Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #376 Voices of Ancestral Wisdom w/ Chase Iron Eyes

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

In this podcast, Chase Iron Eyes delves into the intersection of indigenous wisdom and practices for personal and communal healing. He shares his journey of spiritual awakening, driven by Native American traditions and his legal career empowering tribal nations. The discussion navigates political dilemmas, cultural heritage, and challenges faced in preserving and respecting traditions. Topics include ancient ceremonies like sweat lodges, biohacking, the empirical nature of indigenous knowledge, and the integration of holistic health practices such as breathwork and yoga. The episode underscores the transformative power of uniting ancient rituals with modern science, aiming to foster physical, mental, and spiritual growth amidst modern societal influences.   Connect with Chase here: To support the beautiful causes of Sacred Defense Fund Find @lakotalaw & @chaseironeyes on instagram.  If your interesting in learning more, please visit Sacred Defense Fund   Our Sponsors: - Caldera Lab is the leader in men’s skincare and is here to save the day. Use our exclusive code KKP at calderalab.com/KKP to enjoy 20% OFF their best products. - If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM.  Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU10 to claim your 10% discount. - Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy.  Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu  Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App  Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth  Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site   If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!   We always love to hear feedback and are interested in what you want to learn. Reach out to us on social media!

This was an incredible episode I got to do with Chase Iron Eyes out in Sedona, Arizona. We had him out for our event and I was, I continue to be blown away by this man. He's an indigenous elder from the Lakota tribe in South Dakota and just has so much wisdom to share. You might have heard him first on the Aubrey Marcus podcast, as I did. I've had the privilege of being able to hang out with him now at a couple of Fit for service events, or actually this one fit for service event we just did and the Bobby Kennedy event we did at the farm and just absolutely love everything this man is about, everything he knows. He had so much good stuff to share and I really love this podcast. Quick reminder to everybody, this podcast is going to have ads on the interior of it from now

going forward. That way I don't take up a gang of your time before the podcast starts. You still have the ability to fast forward if you want, but I highly encourage you to listen. These sponsors are what make the show possible. Welcome to the podcast, Chase. So good, brother. I've had just an amazing opportunity to get to know you personally. And not just personally.

I guess what I'm trying to say is face to face yes because i felt like you did such a beautiful job on aubrey's podcast allowing people to see who you are and i want to have our own podcast today but at the same time if this is the first time anyone's heard you i want people to get to know you amen we could just start anew bro i tell you uh it's been uh life-changing fit for service has just uh it's like it opened peeled back a layer we we were just we're very grateful to be here and we came here with the mind to what what could we share from our knowledge systems native american mythology you might call it what like our worlds. What could we share with the Fit for Service family?

But after participating in the activities, now it's about what can we learn from Fit for Service? Like what can we take with us that will help us help our people, help our young people? We work with the youth group. I'm very fortunate to be the executive director of a nonprofit sacred defense fund. We work with youth on the Pine Ridge Reservation, which, I mean, you know,

we don't want to gloss over what the reservation is and represents. Like, it represents unconquerable dignity and hope, but there's also these other sides to it that are very challenging. I grew up on the reservation my whole life until I was 19. And being here, people just have to come and experience it. I never ever, I come from a different spiritual discipline.

So when I come here and, you know, you guys are facilitating medicine. You're facilitating healing work, empowering work. So it really, it's changed us. You know, we came like 8, 10 deep. Natives from all over. You know, from the Navajo Nation, Omaha,

Lakota, Anishinaabe. Probably some other people. There's probably natives here that we don't know about. You know what I mean? Maybe they don't talk about it. But we're on a I'm an attorney, you know, by trade. That's why I went to school. That's why I have 150K of student loan debt. Because I'm an attorney. But I had, you know, there's not a lot of, I had to pick a path. And I picked law school, one, because of the relationship between tribal nations and the federal government,

the United States and the states of the union, but also to empower tribal nations economically. You know, there's no reason why conditions need to be the way they are. But it's a process, and we're out here making friends. We're making relations, and it's powerful, bro. Is that how you got involved? I mean, you talked about your uncle. We met, of course, at our farm in Lockhart for a fundraiser for Bobby Kennedy, which I thought was incredible.

Being in your presence, having you on our land, it was such a gift. And then the real gift was the sweat. I mean, that just blew my fucking mind, being able to sweat with Bobby and to have you in there and with your lineage and what your uncle was, explain the ties and how this all connects because I think it's such an amazing thing. And then we can kind of break down the law and new stuff. Sometimes, you know, what we might call

tawachi or wachi, which is like the will, the free determination of a human being, the ability to make your own choices and determine your own destiny. Being here, coming to Lockhart, being on the farm, linking with Bobby Kennedy, it's strange to me. Like, sometimes I feel like I'm playing a role. Like I have to recognize the energies. I have to recognize the signals and the inspirations in our walks of life. And I think maybe it could be just getting a little older now too that

I pay attention to those things. And so what people don't know is my uncle, his name is Everett Iron Eyes. This is my mom's brother one second yeah hey we're on a podcast please on set it's over here fucking the bros are getting louder and shit what that means they're having a good time but so i grew up on the standing rock reservation you know i didn't have a father my mother raised me and she struggled right she still struggles she's she's 80 years old,

and we're very blessed that she's still with us. But my uncle had to take on some of those responsibilities of a young chase, and he would take me hunting, him and his other son, and we would go hunting. So he would talk to me all day long about his career, about his professional life, about his spiritual life, because it was just me and my uncle in the car and then we get home and if we were successful we would have to dress and clean and take care of the whole kill the deer usually and usually white tail what were you guys yeah white mostly white tail also you know some people hunt black tail um that but that's another there's no we have elk elk now there and buffalo as well. Beautiful.

And so, you know, that's why we grew up eating that kind of a diet. But my uncle showed me a picture of him and Bobby Kennedy from maybe 19, the early 1990s. And he would tell me how they met, how him and Bobby Kennedy met defending, you know, tribal and human water rights. After Bobby cleaned up the Hudson River, they went to Canada. I think it's called the Whale River. Chief Kuhn Combs, I think his name is. My uncle and Bobby stayed for almost two weeks in teepees

and eating fresh seafood and whatever was hunted. They did, and they almost died on a white water type river. They almost went over the edge. And so my uncle was imprinted. There was some relation with Bobby, which is maintained to this day. So when I heard my uncle's voice on one of the Kennedy campaign promos,

and I was like, what? I can't get uncle to do it. Like, this man is like a recluse, you know? And so am I. Like, we like our private time, too. So Bobby came to Jackson Hole. I went to Jackson Hole just to meet him. I was going out to visit another elder from the Wind River Reservation. So I went just to wait in line to take a selfie with Bobby.

Like, I ran for the United States Congress as a Democrat in 2016. I saw the, just the coercion. Like, I was, at the time, I loved Bernie Sanders, right? Yeah. Bernie was coming to North Dakota. Hey, Mr. Iron Ass, could you please open up for Bernie Sanders? He's coming to your state. He's coming right North Dakota. Hey, Mr. Iron Ass, could you please open up for Bernie Sanders? He's coming to your state. He's coming right almost to where you live.

We would like you to welcome him in and give it give a speech. And I said, yeah, I'll do it. I was elated to do it within about two hours of me agreeing to do that. I don't know how you know how the Hillary Clinton Victory Fund heard about it. I get a call from the campaign campaign people that surrounded me after I became the candidate. If you give that speech for Bernie Sanders, you're going to risk all of the Hillary victory money that comes into the state of North Dakota. So they put me in a place where now if I give this,

which my heart wants to do, the very good people that took a chance on me and said, could you be our candidate candidate they might lose their jobs I'm in a different place politically and Bobby, I love Bobby the independent messaging being done with the dichotomy and the forced duopoly

that's where I'm at right now I'm still there I just wanted to shake Bobby's hand and when I shook his hand he says Iron Eyes, what's your name? He asked me, Chase Iron Eyes. Iron Eyes, what are you to Everett? That's my mom's brother.

And he was like, well, stick around. You know, I want to introduce you to some of my team. And then the team reached out to me to get Everett to Lockhart. But Everett's 74. And he was like, ah, nephew, I don't really feel like flying. You know what I mean? Can you go on behalf of our family? Lockhart, but Everett 74. And he was like, ah, nephew, I don't really feel like flying. You know what I mean? Can you go on behalf of our family?

Can you go to Lockhart? And I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know I was going to get to be on a panel with Bobby and Aubrey and all the other visionaries that are there. And then the sweat lodge, that was just something you don't ever hear. You're never going to hear of a presidential person with their entire campaign team and Aubrey and Fit for Service with everybody in the same lodge. That is earth-shattering to me. That's where it started, and that's where I began to recognize that there's a convergence

or there's energies coming together. We came to share parts of our lineage. And then there are people here with Fit for Service who are channeling and connecting to and receiving direction and meaning from their ancient lineages that they've been separated from throughout time. What happened to Native people over the last couple hundred years, that happened to people that call themselves white people or Europeans, that happened to them 3,000 to 5,000 years ago.

And so we're all dignified, divine, flesh and blood human beings. And my work for the past probably, I would say 15 to 20 years now, it seems, has been to build a bridge, try to build that bridge. Because our people, my people, the Native people, nobody really knows about us, you know what I mean? Like, we're under the radar. Well, that's changed since Standing Rock, the stand with with standing rock now you see native representation popping up all over there's natives in spaces you might not be accustomed to seeing them but uh now and we're moving forward to full

agency full empowerment that's why i like it here you we're not trying to fit you're not expecting us to fit into anything you're like who who are? We want to know who you are could bring your medicine bring your teachings bring your your mythologies your your epistemologies bring all of what you know because we want to learn too and There's an exchange happening. I feel like I don't I don't know where it goes, but I feel like this is like a Spark or something. It's very empowering and encouraging. Absolutely. Yeah, my first, I grew up in the city.

I didn't grow up on a farm. I think my closest encounter to anything Native American was watching Dances with Wolves or something in Hollywood, right? And there was always a draw. Like no matter how Native Americansicans were painted you know i always understood the movies were going to make shit look a certain way but i always had a drawing and my first boxing coach i spoke about many times in this podcast was mestizo uh central american aztec you know we see the poche was his given name and we call them we see for short little guy little hummingbird guy he's five five foot even you do holy for us way up here to

stretch his arms all the way up but he'd bring us out for for tamas call which was the the central american dome sweat out of concrete and then we built in eps yes on uh aloni the aloni land that's in uh indian canyon yeah only federally recognized land between san francisco and santa barbara i know that place and those were my first you know no running water no lights you know coming to school here it's like oh yeah go to native land it's a fucking casino because you know like this or the simpsons did kind of a joke i mean it's just a joke about everything like that but you know it was like um seeing that seeing the untouched land and just the felt presence there there's a feeling most people understand like you don't have to be an energy worker when you come to sedona you're like it vibrates just something's different something's there i get the same feeling when i go to lake tahoe yeah something magic these

pine antennas are everywhere right just like connecting us um and that's the feeling i'd get in indian canyons like going into a womb and much like the sweat we're going into a womb yes and so those were all of my my introductory medicine journeys before starting to work with plant medicines and um it really showed me a different way of life the first time i learned about intention first time i learned about respect and reverence and and the honoring of the great mother you know and i've read about shit like this but i'd never understood it viscerally until those moments, either in the altered state of the sweat, coming out of the sweat, or in the altered state of psilocybin or ayahuasca, where I could literally see everything is animated, everything is alive. And the idea of animism wasn't an idea.

It was a gnosis. It was like everything is alive. Everything is conscious. You feel the wind. The wind is no longer just a breeze. When we were doing breath work, that's when, bro, that just blew me away. It rearranged some of my archetypal, you know, the foundational. I'm always Lakota.

I was born Lakota. And I had the, my teachers were very, very worldly. Their cosmovision is... they're sharers. They're very global in their approach to sharing the medicine, the way of life. Some of our people are not like that. And sometimes I get called out for being too open. But I feel like we don't have time to be closed off. We're not, you know know we need to be going

up our trajectory needs to be going at a steady climb and we've either plateaued and we're even with the advent of technology and everything and all the other distractions of you know the corporate captured world you might call it I used to say the western world but I don't yeah of course the western world deserves all the the criticism and the critique it's going to get, but it's not just the Western world. What are the Chinese doing? What are the Russians doing? The same thing, you know? So the corporate captured world, the one that we're ingesting poisonous foods and things that degenerate our antennae and the strength of our own being. And then you add to that the knowledge,

the educational institutions in Hollywood that we're being degenerated, and it's not very often that people, including those that are at maybe Fit for Service, I've been to the festival scene a few times, and I like it, but it's the festival scene is 90% party 85% party this crew here this is like a Spiritual family that has direction and I come from a spiritual family

We gather every summer to conduct sacred ceremonies like the Sundance like Vision Quest. And we do the Inipi quite often now that I live on Pine Ridge. And that's one amazing thing about connecting with medicine healers, what we call Wakani Eska, interpreters of the sacred. It's the same role that is being played here when you're leading people through breath work for instance that's just one small piece of I Learned new new words like biohacking we do biohacking. That's what the sweat lodge could be considered that it's it's more than that

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So we're fasting for 96 hours Like no food no water. That's the that's the the tradition the the old way you know now we've been 125 years into the colonial process and we're eating all the same junks at the at the the dollar stores that america is eating that that a lot of america can only afford to eat there yeah so uh you eat there. So some of us aren't able to make it for four days and four nights with no food, no water. I've done that, and you approach death. You approach, and that's part of the ceremony, is that when you're approaching that transition,

when you get close to the spirit world in that way, you can bring the healing from the spirit world, from the Chanku Naghi, the spirit road where we go when it's our time. You can bring that healing power in and you're able to heal maybe sick people, people that are grieving people who are going through the throes of of the human condition what it means to be human so these ceremonies i i

appreciate that you said that because we don't know how old these ceremonies are how did we have we have knowledge and stories about how we got them. But the important thing is that we do them. And that's where I've had to come over a long course of, you know, being scientifically, you know, empiricism, scientific supremacy. I appreciate all that knowledge systems that come from there. But it caused a pause. One of my elders, his name is Dave Swallow, said, the English language brought some fear, some doubt, and some confusion where people are hesitating. They want to be convinced that God is real. Dave Swallow said, the English language brought some fear, some doubt, and some confusion,

where people are hesitating. They want to be convinced that God is real. You know, they don't even, to ask that question, it shows kind of a, I think, an ill-informed way of viewing what you are, because our bodies are 75 water just like mother earth is 75 water where did where did the flesh and the in the blood and the bones come from we have a knowledge for that and we explain it now i can't i can't sit here and demonstrate i just i'm not well researched enough how we didn't come from monkeys i don't i, I don't, we don't know. What we know is that the quote-unquote the evolution yet we believe we also have our stories are not incongruent with what science is telling us today. But somewhere along the line there was a swift alteration in the DNA structures

and we we have different knowledge about what that is. Francis Crick said it. The guy who discovered the DNA double helix said it was a double helix structure. He said there's no way. He also believed in transpermia, you know, the potential of genetics being seeded to this planet. Yes. Either an asteroid or intelligent light. Straight up. Because the way our DNA changes is so rapid that there's no link in between.

It's not just that we don't have bones, the bones of a common ancestor, right, that links us. It's that genetically we have such an advancement. And we see that with the brain. Everyone talks about the brain getting big. And you've got the McKenna brothers, stoned apes. They found the psilocybin and made the bed bigger. But I think, yeah yeah that there is a deeper a deeper questioning that's worthy there and the fact that you guys have this built in

just as you know the emerald tablets had a version of that built in i think that's very important we we uh and we almost lost it it went underground it had to go underground so when i'm coming and we're able to share some of the substance the in the power of just our songs for instance like I brought all season with me here those are good brothers those are those are those are good brothers they're good brothers and sisters are good people they're uh song keepers so inside the songs now the the voice is something that is uh-given. It's given by a mystery, but then there's a power in it. Because the voice is sacred. The voice is wakhan. You can create with it, or you can destroy with it.

And then with the voice, whatever is happening with the vibrations and the unseen, the things that we can't see, not only with the voice voice but with the drum. The drum is another very sacred item, you know, and I see drums out here. I see you guys taking care of them. And we notice little things like that, you know, like, yo, this ain't, these ain't no regular peoples out here, regular white bros out here, you know what I mean? There's, there's respect out here. And so that drum is the same way. That hide was once living, and then the vibration, again,

the unseen things that are happening, the impact from the waves, particles, frequency, all of that stuff that you can use to describe it with, that can pierce the corporeal veil. You know, what we see as quote-unquote real real or even some people see it as a sim or whatever but The more you you know, that's why we go for four days with no food No water because then you're like yo, this ain't no sim. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, it's hard and But it teaches you and it's a way to kind of, you die to your body. You die to your body, and the same thing when we give flesh.

You die to your flesh, and you become unified with what I hear being described as the self or the eternal spirit, the eternal soul of each and every one of us as human beings. Those systems almost died. Our languages almost...there are indigenous languages out there that are extinct. They're no longer heard. The vibrations, the frequencies, the medicine that comes from the land. Our languages come from the land. That's why I think when our elder says something like, when you're born speaking English first, you have a harder time liberating from some of the, maybe the things that are encoded inside the language, the way that

we color our universe, the way that we give meaning and purpose, but also the way that our senses are interpreting and perceiving stimuli or meaning. Another reason why when we go in the lodge, it's dark in there. Because you close these ones off. Now you're here, and you're here, and the voice, and you're here as well. And plus with the medicines, we'll put some medicines on the stones. Again, there's a there's a story for everything more when i talk about something then i'm like i go off on this other

thing because it's also important to understand you know these other things but that's going to take time and we're just starting out yeah brother yeah and i get just to allude you know when you said here here and here you're pointing to different faculties. You point it to the mouth, the logos. You point it to the ears, the auditory, where we hear the reverberations. And I think what you're speaking to, there's a great book called Stalking the Wild Pendulum by Ishtak Bentov. And he says, because everything is frequency and vibration, you could call everything light or you could call everything sound. And there's only a small spectrum we can hear and only a small spectrum we can see, but all of it is light or sound. And so when you talk about the drum and we talk about the voice, it literally penetrates, it can penetrate everything in existence, every realm,

even though our realm is one that's fixed in a way it it allows for supernatural um communions you might you might say human beings have a particular power and a particular gift and responsibility we are given these um these these instructions and these i don't want to technology is not the right word but but you can think of it as a technology because it's something that, you know, makes other things possible or easier or facilitates them. These, the songs, the drums, the gift, the sacred pipe, they all come from the, what we call, like the other relatives that were here before human beings. Like I said, we have an evolutionary knowledge system. We know that it started with what we call wamnitu, or germs in the water. You know, this planet was much different back then.

And then it went to, I think it's insects, and then arachnids, and other other like maybe reptiles as soon as it moved from from water to land and then other things developed those are the those are the teachers like like the spider for instance there's all of these all of these teachers that are still here that that that give spiritual authority and the ability to offer yourself and to conduct certain ceremonies for particular kinds of healings. The songs that were given to us by the coyotes, for instance, or the birds, for instance. The only reason why it's the two-leggers that are eating the other beings

is because of, in our knowledge system, a great race that happened. And the human being is not the only two-legged. The birds are also on two legs. And even the bear can come up to two legs at times. So that makes him, he can see our world and he knows that other four-legged world too. But these gifts and the knowledge system that we know, they come from being scientists, they come from being empiricists, they come from being astronomers, from observing all of the... And they come from the plants too.

The plants have given us the ability to heal ourselves. Just in Lakota tradition, 405 sacred herbs for every ailment and yes with the advancement of you know western medicine is a good thing if I break a bone I'm going into the docks to reset it you know what I mean but there's also ancient knowledge on how to cure some of those things

there's different plants that it's the same with ayahuasca you know I read the cosmic serpent and I've never Jeremy Narby fantastic I've never jeremy narby fantastic oh i've never taken that journey but like i respect it anything that shoots you through and and helps you liberate and helps you appreciate what you are and who you are um we're for that we're for the medicine i will say if you you know of all the medicines if you ever have the opportunity to work with one, you know, each of them have a seat at the table.

They're all incredibly special. But ayahuasca in particular is an earthbound medicine. You know, psilocybin can be almost extraterrestrial at times where you're completely out of your body. You're in a whole different realm. But there's always earth medicine with aya. You know, that's from the vine. Just. But there's always earth medicine with ayah. That's from the vine, just ties you right to the earth through the cord. When they asked the shaman, the interpreters of the sacred,

the medicine people, the doctors, western medicine, western medically trained doctors asked these indigenous people, how do you know that this particular root is too strong for the human receptors, you know, the, what do you call them, synapses, dendrites, whatever is receiving that, how do you know that this other plant inhibits that so just enough gets in?

How is that possible? And then the natives were like, the plants told us. And so they were like, the plants told us. And so they're like, the plants told you? What are you talking about? It's the same in our way. If somebody is ailed with a sickness, they'll petition a medicine person. They'll take a loaded chanupa, a sacred pipe to them.

And they'll say, I need help. You know, omakiyayo, can you help me? And sometimes that medicine person will dream of a particular herb in a particular place, will come to him or her in a visionary state, and then they'll go get that herb. I've seen, I

was too young to know what was going on, but my first teacher, he healed a young girl and the cancer went into remission. Right? And so there's a lot of there's a lot of work and some people say well maybe that's just within the human potential you know there's a little yeah placebo there's something in the back of mind in the mind it's always questioning it's always doubting it's always demanding more proof and i i used to be

like that i was i so i so wonder that my mom didn't beat me because all I ever did was doubt everything she told me all the knowledge she was trying to pass on well how is that how is that possible how does that hypothesis stand up you know what I mean can it be replicated like shut up boy but she she was never like that she went to a boarding school so she suffered a lot of that abuse in those places. But it took a while to grow up and be like, okay, we just need to take action with our bodies and our faculties. Those of us are blessed to have the faculties and the consciousness and the awareness. We just need to do the work if it's if it's a a session you know a

yoga session or if it's maybe it's breath work or maybe it's digging in and deconstructing western psychology like what you know what what makes the human being or you know maybe the character or uh the the player you know i heard aubrey use a term i heard a brother eric use a different term you know like you guys are all doing the work. You're all trying to dig into that and achieve at least some stasis and put us on a path of evolution. All kinds of evolution. You know, not only the spiritual, the mental, physical, emotional. All the pillars, romantic, even financial.

I respect that because we need that kind of a movement. You know, human beings need that kind of a movement, not just native people. But so these, the ceremonies are, they're still alive. They're still with us. They're on the Pine Ridge Reservation, just for Lakota people, Pine Ridge, Rosebud, all of what is now called South

Dakota, North Dakota, you know, Nebraska, Minnesota, Montana. That's where our people still live. Now, when we come over here, now we're in the Diné Nation, the Navajo Nation. This is, you know, Apache, Yavapai. There's probably other peoples that I don't know about from here. But when I come here, first thing I do is, you know, put out some tobacco and ask for permission to, you know, safe travel mercies. Hey, whatever's here in the land, whatever spirits are here,

whatever beings are here, you know, just recognize me and I'm traveling through. You know what I mean? And you ask for safe passage and that's a real thing. Some people will be like, yo, that's a superstitious kind of thing. I did that on a soul wonder.

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It's a more informed way to live. And when you do righteous work like that, when you take those steps to walk in a proper or a more respectful manner, the powers of creation see that. And they bless that path. It doesn't, you know, I don't keep track anymore, but sometimes when things happen

and you try to explain them, you can see that there's energies that are putting things in front of you, that are making things happen in your day, that are assisting you. And you can tap into those energies. You can tap into those powers. And for what are called indigenous peoples now, tribal nations, we still have the protocol ways, the covenant ways of asking for that kind of help. There's a petitioning. You might say like a ritualized way of asking for that kind of help. And it's been with us.

It changed over. Tradition changes all the time. And that's what, you know, natives have been, just for the Western world, have been kind of captured in this late 1800s motif and way of, they've been fetishized, you know, for a long time. But when you meet us, hey, we're going through the same things you're going through. And we're trying to figure it all out too and heal ourselves and and be be a good relative what means like a relative or an ally it also means other deeper things like uh together in love forever but to be a native person it's about the ethos behind that

it's not about the skin color it's not about any of the phenotypic things but it is about the language the song the ceremony and the ethos with which we navigate this current reality and it's it's hardcore it's hard it's hard to do like we were talking earlier about you know working in i have another good bro who works in the oil field there, in our system of corporate extraction, kind of petrochemical domination, you might say, it's hard for human beings to do. There's almost no right way to walk through things. We're all just kind of navigating. We all have to feed ourselves,

shelter, clothing, and the necessities. And sometimes you've got to trade your labor to do that. And sometimes that labor is being you know exploited by certain forces corporate forces and you know the working class of america and the global working class is just has it rough um so we got to forgive ourselves for some of those things but we still fight when they tell us the world's ending. That's a fatalistic mythology. I don't want to believe that the world is ending, but even if it is, there's other human beings that are causing that collapse.

So why don't we stand? Let's go down swinging. Let's go down swinging. Let's stand up. And we do that just by knowing the power of our own peace. Because when you know the power of peace and you're able to seek a spiritual liberation, well, now, you don't care, no matter what the odds are, nobody can tell me or deny me my natural birthrights, my human rights, and extend that to your constitutional rights or your treaty rights.

You're not going to live that way you're going to stand up on your on you know 10 toes down to the earth fully planted and your your hands up to the sun you know forming that energy channel and that's that's who we are as human beings that's our potential but as you know it's not everybody is there and we're we're doing our best i see you doing your best i see you we're trying to to just share that and lead by example so people can say what is going on there you know that what these guys are engaged in is a form of medicine and i want some of that i want some of that healing for myself, for my family. Anyway, that's what I thought when, like I said, we didn't know. We came to share. We didn't think of how is what's here at Fit for Service going to impact us. We didn't. That wasn't my frame of mind.

I was just more worried about what am I going to share? Am I going to share the right things? am I going to share the right things? Am I going to share the appropriate things? And we've been getting great feedback, and it's an exchange now. It's an exchange. The disciplines that you guys have been cultivating, I want to learn from that. Yeah, brother, I want to talk about that. Something you brought up, though, that only in recent years, you know,

as I've taken my deep dive into conspiracy theories has been through food you know it's been through like my own healing process and figuring out you know big agriculture big will be all big everything right big pharma and the capture of medicine via rockefeller medicine and what happened early on with that is the discrediting of all things that worked that weren't controlled by the that worked that weren't controlled by the pharmaceutical industry that weren't controlled by big medicine so i mean all natural remedies right all all all um all housemaid ointments all plant-based medicines all ceremonies for healing all those things were called woo woo all those things were were basically canon if you were a

doctor who practiced both you need to be shunned or they'd take your fucking license. Right? And there's video footages of guys saying, like, no, this works, it cures cancer. Fucking gone. Right? But in other countries, like Iran and Israel, as science came up, they didn't shit on the folklore of the old.

They said, oh, this Syrian root plant does something special. There's a whole book on Pagnanum harmala,rian rue it's a cousin to pomegranate it kills cancer it's antiviral it's anti-parasitic it also happens to be just like the vine of ayahuasca so if you take that with dmt or psilocybin it potentiates the experience wow right so there's plants like that and they study this it's in a book called tim traditional iranian medicine okay right where like they actually you know they say oh you revere this let's let's put science like that and they study this it's in a book called Tim traditional Iranian medicine Okay, right. We're like they actually you know, they say oh you revere this let's let's put science behind that and that that to me is really special because They didn't just throw the baby out with the bathwater. They said if there is something here I want to let's prove it scientifically and they did

Israel's been studying cannabis longer than any other country. I think for 40 years They've been studying it looking at they know about other cannabinoids outside of thc right a long time ago a long time ago a long time ago they knew about d-limonene and and terpenes that could kill cancer and help with that kind of stuff but it's it's i say it because it's a shame of what's happened here at the same time there's a genuine draw and with the internet the cream rises to the top people want this information it's there for them now and and there are a lot of seekers i love that you use that term yes because i've been a seeker you've been a seeker yeah and when you're a seeker and you see that something works it's let's fucking try it let's go through

it right and so tell us about your breathwork journey because that was the first time you got to experience that right wow uh i didn't know what to expect. I'd been through a guided meditation before and I remember Because I come from the Lakota tradition and because I was raised with the sweat lodge With the Sundance with the vision quest With the hunkah ceremony with the other the other ceremonies that I've witnessed or taking part in We have seven ceremonies, but because I come from that When I go out and explore we all have the freedom to explore that's that's that's in our will that's our right and so when i when i explored the guided meditation that was a few years ago i was i was not

doubtful but you don't know what it is, and you don't know if it quote-unquote works. But I'm going through this guided meditation, and the person leading us is, you know, we're mimicking his poses. He's making certain chants and vocalizing certain noises, and we're mimicking that, and then he's telling us how to breathe. He's breathing that way. And I started to leave my body. I remember I'm in a pose, and I started to leave my body. I remember I'm in a pose and I started to leave my body

and I quickly was like, what is that? What's going on? Snap myself back into this vessel. But I respected it. See, before that I had read about, I'd read the Bhagavad Gita, the Song of God, Krishna's Council in a Time of War. I've never really dug in any real way into the Upanishads or the Vedas, but I read a lot of other things, you know, that have given me the language

to come here and be able to speak with you, speak with Brother Eric, Aubrey, the crew, right? We're making connections on that level. So, me and three of my brothers that we came with, we're like, yo, what is this breath work?

You know, let's go check it out. So we go down there. And we get down there early. We get our spot. And Kat says, when you guys do this, you guys should split up. You know, one of you there, there, there, and there. Put distance between each other because you just want to give it your full experience. And you want to be concentrated in it.

And so we all very quickly talked amongst ourselves and said, look it, try this out, give yourselves to it. Surrender yourself to it. Even though it's something new, it's something different, it's just breath. It's just breath. What could that... And my one buddy was like, yeah, I thought it was going to be like a be like a i don't know i thought i was gonna go to sleep doing it you know and uh i'll tell you uh i can't remember the brother's name who made the the music but viana is on the vocals with

john hopkins yeah holy man um ritual i thought they were hyping that up i thought i thought aubrey was hyping that up like get gassing up his bro you know and uh no man um so you know it starts and aubrey is guiding us through it and all you guys and the facilitators are all there. And we can see you. We know that you're there to help us. And it's explained in the beginning. Well, here's what, you know, here's how it's going to go. And those instructions are very important because when you give yourself to it. Now, I laid down to do the breathing. And Aubrey is guiding us through the breathing.

And I'm giving myself to it and then I think whatever it was, 20 breaths or I started to feel some energy, some involuntary process happening to my body and it started to scare me. Just like in Italy when I got scared and I got back, I jumped back into my body. I was like, you know what, even I might go unconscious here, I don't know. And that was kind of, it was holding me back, I was holding myself back in that way. But regardless of that, the energy was so powerful, and it starts slow. For me, it's different for everybody, but it started slow for me and it got to a certain

point where I realized I wasn't going to become unconscious. But you keep your eyes closed. Your eyes are closed. There's music, there's vibration, there's Aubrey's voice or whoever's facilitating. The voice is guiding some of your consciousness stream. And then it became so powerful that I felt like I was levitating. I felt like my body was overtaken by this medicine or this energy. And this is just breath.

This is just whatever, you know, in our tradition, the grandfather's breath that when you come out of the womb and you take that first breath, now you're unified and you're interdependent with all of creation in that way. Everything under Shka, under the dome of the sky, where this ocean of air is, right? You're now there in union. So the breath is sacred.

It's a wonia waka or pr. So the breath is sacred. It's a or prana. The breath is sacred. And, and so I was, and then I remember the instructions that Aubrey gave. If you, as soon as you realize that you, you can kind of put a hand on the driver's wheel, if you want, you could also next, there's more to learn. There's more to do. This is like the intro. It completely changed me. I felt like I was levitating,

and that the energy was so strong that my hands curled up, right? They call that tetany, but I just feel like that's fucking maximum chi. Man. Maximum prana. I don't need a medical name for that. When my fingers go like that, I know I've successfully breathed my way into an altered state

Yes, and so and then you're still conscious So so you that's a medicine. That's a power. That's a sacred medicine a walk whoa, I can't just energy flowing through us and that's as soon as I realized that I could I'm conscious and It was a healing, you know, I invited it in. And I felt like there was this, this ellipse or this, this loop of energy, of healing energy. And at first my head had a little headache and then it went away after, after it overtook my body. And then I started to think maybe this is the, maybe this is the medicine. It's healing something in there. It's, it's this it's dispelling something maybe I had some thoughts

or some things and you you go on your own journey but I I wanted to to address some some childhood things some personal things some challenges and so there's an opportunity to let go, and there's an opportunity to bring in such a powerful healing that I would describe it as supernatural. Because yes, it happens through some physiological process that you need teachers to guide you through. And I mean, maybe you can do it by yourself, but with other people, with their energies and their vibrations, and with teachers who've got decades into it and who are trying to learn how to do it in a positive, healthy way

and to keep it within the medicine, that was very special. That was very special. And now I want my children, I want our youth group, I want young people to be able to experience that because it's an instant graduation, an instant liberation from the body and for what you think, what you or I or me thinks is real and what what the what the potentials are of our own vessel it's all it's right within us and that activation um yes the selfish part of me is like hey man let's go explore that more like right now but i want to i want to take time with it yeah and and then approach it and yeah all right guys we're also brought to you by caldera and the lab first impressions matter there are no two ways around it what's the first thing that

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and we have the rest of the day here so this i plan on this being like one of many podcasts with you yeah yeah i'm completely fine with that uh we can explore the journey you know there's just by the exchange of information from from us participating together in whatever's going on. Okay. We're gonna run more of these back for sure, so I'm not too worried about it. We need a little shade guy, one of the little boxes you put over it.

He travels in his gear. You see Aubrey's gear inside? Yeah, yeah. The whole mix. Good? Yeah, we can jump right back in and talking about the, It was just special. Just now again?

Yeah. One of the things the UN and the Paris Climate... We can get into this. Everything's bastardized. So our water's fucked. We need to clean. And the earth is heating up because of the sun and a whole bunch of other factors. Right. Including us being idiots.

Yeah, yeah. We're in the wrong shit. But they want to turn the power off in places yeah people to get solar is not quite clean energy no there's a big giant extractor process exactly so it's like you're not burning coal for it but how'd you fucking get that out of the ground all the lithium all that shit how do you recycle it right so it was just it's it's it's silly to me but they were doing this in Houston. Houston's hot as fuck, right?

Yeah. Where they turn the air up. They put it at like 86 degrees at night. Yeah. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. We can start right back there. His name is John Hoppians, just like from the University of Oregon.

John's. John's. John. John. It makes me think of Step Brothers when he's like, John Hopkins and Sloane Kettering, we were blazing that shit up. Oh, yeah. No, you weren't.

I was like, no, you weren't. Yeah. Okay, the hype of John Hopkins, a ritual song. Yeah. Okay. It's because of the heat. Let me know when we're on. We had a battery change out here, so a little overlap.

But you were talking about how Aubrey, in your mind, you thought he was hyping up John Hopkins' work. You thought Ritual couldn't be as good as he was saying it was. Yeah, you know, that composition, that body of work that John Hopkins did, I honestly was like, these guys are hyping it up too much. You know, Aubrey was saying it's the greatest work in mankind. You know, we don't got to go with that hey everything has its own medicine its own era but i will say that i'm very very grateful that john came up with that and that violana

blessed it with her voice and that aubrey was guiding us through that session because it overtook me. And for people who've never done it, that was my first time. And I want to let the process come through me. I don't want to have these mental hang-ups about, hey, you're losing control. Hey, how long is this extremely potent vibr potent vibrational energy gonna take over my body, you know

Like there's a little the little gerbil up there is like yo, how long is that gonna last? Are you gonna be able to stop that? You know when you're when your hands start you receiving that energy? How you know, there's there's I just want to give myself to the process I remember at one point I sat up because it was too much. The medicine was very, very powerful. The medicine that is coming through your own processes and by your own volition. You're going through a guided breathwork session. And there's other sensory inputs like a smudge, sage smoke, sacred herbs.

Sweet grass. Sweet grass, body sprays, things that, you know, rattles. Wagamuja is what we call those. And it's sacred work. It's powerful work, and I respect it, and I want to pursue it. I want to learn more about it. Afterwards, it was completely sublime, serene. I felt like I'd been shot with some ectoplasm or something.

You know what I mean? Like Ghostbusters. I just felt like I feel really, really, really good. And water just seemed like ambrosia or like the nectar of the gods or the medicine that I needed. Just water. And, you know, we experienced that from Sundance, too, and Vision Quest. But this was just a few hours. I don't even know how long it was.

There's no time. There's no time in that space. There's your heartbeat and your consciousness and your spiritual movement. And I was so grateful for the water. It felt like it was cleansing. It felt like, you know, one of our great prophets, his name is Fool's Crow, Chief Frank Fool's Crow. And my first medicine man was a student of his, a disciple of his. And he talks about the vessel being a hollow bone. You know, the more respect that you walk with, the more that you are humble before the gods,

not necessarily before other human beings, but before the gods, the more that you open your seat up, the more that you become a hollow bone and the more healing can flow through that vessel. the more healing can flow through that vessel. The more clarity can flow through that vessel. And then that's how you share the healing. And I'm looking forward to it, to another session.

But like I said, I don't want to read. I don't want to intellectualize the thing. I want to go through it. Because that knowledge which comes or the wisdom that comes from experiencing things and really giving yourself to it and And you you're you're you're trying to make sense of it You know whether it's the ego the mind or the spirit or whatever all of it together really? That's sometimes the best way to learn yeah, but but very, very comfortable, very confident that we have the teachers here.

They're already in your network. They're your peoples, you know, like we already have what we need. Yeah, it's incredible. I think one of the things of all the journeys that I've done, I've walked a similar path as Aubrey with mostly plant medicines. But as I said, I did start with the sweat and the anipi and the temescal and something that i you know from fighting and getting banged up and having really high nerves you know like really maximum energy to then the fights over you know win or lose you know it just

feels like everything's like like life is muted and it's something i recognize too with uh my brothers and sisters that get out of like the military that are used to hot you know being at a certain level that it doesn't they can't get it anymore but i think um of all the medicine journeys and i have not experienced the sun dance yet but i have many friends like my brother porongi and ken conti and um who described it i think from the nervous system reset and it's not me trying to make it Western medicine, but breath work and the sweat clear the nervous system in a way that few other things do. You know, like we get out of tune from daily life

and like we got to find how to retune. Like where do I find that scale again? Where's the A note? Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. Yeah, yeah. Right? And that tuning fork that is our vessel comes back into harmony through the breath work as well as through the sweat it retunes us it

squeezes us out and and because it's self-driven in the same way i feel new again when i come out that's what the sweat like you reference the womb that's it's a rebirth it's a it's a it's a way to renew yourself to regenerate yourself your your body, your spirit, everything. And a lot of times, a lot of my people will say that, like, man, I just need a good hot sweat. I hear them say that all the time. And it's true. And the whole cosmology is contained within the sweat lodge. Like if you look at the sweat lodge here, it touches the earth at 16 points.

Well, those are those 16 gods that we got into in our session a couple days ago. The covering, the darkness, and then the stone itself is the former supreme primordial god that sacrificed itself and gave of its power, gave its blood. And its blood is blue. Its blood is water. Its blood is the water, not only here on this planet, but wherever

else there's water in the universe, the known and the unknowable universe. The blue of the blood is the dome around the earth, you know, the atmosphere. That's Shka. And so the stone is Ian. You know, the atmosphere, that's Shka. And so the stone is Iyam. You know, that's his name now. It's always been his name, but he's number four. He's number four among the gods, not number one. And you reunite, you heat him up, right? There's a chemical, there's a shift, there's a change. There's an altered state for the god itself.

And then you bring in the water. So now you're pouring you're you're reuniting you know with his blood and when you pour the water that's that's that's uh that's grandfather's breath and that that is the sound of the universe that is the sound of creation and it uh it does something else to you it you know it in. And it detoxifies you. It pushes out impurities. And then you add to that the songs, the sacred songs. Now, I don't know what's happening scientifically there.

But I've done this ceremony my whole life. So it's like it's relearning the own power, our own power that we've been exercising for a very, very long time. And learning more about it, being able to transmit it to people who are alive in the 21st century, to being able to translate it to our young native people who are also facing those same challenges, who are also being raised by... What the hell does Eric call this? The shimmer! The shimmer, bro! You know, it's a real thing. The artificial intelligence, the way it's taking... it's changing. You might call it an evolution, you might call it a regression, but it's changing the way the human beings are navigating their experience. And so we want to uplift these ancient traditions, ancient technologies, ancient knowledge systems that are still alive today so that we can share that with the world.

It's not happening at the rate or the scale that you know i've i've been interested in that path for for a long time probably like again as eric might say that probably connected to the dharma you know what i mean your purpose your meaning like what you're here to do we all every single human being has that has a purpose has a meaning has a purpose, has a meaning, has a direction. And it's not often or it's unfortunate that the circumstances and the economic realities that we inherit inhibit that path. There's a spiritual inclination and a proclivity to seek that path, but the reality of you know

abstracted labor for instance it makes it more difficult but that doesn't mean that every human being is not seeking that or that they're not they don't have that potential they do we do we just have to you know see things in different ways and continue to share the medicine absolutely brother and i feel like the the accessibility you know like people talk about privilege and there's many ways of looking at that but like yes i was privileged or fortunate enough to have a coach where that was his background that was his life that's what he lived and he felt like sharing it with me he said i was the first white guy he ever had there at the reservation with him and i just laughed and he's like you don't understand because when he grew up in san jose

you know he had racism from everybody he was mixed he was mestizo mexicans didn't like him they're like look at this little guy he's not a real mexican you know and then the purebloods thought it was this guy's mixed with mexican he's not he's not one of us you know so he got it from everybody especially white people and but um yeah i was privileged to have that opportunity and to be brought into that and to have access to that to show me a different way and i think via a podcast like this and the willingness of people like you you know i'll give you a prime example i posted not a picture of the sweat because i didn't want to be um disrespectful but a picture at the sweat

at the reservation which was thumbed up a thumbs up by um the caretaker of the land and somebody chimed in online of course was like hey that's not you shouldn't be doing that that's not for you that's for our people not your people and i said well i actually asked the caretaker of the land that she said if we don't share our medicine now who will we share it with we won't have the opportunity to share this anymore and i know that's not a feeling across the board but i i feel uh commonality yes the way that you share your traditions with people as a means of letting us like the rising tide lifts all ships let's all go together we're all coming in a respectful way in a way that honors the traditions

and is looking for the appropriate bridges to be built. I went through the same thing. Where I started Sundancing in 2009, we were working on the grounds, you know, on the arbor. And I wanted to take a picture of my nephew who was helping me work on the grounds. And I asked the medicine man he said yeah that's fine as long as you know the tree's not up just you know we just get a picture of the nephew and the grounds he's working on and I posted it online with the permission of the medicine person same thing immediate backlash you know you're not supposed to take pictures of that and look at

you you you just make a call I don't i don't believe we diminish the potency of things by taking a picture of it um yes there's there's a fine line to walk and you want to be respectful you don't want to exploit it or present it improperly but our kids are already incorporating every aspect of technology technological advancement so it's not that i believe in taking pictures of the sweat lodge i believe in sharing the power and the substance the principles and the teachings and the sweat lodge doesn't belong to the lakota people it doesn't belong to my people the sundance doesn't belong to my people alone you know the vision quest doesn't just belong to us every Certainly every indigenous culture in the past 500 years on what is called the Western Hemisphere

Has a version of the Sundance some people call it the thirst and some people call it many other things They have a sweat lodge. I mean the Finnish have a sweat lodge to this day vision questing and fasting that that isn't Peculiar but but but it comes with the power dynamic because To this day, vision questing and fasting, that isn't peculiar, but it comes with a power dynamic. Because those traditions were erased and because our own esteem in them has been degraded and diminished and attacked, our people are very protective of them. And I understand that.

I'm not trying to fault them. They have a role to protect it. But for for me in the last 20 years of my life I don't you know I don't have any interest in policing it is you know coming to Sedona I remember when them people perished in the sweat lodge run run by James Ray I was in I was in a college then at ASU when that happened. So those are very big moments where obviously something exploitative or improper or unsafe. It absolutely was exploited though because he had no experience with it nor did he bring anyone. You talk about like Porongi refused to pour sweat until he had gone through four times through the Sundance, right? He knew what the fuck he was doing.

Yeah, I remember. He could have done an excellent, but he wouldn't pour because of the level of respect, right? This is, so Krodog, you know, Chief of Chiefs Krodog, sharing the culture, sharing the way of life, the sacred way of life, the ceremonies. You know how many people I've met that are not Lakota who know Lakota knowledge systems and some of the songs and they know we're helping people to save themselves. We're helping people to help themselves to deliver themselves from relative ignorance, you might say. There's a spiritual discipline that people are picking up. And it's helping them.

So I'm with that. Like my teachers were like that. My first teacher is a man named Sonny Richards. He was like that. And he got criticized for it. You know, when they made a movie and he approved of a sweat lodge scene. Where they just filmed the outside of it. They filmed people getting out of it.

And he took a lot of heat for that. And I remember it because I was real young. I remember him being criticized. I remember how he felt. Same thing I went through at Burning Man. You know, I went to Burning Man. And that was like a setup. But I mean a setup in the sense that it was a global drum prayer.

Maybe 20 Native people were there to participate. There's Native people who go to Burning Man every single year. All of my Paiute people, brothers and sisters, Shoshone, they live right there. They're always there. This particular year was after Standing Rock. And anyway, I was going there to share and I was facing six years in prison at the time for some political activism, some civil, peaceful, prayerful, you know, activism. And we were trying to gain support to get the charges dropped. And we had an opportunity to speak at Burning Man. But it was blown. There was kind of like a political hit piece, I'd say.

Rumors of Iron Eyes selling ceremony at Burning Man. I got in trouble again with the Rainbow. It's called the rainbow gathering and the rainbow family um i've always been a bridge builder and but but because of the the traditions and the you know some of the the complexes and the biases and the way that my people think you might say or a certain percentage the federal indian is no we're not you know like sitting bull says um the reservation Indian, and he's talking from 1890, right before that, the reservation Indian is neither white farmer nor red warrior.

He is neither wolf nor dog. So the native people that are alive today who are unaware of the colonial conditioning of their very identity are not, they're neither wolf nor dog. And I'm trying to walk to be a wolf, you know what I mean? And to keep that frame of mind open. I believe in sharing. When we went to lodge in Austin, I was the only identifiably Northern Plains kind of native or Northern Hemisphere or North American kind of native. I didn't know Porangi was native, but what I did know is Porangi knew the songs and there's about four other brothers in there including Ken, Jimmy, whoever else knew the songs. Like if I wasn't't there that sweat lodge is still going to be

carried on in an appropriate way but because i was there then poor angie yo there's a lakota brother here would you like to share something absolutely man like it was an honor to be there and i felt there's no accident when would you ever see an entire presidential campaign team and fit for service in the same lodge it uh who knows what it what it leads to who knows what it is what the meaning is where it ends up i'm not worried about that we give ourselves to that and we and again sinibal one of our great visionaries whatever is good for him it was the white man whatever is good in that road though whatever is good in this road you you pick it up and whatever is good in that road though whatever is good in this road you pick it up

and whatever is bad in that road you leave it there that's not just for in his time that was his first encounter with Europeans we're together now so we have to take a look at this other you know

imposed secular world that is diminishing our human potential. And if there's anything good there, then let's take it with us. If we can use technology in a good way, let's do that. But whatever is bad there, all the carcinogens, everything from big agriculture and so forth, leave that there. And let's try to reignite our our medicinal potential you know from within ourselves and from with the plant teachers that are here absolutely

brother well it's been an honor to get to know you i was so excited uh to hear that you were going to be here but then even more excited that you brought family with you these guys are just fucking incredible so incredible and incredible on the courts too oh man that was basketball players and i suck at basketball i played like one year in high school i was a wrestler i had to make my choice you know i was like i'm six almost six four i should do it for a year um just went right back to wrestling after that these guys could hoop and then we got we got on the volleyball court and same thing, like smashing in volleyball. One guy spiked on Aubrey right at the net. That had to be Hank.

Ozuya. Yeah, it was. And it's funny you call him Hank. Henry was my granddad's name. So I like seeing all these synchronicities too, you know? Yeah. No, you get here and that's what did it for me on the court with you and Aubrey. I didn't get to go head-to-head up with Brent, but some of the, you know, Eric, the crew,

when you play against each other, and you know this. My son, he's a wrestler. He says, well, Dad, you can't play wrestling. You can play basketball, though. Love that. You know what I'm saying? He's always saying little things like that. But combat, that is a different level. That's a martial art then.

And I'm not trying to downgrade basketball. You've got to work very hard and it's true competition. But when you and I, you guarded me. So I was like, man, this guy's big, dude. You're big and I had to I had to adjust I had to adjust to that and but but you didn't go easy and I didn't go easy Aubrey certainly isn't going easy we had to calm people down because it's getting competitive out there and there's a certain that's like a cipher that's a ho choka there's a there's There's people agreeing to compete and give their best. And you want to beat me, I want to beat you. And when we clash, whenever there's a winner, you win just like you lose.

And you respect your opponent. And that was the first time I played in more than 10 years. And actually, going to Lockhart, when I saw the 50 pull-up and 100 push-up challenge, and I was about 15, 20 pounds heavier at the time. I kicked my ass back into gear because I was, look at Bobby, 70 years old. How is he doing this? And then you and another, I don't remember the other brother's name, another tall guy, beard, led us in some basic calisthenics.

Aaron Alexander. Yes, sir. Good buddy, yeah. And I couldn't, I was just, I couldn't do it. I was like, damn. Like, I've let myself go this winter. Every winter I let myself go. But not this one.

Like, I'm really serious about becoming fit for service. Like, it kind of, it impacted me fromxas from the farm uh now to be able to hoop here there there's there's a thing happening you know and i said i haven't moved my body like that in a while i pulled a little just a little twinge in the calf but a couple days i'll be ready to go again yeah um anyway thank you for that there's a healing here there's a healing going on here and i'm honored to be a part of it. We're honored to have you as a part of it, brother. And I'm honored to continue to walk the path with you.

It's a true blessing. And, um, I look forward to more, look forward to more on the podcast. Yeah. Look forward to more in the sweat and all the greatness that's to come. Thank you, brother. Thank you, brother. The final year we're doing fit for service as fit for service has stood for six years if you've had any interest in coming to our events any interest in working with me this is the last

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