Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #372 Astrology, Law, and the Pursuit of Sovereignty w/ Julie Dean Richards

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

Welcoming Julie Dean Richards, who discusses her journey from a tech company researcher to a law graduate and advocate for health freedom. Julie shares her work with renowned legal teams, including for Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and dives into her role as the 'crunchy legal lady,' advocating for holistic health and legal awareness. She introduces her deep interest in astrology, numerology, and energy work, detailing how these esoteric subjects inform her understanding of life's timing and personal destiny. The conversation includes personal anecdotes on parenting, alternative health practices, the power of astrology in planning pivotal life events, and how astrology and legal knowledge can help others.   Connect with Julie here: Julie's Astrological and Quantum brand Lyla Sage: https://lylasage.co/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lylasageofthestars/ Zodiacal Releasing Course: https://courses.lylasage.co/products/courses/view/1172570   Julie's Legal Work: https://crunchylegallady.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crunchy.legal.lady/ Free Bodily Autonomy Guide: https://www.subscribepage.io/z5k0Sh Free Exemption Guide: https://www.subscribepage.io/cZpQZ3     Our Sponsors: - GO to MagicBag.co that is DOT CO, and use code: KKP at checkout! - Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy.  Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. - Organifi's new Shilajit gummies are a game changer. Try them out and get a 20% discount www.organifi.com/KKP Use code KKP for 20% off!   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu  Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App  Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth  Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site   If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!   We always love to hear feedback and are interested in what you want to learn. Reach out to us on social media!

Welcome back to the podcast, everybody. We have an awesome guest today, Julie Dean Richards. I first heard her on Paul Cech's podcast, Living 4D, or formerly Living 4D. It is now Spirit Gym, and we took a deep dive into Paul Cech's Spirit Gym. I'll link to that My Spirit Gym in the show notes here. It's the name of his podcast. It's also the name of his new book. MySpiritGym.com is the name of his new community, which is absolutely

fantastic. I'm a part of that. Check that out. We'll also link to their podcast here in the show notes. If you want more of Julie Neen Richards, this was a great one. She's known online as the crunchy legal lady, where she writes about the intersection of holistic health and the law. She's been lucky to work with some of the most impressive health freedom law firms, including doing research for Bobby Kennedy Jr.'s legal team, Del Bigtree, which we talk about on the show. She's a law graduate as well as an astrologer, numerologist, and energy weaver. That is a hell of a combination.

And it's for sure the first on this podcast where I've gone from legal into astrology. I guarantee this is the first time, only time thus far. She's incredible. She drops a lot of knowledge in here and believe it or not even though I don't talk often about it I believe there's a lot of wisdom and that's why I have guys like Richard Rudd on the podcast who wrote the book Gene Keys I'm also a fan of human design I think we can learn a lot from these things I don't know it well enough to be able to talk about it all the time, but it is something that I find very interesting. And Julie's just an awesome person. She is one of a

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This is so cool. I heard you on Paul Checks. It's funny. I told this story to you right before we got on, but I had missed it. I missed an email, one of the many emails from Paul. And I've got a new assistant. And he was like, hey, Paul sent an email with somebody he's recommended for the podcast. And I was like, absolutely.

Anybody on Living 40, now Spirit Gym, anyone Spirit Gym can come on this podcast. And then to research, went and checked out the page, got into you. And I was like, this is going to be awesome. So I'm super excited that you have a really unique background in law and as well in astrology, numerology, human design. And these are things, you know, from a fitness standpoint that don't necessarily come up in podcasts, but as a, I was director of human optimization at Onnit. And the more I really thought about optimization or like, how do we upregulate our lives? The more stress far beyond the physical, how do I operate better in relationships?

How do I have, how do I communicate better? How do I have a better connection to the divine? All these, you know, gene keys, all this stuff started coming in. I started getting into human design and a bunch of other stuff. So I'm really excited to have you on. Tell us about, you know, your life growing up. What got you into these things? Because they seem kind of distant from each other.

And yet you have a way of threading them, what I think is really cool. Yeah, thanks so much for having me on and for that little intro. And yeah, I do have kind of a diverse background. And if you would ask me, you know, 10 or 20 years ago, if this is where I thought I would be, definitely not where I thought I would be. I grew up in California in a very medicalized family, you know, run of the mill

family. My mom is a nurse. My dad was a medic in the army. He had a small computer company. And then everyone in my family did something in science. Everyone, everyone, mostly medical. And so my contribution to that really was research. So when I went to college, I got this communications degree with a research background. I had been very interested in many cultures. I was an exchange student in Japan for an entire year. So I speak Japanese along with four other languages, which was cool to open my mind to different cultures, the way that different people live. And I had some experience with alternative medicine, even though I didn't

know what it was at the time or what I was even experiencing. So I had a friend who he had some kind of skin condition. He couldn't get it diagnosed. No one knew what it was. But his mother was into what they call body talk, which is basically muscle testing and energy work to help people release things. And that was the only thing that got rid of his skin condition. And he said I needed to talk to his mom, like I needed to do this. And I didn't know why at the time, but I had this session with her and she said, you know, you're holding so much tension in your stomach. You're holding so much stuff there. And she had me do this thing where I, you know, thought about this little energy ball and I pushed it out. And as soon as I pushed that energy ball away, it was like my stomach relaxed for the first time ever in my whole life.

And I realized like, oh, I've been holding all this anxiety in my stomach. But despite those experiences, I kind of had put that all in the background. I was always a spiritual person. I was raised in a religion that has a really deep doctrine and is a brand of Christianity, but it's very different than most Christianity. It actually has like a goddess figure as well. So very different, but it helped kind of like open who I was, open my mind. And I was always really diving into the depths of that. So I go to college, I get this degree in research, I'm fascinated by research. And then I end up working for a giant tech company,

an $8 billion unicorn tech company that, you know, is all they put me in the consulting department to consult on people's studies like Harvard, Yale, Stanford. I worked with Google. I've worked with Amazon. I've worked with tons of these giant companies helping them with their research. And that's when I really got this bird's eye view into, oh my gosh, there are tons of problems in research there are tons there are just so many problems in research problems that I'm seeing problems with actually verifying if people are real in these studies you know problems with the data and how we're fixing the data and I had my own son my first son during the second year I was working at this company. And it really changed

my whole perspective. You know, when I was looking at, I had a sister who started sending me some research. And I decided, okay, I better research all the claims of our federal agencies, all the claims of these people who tell us what is right and what is wrong and what is science and what is not science. And I just found, you know, some of the claims don't have very much standing, very much validity to them. And having seen the way research really works in the real world and how much everything is run by money, I decided to reevaluate my personal life my values my belief system and that's when I felt called to go to law school so I I was it came really strong and at first I didn't know exactly what I was going to do with my law degree or why I was going but I studied it took me a little bit

longer to study and do the LSAT and everything to get into law school. And during that time is really when I started really getting deep into what was happening with the medical industrial complex, what was happening with our food and our environment and all of those kinds of things. And so I went to law school and I learned a lot about how our system works and how the legal system in many ways is very similar to the medical industrial complex. And a lot of these other people, I learned a lot about constitutional law and I was very privileged to work with a medical freedom law firm that is huge. And I know we talked about them. You know them.

You know Aaron Seary and Del Bigtree. He's been on the podcast. But I was very privileged to get to work with them and get to learn a lot through that process. But I always, you know, during my journey to get to law school, I had found astrology and I'd found numerology and I'd found all these deeper things. And those became like my really deep passion. I have such a passion for them. And I think they can help us bless us so much. And they complement everything we do. And so I was working for Aaron and, you know, doing some research, like I told you, doing research for Dell, doing research for RFK Jr. And then feeling like,

okay, but there's kind of a knowledge gap. There's a problem, right? There's a problem of getting from point A to point B. You know, the common person doesn't have this knowledge. They don't have a legal background. They don't have the tools to really propel them and get them to someone like Poppy or get them to someone like Belle or get them to Aaron to work through these things. And most people, they just need a little help, right? Like they just need a little help in their lives. If they had a little more legal background, if they had a little more of each of these things, then they would be able to bridge that gap or we could do a lot more. And so that's when I kind of created a split identity of becoming the crunchy legal lady,

which is all about helping people gain legal tools, breaking down the law and simplifying it for holistic families. And at the same time, using astrology to help people and to, you know, really increase not just the, I guess, the left side of the brain, the logical side of the brain, but to increase the side of the brain that is creative, right? And it's wanting that deeper connection to God and really making a difference. So here I am sitting in the middle and chatting with you. A goal. It's so cool. Yeah. So many things are popping into my mind. I think for me,

you know, but the very first thing we, we, my wife and I were into some out there stuff, you know, and we had, we started working with ayahuasca together when I boxing coach was a medicine man, it would bring us out for traditional sweat lodges and different things like that. And then eventually we, we saw our future together. We saw a son and, um, in all my fears of everything about being a father had come up and I kind of just realized like, that's not mine. That's just what everyone else says. And I was able to just move that away from me.

And a month later we were pregnant with bear and we knew he was going to be a boy and it spent time with him you know talking to him as a soul prior to taking his body and then now he's grown in my wife's belly and the first thing that came up was like do we cut his penis you know and it's something that's so basic i'm i'm i'm circumcised you know it's something that's so basic. I'm circumcised. It was just something so basic. And I was like, as Paul says, is that true? Is it true that that's the healthy thing to do? Is it true that it's the best thing for a kid who can't say anything that's not causing some deep emotional, to surgically remove a part of the body that, that spirit put there on purpose, you know, and we just rabbit holes from there, you know,

it was like, well, what are we going to do? And a lot of my family is background in medicine, not my immediate family, but my dad's the oldest of five. He's, his mom was a nurse, Nana, who just passed away. Um, sister's nurses, uncle is, uncle is a doctor, you know, and all the kids, you know, the smart kids all became doctors. And they're pretty indoctrinated in with the whole camp. And I was reading books from Susan Humphreys, you know, Dissolving Illusions and things like that. There's a whole different world out here. You actually just look at it. You know, if you actually have the, the courage to look in those directions, you can see that, that there's so many things that don't add up. And we got introduced to Dr. Thomas Cowan's work, and I was already a fan of

the Weston A. Price Foundation. So the nourishing tradition book of baby and childcare with him and Sally Fallon Morrell was just a game changer. What are the natural remedies for kids? If we want to raise our kid and keep them healthy without intervention, you know, what's cool is they've kind of run this test side by side with different family members. And our son has had antibiotics once in his nine years, you know,

once I, by the time I was nine, I had at least 10 times, at least 10 courses of antibiotics by the time I was his age. And teeth are healthy. Everything's perfect health. Never had a shot in his life. Perfect health.

Their little girl, four years old. Perfect health. Never had a shot. Never will. And so I think most people don't realize that. And now in our current state, because of Children's Health Affairs, because of guys like Del Bigtree, and because of what happened in 2020, where it was just thrust upon us this giant confrontation decide here you know this is what everyone in the in-group is doing don't be the thin sliver of bad people on the outside of that the government's pushed towards that you know every unpresidential letter you know we hope you get sick we hope you get hurt and stuff like that it was just really mind-blowing to me. But I think now it's more available. Like you look at

the book, Facts on Facts, the Brian Hooker PhD and RFK Jr. from Pillars of Self-Defense. You can see it now, right? We can look at that and say, all right, hindsight's 20-20. What is happening to everybody as they grow up who's on a full schedule of 72 shots? And what is happening to these kids who have none, right? And we just leave the gray area out. We leave the people that have had some and not all, we just leave those guys out, but let's study none versus full and see what that looks like. And you can see, I mean, there's graphs for it. They're remarkably different outcomes than wellness. Definitely. Yeah. And we can, you know, this is a journey that a lot of parents are having to make, you know, a lot of people who never thought they'd have to make this journey are now making this journey. And it's difficult because, like you said, if you can't cultivate your inner voice, if you don't know what is you and what is the world, then you will fall prey to what the world wants you to do, right? What that peer pressure wants you to do. And it is literally everywhere. And I think with my first, I didn't know anything.

Like most people, right? Like most people going in, you know, I think it's amazing that you were able to call Bear in and that you were able to have that experience and learn all of that. And I was in the middle of this stewing pot when my first was born. And, you know, he ended up getting some shots because I didn't know what I know now. You know, I knew enough to I did this work with hypnobir honest, the first time he's ever been to a doctor was really recently. You know, he's four years old. He's never been. And my daughter, I pre-birthed her my first year of law school. So, yeah, yeah, she's awesome.

So cool. Yeah, so cool. And it is interesting to see the differences between the three of them and see the differences between my child who got some and my children who have none. And to see, you know, I've done, I don't want to make this, like, for people who haven't gone down this path or who are struggling, you know, and maybe they have given their kids stuff they wish that they hadn't. It's not over.

Like the journey is not over. You can always heal. And I'm such a big advocate for healing and this idea you can always heal. And I have worked with my son to heal him and to heal his gut and to detox him. And so it's very possible. And he is, you know, super awesome. It's not like he has a, you know, he was lucky not to have any kind of injury happen, but he did have eczema and he did have some issues afterwards, which are pretty common vaccine injury issues and watching him heal. You know, we're just in this space where we are going to see the

difference. No matter what you do, they can't hide it now. Like you will see the difference between functional children who have had less or none of this and children who have had more. You know, we the autism rate is just spiking, you know, all these conditions and issues. And of course, the health, the mental health issues are huge, huge mental health issues. And we see these big differences. I'm actually about to go see Brian. It's funny you talked about it. Yeah, but I'm actually about to go see Brian just in a couple of weeks. So but it's great that people like him are doing the work to be able to show, you know, the differences and to help people have a firm understanding the work to be able to show you know the differences and to help

people have a firm understanding what they can do to prevent issues with their kids yeah i'm not same boat we've got uh one of my best friends has three their oldest had um and then when they noticed some changes they said let's actually start looking into this and um they're almost a couple years older than ours so like that you know we really did once we were on the same page we were on the same page but before that and she has eczema and it can get really bad and there's but that's like a constant i'm always thinking the same way no there is no defeat right like we we have so many methods now and we keep learning about new things whether it's ozone to red light therapy or any of these biohacks that these rich

guys in Austin are using. It's like, well, what is it? What's the real biohack here? Is it sunshine? What, you know, what can we do to actually start to, to bring the very best and, and, and what does it mean to live healthy? You know, like, and I think so much, I had Bruce Lipton on the podcast years ago and,, you know, he wrote The Biology of Belief. He was Joe Dispenza. Before there was a Joe Dispenza. And he really talked about the power of the mind on the epigenetic on-off switches and how much lifestyle matters. But the lifestyle literally starts between your ears.

You know, what are your thoughts creating in your own body? And one of the things that he says is we give our power, we have our power taken from us, not consciously, but whenever you get sick, like the first person who grabs you is not mom or dad. The first person who grabs you is someone in a white lab coat. And they also leave you away from mom to wipe you clean of all the nutrients that are going to sink into your skin. All the probiotic baths that's supposed to dry on your skin before gently flaking off, they're wiping that away. And then if you're lucky, you get to go to mom's boob and search for it. Sometimes dad isn't even in the room, right? There's so many things. It's like, of course. And then anytime you get sick, you go to the guy in the white lab coat. You don't go to mom. You

don't go to nature's medicine cabinet. You don't go to the sun. You don't go to fasting. You don't go to anything that we knew for thousands of years to work. And that power is given away. So it makes sense at a certain point when that's all you know, of course, you got not only see like, what does it look like to be different? What does it look like to walk a different path? But we can start to really ask ourselves, what does it mean to be natural? And what does it mean to live in right relation with our environment and with the world? Yeah, for sure. For sure. Well, I love that you're in with all the same crew. That's so cool. And that's something that you, you know, as the crunchy legal lady lady you're really working on that for people i was blown away you know we left california when the sb 272

went through we're like all right we're out and uh we kind of beat the rush coming to texas you know everybody left in caravans in 2020 but i always laugh about that like we got here early it was awesome but thinking about that i'm i'm I'm looking into starting a school in Apogee that Tim Kennedy and Matt Boudreaux have been on the podcast to discuss. And it's really a Socratic education, all outdoors. And it's so much different from regular school. I don't even know if you'd call it school. But these guys have created these things in California, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. And so there's different things you you got to jump through in different stages

of where you're living, right? So many people stayed in California that I really wondered like, were they able? And he was talking to me about that. Like he's prepared paperwork for Gavin Newsom's goons who went to shut the school down and he just met them in the parking lot and said, hey, I prepared this for you.

Here you go. See you later. And they couldn't do anything, right? And all those kids got to go to school mask-free. All of them got to be outdoors. All of them got to continue to learn and not have a teacher, you know, staring at them where they can't read facial expression.

And it's not to say like, sorry to, of course, sorry to all the kids who didn't get to do that. But just the fact that someone could find the legal workarounds and the ways of protecting those rights of those kids and actually stood up for that, that brings just the ultimate joy to my heart. Yeah. Yeah. It's so important. We need more people to hop on that, right? We need more people to show because there are ways that we can keep our sovereignty. And there are ways that we can guide our children. And there are awesome people you know, that we can keep our sovereignty and, you know, there are ways that we

can guide our, our children. And there are awesome people doing the work. It's just, you know, if you don't have a base knowledge, sometimes you don't know where to go. You know, you don't know where to go, who to go to. A lot of people are floundering. So that's the whole point. That's why I started working with Crutchy Legal Lady and and helping them but I also have found that you know my astrological work it has been such a huge help in this and just helping which sounds crazy that like astrology can help you with law but I have found that astrology really helps people to connect to themselves so they can make the proper decisions for their family, you know, for what they want to do in this life and to find ways around, you know, what they see

as blockages, to find ways that spirit can help them as well as, you know, the legal professional. I love that. What was the, what was your experience like? Because as a mother, you know, like you're the first one to get crapped on by the rest of the family. Who's, you know, got locked in in a certain way. This is the only way don't go that way. I'm sure that was hard. It was hard for my wife and I.

Um, but I'm also wondering too, because, you know, not only did you transition with how you raise your family, but you've really transitioned from a different style of research, you know, like the research that you were working on beforehand to now the research that you're doing with Aaron and these different, you know, big time legal companies that are fighting for freedom and fighting for personal freedom. Talk about that transition. Like what, what shifted you in that? How'd you get tuned into some of the stuff that, you know, the content creators that we're thinking of now, the drummer colors of the world, people like that? Yeah, a lot of it happened, a lot of the shift into really working for, like thinking about freedom and shifting into that whole research world happened in the in-between of working for

this giant company and then going to law school. So a lot of that was during this big shift. And of course, just like for everyone, it starts with Kelly Brogan calls it your big no. It starts with your big no. There's just something that you hit a wall. And for me, I think my big no was finding out all of this information with vaccines, with health. And then it became this giant no for me. And a lot of people, what I find, because I think all of us in your awakening, you know, we have this awakening journey and a lot of people don't talk about, I guess maybe

it's a little bit more common now, but the drop after that, like you awaken, you open your eyes and all of a sudden, oh my gosh, you're so depressed. It's, you know, everything is depressing, like things make you angry. And we see a lot of that angst online. We see a lot of that, you know, staying in that area. And sometimes people stay in that depressed state for a long time. You know, people feel depressed. They feel powerless.

They feel like they can't do anything for a long time. And I think it was during this kind of depressed and angry stage. And when you get into that state, you know, that's when you can't help but like keep doing the deep dive. You have to be in the rabbit hole 24 seven like you are. And then all your friends are like, what are you talking about? Why are we talking about this all the time? You know, you're shifting everything and uh for me you know with my family all being medical professionals uh it was really a drop by drop process it was definitely a drop by drop process and i feel very grateful for what dell and mickey have done and also andy wakefield in creating these beautiful movies that people can watch

and videos and things that are very shareable because people like my dad i was thinking about this like i would tell him something i'd be like dad like your pots and pans are super toxic just so you know like all all this non-stick stuff not helping you at all you know and he'd be like okay whenever but then that movie dark water came out did you ever see that with mark ruffalo yeah the story of figuring all of that out and he watched it and then he was like julie i have to tell you your pots and pans are toxic right like all this stuff is talked about i'm like i know dad i've like been telling you this, but sometimes media can reach people in a way that you talking to someone can't reach people. And it's funny that we're talking about this because, you know,

as a communications major, even when I was working at that tech company, a lot of what I was working on and learning was about organizational communication conflict resolution and in in that tech company you know you're on a team and of course the company I was working for like they think of themselves like they're so scrappy right they're so scrappy which really means like we don't have a real HR team for you so like figure everything out yourself right like we don't have any real resources for you so like figure and um because that, I like became this resident HR human, right? Like I became the resident like conflict resolution person. And like, how do we have these conversations and the communication gal?

And I took that. And during this time, right, I was really put to the test. Can I do what I said I could do? You know, can I resolve my own conflicts and convince my family in a way, you know, that I used to do in my work? And I kind of created this whole course around this about how to talk to people about controversial topics without, you know, getting punched in the face is what I called it. Because it's a real deal. It can really happen when you talk about these tough, this tough stuff. about controversial topics without, you know, getting punched in the face is what I called it, because it's a real deal. It can really happen when you talk about these tough, this tough stuff.

And I, I, you know, the pandemic was actually quite helpful for me in that. And I would really practice starting from common ground. So where do you have common ground? Right. Where did I have common ground with my family? You know, in my family are staunch Republicans. Right. They are staunch Republicans from the beginning. And so knowing that, you know, I could leverage that to help them understand, you know, well, these companies are really taking advantage of us and advantage of taxpayer dollars and advantage of you and advantage. And even if my family, let's say my family was incredibly liberal on the other side. Right. There's something about this common ground of not wanting to be taken advantage of or showing someone how this is hurting you in some way that can help them be more open to possibility, the possibilities of something being difficult. And so for, you know, then 2020 came along and they kind of were easing into it. And luckily, my mom was like a nurse in the 70s and 80s. She's still a nurse now. But when it wasn't a big deal, like vaccines were not as big a deal back then, whether you were vaccinated, you're a kid or not. And my sisters,

who my sister, who's a nurse and her husband were a little bit tougher in this regard, right? Because their indoctrination really started after that when vaccines were a big deal. But starting with that common ground and then 2020 hitting really helped open people's eyes and helped me to show them, hey, this is how this is really affecting you. And now what I said before is really, really affecting you. And so my transition with my family, I took, I don't know what they think about my astrology stuff. Mostly they joke about it. And then they're like, read my chart, tell me everything about myself. They love that. Like they love all those kinds of things. But as far as medical freedom, right, everyone's on the same page. And so for anyone listening that it's hard, you have people you love who are not on the same page with you. Always start with common ground, right? We want to start with common ground and we want to build up.

And the slow game, the long, I know the long game is hard. I know the long game is hard. Because as soon as you start talking about this, you're like, yeah, 1986 and all this stuff. And then let me show you. Yeah, like let me show you all the things right now. We need to talk about it right now. But if you just take drop by drop, right, if people are way more likely to come around, and I do have, I have friends who are doctors who are totally different from me, right? I have friends who are close to me have completely different opinions, but we have been able to find that common ground. And so for me, that made that transition a little more easeful. And, you know, we have to get out of the rabbit hole of the depression and the anger because you're not convincing anyone when you're still in the rabbit hole of depression and anger. And that is the hard part. And that was the biggest transition was getting out of the rabbit hole of depression and anger, even though I felt like

we're thrust back in because right after that, then 2020 happens, right? But I've promised myself like I'm going to try my best, even though I will let myself feel those feelings, to not speak from the place of depression and anger, right? To speak to people from the place of common ground and understanding and uniting together. Because I think that's what's worked with my family. And now my family trusts me, right?

And they trust my opinions and they trust the sources and they love Bobby, right? Like they love Bobby Kennedy and they, you know, love all these people. Because then they watched Dell, you know, because we took it step by step. We did it drop by drop. So that's kind of how it happened for me and my transformation. And I did feel in law school, I'll be 100% honest, in the beginning, I felt very alone. I felt like I was the only one with these opinions. I was the only one who thought these things, who wasn't going to get the shot, who wasn't going to do this. And part of my law school was in the pandemic. Like, so everyone's wearing masks and a girl stands up my first day. This girl stands up and she says, if you don't get the vaccine, if anyone here doesn't get the

vaccine, then I'm going to shame you. And I'm going to make sure you get kicked out of this school if you don't get this shot. And that was my first day. I was like, hello, we're here, right? Like this is the game we're playing. So but, you know, which caused me to feel like I had to hide a little bit. But I think over time, the more that I was authentic to myself and honest. And the more I felt like I had allies, even if the allies didn't go to my school, right? Although I, you know, you find out later, obviously there's tons of us who were not vaccinated. You know, there are tons of little pockets, even though it seems like it's the majority, there are tons of us. You know, that really helped me and it really opened and cleared the way for me to find people who magnetized to me, who wanted to be like me and to find my way through law school to really be able to do the work that I was born to do, you know, in those ways.

Anyway, that was a long explanation. No, that was perfect. That was perfect. It's always, I always, I should have mentioned it beforehand, but anytime it's online, it's so much harder to have like a true back and forth that I love. I love long answers. Like take them as long as you want, stretch it as far as you want. It always comes across better for the digital ones. And that was cool. It was really informative. It made me think, I remember going during 2020, I was like, I'm not going back to California for anything. And then sure enough, Paul invited me out for his 60th birthday. And I stayed at my buddy Cherven's spot down in somewhere nearby in Orange County. He brought me to a restaurant. I was like, I don't want to go to a restaurant, dude, and wear some mask. He's like, no, no, no, no. They had said, you can wear a mask all you want, but you can't come in here with a mask on.

That place stayed open the entire time because there was pockets of sheriffs in orange county that refused to go along with it it's like this place was fully operational no masks the entire pandemic and i was like wow and it's still here and all these people who agree i should be able to eat without a mask they've all been eating here the whole time and now i get to enjoy a meal with them it was awesome and pretty pretty mind-blowing but yeah it is it is very um it's invigorating when you learn there are pockets of people that have that have chosen the same path and um you know maybe quietly have done so but i think that's that is something that i can really relate to let's talk astrology numerology when when you what was really like your tease into it? Did it come from the sect of Christianity that you guys in? Like, where do you start to piece together these things and adopt them for yourselves?

Mine came in layers, but first it was plant medicine. I remember like one night I was in a house and the roof just disappeared. I could see the stars because I was asking when our little daughter was going to be born. And I could see Orion. I was like, oh, that's like March. March is when Orion, you know, the Earth spins. I don't know this, the stars. And like, that's all it gave me.

It didn't tell me this is the star constellation and this is why, but I could see the connection points and viscerally remembered that every connection point we have when we take a body actually does matter. And then I got into human design and I could still couldn't explain astrology but just that there are you know like that to the second you're you're created to the second human body on the exact timeline exact longitude and latitude of the planet but that all has connection points from everything that's in that's in creation and that connection point does matter with how we we articulate our own personality or how we articulate our health and wellness our body we're grabbing

things on the way as we come into being that that have an impact on us and never would have thought that before but again doing human design on my kids it was like mouth on the floor for two hours like holy shit you've never met my. You just described every one of them to a T and they're way different from one another. One's a generator, one's a projector. So many things to get into, but talk about your path getting into it and how you utilize that now. Yeah. Yeah. So it actually happened that I had a friend who at the time I did not know that she was an astrologer. We had just met because of an herbalist retreat, like where we went into the mountains and found medicine and made medicine. It was a really cool experience.

And she basically just whipped out. She said, what time are you born? Right. Like, that's always how the conversation starts. Right. Like, when's your birthday? Oh, what time were you born? Where were you born? Just tell me. You know, for a second. And that's always how the conversation starts, right? Like, oh, when's your birthday? Oh, what time were you born? Where were you born?

Just tell me, you know, for a second. And that's how it started. And she just started telling me everything about myself, similar to your experience, right? She was telling me everything about who I was without knowing me very well. And I was like, okay, I have to know about this. What is this? And as she taught me this system, I was like okay I have to know about this what is this and as she taught me this system I felt like I knew it like there was something about it that was so familiar to me

so familiar to me and I'm actually a reflector in human design so yeah I'm a reflector which is like a very rare type I've never met another reflector in real life ever. So that's exciting. But I think because of that, it helped me take in the information fairly quickly. And astrology, you know, is also a language. It's its own language. And because I'm a linguist, you know, you're just learning this other way of speaking, right?

The language of the stars, the language of spirit in many ways, I think astrology is the language of spirit. And it's not a surprise that every culture that's ever been has some version of astrology. It is not a surprise, right? We all are connected, just like you were talking about. There are points that are so connected when we take these incarnations that make us into who we are and that are so vital for us. So I really learned most of my astrology from her just listening to her. And then, of course, the researcher in me can't help but just do a deep dive into everything. And we, you know, I came back and saw her again the next time.

And I'm like talking about this to her. And she's like, how did you do this? Like, how did you figure out all of this? know in between I was like I don't know I just I love I know the system like I know how this works you know and that of course takes you then deeper into things like human design you know and numerology and how these systems connect and also how they reflect one another they they very much reflect one another. And I guess I would use the term like you can cross check with each of them, right? They're all telling you the same thing. They're just using different modalities to tell you that thing.

The wisdom is there, right? Wisdom is in every place. You just have to find her through, you know, looking at these beautiful systems, you know, these many beautiful systems that we have. So that was like my first take on astrology. And this particular friend is actually a very good astrologer. She has a big following. And she said, I need an offering. You know, I need someone who can. This was all before I went to law school. She said, you know, I need someone who can do like a basic reading for somebody. Just talk about like their sun sign, their moon sign and their rising. And she was like, I think you can do that.

And I was like, I don't know. Do you think I can read for someone? She was like, yeah, of course you can. Like, of course. And so I started working with her. She would send people to me because our calendar was so full. And it was very interesting because when I got to law school and started everything, I found out I was pregnant with our third child, right? Seven weeks into law school,

like here we are. Oh, we're going to have this baby and um I had talked to her just like you were explaining talking to your child's soul before they come you know I had I had talked to her before this she had told me what she wants wanted to be named you know she had told me what she wanted to embody and who she was and um I was like okay that's. I will see you in a few years. You know, I'll see you in 30 years from now. Right. But, you know, surprise, I was wrong. You know, she was like, I told you, you know, I told you I was coming, but I didn feminine. I was living in a giant polarity. Law school is very masculine energy. It's an incredibly masculine energy. What was going on around me in the world was so masculine. And then I was blessed with this tiny feminine body inside my body in this time to embody this feminine energy. And in my chart for people who follow astrology, so I am a cancer son, right? Which is seen as the divine mother. And it's all about,

it's very water. It's very feminine. And, but my moon sign is Capricorn, Capricorn moon. And that's the opposite of cancer. Capricorn is the opposite of cancer. It's very much logical, structural. It's also feminine. Polarity is also feminine, is that wisdom, logical or polar opposite of that cancer. And so I felt those two pieces of me being very cool, you know, a lot about the divine feminine started coming into my life, you know, how to apply these things, how to use these things. And I just felt like I was in this vortex where like I'm reading all these cases and then I'm like listening to all these videos about how to activate the divine feminine inside, you know, and I'm doing these rituals. Right. And then like, OK okay I'm finished with my ritual I have to go like take this test now you know this test about the first amendment and um and uh during that time I feel like astrology and numerology everything really opened up for me everything unfolded for me and I started doing this work more actively for other people and it was that sweet

experience and the free birth with my daughter that just opened up this trust to the universe and this idea that yeah astrology you know is going to be part of your path whether you like it or not you know like it already was but just knowing that this is part of who I was and later kind of having this even this vision about, OK, Julie, we've taken you this far. Like it was necessary to go to law school is necessary to do this work with Aaron and it's necessary to do all of these great things for freedom. But I need you to do something more spiritual. Right. I need you to do something adjacent to this something different than this and um so that's where we are now that my focus has become mostly astrology and I I actually do some really rare techniques uh astrological techniques that people don't talk about including stuff like zodiacal releasing which is all about um finding the peak periods in your life so being able to see when the most important periods are in your life.

And we can actually see with zodiacal releasing when your destiny is being activated. So when spirit is activating your destiny, when you're making those choices, the busier times in your life, and just basically what kinds of periods you're in, which has just opened up. It is frequently accurate. I'm just going just opened up. It is frequently accurate. I'm just going to tell you that. It is frequently accurate, and it will blow people's minds that they do it. But it has helped me understand so much the perfect divine timing of everything.

Everything is divinely timed. Everything has a purpose. Your life has a complete purpose. Your spirit has a purpose. And this kind of knowledge is what people need right now. And they need the lost stuff too, but this kind of knowledge is really what they need right now. That's pretty mind blowing for me to first come into contact with that. And I've had it, you know, if I, if I forget the lesson, it gets retaught to me again and again until I hold the lesson or remember the lesson but we tried for our daughter for five years and she wouldn't come and then boom we're pregnant and she comes I mean all the

astrologically all the planets were next to each other on one side with the moon on the other and she was her name is wolf she was born on a full moon on fourth of July in 2020 during the pandemic and I was like you can't make shit like this up right so that's my birthday that's my that's awesome yeah that's so cool i'm born on a full moon too so that's cool i love super cool so cool yeah it's like they're even in in like that it's just like the the most blunt reminder possible like yeah you can have a plan but there are you know there's there's there's segments and with bear we we witnessed him got to speak to his soul and a month later we had him in the womb so of course i was going to think it'd be a repeat of that and it was the opposite of it and now you

know having a boy and a girl we're kind of like we're good we're good we're good uh and we've always thought we'd have more kids so like if, if it happens, it happens. And, and I feel like just letting, just surrendering that piece is, is rad. You know, it's cool. But I think of, um, to, to your point on the divine timing and how it applies to us, I've had different parts of my life where I knew I was going to, I could feel the acceleration or like, oh, this is going to go for 18 months and then there'll be a peace point. And then you're going to be a new development, you know, things like that. And it is, it is mind blowing when it is that accurate, where you're just like, how, how the fuck can you know this? You know, like that's,

that's what it's like kind of the feeling that I have at times where I'm just like, this is insane. Even, uh, I was telling you about my buddy, uh, Keith Norris, who had predicted something bad was going to happen with Trump, But within 36 hours of the assassination attempt, he recently told me he goes in the next over the next couple of years, I was really going to be me focusing on individuation and moving into me being my own person. And that was without telling him all the changes at work were like, that is literally what has to happen is that's the only move is me to individuate. And he didn't know any of that. I I was like, that's, that's insane to me. You know, that's, it's insane that somebody can can check these things out and there actually is, you know, it's like a what is the, the book?

Damn it. It's for forgetting the book, but they say Maktoub in the book, right? It is written. It is written the alchemist. It is written. And so I think about that always, you're right. It is written it is written the alchemist it is written and so i think about that always you're right it is written so that's so cool and then uh where can people find you to work with you and you're doing stuff like this online i take it yes i am yeah um i have a brand my a brand for astrology is called lila sage um i was partially doing that while i was going through law school and i know you know being an astrologer shouldn't affect your ability to be a lawyer. But, you know, the bar might have other ideas about that. So my astrology brand is called Lila Sage. People can find me on my website, zodiacal releasing. So anyone can learn it. Anyone can learn how their destiny is being activated,

when it is, when the peak periods in their life are. And you can also find me on Instagram at Lila Sage of the stars. And of course at crunchy legal lady too. So, so cool. Well, let's be,

before we go, let's unpack a little bit more of that. Like the course, talk about the course and what that is. So from what i'm hearing is if i was to take your course i would come to understand for myself when these big stretches are going to be what are the big moments and be able to unpack that like i would learn how to do that for myself yeah yeah exactly so zodiacal releasing basically takes your life and it breaks it into different kinds of time period based on your natal chart. So based on your birth chart and your astrology chart.

And it works with the rule of threes. So this idea is you're either in a preparation period, you're in a peak period, or you're in a post period in your life. And it just continues to oscillate and how long the preparation period or peak period lasts is based on your individual birth chart and what's in your birth chart and so you can use this like we can see this with it's very easy to see this in celebrities so like we take someone like robbie robert downey jr who he was an actor for 15 years before he became a legend right like before he became iron man and became this highest paid actor in Hollywood for a while. He was struggling.

He was in this preparation period. He was going in and out of rehab. And then he hit his peak period. And all of a sudden that literally when he hit his peak is when he got asked to play Iron Man. Literally the exact time period. And so he got asked to play Iron Man. Literally the exact time period. And so he gets that role of Iron Man. He becomes the highest paid actor in Hollywood. And he's still in the middle of a big peak in his life.

We can look at this with politics, for example. Like Al Gore and Bush, when they were going against each other in the election. Al Gore was in a peak period in the 90s, but his peak period had just ended. And when Bush announced that he was running for presidency, that's when his peak period started. So who ended up winning the presidency? Well, it ended up being Bush, even though it was a contested presidency, right? In that time with Florida and everything, Bush ends up winning. It's his peak period, right? So we can look at this, you know, it's very clear what happens. And

a peak period is not always the easiest period in your life. For some people, it's very difficult. You know, your peak, what I've seen in people's peaks is that most of the time, it is a period of your life that people will remember so people remember you they'll remember your work you'll live a legacy and then we can actually see this happen even after people die this happens like with Vincent Van Gogh he never got a peak period because he only lived to be 28 and then he killed himself and but when he had his peak period that's when his brother found all his works and started selling them and he became instantly a huge sensation so he became this artist sensation in his peak

period even after he passed away so it's really weird creepily accurate that's crazy not crazy it's so insane and um so peak periods are not always the easiest sometimes they're tough they're not always when you're making the most money, right? Like you're not always making the most money in your peak period. Sometimes you make the most money in your post period because you're getting all the dividends. So like Warren Buffett is a great example. His peak period was when he was building his company, right?

And he was making millions during that time, but not billions. He became a billionaire in his post period because he'd done all the work and he got his dividends afterwards. So but it is a time in your life that is usually very remembered. And it's the time in your life, you know, when you're usually pretty visible, you're more notable and you're very busy, busy, busy, busy. You're always busy in peak period. So we can do this on a grand scale and look at it on a grand scale, like the decades of your life.

But we can also break this down into your year. So we can look at your year and say, oh, these are the peaks in your year. We can break it down to months and say, oh, this is the peak in your month. This is the peak in your week. These are the post period. These are the cycles that you're going through. So people who take my course will be able to completely do this themselves. This is the peak in your week. These are the post periods. These are the cycles that you're going through. So people who take my course will be able to completely do this themselves.

And you'll be able to find other things like when are you going to pivot your career? So when's your career going to totally change? We can find that. We can find when your destiny is being activated. We can find out when the times that will be more challenging for you, the times that will be easier for you. I will tell you, since we kind of talked about beforehand predictive stuff and what's going on with the election and everything this year. Trump is in a building period right now. So he has been building and his period will hit at the beginning of 2025. And Kamala Harris is also,

she's actually in a peak period right now and she started that peak period in 2020 right after she took office. So I can't tell you what that means for both of them. I have some ideas. I actually was able to predict that it would be Kamala Harris running and not Biden running um seven months before the switch happened because of Zodiacal releasing I was able to look at that because Joe Biden he just

had something called the loosing of the bond basically one of those pivots it tells us when you're going to end something finish finish something, switch something. He literally just finished one of those periods. And then he announced he's not going to be running and Kamala would be running. And I had looked at that and said, OK, he's done. Right. He's finished one way or another. He's finished. She's going to be the one running. So you can do lots of amazing things with this. You know, the best thing I think is to help people understand their own timing, right? We can apply this to business, we can apply this to children, clients, but it is helpful to let people see like we can let go. We can let go. You know, we can let the universe do its thing. We don't have to be in charge of everything.

Yeah, that's such a massive, massive, massive piece. And that is one that I continually circle back to from striving, trying, go, go, go, and to just full surrender. We're good. We've got this, you know, and that is something that maybe we all infinitely in the infinite spiral staircase continue to grasp that concept and release it and go too hard and then finally surrender. But yeah, I've always felt guided. I've always been cared for. And I always land on my feet in any situation. Well, I'm super excited to do your course.

I think it'd be really cool. And I hope people listening are into it as well. Yeah, well, thank you. Yeah, thanks for talking about it and giving me a chance to like explore all these avenues with you. It's like amazing to find heart centered humans and connect. So thank you for that. Yeah. Thank you very much. We'll have to run it back when I, when I'm a finishers your course. Yes, sir. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you.