Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #325 The Pose Method w/ Dr Nicholas Romanov

Episode Date: October 19, 2023

Dr. Nicholas Romanov is a developer of the Pose Method® and world-renowned sports scientist. He was born, raised and educated in Russia, but relocated to United States in the early 90s. A man of humble beginnings, Dr. Romanov became a star Track & Field athlete, a champion with several records in high-jump standing unmatched for years, coached champions, conducted a significant body of scientific research, wrote two groundbreaking books on technique & training as well as published numerous scientific papers, and started a revolution by pointing out Gravity as the leading force in human movement. Dr Romanov took us ALL the way through his life growing up in the full on USSR, moving across Russia as a kid and his eventual emigration to the USofA baby! He has worked with multiple world class athletes and continues to do so. We’re all also lucky enough that he runs seminars for regular Joes like us. Try to get into the story because it is a powerful one. He does have a very thick Russian accent so no blame if you can't follow. His info is second to none so at least go check out The Pose Method and keep learning.    ORGANIFI GIVEAWAY Keep those reviews coming in! Please drop a dope review and include your IG/Twitter handle and we’ll get together for some Organifi even faster moving forward.   Connect with Dr Romanov: Website: posemethod.com - nicholasromanov.com  Instagram: @posemethod - @drnicholasromanov    Sponsors: Organifi Go to organifi.com/kkp to get my favorite way to easily get the most potent blend of high vibration fruits, veggies and other goodies into your diet! Click that link and use code “KKP” at checkout for 20% off your order! New Biology Clinic coming to you from the mind of Dr Thomas Cowan, New Biology will bring Dr Cowan’s approach to health and wellness to yall! Head to newbiologyclinic.com and get your health right! Lucy Go to lucy.co and use codeword “KKP” at Checkout to get 20% off the best nicotine gum in the game, or check out their lozenge. Cured Nutrition has a wide variety of stellar, naturally sourced, products. They’re chock full of adaptogens and cannabinoids to optimize your meatsuit. You can get 20% off by heading over to www.curednutrition.com/KKP  using code “KKP” To Work With Kyle Kingsbury Podcast   Connect with Kyle: Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App  Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys - @gardenersofeden.earth  Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site    Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

Welcome back to the show, everybody. Today's guest is somebody that I've been, I don't know if I've been talking about him as much as I've been talking about what he's done. Dr. Romanoff, if you're familiar with, is the creator and founder of the Pose Method. And years ago, when I first got to Onnit in 2017 as director of human optimization and host of the Onnit podcast, the total human optimization podcast and all that fun shit, making supplements, I was introduced to the very best of the best in any particular thing. And John Wolf, being the master trainer at Onnit, was telling me that I have to take a running seminar. And I was like, hey, you know, I don't know. I don't really care for running that much. And he he's like that's why you got to do it this guy is doing something that's different than anyone else uh he's been doing it for years he's an old timer and he knows the inside and out i was like all right and everyone who took the seminar

swore by it then years later uh when i wasn't no longer working on it i popped in we still do a lot there i get my rehab done there, train there, that kind of shit. And I popped in and I ran into Dr. Romanoff and his son, Severin, who were in town getting ready to do another trip to hang with the army and teach them everything they know about running. So I was like, oh shit, man, I remember you guys. And they had given me one of their books, which I never admittedly got around to reading. And it really wouldn't have done much because I just needed to do the damn

seminar. So finally, after years, they said, hey, I told him I don't have time. I exchanged numbers with Severin. And I said, let me know when you guys are back in town. I will come and do a seminar. I've been beating around the bush with it for fucking five, six years. So they came back. I took the seminar with my wife and was fucking blown away. Now I've trained. I'm not a fantastic runner by any stretch of the imagination. I don't claim to be, don't claim to be a fantastic sprinter or a fantastic distance runner. I've done one ultra marathon and it was cool. That was enough for me. Done a handful of half marathons. Cool. Uh, I ran like a 4.640. That was my fastest 40

and did not do so when I was in college. I did so after the fact when I was training in the UFC. So I've never was really fast in football and definitely not in high school football. But I say all that not to disqualify myself. I say that because I did train with some pretty fucking awesome people. The guy who got me to a 4, six 40 was Remy Corchemney and Remy Corchemney was introduced to me from Victor Conti, who did a lot of work with his athletes. And, uh, Remy was fantastic. And it's from a similar area as Dr. Romanoff, uh, you know, former USSR and, uh, but different countries within there. It's a vast area. It's like saying you're from the U S sure. We're from the U S we're from different places, but any who, uh, what Dr. Romanoff was proposing was that

everything that we had been taught about running was utter nonsense. And what he was finding was the commonalities between certain places that we all get to in the running that make running, uh, not unique, but that there is a position we wind up in, in running, which is what we call this particular pose. And so pose method was born by finding the commonality between all runners. So heel striker, toe striker, that kind of shit. And for people who don't care about running, and I certainly didn't myself, what it meant was I could find a way to run that didn't hurt. Now, I'm not overweight. I have a high BMI because I have a high muscle mass. Most of you guys, if you lift weights, probably are in the same category. It doesn't

mean shit. It doesn't mean anything about health, but I've never really enjoyed running. I found a way to enjoy it when I'm running with my wife or if I'm doing a race. I can find a little rhythm, get the runners high. I can push through the burn, and then I'm like, all right, that was worth it. That was cool. But I'm always sore and it does bang up my big body to run until I started doing pose method. And I was like, this is a fucking game changer, an absolute game changer. And I came on the podcast and I told everyone about it. And I said, you guys, I got to get you guys on the podcast. And that took a long time. It took a long time to go by several months before we could finally lock down a time. What Dr. Romanoff and really what Severin put together was our own private little seminar, which was fucking incredible. We had them out at

the farm. I had all the farm crew out there. The kids came, Bear was asking great questions and doing it with them. He ran the whole way with them. And I just think like, what a special thing to be able to do. Now, this podcast is different in that it is much, much, much longer than I normally podcast. And the reason for that is I didn't want to jump in. Dr. Romanoff has his own cadence. I promise you, if you listen closely enough, you're going to understand through the thick Russian accent that you'll know what the fuck he's saying. And it's really an incredible story. I mean, this guy lived through the 1980s. He lived through the fall of the Soviet Union. He was there for all of it and somehow found his way into the United States. And like all things, no one thought this guy was talking about anything. He thought everything he was saying about running was total bullshit.

Everyone from the old running world did not want to give up what they knew. Sounds a lot like science, right? And he's a scientist. He is a scientist and professor and they didn't want to change their tune. So it took him coming here and his story is fucking incredible how he ended up working with, I mean, he works with the best teams on earth. Now he works with the U S Olympic team, the British Olympic team, the Chinese Olympic team. I mean, if you, any brazzer, he works with the U S military. He looks at your works with armed

forces and the army and, and the army was losing $500 million a year in running injuries because people are told, you know, they're not runners. Then they come in, they have to run for basic training. They don't know how to run and they get hurt. Most people who want to get in shape say, I'm going to start running. And I have fucking, I have, I have neighbors like this. They see me going for a jog with the kids and they're like, I'm going to start running. They get inspired and they just go out and run their ass off. And most of them get hurt. So when I, when I run into people and they're seeing them running and they're like, Hey man, I'm trying to get like you or whatever the hell their story is. I'm like, dude, you got to check out Poe's method.

Go on Instagram, check them out. I'll link to there in the show notes. If you do anything from this podcast, go to their website and follow them on the gram because videos help more than anything else. The book is fantastic, The Running Revolution, and is sold a shit ton. I think it's the highest selling runner's book ever written.

But most importantly, you got to see what these drills look like. You got to try this for yourself. And the truth is, I never enjoyed running until I got with these guys. And now at 41 years old, I really enjoy running. I enjoy the fuck out of running. It's one of my favorite things to do. It's become easy, it become pain-free, and it become faster at the same time as a side effect to that, which is cool. It's like, all right, awesome. Dr. Romoff, if you can stick through this podcast, I can assure you, this is one hell of a fucking story.

And that's why I just let him go and go and go. I was not about to cut this dude off or cut short anything that he found to be an important segment in his life. He's in his 70s and he goes through the full catalog of his life that brought him to where he is today. And it is a fucking beautiful and exceptional story. He's an exceptional human. I love him very much. I love his work. His son Severn is fucking awesome too.

It reminds me a lot of Wim Hof and his son, you know, like kind of being the businessman of, of, of daddy Wim going out and changing the world. Make no mistake. Dr. Romanoff is changing the world. There's no two ways about it. There are many ways you can support this podcast. First and foremost, share it with people. Everyone fucking runs or has tried to run. So share this far and wide with everybody and let them know, like, this is a big one here and just let them know, like, Hey, if you don't do anything else, just share the website with them. Really get these guys tuned into, to the running revolution and what these guys are all about. We'll have links to everything

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but like that planted a seed in me. And I remember telling your son, Severin, I was like, anytime you guys come to town, I want to know about it. And fortunately, even though I don't work there anymore and on it sold, I bumped back into you guys the last time you were in town or two times ago when you were in town.

And we started scheduling, looking at dates and I put it in my calendar when you guys be in town next. And my wife and I got to come and take one of your seminars and it was absolutely fucking mind blowing. It was one of the coolest things I've ever done. It shattered everything I'd been taught about running previous, which was laughable, but also kind of par for the course as I've gone on and whether it's, you know, food and nutrition science or any of these things, like a lot of the things we were taught in schools, you know, was incorrect. So, so it, it kind of fell right in line with, with, um, you know, my general understanding of health and

wellness and athleticism, but at the same time, it was really refreshing and, and brilliant in that you, you basically found a way to understand what links us all in running and to get rid of the differences, right? And if we look at the world politically or as a whole right now, and everyone's so focused on division, what is the thing that unites us? And that's really what you did with running. So we're going to dive into that, but I also want to know, as I do with any of these podcasts, where you're from, what was life like growing up, and how come you became the person you are?

How did you become the person you are today? It's one side. It's easy because it's about myself. From another side, it's difficult because it's about myself. And it's dialectic. As a history of my life, it's quite easy points, which I was born in May 1951, you know, on the way from Moscow to Kamchatka.

My mom was running to the parents, her parents, my grandparents, and I got an appearance into this world on my way in Siberia. It's a known very big city of mines. It's called Novokuznetsk. very big city of mines it's called Novokuznetsk

at the time it was called a different name but now it's Novokuznetsk called Niznetsk yeah it's difficult it's Russian not syllables more consonants yes letters it's difficult to pronounce but it was there Not syllables, just... More consonants?

Yes, letters, you know, it's a difficult pronounce. But it was there. And my life actually, like, with a conscience, memories started in Kamchatka. You probably know this peninsula on the Far East. It's right across Alaska.aska oh cool very cool you know i live in the biggest city it's petrovala kamchatsky hall and i saw beauties of this place because nature is amazing obviously i still have these memories of that place because it's a volcanic place, gazers, and obviously it's a seafood. My memory carry on, the smell of crabs.

Oh man, I bet. Yeah, cold water, cold water for seafood, there's nothing better than that it was full table you know and I ask mom all the

time do you have something else nope nope it's

incredible severe winters severity of like that your house could be covered with snow up to the roof.

And we get out. During the wintertime, it was no sun completely. You know, you know this. Yeah, you're that far north, right? Yes, it's correct. How long did that last?

Because I know it's different in different parts of Alaska. I've got family in Sitka. Yes. I spent some time in Sitka spent some time in Sitka near their fishing in the Kenai Peninsula

but that's all really far south west coast it's not where they're having months without light

temperatures severe as well in the summertime it's hot like hell it could be you know

and the winter it it's hot like hell. It could be. And in the winter, it could be cold like hell. Minus 50. Damn. So nobody goes to work. Nobody goes to school or anything. Everyone has food in the house. And we are enjoying time there because you cannot go anywhere. It's just only special transportation, like snowmobiles, but it's available only for customs guys who were on the border.

It was a funny story with that. And we had people, native people, Chukchi and Karaki, who were, in my memory, I remember, they were with these mooses,

you know, not mooses, like, they were mooses, right? Moose? Moose. They wore like a moose skin? Not, not, not moose. It's animals. Oh, big mooses that right? Moose? They wore like a moose skin? Not, not, not moose.

It's animals. Oh, big mooses that are there. Yes, right. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you don't call them meese. Oh. Mooses, yeah. Moose is the plural, actually, for multiple moose.

Mooses, yes. They're giant. I saw one in Alaska. I didn't realize how many people die from car accidents with moose until I saw one. And we were in a lifted truck and it was fucking way taller than the truck.

Cause like, holy shit. I didn't know something like that existed. And in nature they are giants and they keep the herds of mooses. And basically they are not hunters, but what is called shepherds. And they were very ingenious and very natured people. And with Winchesters, you know, rifles. Later on I understood like how the hell they have this American Winchester thing? Because they had relatives across the Bering Stream. And there is no border was really, you know. Would you consider those, are those people considered Inuit or Eskimo? I mean, I don't know if that was only on the American side.

Eskimo, it's American side. On our side, they are Chukchi and Karaki. Okay. But very similar in many... Yeah, absolutely. They speak same language. Okay, cool. That's why they have Winchesters because... Because they got the friends, yeah. They got family. No, the family is there. And they all had this... When they get drunk, they start shooting.

Sounds like Texans. Yeah. Don't go anywhere. They start shooting. It's a very wild west, east. So that part, and then we start moving back. And our first stop, or stop, was in

Siberia, around Lake Baikal. And I spent a couple years there with my parents again, with grandparents. A beautiful, beautiful place. It's incredible nature again, you know. Since that time, I've fallen

in love with that nature. It's very severe nature. Obviously, if you're not ready to accept this, it will kill you, you know. But at the same time, it's an incredible source for everything. Food is there. You just need to know how to get to this food and clean absolutely nature. You know, all this stuff what we see right now with plastic bags and this filthy things. Clean, clean water.

You can drink from river. Wow. This is how clean. And during summertime, there's so many berries, different kind, you know. I mean, it's incredible. You can live without any problem. And native people

over there, who live there, really honest, very trusting people. They never close the doors in the houses. No any locks, anything. Because of that level of trust to everything, you know.

And people who would come there with a bad intention would be very quickly recognized, you know, because different behaviors. Yeah, absolutely. Different energy too. Yes, right. That's why they cannot stay long there among these people.

Trust and that very good nature of people allows, creates this kind of incredible environment. And obviously these people are incredibly brave do you understand they're not afraid any yeah it's a different cut from a different cloth yeah you will not scare them with anything they could go with a knife on the bear you understand people will not scare them so when you live in that kind of environment

you kind of get cleansing I would say and then after a few years there many different troubles which I went through as a child you know it's happened went through as a child, you know, it's happened.

We moved more west, but still on the eastern part of the Soviet Union at that time. Ural Mountains place, you know, again, my parents just changed place to work and we stayed there a few years. It's become already more westernized scenery with people, buildings and everything. But it's still very deep Russian side, you know, and it's beautiful again, you know. And not much there, only I start go to school and then next thing we moved again back

west again to European part where my parents and grandparents from because we originally were from area where a few nations were neighboring like Tatar, Chuvash, Mardwa, and Russians.

And my parents, grandparents lived in a place we call Trehbaltaeva. I'm like three language speaking, you know, if you translate it. And they speak freely on these three languages. Do you understand? There's no accent. Because the neighboring over there is so close, it's like people mixed like that, all nationalities, you know, Tatars are Muslim, but it doesn't matter.

So nobody cares about this, you know, really. All languages, nations. It was an incredible mix of these things. And we came to this place, but not exactly where they have been born, but a little bit north of this. It's called Small Little City. I call it Small little shitty city but where I got everything

what human experience could get through I mean after that basically I didn't get anything new no matter how far and how we traveled

that city gave me such a deep understanding of the world. And it's a litmus paper, you know? Litmus test, yeah. Yes, it's a small city, 50,000 people population, you know? But incredible combination of incredibly intelligent people from one side, from other side, is criminals, you know, thieves, prostitutes, drugs dealing people, you know. And you live between that. You study in the school because there's no separation, there's no private school.

Kids from the top level of people of the city, like governing city people, and the people from the poorest, they study in one class. So you are there. And you have no problem with that. It's kind of social leveling, you know. And that's why you get that experience. And I got this, you know, from one side, I was very good student in the school. Always my mom was happy with my studies. And that's why I was attached to this top-level families in the city.

And from one side, and from the other side, I was neighboring, living in the same big apartment building. Jokes and prostitutes and all the other things yeah you gotta that's a real that's a get the ground running

and the life skills you see completely drunk people at the evening you know fighting you know and then you're going

to the library and you're reading books you know I was a very good reader until like almost like ending like the library and reading books, you know, I was a very good reader. Until like, almost like ending like mid-school time, I read all classical literature already. I mean, American, French, German, everything. When I came to America, I was surprised that Americans do not know American drivers. I'm like, do you know who is Fanny Moore Cooper?

Do you know Ogandri? Edgar Poe? And something like that. Do you know chief of Redskin? Chief of this Ogandri? You know, the road you take? You know, something. People don't know this. I'm like, oh my goodness, how the hell is that, you know?

So that kind of mixed in me, and I'm growing, and I'm growing from two sides, you know. This is drunkards, you know, fighters, and this is top-level intelligent people who are giving you literature. They teach you good manners, you know, I know what this classical music is, what is opera, what is ballet, you know, and this kind of came out very harmonical, you know.

That's why any bad place I'm getting, I'm like, oh, I know this. No problem. I know these people. I know how they are. It's not about nationality. Do you understand? It's a social thing. It's nothing to do with the color, with the language.

You see, it's just one thing behind this level of education and level of where you are in a society only

basically you see and growing like that you're not kind of looking at the world

like with a surprise like why my god happened you know why it happened yeah it's all these consequences you know Looking at the world with a surprise, like, why did it happen? You know why it happened. It's all these consequences. And you understand what does it mean, social equality,

these things and where it's coming from. And sometimes people blame society, but actually it's not so much society as your own desire to go somewhere. At least it was related to me directly. And I was not on the side of drunks. I didn't drink these things. I participated in fightings with street things. You can't avoid this. When it's one street to another goes, yes, you go to the dangerous part. And many people

gone, whom I knew at that time. But you have to be very conscious and you have very sharp perception in fighting and without any boxing schools you know how to fight basically and know who is a dangerous and the most dangerous in fighting quiet people yeah they're not talking shit they're not pushing they're not saying get back they're not doing any of that

yeah no you're coming and you see that guy quiet guy almost with a friendly

face this is the trouble coming from so it's very interesting experience

but I was lucky. I kind of had the good desire to go into sport. And track and field, my love was, but in that city, track and field, nobody was developing. So I needed to go to the cross-country ski, where it was a very good school, top-level school, and high-level coach who decided to teach people and give them best. You know, we get for free equipment, you understand, there's gyms, skis, all these things you understand it's yeah that was the social part of the soviet union that you go to the that school you get free equipment which you're using you know so i spent quite long time with the cross- skiing. Never become a good one, you know.

But I got lots of experience, good health, and good company with people whom I work with, and good teachers, obviously. But my love to track and field still was like burning coils, you know, like inside me. And in two last years in high school, I made a radical decision. I started training myself in track and field,

in high jumping. Do you understand? Yeah. And I was so devoted and so driving guy that my head teacher in my school, in physical culture, he respected this me, that my desire and my drive and he gave me key from the gym i could come anytime there and put mats over there myself and jump

nobody else were you so so did you were you able to enter competitions as the only track and field athlete from your school? Yes. My school record is still there. But you were the only one doing it, right? So you could have been dead last and you still would have the school record. It's correct. It's like homeschooling. You're the homeschool champion.

The point is that my record is still there. A few years ago, I visited this. you're the home school champion but Kyle the point is that my record's still there I was a few years ago I visited this and on and now there's an actual team in the records still my records

over there in high jumping long jump it's my records you understand nobody and that city record

still mine wow from 1969 oh yeah so if you understand people

kind of they respect that kind of drive you have they see that you're

sincere and when I in high school last year in high school

I become our republic Chuvash republic champion in high school last year in high school I became our republic, Chuvash Republic champion in high jumping I got full respect from everyone for my drive you know but the point is that probably

my love to high jumping I still play in my high school team in basketball because of my jumping. I was one of the best players in my high school. But basketball I love, but high jumping was favorite, complete favorite. I was so crazy that I would go with my friends and with girls and I would jump to some leaves, some branches, touch it.

They are like, you're a crazy guy. I'm like, yeah, I am. And I wanted so much to be a tall guy, but my heritage was not favorable for me you know i when i look at you with your height oh my goodness my son probably pick up my jeans like in my desire and now he's 6'2", you know, and I'm 5'8". So that driving thing drive me to the university in the special faculty with physical culture, physical education and sport.

I came as a track and field athlete and it was in the capital of our republic. I was in a small city, and 80 kilometers, I don't know when, 80 kilometers from my city, it was a capital city, Cheboksary,

where I got into the faculty and started my studies there. And at that time, everything started turning much faster. It was a kind of tipping point for everything, you know. It was so interesting for me to study all of these things, what I study in a faculty, like biology, anatomy, physiology, psychology, and all those things, and plus all disciplines in sports. Obviously, I trained for track and field, high jumping. And on the second year in university, I understood that I really wanted to go to science. My physiology teacher, an incredibly intelligent man, he told me, yeah, you have good potential

there. He told me, I inspire you. And he gave me lots of advice and I started studying physiology, not by the textbooks for our faculty, but by the textbooks for medical universities. So much higher level. So obviously, it gave me lots of pluses of knowledge. And I become one of the best students. And I finished with an honor diploma, you know,

all best records on these things. But it was just very interesting for me. You know, it's. Yeah, it was your passion. So it didn't feel like work. It was not work,

not laboring, none. It was just so much interesting to entering to the philosophy and psychology and the physiology on different levels. And I told you, I started studying biomechanics beyond my course at that time. So I studied, I traveled a lot at this time because I was already in my university team and my republic team. So I spent lots of time on training camps during winter. We were on the south part with warm, you know, like black sea region with much warmer temperatures in our place. But it didn't affect

my study because I would take my textbooks with me and all people were like, are you crazy? I'm like, no. I just want to read this study. So

study of this didn't make me feel kind of difficult, you know, it was easy. It was kind of a harmonical combination of my drive in sports and my studies as a teacher but science already was like very much in my horizon was I I didn't think of

myself as a teacher more as a scientist you see in the second year in university it's happened

I become teacher later on in cinematography because I got diploma and I passed through these things. But science was driving force, besides high jumping itself. And my results were growing. During this time, many discoveries happened, obviously. My curiosity was incredibly painful for myself,

because what I was wondering about, it didn't exist in science. This is how I wanted to be in the best places where I could study science. And I found that place, which I later entered into. It was a founder of Soviet Union high jumping school, Professor Dyachkov, top level guy. I mean, his intelligence is remarkable. He finished architecture university, but at the same time he finished physical culture and sports university too you know he was a incredible guy many times uh soviet union record holder in polvold jumping but he jumped um high jumping as well but not so well as polo but high jumping was his passion you know and

that allows him to produce that school it's still alive you see and students. I entered to his post-graduate studies, in Russia we call aspirantura, it's like PhD studies, in 1976. And he died, unfortunately, in January 1981, you know. But I spent enough years in connection with him to understand what this man was. He was an athlete, teacher, and scientist, you know. And his name was dead in Russian in English it could be translated like grandpa his nickname

was you know incredibly intelligent man I got from him usually he kind of was blaming because he was in Moscow, because it's a central institute of sports, like science studies in sports, VNIK in college, All Russian Science Institute of Sports, you know, and I was a student of this place.

And he usually was kind of blaming us provincials who come to me like, you provincials have no idea what general system theory is, you know, like what is cybernetics? You should read. He didn't know that I already started to read this. And I was smiling. I am already there, you know, and many things like that. But he was a top-level guy, you know, in the Soviet Union,

sports science field. And and it gave me a tremendous foundation for my development so career goes like that i finished my university with the only diploma to the u.s army for one year it's oblig obligation but because I had the university diploma, I had only one year there. And plus, because I was an elite athlete, I was in the sport division.

I didn't carry a duty of soldier. I was training there, basically, in one place in Kazan. You know,

it was a top tank officers' preparation like a university almost. It's called Uchilishi, but I don't know how to translate it exactly. Top officers. Guderian, German general, tank army armies field marshal finishes that place

you know, he studied in this tank university in Kazan you know they were very proud so one year I was just there, training, performing for army and

it was cool I had a few times like a release to my family I was early married guy you know I fall in love with my lady in the first year in university she was from foreign languages faculty and we hook up and this year we got married very quickly

no fool around at age 22 I was boom, you know. And when I finished university, I got my first child, you know. We had four, we have four, but the first child was born, so no full run. But I spent one year in the army, came back, my daughter grew up, and I was invited back to the faculty, work back in the same faculty as what's called assistant teacher in track and field.

First two years, I was a track and field coach. Not coach, teacher. And was a coach of our team, university team as well. But I still was performing. You understand?

It's a funny thing. I was still performing as a high jumper. But at that time, I got my crisis in this case. Because when you're teaching people, right, it's a responsibility. You have to teach them good, that they would pass exams and different kind of tests and so on. And I was teaching this, and I'm thinking, damn, actually, I don't know how to teach. Do you understand?

Like, after these four years of studies on a diploma, going through the science I'm realizing at that time that actually I have no idea how to teach what teaching should be in my head as a whole global thing

actually was far away from what I thought it should be. You see? And I understood that teaching in our field was basically, it's a matter of experience, traditions. This is what the American sport is based on. But not real teaching. No method. Particularly in events, you know, basically teaching people, do like that.

Why like that? Copy me, copy that elite guy, you know, something like you see michael phelps swimming swimming swim like him in high jumping like him you you should jump like the white stones it's american names you know or fosbury richard fos unfortunately, he left this world last year. Incredible man. The flop. Yeah, flop, you know. Very interesting thing about him.

I wanted to meet him, and I didn't get a chance, unfortunately. I asked many people to set up a meeting with him. It never happened, unfortunately. I consider that what he jumped, his own technique, not just Fosbury technique, flop, but how he jumped, it's still standard, top-level standard. No one in the world is jumping like him it doesn't matter that people jump 20 centimeters higher like javier sotomayor in the world record his technique still the best you you know it's like when people talk about technique and running, for example, I'm like, well, guys, they think modern time, like best run. No. Look back. Pao Nurmi. I'm sorry. He was because I study these things. And Emil Zatopek, for example, as well as a standard.

But nobody understands at the time what a standard is. And nobody even thinks about this. What people thought about running? Oh, just run. When I sent my book Pause Method to legend, Australian legend, Herb Elliott, it's an sense for me. But in our time, we didn't think how to run. We just run. That is an epitome

of all of this. You see, because everyone agreed, like, with the understanding running, like, it's natural. But what's behind natural, nobody give a damn. You know, I just think, it what's behind natural, nobody gives a damn. It's individual.

Okay, natural, individual, where you can go, and the next one is lucky. Because this is how people think. If it's natural, individual, why the hell are so many injuries there? That question should be raised and I raised for myself, but nobody else done at that time. So, journey continues. I got, at that time, this crisis.

I start thinking, as a teacher, I'm completely unsatisfied with how I teach. Do you understand? It's like internal burning thing, like shame. And I start thinking, you know? And in this case, I would consider myself lucky one,

you know, just incredibly lucky one. It's two years of this burning condition, like that, going through the different kind of studies like i study ballet i was like again i had friends ballet dancers you know i was invited to the rehearsals i saw how they do these things i read books about ballet and when i'm reading books, they have just five basic positions over there, you know. The whole ballet is based on five positions, you know. It kind of dropped in my mind something, which later on came up with this name. I was studying karate, martial arts, and again, my teacher was a local guy, lawyer, but he had 10 black dams on that Kyushin Kai style.

I got tremendous. I was a good street fighter, but there I got skill. Yeah, a little bit more technique yeah right so but that burning question

of method I'm reading through the textbooks method no method of teaching you know

real method no matter how people call this method but method as a way of doing this didn't exist. So in one October day, so it's very close, soon it will be, interesting thing, it will be 46 years of that point. Wow.

All right. It's exactly how old my younger daughter, because she was born this year that's why I remember well in October day I was coming back from another painful experience of my teaching students

and because my track place, track stadium and my apartment building where I live in the center of, very close to university, was very closed. And I was going back home under the drizzling rain, you know, and I think, what the hell is that? And suddenly that moment happening, you know, like, poof, like that. It came, name, you understand? Name.

And name was pose. It's kind of suddenly like enlightenment, you know, like, oh my goodness, it's so really simple. It's just a pose what defines everything. In any movement, we're just moving through the incredible amount of different poses,

but among that so many unaccountable poses, exist key poses which define this movement, and we recognize by these poses what event is that like is it best baseball football basketball just a pose and you know what is it high jumping everything you know but my point was what we can feel obviously i wanted and suddenly I understood how I should build, how to teach high jump, how to teach long jump,

triple jump, how to teach javelin throwing, disc throwing, shot put, and running. And running in this case was easy one because it was only one pose. And high jumping three, and long, basically running plus two, three and so on. I just run to my assistant guy and start dictate for him. He was like on this machines, you know, like typewriter yeah three pages original text you know pose method

I still couldn't find in my files this original text you know so many people ask me about this

I couldn't find it because it was yellow pages you know paper you know that

typing machine was a piece of crap. It was three, we put through the copy things, three copies, you know, and I couldn't find one copy. Damn. Yes, and then my wife is a philologist, you know, and she took this printed thing and started criticizing me. First she told, okay, this word in Russian dictionary doesn't exist. It posed me. I got mad

I told I am Greek she argued with me but then she told okay well as a originator

of this you have rights invent this word okay Pozny and then she corrected kind of types mistakes right this word okay pose name and then she corrected kind of types

mistakes right and this born you know in a matter of weeks I start teach pose method

in my university my students who were absolutely different specializations there's

swimmers boxers wrestlers track and field too. And success was just right there. It's become so good that students whom I was teaching at that time, they met me a few years when I visited Russia. They told, Dr. Romanov, I still remember your teaching and I am a wrestler, but I know how to teach hurdles, running hurdles.

I know how to teach jump. I still remember this and I know how to do it. It was the biggest reward for me. And one of my best students among all specialists were boxers and wrestlers. It's an interesting thing. Later I developed for boxers a specific training process for developing... Ten-speed power? Yeah. Cool.

I thought professionals, time to time they invite me, and I'm teaching how to develop punch, the power of punch. So that process became explosive. I was not just happy with developing for track and field. I entered in the cross country ski, in swimming, in gymnastics, whatever I could take my long arms, and penetrate everywhere, you know. And basketball, volleyball, and I was invited by top teams in our city for the soccer, whom I taught running.

Two years, no injuries while I was teaching them. Wow. You see? Basketball players, volleyball players, two years no injuries while I was teaching them you see basketball players volleyball players one of the top teams in what's called

level B in this championship in Soviet Union so I was requested but my track and field

colleagues cannot accept this. It's a funny thing. Well, I mean, that happens in medicine, right? The first guy who figured out that, what was it? Was it in America where they were having the children would come out? You know, the male doctors would go downstairs, they'd start working on cadavers and things like that. They wouldn't wash their hands.

They didn't understand germ theory. They'd come back up, they'd help a mom deliver the baby, and both the mom and the baby would die. That first guy who said, we need to wash our hands, he was fucking outed. This guy's insane. Get out of here. I'm a doctor.

I don't need to wash my hands. Yeah. They went after him. It's many cases like that. But the terminology of objecting these things, for example, a distance running coach would tell me, my colleague, we studied with him together. He would tell me, he knows that I'm a high jumper.

He's like, what? You high jumper will teach like what you high jumper will teach me how to run I would be an obnoxious guy young you know

obnoxious guy like why not no they didn't accept this so I

because I was the head coach of university team in track and field, I started to recruit long distance and middle distance runners under my wing, you know, and start preparing them. And they start beating these guys, you know, they get cranky. Couple of guys started to work with me, you know, and prepared a European medalist in long distance running, you know, but the rest still didn't, up to now, do you understand what I mean? Damn. But most success I got when I moved to the U.S. And triathletes took this really seriously, you know. And then I worked with a few Olympic teams in the U.S., Great Britain, you know, and El Salvador.

I mean, in Russia as well. They invited me last one. They finally realized that, oh, actually, the countryman is doing something good. And they invite me. And I worked with them five years as well, already being a US citizen, you know. Yeah. And I was a foreigner there.

It's a funny thing, you thing. They call me an Australian. Foreigner. So that started and I transferred myself. By that time, I was a high jumper. I got in trouble. I had knee pain. It's a usual thing. It's called high jumpers knee and the different ankles problems.

And pose came and suddenly I in high jumping. Wow. You understand? Yeah. I got my best results at age 33. That's so cool. Being already head coach, senior lecturer in a few disciplines, and then finishing my PhD and being already father father of two at that time, you know. And then I got my best jumps, 10 years, no injuries in high jumping. That is what, and final jump was like seven feet.

I just jumped at this age. But then I was involved so much already in science and teaching and coaching that my performance

started dropping down because I didn't have time. And kids, you know. Kids take a lot of time. Yes. And then my severing was born,

you know. And kind of my Severin was born you know and kind of my last performances was when he was three years

old I holding him like that and I'm staying in I was number three

in the republic my two students were number one number two and I was

still three that's cool and Severin was in my hand like I was still there we have this

picture but he doesn't remember much that he was just a happy boy growing you know so that is

a process you see going on and but more involved with

pose method I wanted to publish. My PhD was in a different direction. It was high jumping. Preparation over there was highest quality jumpers. Preparation to the racing performance. But I wanted to publish poses. I published articles, like booklets and so on.

But I wanted to develop a higher degree on post method. And I came to Moscow to my supervisors and my colleagues, top level, and I showed them this post method. And head coach of the national team, Russian national team at that time, my colleague as well. And they both told me like, it's interesting, but the guy from science particularly told me,

I wouldn't advise you come up with that as a dissertation and go with that. You will be buried alive by authorities. It was so controversial. And I understood, yeah, I have to wait or something, you know. And I didn't start again quickly, immediately after my PhD defense, developed next level dissertation. I said like, okay, probably I will not succeed much.

Even I had interest from colleagues, you know. But at that time, accidentally already, I was already father of four. My older daughter, traveling to the U.S., got acquainted with an American, and he proposed her marriage. And we're like, what's going on? But the guy told, don't worry, I'll take care about you guys like he had money guys

we didn't know this but he told I'll take care like he invited us to US he lived in Miami and he paid for trip for whole family do you understand? Whole family and

settled wedding party in Miami so we were like okay family, do you understand? The whole family. And settled a wedding party in Miami, you see. So we were like, okay. Daughter won't marry him. Kind of, okay. It's another miracle that we got visas from U.S. Embassy for all of us.

I mean, with a child, you know. But we wanted just that exotic Miami experience, you know. My wife, she was already a PhD in English philology at that time. So, highest level, and I was head of the department. She was head of the department in the US as well, only in foreign languages. We settled very much, very well at that time, but the travel for us, we had no idea about moving somewhere, you know. We had a very good life in this case, you know, subtle. Even turbulence of politics was, you understand, this is 90s. It was horrible turbulence in Soviet Union.

It's a drop of Soviet Union and everything broken. But it didn't attach to us. We were university teachers and we were busy with kids. I was busy with sport, science, and so on. But we fly to Miami for a couple weeks of vacation, basically. You know, wedding finished. We're happy. We live there on the beach and all these things. And suddenly my older daughter already married.

And another one who who finished high school at that time, they told, well, if you are coming back, my sister will stay with me here. She doesn't want to go back. And we kind of broke in mind, like a decision, you see, what to do, you know. And son-in-law told, okay, I'll give you lawyers, you know, if you want to stay, please do, you know, if you want to. It was a time when lots of people moved, you know. We were quite in panic, you know. But my wife was a very brave woman, you know.

She speaks freely English, German, you know. Very educated woman. She thought, well, we can try it, you know. At least I have a baby and I have two years of vacation by the Russian rules social rules like she have kind of taking care of baby maternity leave yeah yes officially you know, you know, she said, I have it. So don't worry. Only you.

I told, well, I will probably lose my job. And we start our life in Miami and live there 30 years nonstop. Wow. And again, I didn't know what to do I start from different things like

a constructing worker very skillful with a notch of I feel my English was sucks obviously but I would come work

and my boss with no knowledge at all, just a guy who running things, you know, but uneducated guy would come to me. I'm in the work and I see he is suffering with the back pain, you know, I'm like, Hey, can I help you? Like, can I help you? You, can I help you? He's like, you help me? Like, who the hell are you? He was thinking probably like a Mexican kind of thing. He knew he was Russian, but level, foreigner.

Yeah, foreigner. Right. Not a lot of respect. Yes, right. I'm like, well, let me just try to help you. I see you're suffering. You have pain. He told, oh, well, I will be alive. I'm like, yes, you will be alive.

Boom, half an hour, pain gone. He's like, eyes like that. He's like, who are you? I'm like, I was humbled. I didn't tell who I am before. I just work for 10 bucks per hour. You know, that's it. And I have to open up a little bit, you see.

And I thought, well, I'm an educated guy. You know, I know what this is. He was so much in respect that I saved his back, you know, without going to the hospital. It's the same evening barbecue in my own, in respect to me, you know. So that kind of things. And then somebody, we live in place, somebody told the guy who worked in a rehab place, the physiotherapist, that

we have one Russian guy who has interesting capacity and capability of rehab. So I thought, oh my god, maybe I will get a job, you know, like a rehab guy. I'm coming to this place, it's a very big rehab clinic. He told, what you would tell us about yourself and so on. And I am telling, look, my English sucks. I couldn't tell you anything right now, something smart particularly. Let me just do something for you. If you have a client, your client here, like patient with some pain, and I'll show you how I do it.

And he said, oh, well. He called three more guys to his office, rehab guys, physiotherapists, and one lady, she's from running, you know, both knees in pain and swollen. Couldn't do squat, you know. And I asked them what is the diagnosis, what they did, you know, and checked myself whether that's there. And I understood the diagnosis was wrong, you know, but I didn't tell them this.

It was like, why I should upset them? And I started work with this lady. Я не знал, что это за диагноз, но я не сказал им, почему я должен об этом обмануть. И я начал работать с этой женщиной. И этот парень сказал ему, что я сразу остановлю его, если он чувствует дискомфорт, боль или что-то другое. Мы даем ему эту способность, но я полностью остановлю его сразу, в любом случае. We're giving him this capacity, but you are completely stopping immediately, anytime. Okay. And I start work with this lady, with her niece. And something 25, 35 minutes came through, and she started crying. These guys

jumped on me and thought what did I do that harmed this lady? And she's crying. She saw that they started blocking me. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Let him continue. And they're like, why are you crying? She's like, I'm so happy. No, no, no, no, no, no, let him continue. And they're like, why are you crying? She's like, I'm so happy, no pain. And then she jumped from this therapeutic bed and put shoes on, squat. And then she said, oh my God, I can do squat in no mean. And she jumped on me, hugging me. So it was like, I'm like, oh my God. I got job.

And then this guy said, okay, thank you, Dr. Romanov. See you. I left and came home and then called my son a little. I got very interesting meeting today. Probably I got job. He told, I'm not sure.

And then no call, no call, no call. You see? And I'm calling these guys who knew them and tell, what happened? It seems like very positive meeting was there. And this guy telling, look, I don't want upset you you know but these guys don't want you see any more around my career stop no you fixed her in a day, right? You fixed her in an hour. They want her coming back. It was a funny thing.

But I was really upset, you know, absolutely. For me, it was like, what? You don't want to have someone who will enhance your production? You know? But they were... And then I met these things many times, you know. But at the same time, I met very open and very friendly people who really wanted to help me and invite me to work with them. And one of the cases was the funniest thing, you know.

We got a call to our house. One strange guy calling, like, Bob Beeman, this legend in long jump, who got my name somewhere. I don't know where from he got this. Recommended to this guy who was a director of Junior Olympic Development of USA Triathlon, Kyle Sage, former world-class swimmer, who mentioned that he is a good triathlete

and in swimming he's perfect, you know, bike and running and shit, you know. He told, oh, I'll give you a name and telephone of this guy from Russia. He will help you with that. And he immediately called me, you know. And my wife was like, oh, it's very interesting. You can come and my husband will teach you. Two hours later, this guy appears in our place.

He was so determined. His name, Kyle Sage. It's a legend in our family. Obviously, he become very dear friend of our family, almost like a family member. But it was later. Now he's coming, and I started teaching him through my wife, you know.

He told, well, I got it. Two hours torturing. He went back and told, tomorrow morning I will run half marathon myself where I will be opening director of this half marathon, but I will run myself to check this, what you taught me. If everything goes, I will come back to you again. Okay, we're waiting.

Next day, afternoon, he is driving to our place and telling, I took 20 minutes off from my half marathon I need you we're going to Gainesville in his car drive what for the six hours to gain some from there. And I started work with the junior national team. Yeah. I'm like that. In triathlon. Yes. He was a very proactive guy, you know, he had no prejudice of any kind

because he's a swimmer, you know? Yeah. And he needed running. You know, he wasn't attached to running. Yes. He didn't have any dogma. Right. That's it.

And I started work in 1994. I worked with the junior national team. Two years. Top level performance at that time. Juniors performed. And I got incredible experience. My English become better. And I start to give presentation for runners, clubs, and so on. But majorly, I was involved with this Junior National Team Olympic Junior Development through

Kyle. He took me to the Colorado Springs, introduced me to the director of USA Triathlon, Mr. Locke. And my career in triathlon started very quickly. In 1996, I was invited already because of success with the junior national team, I was invited as a member of USA national team coaches consulting group. You see, it was about 12 people from US., and I was one single foreigner in this group. Very advanced people. Again, most of them didn't have experience with running, so I kind of put fresh blood in this. Head coach at that time, George Dahlem, incredibly intelligent and smart man, and very kind man,

another thing, very rare quality. But this was a man who was listening, and he wrote his first PhD in post-method in the U.S. in the world. You understand? I was a supervisor and participant of this project. And he defends in Albuquerque University, that post-method PhD. Cool. Yes.

Super cool. Yeah. At that time, another guy who was a friend with George Dahlem, national team coach of British Triathlon, Graham Fletcher, was invited to visit Colorado Springs camp where I did presentation for running. He told, listen to him. George told to Graham. George told to Graham.

Graham listened to me. After my lecture, he came to me and told, wow, I wanted to write a PhD and find out different running technique and styles. Now I know that there is no such thing, only pose method. And so I will be writing Paul's method. That's it. In my career, the British National Triathlon team started. Great Britain I was both teams serving

in in the Olympic inaugural Olympic Games in Tratlon in Sydney I was already

in a British national team we traveled to Sydney and I was working with the national

team and I worked with a few guys from this team and I saved let's say like that

careers and essays of a few guys from this team. And I saved, let's say, like that, careers and essays of few guys from British national team. And I taught a bunch of coaches from the Great Britain. So it was a fruitful time. Yeah, that's like, I mean, there's such a long time to incubate and to build mastery and to have it, you know, there's due to where they say science advances one death at a time or one

generation at a time, right? Like there'd just be to be pigeonholed from that. And then you come to a new place and just all of a sudden this flowering takes off and the career takes off. You understand that you meeting people who really open mind and they have no prejudice. They're giving you opportunity immediately. I met, I was fortunate, let's say like that.

Just in any other circumstances, it was drawn back again. Well, opportunity favors the prepared, right? Is that the quote? Probably, yes. You had all the preparation necessary, so when you were in the right place at the right time, you could back it up. And while I continued this journey in developing different kinds of science projects, then after that, Graham defended his PhD in Sheffield University in the Pose Method and a few PhDs.

Right now I have on my belt seven PhDs in the Pose Method, you know, in different directions. It's all like it. And plus I offered cycling pose method and it was written few articles in Brunel University. We developed a project, a science project, very interesting one. And we developed, I was invited to New Zealand to Otago University in Dunedin, way down on the island. In this university, we developed a project in sprinting blocks, starting blocks, a pose method, and rowing very interesting project very successful but nobody took same thing though same concept you're looking for these poses you know that originated in in

seeing the simplicity of ballet and some of these different things right so when the light bulb goes off now you want to apply it everywhere yes right, right. Nature built by the one matrix. Nature doesn't go like... Nature found this and built all around this. Movement built around this matrix. Absolutely for everything. Our body is a matrix

of how we are consuming gravity. This is not about muscles. Gravity is not about muscles. Gravity is not about muscles. Gravity is about your body position. Muscles are serving pose, yes. Muscles serving body weight, yes. But the ruling thing is gravity. And then I would tell you heartwarming stories about this many times, but okay.

In 2007, this happened, this army thing, you know. We got a call from unknown man Captain Blake from 4th seal, which tomorrow we will fly to. And this guy is telling, physiotherapist, he's telling, I heard something about post-mantra and I have this trouble in my settlement, it's like Fort Sill. We have lots of injuries of our soldiers, you know,

and we have no idea how to solve this problem. And somebody told me that you could be guys whom I can be with. We were like, whoo! Yes, we are. Several things, like payment, traveling, everything. We were flying to this Oklahoma area, this unknown, low-ton city, small city. Мы приехали в Аклахома, в неизвестную городскую городскую городскую городскую, но очень большую артиллерийскую силу. Мы были там несколько дней и мы их переселили. transfer them. Do you understand? Transfer. In a month or two,

already we got a call from the same Captain Blake. He told, people start calling me and asking, what the hell are you doing, guys? Because your rate of injury suddenly started going down. Drop some stats on the rate of injury, because

when I took your class, I mean, I have a lot of friends that were in the military, family members, things like that it it made sense to me when you said it but it fucking blew my mind at the same time you know like it it blows my mind how much it costs the military with that so talk a little bit about that because that's unbelievable for most people it's we didn't know these things. Right? And our first attempt was earlier a little bit, but unsuccessful. Our

family friend, four-star general, he kind of heard this talk, Severin talked about these things, and he heard this, he told, he was retired by the time, but for start, general, you know,

he told, I think it will be very useful for U.S. Army, you know, I know these problems, let's go together to Carlisle settlement, you know, where the scientific lab of U.S. Army, you know, and I will be your

guide and your supporter. And we flew to Washington and to Kyiv, Severin, me, and General, I don't want to mention his name right now, but maybe Severin somebody will tell later but incredible fellow intelligent smart good talker I mean good man you know what I can say only about

him and so we flew there his ring opened all the doors people coming to you is ranked, open all the doors. People coming to you. Spending that attention, yeah, everybody. First time we came to the entrance,

and then some kind of guy, like a low-ranked guy coming to our car, like checking our seats. General give him his idea. He just straightened right up. We started laughing because we said, you guys didn't ask who we are. Yeah, no questions now.

Until now, I'm laughing to tears. General was happy with that. We went there, and these guys, because of his rank, they organized for us everything, meetings, everything. They listened to our presentation, but they were boycotting. This science group, which should be serving army, you know, with this help. No, they were busy with their own shit, you know. And they didn't want to be involved because it's not there.

Do you understand the main thing? When we left after that and we went to the hotel and we went to the dinner with him. He said, I'm sorry, guys. I saw the reaction. They basically didn't want... Because it's not there. The problem isn't there, where you guys were at. The problem is that it costs the US Army $500 million a year in running injuries. It's correct, right.

But these guys didn't give a shit about this. Yeah, because it's not their problem, necessarily. And he apologized. I'm told, General, you're not guilty one. You did whatever. You did massive amount for us. But it's not what you can do with these guys you know they're busy with something else so and that call came you know from Charles Blake right now he's a dear friend of us he's a colonel and we're basically promoting him through the years.

In his development he became one of the biggest authorities in his field. Right now he's running hospital in Colombia, army hospital. So this effect was like that. We started to get invitations from all over. We started traveling to the forts. Fort Hood, Fort Stewart, I mean many forts, you know, and we become welcome, you know, because the results were so good, you know. And finally, a few guys who work with us, physiotherapists, who were my students, but Colonel Blake, now Colonel, at that time, Captain well, Fethullah, you know. He's an English guy but become American because he married and his army rank he got in US Army. And then few guys like Angie DePaul from now, which force she's working now, in Tennessee somewhere.

She become colonel as well, you know. Wow. She wrote this PhD on the compartment syndrome treatment in West Point on Poe's method, you know. Incredible effect. No medicine. Two weeks. Yes.

Two weeks, no medicine, no surgery. No compartment syndrome. And now we come back to this injury. I mean, the effect was incredible. So, and Fatwell becomes the head of the group, writing new health and fitness doctrine for US Army. And he involved us, and Paul's method is there now. It's in the manual.

Right. Training manual. It was introduced on the top level in Washington, D.C., on the US Army, whatever, it's top-level guys. And first, when it was introduced, they saw it as a post-method, over there it was taken. Like taken. Name, my name, it's taken. But generals who were supposed to put a stamp on it, told, we know this is a post-method.

We know that Dr. Romanov is there. Why is he not there? So Colonel Fels told, we will put back. And they put my name and several names with gratitude from the US Army. We signed with them this contract. We are giving this as a gift for the US Army. There's no requirement for this for free, forever, if you want to use it. That's it.

This is now the US Army. And now we're flying to Fort Sill again, after so many years back, to do the same thing. Because people now already know what they're waiting for. But one more heartwarming story. In 2016, when I still was working with the Russian team, a coach, who knew scientists from medical, biological science, it's former Soviet Union, but it's Russian, who worked for the space science, and head of this department and this group was an incredible lady, Inessa Kozlovskaya, who was putting the first dog, first man, and so on, in space.

She was a complete authority. And he told someone about the post-method and me, and she told, well, let's do a meeting. In 2016, we had this meeting with her in her office in Moscow. And her assistant, she was 90 years old at that time, and her assistant, professor lady like 50 55 something so she told us okay you guys have 15 minutes with her she's busy we have meetings okay 15 minutes and i told i'm fine absolutely to meet legends like damn it! 15 minutes, I'm happy with that. We're coming to her and start talking.

This lady coming like, hey, Nita. She told, postpone, postpone. Two hours we talked to her. She was so happy. I was so happy. The guy was sitting, was quiet. He didn't interrupt us because ideas, what we came through, she's through science, this labs and science of space, and we came to the same things, you know. I'll tell you just one thing.

She said, yeah, yeah, yeah. I found the interesting thing. All the strength exercise, all this didn't help sustain a very good condition of the cosmonaut in the space when they're year-round there, except only one thing, when they run on the treadmill, the forefoot. Interesting. Because they found the main indicators of that things. That you have gravity, yeah. Here, on the forefoot. Wow. And they build special shoes with a knocking like that, that place, not this, over here here right on the forefoot with the cadence 180

180 steps per minute the magic number yeah I was like probably smiled never left my face

and there are many other things was like she told yes of course pause it's a main thing to interact. And muscles who hold pose are the main muscles.

It was an incredible meeting. She recommended me even to meet NASA guys, because she knew all of them, this lab lab and they had incredible respect to her I called them and they accept my call only because I told it's a NASA as I was never but they again busy with something else you know neurology they didn't understand, again, the same thing, you know. She understood, and even her colleagues not. Do you understand? That is what we are, where we are now, you know.

And we're trying to build up that. I'm writing a few articles on this matter at this point and a couple books on this matter. I have already a general theory of motion. It's published in a very small amount for the university teaching, like helping for textbooks, you know. And I wrote a few books related to the sport, like triathlon, running, but I want more on general theory of movement.

And in the big picture, like how gravity works for us, you in movement in normal life you know not in space here in movement and what we're supposed to do and how we have to teach populations after like your son you know how to move properly because we're missing this we are completely losing this population of people you know with the poor movement and understanding where movement is coming from. You know, there is ignorance with arrogance together, you know. And these muscles, domination, you know, screw up people's understanding where the movement comes from

movement comes from the gravity this is what we're supposed to gravity is our birthplace

and the whole universe is the gravity place this everything runs by

gravity and that simple understanding and thoughts are not yet in a dominating field of science or practice in sport. We're still relying on developing physiology and the muscles, which are products of gravity. If gravity doesn't change, the science goes like that, subject which is placed in the very specific surrounding environment is a product of this environment. If environment doesn't

change, anything in the subject will not change at all. This is the law of development of alive biological organisms. And people want to develop physiology. Gravity worked on it for billions of years, and these idiots want to develop physiology. I call it an article like invariant physiology, you see? We cannot develop physiology. We already developed. Biggest names like English John Bernal in 60s already wrote our evolution, physiological biological evolution finished long time ago

we have no evidence that we continue this evolution and development, you understand so we have to develop something else and what is that and I came to the conclusion that is we have to develop much higher and better relationship with gravity and start

consume gravity more. Our apparatus developed by gravity and could be developed only by the request of the gravity. And how gravity comes as a request in running, for example, it's an angle of falling. We have to develop that falling skill. And then physiology will fit this with no problem. It's called perception of falling in the pose method concept. I love it. That is fantastic.

What a cool and fascinating trajectory. Absolutely mind-blowing. There's a quote that you dropped at the beginning of the seminars that I absolutely love from the 6th century BC. Can you give us that? Chong Zu. It's one of

the contemporaries of Confucius, Lao Zu. And It's one of the contemporaries of Confucius, Lao Tzu. And his quote in English sounds like, I don't know. I love it. It sounds great. Pain is a penalty for violating principles of nature. Pain is the penalty for violating the principles of nature. 600 BC.

Yeah. Absolutely brilliant. 600 BC. Yeah, absolutely brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I think it's easier for me to understand that when I come back into this relationship of the pose. As I move through that and simplify, especially my thought process in running or general movement, it's everywhere too it's not like i got to go for a run to run i warm up in jujitsu while running around the mats we do

you know uh different things at the house we'll hit some walking lunges and some uh jump rope and things like that and then i'm still i'm still leaning forward as i move forward in mma you know if i'm boxing and things like that i I'm falling forward to take my steps. You know, as these principles start to come back to me, general movement improves. Like all of it starts to improve. And things hurt less, a lot less, right? It's a miracle how that works. But all of a sudden, you know, I remember both my wife and I, and she's been a great runner, but she too has had lots of injuries, plantar fasciitis, things like that.

And I ran for the first time in my life without knee pain. And in three hours of working with you guys, I went from running with some general sense of this doesn't feel good to I have no pain in my body. And it's remarkable. It's absolutely remarkable. I've wanted to have you on the show just to be able to beat the drum for the world and get your message out. Where can people follow you?

You have excellent videos online, on Instagram. And of course, if people can make, I highly, highly recommend taking a workshop because odds are, if you don't like running, it's because you've done it incorrectly and you've become hurt from it. And if you could find a way to run correctly you'd probably love running that's my guess you would love it everything what you do right and good you will love it it goes to anything what we

are doing i only add one the quote quote from contemporary guy. It's Lawrence Gonzalez. It's a writer. His book, Deep Survival. Yep, I read it after you told me about it. It's incredible. You remember that quote, nature doesn't adjust to level of your skill. Wisdom. You have to understand. You have to understand.

You have to adjust. Not nature. Nature will not. So about what could enhance people's information, not knowledge, the information about this. My book published in Penguin it's called Running Revolution it's still there

it's on Audible and paperback but I highly recommend the paperback because you actually get to see some of the different poses

and pictures right and that is a big especially if you're a visual learner but it is very important even though I really learn

auditorily when I'm consuming material, I listen to books far more than I read them. But for that one in particular, you need to see these positions that Dr. Romanoff is talking about. I am an old school guy. Hard printing.

I print all the articles that I'm reading, not from a computer. Another book which I print all the articles that I'm reading, not from a computer, I print. And other books which we are offering for people, it's a pose method itself, Dr. Romanoff's Pose Method of Running, or a triathlon book. It's a triathlon event. Cool, and that talks about the pose that you figured out for cycling and swimming.

Yes, right. Okay, very cool. I suck at swimming, so maybe that's what I'll dive into next. Yeah, we have very good results in swimming, particularly. But again, traditional school is rejecting these kind of things, because besides pose methods, there is no method of teaching in swimming. It's just the traditions copied.

I studied this and unfortunately so many smart people cannot accept these things, you know, because of belonging to the paradigm. If you read book, Thomas Kuhn's book, accept these things you know because of belonging to the paradigm if you read

book Thomas Kuhn's book the structure of scientific revolutions you understand what is that about we listen to Graham Hancock

talk about it through geology and any of these people like they're they're living they're living on on on the the status quo

they've built their entire career off of it right this is called paradigm this is what Thomas Kuhn came with. And unfortunately, it's like Max Planck, genius founder of the quantum mechanics, he was writing way back there. All the theories are not dying by itself. They are dying together with their creators.

It's a little bit sad. It's sad but true. This is what we're dealing with unfortunately. Ideas live with people, you know. Even science had incredible people like

Planck, very humble example of a real scientist. He was not sure about his quantum theory until he got Nobel Prize for that.

You understand the level? Charles Darwin didn't publish his study for 20 plus years. Do you understand? He was not sure. You know, it's a real science sign. That guy really, you know, Это настоящий знак, что этот человек действительно не изначально был изначально. Исаак Ньютон был кредитован не сам, а другим людям. Not himself, to other people. Like Galileo, Galilei, and so on. And his famous quote, I saw so far only because I was standing on the shoulders of giants. You see?

That's a real scientist. But he was treasured mostly in England, not for his science, but for the financial system that he created. It's an interesting story to read. He was awarded the highest level when he became the key holder of the monetary funds and create this financial theory and practice as well. Since that time, Great Britain flourished.

Her financial system up to now still lives on that foundation of Isaac Newton. But that's another story. That is another story and another topic. Well, brother, it's been excellent, excellent having you on. It's a treat. I love your sense of humor.

I love the fact that every time I see you, you've got a giant smile on your face and you really are a person that's, you're living your dharma. You're in the thing that you love and you're changing the world. And I appreciate the work that you do brother you smile when you see a very pleasant man who is warming your heart only that makes smile by itself

thank you thank you for inviting me for that very Very interesting place, exotic place. Is it West Texas or East Texas? We're South Texas. That's an interesting place. I hope I will not burn down. The temperature outside is incredible. It's cooled down 10 degrees, so we're good there.

I think if we keep moving on the gator ride, we'll be set. I am living now in a much mild place in this case, you know. So I'm enjoying the weather. Very good. Well, thank you so much. Kyle, my highest appreciation for that talk, which made me feel really good. Thank you.

Absolutely. really good thinking absolutely you