Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #322 I’m Not Trying To Get You Banned From YouTube w/ Calley Means

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

I mention it in the episode, but it bears repeating. Calley is a warrior for the truth and it was an honor to have him on and learn a ton. We get into his background as a Stanford grad, political player in DC, and his multiple startups in the health and wellness world. He drops bomb after bomb and has a beautiful rant in the middle on the medical industry and how it's not lost it's way, but designed to be broken to anyone actually trying to be healthy. He's currently writing a book with his sister in the wake of losing their mother to the medical industry in '21. Please be sure to share this one with the homies.   ORGANIFI GIVEAWAY Keep those reviews coming in! Please drop a dope review and include your IG/Twitter handle and we’ll get together for some Organifi even faster moving forward.   Connect with Calley: Website: CalleyMeans.com - TrueMed.com  Instagram: @calleymeans  Twitter: @calleymeans   Sponsors: PaleoValley Some of the best and highest quality goodies I personally get into are available at paleovalley.com, punch in code “KYLE” at checkout and get 15% off everything! Neurohacker Collective Run these guys’ Qualia Senolytic, a two day per month cleans to flush out all your “zombie” cells. Head to neurohacker.com/kkp for 50% OFF and use “KKP” at checkout for an additional 15% off your first order!  Hostage Tape Nasal breathing is some of the lowest hanging fruit for your health. Head to hostagetape.com/KKP for your third month worth of tape free!   Bioptimizers To get the ’Sleep Breakthrough‘ deal exclusively for fans of the podcast, click the link below and use code word “KINGSBU10” for an additional 10% off. sleepbreakthrough.com/kingsbu  To Work With Kyle Kingsbury Podcast   Connect with Kyle: Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App  Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys - @gardenersofeden.earth  Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site  Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

Welcome back to the show, everybody. Today, we have a phenomenal guest, Callie Means. Callie was educated at Stanford and then went on to Harvard Business School. From there, like many of his classmates looking to change the world, ended up working for Coca-Cola and some of the things that would not change the world, but led to more of the same. He uncovered quite a bit of really gnarly truth with regard to our food system and healthcare and the interlinking between the two.

Since then, he has been on the forefront after losing his mother, joining up with his sister, who was head of her class at Stanford Medicine, to form a company called Levels, which is a phenomenal CGM and really one of the most excellent, easy ways to track your glucose monitoring and making sure that you are metabolically efficient and metabolically healthy, which as Callie mentions, are contributors, if not the sole reason for eight of the 10 in the big 10 diseases we have in America. Just a phenomenal, phenomenal guest. He understands the ins and outs of the interplay between our food and our health and can really drop a lot of knowledge and does so. I had a

blast with him. First heard him on Russell Brand's podcast or I think video show, vlog. I don't know what it is. I think it was on video and excellent, and, and excellent there. So I wanted to get them on, uh, thanks to Claire bear for setting this one up. I want Kelly to, to reach far and wide. I'm going to introduce him to Paul check and got to chance. Didn't get a chance to introduce him to Aubrey, but, um, we were hanging out at, uh, at the Bobby Kennedy and Aubrey podcast event on Saturday, which was phenomenal. And, uh, got a chance to introduce him to Christian pity, another homie who works on Aubrey's podcast. So I want this guy's message to be shared far and wide, and I want to get him on

the biggest podcasts I can. It's that important. I had a blast learning from him and uncovering a lot of the details. A lot of people, I'll read books and things like that, but I can't string it all together in the way that he can. And he does such an excellent job of that, the importance of it and how really it's a fallacy to think that it takes a long time to regain control over our metabolic function. That's not the truth. If you've gained a hundred pounds, it probably took you a long time to gain a hundred pounds. And if you're going to lose it healthily, it might take you a long time to lose the a hundred pounds, but it should not take you a long time to get metabolically fit in which that weight starts coming off naturally.

And this is what's been found through other CGM companies like NutriSense and different things of that nature. He's got a book he's writing with his sister, Dr. Casey Means that'll be out next year. And I will for sure have him back on along with his sister. They're doing some of the most important work on the planet in my humble opinion

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And this is the first time she said, I have a guest for you. And I know she's a close friend. She knows me inside and out. So I was like, interesting. Can you send me something from him? And I think I saw a close friend. She knows me inside and out. So I was like, interesting. Can you send me something from him? And I think I saw a video with Russell Brand. And I was, everything you were saying, I was like, this is exactly what I want to have.

This is perfect. It's tailor-made for the podcast. So I'm very excited to have you here today. I'm pumped to dig in. Cool, brother. Well, talk about your background. You know, the general flow of the podcast is I want to know what made you you.

And you're a father, you went to Stanford, there's one difference, but I love talking to the smart kids that went to Stanford. I feel like Goodwill Hunting sometimes talking to the college dropout, talking to, you know, the really people that had the excellence in academia, but also still, you know, started to see the cracks in the system and not take things, you know, as most of the general population does. I can give the quick life story. I think a formative part of this is born and raised in Washington, D.C. And from the time I was a little kid, my dad moved there to be an economic advisor for Ford and Nixon. And then I was born and my

dream was to, very idealistic, Mr. Smith goes to Washington. I was going to study at good schools, learn economics, help be a policy advisor and help move forward policy. I went to Stanford and then immediately got into the politics and policy and very idealistic coming out. But after some campaigns, I realized inevitably I was sitting across the aisle from people I fought against in the campaigns, and basically everyone, when the campaigns are over, is making money by consulting and lobbying, as maybe not surprising. But what's surprising is how pronounced pharmaceutical and food, the two largest vendors in Washington, D.C. So I quickly learned pharma spends five times more on lobbying public affairs work than the oil industry. And absolute stranglehold on anyone working in government initially eventually gets to pharma and also food companies.

So we can dig in more to that. But then, you know, was disenfranchised with that, didn't like what I saw, went to Harvard Business School. And what I saw there, honestly, and I'm very lucky to go to these institutions, but I do think some of our elite institutions are really conveyor belts of conformity. I mean, many of my friends and everyone writes their applications about changing healthcare, changing the food system. And then 85% of Harvard Business School graduates are eventually going to traditional industries, going to food companies, going to Pepsi, going to work for pharmaceutical companies, going to work to a friend who wrote an essay about changing the healthcare system and their dream goes and works for McKinsey,

who just settled a billion dollar lawsuit for helping Purdue Pharma overprescribe opioids. So the actual conveyor belt of where we're sending, quote, our best and brightest is very clear. It's going to these systems that we all agree are broken. And then kind of moving on, you know, starting companies in e-commerce, had a huge formative experience. My sister, her name is Dr. Casey Means, and she started Levels Health. And that was after 13 years of training. She was top of her class, Stanford Med School, much smarter than me, head and neck surgeon, got through residency. And she had this out-of-body experience where she was cutting into some of your third surgery

of the day, sinusitis, inflammation of the sinuses. And she had this out-of-body experience, 13 years into medical training. She did not know why that patient had inflammation, why they were sick. And she realized that they were under her knife just six months before and that the majority of her patients actually were coming back because the inflammation was coming back. And at the, you know, president of her undergrad class, top of Stanford med school, surgical residency, top performing, she didn't know why that person was sick. She only knew how to cut out their inflammation. And she realized almost everything she did surgery on was rooted in inflammation.

She realized that at Stanford, she did not take a single nutrition class. And the doctors fundamentally do not learn why people get sick. It's a conveyor belt. You peel it back, largely funded medical schools are significantly funded by pharmaceutical and the industry that makes money when people are sick. And all she learned was how to cut something out, a little band-aid after people get sick. So she quit, started a metabolic health company, Levels, to help people measure their glucose. And that was bringing my awakening on. We had a personal experience. I think these are common experiences, but we had the death of a loved one.

My mom, our best friend, really was the typical American patient. She was on six medications, which is actually average for somebody at her age at 70. But she was on the statin, which, you know, 40% of men over 40 are on she was on metformin, which, which a huge majority that huge majority actually people her age are on, you know, people in their 70s, the majority of them are are pre diabetic or diabetic. She was on blood pressure medication their 70s, the majority of them are pre-diabetic or diabetic. She was on blood pressure medication. She was on a host of things that are like rites of passages for Americans and actually told by her doctor that she was healthy for someone her age. All of those siloed conditions were actually warning signs of metabolic dysfunction,

which showed as she was taking a hike, had a pain in her stomach, and went in to get a scan, had stage four pancreatic cancer, died 12 days later. And that was in early 2021. So these elements with my sister, with my mom, with having a new son coming into the world and looking at what's happening to kids where a third of teenagers are now pre-diabetic, 50% are overweight or obese, The slaughterhouse kids are going into. It made me review my earlier time working for Food and Pharma. And I really do think, you know, you've got, I think, an audience and many people that have inspired me to come on your podcast that have taken great personal accountability and

really woken up and changed their lives with, you know with root cause habits. I'm here to really say, and hopefully push the conversation on, there's absolutely, it's necessary. Everyone needs to wake up. And I think the path of personal empowerment is absolutely existential and crucial. But we also need to understand that we have the largest industries in this country

fundamentally incentivized for us to be sicker, fatter, more depressed, more infertile. And we should be really open eyes on that, which now I'm unpacking and trying to talk about what I saw working for Food and Pharma to hopefully just put in people's heads the message that they can think for themselves. We should not trust, frankly, our doctor when it comes to chronic conditions or these industries. We need a radical amount of empowerment in questioning of the system because the system does not deserve trust. 100%. Yeah. We'll talk about, I mean, I'm not sure which direction I want to take it first. If I want to go back in time to kind of look at the beginnings of medicine, or if we want to take it first. If I want to go back in time to kind of look at the beginnings of medicine,

or if we want to circle back to that and start with, or just continue on your path with your time with food and pharma, as you started to uncover more of this from the Coca-Cola guys coming out, the whistleblowers, stuff like that. So, I mean, there's a million places I want to take it, but I'll let you steer the ship here. Yeah, yeah. So kind of seeing this awakening, right? And it's very simple, what kind of the awakening of metabolic health that my sister had. It's a simple premise that the vast majority of what's torturing and shortening American life is tied to simple metabolic habits. It's tied to our toxic food supply where we have thousands of neurotoxins in our literally additives in our food that are illegal in every other country. You know, I'm a libertarian, but I don't think that's a free market. That's a rigged market that we have

just free reign to add neurotoxins in our food that's destroying our microbiome. That literally you sneak seed oils, sugar, you know, these other, these other highly processed ingredients into, into food that kids eat. Um, I don't know if that's a free market. I think that's kind of rigged. The fact that glyphosate is in 99% of breast milk, all of these things, all these things that are just very unique in America. Um, you know, again, I used to defend when I worked for food that that was like, we need to let these folks operate in the free. No, no, they're rigging the market. That's what I kind of put together. And yeah, I've talked about the story of working for Coke. And this is just a very instructive example. But, you know, sitting behind the doors

of these consulting firms of these PR firms, with relatively unimpressive people working at these companies, they understand how to rig the debate, right? It's not complicated, right? If we're sitting and pulling the strings and they're trying to shut down our opponent, you call them racist, you call them sexist, you call them fat phobic, you call them these words that nobody wants to be called and it shuts down debate. So this was certainly true 12 years ago working for Coke. They actually wanted to keep funding for food stamps. So you wouldn't believe this, but food stamps, which SNAP, which is 15% of the American people, depend on for nutrition. This is a very important program, you know, $140 billion.

You know, again, highly dependent on by a material amount of the country for SNAP, supplemental nutrition. 10% of all funding from SNAP goes to sugary drinks. It's the number one item is soda. And 70% of that entire program goes to highly processed food. And Coke, when I was working for them, wanted to keep it that way. There was a bipartisan effort to say a simple thing, which is soda shouldn't be on the supplemental nutrition program. And we paid the NAACP, the Hispanic Federation, these leading civil rights groups to call opponents racist. So you can definitely see that today. And you can always see these parallels today, the Washington Post just days ago came out with a report that the soda companies and other processed

food companies are funneling millions of dollars to nutritionists on TikTok. So it's gone from, you know, the media and paying off the NAACP to folks on TikTok who have received explicit instructions actually to racialize this idea of body inclusivity, to actually attack people for saying that sugar is bad, to attack people actually literally tying it to race, tying it to fat phobia, tying it to sexism. So you literally, you know, kind of back then you had Coke, um, painting the blaze CP. We also directly had a strategy, uh, to pay off, uh, media institutions, um, Coke, uh, food and pharma far, are the top spenders on news ads. And I can tell you

the behind closed scenes, when you're funneling so much dollars to prop up these news organizations, that money is expected of something. You're expected for the news to not be asking questions about why people are getting sick, about whether pharmaceutical drugs that are treating on making money off all these people getting sick. So there was that. And also, just looking backwards, what was most shocking to me probably is just a direct transactional relationship with research institutions and medical institutions. The food industry puts 11 times more into nutrition research than the NIH. And calling up doctors at Harvard, Stanford, Tufts, you know, leading institutions was as transactional as, you know, ordering a Big Mac at McDonald's. You called them, you donated millions of dollars. It was a wink wink situation.

And you got studies questioning whether sugar costs obesity, which have come out of leading institutions like Harvard, and are then used to create public policy so um that it just there's a lot of instructive examples of this happening today but it was maybe obvious but but definitely shocking how clear this puppeteering of institutions of trust is and how i think still blind we are to how, how obviously and manifestly this is happening today. Yeah, it's, it's massive. I think it's, it's even funny. I mean, I was just chatting with Paul Saladino's crew.

I'm sure you're familiar with him. I went on, I went on their podcast and we were laughing about how, you know, if you, if you say seed oils are bad, now you're a white supremacist or a white ring conspiracy. It's like, how does anything nutrition related conflate to white supremacy? Like, it's fucking mind blowing. But it's almost become like, oh, if I disagree with standard thinking, then I'm going to be a white supremacist or I'm going to be a racist. I'm going to be something fill in the blank, you know, that nobody wants to be called. Nobody wants to be labeled. Yeah. When I was like, if you drink raw milk, if you're, if you don't like seed oils, you know, anything that's,

anything that's actually healthy for you, that's going to get, you're going to get caught in the bad camp. Yeah. And when I, when I'm trying to kind of, what I'm trying to advance is that we see this stuff happening. I think a lot of people listening kind of understand that there's some forces that, that, that this BS, how anyone questioning the system is delegitimized. And what I'm saying is it really is, it's coordinated. It's premeditated. Like there's emails now between, you know, Dr. Fauci and the head of the NIH about Joe Rogan, right? From PR firms that represented Pfizer, from consultants that represented Pfizer. You know, these people are highly connected,

but you just look at pharmaceutical companies, right? Look at how their financial ties. They are 55% of news funding. So 55% of news funding. They're one of the top funders of social media and tech company ads. And they are the lifeblood of the actual regulatory institutions of the US government. So pharma, people don't know this often, pays 75% of the FDA's budget. So the FDA, it's actually,

as it's a bureaucracy, it's designed to grow, and it only grows by better relationship with pharma. And then of course, it's a just total revolving door, where everyone who's regulating pharma at the FDA has either worked at pharma previously, or as we saw with Scott Gottlieb goes on the board of Pfizer right after. So, so the ties, so you just have to be logical here, right? If they're paying the bills for the media organizations, if they're paying the bills for the regulatory organizations, if they're literally paying the bills for Google and Twitter back at the time and Facebook, all you don't even have to say it, right? There's a huge emphasis to delegitimize folks. And the playbook to delegitimize folks is clear, right? You look what they tried to do to Joe Rogan. They took a couple of clips out of context and tried to call him a white supremacist.

And you actually literally had Dr. Fauci and the head of the NIH in emails in 2020 and 2021 saying he was enemy number one, a podcast host saying that COVID might be related to metabolic health and what we eat, viciously attacked. Not to get too much on a hot topic here and every charge should be taken seriously, but it is known by these institutions that if you can make an anonymous charge, if you can get that in print, it can destroy someone's reputation because everyone else on the ally everyone else in the ecosystem can take that um can take that and just slam you the second you have an anonymous charge in any type of publication um you can take that to the uk parliament who's now posting uh literally threatening rumble and other independent

companies in the u.s to demonetize russell brandt um based on one anonymous thing from a publication that gets their majority of funding from pharma who that person's attacking again everything should be taken seriously but we have to understand how this game works and i i think we have to be adults um and stop falling like how many times are we going to fall for this? The last thing I'd say is there's this delegitimization of speech, particularly when it comes to health. We're actually on the defensive for asking why an industrial byproduct, seed oils, which were created by John D. Rockefeller as oil lubricant and discovered that it's potentially we can put in our food because it's 20 times cheaper. We literally on the defensive and asking for research studies

saying why that is potentially as healthy as butter or tallow or olive oil, which has been used for tens of thousands of years. That's how warped this conversation has gotten people who are literally saying to exercise to have your kids outside to have them looking at the sunlight to not be feeding them highly processed crap they're now labeled routinely in a coordinated effort as as right-wing white supremacists yeah you go go for a run right if you're you're, you're a runner, you're, you care about your body. You care about health in that way. It's, it's, it's, it's mind blowing, but I'm happy you brought up Rockefeller. We were joking around in the beginning. I think it's one of these names, you know, like Rothschilds or so, you know, like, like you hear a rant, um, from, uh, Alex Jones or

somebody like that, you know, it sounds like a pro wrestler. He's ranting. He brings in several names. Then he talks about devil worshiping pedophiles. And you're like, all right, I don't know what makes sense here. But, but as you track, if you follow the money, if you follow history, I've seen documentaries on John D. Rockefeller. I've read portions of books that were dedicated to him and the history of him. As you go through that, it actually tracks and not just from oil, but when the standard was broken up, you know, a lot of people will know that became Chevron, that became a few different ones. And those are all the major players, Exxon Mobil, that kind of thing. What they don't know is that he then ventured into many different

places akin to what BlackRock's done or Vanguard, where he's not the complete owner of these different industries, but he's got maybe 20, 25% of a lot of different things that we all, you know, just, just take it just it's, you know, big, this big, that big agriculture, big pharma. He's, he's, he's deeply embedded in that. And so I'd love to follow that thread because, um, you know, it is the name you hear the Rockefellers. You're like, ah, I can just wipe that off as conspiracy. He's talking about the rocket. But if you look at this, it's like, no, no, no, no. This is, there's a, there's a long history here of how this has actually shaped what modern medicine looks like. 100%.

And now today, Bill Gates, as you said, it's just like these names, you bring these names up, it sounds conspiratorial. And I think there's kind of this media. The media is now the protector of the status quo and corporate interests. And they'll slam you as being conspiratorial for bringing up Rockefeller or Bill Gates today. I would just ask this high level, let's get into Rockefeller. It's like, are things going well right now? Like I look around and I'm seeing, and you'll gut check me if I'm wrong, I'm seeing really worrying signs. 80% of American adults obese or overweight.

22% of kids having fatty liver disease. As I said, a third of, I just can't get my head around that. A third of teenagers have prediabetes and 40% of high school seniors have a mental health disorder. So like there's something not working with, I think, healthcare system, and then food, which inevitably leads to the health. So I think you've got to trace the incentive structure. I mean, these, these are really large industries. And I think a lot of it does trace to John D. Rockefeller. So let's just give a little history here. The wealth of John Rockefeller is hard to comprehend. So if you do actual, like, you tie it to today's dollar, he was basically a trillionaire.

By far the richest person who's ever lived. And yes, he had far outside of oil. So he actually invented the U.S. pharmaceutical industry. So a lot of the byproducts of oil, and in the 1900, right, medicine was really quackery, to be quite honest, right? Bayer actually invented cocaine. So cocaine, excuse me, and heroin, they sold both of them. Heroin was a word patented by Bayer, heroic. And you wouldn't believe this, but it was one of the top five in 1900, one of the top five selling drugs in the country for what condition? For infants acting up.

Heroin was given. Heroin was given. No, it worked. It actually worked. I bet it did. I bet it worked like nothing else. So every baby in the country in 1900 was given a little drop of heroin patented by Bayer. And they ended up kind of like being a little less – so it actually worked. But – and then cocaine for many different uses was also one of the top ten drugs in the country. So we've really come – so it was a little bit of the Wild West. And in the early 1900s, John D. Rockefeller realized you could kind of put a professional label on this and he could use some of his byproducts to sell more serious medications.

So he actually funded the initial med school. So John D. Rockefeller was the major funders to Johns Hopkins, which basically created the modern American medical system. I talked about my sister who went through residency. So residency was created by John D. Halstead, which was a Rockefeller protege at Johns Hopkins. So Dr. Halstead created this idea where it's like you're working for 40 hours straight, and you're not asking questions. You're heroic. He invented this thing called the radical mastectomy for breast cancer, taking out the whole breast. It was cut, cut, cut. It was surgery is serious medicine. It's don't ask questions. And that patient, they come here, you don't talk to them, they're passed out before you, and you're heroic, you're cutting that

serious medicine. It turned out his practices, the radical mastectomy, and a lot of the things he pioneered were totally wrong. But his macho, like serious medicine is surgery that has stayed on and his residency, where you basically brainwash and I think it's literally brainwashing, budding doctors, complete purposeful sleep deprivation, working 40 hours. It turned out that Dr. Halstead was taking the morphine and the cocaine that they were giving patients, had a terrible lifelong drug addiction. And after doing these like four day spurts of constant surgical interventions, which are still kind of the norm today in residency, he would have manic breakdowns and have to take six months off and was literally losing his mind and going crazy.

But that type of mantra actually embedded itself. And it was very purposeful. This idea that nutrition and anything holistic and talking about exercise, think about that. When my sister at Stanford Med School actually brought up a nutritional information, she was told by an attending surgeon, don't be a pussy. That's what they told her. They said, you did not go to dietary nutrition school. You're here to be a surgeon. You're here to do serious medicine. That mindset, which is profitable because the interventions are what make money. The interventions are what need pharmaceuticals. That was embedded. And it's just to kind of close the story. It was embedded into law. So once John Rockefeller funded these initial med schools and created this

kind of evidence-based medical kind of framework, he installed into law, his lawyer, whose last name was Flexner, actually drafted the Flexner Report, which was passed by Congress in 1909. And it essentially set what modern American medicine is. So modern medicine, the structure of how medicine America is legally set up, is actually still under that 1909 law that Rockefeller wrote. And what it essentially did is it siloed diseases. And I would argue this has been the greatest mistake in medical history. So when we think about medicine today, 90% of costs, 90% of deaths are tied to chronic conditions. And the flexion report said we need to name the disease and we need to treat it. But that's a misnomer with chronic conditions.

If you have, like my mom, diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, potentially depression, infertility, other issues, that will be five different doctors, five different pills under the current system because that's profitable. We're able to name the disease, treat it with a pill, treat it with a potential intervention. It's a lifelong patient. The pills are recurring revenue.

All those things I just mentioned are the same thing. If you actually do root cause metabolic interventions, eat better, think about your microbiome, exercise, sleep better, you can reverse every single condition I just stated. PCOS, which is skyrocketing, is the number one cause of infertility for women, is insulin resistance. It's not related to diabetes. It is diabetes, literally infertility. Now, Alzheimer's is called type 3 diabetes. They're about to win a Pulitzer Prize. Excuse me. The doctor is about to win potentially a Nobel Prize for that. It's a huge breakthrough of actually discovering what the root cause of Alzheimer's is. These are all related. Eight of the 10 leading causes of death in America are foodborne illnesses. But the structure, the legal structure,

there's no funding for that. Doctors aren't reimbursed for that. It doesn't make the medical system money. What this has led to is a siloing of chronic conditions to where I believe it's over 10 prescriptions are written per American per year. So it's not just, you know, these things are all happened by, you know, they're not just random. And what it's led, and I'll just close with this, and I think Rockefeller couldn't have planned it better the healthcare system you know which he really pioneered is now the largest industry in the country most employed industry in the country 20 you know as we know 20 of the economy and the fastest growing so you can't even wrap your head around this the largest and fastest growing usually i'm do startups and tech and tech and all of our businesses, your businesses,

innovation is lowering the price and creating better customer service, customer products. That's innovation. All these products and technology and consumer products, the price comes down, quality goes up. That's innovation. In medicine, the more we spend, the worse outcomes get. So it's this perfectly designed system that a lot goes to some smart people really, truly rigging the system to delegitimize holistic views of medicine and put this siloed view. And that's my life journey, Kyle, really, is that we need to change from a siloed view of medicine, where my sister graduates Stanford and chooses one of 42 specialties, one of 42 parts of the body to devote her entire life to, to where a patient comes unconscious with inflammation, and she's not

asking how that inflammation is related to that patient's migraines, that patient's diabetes, that patient's depression. She just cuts out the inflammation, sends it into the next doctor. That is what's broken in medicine. I'm engaging with a lot of public policymakers, and they're saying, you know, we need to change page 200 of the Medicare Part D Supplemental Insurance Act. No, it's not about that. The problem is the actual system. Until we actually understand the incentives of the system, which is to silo disease and make as much money as possible, people stay sick for longer. Until we attack that, we're going to continue to go bankrupt as a country and destroy our human capital. That was fucking awesome.

Was that a good rant? Okay. That was the best, dude. I love it. Especially online, you know, it's a little bit harder to be back and forth because the timing of- Okay, okay. You can interrupt me. You can interrupt me anytime. Yeah, I had, you know, I've been, and this isn't the same for everybody, but following Weston A. Price, guys like Paul Cech, Dr. I think William Walcott, who wrote the Metabolic Typing Diet.

You know, he studied genetics and different ancestry. And basically, you know, you can do a series of questionnaires that don't have to dive into 23andMe and shit like that and just figure out what is the right food for me. Most people, if you're not from the equator, do better with some meat, some fat in their diet. And if you, you know, the less problematic process and all that, that's a whole thing that we can just scrap for now, that whole argument. Ketogenic diets, fasting, different things like that work really well for someone like me, who's more of a polar type. And that's just because of what my DNA decided to take from my ancestors. In America, most people that are

here, especially if you have white skin would do really good to go without periodically, whether that's a ketogenic reset or fasting mimicking, you know, there's, there's low hanging fruit. There's different things there. I had the guys on, you know, I've been fascinated by CGMs. I had NutriSense on the podcast a couple of times once before COVID hit. And then after, and they said they had a ton of data and I got a good buddy, John beer, who's a part of levels. Love you guys. Love the work that you guys are doing there. Yeah. He's awesome. I'm sure you guys have seen a shit ton of like N equals however many thousands of people have come through there on how fast you can create metabolic flexibility and how that pertains to COVID blew me the fuck away, but it made a lot of sense actually, in that even if

you were a hundred, one of the things they said, and maybe, you know, maybe you'll agree or you're not agree, but one of the things that the lady said was, if you were a hundred pounds overweight, you wouldn't have to lose that whole hundred pounds to get, to regain some metabolic flexibility. All you'd have to do is reset your metabolism, which could be done in three to six weeks, right? Without losing the whole hundred pounds, you could begin to get the pancreas to reset. You could reset insulin sensitivity. You could do a lot of these things that then eliminate many of the comorbidities that we were seeing terrorize people from something that really wasn't that bad, but hit hard a nation that's sick. Yeah, man, you hit on a number of crucial, crucial points there. I mean,

one thing you're hitting on, and I really want to say this really strongly, is there's this pernicious and cynical lie that metabolic interventions are a long term play take time. We had an existential event, you know, I think one of the most historical events in the history of America with COVID, where we just completely and utterly shut down the country. And we just mobilized and did that immediately in the face of this seemingly what we thought was an existential threat. And it's funny, right? And you think about crises, and usually the industrial complexes have the plan. I mean, after 9-11, I would argue the military interests were really ready to, you know, and they made trillions of dollars, you know, and had a plan, quite frankly. But during COVID, we would have done anything that Dr. Fauci told us to do. If Dr. Fauci got on the microphone every day, which he did during

COVID and spouted a pharmaceutical solution, if he said, this is a turning point in American history. This is a foodborne illness, COVID. If we were metabolically healthy, you don't die of COVID, no matter how old you are, essentially. And not only is it the risk factor for COVID, it's the risk factor for eight of the 10 leading causes of chronic diseases that the US is leading the world in right now, because we are not fortified and our kids are not fortified. And he could have painted that and talked about the need to have a reset in America on getting to regenerative agriculture and getting to less sedentary environments. And everyone said, I say that, and people say, well, that's a lot. We had an immediate need. You can change your metabolism. You wear a CGM.

You can change this in, as you said, weeks to months. You can improve this quickly. You can dramatically lower your risk factors very, very quickly. And I completely reject this idea that these are longer. If we had a national emergency on children's health uh said that it's bs that 80 of schools still have a soda machine with full-fledged sugar drinks um if we had a national reckoning i mean michelle obama caved to the food companies quite frankly but if you had the secretary defense and the president uh say that we have to figure out uh how to feed kids better um food because it's a national security issue where 80% of 21-year-olds aren't physically fit enough to join the military. We actually have a crisis right now and are actually lowering standards in the military because so few young adults are even able to do a pull-up and are too obese, overweight, or metabolic and healthy to join the military.

It's 80% of 21-year-olds. We could have a reckoning very quickly. We could tell the USDA to stop recommending sugar to 2-year-olds, which they currently do. We could stop subsidizing addictive sugary drinks for our underprivileged populations with food stamps. Right now, there's more federal agriculture subsidies that go to tobacco than go to fruits and vegetables. We literally subsidize cigarettes more than fruits and vegetables with agriculture subsidies, and 90% of agriculture subsidies go to glyphosate-laden corn, wheat, and soy. So these things can happen quickly.

And I just think if you were an alien coming down, looking at what's happening in America, where there's rampant diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease, obesity, metabolic dysfunction, you wouldn't say let's continue that happening. Let's continue to have everyone get sick and then create little pills to potentially manage those in different ways for the rest of their lives, even though life expectancy is declining and everyone's getting depressed. No, you'd say like, let's figure out the root cause.

Let's take the $4 trillion we're spending on healthcare and actually figure out how to incentivize people to be healthy, to be on this journey. I don't think that's, people say that's maybe a nanny state thing. No, if we're going to spend $4 trillion on health, it's absolutely appropriate to ask how that keeps us healthy, how we can best use that money. Right now, it's just a complete giveaway to industries that are direly like they will have devastation if people get healthier. You even look at everyone excited about Ozempic, and you look at the investors that are investing in this new miracle obesity drug. They're excited because they're projecting obesity to increase over the next 10 to 15 years. How is that possible if the drug is supposed to be treating obesity, and they're modeling obesity increasing? This is a game that we can change quickly is what I would say.

Yeah, that's interesting. The model is there as well. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's interesting because I think there is interest for many reasons. But I think once people understand that it's like there's certain shit like, I don't know, there's things that get thrown out. They're like biohacker or life coach and shit like that. And then it's kind of like, eh, I don't really want to work with that.

Or I don't really, you know, like it's kind of gives you a weird feeling. But these principles are just the basics of common sense health. You know, like Paul Cech has the last four doctors you'll ever need. Dr. Quiet, what does your sleep and your meditation practice look like?

Dr. Movement, how often are you moving? Are you sedentary? Are you walking enough? Do you do some form of weightlifting, yoga, just anything? What's your movement practice? Dr. Diet, all the supplements, all the water, what is your water quality? What are the foods you put in your body? And Dr. Happiness, what drives you? What wakes you up? What are you working towards in life? What does the big picture look like? And how do you achieve a little bit of that? Those things are so fucking overlooked and they're so basic, but at the same time, like basics went out on everything. And it's mind blowing to me that, you know, a doctor will say, you know, you hear it all the time. I have, I have my father's side of the family. We were medical doctors, family medicine.

My cousins and anesthesiologists graduated from Stanford. She's great. I mean, I haven't really taken a deep dive with her on this. I don't want to shit on her, but she's great. Cousin Emily's amazing. A lot of nurses in my family and a lot of people are sick. You know, like I found out through 23andMe and found my fitness. You know, Dr. Rhonda Patrick runs theMe and found my fitness, you know, Dr. Rhonda Patrick runs the stuff

and I'll actually tell you what it means. And high likelihood for type two diabetes, high likelihood for obesity. Same with Aubrey Marcus, you're gonna meet Saturday. Yeah. And same with my wife, right? And all three of us are very lean, right? Like there's no genetic determinism in that.

Like I don't, this isn't my death sentence because I have this in my genes, right? And that's a big misnomer too. But one of the things that's hard is that the person you're talking to about health and wellness inherently doesn't understand for themselves those four doctors. They don't go to bed on time. They don't put the right food in their body. And you're asking a sick person how to get healthy. That's my, you know, if it's a blunt point, I mean, I have yet, there's many people that I see in the health and wellness game and you're just like, really? You're the one that's

informing us? Even on the presidential level, you see whoever's the fucking, the health minister, and you're like, really? That's our head of health? Oh, it's amazing. I think it's fair. I mean, I think, you know, you have a doctor or a trainer or a health official, they should be healthy. And I think, you know, I think that's a fair expectation. What you're you bring up, you know, on this point about the how simple it seems, it's almost like, uncomfortable, it doesn't seem legitimate, how simple the answers seem. It brings back a story working for the American Beverage Association for Coke. And sitting around the table, the goal is to make things complex from these companies. If you can make things complex, you have power.

So one stat that I go to and what we helped do back when I was working for Coke is, as I said, we would carpet bomb research institutions for nutrition studies. And if you go to PubMed, you know, which is, which is the peer reviewed database, there's been 50,000 nutrition studies in the past two years. Okay. 50,000. And I can tell you the strategy. So sometimes it's very quid pro quo.

It's, you know, there's been hundreds of studies that say sugar might not cause obesity. The aspartame has come up, this highly toxic, very processed ingredient that's obviously probably not good for us. We have very little research on. 92% of the studies, sorry, I think it's 100% of the studies funded by institutions, by industry say it's fine. And then 92% of independent studies say that it's very problematic. So there's that. But also, when we were funding this research, we didn't care what the research said. We literally just wanted more and more studies because you see on the news, right? It's like seed oils are good, seed oils are bad. You know, gas stoves are the problem. You know, fats the problem. The fact

that there's always this like, confusion is the point. And it's a very coordinated effort, I think to gaslight us to just realize, if we literally and Paul, Dr. Paul might not like this, but I actually think Dr. Paul is 90% connected to maybe somebody saying to eat a little less meat and plants, a good influencer on that side. Paul, if you listen to 90% of what he said, it's really just about getting back to basics. It's about a search for truth on basics. It's about eating things that were biologically made to eat. This should not be controversial. And it truly is the answer. Like anyone, right? Even, you know, it's not to judge anyone and people need to go on their same journey. But you know, somebody that actually fixes their diet and exercise 150 minutes a week is massively that's a massively more efficacious

reduction of depression than taking SSRIs and seeing a psychiatrist, seeing a therapist regularly, literally not even seeing a therapist, just eating better and running. So there are these answers. And, you know, I think a lot of your folks are evangelical about this personal empowerment. And, you know, I've had a personal journey, you know, with my sister and, you know, after, you know, watching what happened to my mom, you know, some, some, some experiences with that and very, I'd say transcendent experiences, just being on a path of, of, of thinking more deeply about what I'm eating, what my son's eating, you know, movement, sunlight, sleep, these habits, you know, it's why I started coming to space.

I'm writing a book with my sister. It's been changed life. I'm certainly not perfect and on a journey, but I think as a societal objective, everyone should be more in touch with the basics. I think we're spiritually missing something right now where we're just totally out of touch with our bodies, right? Where you just look at the sickness and look at the disattachment, disaggregation from our bodies. I think it's like 70% of Americans don't work out at all in a month. It's just like we're funneling processed shit into our bodies. I don't think people want to do that. I don't think we've become systematically lazier in the past generation. I don't think we've become, you know, have more of a death wish.

I think my mom wanted to, you know, meet her grandchild, which she wasn't able to do. I think, you know, men who are dying much earlier now, life expectancy going down, want to walk their daughters down the aisle. I actually don't think people are like massively suicidal right now, which is essentially what's happening. I think we really do, you know, need a bottoms up revolution, but have this like, I think it's an addiction crisis at the end of the day, actually. You know, when you really go through the psychology, why are all these people like essentially like trying to kill themselves? It's like, I think it's similar to opioids. It's similar to the opioid crisis. It's like,

you sit in an airport, and I've been this way too, fiending for sugar. It's like why are all these people just funneling absolute toxic garbage? I think it's because the food is truly, if you do a brain scan on folks eating these ingredients, it's the same areas light up as any other drug. And we need to have a reckoning with that. Yeah, I think there's a benefit even for somebody who's more of an equatorial type or somebody that does, because there are plenty of people in the population. I'd argue that there's less in America, but there are plenty of people internationally that do better. Like Okinawans, they're a part of the blue zone. They're eating, they have white rice as their primary macronutrient, but still they're filling that in

with oysters and shellfish that have some of the highest levels ofronutrient. But still they're filling that in with oysters and shellfish that have some of the highest levels of micronutrients, like even more than beef liverwurst, right? Just fucking loaded. Shellfish are loaded with good stuff. So they're getting a well-rounded diet there, but they're geared to eat that. And I still believe that we periodically went without,

you know, so even if it is intermittent fasting, and I don't mean, you know, doing 16, eight for six months straight, but keeping it intermittent. So it's every once in a while, you do go without for a little bit, just to retune that, especially if you're not lifting weights or running or doing something else, that's going to help with that. I think in those periods where we go without, I mean, I remember the first time I did a ketogenic diet, it was in 2014, right when I retired from the UFC. That was the first time where I felt coming back to food that I didn't, I wasn't a slave to eating where I was just like, oh, I'm cool if I do, I'm cool if I don't. Like, I wasn't like, I have to eat right now. Even on the day I broke my fast, I was like, oh,

I guess I get to have dinner tonight. That's cool. You know, it was a very weird thing. I don't believe, you know, like I was 30, 32 at that point. And for, that means for 32 years, I had never missed a meal, you know, for 32 years. And, and, and also for 32 years, every meal had carbohydrates in it. Every meal had something likely processed in it for 32 fucking years, right? Three squares a day plus snacks, right? So to actually get that break, that really allows for selectivity. But when you talk about the addiction portion of this, and it's a hundred percent true, right? Some of the highest paid people in the food industry are the food scientists that create our food. Rob Wolf dives right into this and where to eat. You know, he uses the, it's not your fault. You know, He's thinking of the Goodwill hunting scene. It's

not your fault. It's not your fault. Well, Robin Williams just keeps repeating that. But it's a break. It's a break that allows us to actually step one layer back. And then we truly have some free will over what we want to put in our bodies. But up until that point, we're largely driven by not so good bacteria and fungus, candida, you name it, right? That's all a part of the game too. And this highly engineered, highly processed thing that's designed to light up every fucking chemical spot in our brain with more, more, more, this is good. A couple of crucial points there.

So one is, I think you make a great point, right? It's like Okinawa, they have a different diet than here. I personally am on the low carb. I think grains, and especially highly processed grains and sugar is bad. But again, I think, as I said, there's room, I think, if you listen to the carnivores like Paul C. Faldino or even people on different sides, it's like the good people are essentially saying hunt for the nutrients. It's kind of this battle over actually disaggregating food

into what our body actually needs. And one concept I think about is that we have just a really bad cognitive bias of splitting food into what the actual components of it are. So if you had a glass of water and then right next to it a glass of water with arsenic in it, you'd be able to disaggregate that one thing has poison, you shouldn't eat that. But we as a society, and I think this is very intentional, and I think, again, it's reinforced by food companies paying tick-tock

and food stores say you shouldn't be stigmatizing food, and nutrition research which says processed food is potentially as good as – literally the NIH right now says that Cheerios are better than quinoa as a grain. I mean the Food Compass survey says that, literally, the NIH right now says that Cheerios are better than quinoa as a grain. I mean, the food compass survey says that literally the NIH, which is also funded, that study is funded by food companies too. So I think my lesson from a lot of these folks talking about this is not necessarily, you know, to subscribe to a certain rigid dietary philosophy, but to see what's in the food. If your beef, if your cow ate crappy GMO grains, which they're not biologically made to eat, they have a completely reverse ratio of omega-6s to omega-3s. The omega-3s are anti-inflammatory. The omega-6s are inflammatory versus a cow that ate

grass. It's literally the reverse. So because of what that cow ate, you're literally putting much more inflammatory items in your body, which makes sense, quite frankly, right? You know, thinking about the grains you're eating, how those grains were made, whether they were sprayed with a neurotoxin that's being banned in Europe, glyphosate, like really researching. So it's, I think, you know, the blue zone things, which, you know, some people have quibbles with, but I think there are some lessons to learn there. It's not necessarily a rigid dietary philosophy. It's just hunting for the micronutrients and frankly, not eating poison. You know, these places are, you know, they're not poisoned food. They have a high standard of food. So that's a journey I'm on.

It's really understanding what's in your food. And then the other thing you said is, you know, the fasting. And this is what my sister and I are writing the book about. And again, I think what our main mission is, is that it's not that complicated to just tie and really understand what our bodies are biologically made to do. And going to the history of like, kind of how our evolution, we are made to go periods without food. The three meals a day thing is complete marketing. The breakfast, the most important meal a day is total bullshit. We're actually made and designed with two ways to burn energy, right? We can burn energy, obviously, from the glucose,

from the carbs and the food reading. And then we have fat storage. The evolutionary purpose of fat is because for almost all of human history, there was feast and famine cycles. And if you saw a bunch of fruit, you were well advised to eat as much of that as possible and actually put on some fat that can be burned from energy later. Somebody that was morbidly obese a couple decades ago actually did not eat one morsel of food for over 300 days and was perfectly healthy, actually dramatically more healthy afterwards. Most humans could actually very healthily go weeks without eating because you have fat storage to burn off. That's the evolutionary purpose.

And having that metabolic flexibility shifting into that burning ketones instead of glucose, the fact that we're not doing that, the fact that you said that until you were 32, most Americans go their entire lives without going into burning ketones, and which is why they're storing excess fat. I don't think most doctors understand that. I don't think, you know, it's bros on the podcast talking about this that are delegitimized, but these are very important concepts. And it's actually not that hard, right, for medical leaders to talk about this, right? To talk about the basics, to incentivize the basics, to have somebody that's on Medicaid, lower income. We're spending more on diabetes treatment on Medicaid than the defense budget. We're bankrupting the country because somebody that's young,

lower income and sick, we're going to be paying for them for the rest of their lives. What if we taught them about these issues? What if we incentivized exercise for them? What if we actually gave them a card that they could buy good food on? That would change their life and save a lot of money. And we could do that. We could follow the science on these things and really try to return and have public policy that returns us to what we're biologically made to do, which is sleep, which is eat healthy, which is to fast, which is to have chronic stress management. For some reason, you'll have to explain to me. We basically put kids into a total buzz song, chronic stress, have just the schools, have them sit at the desk, have them listen to a teacher instead of collaborate, have their phones

in their pocket, their chronic stress machines. It's a disaster. We're not teaching them meditation. We're not teaching them how to regulate their emotion. We're not having them move often. We're sitting them inside to regulate their emotions. We're almost like designing society to ignore our biological needs instead of cater to them. And until we realize that from a public policy perspective, and frankly, until we realize that there are interests at play on the food and pharma, again, food that's making us sick and pharma, which is profiting from people being sick, that's a problem. 100%. Well, we're getting close to the end here. I want to talk a little bit about you. Obviously, you have your book coming out. I'd love for you to talk about that. I'd love for you to also to talk about some of the different companies that you support. I

noticed a couple of them are psychedelics based. I got my psilocybin shirt on here. Good. So I'm wondering what your, what your experience is with that. We talked about, you know, spirituality and transcendence, you know, and obviously that can just be the case from losing a loved one. Yeah. But also these other, these other tools can be that as well for, for waking us up and

allowing, I mean, it is certainly in my, in my case, and I always was an athlete, but what, what my initial ceremonies did for me with plant medicine, specifically ayahuasca and psilocybin is they, they showed me where I was fucking up in my life and just very curtly and very to the point gave me then the choice. Do I want to continue in this way hurting myself or do I actually want to love myself? And that, you know, it can sound airy fairy, like, how do you love yourself? Well, I love myself by making good decisions for my body. I love myself by making the right decision, by having discipline around what I put into my body and when I go to bed. That's one of the ways that I love myself. Very practical. Yeah. I mean, my story on that and just,

you know, tying to mental health, which I think is a phrase, I think the psych, you know, the psychiatry profession is a scandal in this country. I think everyone deals with meaning and quote unquote mental health and is searching for meaning in their lives. I was, you know, a conservative, very, very straight laced family guy growing up. I never would be expected to talk about psychedelics or be an evangelist for psychedelics. It's very surprising after my mom died, my previous company was struggling a bit during COVID, which actually I started with my wife. So there was a lot of dynamics there, which were hard. My wife just had a miscarriage. There was a lot of life events. And somebody, a scientist actually recommended, do the Johns Hopkins protocol, basically a high

dose and introspective. And I was like, what are you talking about? That's for hippies. Yeah. The psychedelic experience was the most impactful moment of my life, I would say, because it brought together my meaning, kind of showed the truth, you know, kind of tied together my mom's death, what I'm doing with my life, my marriage, my relationship with my sister. As you've said, that's exactly what it was for me. I think it does. And there's a lot of science on this. You have these wedges in your brain, these patterns, and it removes you a little bit higher level. And you do see, I think, pretty much the truth. Now, that in and of itself isn't a panacea,

but it does show you, I think, what you need to do and the habits you need to have every day if you want to be the person you want to be and have a good impact on the life. And, you know, there's a lot of science on this Johns Hopkins, it's probably the best science and neuroscience results ever. It's showing consistently to be one of the best intervention for depression ever studied. I really hope it's legal. My hope societally, and tying down the other things we've talked about, is it's not forcing anyone to do this, but I think the fact that these tools have been stigmatized is absolutely... it actually traces to the war on drugs to where the folks that wrote the war on drugs were actually lobbyists and lawyers for pharmaceutical companies who made

SSRIs, Valium and Benzos and things like that. And actually purposely wanted to stigmatize psychedelics, which get to root cause when Nixon was actually saying, we need to, we need to ban these things because the hippies are thinking for themselves too much and questioning the Vietnam War. They were actually right. So there was a big effort to really stigmatize these drugs. And for anyone that's taken them, it's like, this is a root cause. To me, it's like food. It's a root cause thing that helps you really understand, not just paper over or numb your trauma, but actually understand and reframe. It's one tool, but I think it's a very important tool. So yeah, I've been talking about that, investing in companies on that front.

Really do think it's part of this root cause. But through that journey, through selling my previous company, being inspired by my sister, by my mom, I really asked, how do we really push this forward? How do we stop complaining about the fact that what we talked about today, which I think is very important for people to understand how the system is rigged, how do we actually start changing it? And I think, Kyle, I think where the rubber hits the road, we've got to communicate it on podcasts. We've got to wake people up. People are buying books. People are listening to you, on podcasts. We've got to wake people up. People are buying books. People are listening to you, listening to Joe Rogan, listening. Everyone's talking about

this. And then we need to slant that into incentives. We need to actually slant healthcare dollars to starting to pay instead of for SSRIs, for psychedelics, instead of for stans and informant for food and exercise. And there's actually a way to do that. So my main thrust right now is called true med, our company. Um, and, we actually write prescriptions for food, for exercise,

for supplements. Um, I think we're, I think we're working already with a number of companies, you know, you're, you're close with, um,

you know, a lot of leading, leading folks got investors from like thrive market, age, sleep, um, on down, um,

a number of leading supplement companies working with us, investing in us. Thrive Market, Age Sleep, On Down, a number of leading supplement companies working with us, investing in us. And we write doctor's notes for those products. And if a doctor recommends better sleep, better supplementation, food, exercise, we just launched a national program with CrossFit. So every person at every cross in america can actually get a doctor's note if appropriate and expense their their gym

membership with hsa fsa dollars which are tax-free medical dollars that usually go to pharma if you have a doctor so it unlocks that hsa fsa spending um so that's that's that's what our company is doing um you know we're one we're one person in the fight to try to enable all these great supplement brands and all these great exercise companies and all these great people trying to do the right thing. But it's hard to do. I mean, I know probably in your experience, it's hard to do the right ingredients and put the right ingredient and do the healthy because the crappy stuff is subsidized. The crappy stuff is addictive.

So if we can bend the cost curve, if we can shift medical dollars, write doctor's notes and actually save people 30, 40% tax free spending on these items, that's just one example. And I think that's where the rubber hits the road. And I'm also been fortunate to be engaging with a number of politicians

and trying to educate them, right? The way to change society, I do believe in the American people. I don't think we're all trying to kill ourselves. I think it's just like we all talk about it. A Coke is less expensive than water because it's so subsidized. You go buy some crap at McDonald's, but buying some vegetables or pasture-raised meat is very expensive. We just need to change the cost of those things. I don't want to ban anything. We just need to change and actually rectify the incentives. And I think we'll start making the right decisions. So that's what I'm doing. TrueMed to try to change the incentives more from the top down of the incentives. And then I just,

whatever I can do with my sister, I write in this book and just, just amazing to connect with people like you, Kyle on the front lines. I think communication is vital. I think there is this battle against independent media right now. I, you know, it's kind of trivialized as well by the media, this kind of complaints about cancel culture. I, the greatest innovation in the US, you know, the world was at war at all times until we figured out how to talk. And I think talking about these big things and the fact that there's such policing of what we can talk about, that we can't ask a question that a parent is an anti-science putting their child at risk for asking why the mandatory shots for their child has gone from 20 to 70 in 20 years.

Baha'i companies, sorry, I'm not trying to get you banned from YouTube here. But it's like, maybe those are good. I don't think vaccines have been bad. But I do think it's something that, why is there policing of that question? Why is there policing when the companies that make vaccines, Merck's and GlaxoSmithKline are criminal entities that have paid billions of dollars in criminal fines for bribing doctors and falsifying data? Why do they get a complete and utter blank check and air cover from tech companies, the media and the

government for even asking a question and a parent is literally kicked out of a pediatrician's office for asking a question about what they're injecting in their kid's body when the medication itself is marketed as something that changes that child's immune system for their entire lives. We should ask questions. We are being treated like children by the media and the government and tech companies. And this independent media wave and communication, what you're doing and what so many soldiers in this fight are doing, I think is vital because I think a lot of minds are changing. So we've got to do that.

Your audience and I'm on this journey, keep reading the books, getting the bio-wearables, taking the supplements, being on this journey, figuring out whether you agree with Dr. Paul or eating more vegetables. It's a beautiful journey. We should all be encouraging that. But from the top down, we've got to change incentives. So that's what we're doing at TrueMed. And yeah, TrueMed.com. Ranting about this a lot on my Twitter, Cali Means, but trying to do whatever I can to just be a soldier in this fight. Well, you're an excellent soldier and I'm blessed to have you

on. I'm super excited to meet you tomorrow night. I'm pumped, man. At the Bobby Kennedy event. Yeah, that'll be awesome. And yeah, I'm looking forward to the future here. When does your book come out? Yeah, it's coming out next year, April timeline. Perfect. It's been, yeah, in my sister's voice, Dr. Casey Means. We're the co-authors and we'd love to talk about it then. We're really excited about it.

I will happily have you both back on when you guys get ready to launch. We'd love to do it. Thank you so much you