Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #375 Comedy, Creativity, and Connection w/ Brent Pella

Episode Date: October 9, 2024

The podcast episode explores the intertwining of personal and professional growth within the realms of comedy, spirituality, and conscious community living. It features a conversation with comedian Brent Pella, focusing on the impact of transformational experiences, such as plant medicines and festivals, on creativity and personal development. With discussion about relocating to Texas to find a nurturing community, as well as career opportunities in comedy. Alongside, there's an exploration of alternative education, criticizing traditional approaches and advocating for nature-based, curiosity-driven learning.    Connect with Brent here: Instagram Shows Conscious Bro Special   Our Sponsors: - Pique's Nandaka provides sustainable, all-day energy and makes you feel like you’re doing something good for your body! Try Pique and get up to 20% off plus a FREE rechargeable frother and glass beaker when you purchase exclusively at Piquelife.com - If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM.  Go to magbreakthrough.com/kingsbufree and get your bottle of Magnesium Breakthrough for FREE today! - Check out Organifi.com/kkp and grab a Sunrise to Sunset kit to be covered with Red, Green and Gold, with 20% off using code KKP   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu  Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App  Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth  Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site   If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!   We always love to hear feedback and are interested in what you want to learn. Reach out to us on social media!

Brent Pella has become a very good friend of mine. He's absolutely awesome. I actually got him to move here to Texas because of a little prayer I made in a tobacco pipe and blew it up to the heavens, and he found himself in Texas now, which is lovely. He feels like somebody I've known for a long time. I don't know about Soul Brothers and all that jazz,

but he, right from the jump, just had an energy and a humor and a way about him that was attractive and made me want to be around him more and then we found each other at arcadia this last go around and just went fucking ham on the dance floor and that's when i really fell in love with brent uh brent is a is an incredible comedian he's definitely somebody you want to follow on instagram we'll link to all that shit in the show notes he truly is one of the funniest people I know. And he has a background in film, which actually makes sense on why he's such a great content creator.

But we got to dive in here and I got to learn a lot about Brent's upbringing, where there were parallels and where there were not. And then what's brought him here today on his spiritual mission and everything that he's into. It was a really fucking great, great. We're just going to jump right into it. But as I mentioned in the last podcast, ad reads are going to be shorter, more concise, but they will be in the middle of the episode every 15 to 20 minutes. Please listen to them. They absolutely make this show possible, fiscally possible.

They're the reason that I get to do this show, and I really appreciate each and every sponsor that I have. Without further ado, my brother, Brent Pella. Brent Pella, welcome to the podcast, brother. What's up, bro? Good to be here, dude. Good to be around you, dude. You're pumped.

I love it. I'm pumped too. Thanks, man. I'm somewhat, I'm not dragging ass, but I'm somewhat chill mode just from being in the heat and being outside all morning, but it feels good. We have to do some shooting and some fun shit. Dude, shooting will spike your energy real quick. That woke me up. I like that. all morning but it feels good you have to do some shooting and some fun shit dude shooting um will spike your energy real quick that that woke me up i like that you know there's something you said at the end there where you're like feeling a little zen like um uh like breath work almost right yeah

there's something to that like i noticed that with archery but i noticed it again with handguns and riflery is that like you you have to come to that space using breath and using focus to get really centered and really dialed yeah which is hilarious because people think about shooting as the most violent thing you could possibly do right the most toxically male thing you could do is fire a gun but people who shoot regularly know the like peace that you have to come to in order to pull that trigger properly yeah there's no chuck norris scene with a full automatic where he's wiping out the bad guys like you gotta fucking zen out you gotta zen out dude john wick was breathing you know two times probably when he

was shooting that's what keanu was doing um and i that's why i really like it uh you know my first time at shooting a rifle at the range felt like i was doing a breathwork session because i would really hone in like narrow my vision onto the target. Nothing else mattered. Feel my breath come in and out. And then I would pull the trigger right at that splice moment in between exhale and inhale, right when I was like super neutral and just that perfect equilibrium. Yeah, that was my goal and that was my practice at the time.

So I did a little bit of that out here and it worked, I think, 22% of the time when I hit the target. But yeah, it felt good, dude. Consistency is everything, so no worries. But it was nice to get to shoot with you and the boys and get a couple different weapons now that you've newly relocated here to Texas. It's like, buddy, I remember when I first moved here,

I was with Jeff Gonzalez, I was just telling you about, and Tim Kennedy at the range, and I was looking around and I was just telling you about, and Tim Kennedy at the range. And I was looking around, I was like, holy shit, you could pay for this and walk out of here with that today? And they're like, yeah, if you got no criminal records, if you're a good person. And I was like, okay. Yep. I'm in. I like that.

Yep. Yeah, that's how it should be. Well, let's backtrack. I don't know where we met, but we're both from NorCal. Yep. Maybe Aubrey's 40th or some shit like that. 41st? Somewhere. We might have crossed paths

because I met Aubrey in person like a year and a half ago, but I've known Aubrey online for years. Gotcha. So it might have been something like that. Something like that. Well, bring us back to growing up. Your mom was young. Yeah, she had me when she was like 22, 23. And she was a single mom.

So I was like her little homie. We were like friends, you know, we would, uh, she, I was born and raised in Davis, California. Um, and she was kind of a hippie. She was an old school, like eighties hippie. She brought me to grateful dead shows. I was a little baby running around with no pants on and a tie dye shirt eating like organic applesauce and she brought me there she brought me to like reggae on the river and like hooting the blowfish shows and I was we partied a lot when I was a kid and she instilled in me a really cool sense of spirituality and connection with nature we would go on hikes in the forests of northern California where I grew up near Sacramento or up in Humboldt. Um, so yeah, that was like, she gave me a really cool foundation of, uh, appreciation for the earth,

myself and the connection they're in. Yeah. Yeah. The connective piece from that, even like festivals, they're, they're transformative and we'll talk Burning Man here cause you just got back from the burn, but, um, there is something to that where there's like a deepening with your surroundings that's not always present, you know, because we've got our own shit going on, we're busy in the busyness of life, that kind of thing, and the technology of life,

all those things, that's, it's really fucking rad, and not a lot of people have it, and I was thinking about that just when we went in on the farm with Aubrey and bringing the kids out here and like what kind of life they're going to have. And Paul Cech's one of my mentors, he talked about how important it was that he grew up on a farm. I grew up in the city. I grew up right outside of San Jose. I didn't grow up doing this shit. My great uncle had a 40-acre

peach orchard in Modesto in Central California. So we'd go get a taste of it there. But yeah, that's such a special feeling. It's cool that you had a mom that lived so freely as well because of the fact that like, I grew up with the same bullshit that most people did. It was like, you got to go to college. You got to work for a good company. You got to get a degree. You got to buy X, Y, and Z, you know, and it was still like the IBM mindset. Like you're going to work for one company for the rest of your life kind of deal and have the 401k and the retirement package. And that was like, that was sold to me as a bill of deal and and have the 401k in the retirement package and that was like that was sold to me as a bill of goods and i hated it i couldn't stand the idea of that so just thinking i want i want you know i'm framing it that way because you have one of the fucking coolest jobs on earth thanks man right and and and it takes some balls to be like i'm gonna live freely and

follow my instincts and follow what i love rather than what I should do. I don't think many people consider what I should do to be a comedian. Right. But before we get there, um, keep us going on the trajectory. Like what'd you do for school? Where did you fall in love with, with sports?

Yeah. Uh, from an early age, you know, the, the values that were instilled with in me young were, um, uh,

connection with nature, connection with the universe. I wasn't raised traditionally religious. My mom was raised Italian Catholic. My whole family's Italian Catholic. But then she turned 18, went to college and didn't continue. She developed her own sense of mindfulness and her own spiritual practice and inspired me to do the same. So I didn't grow up with video games. Really, I grew up playing basketball outside or messing around with friends outside or reading. I would have a stack of books as a kid. It was like six books deep. And I go back and forth on different books. And I still

do some of that today as best I can. But I think it helped my brain evolve in a really creative way to not have, uh, like, uh, bumpers, uh, you know, that you would have on a, on a bowling alley, um, like leading me down a certain path. So I was, I was into writing. I was into reading. I was into making short, funny videos from the time I was in high school. And it was always encouraged, which was really cool. Like I, I, my curiosity was always encouraged instead of, uh, like molded, you know, cause some people I think when they're young, their curiosity can be molded a certain way by outside forces, whether it's parents or friends or establishment school teachers or anybody like that. My curiosity was encouraged. So I just kept kind of doing silly shit.

Even through college, when I changed into a film major, no one ever said, oh, what are you going to do with that? You know, my mom was like, yeah, go for it. Great. My friends were like, weird, cool. Yeah. So I'm super grateful for that. And that gives me the lesson to then pass that on to my kids. When I have kids spiritual kid, dude.

I was like an existential kid. I had this necklace when I was young. It was like a pendant. On one side was the yin yang and on the other side was like space with the planet earth in the middle. And without anybody telling me what to do, I would say a prayer to this little necklace, like every night, like a little prayer. I'll say goodnight to the universe and good night to God and whatever. And then I would tuck it into my shirt and I would go to sleep. You had a coexist bumper sticker on your bicycle. I did. I had purple hair. It was great. Um, so I was like a little like existential kid. Uh, and then a couple of years after having that necklace, I lost it and I was super bummed, but I chalked it up to the universe. I was like, I literally said to myself, Oh, well, that was that phase is done.

And now I take what I got from that relationship with that necklace and I move on a little bit. So I always kind of had that in me. Then I found sports, played basketball through high school, played in college. And then once I got out of college, I started going to transformational festivals with a friend of mine and it kind of reignited my sense of spirituality as a young adult after having gone through you know a traditional education path and a mainstream way of living and experiencing life for high school and college I then dipped back into that scene and started to kind of cross pollinate the two within my own experience, you know?

And so that's the path I'm on now. You, where'd you go to college? Santa Barbara? Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz first and then Santa Barbara. You see Santa Cruz. Yeah, dude. Yeah. I got a buddy that's there, um, uh, family member that just got in and I was like, cool, buckle up, you know, enjoy the ride.

Enjoy it for sure. And there's some really intelligent people there. There's a pocket of people. My dad used to live in the Santa Cruz Mountains in Boulder Creek. Like Bruce Dahmer is there. Yeah. Bruce Lipton, fucking biology of belief. Like there's a handful of wizards that live in that area.

Oprah is there. Yeah. Is she? Yeah. She's in Montecito. Or I guess that's south, yeah. But yeah. Yeah, it's a that area. Oprah is there. Yeah. Is she? Yeah. She's in Montecito. Or I guess that's south. I don't know how I feel about that. But yeah.

Yeah, it's a cool area. That derailed my thinking for sure. You got to follow the rabbit hole. You don't want to add Oprah to that group? I don't know. I keep going with that. That's just taking me down conspiracy theories and shit about Oprah, which opens up a whole different conversation that I want to get into.

We'll do that on a different podcast. Okay. I like that. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. I like that. So yeah, basketball. And then like, what, did you go to Lightning in a Bottle? Like name some of the festivals you went to that were-

Yeah, yeah. So Lightning in a Bottle was the first big transformational style festival that I went to post-college, right? So I went to a bunch with my mom as a kid and then post-college went to LIB. And then my buddy Nate, who's a dj goes by equanimous fantastic um he started bringing me to other little kind of experiences like gatherings right and little pockets out in ohio or ventura or places um ohio is a cool town too ohio is really cool santa clarita had a couple events uh and i started to get to know more people in that scene started to

go to more festivals and really connected with like the ethos, you know, and the ethos of the festival, the ethos of the people, the culture of the people that were there. And really just enjoyed how everybody smelled like sandalwood and sage. And that made me feel comfortable and clean. I'm home. Yeah, I felt home. But no, it was cool. I didn't know that space existed, really. Like I knew there was a

maybe alternative i didn't have the vocabulary for it at the time so i would have called it like some alternative like counterculture community but now i call it like the conscious community or the spiritual community or whatever um but it was uh it was really inspiring to start to build relationships with people that were coming from a space that were like driven by not personal gain from building a relationship, but were driven by kind of building community. Like people's mission in those early years of going to festivals seemed to be that they wanted to build community

and they were stoked to connect because it meant that now they're on a path with you and maybe there's some crossover of how both of you are going to make the world a better place. And I really fucking vibed with that. That was really cool. And I saw it a lot. I saw it from artists and people in business and I still see it today. And that's why I'm so grateful to be surrounded by so many people that are actively trying to make the world a better place. And you get that in, you know, that can happen in different industries.

I think it can happen in mainstream industries, like the mainstream entertainment. But I've found it a lot in this particular community that people are stoked to create relationships. So that really like drew me in even more. That's a big, that's a big distinction to make too, because, you know, I, I had always heard about lighting in a bottle. I had friends that went, they're like, it's the fucking best, you know, and I'd get, you know, same people I'd be sitting with in my early days with ayahuasca. So like I valued their, their opinion greatly on that.

Um, but the, the point you bring up about, you know, the community and people that are genuinely witnessing your gifts, like they want to know you to know your gifts. And then they're thinking about how those gifts fit into what they're creating and how you guys can create together. That's really cool. When you moved to LA, there's a different feeling that you get from people. And it's like, what do you do? It's like, how can you help me? You know, and it's not to shit on everyone in LA, but when someone asks me that, like, what do you do? It's like, how can you help me? You know, and it's not to shit on everyone in LA, but when someone asks me that, like, what do you do? You know, it's like, I feel like they're sizing me up.

Like, how can you benefit me? Who do you know? That kind of shit. How many followers do you have? Like, that's literally the vibe that I get from a lot of people. And I met fucking great people in SoCal, like Chervene and Luke Story, who just podcasted with you. Oh, God. Justin Rizvani, you know, who moved podcasted with you. Oh, God.

Justin Risvani, you know, who moved out of there. Like, great fucking people. So it's not the whole bag. John Beer, another fucking great guy. But there is that, which is kind of the opposite. And they're saying the same thing, but they're saying something completely different. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Yeah. And that's part of the reason why I am not there anymore. Did you go for comedy? Because LA was such a big scene. Yeah. So when I graduated college, I moved to LA to have, my day job was as a PA, a production assistant on like commercials and music videos, because I wanted to learn more about the production

side of things and how different projects were taken from conceptualization into production and then put on screen for people's experience right uh so i moved out there for that and it was great it was dope i was in la for 12 years i'm still back and forth quite a bit because i have a little ecosystem out there people that i rock with but just the the general energy of being out there like the move out here was not anti-LA. It was pro here. Like it was very much weighted positively because of what's here, not negatively because of what, um, but I did, I was starting to feel just like the pressure of that environment, just being in LA around people like nonstop and the hustle and the grind. And I wake up and I look out my window and I see into somebody else's window.

You know what I mean? Like that's, doing that every single day, I didn't really know how big the shift would be of my, like I told you earlier, my nervous system until I came out here. And now I look out my windows and there's a million little micro movements within my being that have changed, that have allowed me to ship for the better

and uh so yeah and i feel more creative out here dude i feel great i can talk for an hour and a half about how fucking great i feel being in texas now um i replaced my morning coffee and pre-workout with non-daka it's a slow release caffeine from probiotic teas which provides sustained energy and activates my metabolism while functional mushrooms and cacao enhance cellular function for real energy and also provides stress and gut support. There's no jitters, no sluggishness, and most importantly, no crashes. I love this stuff. It tastes phenomenal. It's an excellent coffee alternative if you want to pick me up, but don't want to be cracked out. Love this stuff. Check it out. It's called non-daka and you'll find it at peaklife.com. Remember to use KKP for 20% off peaklife.com slash KKP for 20% off. That's a, that's a big point to make too, though, because there's,

it's, it's freeing, right? Like why do people meditate to create spaciousness within, right? And so like you can, by changing your environment, you created space. And what does that space allow for? That allows for more creativity, more birthing of new ideas. Like it allows for just a better, a better sense of quality of life as well. Yeah, it also allows for,

it also allows to create space for people to come in and for you to attract opportunities that maybe you weren't attracting before because you weren't allowing the space within your field, within your aura, whatever terminology you want to use. And that's been big for me because I've already experienced that. So yeah, I moved to LA, got into production, was doing stand-up like crazy. And getting into comedy too was never really like a career path for me. Like it wasn't a conscious career. It wasn't like I'm going to do comedy for a living. It was, it started off as

I'm just going to make funny videos while I try to get jobs producing and directing for other people's stuff. And then the funny videos turn into, Ooh, I'm going to try to do standup because that seems fun. And that'll make my video work better. And then once I got better at that and I started booking shows, I saw like the semblance of a career start to build. And I just kept following it because it's fun, you know, and it's hard as shit. And I was broke and still kind of am. And I have been for a while, but it's not, it's not, I'm not doing all this for just been a fun path to follow because it's, and it really allows me to reconnect that creativity that I felt when I was a kid reading like six books a night and playing.

Yeah. It's madly creative. But you know, you look at the best guys, especially with those who are able to continue on top, like a Rogan or a Dave Chappelle, you know, like they're, they're constantly polishing the new stuff when you do the same thing, but you got to polish the new stuff, you use what works.

And then after a time you've got to retire that shit. Right. And especially as you get more well known, you know, you can't go back to the fucking wishing well on the same stuff over and over again. And that takes really, I mean, it takes a a lot it's different for everybody who's in there but i i say this because i kind of fell into mma in the same way i read what was done with football

i didn't want to be a pro fighter but i wanted to train and i wanted the camaraderie of having a team again and i wanted to train in a way that wouldn't feel like i'm working out it would just feel like i'm learning something new yeah you know You know, and then, uh, six months in, they're like, Hey dude, you should fight pro. And if you don't like it, uh, you never did. You say you fought one pro fight. If you like it, you can stick around. You know, one of my first two fights in there 30 seconds. And I was like, now I should, I should take this serious. You know, this is cool. Let's see how far I can take it. A lot of people would say like, that's crazy. But to me saying like, I'm going to limp in or just, just like, yeah, I should do standup. Like that's fucking crazy to me. saying like, I'm going to limp in or just like, yeah, I should do stand-up. Like, that's fucking crazy to me.

When I see someone bomb on stage, it hurts worse than me watching any fight. I could see Anderson Silva snap his lower leg like a twig a hundred times in a row and be like, fuck, man, that sucks. But it doesn't hit my heart the same way as seeing somebody fail on stage, right? When someone bombs dude it i get i get fucked up from it if i'm there like i'm just like oh god like i immediately feel it's like oh fuck no oh man it's bad like i want good comedians to be good and great for my own personal entertainment i'm going there to laugh i'm going there because of the joy of laughing and to be a part of the, of the show. Um,

but when they fail, it is, it is equally, it is equally bad to the good and the joy of a fucking great comedian. Right. It's just like, Oh fuck. And so I've, I've always felt that my mom used to take me to rooster tea feathers in

Sunnyvale, you know, and I went back, you know, a while ago we saw Anthony Jeselnik there and I was like, that's cool, man. Jeselnik's that fucking rooster teas, this little hole in the wall. Um, David I went back, you know, a while ago, we saw Anthony Jeselnik there and I was like, that's cool, man. Jeselnik's that fucking Rooster Tease, his little hole in the wall.

David Allen Greer, we see a bunch of people, San Jose Improv. Who was the dad on Full House? Bob Saget. We saw him like three or four times. No way. Oh, dope, dude. That's awesome. Super cool.

Biff Tannen. He didn't like being called Biff Tannen when I was in line. Just a side note. He said something from, I said something, I thought I was far enough away, but I'd had a few drinks in me. And I was telling him, I'm standing with my mom waiting to get a picture with him. I'm like, nobody calls me mad dog. And I was like, only three people away from me. He goes, I never fucking heard that before. And I'm like, oh God, sorry.

Oh no. I was like, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. But yeah, you know, like I've been to a lot of comedy and um and it is one of the coolest fucking things on earth especially especially when you witness it's like watching jordan you know in 96 like when he finds the groove you're just like that this dude's in it yeah he's not running you know scripted shit he's just on fire and whatever he does is going to make the team better. Like you can see that really like, yeah, you've got, you know, the arc to your show.

You've got certain jokes you're going to do, but the feel and the tempo, you can tell when someone switched the fuck on. Totally. Totally. There's almost an element of like hypnosis because once you're, if you're really, if you're watching somebody performing, who's really in that flow and they're in that pocket and they know their their cadence is down you're you're lingering on every word and like nothing else matters and you're only focused on them um so it's a really cool uh escape almost because you're so in the present moment uh when somebody is just nailing their shit on stage. And it's a really fun place to be in, too.

It's a total flow state. Like, there's a couple of flow states in my life that I love just, you know, centering in basketball. Having sex. And being on stage doing stand-up.

And so it's been a gift, dude. It's super fun. It's super fun to do. And I really love it. And I'm glad that people dig it. So you're fucking phenomenal at it, brother. And it's really cool to, like. It's super fun. It's super fun to do. And I really love it. And I'm glad that people dig it. So you're fucking phenomenal at it, brother. And it's really cool to like piece this together, you know, like from your love of making videos as a kid to getting into film and then like, hey, this is actually working.

Why don't we double down on this? And then let's see. Let's see if I can make my videos better by doing stand up, which is also it's like. Yeah. And so that switch, that switch was fun because I was a production assistant on commercials and music videos. And I looked up to the Lonely Island guys for a while. You know, Andy Samberg? Yeah.

He was on SNL for a while. I did like, I just had sex. I'm on a boat. All those funny comedy music videos. My very first gig was on a music video for them. Oh, cool. And I'd gotten it. Was that in New York?

In L.A. Okay. Yeah. So it was during an SNL hiatus. So they were just doing their own thing. And I'd gotten it. Was that in New York? In L.A. Okay. Yeah, so it was during an SNL hiatus. So they were just doing their own thing. And I got the gig because I had chased down the producer, like cold calling and begging. And the night before, she finally called me back and said, hey, we got a job for you, but I need you to stop calling me. Also, we're not going to pay you.

And I said, great, I'll intern for free. So I took it. I got on the shoot. I was took it. I got on the shoot. I was the only unpaid person on the shoot. I was getting people coffee and, like, moving trash and doing all the tic-tac things like that. And Andy Samberg was in line at the lunch table. And I went up to him. I said, hey, man, I just graduated college.

I just moved to L.A. I was curious what you did when you were in my position. Like, I love what you're doing now, and I want to move into a space where one day I can be putting on projects the way you're doing this. And he said, oh, I did stand up for like seven years as soon as I got out of college. And I didn't know that because he was, he was never like a really well-known guy for standup. He was known for videos and writing. And that was like my catalyst for getting on stage. And it came from like begging the fuck out of this producer just to put me on and then taking an unpaid intern day uh to good to get on

the shoot and then like swallowing my embarrassment and going up to one of my idols ton of balls and asking what he did and then that was like he gave me the code and then from there i started doing open mics and then everything spiraled after that. So that was like a very pivotal, uh, kind of transformative moment early on. That's huge. I mean, we talked on that, we did a little lap on the, on the e-bikes around the farm and we were talking about synchronicity and what drew me out here. And I'm a bore. I've told those stories a bunch of times on this podcast, but I feel like my life is full of moments like that. Yeah. Right? But like when a moment like that happens, like when he told you that and then you started,

you knew that was a fucking God nod. Like it was undeniable. 100%. When you're telling me, when you're saying to me what you're telling to him, I'm assuming the story has to pan out. There's still a part of me that's like, God, Andy Samberg's just going to shit on him.

You know? Like I could feel the weight of that moment when you're there as an intern unpaid and you're like, all right, I'm gonna go fucking talk to him. I got nothing to lose. That's massive. Yeah. It's cool. And I took that as a lesson. So every time I worked on a, on a shoot where there was a big start coming in, I would always have two or three questions just in my pocket. Ready? I got on Seth Rogen shoot. I asked him some questions. He was super funny, Paul Rudd. So I was like a sponge, just trying to soak up knowledge from all these people that I really looked up to and taking bits and pieces here and there. Like Seth Rogen got super high and wrote like a million movie ideas. And then one of them became Pineapple Express. And so I

took that and I started writing a bunch of video ideas and also i tried using cannabis for that too and different ways to be creative paul rudd said he was in the theater programs for years and years and he wasn't even a comedic actor at first he was in drama so based on that i started getting into a theater class in la and it was cool to like just try and soak up as much knowledge from these people i looked up to as possible. And that helped me kind of discover what I was into, you know? So it was like taking pieces from everybody, shedding what didn't work for me, and then uncovering new creative experiences that did work for me, that were fulfilling.

Stand-up, improv, sketch comedy, what type of sketch comedy, a more character-based and high-energy. So that was like the Groundlings Theater in L.A. had a lot of that. So it really, like, those early days of working 18-hour shifts as a PA on these sweltering hot box trucks were, like, building the foundational pieces to craft what I've done for the past 10 years. Yeah. And hard, hard, you know?

Like, it's like Anthony Bourdain, you know, famously said that his most important jobs he ever had were when he's in a fucking dishwasher. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like shit like that. That's like where that grind starts to starts to imprint on you what type of person you are and what you want to do in life and what you're willing to do to get it, you know, and to become it.

Yeah. When did you, you know, part, I haven't seen all of your stuff comedically. I want to go to a bigger show where I can, you know, I've seen you, I've seen you at a couple of spots. Um, you know, part, I haven't seen all of your stuff comedically. I want to go to a bigger show where I can, you know, I've seen you at a couple spots. You know, Arcadia. Arcadia was a good one. Yeah, that was fun. That was amazing. You slayed.

That was so fun. It was the perfect, everything you were saying was perfect. Cool. Because you were simultaneously encouraging the whole crowd of the spiritual movement and simultaneously slaying everyone there. Right? Like for the kid in Vic, there was no one that laughed or they're like god was he talking about me you know like everyone everyone got their ass kicked equally it was like a south park episode you know it was so good

fuck yeah dude it was it was awesome when did you when did you start with plant medicines and things of that nature and working in that direction because obviously you know quite a bit about it so like it's surface level you know beyond you know a deeper bit about it. So like it's surface level, you know, beyond, you know, a deeper level. Definitely. Um, right. Uh, that first lately in a bottle was the first time I did LSD and it was also the first time I did psilocybin in a bigger way. Um, and that was eight, nine years ago, eight or nine years ago. So I'm still fairly new in, into my journey and relationship with different medicines and stuff. um from there uh i i had like a really big night with lsd and with my buddy nate and it was like the most hilarious i've never laughed harder than some of the moments i laughed that night and it was so silly and like

and it was creative in the sense that like um just our our flow for that night had no uh destination and it had no plan and it had it had no real rhythm and it was it was it was one of those journey nights that you've probably had where you just, you meet new people, you have insane experiences that seem to last hours, but it's really just five or 10 minutes. And then five or 10 minutes later, you have another insane experience with some dude in a top hat and assless chaps. He's giving you a lollipop and his name is Fred or whatever. And then you move, you're like, oh my God, that's crazy. What just happened? And then five or 10 minutes later, you're having another one. And it was like, that helped that, that really opened my mind up to, uh, ways that my creativity

could collaborate with my, um, with like the psychedelic experience, like how, how I could enhance my creativity working with psychedelics or take lessons when I'm using different medicines or substances or, or experiences and then fold those into my creativity somehow. And you've seen that probably people might've seen that in like my editing style. Um, some of my writing gets pretty trippy and weird some of my characters are super fucking weird and that all comes from like the new level of open-mindedness that i have when i'm working with um because you know you break your brain open and sometimes you do it for medicinal purposes to sit and that's beautiful and awesome i do that way more than the party style, but sometimes you like to party and partying is fun. And, uh, so I've worked with, or I do work with different substances. Um, but I'd say the,

the most creative I get is from microdose e-silicide. But now I've been doing that for like six years, pretty consistent on a protocol. That's like a month or, um, and that's been cool because it really, I feel like my brain just opens up more. It is shifting. Not only the neurochemistry, but just the connective tissue is potentiated, right? Yeah. Yeah. And my neurons are firing differently. I'm considering concepts differently.

I'm navigating concepts differently. So it's been a huge part of my creativity, but it's also been a huge part of my personal development. And after that first experience with my buddy Nate, the curiosity in me just got set on fire, like so on fire. I was reading and researching everything. I still do, but that was like the early days of really understanding what is DMT? What is that? What is ayahuasca? What are these things?

And the seeds started getting planted. So now I've sat in quite a few ayahuasca ceremonies, a couple of psilocybin ceremonies or what. It feeds my curiosity to, and then it feeds my personal development to come out of everything that I experienced. And it's fun. At the end of the day, my philosophy toward all that stuff is like we're in a meat suit for a very limited amount of time.

I think it was Anthony Bourdain who said, your body's not a temple. It's a roller coaster. Enjoy the ride. And I love that. And I think it's both. I think there's balance to both. But a lot of my experience with psychedelics comes from a place of wanting to better myself and also wanting to experience what I'm here to experience as the universe inhabiting a human form. But there's the sacred and, you know, the holy and, you know, don't use the sacred for partying purposes and this and that. And it's like, I'm not going to fucking drink alcohol at Burning Man. I know what I can take and feel fucking perfectly good the next day.

And I can go as deep as I need to. But it's an altered state of consciousness. You know, and like, that's what we're shooting for. Even the drunk is shooting for the same fucking thing. They're just using the tool that they know best, which might be alcohol. But it is that. Breath work, when you're going deep, is to shift consciousness. It's not to fucking count how many seconds you hold your breath, Wim Hof style.

It's to actually have an altered state. And thinking about that, some of my deepest journeys were the ones where the intention was to party and have a good time. And then always shit. Now I'm in it and I've got it. I'm going to fucking have to navigate this. And on the backside of that challenging journey was a lot of medicine. It was fucking, you know, something that was really transformative. I think a point that you made that's really critical is because I, you know, the longer you stay in the game, the more you realize, like, I mean, when I first started doing ayahuasca, if I had a podcast, all it would have been was ayahuasca. I'd have beaten the drum.

Holy shit, this exists. Everyone needs to do it. It's magic sauce. Yeah. And then you see people who, on the spectrum, some people keep going and they don't really change. And then further down the spectrum, some people go and they fucking go off the rails. They're like, oh, shit, that's possible? Yeah.

Oh, maybe it isn't for everyone. Totally. But with that, I remember an article came out because it was some mainstream media but they were basically talking about how all the ceos and the high-level tech guys are microdosing now for creativity you know and then somebody else had wrote a um uh what do they call that an opinion on it basically said like yeah show me what they've created you know like show me the creativity that takes place there and i i i I, I saw it from both sides, you know, like it was really easy to feel like you're being more creative when you're on a microdose because you do see outside the box. But I think what you, the reason it's worked for you is because you have the macro dose

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And it's like it connects you back to that place and it gives you an echo of that bigger experience that you had, which is important for me. And that's important to my process, too. And the the the a lot of people and even myself make fun of people for trying to excuse doing substances for partying purposes, but saying it's for spiritual growth. Because it's funny. It's like, yeah, we're going to bless this molly, and we're going to do this molly, and it's going to be sacred, and we're going to dance to bass music, and it's going to be sacred. It's a heart-opening night. It is, yeah. Just because they had, you know, Guatemalan cacao to go with the molly.

Right, right. It balances it out. But, you know, to me, it's like moderation is key, of course. Everybody's experience is different. And I think, you know, we're moving into such a different level of awareness and culture for what different substances can with MAPS and the different organizations that are pushing medicines into the therapeutic space. One day, hopefully the corruption is low enough for the FDA to approve it. We will see. But that's a tangent. What I was saying is using substances in like the party space is looked down on a lot. But it's been big for me and building my relationships and my friendships because we do it.

When we take medicine, we work with different substances in a party or a festival space. It's not just to get fucked up. It's not just to get lit and go nuts and get out of our mind. It's to get into our mind. It's to get into our heart. I've had the deepest, most significant conversations of my life at some of these festivals on substances. And we're at a point in our lives, too, me and the people that I hang out with, where we know our limitations, right? There's very rarely the case where somebody does too much. And if it is too much, they go touch grass for five or ten minutes and they come back and we're good. Drink some water, be in a quiet place. We're good.

But nobody ever goes down the dark trip path. Yeah. And if we do, we know how to navigate that. And yeah, it's, it's in that, in that space, it's been very powerful for, for, which always reflects back into my work. Yeah. I think of like the Dispenza's work and Lipton's work and things of that nature and from a manifestation point

and, you know, beyond the secret, right? Like you got to put one foot in front of the fucking other and meet it and work towards it. But from a manifestation standpoint, the idea of what's possible can shift so far from the macro dose that it actually changes your ability to manifest. It changes your ability. And that's one of the things, the macro dose that that it it actually changes your ability to manifest it and change your ability and that's one of the things the track records that i'll look

at if you know if the the opinion editor was to say how did it change your life show me prove it to me i'd say where's my wife where are my kids where all of them came through the work you know fucking this house the land all of it came through you know, and like that I was able to dream into those spaces because I had cracked the egg enough times to see like, all right, there's no ceiling here. What do I want to create now? Right. And I think for those who experience these things on a level that's transformative and on a level that's beneficial at the very least, you know, I think they would agree to that. And to your point, some of the greatest moments of my life

were in the ceremony that turned out to be more of a shit show than a ceremony. Like Aubrey and I had one in Sedona where Aaron Alexander just lost his marbles. Oh, really? And was cracking fucking jokes the whole night and Tate Fletcher started doing stand-up and it was the most bizarre...

During the ceremony? It was the most bizarre shit ever. Perangi was going to play music for us the whole night he just laid with his fucking hands in his eyes like this shaking his head for hours that's hilarious oh my god and it was pure debauchery

and it was the anti ceremony right it was all dudes so it was way too masculine and it ended up being, you know, one of the most challenging ceremonies we've ever done. And also one of the best, you know? So like, I think about nights like that. I think about the last time I went to Burning Man was 2018 and I probably shouldn't give the doses out, but I had a lot of acid and a lot of MDMA in one night, like more than most people would do for a ceremony. And here I am at

a festival, but it was the exact amount that was perfect. You know, we went sun up or sundown to sun up. And, um, that was one of the greatest nights of my life, you know? And I remember dancing. I remember the freedom in my body dancing where I truly didn't give a fuck. Like it wasn't like, you know, dance like no one's watching and all that, you know, the, whatever that saying is, I was so in my body and out of my body that it didn't matter, you know? And like the freedom of that is hard to, it's hard to explain unless you've had it. And then you're like, oh, this is what it's like. Yeah.

You know? And like, and that freedom sticks with me because now I know there are new levels beyond what I thought possible before that. You know? Yeah, you've stored that. You've stored that. You know, people say you could store trauma, right? Because you do, you can physically store trauma. I think you can physically store joy. And I think you can store that in the, in the mitochondria, in your cell, in your cell walls.

And that's what you did with that experience. And I think the more people store joy, the less room they'll have to physically. So that always that's and that's a huge part of my purpose and why I do what I do, because I'm trying to allow people to store more bits and pieces of whenever I can, you know, because it's important. And then you have that moment to look back on or to think about or to meditate with even sitting down for five minutes and trying to get that swelling in your heart that you felt when you weren't dancing like no one was watching you were dancing like no one existed right and and that's a cool place to be that's a cool place to like reverberate from um so all of those moments that i've experienced similar to you i try to remember them during low moments or during periods of

agitation or frustration uh because they're stored inside you. And the more that people have, I think the happier people will be. Yeah, it's a great redirect. Chuck talks about his mind flip. So if you've got a negative thought that's in your head, you flip the coin, the other side's the positive, you invert it.

Cool, yep. You know, and then you choose, what's going to serve my purpose? What's going to serve my dream better, the positive version of this or the negative version? You know, and you get to select then. I think to your point, you know, having, having those memories is, is not just an awesome thing because you did it, but it's also awesome when you can call upon that

while shit's tough, you know, as a memory of that. I mean, every, even in, in I've put, you know, my wife and I through some struggles in marriage and, but I also hold the goodness of when it was perfect. And I hold those, I hold those times through the tough times to know, like, that's going to come back to that, you know, and this too shall pass. And that's, that's always gotten us through it. It's always gotten us through it. You just got back from Burning Man. Talk about some of the things, you know, that came up there that were like really rad this go around. Yeah.

It is different every time. Yeah, it was cool. Last year was our first time, the year before this this which was the mud burn that was the rain burn um and that sucked dude that was bad a lot of people were like yeah yeah we just we embraced the challenge and we were one with the with the bad and it made us better hey dude that shit was a nightmare we did not have fun uh i threw out my back i dislocated a disc i had sciatica for like two weeks and uh i had my calf muscle like drunk in this crazy way because i had this weird foot my foot fell asleep we had a camper van right and the battery died uh and the

guy like didn't ever told us how to recharge the battery internally so we were stuck with like a dead internal battery and so the bed couldn't extend so i was in this like half bed with my girl and my foot fell asleep one night uh and it stayed asleep for three weeks yeah yeah like legit asleep not like a little tingling in the toes. Like, out. And that caught that. It didn't. I couldn't run. I could barely walk.

So, my right calf wasn't used for, like, two months. And it shrunk up. It's still, like, on the mend now. Anyways, it was a nightmare. So, this year, we came back knowing, like, what it could be. And we were so, we were hopeful. And we had faith in, like, a good experience this year. And we were so, we were hopeful and we had faith in like a good experience this year. And it was, it was incredible. It was Burning Man is like, it is all of the cliches and the stereotypes people talk about, but that's so minor compared to the, um, the experience that

you get when you really commit to being one with the purpose of Burning Man and with the mission of why it was originally created, to just free yourself of the world and live in what this wildly trippy, weird, friendly, supportive city could be. So it was great. It was great. We were in an RV. It was me, Natalie, my buddy Nate, and his girl.

We hung out with Aubrey and the crew every night. And it was such a cool sense of family every night. Just drifting across the dirt all together in this little, like, electric bike gang. You know, and every girl's ass is hanging out. And every dude's just eyes super dilated. It was just, it's so fun. It's pure fun out there. It's pure joy. And it, it inspires me creatively in a way that I start thinking, how can I take some of the

experiences I had out there? Some of the conversations I had, some of the arc that I interacted with, some of the trippy, weird moments, some of the crazy synchronicities, how can I take all of that and put that into my work for, like, what are some ways I can translate my experiences into what I, into my output for what I do? So it was a blast, dude. We're going back every year, too. That's what we said.

As best we can, I'm going to clear my schedule for that week, week and a half, and that's going to be an every year thing. And I really want to bring my mom. I think she would fucking love it. That'd be super cool. Your mom would love it. Yeah, she'd love it.

That'd be cool. She's never been? She's never been to the bar. Oh, dude, that'd be fucking rad. It's been a couple decades since her last music festival. And she's still young, too, so that's super cool. Yeah, I think it'd be cool. She would just need a nice RV with some air conditioning.

That's a major one. Which is, yeah. We've stayed in tents that were like the posh tent. yeah oh the tents are posh you know it's got the air conditioner in there a mini fridge oh did that work for it fuck no no not at all that this like it's compared to an rv like i i remember i sleep with earplugs normally and i put earbuds in and put on like the ayahuasca album from perongi on low or binaural beats, right? And the bass coming through my feet all the way to my hips was at a different frequency, right? But it was 24-7.

So it was like, there's no sleep. It was brutal. I'm like, I don't think I'm coming back unless I'm in an RV. And I'd nap sometimes in the RV when I really needed it. Or for whatever reason, our camp, you know, the people next to us might not have music blasting on a Wednesday at noon. Right. So it was just like, I'll go fucking lay in the center of the tent. Like, uh, I'm just, you know, try to recover. But, um, yeah, I mean, one of my favorite memories was being on the heroic dose and just riding our

bikes at night. And, and my buddy tell him, John Beery goes, close your eyes. And and and my buddy telling john beer he goes close your eyes and i was like what and he goes close your eyes trust me and i closed my eyes i'm like are we gonna fall and he's like no brother and we just fucking rode with our eyes closed it was insane dude like insane just a just an insane feeling and i was like out of all the dope you know like diplo art car and fucking all the cool shit it's like that right in the right and with the eyes closed was was one of the peak experiences yeah it's like freeing it's freeing and all your senses are like super heightened um yeah it's a really cool place man the the experience of a of a transformational festival is uh it's really

special it's really special it's been a huge part of my personal growth. Talk about, you know, like you, you moved out here, obviously you had great guys like myself that were encouraging you to, uh, I spoke it in the tobacco prayer and it was so, I think that was it. I think that was it, dude. Matter of fact, matter of fact, um, you know, what was your draw? And I don't want a whole bunch of people, more people moving here, but at the, at the, at the, at the potential of a whole bunch of people moving here, what was your draw to Texas? What was your draw to this crew? And, you know, like what other factors? Like it's got to help that Rogan brought the comedy scene here as well.

Sure, yeah. Yeah, a couple of facts. The biggest factor was community, I think, for us. Community and nature and wanting like a big creative shift. The community-wise, yeah, I knew Aubrey fairly well. I, I knew you a bit. I knew Eric a bit. Um, but I also knew like JP really well. I knew Jordan Bodich really well. Uh, I knew Josh Draper really well. Um, and a couple other people that live in Austin proper that are outside of this world that I already had longstanding friendships with.

So it didn't feel intimidating in the sense that we would have to start over with our friend group. It actually felt like we had more close friends here than we actually had in L.A. In L.A., I do have close friends. I love my close friends out there, but it wasn't as many as out here. And out there, it just felt like work. I was living in work mode kind of constantly. And I wanted to see really like kind of a shot in the dark in a way,

because we had no idea. I've never lived outside of California, dude. I'm California born and raised. I love that state. It's my favorite state in the country for many different reasons. And it's got a whole bunch of issues. And some of those issues also prompted us to leave. But the move for community, community is something I've started to value more and more over the past couple of years in a bigger way than I have before.

In the sense that like I've actually actively tried to grow relationships with friends more than I have. I've done that more in the past couple of years than I have in years prior. And I have like a conscious effort to really connect with people who support me. And how can I then support that make the relationship in an authentic and that's uh that's been really beneficial to me and to all the people around me it just feels fucking good to have people that love you that genuinely love you and want you to win and to be around that constantly and to be around people that I genuinely love and I want them to win.

It's fucking dope, dude. It's really cool. And I had that a lot in the comedy world out here and in LA and outside of the comedy world out here. So yeah, that was the biggest inspiration. And the comedy scene in Austin is great. I love it, but I'm not really like in it. I'm still more in the LA scene and I probably always will be

because now when I travel and I tour and I pop out when I come home I like to be grounded I like to be at home so I do I perform live more outside of Austin than I do here. I think JP's doing that too these days that he was doing a lot in Texas early on back when Cap City was still around before Rogan got here and then as he started touring and stuff, I've seen less and less availability of him locally. Yeah. You know, just probably for the same reasons. Yeah, it feels nice to have a place to just be home and like kind of grounded at, rooted in space here.

I still shoot videos here. I don't pop into town maybe once a week. But yeah, it's, I've never felt this sense of like calm and peace. The 10 years I've been doing, I have in the past two months of being, and that comes from being around people too. So yeah, the community factor was the biggest one. Yeah. We had to build that when we got here, but as I told you on the, on the, on the bike

ride, like that was a massive prayer of my wife and mine, you know, and, um, it's been really cool to see like how many pieces fit right when we got here and then how that's evolved as well. Yeah. And even now, like today is the first day of our homeschool co-op that's going on for the farm and and um you know we're buddies with tim kennedy and matt boudreaux and we're gonna in in a year we'll have an apogee school as an affiliate and um not an affiliate but a a franchise you know for down here at the farm and we've really called in other parents, you know, because Aub doesn't have kids yet. And then, you know, he's looking to get in the game, which is cool.

But so many, we're the only parents in the game, you know, at Burning Man and our crew. Oh, cool. And so it's been wild finding the right people. But yeah, we've got, you got to meet Eric. You know, Navy EOD, he was on the podcast. Awesome. He's one of my best buddies, you know,

and he's the GM of the farm. His wife is one of my best buddies, Tasha's best buddy. They got three kids. They're all homeschooled. You know, they're all in jujitsu together. I'm coaching them four nights a week. And, um, now I feel, I can feel that addition, you know, like today we did a seven directions prayer and, you know, everybody, every kid got to say their spirit animal and acted out and everyone had to do the same, you know? So I was like, it was a pretty rad group with like 20 families here. And I can see that seed planted today as one of the future. That's another unfolding.

You know, that's such a cool, a cool piece of where life takes us. So I love what you're building here and you broke it down for me earlier. It's super. See that happening more these days around the country? Does it seem like that's just continuing to increase? No doubt. I mean, there's since 2020, you know, Joel Salatin said one and a half million people became homesteaders since 2020 and 2021. Wow. So, and that could be a homesteader could be a half an acre to three acres. It doesn't have to be 118. Most are going to be in that, well, you know, one or half to three acre range. But they're homesteading, you know,

they'll get some chickens, they'll throw some plants in the ground, they'll start to grow their own food. They'll have a deeper relationship with nature, you know? And that's something, even when I lived in my mom's garage, I was fighting in the UFC. I had a raised bed garden. That was mine. I fucking put like, uh, eight, uh, fruit trees in the ground would water them daily. You know, like that, that was where every other day, like that, that was my, I was drawing me, you know, I was drawing me to just like, we're on a quarter acre, fucking make the most of it. And I made this beautiful garden out of it, you know, but here we've got some space. It's a bigger canvas to play with. And knowing what I do now and having taken the deep dive into regenerative agriculture and met

so many great people, it's, it's really cool to dive into that. And with the help that we have, obviously, uh, and support that we have, it's been really awesome to go full in on that. The kids thing, you know, my wife enjoys homeschooling. She was homeschooled kindergarten up until high school, then she went to high school in Vegas because she wanted to run with a cross-country team. Cool. And her mom homeschooled all of them.

She's one of five kids. So it's like, she's a fucking gangster, right? She could do a lot there. We only have two kids, and they're five years years apart so this makes it a little bit more challenging but um jujitsu and other activities make it good for for you know socialization kids have friends that kind of stuff outside of the normal friend group but ultimately and this came in part through our work in fit for service and like when 2020 happened not only was 2020 for me a holy shit moment because they could shut us down from doing live events right like we can teach online but that's nothing

compared to our live events there's nothing you're going to see in sedona like this is a whole thing you know the transformational experience of a festival is is its own thing right if you couldn't do that that would fuck a lot of people up. Right. Especially if that was, you know, if we were lightning in the bottle owners, so 2020 really lit a fire under our ass to have a place to be able to host events. And that's where we got this place. Cause it's got the two barns, air condition, all the goodies, the house. Um, and then in addition to that, I wanted to grow our own food. So we, we started the farm here. Um, furthering that, you know, I realized in working with adults from all ages and other parents that would come through Fit for Service that we're working with people that are already pretty far into their life. You know, and rabbit holing kind of the shift, like where does woke culture come from?

Well, this started a long fucking time ago. It started in schools. It started with education it started in the radicalization of college professors in berkeley and other places the 1960s right and even during the original psychedelic movement there was a big push uh from american communists they have an american communist manifesto and you're like oh you know these guys talking communism you know it's like no no, no, no. Like it's legit, dude. They have a fucking playbook. And, um, G Edward Griffin who wrote, uh, he's written a few books, but, um, the monster at Jekyll Island or creature at Jekyll Island, fucking phenomenal book on when the fed was made. They have original videos and you can find online, um, from 1969, it's black and white

video. He was a professor at Berkeley and he's talking about all this shit, you know, like it's just, and so like it's, it was alive then. And you can see the effects of that now. So really sitting with that was like, and Tucker Max is a good buddy. He knew the same shit. Like if we really want to affect change, we need to, we need to do it at the youngest level possible where we're growing people. Like you don't buy some shit tree from home Depot and then start adding organic fertilizer to it. Ideally, you start with a fucking really good heirloom seed and grow that in the best soil from day one. Right. So knowing that and knowing there are tons of like-minded people and also

knowing in Texas, we're really fortunate. It's not like California, you know, like one of the reasons we left California in 2017, even though Bayer was like a year old, was the SB 272 went through or 273, whatever it was, mandatory vaccines. If your kid wanted to attend any school whatsoever, the full schedule, not part schedule, they got rid of religious, um, exemption. They got rid of medical exemption. And, uh, we didn't know if we were going to homeschool or not, but I was like, I'm not, I can't fucking stay here for that.

You know, there was just just one one strike too many um but yeah i think um they're they're along with the homesteading there's never been a bigger jump into reconsidering what your kids education could look like for a lot of people you know it was particularly with um two income families where mom and dad both work no one can do the homeschooling but homeschool co-ops are a way around that, you know, or like one or two days a week, you go to such and such house and then they're going to teach math and then you go to somebody else's house. And so that's kind of where it starts. And they do those in California. They do them in Canada, Australia, all over, even where

shit's like really weird. And, um, and that provides people with the ability to, to have an idea of what their fucking kids are being taught. You know? And that's a huge thing for me. Where we really line up with Tim Kennedy and Apogee and Matt Boudreau is that every part of their value system, we already live, we already appreciate, we already want that, and we want that for our kids. You know, so he's got, I think they've got 150 to 300

Apogees there to start in the next two years. Wow. And, and they've just rolled out the playbook, you know, he open sourced it and he's like, you franchise it, you know, you got to go through our, our one year onboarding system. So we know that we were walking the same walk we are, then you can do it. You can do it your way. Um, Matt has specialized in figuring out what are the laws in each place. So like they were in california and when um newson came to shut everyone down and tell him to go home from school he had a

stack of paperwork waiting for him and he just goes here you go see you later yeah and there was nothing they could say and they stayed open and they didn't have to wear masks cool you know they kept they did kept the class outside and it's like there was a you know of all the fuck ups we've done in history forcing kids to do online education, forcing kids to be in school with masks, with their teacher on masks. Like, we have no concept of what's that done to them psychologically. No fucking idea. That's a seed, and it's not a good seed.

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So, I mean, I think that was a big drive for us and it's taken more time. You know, like we, anything you want to do, you want to do right. You want to do well. But we've been, not only the regenerative, we've been connected to awesome people. I was telling you about Ethan who, you know, is homies with Montsoul and participates in the sacred hunts and 15 years had been a principal in a school system that he not like a regular muggle school system. Not private, not Waldorf, not anything.

And he sees the failure of that. And so it's been his dream to create this. And I'm like, oh, you gotta meet Tim Kennedy and Matt Woodrow. You know, they just fucking interconnect the dots, watch it go, hey, we've got 118 acres and we've got a couple air conditioning buildings that we're not using most of the time. You know, like even though we're going to be outdoors 99% of the time, we still have all this here.

And that's been really cool to kind of see that seed get planted and watered and today's day one. So really cool. Yeah, the long answer to your question is I absolutely see more and more people getting into this because their options are expanding. No different than more and more people, whether it's through Jordan Peterson or any of these other people who leave university and say, I'm going to offer my own online education. You can see now, you know, kind of the Goodwill hunting dynamic. Yeah. Like I could have gotten the same education for $2.50 in late charges of the public library. That becomes real to people thanks to the internet. That becomes real thanks to people who lived in the system of the ivory tower and decided to take their medicine outside of that and make it available for pennies on the dollar. Right. So more and more from whether it's all the way at the college level or in between that, I think there's tons of options popping up for people.

Cool. That's dope, dude. I think back on some of the most, uh, some of my favorite moments in school, in elementary school and junior high, and none of them were learning to measure the surface. You know what I mean? Like none of them were learning how to do the square root of shit, of pie or whatever. What they were the most like the memories that are the clearest that make me feel full when I remember them that still have some impact on my life today were the field trips out into nature. Like we did hikes. We did like moss hikes. We would hunt for moss. We did all these,

we did like bug collections. We did a couple, I don't even know if mainstream schools do that anymore. I got to show you the bug collection we got out here. I saw a couple of them out here. Yeah, that's dope. That was cool as shit too. We learned everything on a bug hunt.

We learned about all these different insects and what they eat and where they live and how the environment of where they live changes. And that alters their relationship with their environment. And all of that stuff, it was pivotal for me growing up as a kid out in nature. That's what I would want to give to my kids. 100%. There's a funny, I'm a part of Paul Jim's Spirit Gym, which is his, Paul check spirit gym. Uh, my spirit gym.com. I'll throw that out there. It's fucking rad. And it's like his, you know, all awe, the draw, the curiosity, right? The whole,

wow, like that's in them until we beat it out of them, right? Verbally or otherwise. But I think about that, like bugs are fucking rad. They're super cool.

So we're taught, that's gross. Don't pick that up. It's like, no, we found a lizard in our house today, this morning.

There's a little gecko running around. It's super cool. Fuck yeah. Just watching it. You're like, hey, you can stay,

man. Get the flies, get the mosquitoes. I'm in your home, probably, you know? Yeah, it was cool. That's super cool. That yeah. Just watching it. You're like, hey, you can stay, man. Get the flies, get the mosquitoes. Dude, I'm in your home, probably, you know? Yeah, it was cool. That's super cool. That's dope. Yeah, I think that's alive and well.

And dude, I can tell, you know, I just had a conversation with Justin Nault, who's a great friend. And he's, you know, he went to Burning Man too. And so sorry for the folks where we get back-to-back episodes from people post-burn, but that's it. It is what it is. I'm trying to live vicariously. That's your sign you should go and uh uh you know he was talking a lot about being a dad before he's a dad like he already is you know he has that and i could

feel that quality coming through you oh thanks you know that you're you're you're gonna have a lot to give to your kids appreciate it yeah yeah i'm looking forward to it no no time not soon but one day yeah take your time take your time time. Where can people find you online? Where can people get more of you? Videos, all that good shit? On tour, do the rest of the year. brentpella.com slash shows. It has tour dates, Phoenix,

Dania Beach, Florida, Portland, couple other spots. And then new videos pretty much every day at brentpella on whatever you got. Fuck yeah. We'll link to all that in the show notes. Brother, it's been awesome having you. Appreciate you, dude.

I love you so much. I love you, brother. Cool. All right, y'all. One last thing I want to tell you about is this is Fit for Service's final year.

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