Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #321 Re-Identifiying With Greater Versions Of The Self w/ Fr Sean O’Laoire

Episode Date: September 20, 2023

I can’t overhype this one enough yall! Sean was a Catholic Priest for a long time as well as a grandson to a true Christian Mystic in his Grandmother as well as an old druidic believing Grandfather. Luckily for us he uses those and all of his life experience to inform his cosmology. Today, he gives us a peek into that background as well as his take on the happenings of the world today. Go get his book, "Setting God Free", check out his site and enjoy/share the pod with your people. Love yall!!!    ORGANIFI GIVEAWAY Keep those reviews coming in! Please drop a dope review and include your IG/Twitter handle and we’ll get together for some Organifi even faster moving forward.   Connect with Sean: Website: spiritsinspacesuits.com  Instagram: @spiritsinspacesuits    Show Notes: Living 4-D with Paul Chek - #209 Sean O’Laoire: Setting God Free Spotify Apple   "Setting God Free" -Sean O'Laoire "Spirits in Spacesuits" - Sean O'Laoire "Why: What Your Life is Telling You About Who You Are and Why You're Here" - Sean O'Laoire "A Sensible God" - Sean O'Laoire    Sponsors: Organifi Go to organifi.com/kkp to get my favorite way to easily get the most potent blend of high vibration fruits, veggies and other goodies into your diet! Click that link and use code “KKP” at checkout for 20% off your order! PaleoValley Some of the best and highest quality goodies I personally get into are available at paleovalley.com, punch in code “KYLE” at checkout and get 15% off everything! Lucy Go to lucy.co and use codeword “KKP” at Checkout to get 20% off the best nicotine gum in the game, or check out their lozenge. Cured Nutrition has a wide variety of stellar, naturally sourced, products. They’re chock full of adaptogens and cannabinoids to optimize your meatsuit. You can get 20% off by heading over to www.curednutrition.com/KKP  using code “KKP” To Work With Kyle Kingsbury Podcast   Connect with Kyle: Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App  Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys - @gardenersofeden.earth  Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site    Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

Welcome back to the podcast, everybody. I've got shit. I don't even know how to put it. One of my favorite guests of all time, I think, is appropriate. is appropriate. Uh, I talk about this a little bit on the podcast, but how we met, but I was at a Paul check 62nd birthday recently. And he had asked me, I think if, uh, if I had heard his podcast with Sean O'Lowder and I'm, I'm not sure if I'm saying that name, right. It's funny. I try to attempt it at the end of the podcast, but Sean, who is the author of Setting God Free and had been on Paul's podcast. I remember Paul telling me like, you got

to fucking listen to this. It's going to blow your mind. This guy was a Catholic priest for 48 years, speaks a ton of different languages. And he has, you know, one of the most dialed in understandings of spirituality on the planet, which is awesome coming from that background. And so I was pumped, but I had missed that podcast. And it was while I was down there, I didn't have short time. So I just said, is it on Audible? He said, yes. And I bought the book and just chewed right through it. I actually found myself staying up late at night.

You may hear some violin in the background. That's my son playing. And I think it's lovely. So it won't be on the podcast. But anyhow, you might hear during this intro. Anywho, I could not put the book down and I was fucking, it was, it was the best thing ever. And we were watching, uh, the Sinead O'Connor documentary, which had a lot to do with the Irish Catholic church, uh, in the 1980s and nineties. And, uh, a lot of stuff that I didn't know. And it was

just really framing a world that, uh, I didn't realize I was growing up in. You know, I had my idea, my concept of what life was like growing up in, you know, what I consider to be a small town in Sunnyvale, California, Cupertino, California, 50, 55,000 in Cupertino, 120,000 in Sunnyvale. That was a small town to me. You know, it wasn't San Jose, it wasn't San Francisco or Oakland, it wasn't LA, but the world is much different

when you leave your small town, however small it is. Even if it's a big town, the world is much different when you leave LA. You're like, fuck, dude. LA is its own thing. Anyhow, so there was big framing going on on what the world is actually like in different places

around the time when I was forming my concept of the world. Sean is fucking brilliant. The book is absolutely incredible. It's one that I couldn't put down. I mean, the spiritual understandings that Sean has are on par with anyone that I could think of, from Ram Dass to Eckhart Tolle, anyone who's walked the earth at the same time that I have that I've really leaned on for a general understanding, he fucking gets it inside and out. And because he was so steeped in orthodoxy,

he understands really how to speak to what's wrong with orthodox understanding from the Abrahamic religions. And he does so beautifully. There's a trial in this book, Free hallway, the trial of the century, the trial of the millennium really. And it's entertaining and funny and fucking brilliant all at the same time.

So we cover that. We cover a lot of other things. We really dive into Sean's background, which I find just fascinating and awesome. He really has an amazing, amazing background from an amazing grandmother early on that really showed him how to pierce the veil. And I could see that.

I could see like, oh, that's where it was. You know, these seeds were planted at a young age for him to be able to see through to the truth of God. So anywho, you guys should all go to the show notes and buy this right now. If you're like me and really love listening, Sean reads his own book. He's got a fucking beautiful Irish accent, which you'll get to hear on this podcast. I try not to dive too much into the book just because the book is one that stands, you know, I don't want to give away shit. It's like, I know you're going to, if I know someone's going to watch a TV show or a movie, I try not to tell them much about it. I don't want to fucking spoiler

alert and that kind of stuff. So in this podcast, I really don't give too much away on, on the book, but I can assure you it will be one of the best things you've ever read or listened to as it was for me, especially if you grew up, um, going to church or in any, in any regard, whether it was a synagogue or, you know, a synagogue or something else from an Eastern faith. He's bridging the gap here for many, many people. He also has a great understanding of what's happening in the world today and what we're up against and really proposes some beautiful stories and anecdotes of how we should be moving forward and what is the next phase of humanity. And I find that to be fucking incredible. So we spent a decent amount of time on those topics.

And if you're still on the fence, here's the thing. If you're still on the fence about what's happening in the world, do you think 2020 was a blip? Like 9-11 was a blip in history. And thank God that's over. Now we're back to normal. If you're still there, that's okay.

There's a book coming out. And I'm gonna interview this guy very soon. His name is Seamus Bruner. Seamus, I think that's Sean O'Leary's brother. So Seamus, another Irishman, I think from the US. It's a book called Controligarchs, exposing the billionaire class, their secret deals, and the globalist plot to dominate your life. Everything in this fucking book checks out. It's everything I've been tracking. And I love this book too, because it's, it's, it's pulling a lot of, it's connecting a lot of pieces for people, including myself, where I can say, yeah, this documentary on the Rockefellers pans out with the purchase of the American Medical Association. And then, you know, when they started the Rockefeller Association,

you go through all these things, but there's a lot to connect. And I find that this book is going to explain in plain English what's happening in the world for a lot of people. So if it's a little over your head, when Sean and I get into that, trust me when I say we're not, we're not just talking out of our asses about our, our fears. There, there is, there are things happening right now. There are as plain as night and day. You can track it through following the money, which is always a good angle to look at. And you can track it through different organizations and, and literally the words that come out of these people's mouths. So it's, unfortunately it's not farfetched, but listen to this. And if you're still on the fence, when I interview Seamus in the near future here, you'll get a deeper understanding of what we're

talking about. But what Sean's offering is not doomsday shit. He's not offering a panic at the disco. He's simply stating, this is how we move through that world. This is how in the face of all adversity and potential evil, how we come into the best version of ourselves and operate. And I just love that.

I love Sean, really appreciate having him on. I will have him on any fucking time. He has the time and availability to love to meet him. It's also out in Norcal, which is really cool and coincidental. Um, share this far and wide. If anybody you think would find it interesting, particularly anybody who's coming out of, uh, some type of indoctrination from organized religion, if they're still steeped in it, it might be a little bit of a rude awakening. I joke that my mother-in-law likely wouldn't like setting God free. It might blow her head off. So if it's a clear no, understand it's a clear no. If there's

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that Paul Cech sends me to, and I was actually out at his place, and I remember when he gets really excited about a podcast, he's like, oh, there's a guy I just interviewed who's a 48-year Catholic priest, and he understands spirit as good as anyone on the planet. And he's like, I'm so excited for you to listen to this one. And for some reason, it just slipped through the cracks. I didn't get a chance to listen. I'll link to it in the show notes, the podcast you guys did.

Because Paul always does a great job, you know, in the long form podcast. But right then I got setting God free on audible and I could not put it down. I mean, it was just literally not, I was staying up late. I always know that I'm in a good book. If I, if I, if I have to stay up late or I find myself not falling asleep as I'm listening, but like wide awake till 11 o'clock at night. And then I really should turn this off just so I don't fuck tomorrow up, you know? Absolutely love it. And you have such a brilliant background.

It's actually really exciting to find someone with your life history speaking in the way that you are about God and spirit and the things that you've uncovered. And I've uncovered some of these truths, for lack of a better term, but some of my own realizations or inner remembering has happened through plant medicines. It's happened through fasting. It's happened through sweat lodges and really just having the little seeds dropped from indigenous elders and people that I've worked with. You know, my boxing coach, as I mentioned, was a mestizo Aztec Mexican man.

And he passed away, but he really, he held a container around me that allowed me to flourish and start to really retain a lot of the stuff that you uncover here. I'd love for you to go as deep as you can into what life was like growing up in Ireland. What led you to become a Catholic priest? And where along the way did you

start to kind of bring in these truths that were maybe counterintuitive to what you were being taught and what you were actually teaching people? That's a great question, Kyle. And so I started off like I'm the firstborn of the firstborn of the firstborn. My parents were very young when they got married, they were 19. And it was my father was the eldest in his family. And so my grandmother had a baby who was actually two months younger than me, my uncle Noel. And so we were raised together. And so my mother and my grandmother were pregnant at the same time, and my mother went by two months. So I'm born in October 1946. And my uncle Noel is born in December 1946. So my grandmother persuaded my mother to give her a loan of me so I could be raised with my uncle.

So we were raised almost like twins, although I'm two months younger than him. So I spent the first six years of my life then living with my paternal grandparents. And my great-grandmother was alive still. She was alive until I was about 10 years of age. And I couldn't pronounce her name, so I called her Muddy. And Muddy was about five foot tall and about four and a half feet wide. And she was a total Christian mystic. Particularly, she had this extraordinary relationship with Mother Mary. And she would talk aloud to Mother Mary.

And I'd be privileged to these conversations. I mean, I could only hear one side of it. But I presumed that this was the norm. That you could dialogue across the veil. And in Gaelic we have a term for that. It's called a chael oith. And a chael oith means a thin place. A place where the veil between the mystical and the mundane is diaphanous.

And you can, you know, conversations happen and the fairies come through. You know, the fairy folk come through. And so it was obvious to me that my great-grandmother was constantly moving across through this veil. So I presume that was the norm. So it's like mysticism was kind of

the birthright of every human being. And I believe it actually is. And then at age six, my mother came and took me back. And now I'm raised by my maternal grandparents. And so my mother's father, I called him Daddy Jim. And he was like, he was a druid in the sense that he was a brilliant Irish stepdancer. He was a constant musician. And he was the best storyteller I've ever come across in my entire life.

And he filled me up with all the great mythology of Ireland going way back before the Celts to what are called the Tuatha Dé Danann. The people who shape-shifted allegedly about the year 600 BCE when the Celts, you know,

attacked Ireland. They were called the Milesians at that stage and they'd come from Central Europe. And they defeated the Tuatha Dé Danann in two great battles at Moetura. And they made an agreement with each other to divide the land of Ireland equally between the two groups, between the Tuatha Dé Danann and the Celts.

But the agreement was that the Celts got all of Ireland above the ground and the Tway and the Danden got all of Ireland under the ground. And so they shape-shifted and became what we call as the little people or the fairy folk. And so these were really, really

important and real for me as a child growing up in Ireland. Everybody took them very, very seriously. And my grandfather had encounters regularly with these and would talk to me about them. So, hey, there's a really interesting mix of mystical Christianity and druidical

pre-Celtic spirituality. And so I decided I was a really good athlete. I didn't go into boxing and stuff like that, but I played an Irish game called hurling. I don't know if you've ever seen it, but I played an Irish game called hurling. I don't know if you've ever seen it. It's played with a stick.

It's the oldest ball game in the world. It goes back to 1287 BCE. And it's played with a stick like a hockey stick. And the ball is like a baseball size. And you're not wearing any protection. There's 15 inside, a lot of physical contact. You know, and the ball is traveling at 95, 100 miles an hour. You know, and there's a lot of physical contact, you know, and the ball is traveling at 95, 100 miles an hour, you know, and there's a lot of physical contact.

So I played that until I left for Africa at age 26. And so at the end of high school, I had represented my high school and my college in Hurley, but I decided I wanted to be a priest, but I was really embarrassed about it because it sounded like a really wimpy thing to do. You know, I was a jock. So being a priest but I was really embarrassed about it because it sounded like a really wimpy thing to do. I was a jock so being a priest I didn't tell my parents I was about time to leave to go to the seminary

so I go to my mother we're a very poor family so I never got any pocket money and I said to her they told me I needed a full physical to make sure that I was a real boy before they would accept me and so I needed 10 shillings to go to the doctor to do a full physical to make sure that I was a real boy before they would accept me.

And so I needed 10 shillings to go to the doctor to do a full physical. So I go to my mother and I said, I need 10 shillings. She said, what do you need 10 shillings for? That was like about $3 at the time and a lot more than I'd ever get. So I said, I need to go to the doctor. Why are you going to the doctor? Are you sick? No, I'm not sick. If you're not sick, why are you going to the doctor? Are you sick? No, I'm not sick.

If you're not sick, why are you going to the doctor? So then I tell them. So that was the way I broke it to them. And so then I go to the seminary at age 18 and then spent the next eight years studying psychology, spirituality, Bible study. And I was also attending the university and studying pure mathematics and mathematical physics. And so then at age 26, I'm released on Africa, and my mission is to go and convert the heathens to the light of Christ. And I realized really, really quickly that they had much more to teach me than I had to them. So it reminded me of something I'd learned earlier on. I was raised kind of bilingually Gaelic and English

and so all of my education was through Gaelic I learned math through Gaelic and history through Gaelic and I would spend many of the summer vacations in areas in Ireland in which Gaelic was still the mother tongue and I had a fascination with proverbs in Gaelic we call them shanachil. And shanachil literally means ancient words.

So I spent one summer holidays in a village called Cholé, collecting proverbs from the elders. And I'd go from house to house and say, give me a proverb and tell me in what context I'd use it. But I always remember one old man saying to me, he said, if Christianity had never come to Ireland we could live according to the Proverbs. And he was absolutely right.

Because stories are the archived wisdom of any culture and Proverbs are the kind of the one line of distillations of the stories. So when I went to Africa I found myself like, I felt like it was in biblical times. The area I lived, I lived in a semi-desert area with people who had been nomadic pastoralists,

and I'm learning, I learned four different languages there, and I'm learning their mythologies and their folklore. And so I began to say to them, you know what? If Christianity had never come to Africa, you could live according to the Proverbs. So that's what I was doing. That was trying to cross-fertilize my Proverbs and my stories as an Irish Catholic with their stories. And that's how I spent my time, just cross-fertilizing so that

we could learn from each other and create a kind of a mega story that represented the real depths of the human psyche. So I very, very quickly realized I wasn't there to convert anybody. I was there to kind of cross-fertilize with them. That's so brilliant. Yeah, I think, yeah, my mother-in-law actually has done a lot of missionary work. She went to India and she's still, you know, right when I was reading it,

I started thinking of her because she spent 10 days with us. And I was like, eh, maybe, you know, in 10, 20 years, I can do that. It might blow her head off right now if she read it. But I wondered how many times, you know, like what it takes, you know, is likely an open heart and obviously where you started with having your grandmother and all the seeds that were planted at such a young age in your spiritual and mental garden were already there and ready. So when you went, like you could, you were in a position to receive the wisdom and the knowledge and the teachings of these different cultures. And so many people that go on missionary work are fixed in being the elder, the teacher,

no, this is how it works and that kind of thing. And I just think that that's such an awesome, an awesome thing that you were able to take that with you in a place where then you could then receive more indigenous wisdom. And, and instead of really forcing what you had been taught to them, you were just soaking that in and seeing where their parallels, how did this look? And I think that's, that's absolutely incredible. That's beautiful. you're absolutely right and so i'm reminded of a phrase that carol

young used he talked about gnostic intermediaries and a gnostic intermediary is somebody who is really well versed in two totally different systems and can cross fertilize into their mutual benefit and so i think that's, not just interculturally, but for me it is especially true between science and mysticism. So I coined a phrase many years ago, I called it a mysticist. And a mysticist is somebody who is well-versed in real science and also in mystical spirituality and can cross-fertilize into their mutual benefit.

People like maybe Teil or Sharma. And so I really believe that that's the future of the human family. It is cross-fertilizing these two because we're stuck at the moment with a fundamentalist spirituality which has shot itself in the soul and a fundamentalist materialistic science

that has shot itself in the head. And we're faced now with a God-shaped hole in the human psyche. And our job is to kind of win, you know, mystical science with mystical spirituality. That's our job. And I saw my function in Africa was to try to look at these great cultures. And one of the things I realized very quickly was I began to experience past lifetimes and to really understand reincarnation for the first time.

You know, I'd heard about it, but it didn't make any sense to me. But then I'm living with tribes of people who have a belief system in reincarnation, but it was a very interesting system. So when a baby was born among the Kalinjin peoples of East Africa, it would be given three different names. The first name had to do with the circumstances of the birth of the child. So if I asked a child, you know, what is your name? And he said, my name is Kiprop. I knew that he was born

when it was raining. If I ask a girl what her name was, sheiprop. I knew that he was born when it was raining. If I ask a girl what her name was, she'd say, I know that she was born during a famine. So the first name told me exactly the circumstances of the child's birth. The second name was called which meant the porridge name. And it was a special name

that only the mother could use with the child. And if the child was you know being obstreperous or even later on as a teenager being antisocial the mother would pronounce this special name and the child just go you know center and then the third name was this they'd call in an elder of the tribe who knew the ancestry of this little baby and he started naming off the ancestors in chronological order. And when the child sneezed, they'd say, ah, that's the ancestor come back.

So they believed in reincarnation that the ancestors kept recycling themselves. So it was my first real exposure to a group that actually espoused reincarnation. And then since then, I've had many personal experiences of my own reincarnations and so I know that I've been a druid in the past lifetime I know I've been a catholic theologian I know I've been a heretic and my very first one was being a young Tibetan girl giving birth to her firstborn

child so I was obviously Buddhist and so the idea of being prejudiced at this stage by being male or white or catholic or Irish didn't make any sense to me whatsoever and so I idea of being prejudiced at this stage by being male or white or Catholic or Irish didn't make any sense to me whatsoever and so I began to see okay this is just a new incarnation a new configuration to see if I can overcome the prejudices of this present configuration and realize that the configuration doesn't matter all matters is, can you still learn to love with this combination of factors? You know, are you going to get stuck in the externalities of the factors and buy into the prejudices of your own group? So that's one of the reasons why in my time in Africa, it was easy for me to listen and not just to preach. And how old were you when you were in Africa?

Another fact that I'm coming to mind is like, when you enter the seminary, you were young, but you already had these pieces within your heart, for lack of a better term, opened up. Did you have anybody that was in the orthodoxy that kind of was leaning more on the mystical side of things? Or was it just fucking orthodox, old school, this is the way God is,

this is what you read, this is what you recite, this is how you teach when you go see the heathens? Who was on the team? Was there anybody that you could count on there to keep that alive in you or was this something that was reawakened once you got to Africa? It was an interesting combination, Kyle,

because I had several people, including my own spiritual director, a guy called Eamon Hayden, who's still alive and a dear, dear friend of mine at this stage. He's now in his late 80s. But he was a real traditional Catholic, but he had a heart of gold and was a deeply loving man. And so he held his truths lightly. He wasn't promoting it or he wasn't a Bible thumper in any way. He was much more open open but definitely the teaching was very very orthodox

so it was only after I'd actually gotten to Africa that I could look at the beauty and the love of these people and divorce it from the articulation of it, so I wrote my first book in 1983, I went to Africa in 1972 So I wrote my first book in 1983.

I went to Africa in 1972. And I wrote my first book in Swahili in 1983. It was called Ukweli Ninini, Truth, What Does That Mean? And I wrote it as a story of the Christ child visiting a village in East Africa and interacting with the kids, you know, and answering their questions. So it was a story form. And so I was trying to articulate at that stage the really, really

important truths of spirituality, not just of Catholic Orthodox teaching, in response to the questions of the children and the responses of this Christ child. So that was probably my first articulation of a pan-spiritual understanding of theology. So those earlier people, you know, they had orthodox viewpoints. They were held in hearts. They were loving hearts. And so it wasn't kind of stereotyped or kind of set in concrete. Yeah, at least if the love is there, it's gonna be less,

there's less of a confining teaching. Even if they're still holding the truth inside as this is my truth, I think with the heart open, it's a little easier to be in a state of allowance. Like, all right, even as a parent, you think if I truly love my kids and I think they're going the wrong direction, I'm gonna allow that to a certain degree.

I'm not gonna force them to do everything the way that I want them to. And I could, I could see that as, as, you know, potentially some of the Orthodox, but if their heart is open saying like, okay, you know, he believes in some of the more mystical things and maybe that's from his upbringing, but over time we'll come to the same place or all, you know, there's more of an allowance there I could see taking place. The reason I bring that up is because as we were talking before the podcast, when I was hanging with Paul Cech on his 62nd birthday, we were watching the documentary on Sinead O'Connor. And that was a real eye-opener for me because, you know, I was born in 1982 in Northern California. And, you know, the Bay Area then, I mean, it's funny, you think of Silicon Valley and all the ups and downs about it now. But I mean, at that point in time, you know, we're 20 years post psychedelic renaissance, sexual revolution, all these things. And a lot of that stuff stuck around, and I remember asking, I was like, why are they, we were in San Francisco and I was like, guys kiss guys?

And my mom was like, sometimes. And that was it. You know, like there was no fucking, it was just like, okay, cool. Sometimes they do that, you know, like no big deal. And then there were places, you know, like when we moved to Central California for a little bit and I don't know how it is now,

but at that point in the late 80s, my mom was in real estate and nobody would buy a house from her. And she claimed it was because she was a woman. So we wanted to move back to the Bay. We did. Her real estate career took off. It tracked at least, you know, that story tracked a little bit. And making my way outside of California, I could see like different parts of the United States operated completely differently. But I thought, you know, in the 80s, like the world was a certain way, as most people would think based on where they're from. And so going back in time, you know, I had bought a lot of the, you know, Sinead's a radical, she's, you know, this and that, you know, because of what

she was saying, you know, and the position she had, you know, when she tore up the picture of the Pope on Saturday Night Live, like that was a big fucking deal in American history. And everyone, you know, every pundit on earth came up to say like, shame her, how dare she, blah, blah, blah. You know, Joe Pesci went on Saturday Night Live and said, you know, it's right in the good fellas days. He said, she deserves a good slap. You know, and he's got his Italian accent and it's like, man, and everyone's cheering.

But to see like what she went through and what the Irish Catholic church actually looked like in that timeline in the eighties and nineties was mind blowing. Like there was no chance for abortion. There was no chance for, for any women's rights. There was no chance for any of this stuff. And it was like that, that's really what she was up against in the same timeline. You know, and for me, it was like, you know, my mom could get a job doing whatever she wanted and ensure maybe some places she'd have it a little harder than others, but in the Bay, she was totally fine to literally do whatever she wanted.

She could sell, she made, you know, six-figure income year after year. You know, it was like, she's very successful. And I think about that, that's my, kind of my counter there, you know, like in worldview with where these places were at along that timeline. And, you know, being that you're quite a bit older than Sinead, you know, you've gone through and you were steeped in that, you know what I'm saying? And so like, this is how I'm trying to match up. Like what was your experience like with what was portrayed on TV and what her

experience was like is, you know, those are, those are the things I'm trying to connect there, the dots. I don't know if that makes sense, but. It makes perfect sense, Cain. And so it's interesting to me that it was Lord Acton who famously said, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And the backstory to that is,

this was in the late 1860s. Lord Acton was an anomaly in the sense that he was a British aristocrat who maintained his Catholic upbringing. He was a very dedicated Catholic. But at this stage, you know, Pius IX is trying to create infallibility. He's trying to create a doctrine of papal infallibility. So, I mean, it's amazing that the church existed for 1,870 years

without figuring out that the Pope was infallible, and now suddenly this guy wants to declare infallibility. So he calls the First Vatican Council. And Lord Acton very famously said, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. There is no way anybody should be declared infallible. But it got ran through. And it was kind of a soft place to name

because he just lost the papal papal states the uh the kind of the papacy of the middle ages had their own whole swipes of europe and now garibaldi was leading the freedom of the italian people and taking back the papal states so pious the ninth was kind of you know got it in his nose he needed to be compensated in some way so he wanted to clear himself and follow up so they pushed through this doctrine of papal infallibility in 1871, which was a total disaster. Now, so it's interesting that in Ireland at this stage, Ireland had just gone through a very, very difficult period of British occupation where the Catholics were subject to the, what are called, the penal laws. So Catholic priests were killed on sight.

They were beheaded if they were found. It was illegal to be Catholic. It was illegal to own a horse that was worth more than five pounds at the time. It was illegal for a Catholic to live within five miles of a city. It was illegal for a Catholic to get educated. And so they were totally suppressed. And it was the Catholic priests who held them together. They were educated on the continent in big Irish colleges in Louvain and in Spain,

and then snuck back into Ireland. And they created what were called hedge schools, where they were educating little kids. They were teaching them Latin and Greek and geometry, little kids, you know. So they managed to keep, you know, education alive. And so it was the Catholic priests who allowed, you know, a spirit of freedom to prevail all through the 1700s and up until 1829 with what was called famously the Catholic Emancipation Act,

where finally the British Parliament allowed Catholics to be legal and priests to be legal. So for that entire period of time, it was Catholic priests who were the saviours. And now in 1829, you know, they're recognised and now they're the big guys. And of course, now again, power begins to come in and power begins to corrupt. So between 1829 and like 1960, they're grabbing a hold of the Irish population and even of the Irish constitution.

And now it's become a kind of a radical, almost like an anti-Islamic state. And so when the time that Shinaidah kind of gets there, she as a prophet is talking about that situation. I'm sure if Shinaidah had been born in the 1700s, she'd been on the other side of the equation and advocating mightily for the freedom and the kind of respect for the Catholic clergy.

So it's a question of where is the group at any one stage of its evolutionary trajectory? Now, I'm seeing that there's a need at this stage, in Ireland even, and here, for some kind of a return to spirituality. I think we've lost our spirit completely. And it feels to me like that we're living in a times when God is being destroyed from the human psyche.

I like to see my dreams before I go to sleep at night. I put out an idea and say to my soul self, give me a hit on this. And a few months ago, I said, I want to understand what is the difference between sin and evil. And I woke up about three o'clock in the morning, and here's what I got. And what I heard was, sin is the individual transgression of a culturally created precept. It's made up. Sins are just made up. Whereas evil is a cosmic conspiracy using human intermediaries to separate souls from source.

That there literally is almost like a cosmic conspiracy using even off-planet entities, conspiring with entities on the planet to totally destroy religion and the family and little children. So I started a group a few months ago called Mama Bears and Women Warriors to try to fight for the rights of little children and the extraordinary indoctrination that's happening in our school systems right now.

So we've swung to the other side. So trying to maintain a balance between real spirituality on the one hand, without kind of straying into kind of fundamentalist moralistic thinking, holding that balance is really really really difficult. And we keep

swinging from one side to the other. So we need to find a middle place that honors deeply our spirituality but that divorces it from the hegemony of any particular religious group. That's brilliant. I assume that you listened to Chuck's podcast on Lucifer, Christ, and Aravon.

It was brilliant. Yeah, from Steiner's stuff, exactly. I think of that as a balance point. And to me, it actually makes more sense to even, you know, to, and you may know this too from reading into older texts and things like that, that Satan or the devil loosely became one being. But prior to that, there were differences, you know, between, you know, these two gods or these two, you know, demigods and that one was drawing you to elevate, you know, and connect you, but also in a way that, you know,

this is Maya's delusion. It's no longer important. You want to, you know, levitate past this thing. Be a certain way now so you can go to heaven and never return to this place. You know, like this is all bullshit. Nothing here matters. You should be focused on the next place.

And then the other, of course, you're only flesh and bones. This is the only thing that exists. And, you know, we should be fully focused in this place and don't even, don't think about anything else other than that. And it's, it's funny to see, you know, where this shows up kind of in the ladder of, of, you know, you're the orthodoxy that says this life is bullshit. You should be working towards, you know, being a good boy or a good girl and going to heaven. Or even new age philosophy where it's like, you know, ascension is the whole name of the game and you never want to come back here, you know, that kind of thing. And then, um, scientism, you know, or atheism where you have these concepts of like, this is the only thing that matters. The universe is completely fucking random. I love how you break

apart each of these individual things throughout the book. And really, you expose the whole gamut of what's true, what's not true, where it needs improvement. I think that's such a beautiful piece because we live in a world now where our attention span has been shortened and shortened and shortened. And so we want the meme. We want the one-click thing. We want the headline to read and then swipe right we're fucking done with it as opposed to actually looking deeper into that why is it that a headliner would suffice we a lot of people aren't actually looking into the thing but the fact that you really open these up and uncover top to bottom where it's right where it's wrong where it needs improvement i think is such an important piece

beautifully said beautifully said and so years and years and years ago i came up with my own think is such an important piece. Beautifully said. Beautifully said. And so years and years and years ago, I came up with my own version of what I consider to be fundamentalism in any arena, whether it's religious or economic or political or whatever it is, that fundamentalism always goes through four stages. The first one is that you reduce a very complex phenomenon to a bumper sticker, you know, because that's our attention span so it's like you say everything you say about an issue with just a one-line bumper sticker that's the first stage always the second stage is then you have to identify some kind of an enemy figure or create one if none one comes handy the third stage is

you have to vilify and even dehumanize the enemy. And then the third part, we have to attack them. And I see that again and again and again. I saw it, for instance, in Rwanda, between the Hutu and the Tutsi, where in a period of three months, 900,000 Tutsis were murdered by the Hutus. And what they do is you reduce the complexity of an African nation down to a one-liner. We are the good guys and they are the bad guys. The Tutsis being the bad guys. And then secondly, you kind of dehumanize them.

They call them cockroaches was the term they used for them in their language. And then the third thing is you identify know, you identify them as the problem and then you attack them. And 900,000 people were killed in the three-month period. Now, that's happened all over the world again and again and again. It happens in Mao's China. It happens in Pol Pot's Cambodia. It happened in Stalin's Russia.

It happens again and again and again in the Armenian crisis. It happened in Ireland in the famine, the alleged famine of 1845, 1846, 1847, which wasn't a famine. It meant that just a single crop of potatoes failed. But because of the British colonial presence and the extraordinary kind of oppression of it, it was the only food people had to eat. And so the population of Ireland went from 8 million people in the 1840s down to 4 million people within 10 years through death and through immigration. And so again, you

get the oppression of the people with the British press portraying the Irish as these lazy bastards who couldn't get off their arses, you know, and do decent day's work. And so it becomes really, really important then that we not resort to kind of simplistic kind of analysis and solutions to extraordinarily complex phenomena. I think the piece you just brought up was something that I was actually curious about. Just in looking at the world right now, if you think about, you know, like there are some bumper stickers that actually, you know, are apropos for the time we're in, right? Divide and conquer, again, is something that we see, you know, that you're speaking to. You know, control the narrative, control the people. We've seen that from 2020 going forward.

And control the food, control the people. There's been 120 food and meat processing plants within the United States. I think 115 in the United States alone, 120 plus in North America alone that have been blown up in the last two years. And the media's not talking about this, but I mean, none of these things before, like, you know, even if it's reported somewhere, it'll just say still under investigation. Like we're not going to make a claim on this, but all previous times a meat or food processing plant was on fire, it was arson, right? Somebody set it on fire.

So every time in recorded history somebody set this on fire, we don't know yet, right? Times 115 or times 120. It's pretty mind-blowing. So you control the food, control the population. And I think of, you know, with what happened in Ireland, it looks like potentially the table's being set for that here. So it's a little frightening when it comes to that.

It is frightening when I start thinking about things like that. I totally agree with you. And so that to me is a typical situation in which I see evil as the kind of the cosmic conspiracy using human intermediaries to separate souls from a source. That the agenda behind this is kind of, there are multiple agendas behind it. I think the first one is to significantly reduce the world population. I had a powerful vision about 10 years ago, actually it was 2012, in December 2012. There's a creek that flows through my property here called Pena Creek and I spent lots of time down there, you know, just

sitting on the side of the creek and I went down there a few years ago and there's this man, an astral being, sitting on the side of the river with his feet down in the water and he's just wearing kind of dungarees like an old farmer and he's got a piece of grass and he's chewing the piece of grass and I sit beside him and I pluck a piece of grass and I'm chewing it and in my mind I say I wonder if he's going to tell me a story

and he turns to me and aloud he says yes I will and he tells me a story he says he's part of a group of people who move throughout the universe and the galaxies and are seeding life in different areas. And he said, I've done this thousands and thousands of times. And I can predict very accurately how each project is going to go up to the time when a species evolves, which is given the gift of free will. And at that stage, all bets are off.

I can never predict after that how it's going to work out. Up to then, fairly straightforward. It's almost like a mathematical algorithm. I can predict exactly what's going to happen. Once they're gifted with free will, the ability to make their own choices, all bets are off. And he told me at that stage, this was 11 years ago, he said your species is

facing what he called a trifurcation into three groups. Homo sapiens is facing a trifurcation point. And the first group he called homo sociopathicus. People who are absolute sociopaths

and psychopaths who are dedicated to controlling the world's resources and including the people on the planet. And the second group, he called it homo artificialis. They're going to create robotic cyborgs that will be programmable and hackable. And the third group, he said, is homo spiritualis. And these are people who will resist

homo sociopathicus and refuse to become homo artificialis and there's going to be a titanic struggle and at this stage it's not obvious who's going to win but be aware of the fact that that's the situation into which you parachuted in this incarnation

and I see that all around me, this extraordinary kind of agenda, using every possible excuse, whether it's burning of the factories, whether it's the fires in Maui, whether it's the quote of the lockdown, whether it's the transgender movement being foisted upon little kids in schools, whatever it is, to literally destroy the family unit, to totally destroy childhood and the innocence of childhood, to destroy religion,

the family system, in order to create utter chaos in which the numbers can be significantly reduced and we can be persuaded to become cyborgs. Allegedly, there'll be a huge benefit. You won't need keys to get into your house.

It'll be embedded in your benefit. You won't need keys to get into your house. It'll be embedded in your wrist. You can buy by just putting your wrist against something. And of course, these cyber currencies, it means they can obliterate you. You don't even exist if they choose to make you non-existent. And so that's the struggle. But I keep telling my own people,

you weren't blindsided when you volunteered to come down this time around. You volunteered to be here and you volunteered to be here now, knowing precisely the situation into which you were parachuting because you were coming down here to be emissaries of light and you have to kind of be prepared for the kind of the uh

the contraction pains and the kind of labor pains of giving birth to homo spiritualis but you better know that you're going to go through the ringer in the process yeah it's a massive one it's funny uh the the analogy you're using right now is the same one that peter crone used with me you know because he's like, you say, I imagine you were a part of your children's birth. And I was like, yeah, I helped pull Bear out and we did a home birth with Wolf. And this was the master bedroom before we converted it.

All the beds are upstairs now. So the kids don't have to walk downstairs in the middle of the night. And I remember catching my little girl, you know, and just being like that close to it. But that is as close as I can be to the experience as a man without actually giving birth myself, which is an impossibility,

contrary to what common people might say in the world right now. And that proximity shows in detail the absolute pain and full ceremony that takes place in childhood delivery. You know, and he used that same analogy. He's like, it's messy. There's blood, there's poop. Some people don't make it, right?

All these things are possible in that birthing process. And that really, really landed for me. And it's, you know, it's been a mind fuck on the one hand as I uncover more and more it's, you know, it's been a mind fuck on the one hand, as I uncover more and more of this, you know, like, uh, I was talking to, um, uh, I forget I was chatting with, but I think it was Jamie wheel, um, in, you know, the guy who wrote sapiens, you know, you've all know Harari and then Homo Deus and 21 prompts for the 21th century. Right. Like I remember reading sapiens like, this is great. He kind of talks about animism. Like it's, you know, a thing of the past, not like he doesn't understand it, you know, like he doesn't

understand like that is what they were pointing to is the thing, right? Like this, everything is consciousness, everything is intelligent, everything has that anima and intelligence. So, you know, but all right, cool, I could get with that. And then when he gets into Homo Deus, he kind of outlines like this is where humanity is handy, humanity 2.0, trans could get with that. And then when he gets into Homo Deus, he kind of outlines like, this is where humanity is handing humanity 2.0 transhumanism and that kind of stuff. But now if you let it listen to him on a world economic forum stage, he's saying literally, he's not beating around the bush anymore. He's like, we will be able to control every aspect of the human body through genetics. We will be able to through nanotechnology, through CRISPR, through all the things. And he's pointing to what transhumanism actually means, but I don't think people are connecting the dots.

Like this is where they want to take a certain section of humanity is into this merger of human with machine. And it's not just to live to your 1,000 or to upload consciousness into a machine. There are control mechanisms that go hand in hand with this. It's like, is nobody else hearing the same shit I am?

Like, why aren't alarm bells being rung? It's fucking mind-blowing. You're absolutely right. And I've spoken so many times in homilies to my own community over the last year. Because like you, I was really impressed with his first book. And then I read his second book. And then I started listening to his proclamations from the WEF. And I'm absolutely shocked, you know, at the viciousness of this mindset. I read his second book and then I started listening to his proclamations from the WEF.

And I'm absolutely shocked, you know, at the viciousness of this mindset, the Klaus Schwab's of the world, you know, and the Yuval Harari's of the world and the Bill Gates of the world that have an agenda for the human family, which has nothing got to do with a kind of blossoming that which is beautiful and lovely and spiritual, suppressing it completely, and just making machines that can allegedly live forever. And so that's a great contest of our times, I believe. And I think it took a lot of courage for human beings to volunteer to come out of this time and at this stage.

I was talking yesterday, actually, I've been looking at this phenomenon of free will. How free are we? You know, and we misunderstand what free will is about. You know, for one person, free will is the ability to do as I please when I please, like a tree will throwing a tantrum. And that's not free will.

And so free will is the ability to choose the good. So the only truly free person is somebody who's making choices for good again and again and again, because only that person is free from addiction, you know, and moodiness. The person who's indulging every particular whim is absolutely

incarcerated by their own addictions of various kinds. And so the conclusion I kept was that before we incarnated, we made choices to take part in an incarnation that would have inbuilt restrictions and restraints. And I use the example of games. If you were playing a golf game or you're playing a soccer game

or you're playing an NFL game or rugby, there are totally different rules. The ball is a different size. In some, you're allowed to kind of interfere with the opposition to kind of charge them. Others, you can't. With soccer, you can't even handle the ball unless you're the goalkeeper. You know, in some, you have to wear helmets of various kinds. In others, there's no protection.

So there's a different set of rules pertaining to each game, and you can't transpose them. And you freely accept the rules and the restraints of the game in order to take part in it and so in order to take part in the game called incarnation on planet earth you agree to a whole bunch of restraints you'll agree to the fact that you have amnesia for who you really are and why you came you agree to the restraint of having to operate with this tiny little laptop that we carry between our ears.

This three-pronged mass of wetware which is totally inadequate for grokking the entire gestalt. And so we have to make up this notion of time in order to process sequentially little chunks of the reality because we can't process all of it at the same time. So we agree to all of these

restrictions in order to depart in the game called Incarn at the same time. So we agree to all of these restrictions in order to take part in the game called Incarnational Planet Earth. But we freely chose those. So we have free will. The free will was choosing the game. But in the game, there were restraints. We've agreed upon. And a lot of people see those restraints

as evidence that we don't have free will. And I'm saying we do have free will. The soul has the free will to choose to be part of an incarnational experience that's going to move the cosmos itself into a kind of a Christ consciousness or into a Buddha nature. So it becomes

really, really important for us that we're not here by mistake. We didn't take a wrong turn that kind of and wind up in this galaxy by mistake. and so to embrace the situations which we find ourselves you know and to dig deep into the soul self

I differentiate between what I call the role self which the character called Sean with an Irish accent that I'm temporarily playing for the next 70 years or whatever and then I talk about the soul self, which is the eternal aspect of me that was never born and will never die,

but which is re-encountered many, many times. And then what I call the source self, that everything that exists is a holographic fractal of source. And so we have to kind of disidentify with lesser versions of the self in order to re-identify with greater versions of the self. And ultimately, the entire human trajectory is to give birth to God. And we're not finished incarnating and we're not finished evolving until the entire universe itself gives birth to God. I love that. And I just want to, I don't want to jump right in I just

want to let that soak in for a second. With that is it a game of awakening and reawakening and reawakening in various forms and different factions throughout the cosmos until all reaches a certain level of awareness in your opinion? I believe it is. And I think that there are different dimensions and different planetary systems, which are people by souls who are much more advanced than we. And they're dealing with their own version because the more evolved we become,

the greater our abilities and the greater the temptations to which we're subjected. So it's not just an easy ride that the more involved you become, the easier it is for you. That's not necessarily the case. So that's the case, for instance, of a Satan or Lucifer,

the light being, really, really advanced beings, but their temptations are much greater. And so the side-by-side with the increase in the abilities is the increase in the temptations. So we're constantly need to be on our toes, you know, to avoid the kind of,

the whole risk of thinking, how great a guy am I? And so I think that various planetary systems and various dimensions for fourth or fifth dimensional beings, you know,

are undergoing the same process. And it's an eternal process. It's not like we finally reach a conclusion and everybody can kind of whip their brows and i'm glad we made it heaven is not a kind of a place i would say to people in when i was preaching in swahili i would say to them heaven is not a place it's a state of consciousness. And states of consciousness are constantly evolving into higher and higher levels.

So the beauty of it is you never get to rest on your laurels and you're never going to get bored. Because I used to think, okay, you get to heaven, you meet St. Peter, he has a quick look and says, yeah, you've barely just squeezed in. I'm assigning you to a rule G, seat number 231. Here's your harp. Sit down and here's your music. And you're going to spend all

eternity now strumming a harp. That's going to get really, really fast. Really, really fast. And so it's a constantly evolving phenomenon growing deeper and deeper and deeper into the ultimate mystery of love. So it is never-ending.

Yeah, the never-ending piece has messed me up more than once on the deep dive journeys. I think eternity can also be like, wow, all right, cool. There it is. I'm never going to die. And then you're like, oh, fucking eternity. Uh-oh. cool. There it is. It's never going to die. You know? And then you're like, Oh, fucking eternity. Oh, one of the first thoughts I had, if it goes forever, then anything I do now is utterly meaningless, right? Like I can circle back that far. And then, you know, the counter to that is

that in the eternal now always matters. Now is the antidote to eternity, right? Like, and now I just asked, you know, the small self, Kyle Kingsbury, what do antidote to eternity, right? And now, I just asked the small self, Kyle Kingsbury, what do you want to do right now? That actually matters because that thread is my thread in the golden tapestry, right? And so everything I do matters because it sets up what infinity looks like going forward. It also pertains to my personal experience in this meat suit right now as how do I want to live? How do I want to show up? Who do I want to love? How do I want to love? And, and so, so it does, it does matter. There is a lot of meaning in the now, you know?

You're absolutely right, Kai. And the reality is that we're energy beings, you know, called Einstein's formula E equals MC squared. Everything is ultimately reducible to energy. So every thought I have is an energy. Every word I speak is an energy. Every action I perform has an energy. And I'm like either a pebble dropped into a pond or a boulder dropped into a pond.

There's going to be a ripple. And no matter how big the pond is and how irregular the perimeter is, at some stage, you know, the ripples are going to reach every single point of the perimeter. You know, even if they're not even discernible to the naked eye, but they're having an effect. And so it becomes really important. I'm not just having an effect on my future possibilities of whether I'm going to get to heaven or not, but actually I'm affecting every single entity in the cosmos from angelic beings to kind of fireflies and oak trees and bunny rabbits. Everything is being impacted, you know, however subtly by every thought I have and every word I speak.

So it becomes really important to me that I do this with a Christ consciousness, a realization that it is having an effect, and that the effect I want it to have is an effect of radiating love and life and liberty and laughter into the world. Absolutely. I love that. Yeah. Snap, snap, snap.

One of the things I absolutely love that I don't know, this is backtracking or mid-tracking or wherever, but I did think it was like, I think for me personally, you know, my parents were great in that for many reasons, they were shit in other reasons, but they were great in many reasons, religiously, in other reasons, but they were great in many reasons religiously because even though my mom brought me to church and I was in Sunday school for a little while, once I was fed up with it around seven or eight years old, she didn't make me go. She was like, okay, you're fine. If it's not for you, it's fine. You'll find it later kind of deal. And my parents had spent, you know, 10 years doing transcendental meditation and looking

into Eastern mysticism. And so, you know, I had books from Wayne Dyer and Eckhart Tolle and different things like that on my mom's shelf that I could just grab and thumb through in my twenties. So it spoke to me in different ways, but so many things, you know, including like, you know, witnessing two guys kiss each other. And I was just like, oh, that, all right. Yeah. So they, those guys love each other. Cool. You know, like they're like, there was just like, it's an afterthought as a six or seven year old um and then so many things that were like oh they're those guys would burn in hell for eternity because they're like there's so many so many little pieces like that that i was brought up and i was like how does that make sense even as a kid where before any plant medicine journey where i'd really grappled with with

any understanding of what eternity actually means to think of that like they're gone forever in a shit spot for any reason, like they're, but they're your creation, right? So like that's one of a handful of really things that just don't add up, you know? And so I think about that and I love that you had the trial with Yahweh because it was so brilliant how you were able to go through piece by piece, line by line, through the Torah and into the New Testament and put God on trial. It was fucking fantastic. Really. I mean, the truth is that the God that appears in most parts of the Kindle, particularly Torah, Genesis, Exodus, the biggest numbers of Deuteronomy,

is a cosmic psychopath. He's the greatest serial killer of all time and the greatest mass murderer of all time, if we take his own word, you know, as the kind of the evidence. And so it's obvious to me that this was a human fabrication. You know, if this is who God really is, don't sign me up for heaven. I want to spend all my life in heaven

playing a harp and praising this asshole. And so, obviously, this is not who God is. And so I needed to put him on trial to bring out the prosecution and the defense and find out that this is actually a caricature, a kind of a projection of the human shadow and that we've created a God in our image and likeness rather than acting in the image and likeness of the real divinity

who underlines all of reality. So it was an interesting exercise for me just to kind of purge my own demons and to offer that as a kind of a template for anybody else who wants to do a serious study of who God might be for them. Yeah, I loved it. I also loved that, you know, I've geeked out on Graham Hancock and a lot of different guys who kind of, you know, bridge, you know, what was our history? What is the amnesia that humanity suffers? And, you know, I think it's the book of Enoch, you know, in some ancient Sumerian texts where like Yahweh is one of other gods. And as he actually says that you'll worship

me and no other gods, like there's actually a pointing to perhaps this dude was, was in form as an extraterrestrial and, and you know, mankind as a, as you know, an uncultured, never seen the starship before just says, this is God, you know, like, like little G God. But that, that, yeah, the fact that you brought that up i was like oh shit there we go like you're not leaving any stone unturned here and that still that still makes more sense than an all-knowing omniscient all-loving god would do all the shit that god does you know in the in the old testament that jesus is like no like like we have to it makes it does make more sense as far out as that sounds that this would be an off-planet deity that actually came here and and had a lot of our same flaws and shadows to work through you know like

jealousy and things of that nature so i'd love that you brought that up in there as well so it's interesting actually in the original version of the book that i wrote i had two extra chapters one of them having to do with extraterrestrials and the possibility that we're talking literally about just one among many extraterrestrial races to visit the Earth that made commonness with particular peoples. But my publisher decided that it should go into an appendix

because the book was too long already. So I put it in an appendix and then he decided the book was still too long. I needed to drop them. So I had two whole chapters on that that didn't appear in the final version. Oh, man. Well, you know what?

That leaves the door open for another book because it's funny. I think, you know, there's certain things you can see, you know, and then we get little tidbits. So like on, you know, the carrot in front of the horse's mouth, look this way, look this way, that society's been led through. And, you know, we carrot in front of the horse's mouth, look this way, look this way, that society has been led through. And, you know, we had terrorism, right? And then, you know, it's funny because we just had 9-11, you know, come back up.

And there's still people that just believe the media story on that. And they don't like, they're like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist if you talk about Tower 7 or the Pentagon. Like there's videos of a CNN reporter saying, there's no evidence of an airplane here in front of the Pentagon.

It was on CNN. All that shit got erased. But thanks to the internet, that shit still survives, right? You can actually see somebody from CNN at the Pentagon saying there's absolutely nothing here from an aircraft. The explosion must've come from something else. And of course, Tower 7's its own deal.

But thinking about things like that, a lot of people are still like, yeah, you know, bin Laden, some bad guys, it was terrorists. And then, you know, we had, that's what caused us going into Afghanistan and Iraq. And you're like, really? And the Patriot Act and all these other things. But to me, it's hindsight's 2020. It's very easy to kind of see why, as it's happening, it's like, why is this happening? But in the background, you're like, oh, that's why they did that. Emergency powers, right? And then we see emergency powers get enacted in 2020. And we see the demolishment of the middle class, of small business owners. We see all the new, you know, tyrannical implementations of what's happening in our school system and things like

that. And fast forward, like some people now still have amnesia, like everything's back to normal, the way I wanted it to be, and nothing's going to happen again. And, you know, what's funny is guys, I think is O'Keefe, I forget his name, but he's been great on Twitter. He's been showing, you know, the underground videos where they'll sneak in a camera with the CNN reporters, right? And so they're talking about how like, all we were talking was COVID and the whole next thing is going to be climate change. For the next several years, all we're going to do is warn people about climate change. That'll be the thing, right? And one thing that I've heard from a few different people is that beyond the climate change scenario, and of course, this is trying to create a one world government

or a totalitarian control system. Beyond that, it will be the alien threat, right? This is why we see Space Force. This is why, you know, Steve, Dr. Stephen Greer has talked about that. It's to plant little seeds so that we fear extraterrestrials. Whereas if, you know, not to say that all extraterrestrials are awesome, but they could have taken us over in a heartbeat.

If they wanted to enslave humanity, they've been done already, right? But they're planting that seed to instill fear. And another thing that's come along technologically is, is holograms. You can set up through drone technology, something that will make a spaceship appear in the sky. And from any angle you look at it, you'll look up and you say, that's a fucking UFO. It's right above my head. And everyone in the city will say the same thing. And then it can vanish and it can move. It can do all these things, right? So thinking about that, I am curious at what point,

because we've seen these, just these little droppings, like the Pentagon acknowledges certain things, you know, from the CIA become unclassified and like, all right, yeah, in 1950s, we found bodies. We have alien spacecraft. We have different things. We're going to verify that. Everything you guys suspected is true.

No one talks about that. No one reports it. It goes on some obscure website and you're like, well, this is a government letterhead. Like this is the legit thing. You look into like different people that have worked, like Pippa was on Aubrey Marcus's podcast and she had worked in the Bush administration. She's like, it's a hundred percent legit. It's on US government letterhead. They're acknowledging, you know, everything that's gone on since the 50s and it's kind of gone low key. And I really look at that and I wonder, is this, like, is the only reason they're telling us about this stuff

just so they can try to use that as another threat, as another scare to get us all to hide and bow down to whatever, you know, problem solution, problem reaction solution that they put in place for us? I think that's always been part of the agenda of the tyrant is to inculcate fear in the populace. And it's always like either a real crisis

or a manufactured crisis that has the population crying out for salvation and protection and then the tyrant coming in. And it's pre-planned because the crisis itself has been manufactured to create the reaction in the populace who will then agree to the temporary suspension of civil liberties in order to get protection. But it's never, you know, temporary suspension of civil liberties.

They always continue. So it's always part of the plan. And so I differentiate between, there's a hugely important distinction for me between fact and truth. Something can be factual, but not true. And something can be true, but not factual. So my definition of truth is that something is true if it transforms me and aligns me with God. And something is ultimate truth if it transforms me and aligns me with God, and something is ultimate truth if it transforms me radically and aligns me permanently with God, whereas fact is just again a data point in the physical world. So they can point to factual stuff, but it is not truthful in the sense that

it is not transformative. It's an agenda. They're just little breadcrumbs scattered around the ground to lead you where they want you to go. You can say yes, there are actual factual pieces, but the intention behind them is to lead you into a trap and then spring around you when you arrive there. And so I keep asking myself the question, what is transformative? And if it is not transformative, it is not true, even if it is factual. And my favorite example, I don't know if you remember from your Bible school days, there's a great story that Jesus tells in, I think it's in Luke's Gospel in chapter 15 of the Good Samaritan, and it's a story where he's being quizzed by a theological expert about what's the greatest

commandment, about the 613 precepts in the law. And he said, the greatest one is, you love the Lord your God with your whole heart and your whole soul and your whole mind. And the guy says, well, what's the second one? And Christ says, the second one is, love your neighbor as yourself. And the guy says, yeah, but who's my neighbor?

And then Christ, being a great storyteller, says, okay, here's a story. There was a certain man going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he got mobbed. He got clubbed by a crowd of robbers, and they left him for dead on the side of the road, stripped him naked and took everything he had and left him there. And some hours later, a priest from the temple was going down

and saw a fellow Jew lying at the side of the road, and he ignored him because for a priest to touch a dead body meant the priest was unclean and he couldn't go to the temple so he ignored him and passed by. Some hours later, a Levite who had taken to the temple police under the same kind of restrictions

sees a fellow Jew and he passes by. And then some hours later a Samaritan who were deadly enemies of the Israelites at the time sees this Jew die on the side of the road. He picks him up, attends to him, puts him on his donkey, takes him down to Jericho, takes him to a hotel, you know, gets him food. And he says to the innkeeper, I have to go off for a few days on business. You know, I'll come back. I'll pick up the tab for this guy.

Look after him. And Christ says to the theologian, which of those was neighbor to the man who fell down the robbers? And of course the guy is obviously the Samaritan. Now, if you were a kind of reporter for the Jerusalem Post and you said there's something fishy about this

story, I don't believe this is true. And you go to the temple and you knock at the door and the high priest comes out and you say, here's the scoop. Did this really ever happen? And the guy goes in, anybody here been in Jericho in the last two months? No, no, no, no, no. And you go to the Levites.

Anybody been here, here been in Jericho for the last two months? No, no, no, no. And you go to Jericho. There's only six hotels in Jericho. You go from hotel to hotel to hotel. And you go to Jericho, there's only six hotels in Jericho. You go from hotel to hotel to hotel. And you say, did this story ever happen? No, bloody way. I don't recognize

a Samaritan coming in with a Jew and paying the tab. That's a lot of cuddly wobbles. That never happened. And maybe it didn't. So was it factual? Possibly not. Was it true?

Absolutely true. Because the people who understood that story are radically transformed. They realize your neighbor is everybody, especially those who are in distress of any kind. And so when I look at the trails, the breadcrumbs, I'm asking myself constantly, is this about transformation or is this literally about seduction leading us into some kind of a bear trap? Even if it's factual, is it transformative or not transformative?

I love that. I think that speaks to my final question for you. You can elaborate on it if you'd like. But the final question is just, you know, seeing how history doesn't necessarily repeat itself, but it does rhyme and that, you know, we can look through many cycles of human history as far back as we actually track, which is a lot less than humans have been here. But, you know, understanding the mechanics of how civilizations have come and gone and that there has always been this power element over others, you know, and understanding, you know, the three-pronged approach

of what you see from your visitor, you know, at the creek there, you know, the three-pronged approach that also knowing, you know, the stakes are as high as they could fucking get. You know, I can't imagine another game, you know, I can't imagine being at a pivot point, but we're really coming to a pivot point. And to me, I always scoffed at eternal damnation. I was like, there's

no way God would ever cast aside something from itself and all is over, nothing is anyway. So what does he put you in like the toe of God? Like you're still in God, no matter where you go. But one thing that I recognized, you know, on a deep medicine journey was that if I chose to exit my body, if I chose to go into a simulation, if I chose, even if it's, I don't even think it's possible, but if I uploaded my consciousness or I went, you know, more cyborg than human, that that could disconnect me from my inherent gift of being connected to God at all times. And that would be some form of separation, however small. And that could be a route where that actually does take place.

And to me, I know I'm not gonna make that choice, but it scares the shit out of me for other people. What do you see as one of the most important things for us to know, to do, to understand with what we're coming up against here going forward? You know, with where we're at at this point in the crossroads with with what we know that's coming um what are you tracking as as best moves for people you know and like i said that story might have been it right there but um so for me for me kind of most important the most important virtue of all is

not even love it is waking up and I keep saying to my own people, you know, there is only one sin. You know, it is not stealing. You know, it's not beating somebody up. You know, that's second order and third order, tertiary results. The only sin is the refusal to awaken to your inner divinity.

The only sin. And so whatever holds us kind of asleep, you know, that's the sin. And this has been orchestrated often by the people in charge. You know, the Romans had a phrase for it. It was called pannes et circenses, bread and circuses. In other words, if you give people enough food, you know, and entertain them with like, you know, kind of a I love Lucy or whatever, you know, keep them glued to their television sets, you could do whatever you want with the kind of the body politic and people won't even notice. And so the greatest sin of all is to stay asleep.

The only sin is to stay asleep. And so the most important virtue of all is to come awake. You cannot love unless you're awake. If you think you're loving but you're awake, it's just merely mockish sentimentality. It is not real love. And so the primary kind of objective of all human beings is to wake up to the reality.

And the reality is that there is only God. I sometimes say to my own people that, you know, life is a dream that the ego is having, and the ego is a dream that the soul is having, and the soul is a dream that spirit is having, and spirit is a dream that God is having. So we're actually, we're nested dreams. Everything that exists is simply God in drag. So we got to look out for the guide under the kid in the drag. I love that. Sean, it's been so awesome having you on the podcast. I most certainly will have you back on here as more unfolds within the world. I love your take on everything.

I will link in the show notes, setting God free and any other works that you've done. This is absolutely incredible and a life-changing book. I really feel, you know, I have, I was talking to my wife earlier, just since she gets to see, she's like, why are you so excited? I was like, well, because I get to interview Sean. Like, this is going to be the best. This is so good.

I was trying to, you know, I've been trying to say your last name with an Irish accent too, which is funny because it's spelled O-L-A-O-I-R-E. How do you say it? Olera. Olera. Very good. Excellent. Yeah. it? Olera. Olera? Very good.

Excellent. Yeah. Okay. All right. Fuck yeah. It's Gaelic. My mother tongue is Gaelic. So in English, it would be O'Leary.

You may have seen it written as O'Leary. O-L-E-A-R minus Gaelic, the English version. Yeah. Cool. Well, it's been an absolute pleasure. I love you deeply, and I thank you for all your work, and I'm excited that in trying times, we have people like you leading the way.

I am so happy that there are people like yourself and Paul Cech out there who have the qualities to do what you're doing, to waking up the world. A million thanks to you, Kyle. Thank you, brother. Love you, my brother. you