actually mean to be healthy? What does that entail?

Do I need pills and potions and all this bullshit to do that? Or can I actually solve this mystery through diet and movement and sleep? And I don't think it's been that challenging for people to kind of call bullshit where it is, if they already understood it that way. And, you know, who better than yourself? You wrote a book with Diana Rogers, Sacred Cow. We talked about it last time on this podcast that really exposes all the mistruths that there are regarding cattle farts or burps, soil degradation versus soil regeneration. I've got my Force of Nature shirt on right here, our buddies out in Fredericksburg. To continue for you, what is it like to continue to see this push for cell-based meat and crickets and the climate talk that's happening right now. And I think you and I can both intelligently talk like,

sure, climate change, all right, but what are the true solutions to this? And why does it seem that the answers keep circling back to something that someone can profit from? Yeah, and you know, I'm okay with people making a profit. I'm really a market-based capitalist at my soul. is this decentralized, transparent process where people get to pick how they want to live and the ways they want to live with some understanding that there are trade-offs

and costs and benefits tied into every decision that we make. But whether you're talking about homeschooling or buying locally sourced food or just simply taking your health more into your own hands, like having a concierge medical thing, which sounds really hoity-toity, but a lot of people can do it for far less than what they're spending on health insurance. And the bugger then also is that you have to then also typically have some sort of backstop medical insurance around it. But a lot of what I think we are advocating for is this crazy thing of self-autonomy, of sovereignty. I want to make the decisions about how I and my family and my community live,

and I want to be engaged and a part of that. And the flip side of this, and it's so fascinating to me because, and I hate to break this down into like this side versus that side, but it is, you know, it is kind of the way the world plays out. The folks that historically I would have thought would have been very anti big government, big business.

These are the folks signing up for like, oh no, no, no, man, the CDC said, like Bill Gates said, you know, and they're just like hook, line and sinker. And what they're advocating for is this centralized medicine, health care information in a way that would make George Orwell like blush, like fucking blush. Like, I can't believe it. This is so... It's like a trope. It is so over the top, ridiculous, the way that people are trying to sell this.

But yet, you can get your head lopped off online for even suggesting that there's maybe some cracks in this facade. One thing that's been really interesting, like the Impossible Burger, like some of these fake food deals, Diana and I were so frustrated with those because they're not regenerative, and they're not even economically viable. Like what Diana pointed out in Sacred Cow, that pound for pound, Beyond Burger is more than twice as expensive as grass-fed filet and this is supposed to be like the solution to the world you know and and people are like oh you know your grass-fed meat is so hoity-toity and everything is like well grass-fed ground

beef is actually very inexpensive and even conventional ground beef, I still don't actually have that many issues with it, particularly if you're this young family just getting going, living at the margins, and you got to really pay attention to your budget, which a lot of people are in there. that we could eat. But it's fascinating. Beyond Burger and Beyond Foods had all this money, all this cachet, famous people, and it's failing. And it's failing because the thermodynamics don't work. It's kind of like if you were trying to engineer a refrigerator to work and it needs pumps and compressors and everything, you're like, we don't need any of that stuff. We're just going to turn a fan on and somehow it's going to magically make shit colder. And it's like, no, that's not the way that the world works. And Impossible Foods and a lot of these cell-based entities are running up against the reality that... This is kind of an ironic thing. I know I'm jabbering like an idiot, but COVID created all these supply chain issues and everything. And it also created these economic challenges where interest rates are going up and all the dumb money that's been circulating in the Wall Street investment scene is gone. And so there's really a tightening of belts and a tightening of purse

strings. And what we're finding is that there was an absolute mountain of dumb money that was put into these fake foods, the cell-based foods, the meat alternatives and whatnot. And just about to accompany their failing. And it's because it's really, really expensive to try to grow this stuff. You need a lab, you need all the raw materials, you need to heat and cool it, you need to put antibiotics in the growth medium, otherwise you grow a giant tub of toxic sludge. And there is kind of a reality that sunlight, grass, and cattle,

the way that evolution has been working for millions of years, something along that line, it's a really efficient system. No matter what everybody else says about it, it's actually remarkably efficient and it has all these side benefits. You have potentially decentralization of economic infrastructure of people growing and distributing their own food more locally. You have improvement in water capture and carbon sequestration, local ecosystems. And there's definitely some challenges around the industrial food system on the animal husbandry side, but it's very solvable. It's not like we're reinventing some massive thing. on the animal husbandry side, but it's very solvable. Like we don't need,

it's not like we're reinventing some massive thing. It's like, it's iterative process. Like it's a very relatively easy thing to fix. And like you mentioned some of the challenges early on around climate change, the world has been warming for a long time. Like the Netherlands, two thirds of the Netherlands is below sea level.

And they've just been building dikes and dams. And they're one of the most vibrant economies in Europe. And so it's like, do we ignore climate change? No. But it is also one of the crazy things. It is not an existential threat. It's a problem that we have to deal with. It's like I get snow in my driveway and it's like, okay, I got to plow it today. I have a problem to deal with. My pipe broke. I have a problem to deal with. Humans are really good

at dealing with problems so long as we have good, accurate information and we're not tortured into terror. If we're not terrorized, then we can sit back and be like, okay, yeah, I can figure this out and we can tackle this as a community. But we're being forced into these decisions at the point of terror and we make bad decisions as a consequence. And again, I know I'm kind of bouncing around and rambling here, but it is interesting though, that a lot of the terror tactics, a lot of the even, you know, the like, hey, we're going to reinvent the food system, it's failing, you know, but the bugger is that it's causing a lot of damage and a lot of suffering along the way. Like part of my, if I'm cynical that day, I'm like, I don't need to do a goddamn

thing about any of this because it's all going to sort itself out eventually. Because there's no way that you're going to displace a global food system by growing it in a vat. It's not going to happen. There's be a bunch of folks that have problems. Like right now, the Netherlands is acquiring 3,000 farms that they're going to take offline. The government's going to buy these farmers out and then take them offline to meet climate goals. And what's going to happen there is that they're going to end up with a food security issue. And it may be five months, it may be five years, it may be 50 years, but they're going to end up with a food security issue. And it may be five months, it may be five years, it may be 50 years, but they're going to end up in a food security scenario where this farmland that was taken offline

needs to be brought back in, but they have nobody with the knowledge, nobody with the infrastructure to do it. And people are liable to starve and have problems. So there's going to be this pain, but we will, again, we solve problems. Humans are great at solving problems, but we're also super fucking good at making problems. So there's going to be this pain, but we will, again, we solve problems. Humans are great at solving problems, but we're also super fucking good at making problems.

And that's probably the crux of all this stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I see a lot of creative problems and I wanted to bring up the Netherlands. There was a great video, a short video from Russell Brand talking about this, you know, and he's, of course, you know, he's vegan, he eats all organic. And he's like, I would never wish in a million years,

that some government forces that upon people, if you want to eat meat, eat meat, hopefully, it's the best from the best sources, right? If you're going to eat food, hopefully, you're eating organic. But this pressure that happened with the farmers was switching from nitrate based fertilizers into organic fertilizers, which are exponentially more expensive. And it's not regenerative. Regenerative is using the least amount of inputs possible. And it takes time to build that system. And once you do, it's self-sustaining, right? But to force somebody's hand seemingly overnight, you're basically backing them into a corner where they can't win yeah and then you buy up these

farms at pennies on the dollar and and you know you look at bill gates doing this stateside and it's kind of like huh are these the guys that are saying you know the sky is falling from climate change and are these the guys that are flying in on 400 private jets uh to the to the to davos each year this is all the same crew right like is that what we're looking at here yeah yeah and you know like i'm a huge fan and advocate for regenerative practices but is it sri lanka that that just went like we're cutting you know the uh uh we're basically pivoting on a on a dime, our whole food production system. And they are a fascinating example of a country that was just awash in abject poverty 30 years ago, absolutely crushed with poverty, food insecurity. And then they had relatively open markets. They started having relatively open elections. They had

these crazy things like a respect for rule of law and property rights and all kinds of magical things start happening when you put this stuff in place. And it was one of the fastest growing middle and upper class segments of a population. It was a net food exporter. And it was using industrial row crop food system practices, which do have an expiration date on them. They are not regenerative, but they will feed people. And they can get people to a point where they're not in dire abject poverty living at the margins. And in that Maslow hierarchy of needs, it's kind of like, okay, we're not starving. Now, how do we do this in a

way that when we come back a thousand years from now, multiple generations later are still able to live on this area and thrive and do things well, but this is going to be an iterative process. You can't just pivot on a dime. And they tried to pivot their whole food system on a dime, and people are starving to death. And their economic base got absolutely destroyed. And it's all trying to cater to this kind of weird pie in the sky notion. There have been some very thoughtful pieces on why folks bought into COVID, buy into the climate change narrative and all this stuff. And one of the most credible things that I've taken away out of all this is that the West has largely become less religious, which maybe is good, maybe is bad. But there's been this massive loss of religion and spirituality also. And

arguably, this is a baked in the cake evolutionary need. Like in addition to sleep and food and exercise, like humans might need some belief in something greater than themselves to really be healthy. And this thing that folks have attached themselves to in believing in something greater is like, I'm gonna save the world from climate change. I'm doing my part to fight COVID because I got all my kids vaccinated,

even though their risk of even getting COVID is low and certainly from dying from COVID is almost zero. But yet the vaccines themselves are untested and have this really gnarly risk profile to them. But I feel emotionally, kind of religiously attached to approaching this because I need to believe in something greater. And that's a tough one to fight. That's a really tough one to fight. But it's going to be something that we're going to have to figure out how to face and how to

convince both the populace and politicians that yeah we have challenges we have problems but you know like trying to spin a whole food system on on a pivoted on a dime like the the only thing that comes to mind that's even remotely similar is like the bolshevik revolution when um once the bolsheviks took control, the farming class actually was relatively wealthy. And because they were shifting into this kind of communist mindset, they thought that that wasn't cool. And so they took most of their farmers, most of their food producers, and either killed them or stuck them in gulags. And then they put people who were high in high in the the chain of command within the bolshevik you know kind of party and put them on these these ranches and farms and everything and

they had no idea how to run them and then hundreds of millions of people starved to death you know because they were just like there was just absolutely no respect for the knowledge that is necessary to actually make food and and distribute it and make these things happen. That's like the closest analogy that I can think of to what's been going on in the Netherlands or Sri Lanka and some of these other places where they're trying to do good by these almost religious-based edicts around we should be doing this stuff to mitigate climate change, but without really understanding that, okay, maybe some of these goals are laudable that we want to get to, although I think we both agree that there's a lot of shit. You know, like, animal husbandry is not the enemy of a healthy planet. You know, it's just not.

But, you know, figuring out a way to minimize fossil fuel inputs into our food system, sure, let's do that. But let's do that in an iterative process where we don't crash

the whole goddamn thing and cause hundreds of millions of people to starve to death in the process unless the goal is depopulation. And if your goal is depopulation, I am not your friend. I am your enemy and I will die on that hill to fight it. So, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's beautifully stated. And it very well could be. I mean, when you think through rationally, like the decision-making process behind a lot of these things, what they've laid out, I've got a buddy named Michael Yon, who was a former Green Beret. He was recently on Jordan Peterson's podcast. He ended up flying Jordan Peterson out to the Netherlands to see what's happening firsthand. And he introduced me to a book called Red Famine, which talks quite a bit about the Bolsheviks and

Ukraine and dives into that. And one of the things he was saying is what we're witnessing right now in Europe is all, these are all the precursors, what's necessary to lay out for famine. And it could happen to Europe as soon as this winter or just a few years from now, but it looks like it's right around the corner if this path continues. And that's pretty frightening. And I really appreciate the point that you made, too, around religion. Jamie Wheal has an excellent book, Recapture the Rapture. I'm not sure if you've read that one yet. It's phenomenal.

And in one of the first chapters, he really dives into this. And, you know, when Nietzsche says God is dead, he's really talking about, you know, the old dying of the old guard of fundamentalism, even though there's still sparks of that around the world. But what that leaves is a gaping hole, and that hole will be filled with either wokeism or scientism or nihilism. And those three aren't going to do well for us. No, they're not. They're not.

And I think an interesting question is, why will they not do well for us? But the wokeism and the identity politics, it's this neo-Marxist thing that we've done this, we've danced this dance before. I have a dear friend, I lived with this Cambodian family for close to a year when I was studying Muay Thai down in Long Beach, California. And they escaped out of Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. And they watched their country get absolutely destroyed by this identity politics. There's always kind of sectarian things that emerge within different cultures. But in Cambodia, when the Khmer Rouge really came into power and they had this grand vision of basically an agrarian society, they were going to bring everything back to an agrarian society.

And it's a little bit like the Chinese view of this when the Maoistsoists um really really came into power but they created this this you had people who largely had the same religions largely looked the same had very very minuscule differences between them. But they managed to create enough friction around the tiny differences that they had between each other that folks were completely comfortable with killing each other in mass. This is where the story of the killing fields came from,

where my friends, they escaped out of Cambodia. They were pretty wealthy. His father worked in the banking system. But every couple of days, they would go to bed and then wake up and some family on their street, they would wake up and they were just gone. They disappeared in the middle of the night and they're never to be seen again. So they squirreled away whatever money they could. And in the middle of the night, they made a break for getting to thai border and they got intercepted by bandits and like they thought that part of the the group that they were with did get shot and and thought they were dead and like i was it was so crazy

kyle i was at a wedding 20 years after all of this stuff had happened and one of their daughters like i couldn't figure it out because the mom and dad of my friend, Selah, they were pretty young. And then they had all of these kids. They had like six kids. And I was like, dude, these kids are really close in age. Like, how does this work?

And then Selah told me that when they were trying to escape out of Cambodia, these other kids' parents got machine gunned you know at the border and and just killed and some of them were killed and so they these his parents adopted these kids like on the fly one of their daughters that they had adopted as she was getting married this woman comes running in the door and like all of this stuff is going on in cambodian which i i knew like five words of at the time and like there was like the shock and everybody looking around the the woman running in was the real mother of the daughter getting married she was shot didn't die pulled bodies on top of her to survive you know to hide there dug gold fillings out of teeth of dead people to be

able to buy her way into thailand made it to the united states thought her daughter was dead was at a supermarket and one of the checkout people mentioned oh malika is getting married today malika was the name of her daughter and it's kind of a unique name and she was like well who are these people she it was her fucking mom you know and so like and I'm like poking my friend Salem like what the fuck's going on he's like you're gonna have to wait and I'll explain all this stuff to you but the assessment is like three million people were murdered the the whole society was crushed and driven back to to like the virtually the Ages. And it was all over this kind of sectarian identity politics, which is this wokeism. And you and I are, I guess, concerned about it

because we're white, more or less straight males born in... I don't get how pushing back against this hatred and this insanity is a bad thing, but apparently it is. And there are all these historical examples of where this goes, and it's not a maybe, it always goes this direction. and categorizing people around their value based off of their identity, whether you're Catholic or Protestant or male or female or gay or this or that versus like a human being. Whenever we start doing that sorting, people end up dead in the massive numbers.

And so, my God, it's so concerning. And I do feel like there's a little bit of a turning. I felt like the train had so much momentum going the other way. 2020, 2021, I was like, I don't know if this thing's ever going to turn back around. I feel a little bit of a shift now but it's uh it's still super precarious i think yeah it's it's uh it's interesting times if you're you know not a parent and then if you're a parent you're like it's fucking nail biting times yeah you know there's no doubt about it have you seen um you probably haven't seen this but have you well maybe you have seen have you seen planet lockdown was going around, uh, Catherine Austin fits. Okay. I watched bits and pieces of it. I've heard her speak quite a bit.

She was, uh, I forget her role, but she was a part of, um, Bush jr's white house and, uh, a cabinet member and I think she had something to do with finance and really understands, you know, a great deal. Uh, it has been a whistleblower on a great deal of the fuckery that's happening within our own government and governments abroad. And she's spoken a lot about this idea of a digital prison that, you know, cameras going up, you know, your Orwellian state, basically, for people that haven't seen it. It's, you know, cameras on every streetlight. lot of these went up um in the last two years america has more cameras surveillance cameras per capita than china does so when we talk about social credit scores and

things like that people say that'll never happen here it's kind of the system's already being built is the long and the short of it um i was listening to an indian fellow from the silicon valley and i'll link to this in the show notes for people is a pretty cool uh zoom call that got posted on youtube for now it's available um and he really reiterates this very very plainly one of the things that he gathers at the end is if we don't learn from our mistakes this will happen again whatever government becomes the new government it eventually is infiltrated through um you know the ideas of greed power all the things that have that have kind of put us in this situation to begin with he kind of poo-pooed on like smaller you know communes

and things like that um but really you know i think i think it's not a solution to have 50 people living off the land and staying huddled together right but it not a solution to have 50 people living off the land and staying huddled together. Right. But it is a solution to have a small group of people living on the land that's connected to another small people living on the land and another small people living on the land. And the next county over, you've got some people in the next county over, you've got some people that really is a solution. There's an excellent book by Vaclav Havel. I think I'm saying that right. Jose will fix this in the show notes but he i think it wrote like power for the people he he went to jail in um the stalinist takeover of

of czech republic and he was imprisoned for not going along with it he got out he actually became the president of the czech republic and one of the things he said that kept them afloat so where they weren't able to be fully taken over was the fact that they had parallel systems in place and through that they were able to trade and barter for things that they needed to make sure things didn't get that way what are your thoughts on stuff like that i mean i know i know i just fucking rambled a lot about stuff you may have not been looking at, but it seems like the more real this side of the coin gets, the more necessary it's going to be to have things

like this in place. No, no, I'm right there, and you know, it's an interesting balance to strike. One could make the case of you need to go all in and have this completely off-grid setup and you need to know how to raise all your own food right now and all this stuff.

And if you want to do that, that's great, but it's a very, that's a lifestyle that you're never going to travel to Costa Rica again because nobody else is going to come take care of your farm and do all this stuff. And so it's interesting though that I think that there's kind of a middle

ground there of supporting local infrastructure around food production medical access law enforcement you know on and on and on and having like actual in real life people interacting and doing things. We're in Northern Montana now. And the cool stuff that happens around here, like there was a cider pressing a couple of weeks back before the snow really fell. And there were these folks that have these cider presses and they had a shitload of apples that they were just going to press

and give some apple juice to people and then use the mash to feed animals and do different things. But they're like, if you have a bunch of apples and you don't have a cider press and you want to make some juice, bring it down and we'll do it for you. And there was this big get together. And it was a couple of dozen people while we were there. And then there were people rotating in for the eight hours of the day. But there was a lot of interesting discussion and a lot of other good, interesting things that have come about since that. And I think that that's always been there. But the COVID story and then just the insanity within the political scene and whatnot has made people realize we

really need local connectivity. And I think that the point, it might be Naval that made this, the guy that you're referencing possibly, but trying to be a Luddite is not going to work. Trying to just eschew technology and modernity isn't going to work. We've seen people try to do this in the past. I mean, you have some examples of like the Hutterites and Mennonites and different folks like that that really askew a big chunk of technology and they kind of have their insular communities

and that's fine, but it's largely like tolerated by the society around them. If you have a society that is like, well, we're not going to let you do that, then you don't get to opt out. They're going to come in and vaccinate your kids and force educate them and do all that type of stuff. And that is where I think that some amount of thought put into to resiliency. Just thinking about food and energy and heating and cooling and water access and all that type of stuff. And we live in more rural areas, so that's a little more amenable

for us. People living in urban areas have maybe a different profile to be able to do that, but they still have stuff. You can still squirrel a little bit of food. You can still have a little bit of water squirreled away. You can have your bug out bag and your get back home bag and different things like that. You can learn some firearms training. You can have some self-defense training and you can have community that you can lean on if things go sideways. There's a guy, yeah, Pavel. There's a guy that talked about, it wasn't the Czech implosion, but it was in Serbia and Croatia, and just talked about developing these parallel systems. Like maybe you should have some silver on hand.

Something that we bought a shitload of are the little single serving alcohol containers, like you would get on an airplane. Oh, cool. Because they never go bad. They're fine in heat. They're fine in cold. They don't really freeze. But if we needed to get into a little bit of a barter scenario,

like that's a really night, like in good times, people drink. In bad times, people drink more. And so we have kind of a big flat of those that if things got a little bit sideways, then we have a couple of these bartering things. Because I'm not great working with my hands, repairing things. I've got a little bit of medical background. I was an EMT, so I can stitch people up and probably set a bone if I had to and stuff like that. So I've got a little bit of tradable skills.

But I think that all of those things are smart. The interesting thing about it, when my wife and I have made decisions around where to go in building these parallel systems, the thing that is the decision maker for us, will it improve our quality of life today, regardless of whether or not the world goes to shit? And if it's a yes, and there's not too many, you know, there's trade-offs with everything,

but if there's not too super heavy in the trade-offs and it improves our quality of life today, then we do it, you know? So whenever we can make a decision that we do something that creates an opportunity for community and for us to... We installed a simple pump. We're on a well, but we put this pump in where you can pump it, pump water out of the ground by hand, and then you can hook a hose up to that pump and then a hose spigot, turn it on, and then I can pressurize my pressure tank for

the house so that I could have water for the house. It was really cool. And as a family, we figured out how to install this thing. And so my 8 and 10-year-old daughters... And I'm an idiot with this stuff. But I told them, I'm like, Hey, I don't know how to do this. But this is one of the things that we're going to figure out how to do. And there were some cool online videos and stuff like that. And we got this thing installed. And then we pumped water out of the ground by hand. And my kids were like, fuck, yeah, that's really cool.

That was super awesome. And so we managed to turn that into a learning experience. And then we've done these other community-based things where we get out and meet people. And if there's older folks in the community that need some help, like yard work or whatever, then we'll go over and do some stuff with that. And then lo and behold, when their apple harvest comes in, they're like, hey, we have 50 pounds of apples we don't know what to do with. And I'm like, I absolutely know what to do with those. We're going to eat those. So yeah, I think building these parallel systems is genius. And it doesn't have to be like turning ones back on the current world or your current career or society. I mean, maybe you need to if

certain parameters are there. But I think we can find a little bit of a middle ground where we've got more resilience and we have a better community in real life immediately with us that creates those parallel systems or at least has the beginnings of that stuff going on. One of our good friends, they own a bison ranch nearby

and their big problem and the problem of all the folks locally who produce meat is that the processing options are very limited. People have to send meat far away typically to get it processed. There's not that many options here. And so folks have been looking at putting together

kind of a co-op where there would be three or four mobile slaughter units that could be owned within the co-op and go to different places and be able to process this meat. And it would be enough that you could keep a good segment of the local area in meat just using these mobile slaughter units. And it's something that the FDA oversees, but it's not controlled in the same way that a brick and mortar facility is and stuff like that. But that was something that grew out of this awareness that like, okay, this choke point with food access is at the slaughter and butcher level like we saw that during covid when all these folks

were getting sick and these these big slaughterhouses and they they just shut down and there was plenty of food available they just couldn't get it out to folks and we started having some shortages yeah we've seen uh quite a few meat processing and food processing places go up in flames mysteriously in the last year and a half as well. And there was one article. It's interesting how all these are worded. But there was one article that said, you know, all previous fires with regard to food processing, meat processing were arson. Like they were all previous.

But these are still under investigation. Like we're not sure. It's like, really? We're not sure? You're not sure somebody lit these on fire? And that's another head scratcher. But, yeah yeah i've been thinking quite a bit about that we you know we've started a regenerative farm it's only 118 acres um we've got quite a few hands on deck you know volunteers people that are a part of that and it's really just to produce more than we consume you know so it's going to feed you know a number a number of people locally and um all the excess you know we've made friends with an organic grocer down in Lockhart and we

supply them with a lot of goodies. But yeah, the meat thing, that was a curious one to me, you know, even a lot of the regenerative stuff, if it's processed at a USDA facility, you're still shipping that animal. We brought animals in, all of our animals had to come in other than the whitetail. And every time we brought an animal in, they're freaked the fuck out for two weeks. You know, I get really stressed because they've never been in a car before, never been on a truck ride. And to think about that, you know, you've got this incredibly regenerative, amazing animal. It gets shipped somewhere. It's kept in the dark for 72 hours. The clamp goes on and then no country for old ben behind the head

that's that's not you know halal that's not kosher that's not whatever the the actual you know attempt at having a sacred death would be and we found that you know if you own your own animal obviously with the co-op you guys found the same thing if you own your own animal and you know how to process it where we bring in you know our good buddy jared holmes who works with rome ranch you know is a excellent field guide for field butchering and then you get to learn butchering you get to learn a lot of cool shit that i never did before it's a deeper connection to the animal and the meat that you're harvesting and um and it's a really beautiful experience it's it's akin to like putting your own water pump in and now when you pump water you're like oh yeah like i

we did that right yeah you get it i get i get the t-bone that i'm about to eat because i remember making i remember you're doing the cut deciding do i want this to be a t-bone or do i want a ribeye and filet right and we said let's go t-bone you know and that's how it works so or new york and filet rather yeah i i think um some of the requirements of those that, that will continue to choose freedom over a docile, some form of docile enslavement is going to require more work. It's going to require just saying yes. But as you mentioned earlier, and it really is something where in the right set and setting in a common

present state, we're really good at problem solving. You know, if we've got blinders on and you think about that in a fight or present state, we're really good at problem solving. You know, if we've got blinders on and you think about that in a fight or in jujitsu, if you're panic mode, you got, you got tunnel vision. You're so fucked. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, there's no options. All the options are gone. Um, so, you know, opening that up is coming from a place of, uh, you know, a place of presence and equanimity, all those options open. Talk a little bit. You had an excellent podcast with Josh Trent. Talk a bit about how you convey this stuff to your family. You've got two daughters. I've got a son and a daughter. What are some of the things that you do

to educate them on mental health and really fill their cup so that they can keep that field of view open? One thing that I really try to do do is not and folks may call bullshit at this or they they may be incredulous but um i really try to talk about the different perspectives in the world first i'm like hey kids this is my view of things and like on on the covid side like there are people that think that it's it's this existential threat and that masks are effective and that the risk-reward story of a novel injectable therapeutic that isn't technically a vaccine, that the risk-reward thing, and we talk about risk. So I try to lay out multiple perspectives on this stuff. And then I will tell them, I'm like, here's my take on this and here's why.

So I'm really trying not to do the religious zealot angle on it where it's like, oh, those goddamn conservatives or liberals or this or that. I try to couch all this stuff in terms of like, here's what people think about this. And here's the different ways that they look at it. And then where does reality emerge out of that? And that's really what I've tried to do. And I will be crystal clear with them. I'm like, this is where my opinion is on this. And here are the facts behind it. I encourage you guys as you grow up and you get thrown different facts. If you see something that doesn't jive with what I'm saying, you call me out on it. You ask questions about it. And I need to be able to defend that. And defending it isn't saying, be quiet, not now,

whatever. It's like, okay, old man, you need to be accountable for this stuff. And they're only 8 and 10, but they're fucking smart like they and and they they figure stuff out and what's interesting is they um they have naturally gravitated towards this more libertarian you know like i don't harm you so long as you don't harm me if you start harming me i'm gonna harm you doubly because you started it and i'm gonna make sure you don't come back and try to finish it later and stuff like that both of them are good at jits both of them have a good stand-up you doubly because you started it and I'm going to make sure you don't come back and try to finish it later and stuff like that. Both of them are good at jits. Both of them have a good stand-up game for being 8 and 10. So they can dish some whoop-ass on people and they're just smart.

But they're also very emotionally attuned to stuff. So the big stuff that I try to do is make them critical thinkers. And this is the thing that I bring up again and again and again. These folks are saying this. So Sacred Cow is a great example because they got to watch the movie and they're like, oh, my dad helped make that movie. So there's some pride there and it's kind of cool. But I'm like, but let's check out these other things and what these other folks are saying. And we do.

And I'm like, where do you see the conflict here what do you see as being the stuff they're like well they're those people are saying that these animals are the main cause of climate change and is that really true and then we'll dig in and look at some of stephen conan's you know book unsettled and it's like well no you you know the. The science seems to suggest this. And so these have been the things that I... Broadly, I just try to make them good critical thinkers. And on the homeschool front, we are really emphasizing a math, physics background. They're not into physics yet, but we talk about it in broad brushstrokes. And there's a great series of books called Life of Fred, which is amazing for kids. And it spans

all the way from single-digit addition and subtraction all the way up into calculus and chemistry. And what the guy does, he was a PhD in mathematics, but he integrates all this different stuff into the day-to-day learning. And it's in the story of this kid named Fred, who's a professor at Kittens University. And it's very whimsical and funny, but there's a lot of cool shit in there. But the girls have already been exposed to concepts of thermodynamics, like energy flows and inputs. And at a conceptual level, they get it. And so they're really creating these critical thinking skills. I don't know what the world's going to be. There's all this weird AI stuff that just popped up. I could put into the AI, like write a biography of Kyle Kingsbury

and his exploits in the world. And this fucking AI will write something that's phenomenal and it's like 0.2 milliseconds for it to do it. So I don't know where... I don't know if you've seen this stuff. It is like jaw-dropping. It is crazy. And I don't know where that's going to take the world. But I do know that,

again, to be able to navigate any of it, we need to not be stressed, we need to not be in fear, and we need some critical thinking skills. And we kind of need to fundamentally know how the world works. And if you can read really well and understand what you're reading, if you can communicate both verbally and written in a highly effective way, and if you understand mathematics at a reasonable level and the basics of chemistry and physics and biology and just systems ecology, even if you do nothing in the sciences, you have a good steeping for just understanding the world. If somebody comes to you and they say, solar power is going to be the answer to all of our problems. It's like, okay, cool. So talk to me about how much energy goes into making a solar panel

versus how much we get out of it over the life cycle of that panel. People are like, oh, fuck. Okay, well, solar panel is a great thing in certain circumstances when you start putting some constraints around it like like that you know but i'm hopeful that the the girls are going to have a far better critical thinking rolodex than i had at you know hopefully they'll have it at a much earlier age because they're going to need it at a much earlier age than you and I did. The world was still good enough for you and me. I could be a complete fucking knucklehead

and the world would still take care of me more or less. It was like bowling for little kids where the bumper lanes come up. And it's like, you can only fuck up so much and you're still going to be in the game. But I think the stakes are higher now. Our kids are going to be the ones who are going to have to unfuck a lot of this stuff. And they're going to need to be very agile of mind and good at critical thinking and good emotional intelligence and all that. So those are the things that I try to work on them with is basic critical thinking skills and then a good understanding of how the world works,

which I think energy flows, evolution, and then economics, like understanding resource scarcity and how that drives decision making and challenges and whatnot. And I think if... Absent that stuff, I think that the world is magic. And I don mean magic in like a whimsical cool way i mean it as in you are a victim because you are one is so ignorant of the way the world functions that you have no input or say in the way that things function yeah there's there and to your point there are quite a few people that are just along for the ride um i was looking at the jordan peterson clip that you had posted uh talking about you know id 2020 or id 2030 and airports and facial recognition everywhere and a lot of that gets covered in the in the youtube video that i'll share in the show notes but um how many people are just going to

walk right into that and say, digital passport, cool. You know, like, and then not throw, they're just, they're not, they're so ingrained in the thing that there's no, there's no critical thinking about it whatsoever. It's just like, this is the new technology. Sure. They don't think about what this leads to or the potentials there. And any,

any talk or rhetoric around social credit or what's happening in China, it's just so far beyond what they see in their day toto-day. This is a free country that'll never happen here, you know, that they can just walk right into the thing. So much of what kids, you know, even when in our education, I went to public school and then later in college, and my colleges were junior college in Arizona State, number one party school in the nation. So it's not like I went to an Ivy League school or any of that stuff. But it seemed I got to learn a decent amount of things. And it didn't seem as much of an indoctrination as maybe it is today. It certainly feels with what they're teaching kids with relation to CRT and a lot of these things, that it's very much indoctrinating

them. And we've known for the longest time that school doesn't teach you how to think, it teaches you what to think. The memorization of facts, right? And I think the beautiful opposition of that, whether it's unschooling, homeschooling, however that looks, is we have to teach our kids how to think, not what to think. There's no memorization of anything other than a couple of rules of thumb when it comes to arithmetic and things like that. But really what it's about is being able to think critically for themselves because the percentage of people in the population that will be able to do that in the coming generations is slim and the world needs it more than ever. It really does. And my cynical side, I'm kind of like, am I setting my kids up to be heroes to help save a future world?

Or am I painting a target on them that they're going to be the first ones against the wall because they stand out? And I don't know, but there's all that saying of better to die on your feet than on your knees and all that type of stuff. And I definitely subscribe to that. And my wife read a book, The Fourth Turning, and I haven't been able to read it, but she's given me a good synopsis of that. And my wife read a book, The Fourth Turning, and I haven't been able to read it, but she's given me a good synopsis of that.

And I think that there... The cyclical view of history, I think there's something powerful there. And there's also something... There's hope because it's like, okay, it is not just a guarantee of a dystopian future. Like maybe we can thread this needle and get out the,

the, the, the backside of this thing and have more freedom and more opportunity. This is some of this stuff like web three, like the, the NFTs and blockchain and stuff like that, which I know has taken a beating in the media because, you know, like SBF, FTX collapsing and all these different things. But I really do think that blockchain technology and the decentralization of everything is the route through this. The more centralized power is, the easier it is to control and manipulate

markets and people and everything. And so, yeah, man, creating good little critical thinkers, it's going to be a lot on their plate, but it's going to be a lot on their plate either way. And again, I think arming these kids with the ability to be resilient, to be tough, to never give up these things that will hopefully serve them really well and hopefully serve the future of the world very, very well. Because we definitely will need that. The homogenization of thought and within like all that CRT stuff, there's a great book called Cynical Theories, which really digs into the history

of where the critical theories emerged. The neo-Marxists in the late 1960s, early 1970s realized that Marxism had failed, like abject fail, like Cuba was kind of the last holdout and it was an absolute disaster, but they weren't willing to give the thing up. And even though they acknowledged it was a failure, so they rejiggered it. And instead of just going straight ahead with this kind of Marxism as Marxism became critical race theory and gender

theory and all these different things. But it is always a segregating of the population. It is never a looking at a human being as a human being. Maybe I'm an asshole, but I'm just an asshole. I'm not an asshole because I'm white and male and cis and have kids. Those things don't make me an asshole. Those are peripheral things about my life. If I'm an asshole, I'm an asshole because I'm an asshole. But if you want to get people in a state to be really comfortable with killing their neighbors, then you make everything about all the other stuff and nothing about their fundamental humanity. And this is one of these things that I just, I can't... When I say that, I feel this kind of emotive part to it that it's like, that seems right. And I also don't see how I'm trying to control

anybody. Who's in control with that? There's no top-down control with any of that. But my God, there are people that get angry when I try to articulate it or just throw that out there. I'm like, hey, what do you think about this? They're like, oh, no, absolutely not. Gender and race and this and that these are the only things that matter i'm like really that's it like the the fundamental core of who this person is as a as a human being isn't the the most important thing it's all this other trappings like if they're if they're black or white or yellow or whatever but i'm blind and i have no idea what that means i was born blind it's like i have no fucking idea what you're

talking about and that's the most important thing you know it's uh yeah there's an excellent book uh two of them actually uh from douglas murray uh the madness of crowds where he really does yeah the war in the west was also an amazing follow-up but yeah he he really dives into into crt and and you know as he goes through the problem in society, he looks to the, you know, really the best thinkers throughout our history. And with that in particular, he brings in Martin Luther King Jr. And he says, like, this flows exactly counter to exactly what he was talking about in his i have a dream speech the dream that one day his his kids will not be looked at by the color of the skin will not be judged by the color of their skin but by their humanity it flies completely in the face of that and anybody who's a parent and witnesses kids

like you know racism is a top thing i remember racist kids and if i'd go hang out at their house it was the fucking dad or the mom that was regurgitating shit at a way more often than the kids do and by nature the kid's going to become that way um yeah i mean it's just so it's so it's so far beyond the stretch of any imagination to assume that because of skin color someone is is inherently born racist. and, um, Douglas Murray just does such an excellent job of showing like, look, even the,

one of the best thinkers of all time on race, you're going in the exact opposite direction of what this guy was trying to create for the world. Yeah. And I feel like we were like, uh, a hair's breadth away from that dream being realized. And then,

you know, like early two thousands, I felt like, oh, we're getting close. We're getting closer. And then it just took this turn. But that's where all this CRT stuff kind of went from the more social science side of the house in universities. And then the Brett Weinstein,

Heather Hying of Dark Horse, I never really understood the mechanisms behind this stuff. But as the math and science and physics departments developed HR infrastructure, the HR folks were the products of these critical race processes. And then those people became the interface of who they hired and who they didn't and started creating policies. And so when I was in my chemistry undergrad, none of this stuff seemed to exist. I remembered some of my poli-sci friends and different stuff. They were all into this. I'm like,

how the fuck are you guys talking about that? What are you getting educated about? What are you going to do with this? But there was none of that in the chemistry curriculum and chemistry scene, but it is now. It has come about because of this

HR interface being the gatekeeper of who now your chemistry and math and physics teachers are. And you got to tick these certain boxes around that. Well, one last thing I want to leave us with before we jam. You posted about it. It's been something that's been shared far and wide.

James Cameron, who's getting ready to release the 13-year long-awaited sequel to Avatar, has recently been in the media talking about testosterone as a toxin that should be removed from masculinity. And your reply to that was classic, and it's something I didn't even think about. Just aside from, you know, the funny memes of one of the, you know, the guy from Napoleon Dynamite as the Terminator. You know, the no testosterone Terminator. Things like that. We'll talk about this for a minute because, you know, he's a guy, you know, I think he helped fund What the Health. He also has $43 million invested in a pea protein company.

And he's been, you know, on the bandwagon, beating the vegan drone and down with meat and all these things. And now, just to call any hormone in the human body out is just beyond me. But talk a little bit about that. Yeah. And I was very delighted when Dr. Andrew Huberman popped into my comment on that. And he's like, you're spot on. What's been well understood is, looking specifically at men, men with normal high testosterone levels tend to be more empathic, more emotionally grounded, less aggressive. There's all this stuff. Now, we can talk about knuckleheaded teenage boys between 15 and 25. We are idiots.

Our frontal lobe hasn't formed yet. That's maybe a different story. And biology makes more boys than girls by a little percentage because not all the boys make it through that process because we're idiots. So there's maybe a little bit of something interesting to unpack there. But there's this assumption that masculinity, however you want to define that, is this bad thing and that it's driven of this high testosterone state. But this is one of these crazy things. He makes a statement not even aware that the dominant sex hormone in women is testosterone. So then this statement not even aware that the dominant sex hormone in women is testosterone. So then what are the implications for that? Okay, well, if testosterone is bad,

then women need to expunge themselves of testosterone also, which women with low testosterone levels have problems with muscle mass, with sexual function, with cognition. It's as if hundreds of millions of years of evolution and an endocrine system that goes back to sponges has some meaning for our biological situation. And even in modern kind of CRT

stuff, like when people are wanting to do transitions, they do hormones or hormone blockers to try to more closely emulate the gender that they're wanting to emulate. So it's another one of these really odd things. It's ironic. It's remarkably bigoted and hateful and just ignorant at a profound level. That is as uneducated as running someone down because of the melanin content of their skin. That is bigoted and ignorant and not based in science.

And for James Cameron to suggest that testosterone is a toxic substance and that we need to terminate it from our bodies and then solely assigning it to men, not even being aware that it's a critical feature of women and that testosterone is in higher abundance in both men and women across the board. This kind of encapsulates this whole thing. It's like you folks don't know what you're talking about. Like you literally have no idea what you're talking about,

but you're trying to steward all of our education, all of our media, all of our politics. You want to take over our food system, yet you have no idea about the fundamental truths of hormones in human adults. And we're just supposed to buy into this. in human adults, you know? And we're just supposed to, you know, buy into this. So yeah, I don't know, man.

It was really weird. And I had thought a lot about how to tackle that. And I'm like, well, be respectful and scientific about it because it's hard to get, you know, critiqued around that. And there was actually relatively little blowback as a consequence of that. I can get cheeky and be a prick with the best of them, but I was like, well, let's just be scientific and respectful. And that actually had a pretty profound response. Folks were like, I had no idea this was true. They got in and started researching and it's like, oh,

estrogen is reported in totally different units than testosterone in women. So it looks like it's higher, but it's actually just accounted for in different units. So, yeah. Funny. Funny shit, man. Well, yeah. It's funny. I love having you on.

You, in an insane world, help keep me sane. And I appreciate that. Where can people find you online and where can people listen to you more? RobWolf.com is where any action that I have going on, which I'm not doing a ton other than our Healthy Rebellion podcast, which I do each week with my wife. We do Q&A and we cover a lot of different stuff. I mean, mainly health oriented, but it's become a little bit of a Dear Abby show as well with some wacky but really interesting questions. So if folks have health-related questions, definitely jam over to robwolf.com, fire off some questions to me because I love

answering that stuff. The interface with folks is the way that I stay relevant in this scene because I can only know what I know. But when people are out reading and researching and thinking and experiencing different things, it's like I've got 1,000 or 10,000 research friends that they go out and try to figure things out. And if they don't understand the topic, they can ping it to me. And maybe because I've got a little bit more depth in this background, I can dig into it and learn about it myself.

Very cool. It's been excellent having you on. We'll do it again next year. I hope you guys have a beautiful holidays and close out and much love to you and your family, brother. Take care, man. Can't wait to see you. Thanks for watching!