Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #37 Foundation Training

Episode Date: June 11, 2018

Dr. Eric Goodman, Jessie Salas and Dr. Emeka Aludogbu join the show to discuss what Foundation Training entails, the benefits, as well as the endocannabinoid system. Foundation Training on Youtube, Instagram and Facebook Dr. Eric Goodman on Instagram Jessie Salas on Instagram Dr. Emeka Aludogbu on Instagram and Facebook Check out Eric Goodman's books Foundation and True to Form Connect with Kyle Kingsbury on Twitter and on Instagram Get 10% off at Onnit by going to Onnit.com/Podcast              Onnit Twitter        Onnit Instagram

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and and within your own voice because what i did i was like hey this is sal justin and adam and then nobody could correlate the voice with each person so we'll let you guys go around the table starting with doc eric goodman and uh and you guys will be able to match for the listeners that aren't watching on youtube all right thanks kyle i'm dr eric goodman nice to meet you all i'm part of foundation training jesse salas one of the master instructors with foundation training i'm dr emeka aladobo uh sports medicine and also one of the instructors at foundation training there we go so let's let's uh let's jump right in here obviously we want to talk about a number of things here and if we get off topic it's no big deal uh but i've got a couple

things on my radar in particular number one i want to dive deep into foundations training how that's come along how that came to be and you know really as you were mentioning uh to me yesterday when you're working with john wolf and i just how this is really gone from where it started to where it is today and what you plan for the future with it and then we'll take a deep dive in endocannabinoids because that's something that i certainly want to talk about but let's let's start with foundation training how'd you get started in uh this the story is easy the story i wish there was a more interesting story and i guess if you've never fixed yourself for anything it's a pretty interesting story but i had a really bad back and i was in chiropractic school that was 10 years ago i was actually talking with these guys today i graduated chiropractic school 10 years ago april of 2008

that's mind-blowing to me but in that time i was i was about the worst off in my life that i've been i was 27 28 years old i was finishing school and suddenly yeah yeah, thanks. Suddenly I was literally like, I couldn't stand up half the time. I would get out of a chair and my, oh, oh, oh, fuck, I can't, can't move. I'm stuck. And as a chiropractor, that was a really scary thing because I was in school to learn how to, how to maintain health, how to help people find health, how to, how to return a body to this alignment and structural integrity. And I want to tell you very clearly that I believe deeply in the ability to do that. I believe deeply in the profession and the education of chiropractic, but I needed a more active approach for my body. And everything is a tool. Nothing stands alone. Something I had to learn along the way. So what foundation training was at the time was a

desperation effort to fix my spine instead of getting a fusion surgery at my L4, L5 vertebra and at my L5 S1 vertebra where the injury is pretty severe. My L5 S1 is one in the same bone now and L4, L5. Did you, is it just degenerative or did you actually have like a car accident? No, I fell off a lot of things. I played a lot of sports when i was young and i was i weight lifted quite a lot when i was younger from 14 to about 26 when i realized i was i was beating myself up pretty bad um i was a water polo player i was a swimmer i was a hockey player i i skated i was an inline rollerblader which you know i don't tell anybody that that's all right i wear a fanny pack as long as i don't have both of them on at the same time i think i get a pass yeah right like

you're one of the other man you grow up at 37 and you realize that who you were helped you become who you are and and all those injuries came from who i was and i'm proud of who i was and i was good at what i did too and that's why i got hurt a lot because I was pushing the envelope pretty heavily within myself and I trained for it and the training for it created a pattern in my spine that I'm still trying to undo today and I and I'm pretty far along as you guys have felt in your own bodies there's some power in there the foundation training poses can change your your structure a little bit if you do them long enough. What I did find, though, is that without that active component, I couldn't get better. I was literally at the mercy of whatever doctor or therapist was working on me. And my back just wasn't getting any better. And

I was really frustrated. And there's times in life where you don't want to be yourself. And that was one of those times. And I was stuck in that mindset and that body for a good three, four years. It was interesting. I really believe that posture that mindset and that body for a good three, four years. It was interesting. I really believe that posture and mindset have a lot to do with each other. I'm not sure if it's chicken or the egg first, but posture and mindset really have a lot to do with each other, it seems. And at that time, I was extremely depressed and extremely anxious about my life. And I had failed my chiropractic boards the first time I took them. And then I failed my chiropractic boards the second time I took them. And then I failed my chiropractic boards the second time I took them and my back hurt really bad. And I happened to be the team doctor for the U.S. Olympic water polo team. I was in quite a predicament mentally. I was succeeding on the

outside and I was failing miserably, literally from the inside out. I had no structural integrity, but I had a lot of like mental integrity. I was not willing to fold. I was going to keep trying. And I kept keep trying. I kept on trying. I was like, I was, you know, I've heard of that David Goggins guy, you know, he like beat himself to death. I was the opposite, man. I like, I was like, you can do this, man. You're going to be okay. You can get through this. You don't have to fight through it, but you got to get through it. And you got to find ways to enjoy getting through it. And exercise stimulates the body really nicely. And you get to enjoy getting through stressful times with exercise. And my exercises started to look extremely specific because I could not do other exercises without hurting my spine. So all of my exercises started to utilize this hip joint hinge motion, which I

had learned many times. You learn it in kettlebells. You learn it in any healthy Olympic weightlifting. You learn it in any healthy motion. You learn how to hip hinge, but nobody ever broke it down for me properly. Nobody ever told me that that front to back hip hinge is the product of several spiraling muscle chains that need to be accordingly tensioned and understood. And you have to become very sensitive to how your body is holding its weight through those chains if you want to have any real chance of getting through life without much physical pain. And foundation training is my personal best representation of that. It makes sense for my body, which as it turns out, a lot of people have bodies similar to mine that, you know, they stand on two legs, they have arms, they have a torso that needs to learn how to be stable,

not just at the abdomen, but at the entire circumference and depth and height of the torso. And that's what I teach people now. And the cool thing is foundation training now represents this like coming to confidence in my life because over 10 years, I became a very different version of myself, extremely prideful now, extremely proud. I'm excited to interact with people because I get to show them something that I don't think they've ever seen before. And oftentimes it helps them. So in that time, I passed my boards and I became a licensed chiropractor, which was a very big thing for me. I did that in 2013. And I still carry licenses in Colorado, California, and Hawaii, because those are my favorite places to go. And I've started to design this life much like I started to design my spine, which was my life is

going to be based in health and teaching people health for as long as I can possibly keep it that way. And foundation training is that. That is exactly what our business is. It is hopefully going to remain a business because that's certainly a goal. But more than that, it's an idea that I hope perpetuates health in as many people as find it. And then I get to meet guys like Emeka and guys like Jesse. And I've known both these guys for a while. I've known Jesse since I was 19 years old. And I've known Emeka for what, five, six years now? Rough, something like that. And these are really talented guys. And what I have found is that the better I get at helping my own body, the more talented people I get to surround myself with. And genuinely talented,

deep down. They want to learn more. They want to know more. It's just this endless curiosity that we all have kind of within us. And you literally have to work every day to get it out. For some people, it's physical. For some people, it's mental. It's breathing, whatever it is. You got to find that recipe that gets out your sense of charisma, sense of self, sense of pride, sense of confidence. And you got to practice that shit as often as you can. But you need direction and you need to understand it hell yeah yeah i think that there's a general idea that we have on not only wanting to fix people and and improve health and that's usually founded in our own fucked up bodies right we decide like oh this is important to me

because we reach a state of crisis and then from there through our knowledge and learning on how to heal ourselves that's something we want to share with the world i think it's important but something that's forgotten in that is we're the best version of ourselves when we're healthy and happy and we're not in pain you know like that just not only improves your own quality of life but improves all your fucking relationships how you are as a dad or a mom or a sister or brother or a friend or a co-worker it's all improved when we feel better i believe that and i believe like everything else in life there's an extreme that that can reach in which the altruism becomes selfishness where you're doing it because you want to be the best

version of yourself to to serve yourself but also to serve those that you love, to be helpful, to be useful. This is a balance I'm walking a lot these days. I have a young baby daughter and I have a wife and I'm really trying to figure out how can I be useful. That piece of you changes with a young baby. You got to figure out how you can stay useful within your family. So I think there's a point in which exercise is, so you got to do it every day i really believe in that but you can't only do that you have to like health comes from society it comes from interactions it comes from a sense of of being able to help people in whatever way you can help people like that's health it's not just how fast can you run or how much weight can

you lift that is a big part of it but there's this big picture of what a healthy human being looks like in life and it's it's a it's there's so many pieces to that and i i just want like when i see people out there saying my thing's this my thing's that it's like your thing is a piece of a puzzle if you're lucky if you're lucky it's a piece of a healthy puzzle but it's a puzzle and everybody's puzzle looks different and there's so many there's so many pieces you just got to get you have to stay super curious about how can i make myself a little better not i have to become better how can i make myself a little better and answer that question as honestly as you can and that seems to be like oh yeah i dig that so jesse how'd you get in get involved well he he uh brought the snake oil over

no i i was um i was a firefighter in the city of orlando i was on a technical rescue unit living my dream and life was amazing and went from olympic weightlifting and really pushing what my idea health at the time was, which is the stronger I was, the more, um, the war, the more weight I could move, the better I was gonna be as a fireman. You know, we, we came off the unit and we'd be carrying ladders, saws, air packs, special rigs, because we focused when we got to fires was safeguarding a building to get the guys out if they got into trouble. And then if we could not overcommit, we'd search for people. So we'd go to a lot of things, dive rescue. And in my journey, I went back to BJJ and third class back in.

I'm loving it. Third class in, tore my MCL. And so him and my sister were dating at the time. I called her for help. Doc Goodman. Doc Goodman, yep. People don't know who him is. People don't know who him is.

That's right. Damn it. So Doc Goodman and my sister are just starting a date. And let me just clarify, we were buddies in college first. That's why I always have to tell everybody. He introduced me to his sister, which I appreciate dearly. You got the green light. You got the green light.

Yeah. I gave him the guy. He likes to surf. He's in. I got someone to surf with. But he jumped on the phone and was kind of like, let me let me help you with your injuries. Hey, bro, I appreciate but it's not my back, it's my knee. And he gave me a convincing speech. So I flew out to California

and started doing foundation training. And it was like, for me, it was the challenge that I got with when I would train or coach Olympic weightlifting. And again, at the local level, I never took it to a platform, but, uh, you know, it was a mental challenge. It was so much involved with being able to deliver the work properly. And when it came to coaching that, I was like, wow, this is a whole different animal. And you would get in a position and it was, I always quote Wim Hof as feelings, understanding, because people look at it as a passive thing. The number of times firemen dry hump me when I came back doing the work, because they'd see me in the founder position and they'd run up and grab me by the hips, you know, like any frat house. And, you know, then they started trying it and they got hooked. And, you know, I just, I saw what it was doing for me. It was like the missing link in my training.

And I pushed into it pretty hard and yeah the rest is history next i know um you know i'm getting getting presented with these scenarios to travel and teach with eric surfing the world and kind of living this other dream that i always said when i retire i'll do that i never thought i would not be a fireman i started on 17 years old and here i'm at 35 walking away. And it was one of the hardest decisions I made, but I knew in my heart it was the right decision because it allowed me to see what I did locally with my, you know, the guys that I were mentors and close family to like a global scale. So that was the big decision-making process, but here I am. And

I don't regret it. I talk to the guys all the time. I miss firefighting. You know, I miss a job. I hear two guys from my unit pulled somebody out the other day and give me the details. Give me the rundown. Where was the fire? Where'd you go in? How, you know, at flash two guys, their gears melt. I mean, you know, these guys aren't talking about being firemen and sitting at some, you know, retirement station. These guys are, are, you know, living this job and they're passionate about it. They're out teaching it. And, you know, when I connect with them, it, that's what I miss, you know, I miss that part, but I know my path's gone different. So, you know, it's, it's a, it's a privilege to live one dream and get to start the next chapter of this story as

watching people and how they respond when you do this work with them. You know, and it's, you know, I feel like it's, I get to inspire in a different way and it's really, really, um, just amazing what the work does. Watching you guys yesterday, watching everybody, you know, some of the toughest guys out there. And when you get them to drop their guard and and just give it a shot it's just the light bulb i always say it was the oh shit moment where they feel it and you can see it in them and then it's like they can't get enough you know so it's fun it's it's just a fun journey for me and life's meant to be fun so that's what i'm doing oh yeah yeah one thing i was surprised

with was not that it was effective but how fast it worked like john and i were like oh fuck like we held that position for 10 15 seconds did a second round of it walked around and it was total shift in the body you know just immediate and obviously that takes time it's not like you do fucking 30 seconds of anything and you're healed for life but the fact that it could change something that quickly in that short amount of time that's something i'm always gearing towards is the one thing people don't have is time right so what are the most effective things we can do to change our bodies to change our mind state that can happen the quickest you know that's why i like a five minute cold bath as opposed to an hour-long sauna you know like if i can if i have a choice of one or the other i'm gonna do the five minute cold bath there's no question same thing goes you know you really read a book like relaxing to stretch

like pavel and he's literally teaching you how to get comfortable stretching for 45 minutes in the same position it's a 45 minute fucking stretch like i'm not setting aside time for 45 minutes yeah i got my fucking workout what do you mean I'm going to stretch for 45 minutes? What can I say? I got to support certain things because some people will. And if you do my work or our work for 45 minutes, you're going to shake. It's a different process. If you're stretching a ligament or a tendon, eventually both, you're doing something different to the body. You're creating some relaxing.

You're creating an oxytocin release. You're creating a relaxation deep at like a hormonal hormonal level i'm not saying it's good or bad that's not my place i understand my work i don't really understand other people's as well but there's a shitload of people out there that want to know how to stretch for 45 minutes in one position and they should know that information should be there for them you know it's not going to break them some people there's going to be there for them you know it's not going to break them some people there's going to be there's going to be critics of everything but that's okay that nobody gets by doing anything interesting without critics and pavel has done

some tremendously interesting things i love pavel don't get me wrong i absolutely love him i've learned a lot from him uh quite a bit from you know but certainly you know when it comes to these things i guess i guess what i'm talking about is even if I'm going to devote that kind of time to it, I want payoff quicker. Well, and that's the point I want to talk to you is that I love stretching and I do it in a meditative state. And I do it in a sense of connecting with my body and I'll put, you know, my breathing mask on. I focus on how my breath is going and set the timer. And just when that goes off, I'm there. But for bang for the buck, like I was telling Eric yesterday, I got up yesterday morning when we got, you know,

I got in the night before I got up and immediately I'm going to train, you know, I got goals I'm focused on. So I went upstairs. I'm like, man, my back's tight. It's tight. Like I'm going, okay, so you need to forego your initial plan and start with foundation training. So I do the work and then, you know, Turkish get ups and treadmill i do the work and then you know turkish get-ups and treadmill work swam and then go downstairs i'm like it's it's still tight i've okay you're you're half-assing this put the tabata timer on focused on two you know two exercises it was done it was gone and that's what i tell a lot of my friends is like the effectiveness once you know how to do this stuff, a Tabata is generally all

I need. And I enjoy doing other movements before surfing. I have a whole foundation routine I follow. Hip, focus on hip leading the way and everything. So much rotation and surfing. But when I'm going, things feel out of whack. And I think that the work helps you make those connections, recognizing that, man, I'm tight. Okay, well, if I do this exercise, it's going to dress it,

being able to kind of zero in and just apply the recipe, you know, and it doesn't, I mean, four minutes, 20 seconds on 10 seconds rest, two exercises and got up. I'm like, boom, done. You know, but if I go into my explanation of other people is like, yeah, I'm addressing that, but I'm also teaching my body to connect. I'm teaching it to work as an efficient system that when I go into this movement, I'm getting everything working together as a coordinated system, just like my kettlebell swing. I want to know that when I surf or swing my kettlebell, this whole thing's connecting to deliver the best possible swing at every moment. When I'm going into my turn, everything's connecting. i'm not dumping into my messed up knee so you know i i just go back to the the immediate is amazing but the overall picture is just you know it's it's i feel like

it's hard for me to talk to you now that it's my full career because oh you're just trying to sell us on it when i was a fireman hey look i'm a fireman i don't care if you do it it works for us but you know um when you play with it the rabbit hole gets deep and then you see whatever other physical endeavor you take on suddenly start getting better. You know, and I only talk from personal experience and the close friends that, you know, do their sports and they do it competitively. And they're like, bro, that's, that's a must. Firemen, when I talk about the first responder program, they're like, bro, we want to see this in every fire department. We're trying, actively pushing it to departments that are just neighboring because they work together.

Because they saw, they've saved, you know, guys talking about saving careers. James Gearing, who has a podcast, what, behind the shield, you know, he's got an amazing story, his back injuries. And then, you know, a lot of guys know the work, they still tweak their back and then they go, it's my fault, I wasn't doing the work. I could have prevented it. You know, because a lot of guys, well, you're not supposed to and then they go it's my fault i wasn't doing the work i could have prevented it you know because a lot of guys well you're not supposed to get hurt you're not supposed to have a bad back it's you're not bomb proof you have the tools to help prevent it but at the end of the day if i pull a shit deadlift i know i can still get hurt even if i know everything to set up correctly so you know it's getting kind of getting through to people on that part but it's powerful you know yeah well let's get let's get a mecca in this conversation

we've probably gotten 20 minutes without him oh man um uh first and foremost man thank you this is fucking amazing by the way you can actually curse on the fucking radio you know we got it um so anyways i was uh i met eric about five years ago and as a young doctor um i was one of the students that got picked out um well actually let me rewind that so there's a gentleman that i know eric and i both know together by the name of Dr. Tim Brown. Well-known, well-respected in our field and in any other field, to be honest with you, because of the amount of work that he does. And the guy's just a very, very, very sharp sports medicine chiropractor.

Tim and I connected. And then there were some things Tim put me through, tested my knowledge, and gave me an opportunity to come out to his house. I treated Tim. Tim loved what I did for him. And he invited me out to this yearly event called the – first of all, he kept saying, this is the guy I want you to meet. This is the guy I want you to meet. His name is Eric, man.

He does a lot of stuff. I think you like what he does, man. All right. He's like, okay, okay, okay. All right. Whenever the time comes, I'll meet this guy. Okay? I get it so we went to uh so a year later there's a an event that he usually puts on he has a sports medicine team with all disciplines um acupuncturists massage therapists pts dos

the whole nine he has everybody in every discipline because they have that much respect for this guy and the things that he does and what he's done in the surfing world um so there was that competition you know the u.s open surfing competition in manhattan california so and i remember um our first meeting um you know eric was there and all the other guys were around too and eric was explaining his work and and showing some of the stuff that he was doing. And I was looking at this stuff like, what the hell is this, man? Is this yoga?

I'm confused, right? But from a student, as a student, I know no better. I'm still learning. I'm still understanding. I'm still watching the people who have been doing this for quite some time and developing my own understanding as to what it is that I feel will be my own best interest in using uh moving forward so i tapped it and eric was you know explaining to uh mary dr america collins at the time and then he was uh explaining

to another guy then and then i tapped eric i said hey can you show me some of this stuff and he was so busy rampantly doing what he was doing he He's just like, hey, just sit down, just chime in and follow. I was like, okay, cool. Shut up, kid. I'll take a seat. Crutch is at the end. You know? So, you know, at the time, I'm just a sponge.

I want to soak it all in. I want to learn. I'm eager, you know, I'm hungry trying to figure it out. So I get on the ground and I started doing all the stuff he's doing. And it was really, it was different in the sense doing. And it was really, it was, it was different in the sense that I, you think it's yoga, but the amount of contractility and

amount of position that you have to put yourself in when you can't do that as you, myself, and everyone in here as athletes, there's just like this competitive mental side of you. Like, are you kidding me? I can't put myself in that position. Oh no, no, no, no, no. So it became an internal battle as to why can I not do that? Even knowing how much weight I've been able to lift, how many people I went across and when I played ball and even in fights, you know what I'm saying?

So it was just like, it was weird to me. I couldn't understand why I couldn't put my body in this contorted position. I'm only using my body. And it was just something that sparked me to just chase it and figure out exactly what it was. So fast forward on, I got Eric's contact and I was just on him figuring out where he was at, where he was going to be next. Hey, I need to figure out so eric says hey you know what just come out um come out for a weekend and do some instructor stuff just just let's listen in and and you know it'll be thursday friday saturday you'll learn it

you'll you'll understand and i was like okay cool so i drove out to santa barbara i stayed out one of my buddies house the four days and dude it was a game changer for me like my first day of doing a because an instructor certification you're there four days so you're becoming an instructor so you're with you're getting put through the ringer you know it's just like a workout right your body hasn't done something these types of intricate movements with these intrinsic muscles your body your body hasn't learned how to breathe your body hasn't learned how to hold these position while breathing which is one of the things that we take for granted nowadays right no one knows how to really expand

rib cages no one knows how to really expand muscles in the back even in the deep back to allow that flaring to happen a conscious breath you know and and when you're there and as i'm taking it through the days i'm feeling all kinds of kinks and i go home that night i'm like i don't know if i'm going back tomorrow literally i was i felt wide and big but i also felt like any movement that i did it was it was painful i I was like, bending, breathing. Oh, what is this? It was different. Best way that I can put it, it was different, but it wasn't limiting. It was good different. And I knew that there was something in me that wanted more, but I didn't know why I wanted to go back because it was hurting. But I went back the second day um the second day wasn't

as detrimental as the first obviously but now i'm starting to get used to it by the end of the fourth day it became a lifestyle for me um fast forward my mother um who's had debilitating back pain and the reason why it ties all in is because my white coat ceremony she came out to see me and i had already learned the gone through the instructor course and now i'm i'm to the point where i'm getting into clinic right i'm starting to see patients now i only have about a year and a half to graduate from chiropractic school and my mother and i uh she'd always carry these bags of medication since the days i can remember and i'm talking prescriptions upon prescriptions you know the bot the doctors told her she had debilitating back pain and something that she'd

have to deal with for the rest of her life my mother she's she's fit um and does you know it does active she's very active entrepreneur um the reason who really gives me all my inspiration and to see the amount of medicine that she would walk around with was just weird i didn't understand it so when she came to my white coat ceremony that day um i got a chance to do some stuff with her just some soft tissue then i got her into some of the exercises just the active holds um active positions i taught her the founder i taught her the standard knee compression um then i taught her to stand a little bit and go into a deeper hinge to actually include her back just certain simple things that i knew i had already learned right because now i'm at the

point where my my knowledge is a little bit more advanced in the musculoskeletal system i understand the nervous system a lot more i'm going to be seeing patients so i better know this shit you know so i got my mother to do these poses she goes home um a week later she calls me up and she says i don't know if you have uh the magic hands from god but the pain that i've been feeling for the last 10 years i haven't felt it. And it's been a week. And that to me, like tied all the, it tied all together. I said, okay, I'm in. And it's a profound story to me. And it's a powerful story to me because I don't come from a family of medicine.

I don't, I come from poverty. I don't come from educated you know uh generation of understanding what medicine is what to do what to say no to you know so to me it was something that i knew and i have a very big family i mean i have 63 first cousins not he you know he married that no no no my mother's side of the family was 13 of them my size my dad's side of the seven six of them each each each couple didn't have any less than six kids wow so i got family all over the place you know so um but we as as vast i would say the new millennials we have a little bit more education and the things that we understand now. Nigeria is my background.

I am from Nigeria. But us, in our generation, we have a little bit more education. We have a lot more health-conscious individuals within our generation. But the one prior to us, that's not what they grew up on. And so for them, all they know is,

okay, I'm going to go into the MD. Not to say anything about MD. I don't want to get into this bout of you know what i mean it turned into a battle because we all know what how that could go down so going in that office but not having the knowledge to ask questions as to what is this why where who what to further understand for themselves as to how they can further and better their lives because that's all they know and so when you get into this uh this idea and it becomes a will that just keeps turning what happens it spins over to the next generation so on and so forth at that at a point in time you have to cut

it short and say yeah really i don't think you know certainly i know the argument that you're trying to avoid but but we anybody fucking looking from the outside in can say whatever model of health that we're running right now is not working and it hasn't been working it has not been working and it's not going to fix its fucking self with the current model so we really do have to start looking at what what is health what does that mean to us and empowering people you know with practices like foundation training with with any practice that gets people moving in the right direction feeling what it means to be human again you know and not having to rely heavily on

something that'll get you by but doesn't fix you right for the rest of your life you know just just go ahead just uh just the the the the from the transition of knowing what she took or what she gained from that and how many years of things that she could have known what how much could i have saved her who's to say you know but it's just now to say okay well this might not be your answer but this is a solution Now we can actually move forward on, and maybe we don't have to go and dabble in, and she doesn't have to continue this regimen that she's already used to. And so I think that's what really changed.

I haven't taken a medication since 2009, or 2008, actually, 10 years. Not even Advil. Yeah. Yeah. I remember getting off Advil not great not great stuff every smart athlete every smart athlete has both gone through the time when they take shitload of advil you know 800 milligrams a day minimum up to 16 up to 2400 milligrams a day some people crazy amounts that's 16 pills i think or something like that 12 pills so you can't just rely and this is this is this ain't just for pain you can't rely

on somebody else in life to make you feel good and luckily you know we kind of come with everything we need for the most part i i will accept that some people don't and i and i wish they did but most do and if you just train the skill of being yourself consciously, meaning not like consciously, but like consciously, this is where, okay, this is what I'm doing right now. This moment, here's where I am in space. Here's where my feet are. Here's where my shoulders are. Here's where my head is. I'm not in my phone. I'm not thinking 10 years ahead or 10 years behind. I'm just here. There is a tremendous physicality to that, that I think a lot of people are lacking. And I think one of the biggest defining factors in our society's lack of health is not the school

of thought it comes from. Who cares? Information is widely available. You can go find it. It's the individual autonomy involved. I'm going to talk so my i have a couple brother-in-laws but one of them is ryan forest my sister's husband the really intelligent uh psychotherapist and he he gave me a really good understanding of something called locus of control which redefined what i believe i do for a living in a way because what i used to think I did was I thought I got people out of pain, which is an extremely like, that's one of our problems with medicine is we actually think we do something.

We facilitate, we help, we remove impedance, things like that. But you teach a human body their capacity to heal one way or another, be it through chemistry or surgery or a simple lack of that human's body to heal and they don't get better but the practice of that is a shift in locus of control the shift in okay i feel crappy what am i going to do what's that guy do what's that guy do he seems better what's he he's breathing

pretty deep he's that guy runs every morning that guy takes ice baths i can do that you know what i don't want to do it today i'm going to do it today that's a practice right there when you do it you shift your locus of control from external to internal and you become autonomous for your health at least one degree closer you know every time you don't make that decision you're allowing your autonomy to to be sort of removed it's still an autonomous decision lazinessiness or giving in or however you want to think of it to just kind of that, as Rogan says, your inner bitch. That's true. We all have it in various forms. And each time you give in, you're feeding a system that doesn't support you. And each time you don't give in, you fight whatever your fight is, and you get a little

better. You make yourself feel a little better without chemistry, or at least without exogenous chemistry outside the body stuff, you're literally developing the skill of autonomy, which is probably the most important human skill, is the ability to understand what's happening in your body just a little bit, to be sensitive to what's happening in your body just a little bit, and to take that translation and do something about it or feed into it if it's the right thing. And sensitivity is at the heart and core of our dis-health as Westerners. And it's spreading around the world. It's not just us. It's not just anybody. It's human beings as a species are indulgent because of

dopamine and other chemicals and we're not bigger than that we're we're silly little monkeys we're bags of fucking chemicals right ken is what's that well we are we are but they also they also tied into fun to fungi and they also tie into the incredible aqueous water-based environment that we somehow make solid and give personalities to and ambulate and move around what the fuck is going on i get why people believe in god because there's just no explanation for why the human being exists as it does but it does and we do and we have to start being a little bit better about how we use the gifts that we have because they're gifts in my more recent book i i kind of give a gentle and i only give it gently because i don't understand it that well give me the title true to form true yeah it's called true to form and

if you want to understand my theory on respiration and posture and biomechanics that is that is it's 95 of it the other five percent we got to meet in person because there's a couple twists and turns that i just can't explain and i'm not saying they're gonna they're gonna be amazing it's just a little it gives you that extra completion into understanding what foundation training is which is a very interesting thing great way to hook people in yeah i got you for 95 of the give in my book and then you gotta come to come meet me for the other. If you meet me in person, you're going to realize that 95% of it is, is pretty easy to learn.

But the 5% that you can't learn can become deeply impactful in time, but you don't need it for the first several years. You guys can go learn from my books. I have free YouTube videos. How cool is that? Yeah, man, we were sitting out there with lance armstrong

and uh harpreet from aura ring which makes a the best fucking tracker sleep tracker activity tracker on the planet no affiliation they're not a sponsor so lay off uh but yeah um you know lance is using their product i aubrey and i've been using it for a long time greenfield got us set up with those guys but yeah before before you guys showed up for the podcast lance was like uh he was asking me how much time i had and i was like well i got a i got a podcast with duck goodman and a couple of his buddies and and uh he was like dude he sent me a 10 minute video a long time ago and i still use it and i was like no shit he's like yeah i love it and I was like, no shit. He's like, yeah, I love it. And I was like, man, that's crazy. But I, I had first seen you with the video you did with Dr. Joe Mercola, who I'm a big fan of. And it was old school. I mean, he busted out a chair and all sorts of

shit. And Mercola was just himself. I think getting back into training, starting to figure out low carb diets, you know, and the sprint eight protocol protocol which i still use actually the life hack of the week on it it's a badass just a 30 seconds all out 90 seconds active recovery for eight rounds it's a 22 minute workout but bang for your buck right and there's a ton of science that shows how that affects telomere length for longevity human growth hormone secretion deep sleep the whole nine but i've been a fan of mercola's for a long time and and he was blown away by your work so you've been on my radar for a while it is it is a treat having you guys out here thank you really is that that video that i did for lance as i just shared with him i haven't seen lance

in several years um won't go there but seeing him you guys have a falling out no no no no not at all give me the details oh you know what i'll you know what i'm gonna give you the details because they're not bad details at all the only person it would reflect poorly on is me and i'm fine nothing reflects poorly on me anymore i feel like i've done a good job with what i had and continue to i'll be the judge of that that's fine but with lance i always felt that i didn't know him well enough for him to write the forward to my book. And he wrote that because my partner at the time, Peter Park, who's still a very dear friend of mine was training Lance for a long time. My role was to give him a really simple, Hey dude, your back hurts when you ride your bike and you're trying to go to the tour de France,

that's going to be a problem. So here's a video that's about 10 minutes long, 11 minutes long that you can follow. And that video is on youtube and it has been on youtube for about five years or so six years and it has like almost three million views now and still making money from the youtube no i don't make money from youtube i never did that no no but don't don't i don't want you to watch like 10 cents and if and just so you guys know wrong with collecting paycheck from youtube come on if somebody puts that dreams oh mecca's got people the same age. The next YouTube sensation.

No, and I get it. It made a career for me. If I'm honest, like I'd say that my first book came out. Thanks to Lance's endorsement and maybe a couple other people. Casey Wasserman was a big, helpful guy in that.

I don't, these are guys that I, these were guys that were not my network. But I had this gentleman, Peter Park, who's one of the best trainers on the planet. I call him the best trainer on the planet, but I haven't seen the whole planet. But in my opinion, he's the best trainer on the planet. He is. And his capacity to see something from his lens that was so full, he saw something in foundation training before anybody did. Anybody. And I introduced it to a lot of people when I was in my late 20s. And he was the first that really let me show him what it was and didn't have an ego about it, even though he was the only one that probably should have had an ego about it. So Lance came through Peter,

wrote me an amazing forward to my first book that became a pretty solid book. It's called Foundation and it did really well. And it gave me a career and it helped people that otherwise never would have found my work find it and that platform started because of that silly video I made for Lance and that moment out there was very validating because I thought he didn't give a shit you know I thought he's like I'm gonna just write this forward I don't care who are you whatever he didn't give a shit. I thought he's like, oh, I'm going to just write this forward. I don't care. Who are you? Whatever. I didn't know him well enough. I had only met with him a couple of times. I did a few workouts with him. I taught him some stuff and he seemed to

really like it. So that was very validating out there. That was just a cool random circumstance. I didn't know he'd be here or anything like that. Honestly, I can't even realize he, I'm surprised you recognized me. That was kind of cool. But that's the thing. This work wasn't, I didn't develop this work because I thought it would help people. I was forced into this against my will by my spine. And I've been restructuring my spine for many, many years, 10 years now.

And it's starting to feel better and better. I can't believe what I'm doing. I can't believe that I'm doing. I can't believe that I'm able to surf the way I'm able to surf and play the way I'm able to play and do whatever weightlifting I really want to do and keep up with whoever I want to keep up with to a degree. I'm not trying to be a superhero and I'm not an amazing athlete. I'm a decent athlete and I like being that. It's perfectly fine for me. I want to be a decent athlete and a hell of a doctor that's my goal so this stuff comes from a place of a lot of like i don't want to say insecurity we were talking about this stuff yesterday a little bit and i don't want to give you the wrong impression

that i'm an insecure man because i'm really not but i'm also not an overly secure man i'm also not an overly confident you need to try this it's going to change your life forever. And things like that, seeing like along the way for years, I've been getting these confidence boosts first from my own body. And then from the people that started to enter the periphery that had athletic capacities that exceeded mine tremendously. And the work was working for them. Oh, that's kind of cool. Then I put a video out on YouTube and it'll say like first week them oh that's kind of cool then i put a video out on youtube and i'll say like first week a thousand people saw it then five thousand twenty fifty thousand hundred thousand two million oh what the people want to get better and i'm going to segue a little bit if you don't mind segue yeah segue away sorry man i'm used to talk i usually

when i do podcasts and stuff i'm talking to like like, I mean, I've done a lot of cool ones with like some really cool guys, but like it's, it's, this is a different platform that actually allows me to be much more myself. This is the environment I grew up in and have played in my whole life. My friends have always been firefighters and athletes, and I happened to have become a doctor because I was broken and I needed to learn how to fix myself. So all of this kind of segues into this idea that right now the biggest issue that the entire world is contending with, other than those contending with famine and starvation, maybe, is we're dying as we look for relief for chronic pains and basic chronic symptoms like anxieties

and depressions that can feel heavy. I have felt my back make me think that I am going to die. I can't move. And I've been in that position for weeks. I've been on the floor where somebody had to help me up for weeks. Not anymore. I was back in my 20s. In my 30s, I never had that happen. My back went out once about a year ago, almost a year ago, and it took me 24 hours to get it back on track. And it was bad, but it took me 24 hours to get it solid back on track because now I know how to do it. As the world looks for relief, if you have any option that people can try, you have to teach them the option. You have to. Because right now, their options are chemicals. And for some people, that's the right option.

But it's passive and it shifts your locus of control from inside of you to outside of you. And you then have a major vulnerability to become the victim of addiction. Because your locus of control is no longer inside of you. You're not making autonomous decisions anymore. Your brain is acting on impulse instead of integrity. And our culture has become based upon impulse because our dopamine stimulation our reward center goes unchallenged and unchecked and

The segue is what I know you want to talk about There is a system within our bodies Because we're mammals not because of any other reason and it this system has existed for significantly longer than we have as human beings. It's called the mammalian endogenous cannabinoid system. There's a plant named after it, or it's named after a plant. The plant has probably been around longer, but we just found out that cannabis has all these amazing effects on the body. And great, great. You can smoke this thing and you can eat this thing and you can take this tincture and there's these effects, but that's not the interesting part. The interesting part is that this strange substance grows and then it has identical receptors spread through two major regions of the human body. And the only interesting thing about cannabis

is that it can stimulate this system. Now, it comes from a hemp plant, which is incredibly interesting and can sustain life for a lot of cultures. But the truly interesting medicinal part of cannabis comes in that it stimulates our endogenous cannabinoid system, which has the capacity to mediate our immune system, our hormonal system, the endocrine system it has the capacity to regulate so many things including a biggie is a biggie it competes with dopamine when your body says i love this it feels good it goes dopamine squirt some scientists can explain that better

but it's accurate i like dopamine dopamine ski you get a dopamine language you get a dopamine ski when pleasure comes from an outside source or an inside source and that needs to be competed with if you're trying to break addiction if you're trying to break a pattern you need dopamine to stop responding to the pattern you're trying to break. Endogenous cannabinoids that can be fed through things like omega-6 fatty acids, particularly arachidonic acid, which is found in avocados, pumpkin seeds, really well-fed meats. It's not about just arachidonic acid. It's the ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 to omega-9 fatty acids. And there's so many other components to that that are just as important. But what's important is that you're taking in enough of the healthy fats to feed that system so that when you're trying to get better, the system that gets you better has fuel to be

stimulated without outside sources. And this is a little bit of a confusing topic, and I understand that. But the takeaway is really simple. The takeaway is that right now, if you go and Google and search things like Project CBD, Normal, and Understand, Normal is spelled N-O-R-M-L. And ProjectCBD is.org, not.com. Thank you. If you look at these things, you have the capacity to shift your locus of control internally when it comes to the debate about marijuana i don't want to tell you what's right or wrong that's not for me to do i've done my research proudly and i stand firmly in the way of anybody telling me that it's bad for me or bad for them unless their lifestyle is bad for them if your lifestyle is bad for you that's a

pattern of addiction too you got to break out of that oddly there's no there's no supplement that fixes a shitty diet no there's no there's no nootropic or amount of caffeine that counters not sleeping enough you know they're consistently and chronically right there's one bad night of sleep it's not going to fuck you for the week but at the same time if anything that's chronic you know one cheat meal turns into twice a week turns into three days a week you got an issue right yeah and and certainly when we talk about uh the cannabinoid system endogenously produced through eating avocados and good stuff and running and doing different things that's the next thing yeah or exogenously taking it in from a plant that's still not going to fix constantly putting your digestive system under stress from eating the problematic food that you don't tolerate well

or just eating too much of a good thing well let's get into that a little bit because what you're saying is 100 right a and for people to understand that the the ecosystem within your gut dictates the degree to which your body is going to produce dopamine and serotonin in the gut, which is the place where most of both of those neurotransmitters are produced. So A, eat well, digest well. My dad says it really well, and I think it's a famous quote. It might not be, but he told it to me the other day, keep your mind open and your guts clean or something like that. You do those two things, that's what it is. keep your mind open and your guts clean or something like that. You do those two things. That's what it is. Keep your mind full and your guts clean. Yeah. And your gut's empty,

something. But what it does is it creates an ecosystem that allows probiotics to healthfully expand, helpfully digest food. The gut is a big mediator through the vagus nerve into the brain of our sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous system. The more often that sympathetic nervous system is stimulated, the more we're going to need to calm down. The more we need to calm down and don't calm down, the more we're going to need exogenous sources to calm us down. The things like ice baths in particular, I love cryogenic stuff, man. I love it. It works incredibly well. If you're in a bad mood or if you're feeling crummy, spend five minutes submerged

up to the shoulders just like and it's not my advice this is and it's not wim hof's advice this is this is human this is a system that responds to cold and the process of responding to cold is an adaptation an acute adaptation and as that adaptation occurs the the hormones of adaptation are secreted to make your body better at handling cold in that moment. And those hormones require support. And that support comes from all these sources that are mediated through the endogenous cannabinoid system. Cryogenics stimulates the use of the endogenous cannabinoid system. Exercise stimulates the use of the endogenous cannabinoid system. Whatates the use of the endogenous cannabinoid system

What you got to know about this system is that it's not just some euphoria Center Euphoria is a piece of it luckily Euphoria comes so that our body tries to use it more It's like a built-in reward system that you have to find your way to Some of the best waves I've ever surfed in my life require like a mile hike because nobody's out there And you want to know why it's so fun because I I hiked a mile out there, even if the waves are mediocre. Your body is designed to respond to stress, not to avoid it, physical and mental. If you get into the habit of not responding to stress, you're basically doing the same thing to

your body as if you're eating poorly and sitting on the couch all day or looking at your phone all day or just resting all day. You're doing something that is unnatural to you and it doesn't stress the systems that need to be stressed so your body doesn't know how to handle stress. And the system that handles stress is the endogenous cannabinoid system. It also mediates neuroplasticity. It also mediates homeostasis. It's the most widely dispersed system in the entire body cb1 receptors the first type are on the entire central nervous system most of the thc for all

your potheads no it's not no it's not not cbd no that's cb1 no this has nothing to do with thc where does thc fit in thc has the capacity to stimulate these receptor sites gotcha they don't lock in no key and they it is lock and key, absolutely. But without THC there, the receptor site still is available to be stimulated by endogenous sources. Correct, I'm talking about exogenously, THC would be the one that fits into CB1.

Yeah, I believe so, because it stimulates the brain. I didn't hear you right, sorry about that. So CB1 is stimulated by THC among other things, but what you got to know about CB1 is that it's central nervous system mostly. This is the interesting part of this system. And if you don't, if you, if you're just going to go play, I want you to understand why you're playing a little bit, because it's really good for you if you do it right. It can change your world. That CB1 receptor system along the center communication system of the body,

the central nervous system is branched out to the peripheral nervous system where all the CB2 receptors are and mostly in immune system cells and sites and tissue. Those immune system sites communicate steadily with the central nervous system and it governs your homeostasis. Not just immune homeostasis, but your immune system is a big tell-all of what your body is doing and how hard it's fighting or not fighting. From that immune system and peripheral nervous system, you also have some of this stuff in digestive tissue. You have it where all neurotransmitters tend to go and it kind of reverse engineers. This endogenous cannabinoid system acts to see what just happened based on the most recent serotonin,

dopamine, acetylcholine secretions. And it looks at it and it's like, okay, so that happened, that happened, that happened. How do we respond to that next time better? Who do I need to pull in to have more support the next time that happens? And it starts pulling it in. And that's the euphoria. That's the change in our physiology. That's going from stress to mitigation of stress. And you know what that feels like? Job well done. Your body's stoked.

Your body feels well because it literally did, it looked at the challenge and it fought it and it won. And that's it, man. We're desensitized and we're just being bitches about things. And we're letting chemistry dictate our personalities and our lives and our values. You know what chemistry is?

It's chemistry. Somebody made it in a lab and decided it was okay for you. Humans are very fallible. Be careful. I'm not saying I'm anti-drug. I'm not saying I'm anti-any pharmaceuticals. I'm not anti-surgery.

I'm not anti-procedure. I think they're wonderful, but you gotta do your due diligence first. If you have a heart attack, I'm not talking to you. If you have a stroke, probably not talking to you either. I'm not talking about major medical issues.

I'm talking about the people that are dying because they're trying to prevent the pain they feel or the depression they feel or the anxiety they feel. And they're not dying because they're killing themselves, although some do. They're dying because the chemistry that they're using is immiscible in the human body it doesn't mix well it creates too much toxic environment when it gets

in and very small doses can kill us terrible situation i want it to get better oh yeah brother so have you guys done much experimentation with uh exogenous cannabinoids i'll take this one i got a year and a half to still go back to being a fireman i can't answer i am happily not drug tested now if i was drug tested the only thing they would ever find in my system is thc they would never only thing they would ever find in my system is THC. They would never find alcohol. They would never find anything else. They would never find anything else because the only thing in the world that I trust is cannabis because I understand how good of a plant that is and I have legitimate experience with it over a 10-year period. I started a little bit when I was around 26, 27, and the habit slowly developed. And it's a habit.

I don't kid anybody. There's habitual formation in the body, but the beautiful thing about cannabis is you can step away from it with pretty much no withdrawal of any kind because it's something that the body accepts willingly and doesn't have to change all that much to accept. You know what happens when you drink alcohol? Your body produces all this alcohol dehydrogenase and holy crap it's like a it's like an on it's a slaughter of alcohol molecules it's aggressive that's why there's issues after it's toxic to the body the body doesn't want it it fights it when cannabis comes in the body receives it accepts it it hits stimulation points that are there to be stimulated and when they're stimulated really good things in the body can happen if you allow them to happen. If you smoke a little pot and eat potato chips and you sit on a couch, you're going to be a lazy piece of crap that day.

Because it's going to keep you in that pattern. You have to be smart. And you have to be moderate. And you have to pay attention. And if it slows you down, you've got to notice it's slowing you down you have to see that you have to it comes down to awareness but i am not i used to be so nervous about my credibility if somebody found out that i smoke pot sometimes and over years i developed a confidence in my own brain and my own knowledge that I started trusting myself and my opinion of it more than those I was hearing from. Because those whose

opinions I trusted, most of them used it too. And they were healthy and they were older. Some of them 30, 40, 50 years older than me into their 70s and 80s and they were healthy. They did not drink. That was the big common theme. They occasionally smoked pot and they ran and they exercised and a lot of them surf and a lot of them swim and a lot of them play music, which is a biggie. Each of these is a neuroplastic potentiator, something that you have to continue learning a pattern in and improving yourself from. They all play within the same system and our bodies develop and adapt in these microcosmic moments due to this incredible system within us and our shortcut and not all shortcuts are good, but our shortcut I'll, I'll, uh, add a little bit to that. Um, you know, I, I think I started learning about the real healing effects of cannabis.

I think this was in 2010. And 2010. That year, 2010 going on 2011 2011, that was the year I finished playing ball. I played at Washington and I declared pro early and I wanted to get out and go try to make it to the NFL. It was a lifelong dream of mine

and things that I wanted to amount and accomplish all just literally rode and died on me going to the NFL. I didn't want to be a doctor. I'll tell you right now. That wasn't my goal.

So anyways, when that whole thing happened, that year, my pops passed away early on, and I blew my Achilles. I was on Denver Broncos radar. I get a call from Ronnie Miles. He was the DB uh he was the uh db coach at the time called me a week out he hadn't known that i tore my achilles at the time caused me up hey mecca you ready uh i got a flight out for you the following saturday for a workout oh man ronnie there's no way i can do this, man. I just blew my Achilles.

And from then onwards, man, it was almost like my world came crashing down because it's like, what the fuck did you do now? All you ever known was just playing ball. Now I wasn't one of those guys that just like gave it all to football and gave nothing to my education. I was, I had it between the years, you know what i mean but i was still one of those guys that if i did something i'm gonna go 150 you know at it no matter what until the wheels fall off and literally you know it didn't fall off but it got cut short um and so from then onwards i went into a really dark deep place in that year um and i went in and obviously i've always already suffering just some subconscious you know demons

that i hadn't even addressed and then i go and i go to the doctor of course i get done with my surgery post-surgery now i'm in a boot and uh the pain is excruciating and i mean i'm all i was on volume i was on oxy i was on naproxen i was on morphine i was on um vicodin i was on um ibuprofen 800 milligrams like seven or eight different medications that I could remember. I can remember. Now, this is the year of all the stuff that I had gone through. Now, mind you, who knows how many other issue I might have suffered in terms of playing football. And if I had any concussions, I can only probably remember one.

But leading up to that, I was given this i was given all this these these medications here okay here's what you need to do in order for you to get free of pain and so i'm taking these medications i feel great i pop a value i feel great so on it became habitual and i found myself losing my personality who i was my roommates my teammates come over they see me coming slumped out on the couch didn't want want to communicate, talk to anybody. Didn't want to do anything. I was just in a world that I didn't know what the hell, where I was. And there was one thing.

A girl I was dating at the time, we started having some issues. And I recognized I would just have no patience. I would just snap without equipment and i have four sisters so it's just like i'm the only boy so i was raised by women and you talked you raise your voice to a woman that's not something that's that's gonna fly in his house you know if one jumps they all jump and so um i started noticing it with my with my ex at the time and i think that was a time when she's like you need to go see you need to go see specialist you need to go see someone i went to the school counselor didn't help and i finally went up to my my doctor and and the the md there at the time i went up to him with the bag

of medication that i had and i said look man take this shit i i don't know what's going on i can't do it anymore it's just to the point where i'm i'm losing who i am and i don't know if it's this or if this this but there is something off and so at that moment he gave me a prescription he said okay go see this lady and it was a naturopath in seattle washington at the time and i went to go see the naturopath and the way that she orchestrated these strands that she gave me was beyond amazing it blew my mind because at the time i i didn't smoke at all because i was an athlete but i didn't knew that you had so many options you know the game is

you had so many options but within that within that moment it was it wasn't just like these options it was just okay this is going to help just, okay, this is going to help you relax your muscles. This is going to help you sleep. This is going to help calm some of those thoughts that you have in. This is going to help you get some activity if you want to move around the house. Okay. So from then on, I took it and I started to medicate. And it took me away from the moment that i was highly medicating under

these heavy drugs that i was having borderline suicidal thoughts to even though i was in a nine out of ten pain all right we got a goal let's go hit it let's go to the pool let's go figure it out you're you're no longer on insurance you you don't have insurance so you this is you and yourself only so you got to go figure it out go do it research i was i would i would get a strand and i would be on a computer researching researching achilles achilles i would i would do the next day i would i would wake up happy the even though the pain was there there was there was a purpose that was that was almost like instilled in me that i had no clue where it came from not could it be the the herb maybe could it be the fact they removed the drugs maybe but who's There was a purpose that was almost like instilled in me that I had no clue where it came from.

Now, could it be the herb? Maybe. Could it be the fact that they removed the drugs? Maybe. But who's to say? If those drugs were there, would I be in the same mindset or would I even have been able to get out of that mindset? And I think what it provided for me was it did help with a lot of the pain that I was having.

It subsided. It didn't take it away, but I could know in my mind, very similar to the endogenous effect that we're talking about, I knew that I could actually know how to mitigate this feeling versus, well, I'm just going to replace it and call it good. And so for me, that was the gateway to understanding a little bit more. And obviously I started to dive in and do my own research. And in school, we had a dissertation that we had to give, kind of like a presentation. And I had three of my former other colleagues. And one of the things that we included in there was the cannabinoids and the the endogenous cannabinoids and how it's helping a lot of these epileptic patients and how it's been helping with

parkinson's and you've seen all our students and some of the other doctors some were putting their nose up and some were actually shaking their head and actually knew that this actually is supportive, that there's research out there. People are doing remarkable research and treating people and showing people that you have control within yourself. You don't necessarily have to stop that pattern of happening. And I just want to touch on what he talked about in pain

and how we always, when we experienced pain, we want to move away from pain and stop pain to a certain extent. It makes sense, but the body loves movement in a chiropractic world. When we adjust, there's a restriction to a certain direction that this bone does not want to go. Well, what do we do? We move it in that direction that it does not want to go.

For some reason, the body wants to stay away from that movement. So what is different in that pain rather than that point where a chiropractor touches your neck and he says, is that tender? Yeah, okay. This is the direction that it doesn't want to go. Versus this person saying, okay, does that movement hurt? Yeah, okay. Well, let's move it. Let's move it in that direction.

Let's get things open. Let's get things really moving. Because only then can you empower them. Only then can they actually know that I don't have to fear that movement again because now i'm empowered to understand how my body really needs what my body really needs to do and what my body really needs to know i think that's just like the big the big meat of it and what we're actually missing in this in this realm man people got to know themselves and a lot of people don't a lot of people go through their whole lives wearing shoes all day every day wear socks when they get home take their shoes off in the shower

put their socks back on or put their socks you know they don't let their feet touch the earth they don't explore outside in nature very often and i'm not saying everybody's got to go be a hippie you don't but you got to get outside because even the mean aggressive types that aren't hippies and i'm not saying all hippies aren't mean and aggressive either. But even like the conservative types need nature. Even the liberal types need nature. Even the tall people need nature. Even the short people need nature. The fat ones and skinny ones too.

The boys, the girls, the ones with one arm, the ones with two arms. I don't care what you are. If you've got a brain and a system, you need nature as often as you can be outside. And that means breathing fresh air when you can, looking at trees and hearing birds every now and then if you can. Those things lend themselves to exactly what Emeka is talking about and what I'm talking about,

which is sensitivity. An animal that is in a cage becomes desensitized to everything that it was otherwise built to do. And we are all experiencing that because we're big, intelligent, but intuitive animals. We have the capacity to grow our intelligence, which is really cool. But some people tend to do that at the compensation of their intuition. And I don't think that has to happen. I think there can be a really nice balance where you can become a very intelligent person and you can play with plant medicines intelligently with the idea that you're going to actively adapt into the person you want to become and you're using this stimulant that feels relaxing because it's relaxing the right tissues and stimulating the right tissues has the capacity to help those micro to almost not help

that's the wrong term to facilitate those micro adaptations to occur. And what I say is feed the system as well as you can, even if you're going to smoke pot, whatever. Feed the system with arachidonic acid to a degree. You don't need a ton, you just need a little bit, but you need to make sure you're not just having omega-3 fats. You need to make sure you're having complete spectrum of fatty acids in your body. You got to eat things like pumpkin seeds. Like if you're not eating pumpkin seeds, go get raw pumpkin seeds. Just eat them. They're good for you. They have lots of fiber. They got lots of fat. They got a little bit of protein, but their microchemistry is unreal. And there's a lot of things like that. And I want people to really explore

why avocados are good for them, why pumpkin seeds are good. I don't want to just tell you. I want you to explore. Go on Google and shift your locus of control from my mouth to your hands you know go figure out some shit because you have a brain too and my job is maybe to guide a little bit same ameka same jesse you know ameka does it in sports medicine beautifully mecca's a team doctor for the nigerian olympic team something he won't tell you but i will jesse's a hell of a firefighter he wasn't just a ordinary guy was we gotta be clear about that what is was was for sure i don't care anymore i don't know yeah yeah i hear you and i appreciate that uh and jesse felt that he could help the community that he fell in love with by being a firefighter by teaching them something to help themselves because a big problem in first responder communities is the same problem in the larger human community, which is some people get it

and take care of themselves, but the vast majority do not. And instead of looking at those that are feeling better and healthier and saying, what do you do? They say, what you're doing is wrong because their cognitive dissonance is shameful and upset with how they're living their life. And they feel that their pattern is too difficult to break. And so instead they fall into judgment and assumption. And it's a pattern all of us get into in different places of our lives. But the more you take care of yourself, the less that happens.

I find that the more somebody is actively taking care of themselves, the less they really care about what's going on around them other than their immediate like family and friends. It really focuses in a healthy perspective to take care of yourself but but it starts with sensitivity man get off your desk get off your computer for a little while get off your phone for a little while even if it's just 20 minutes throw it away from you and go put your

feet in the grass take a few big deep breaths through your nose i hear that's better and just just enjoy the ridiculous amount of physiological processes having to go on at one time for your ridiculous self to exist at that moment it's celestial universal crazy stuff going on and we get to be probably the most interesting beneficiaries of genetics and whatever other biological processes lead to us being human and that being a squirrel and that being a donkey and that being a bird and that being a slug we really we scored you know part of that is is the capacity to feel a lot and i and i just i offer people the the challenge of feeling what you feel and getting through it and if you find yourself drinking a ton or medicating a ton where it's a part of a pattern i really suggest that you just

research the realities of the endogenous cannabinoid system's capacity to break major patterns but more important than that i recommend that you look into the history of opioid chemistry and that opium came from a plant too and that they manipulated that plant so severely that the chemistry now kills people it's so strong it's so concentrated but that's been an endeavor for hundreds of years Bayer medicine came out with I posted this just the other night just because I was I grabbed this a while ago, but it just rang true. A friend of mine had recently passed away from opiate overdose. A lot of people take heroin. But heroin was actually originally brought in by Bayer because

so many people were addicted to morphine. And heroin was the safe alternative. It was an addiction breaker. Obviously, that didn't work very well, and the chemistry has only gotten stronger. There's things out there that are 50 to 100 times stronger and more concentrated than heroin that are literally prescribed. I don't want to overestimate at least tens of thousands of times a day, but probably 50 to 100,000 times a day in America. somebody's getting opiate chemistry that is stronger than the human body desires or needs other than in labor or in major, major, major acute accidents.

They're getting that shit for their ankle sprain or they broke their ankle or they broke their wrist. You know, they're getting Cymbalta. They're getting all these different strong selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors ssri drugs and their brain cannot contend with the chemistry in a normal way it's an influx of weird shit happening to a brain that needs nature some people need it i get that but they're extreme cases they're really extreme cases they are not kids with add they are not kids extreme cases they are not kids with add they are not kids with depression they are not kids with manic depression or bipolar disorder they

are not kids that can't fucking stay still they're kids it's adults making a shitty decision for another person by putting them on chemistry that our brains cannot contend with the addictive patterns of and that's why we're seeing housewives and healthy people dying at a rate that what is typically seen in like homeless populations and populations that have legitimate mental disorders unfortunately but we're seeing those rates you're seeing an acceleration that is starting to lap the communities we would expect to be dying and harming themselves from these drugs they just got lapped by the other community that we thought was intelligent and we thought had their together and was societal norm as they went about their lives but they got addicted to the heaviest

chemistry out there right now and they couldn't they couldn't help themselves and those people need to understand the endogenous cannabinoid system they need to understand locus of control and they need to understand foundation training and i i say that okay brother we went a little bit over but um fucking no sense in cutting it short man that was excellent i'm really happy we got to take a deep dive into that uh find you guys online just check out foundation training.com um you know check out these guys well jesse travels with me very steadily he's he's pretty much teaches more foundation training than just about anybody these days he's out there he's we're good excuse to inspire and share like that's that's been the yeah the joy of it is i think every one of us is really surprised at what we're doing right now

not just that we're talking about something that means a lot to us, but that we're at a place in life. I'm 37. What are you guys, 35 and 32? Yeah. We're kids still. I believe that. And we get to do something, I think, big. I think we're going to do something big. I think we've already started. I think I started the program with foundation training and it took hold in some people's lives. But nobody knows what we're doing now. And what we're doing now is tremendous in comparison to what we did five years ago. And it's about to come out. And as I told you, I just took full ownership of my business for the first time of my life. And I am changing the accessibility of our work to be just significantly more accessible to people.

If we're going to become very successful, it's going to be because hundreds of thousands of people use this work, not because five or 10,000 do. That's not going to cut it anymore. I know that a lot of people know about foundation training, but what they know is so simplified. I want them to understand how much more there is and that this is a course of study for the human body. And it's not the only one. But if you take this one, every other one you take is a this is a course of study for the human body and it's not the only one but if you take this one every other one you take is going to be a lot easier to understand and get through you got to have that basic weight distribution and space around the nervous system and space around the muscles in order for the body to operate as efficiently as it can

and the most interesting thing the correlation between the systems that I've talked about today, biomechanics and biochemistry, is that the places where we need to make the most space for nerves that exit the central nervous system, places we need to make the most space for the torso and the visceral tissue, where the spleen is in particular, where the liver is in particular, where the guts are in particular, the pancreas, the prostate for men, the ovaries for women, where those places are correlate definitively to the ability to hip hinge well, the space to hinge your hips well. That spine, there's a spinal length that the low spine needed in order to do that correctly. Huge amount of CB1 receptors along that central nervous area where you have to make the most space. You have the most CB1 receptors. The more space you make

through biomechanics and exercise, the easier they're stimulated. The more space, the more stimulation comes in exogenously or endogenously. We have a system we can play with. Just learn it. Get it. But if you want to find us you know come to a certification at foundation training come to a workshop um jesse's going to be with jesse at foundation training.com i'm just gonna give him your email yeah instagram email jesse What do you guys do on social media? My tag is sports.dr.mek, and you'll see me on there on my Instagram. I'm located out in Dallas. That's where my office is, and I practice there.

You can check my website out. I have an IV bar, which I do customization IVs for a lot of systemic ailments. You know, talk about blood work. We talk about a lot of the DNA factors and things of that nature. And so we run tests and we try and figure out exactly food sensitivities. All right. What the what what the fuck is the ecosystem look like?

What does your ecosystem look like? You know, all stuff that you're telling that you've been told oh eat this eat that is it really good for you are you really absorbing it and so we do an extensive panel tests to check out um what that person actually needs and then tailor it to if it's supplements obviously we know that is an absorption issue If you have things that are coming back red, yellow, and then we find out, take away those food sensitivities, or rather inform you about those food sensitivities, and then what vitamins that you can take to kind of help supplement some of those pathways that have become wonky

because of this ongoing months and years of eating like shit um and you know if you do if we decide to go in an iv route we also have that um that uh option as well too and then i do a lot of my sports medicine of fascia work there but yeah there's a combination of things in my clinic man so you'll find it really interesting that That's awesome. Hopefully we get some people. Jesse, spelled like a lady with an IE, underscore the nomad. I don't know why my mom and dad gave it with an IE and everyone's like, oh, like a chick. But I always tell people, reach out. I travel a lot and when I'm going to Costa Rica, now I'm doing a workshop down there because connected with another instructor. So if you're wanting wanting to learn you see him in the area like I love coaching I charge but you know I try to be realistic with the region and you know if I'm just talking shop with you it's like

whatever it's fun get to help others firefighters however oh yeah where you at on YouTube and just foundation training actually I think our youtube page is called free foundation training okay and because it's free uh the other stuff's on our website foundation training.com i currently am in oahu my wife and baby and i just moved out to oahu and i'm teaching classes out there i travel a bit but i'll be honest if you're willing to come to oahu i'm going to charge you a hell of a lot less because i don't want to travel as much i got a little girl at home now i really want to be there at least for a good long while. And if you go on my website, you're going to learn just about as much as I'm going to teach you about foundation training. If you really pay attention, if you buy our core elements program, we got a streaming website

that's going to be membership based coming very soon. Just if you buy our programs now, which stoked if you do, I appreciate it. Just know that once we go streaming, you will be grandfathered in to a very low cost rate. And you will get the same amount of money that you spent on Core Elements in the new style. You won't lose any money of any kind and you'll actually get about 10 times the amount of information. Core Elements is a six hour program. It's long it takes you through several months to learn it properly if you learn it you know a lot about foundation training you know it's it's thorough um i hope people buy it but i understand also if

you wait a couple weeks and you see our subscription website come out but that's going to be growing for another month like the really solid version of the issues of the app we're all good well it's been excellent having you guys on a real treat. I appreciate that, man. Thanks for the hospitality. That's awesome, man. Thank you so much, man. Thank you guys for listening to my foundation.

You can check them out at foundation training.com. There's also a wealth of videos on the YouTube, which we'll link to in the show notes for Dr. Goodman and his foundation training principles. We do these podcasts well in advance, so they now have it streaming and available to you for a very low price. You can check out all the great work that he's putting in and all the great content and start to take a deep dive into your own body. Thanks for listening.