Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #382 The Healing Power of Voice - Awakening Through Sound w/ Nathan Riley & Maryn Azoff

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

In this episode, Dr. Nathan Riley, a holistic OBGYN, and Maryn Azoff, a professional singer turned plant medicine practitioner, discuss the transformative power of voice and chanting. Dr. Riley shares his journey of integrating holistic practices into childbirth, while Maryn recounts how her journey from professional singing to plant medicine led her to discover the deep healing potential of the human voice. They explore the science and ancient wisdom behind cymatics, frequency, and polyvagal theory, and how these can harmonize the nervous system. The episode delves into the impact of voice activation on personal healing and spiritual growth, emphasizing the importance of reconnecting with one's innate instincts and the Earth's intelligence.    Connect with Nathan & Maryn here: Instagram - Maryn Instagram - Nathan 7-week Chakra cohort 40 days of chanting, including 7 group calls with Nathan and Maryn   Maryn's website: www.vocaltransformation.com   Nathan's website: www.belovedholistics.com     Our Sponsors: - GO to MagicBag.co that is DOT CO, and use code: KKP at checkout! - Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy.  Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. - Take the guesswork out of nutrition with @True Nutrition and get 15% off with code KKP at truenutrition.com/KKP!   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu  Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App  Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth  Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site   If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome back to the podcast. Today we have two amazing guests. We have the return of my brother, Dr. Nathan Riley, the holistic OBGYN. He's been on the show a handful of times, always teaching incredible stuff. He's check trained, licensed MD. He has helped deliver a baby as well as help someone cross over to the next plane of existence, all in the same 24 hour cycle, similar to Zach Bush and just a incredible, incredible human, one of my dear brothers and somebody I've learned a ton from somebody I continue to learn a ton from. And anytime Nathan tells me about a book, I get that book in one day, I'll buy the book, I'll start it by the end of the week. He's never served me wrong in saying listen to this podcast

by this book. And he's never served me wrong or led me wrong in introducing me to someone. And he introduced me to his friend, Marin Azoff, who was a professional singer and got into plant medicines and actually unlocked quite a bit when it comes to the voice, chanting, the vocal cords, and how that relates to the human body. We discuss cymatics and frequency and how that correlates with different chakras. And we don't, we, you know, what I love about Nathan is that he's, he's down for the woo woo, but he always brings it back to science-based and the understanding of how we actually work. So polyvagal theory is discussed in this and our understanding that through tuning and chanting, we can actually harmonize and bring our nervous system into coherence. And from that, we can operate from

our center. You know, a lot of people meditate, and it's very hard to meditate. You know, if you have no experience with that, you can't sit still. Well, that's because your nervous system's out of whack. So if we can address that first, meditation is possible. Yoga, the practice of yoga was done specifically so that you could lay there in Shavasana and have a quiet mind. And what's really cool is that chanting is a at least 6,000 year old practice. It's written about in the Rig Veda and many other places. And it's really cool, but I've never really had the guidance from experts until now. So I'm very excited about this. I actually just had my only journey on the land this year. And a big portion of that was spent with me singing, believe it or not, I was solo. So I wouldn't do that in a crowded room with ayahuasca

wouldn't do that with a group of homies. But because I was solo on the land, and the only people around me were the deer. It was fucking fantastic. I could feel my body unlock in different places. I had pain in my neck that vanished and stayed gone. So this is very real and it's not something you don't have to take my word for it. Don't believe my N equals one. Just listen to this podcast. You guys are going to dig it and you guys will learn a lot from this. I'm very excited. They're going to be rolling out a teaching program with this not too long from now.

So I'm very excited for that. You can sign up now. We'll link to everything in the show notes. Nathan and Marin, welcome to the podcast. I'm very excited to have you both. Nathan is the holistic OBGYN, Uncle Doctor Nathan, as we call him in the family. We've been super close over the last three or four years, got to meet at Paul Chuck's 60th birthday and dove deep together and had a very challenging experience that we came out of that as brothers in arms, literally in arms,

watching the full moon, you know, just holding each other tight. So holding me like a baby. And anything, you know, Nathan is one of the few people that I can count on one hand. So if Nathan tells me you got to get this book, I'll buy it by the end of the day and I'll start reading it within a week. And he's just, he's everything he's recommended to me has been such a game changer. You know, after a couple of those, I was like, all right, we got him. He's high on the list here. So any recommendations I take from Nathan very seriously. And he was telling me a bit about your work, Marin, and what you're doing.

And it's really cool because synchronistically, you know, I just had a journey on the land here and a lot of it was about voice activation and not even knowing what I was doing, just singing along to the playlist. And in most ceremonies, whether it's ayahuasca or even a small journey with mushrooms amongst friends, if there's other people there, it's rude to sing. It's rude to like take over the journey and, you know, noble silence. And so I've always been quiet. So it was a unique journey in that I was alone and yet I felt compelled to sing. Like I had to and it shifted so much within me.

And so the timing of this podcast and that very recent journey that was just a week ago is pretty cool to see these things line up. So I'm very excited. I'd love to start with you, Marin. I'd love to know about your background. What was life like growing up? What were your interests and what brought you to the work that you're here today? And then we can weave Nathan's story into this where you guys pair up. Yeah, beautiful. It's great to be here. Thank you for having me. And it's quite a path that I

walked on, but it started very young at about four years old they found my voice there was some abuse going on at home which I never spoke of and unbeknownst to me then now much later finding out that when I first used my voice it was a time where I could have gotten very quiet something in my soul something about what I'm here to do, made me sing for the first time. And something about my youth, who I was, knew that this was going to be therapy for me. I didn't know it then, but now looking back at the path and how it's brought me to here, I know exactly what little Maren was doing. And I'm so proud of her for doing it. But so once they found my voice, they of course saw there was a talent. So what do we do with the talent? We say, oh, wow,

there's a gift there. Like, let's, let's use this thing. Let's, let's get it moving. And so they put me in voice lessons. So I've been classically trained. I was raised to want to be a professional singer. I went down that entire path. But it wasn't too long into, I was 19 when I stopped singing professionally, because I was riddled with insecurity. And it was underneath everything, even though I was, I was getting some success, I was getting shows, and I was with a record label, and like things were happening. But I had this person inside that was set to compete, right? So once you actually like have a gift in any kind of art, like say musical theater is what I was really into in singing, you're now going to auditions and you're competing against your peers

and you're being trained to be the best at something. And because that voice was being used as a therapy for me, it very quickly became like, this was an obligation almost. Like I was known as the voice. I was known, I'm the singer. Everywhere I went, Maren, sing us something. Maren, sing us something. And at first I loved it. It was attention. But then I also didn't love it because it was like my, who I was. And there was so much about me that I wanted more of there to be. And there was so much insecurity there. So it's a very long story, but to make a very long story, as short as I can, I ended up deciding that I was leaving music, that I just didn't want to be,

I was miserable deep down inside and that there wasn't joy in it. Even though I was like seemingly getting somewhere, um, there was a miserable girl there. So I quit,. Even though I was like seemingly getting somewhere, there was a miserable girl there. So I quit, left and decided I am not a singer. I went to Australia from New York and I just decided I was going to find a whole new life, which I did. I got into organics and the environment, which was really big then. And I opened an organic cafe and like had a whole life and then found my way to an ashram random but to an ashram not so random in Australia that a customer of my cafe brought me to and it was an ashram in in Australia that in in Cessnock which is about 30 miles outside of Sydney and the whole place was in drought but I turned a left up the road

to this ashram and the ashram was growing fruit trees and all sorts of crops. And the farmland was so fertile, but yet all the land around it wasn't. This ashram was an Agnihotra ashram. So I don't know if you've heard of what that is, but it's a Vedic fire ritual where you chant mantra over a copper pyramid with cow dung, ghee, and brown rice. This little Jewish girl from Rockland County, New York did not belong on this Arya Vedic ashram in the middle of Australia, but somehow my soul finds this place. And when I sit down with these fires, I recognize them. They feel like home. They feel good to me, right? And Homa is actually the name of the fire, Homa fire. It's incredible.

So what I learned there was how Sanskrit works. And from experiential data here, not just from a theoretical book, I saw how chanting mantra over a fire could create a fertile environment where it seemingly is an ungrowable place and how daily frequency being brought to a land was growing food that we could feed the neighbors with. It was this lush environment, right? And so, you know, I was young. I was still pretty young. I was in my mid twenties20s. And I had a big accident in Fiji, whitewater rafting. Another story that got me back to New York. A big twist of my fate gets me out of Australia and flies me back to New York.

And I kind of let that go and just went back to life, right? Like you would. Back then, this was 2009. There wasn't even like a lot of organic and vegan things happening where I was. And I just kind of like went back to Old Marin and tried to find my way back in there. But what I found was my first ayahuasca ceremony. Through the process of healing my arm, I met some people and they brought me to my first medicine circle. And in that medicine circle, I had a vision of what I would call God. And it wasn't

ayahuasca who I've met many times since and been working with her since, but the vision I had was this white light. It was unification, unconditional love. It was just, it was a very different essence. It was just pure, pure love. And this voice booms from this light and tells me that there is a gift I've been given that I've been ignoring. And I'm curious what this gift is. So I'm like, what's the gift, right? And this voice says, it's your voice. And I immediately shrunk when I heard that and thought, and of course, you know, this is all happening inside, thought, I know that I have a gift, but I just, I don't want to be a singer professionally. I don't want to use it. Like every door that I

opened was not what I wanted. It just, I wasn't comfortable there. And I don't know why I have this gift. So the voice tells me, you were given the gift for healing. Every time you use your voice, it heals your own body. You're healing your own emotional places. You're healing your own physical holds. And while you heal that, anyone in the room that has a matching need for that level of healing gets healed the same. So basically what the voice goes on to tell me is that every time I'd been asked to sing over the past eight years, which is what it was, I'd been spitting in God's face by not singing because I was saying no again and again and again.

And I said, I don't want to spit in your face. And so immediately, what do I do to save my soul? Like, I think God's going to punish me. I was raised believing in a punishing God, which of course I don't believe anymore, but I was raised believing that. So I was like, please, please to save my soul. Like, what will you do to forgive me? And God says, promise me, if you're ever asked to say moving forward, you say yes. And all is forgiven. So to save my soul, I make the vow. I make the promise and no joke. The shaman comes over to me, taps me on my shoulder and says, Mari cantar. And I don't speak Spanish and I'm high as a kite. And I'm like, what?

And the person in the circle with me that brought me to the circle was like, Marin, he's asking you to sing. I was like, now, what are you saying? So my heart starts racing. My tongue starts pulsing, like all the vagus nerve stuff, all the fear, just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I can't hear anything over my own feet. And that's when I meet Ayahuasca, the snake.

So she comes to me at that moment and says, why are you scared? And I said to her, I'm not scared. I know I could sing, but what do you sing in a ceremony? There's so many songs. Like what song do you possibly sing for a ceremony? And she's like, this has nothing to do with that. She drags me down a wormhole of every single time I was insecure around my voice and where every single time I felt all that insecurity and I sabotaged myself and all these things, just like all of this stuff, which was all coming off of an abuse early on,

right? This was all a trauma response back then. But she gets me all the way to the bottom of that wormhole. And there's a song that's waiting for me about burning new life to the ground, so that burning old life to the ground so that new life can grow. And through my tears that came as I sang, I sang that song. And as the whole room ruptured in their own tears and their own purges and their own everything, as I'm singing through all of this, my voice is now mine again. And so from that point, I've kept going to those circles, kept working with the medicine. And it was about six to eight months into that journey where she showed me once again, how the human voice moves through the body, how the chakra system works, how the voice is the tool for our liberation. And ultimately, she gives me the task, which is now my life purpose.

She says to me, have you noticed that everyone wants to use their voice in ceremony? I said, yes, I had noticed I used mine. Right. And she said, not everyone will drink medicine, but everyone has a voice. And this tool is the tool that will liberate the human race. You know how to do this. You're going to do this for me. So of course, I love her and honor her completely. And I left that ceremony and I told my first friend about what that vision was. And she said, I'm your first student. And that was a little over a decade ago. And I've been teaching this ever since. And I've watched healing after healing, rebirth after rebirth.

I've watched lives change. I've watched so many miracles happen all through the power of the human voice. Yeah, I got choked up there quite a few times just from my own rekindling of those messages that you get from Aya that are direct. It's hard to put into words if you haven't been there, but when you have, you're like, no, like this is like direct, direct communication going on right now. Like I will, yes, is the answer always. I say that she shows me because she knows I'm an obedient one. And when I get it, when I get that clear shot of truth in my being, it doesn't matter what the outside world would have to say to me. Like, I know it says truth and I will show up and do my work. And so I've been, I've been a faithful servant to help awaken the human race for many years now. That is incredible. How did you and Uncle Doctor get, get acquainted? Well, my wife, Stephanie, on a whim, I don't know what, I mean, talk about synchronicities. She was, this was like Thanksgiving of around a year ago.

She was like, I want to go and take a trip by myself. And she opened up Instagram and there was an ad for vocal transformations, Costa Rica retreat. And she signed up, like she basically ran up by me and was like, I want to do this retreat. Is that okay? I was like, fuck yeah. That's something that lights you up. Go for it. And like, she doesn't do those things. My wife is way more calculated than I am. And she flew down there, got laryngitis the first day. This was a voice activation retreat with Maren. She had no idea who Maren was, was not like one of her Instagram followers, had no clue, but there's something about this that felt like it was for her. And she sat with medicine twice, came back and was like a new, she just was completely

fired up about this. And she said, there's something about Marin that I think, I think you need to know her. And I was like, well, that's great. Um, let's, let's work it out. And she said, you know, why don't we do her online program, which we started, this was back in like April or May, I guess, Marin. And we started doing the work and I was like, oh my God, this is the tool that I need in order to complete this sort of circle, like what I've been working on so much in my world. And then Marin and I, we met by phone and it was like, okay, there's something here. So the something that is here and the missing piece was that a lot of people, so I'm an OBGYN for those who don't know, and I'm a huge advocate for people taking charge of their own health, whether it's vaccines or you want to have an elective C-section or you want to have a home birth, you want to have a free birth, whatever it is, I can give you all of the information. You have to really believe what it is that you want. You have to be able to listen to your heart. And it's not just listening to your heart. It's also acting upon that and trusting it. But, you know, ever since Kyle, you were three, you've been asking

permission to go to the bathroom, you know, in kindergarten. You've been asking permission to do every single thing. Since you were old enough to understand verbal language, you've been told that you have to align with the values of the people around you. And when you're a baby, that's important because they're keeping you from jumping off an edge or running with scissors or whatever. But that never actually goes away. And it turns out that when people come to the table with a pregnancy and they wanna have a baby, it's the ultimate test on like, do you really believe the shit that you're talking about? You've done all these medicine ceremonies,

you've taken all the supplements. Are you doing that because somebody else told you to? And are you integrating the work that you've done? And so when I have people come to me, the first question is like, if you're really in, then I'm really in. But unfortunately, based on how we raise kids, we really don't want them to fully express who they are. And that becomes a really, really big problem when you're going through a rite of passage, which is not death, it's birth.

And you're expected to advocate for yourself and to know who you are and what you stand for. You know, we just had some friends, Kyle, that just had a baby. I'm getting inundated with questions that like, like what happened to the previous 30 years of you doing all this work? Like, what was that work for? And the missing piece for me was, okay, I know who I am, whether it's related, my relationship to the IRS or my relationship to an employer. I know who I am and I know what I want to do. I know how I want to love people. I know how I want to love Stephanie and I, with Maren's guidance, was all of this resistance. And I was like, bingo, this is the work. This is what's missing from our integration of the medicine ceremonies. This is what's missing from the blogs and the podcasts and everything else. It's not just information people need. You need to actually ground yourself and

feel completely safe and secure with claiming to live out the full expression of life. And that's why you and I are friends, Kyle, because you're willing to take that plunge. We can hold hands and do it together if it makes you feel better, but you're in. So we can stand shoulder to shoulder looking at the horizon. A lot of other people are looking at the world as if they have to go head to head with everybody because they have never allowed themselves full permission to lean in to the full expression of Nathan or Maren or Kyle. And so this tool, I feel, is the next iteration of what I'm doing in childbirth. And I fortunately have the master here,

Maren, who brings a story like that into the conversation. But it doesn't stop at childbirth. You have to know who you are if you're gonna raise a child. Otherwise, that same pressure you felt to be small, you're gonna impart that on your children. And the whole cycle continues. So I'll just finish with just one little tiny story.

Little children know who they are. We actually tell them to not be that person. And there was a little moment where I got a glimpse of this in action with Maren. We went to her house up in upstate New York, actually up near where Jason Picard lives, one of our mutual friends. And in Maren's backyard, there's this giant field that is normally milkweed, which is really great for monarchs and other butterflies, but they had mowed it down. And there was this U-shaped opening in the woods. And when you yell, it echoes. The woods are so dense there. You get

this chamber of sound. The acoustics are incredible. And Marin went to Penny, my now nearly five-year-old, and said, scream something. And you can guess if you have kids, if you're listening, she looked at me to make sure it was okay to yell. And then when she got the go, she got the green light, she screamed. The first thing that came to her, I am free. Nobody told her to say that. Nobody prompted that. She knows because that's what kids know. We are the ones that tell them you can't be you. You can't possibly know what's right for you. You need somebody else to give you permission. And so this practice helps to actually unpack what's happening all the way down into the root. What's preventing you from grounding into you. And that has to happen before we get into all this other incredible shit that we can go through, through the myriad of different technologies that you and I, Kyle, in the very least, have done quite a bit of experimentation with. Yeah. So we're making a very bold statement together, Nathan and I, which is that I really,

truly believe that we can heal epigenetic trauma in one generation. If we can bring this chanting work into the birth sector and into, it's not just birth. So it's rebirth. The work that I do up until now has not been in the birthing sector. It is any human being who is ready to face this on and bring their voice back into their body, which means re-innervate and bring your soul and your spirit back into the flesh. Any one of us that feels ready to do that can take whatever story we're carrying inside of us and completely reset the system. I've been doing that with adults who are mature enough and ready

and disciplined enough. But now, thanks to this incredible introduction, Stephanie, thank you, really it feels like rebirthing, rebirthing, rebirthing is what all this work is about. But what if we could get in to birthing so that rebirthing is not necessary? What if we could actually have parents who have gone through this, who when they, what they give their children is the opportunity for them to be 100% fully alive. From a very young age, we know epigenetics, right? Three generations from the maternal side, one generation from the paternal side. We are the walking genetic predisposition of what has happened to those before us. And we have that as our onset, but human beings have free will. We really do. People argue me this up and down,

no, destiny, fate, whatever, but we can't access that free will until we're 14 years old at the first opening and then 21 ultimately when our brain is fully developed. But our program is by the outside world, those who raise us, those schools, those educational systems, those churches and temples and mosques and our society and our predisposition. And that our first development of the chakra system is 14 years. Zero to seven is our physical imprint. So how we're figuring out our body. Seven to 14 is our emotional imprint, how we feel and where our emotional patterns get set. That is given to us. But once we move through that, we have the ability to, with our free will, change whatever we're ready to change.

We can think for ourselves. We can choose for ourselves. And most humans will never access that. We will continue to stay with the personality construct that we already have agreed to, with the ideas that our systems have already told us, these are where our gifts and abilities are. This is where you're best suited to fit the workplace. This is, get your 2.5 kids, live in your dream house or whatever, that dream that they gave us on like cribs or wherever we got that dream from, right? But we'll live in those paradigms and we'll stay there because it's safe. And we all agree, we all suffer there, but we all agree that we'll co-suffer and we'll live in those paradigms and we'll stay there because it's safe. And we all agree.

We all suffer there, but we all agree that we'll co-suffer and we'll enjoy our lives. The truth of what a human being is, is that we are the bridge of cosmic intelligence and the planet herself. All of the planet intelligence is in every cell of our body. And all of that cosmic intelligence is in every breath we take. So pulling spirit, respiration, re-spiriting, or inspiration, which is inhaling, right? Pulling that into the body and activating the intelligence of Pachamama. We're not just mere little humans separate from everything else.

We literally, in every cell of our being, share the same intelligence as every other thing on this planet. We are Gaia, but we don't get given that by our parents. We get, here's how we do it and how you're going to do it. Now I literally mean zero disrespect. I love my parents dearly. I love my bloodline to no end. I absolutely love where I come from, as should everyone. We go all the way back to Africa. All of us match. We all meet in the motherland all the way back where we all started. And this is a journey of heroic proportions.

It's the most beautiful opportunity we've been given to get into a sensory inputted being here and to be co-creating reality, not just adopting what other people have told us before us. This is how we've gotten up till now. This is how we do it. Right. Any system that's been built cannot stay the same. We are in an evolutionary plane. Earth herself is evolving. We know this because when we're babies, we are tiny, tiny, and then look at the size of the body I'm in now. I make this joke that by the end of this

call that we're on today, my thumbnail will be longer. My body will have actually changed while we're in this conversation, which means everything is constantly changing. So for any of us to think that we should keep things the same is absurd. It's just already the first lie and it's already just sticking us, right? So what we get is the opportunity to, with each in-breath, with each sound we make, with each day that passes, we get an opportunity to grow and to heal and to regenerate and to change and to heal and to regenerate and to change and to move information. But yet the mind gets stuck in a paradigm of what we think is possible for us. So the vocal transformation work is about unpacking all of that, how we've become,

who we've become from the moment we've been incarnated, like from the moment that mom and dad know baby is coming and what that contract is and why we have come here to who we've become since then. What created that person? Because it's not who you really are. How much of that was your choosing and how much of that, if you knew you could actually make a different choice and life would actually show up the way you choose for it to, how much of that would you change if you knew you could? Because you can. Then the voice is just the same way you'd go to a singing bowl or a tuning fork or a gong bath or any of that. We now know all these ancient, ancient tools of sound. We know everything is sound. Every

single thing we're doing here is frequency. We live in an electromagnetic hologram. We've had these conversations. We know this, right? But do we own as a human race yet that the sound that we actually make goes out into the world and creates physical reality? Because it does. This is the Rig Veda. This is the teachings all the way back, thousands and thousands of years ago. The human voice is unmanifest form. So what we sound is our verbal voice. Ah, like sound, right? But that sounding creates imprints of sound

that moves through each of our chakras. Each of our chakras is a group of nerve ganglion. So whenever I start to talk about chakras, people go, oh, God, here she goes. She's a woo-woo. It's this esoteric teaching. But it is not esoteric at all. It is anatomical. It moves down the vagus nerve in clusters at each of these points in the body.

And it sends signals from the brain down into all the corresponding organs of that area of the body. Humans and our ancestors all the way back at the beginning of time, it doesn't matter what culture you would have been born into. All indigenous cultures have vocal practices. It was a matter of survival. It's a matter of moving your system from sympathetic to parasympathetic. It's a matter of increasing the myelin sheath around the vagus nerve to make your body resilient to the electricity that's running through you. And getting rid of the past trauma and the past story that would be in your body

and resetting it so that you can be here now. And we know this is baby. So this is where Nathan and I come together. The very first thing you do when you're born is you take a breath in and you cry. This is an intelligence that is the deepest level of our knowing because we didn't have our thought process or a brain that was functioning like, oh, I'll use my voice now. This is straight body soul intelligence. We needed things. We needed to be changed. We needed to be held. We needed to be turned over. We needed water. We were hot. We needed to be cold, whatever. And what we did then was we didn't have words, although some would say that yes, babies do have specific sounds that they know how to make, right? But we knew that when we use the voice, the outside world would

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truenutrition.com with promo code KKP. Take the guesswork out of nutrition with True Nutrition. And we knew that our voices needed to come out. And if you've ever held a crying baby, it's every muscle of the body. When a baby cries, it is a pushing, expressing of every muscle out. When we cry as adults, we cry like, like whatever we allow to release, whatever feels safe enough at any moment to let go, we'll let go. A baby just goes, I feel something. It's got to move. And honestly, if the human race could have just kept that, if we could have not scolded our children when they needed to get it out, if we could nurture as parents the expression of our children, then we will have resilient, balanced children. You're not going to have, I always say you're not going to have like adults who go to a store and they don't have the right size in their clothing and they're like, I hate you.

You're not going to have adults like that. You're going to have adults who got it out of their system and don't have the buildup. Right. So the aggression and the anger and the war that we see in our world. I swear, if we would have just had mothers and fathers who could have held their crying babies. And yeah. Do you want to do you want to talk, Nathan? Oh, I was, Nathan, you're, that was awesome too, because I was exactly, that's exactly where I wanted to keep, I wanted to transition that next, but I love exactly what you're talking about here. Especially with baby, and the crying thing too, it made me think of Martine Prechtel, who's an amazing author and a medicine man from, from New Mexico. He's written several books. The Unlikely Music, Koochie McKeek is one of my all-time favorites. I'll link to it in the show notes because it's a long title. But The Smell of Dust on Rain or The Smell of Rain on Dust is a beautiful one where he really

talks about grief. And I remember somebody talking about the science in one of the kids' books about when a kid cries, it actually washes the neurochemistry. It's one of the most healing things that can happen from the brain. And immediately, you know, Nathan just typed here in the chat, I want to tie this into the nervous system development in utero. And please absolutely take it that way.

Because I was thinking of Prectil, I was thinking about the science of crying. And to your point, you know, like a lot of people, you hear chakra and shit like that, and there's still this divide, you know, they call it like conspirituality and shit like that, you know? And this, this divide, uh, you know, they call it like conspirituality and shit like that. You know? And it's like, there is a science into all

these things. Alex Gray, Alex and Alison Gray, who live near you in upstate New York, you know, he mapped, he mapped the meridian lines and the chakras and his amazing psychedelic art. You can see it. So, and, and if you've done plant medicines, you can see that with your naked eye sometimes. Absolutely real. Yeah. Nathan, go with your naked eye sometimes. You experienced it, yeah. It's absolutely real, yeah. Nathan, go ahead, brother. Yeah, I'm sorry, Marin. I didn't want to get you off track.

I was leaving that there so that it was like almost a note for me. But what you described is a perfect segue into some very, very practical, like let's just reflect on how we all got here. We all came into the world through our mothers, from our mother's womb, through her pelvis, most of us, some of us through the abdomen, into the world. And when people think like they hear birth or whatever, this is like women's stuff. This isn't a birth podcast. What am I doing here? I'm here to talk about cool shit. Okay. Just park it, bro, for a second. You came into the world.

You nearly killing your mother, like, like, like spiritually, perhaps, right? Like not physically, but spiritually, she gave everything to bring you into this world. And you went from this beautiful amniotic universe, you know, Stan Groff, I believe he's the one that developed the perinatal matrices in this warm amniotic universe. It starts compressing and compressing and your little space becomes intolerable. There's a little light at the end of the tunnel. You go towards the light and then you emerge in this very alien world. And all the while your mother is carrying you, giving you everything, literally all of her life force energy, reserving just enough to keep herself going. She gives all of that to you. And your nervous system is starting to develop, but it doesn't fully develop in the way that it has right now, where you actually have the ability to turn on charm or to freeze whenever you're under the ultimate ultimate, you know, like threat from a bear or whatever. You don't have necessarily this alertness where you wake up ready to take on the day. As a little baby, you're kind of stuck in this like little sympathetic place where there really is threat around every corner. And it's not until about six to 12 months that you fully develop

all limbs, all three of the limbs of your nervous system, which when I was in med school, we learned there's a break and there's a gas. Sympathetic is the gas, parasympathetic is the break, and that's that. But it's actually far more complex than that. Of course it is, because we are complex human beings. And the upper limb of your vagus nerve, which actually controls your smile, your posture, your pupils, your sense of hearing, this is how you relate to the world. And it's not even fully developed until six to 12 months. So when Marin's describing that you actually need to scream in order to be kept safe, that is like healthy attachment. You go and you pick up your baby and you rock them. You don't let them scream it out at two weeks. So we have a world in which babies are being born into a space and it's new experience for them. And what do we do? We shove needles in their feet.

We put eye goop on them. We cut the cord and run them away from their mother in order to keep them safe. When all that they actually need is to co-regulate on their mother's chest and to feel the rise of their chest in the fall and to hear the whoo-whoo that was just behind their head moments before that. They need to co-regulate with mother and father. And that means mother and father's nervous system, the status of their nervous system. Do they feel safe? Or are they looking at the world as everybody's out to get them? That is going to imprint on their little baby in such a way that will actually help that baby either develop a healthy relationship with the world or a not so healthy relationship with the

world. When we look back at this, like even this political election, everybody is out to get everybody. It seems like we have a world of maniacs that feel like if I don't keep my doors locked and my stuff here, then it's going to be taken away. Somebody's going to ruin this for me. We're literally imprinting that sense that the world is not safe on children, not only by how they're coming into the world, but also because our nervous systems are not even equipped to take on this new little thing because we are completely dysregulated ourselves. So whether you're a grandparent, you're a new parent, you're a soon-to-be parent, or maybe you want to have kids in the future, getting this right, right now,

is actually the work. There's no amount of supplements and homegrown mushrooms and Syrian rue that can actually fix this for you by itself. You actually need to lay a healthy foundation in order to build a big, strong castle. And this is the way that Marin and I are introducing this to the space, into the world. Yeah. Your mother's vagus nerve while you are in utero is the most important thing to your vagus nerve in your life when you are born. It's a direct imprint. So how you are in utero, if you are with a mother who is anxious, if there is a home that is unsafe, if it is in an environment where there's sirens all the time outside, even, you know, I would say, even if they're listening to like heavy metal music as the everyday input of sound, or if you're in a situation where it feels, yeah, like the mother feels like she's lacking or emotions can't be expressed or any of that, that all is going to feed into how offspring comes in, how baby is, and it's carrying all of that in with it. So our mission now, which is an amazing one, is to help the human race

remember. Remember. I heard a while ago, the shamanic journey is a journey of dismembering so that we can remember. And it's the same thing that we're talking about your feelings of belonging here. It's all around safety and survival. It's not emotional at all. The second chakra becomes emotional. Third chakra becomes emotional. The root chakra is only physical survival. And it shows up with how our nervous system works, our autoimmune system works, our bones and our muscle structures and

our tissues, how healthy they are and how our body can begin to grow here. So when we have issues at the beginning of life and epigenetic as well, right, coming in, we could enter this world with a feeling of earth is a hard place, which is what I think where Nathan and I first met was just a childbirth in a hospital actually tells a baby that earth is a scary place. I had a student the other day talking to me about being abducted by aliens and how when he was a very, very, very young boy, he thought he was abducted by aliens, but he doesn't know where he would have even gotten that idea until he was looking at a hospital with masks and implements. And you come into this new world, your senses aren't even fully turned on, but you have these bright lights and these gloved hands and this sterile environment. And yeah, sure. Anyone who's had a vision of being abducted, it's exactly the same

thing. And then we could talk about circumcision on men. And that's a whole other conversation of like mutilation that we do like right at the beginning of life, like welcome to the world. This place is scary. And now you have people who are afraid of a simple spider who's sitting inside their house, right? Or like to go camping is like, I don't want to be out on the earth. Meanwhile, this root chakra, which is our connection to that earth, she is our key to anything we could possibly want to manifest in this world. If we don't have our root chakra on this planet, if we are not in the body on the earth feeling safe inside of this flesh. We have a lacking of a feeling that we can have anything we could dream. But when you have that connection, you know what you came here for. The mother, the mother, the ultimate mother. So our mother might be riddled with things,

epigenetics and scares and emotional issues and scarcity and whatever might be going on. But our mother is the planet itself. Our mother, all of our mothers, we have one mother, Earth. And she gives us every single one of these beautiful cells. When we talked about birth, me and Nathan, I was talking about most mothers, first time mothers are reading books, trying to understand what's going on inside of them while they're pregnant. If you asked me, Marin, go ahead and make a baby. I would have sex, but I wouldn't know how to actually make a baby, right? Instead, I would be amazed that sperm found egg and what is about to happen now? Like, oh my God, what is about to happen? For some people, that is a scary moment.

Changes happen. The body begins to ache and hurt. There's nausea, there's things. And this is a very natural thing that's occurring as hormones are changing, but we are scared that something's going wrong. I'm going to lose the baby. This happened last time. Oh my God, what's going on? We get fear around the most natural, beautiful thing. So we're not actually making the baby. Who's making the baby? The planet makes the baby. And so for every human being to know that connection and to know our nervous system grounded to the planet again is the change that every human needs right now. It will get us out of scarcity into abundance. It will get us out of danger into safety. That is what will be the change for the human race.

Back to Earth. Back to Earth, everybody. Marin, can I give an example, Kyle, of what you, I mean, you have such a beautiful way with language, way more so than me. And I want to bring in, this is actually before I met Marin, Kyle. Do you know what chymatics or cymatics? I want to talk about this. Yes, absolutely. Give me one good video on YouTube after this podcast so I can link to it because this is worth watching. It's worth seeing it if you haven't seen cymatics, but please continue.

I mean, this is phenomenal shit. And it actually speaks back to what Marin was talking about earlier in that everything is sound. Everything is frequency, everything is light. Right. Right. So long before I met Marin, I posted this video on Instagram. I don't even think it got any attention, but it was actually, I think maybe, I don't know where I found it, I found a video of a zebrafish embryo where it goes from a couple of cells to many cells to like starts to fold in on itself. And then it becomes this like little fish. And I was like, it was under time lapse. You could like see it happening. And all these little cells are like moving around one another.

And like, you know, it's like whenever they show the transformation videos and the person looks like they're like, they're like breaking out of their shell. Like they're shedding their skin, you know. But it like emerges as a fish afterwards. And you're like, holy shit. Like all those little cells weren't like, hey, Bob, see, I'm going to head up this way. You go down that way. All right.

Like they're not talking to one another. They all seem to just be dancing and forming this structure, you know, and all the little internal structures. And then the little structures inside of those structures. Like, wow, what a remarkable process. And of course, the zebrafish is far less complicated, at least by number of cells than a human being. But then I saw a video of the cymatics. And for those who don't know, basically this is when you vibrate any, like you could use a tin plate. You can also use like a plasma inside a three-dimensional structure. When you vibrate that material, the medium, at various frequencies, geometric patterns, in the case of a tin plate with sand on it, you get these complicated two-dimensional psychedelic artwork. It's symmetrical sometimes in like 16 planes. You get the same with a three

dimensional, only it might be symmetrical in 64 or 128 planes. This is incredible. It's just incredible to watch it. So given that nobody's yet, despite all my years of education, hundreds of thousands of dollars to the government and to these schools, nobody has yet been able to tell me where do babies come from? And how does this process even happen? Well, when you then start thinking about, whoa, we're like swimming in this sea of like radio waves and 5G and there's like a Wi-Fi router on every corner, like we are being blasted with a lot of frequency. But if that cymatics video shows me that frequency actually can help to shape and orchestrate otherwise non-living material, and we're using sand here, but now if we look at human cells,

this gets really, really fun to think about. What if instead of the baby growing based on what the genes and everything are telling, like the genes don't say, hey, cell number one, you have to go over here. Here are the GPS coordinates. Cell number two, you're going to go down here. They somehow know. And I just started sort of pontificating on this. Like what if there's a greater field, like going into Taggart's work and whatnot? What if there's a field that actually, not visible to our eyes, actually demonstrates the structure that this baby is going to take? And the cells are literally just pulled into those directions, wherever they need to go. Also want to tell you guys really quick about an amazing company called magic bag.co magic bag.co

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Why? How is the apple up there? If it has a tendency to fall, what is keeping it up? Well, the tree is holding it. What's the connection here? Because everything should just consolidate right down on itself. So anthroposophic medicine says the hand doesn't grow because it's being pushed by cells stacking on top of one another. Anthroposophic medicine

says there is a field and the cells fill in that space. So if we can use sound to manipulate grains of sand, then perhaps the field and the sound, the environment, the acoustics inside the womb, and really that we're living in every day, whether we're at sleep or in the gym, whatever else, can also manipulate how our body is functioning, how those cells are working together to create life. And this is the answer to that levity question. Now, nobody's going to find peer-reviewed literature on this. What Maren and I are suggesting here is a very outrageous claim. But when you start doing it, and Kyle, I recommend you and Tosh just take a couple of days and do this chanting with me. We can do it together if you want. But when you start to feel it, you're like, oh shit, there is

something here. And what's that resistance coming up? Oh, that's the stuff that I haven't been able to work through. It's the stuff I saw when I was on the ayahuasca experience. Now I get to actually physically work through it by pushing air through an expanded diaphragm, pushing it down into the ground over and over 108 times for 30 minutes a day for 40 days. And if you're not changed after that, then please let me be your student. You must be one of those rare ascended masters because this is hard work, but it is a very easy, it's accessible, it's practical, and it might really change your relationship with the world because it has for me. I'll just add real quick, since I know I talked with you guys about this before the podcast,

and maybe it was on the earlier on the podcast, but I'm blown away by the synchronicity of this. I have, I do maybe one big journey a year and I had a solo journey, my first solo journey here on the land. And it was, it was, it was incredible. And I've had my playlist on, but I realized, you know, even when I've done solo journeys in the past, I might've been, you know, in a bedroom, in the guest room, you know, and Tasha's there to check on me and

to not make a big scene, I would, I would just remain quiet, you know, and in my own personal space. So I follow the noble silence pretty much in, in all the journeys that I've ever done. Ayahuasca, any of these things I've of these things, I've usually just kept it there. I might yawn or vomit or do some different type of purge. Purge out of door number two. I mean, all those things have happened before, but I've never felt the need to or the draw to vocalize until this journey that was about a week ago,

and I just couldn't stop. Like once I started, I literally couldn't stop. Our livestock guardian Pyrenees were out throwing a shit fit with the sheet couldn't stop. Like once I started, I literally couldn't stop. Our Guardian, Livestock Guardian Pyrenees were out throwing a shit fit with the sheet because they could just hear some random dude, you know, 100 meters away from singing his lungs out. And it felt so good. And I remember just laying down, I put a little blanket out and I laid down under the canopy of these trees and it felt great at first. Then I could feel all the roots underneath my, in my back, you know, and I felt all the pain in my body. I get a lot of pain in my neck. And so I kind of would reposition myself and put my hands on the roots and the neck pain

remained. But when I got up to sing, the neck pain vanished and it stayed gone for not only the whole day, but it just stayed gone in general. Like it's a very, to me, that's like, it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt in my mind that pain and, and, you know, Dr. Nathan, you sent me a great book, Healing Back Pain. Yeah. John Sarno. Yeah. John Sarno, right on the psychosomatic nature of things. And we know this through Rolfing and through a number of different techniques and studies that trauma is stored in the body. The body keeps the score and that pain can be a factor of thought it can be a factor of emotion it can be a factor of trauma but that the fact that sound moving through me could evaporate that and unlock in different ways and i felt rebirthed like i felt

holy shit i'm reborn and you know couple of weeks goes by and I've got a little neck pain again. So I was like, maybe there is something to a daily practice of unlocking these things that moves beyond, you know, moves beyond me wanting to use that for anything. You said it yourself, you know, you were a singer, you were identified as that, and you were the voice and how that became something you wanted to avoid. I don't ever have any delusions of grandeur of having a professional singing career. But at the same time, I use my kids. And I have to rephrase that stuff, especially if they hurt one another and my knee-jerk reaction is like my old man, and then it's, hey, guys, come here. Sorry I overreacted.

Let's talk through this. Don't hit your brother in the balls. These are important things. I want to make sure we have grandkids. But, yeah, I think that there is so much to that. And this isn't new technology. This is thousands of years old technology. This goes back as far as written language does.

And it's mind-blowing to me how much play meditation gets. But people think that chanting is just for the Hare Krishnas or just for whatever. Thank you so much for saying that. Mantra. Mantra, mantra chanting. And this is only one lineage, right, that we're going through because the sounds of the vocal transformation are the simple Vija mantras of the Vedic lineages. But there's many, and I've studied many other lineages that have these too, but these sounds are the easiest to access, right? So I give great thanks and praise to this, to the Vedic wisdoms,

because it's very easy to access these for every walk of life. So when you look at that word mantra, it's manos, mind, and tra, protection from, or liberation from, right? That's what that word means. The word mantra is designed to create an even brain wave and it increases theta brain states, which is goes to alpha and goes to gamma ultimately, right? But so the actual, it's so scientific, the actual word itself creates a space where your thoughts

become synchronized. So when you stop a mantra, you could sit in meditative acquiescence. You can actually be in no mind state for a much longer period of time. Instead, what we have in the West is people sit and watch their thoughts, watch their thoughts, go to my breath. Okay, watch the thought, watch that, go to my breath. And I do a ton of straight silent meditation. So I'm not saying this is not a good practice. It's a great practice.

But many of the teachers will point to the fact that for anyone in the West to think they could just sit and meditate is such a crazy idea because we are so over inundated, like so overstimulated, so much input that the second we sit down quietly, the first thing happens is all those, all those thoughts just need to move because we're in a quiet space. Something has to fill the space because we don't have space ever, right? So what a mantra creates is space. It creates a synchronization of the brainwaves and even, and all you focus on during the practice. So to what you said before about not even the words you say, but how you say them and what is the frequency of it, it's all about how we support the sound. And I'm telling you, Kyle, this is actually some of what the breakthrough work that Nathan and I are talking about here is. I just had an interview

with a student a couple of days ago on Instagram from India who learned these mantras her whole life. She knew how to do them, but then she did them the way we teach them. And it's a whole different game because what we're dropping is how the production has to happen, right? In the way that, like I took my yoga certification. I learned all these things, but they go through it really quickly.

You learn them, you move on. You want the big mantras that you want Krishna, you want Lakshmi, you want whatever, but the seed sounds, you just kind of sayras that you want Krishna, you want Lakshmi, you want whatever, but the seed sounds, you just kind of say them and you're done. But no, it's how the breath goes into the body, what muscles you're using to support the sound, and then which resonators of the body does that sound move through. That's how we change the frequency and create those auric fields that make us impenetrable. So from the

inside out, we stabilize our brainwaves, we align ourselves spirit to earth, earth to spirit, and then we become these major channels of energy. What happens when we don't use our voice in this way where the diaphragm moves down and the muscles engage in the correct way to support the flow of tone of sound is that we're leaning on different areas of the body. So most of our voices are stuck in our throat and in our head. Most of us do not use the low body to produce sound, which is how sound must be produced if we want to access the full system. So when you're doing these mantras the way we're teaching them, right, what we're going to be doing together and the way vocal transformation has been doing this for years is how do you get the correct amount of breath into the right support to create the

tone? Now, when you're doing a mantra with that, all you're focusing on is the physical anatomy, the breath, the muscle pressure, the sound. That's what your mind goes to. That's what you're going to focus your mind on. So you're improving concentration. A mantra practice is a concentration practice. When we, as a human race, can come back to concentrated focus for longer periods of time. I think the average is like eight seconds. We've become a goldfish, I've heard, right? But when we actually

train our concentration ability, okay, now our brainwaves are ours to activate by our free will. We direct our thought processes. We choose what we want to create in this world. Here's where we step into being gods, right? But when we have our minds all over the place, we're creating everything and nothing. It's like all just so unconcentrated, right? So what a mantra practice does is it creates a concentrated focus of brain power and body power. That's it. From there, you can sit in meditation practices for longer periods of time, melt that ego away, go ahead, become the Buddha. Before we become the Buddha though, knowing my humans and myself, we're going to want to first come into something, into self-realization. So before we decide to dissolve that ego and become nothing,

we're going to have to see how powerful what we are really is. Once we taste our own power in the most aligned way, not in the arrogance and the insecurity that creates that power hunger in our world, but once we're actually aligned, all those nervous system ganglia and those chakras are aligned and the voice is clear and we're supported from the root to the crown and our brainwaves are stabilized and we sit in those meditative practices, we will first be able to see our world as ever we want to see it. We can create anything we want here. And in my opinion, in my experience, we'll be creating from the heart, not from the head. We'll be creating from a place of love and balance and togetherness and connection, not from this place of separateness. And once we step into that love field now, okay, go ahead. Dissolve the ego, become the Buddha.

You're already that anyway. Yeah. Can I add something to that? Please. Please. I think, um, I feel like this is like a really nice, like, this has been like a really, really nice flowing conversation because now we're at the point where people are probably asking, you know, you know, I've tried, they've said, they're saying to themselves, I've tried meditation.

It doesn't work for me. This stuff can, you know, whatever. I want to encourage people to, to, to realize that that resistance is actually the work. Like, like whatever it is that you're finding is coming up for you is probably a little indication as to whether or not you really feel fully confident in what you're saying about yourself or to yourself. Going back to the birth thing, I think that one of the primary reasons that people have become so... They feel like they're indebted to the system, to like the larger system. Like they don't want to step outside of the box. They don't even want to poke their head up and look and see what's around. Because if they do that, it's going to

expose them and they're going to have to actually take some responsibility for how they show up in the world. It's far easier, in other words, to just keep going along with the program. And for people, whether it's politicians or religious leaders or your parents or whoever, to keep just telling you what you actually should be doing with your time. I think the reason that meditation is so hard for people is when it's just you, a lot of us don't really like who we are because we've been acting out in a way that really is a reflection of somebody else's dreams and values. It's not actually who we are. And I encourage anybody, whether you want to join me and Maren on this program or not,

I want you to really ask yourself, who do you want to be? How do you want to spend your time right now? If you don't have an answer for that, like, there is the work for you. Because you do not need anybody to give you permission to claim a life full of richness and pleasure and finding stupid jokes funny, finding fart jokes funny. Like, you can be whoever you want to be. It doesn't matter what other people think. And I know that sounds cliche, but even us as adults, when we're raising kids, I don't think too many people really, really love just sitting in silence. But solitude is one of the greatest gifts, especially to

masculine people. Sitting in solitude and grounding yourself into the ground, that is what your wife wants. That is what your little girls want. They need to know that you are an anchor that is what your wife wants. That is what your little girls want. They need to know that you are an anchor that is immovable, but you can't be an anchor that's immovable if you're still playing by somebody else's rules. So if for no other reason, taking up a daily ritual where you're sitting and just being still and focusing on creating a big breath and then pushing that breath through your vocal cords and directing actually the breath to various parts of your body, which corresponds to these chakras.

Man, is that a gift to not only your family and your little girls and your wife and everybody. This is a gift to yourself. This is a reclamation. And I want everybody just to know you have permission to just be still and to not be producing anything. This is work that is going to ripple through your life, through your family. It's going to make everything else make sense. And you're not just going to be throwing spaghetti

at the wall, trying to find the magic external bullet that's going to make everything better. You have to, at some point, just get comfortable being still with your own thoughts. And this is a very, very active tool, I think, to engage that part of you that you maybe need to awaken that hasn't been awake since you were five and six, because with people I work with that training starts so, so young with the emotions, you know, um, just being punished or scolded for things that you couldn't have possibly done wrong because you were too young to do anything wrong, but wrong to the outside world. Right. Um, so one of the, one of the things to, that I'd like to say to that is, as, um, I feel, and maybe, maybe you guys on the call feel, but maybe some of you listening at home might feel too, there is a rebirthing that's sort of necessary for the human race right now, period. There's a, there's a changing direction that we all have to move to.

And it's something that if I could just plead with you listening, it's an inside job and you already know how to do it. You already have the answers. It comes with your deepest intelligence and there was never anybody outside of you that had to teach you anything. So when you actually look at this practice, it sounds like an odd thing. And trust me, I work with all walks of life where this is not at all what they would ever want to put into their daily, but they know something's got to give and they'll give it a shot. It's like, why would I even do that? Or, or no, or just, or even feels awkward or shy. Or what I hear more than anything is that my family is going to make fun of me, or I can't do it around people that know me, or just look at that level of insecurity that you would work your life to make sure that others around you don't have something to say about it or won't

make fun or won't put it down. And take that first breath in and just see what it feels like to make a clear, open, unobstructed vibrational force move from your body out. That in itself, the difference that you feel just in that. Then as you continue the practice, you see where that collapses on itself, where things crack or break or pop. And of course, we, when we talk about our voice, it's such a deep area of insecurity for everybody. Not just singing. Like if I asked people, if you were in a room of 500 people and you were asked to get up on a stage and speak about yourself, you know yourself better than anybody. You don't even need to like study anything to know anything. Like just get up and speak about yourself. Would you feel

scared to do that? Or would you feel like, yeah, I could talk about who I am in this room. Forget 500, 10 people, just get up and say it. And the majority of people would be scared. They'd be very scared to just get up and use their voice where others are listening and they are the focal point of attention. Right? So where did that come from? Like, why would we as a human who can make so much sound and knowing that our voices are power that create the physical world according to our ancient ones. Why would you be scared now to use that voice and to just show up to what it might have for you? In my experience, when people show up to these practices, they are completely, completely blown away by what comes up, by what they can release from their bodies, by what they can bring in to support their life,

by what begins to show up in their physical world based on what they're working on internally and how that connection is immediate. And once you start to enter that, you really know who you are and what you're doing here. So humans need to trust our instincts again. We need to feel our emotions again. We need to feel our emotions again. We need to look deep inside of our body and the intelligence that we came in with.

And we need to live our lives according to that. So Nathan posed a really good question before. Do you know if you could make your life any way that you can make it, if you could live in what you would imagine would be your most healthy, balanced, vital, beautiful, joyous, pleasurable life that we all deserve to have, do you know what that would even look like right now? That's the first thing to look at, because you do tell the world what it is going to do. You, every one of us has the power when we don't give it to another story to tell the world, to direct the world how

we want to see life. And life will begin to move in that direction if we're clear with that intention. So the first question is, do you know what that looks like? And the second question would be, are the choices you're making today, every day of your life, walking you know what that looks like? And the second question would be, are the choices you're making today, every day of your life, walking you closer to that direction? Or are you choosing your life to show up like praying that it will just happen, but you not making the choices. And that fifth chakra, which is the area of our voice, is the area of manifestation. It is the area of choice and follow through. And it is the area of free will. So when we begin to do the work of the voice and you just sit every day and you chant one sound for 40 days at each chakra, what you begin to build in primordial confidence,

the confidence that came with your body, the confidence that came from your birth, that the earth gave you a body and a heart and a mind, and here we go, like you can create this world. That confidence should be yours without anybody else's giving that to you. And when you start to do this chanting practice, that's what you build. And your ability to speak up and speak out the life that you want to be living begins to create it. It's pure magic. It's the magic we're made of. It's what we are, everybody. I love that. Last but not least, I want to tell you really quick about an amazing company called Lucy.co, one of our longest running sponsors. Let's level up your nicotine routine with Lucy.co, one of our longest running sponsors. Let's level up your nicotine routine

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And don't forget KKP at checkout. You get 20% off your first and always free shipping. Yeah, absolutely love that. It's a beautiful tuning fork. And I feel like even just what you were speaking about too, about knowing, you know, Will Tegel said there's an internal GPS inside of all of us. There's one in the heart of Gaia. There's one in the center of the solar system, but each of us individually, every being on the planet has one. And you could call that intuition. You could call that your hunch. You could call that the gut brain connection. However you look at that inner knowing, we've been so disconnected from that and taught not to trust it. But I feel like the practice of the body are the ones that reconnect us the

best, the fastest and, and the easiest. And they're not always easy, right? But the, the, the direct reconnecting, I think can be made faster through the body via the body via the voice than anywhere else. A hundred percent. Yes. I love that. That was beautiful. Yeah. I don't, I don't think it can be like really emphasized anymore. You know, I, I typed this into our little chat here, but

if, if you're not going to write your story, then somebody else is going to do it for you. So what do you have to lose by just like, fuck it, let's go? It requires some degree of surrender and kind of faith that you're going to end up okay on the other side. You could use what I just said to apply it to childbirth. You have to let go. In ayahu childbirth. You have to let go. In ayahuasca, you have to let go. She will not let you go. You're going to have to let go. You have to, you, it's not, it's, it's like the opposite of control. Um, but you know,

how many times have you heard Kyle where somebody is like, you know, I don't want to take a too big of a dose. Cause I don't, I don't really like being out of control. It's like, that's not how this works, bro. You don't get to, you don't get to, to, to like, uh, have the beautiful experience that you heard about on Instagram. That's not how this works. This is real medicine and birth is real medicine. Even Marin, even your story at the beginning is a medicine story. And medicine stories, as Charles Eisenstein says, they don't have a moral. They are the medicine. There is no little takeaway that you put up with an eagle on a poster in your dorm room. The medicine is the story. And this whole experience of chanting and using sound and controlling the breath

and sitting still in solitude for 30 minutes a day, that is the medicine. We don't even need the neuroscience and everything to explain it. It's helpful that we have that. But if you're not going to tell your story, somebody else will. And, um, and we're, we would love to have people come and take this journey with us. I feel like this is, uh, this is going to be really fun. It's going to be fun January. That's when we start. So I was, I was just going to bring it to that. You guys are creating a program around this and you're going to release in January. Uh, I can push this podcast back. So it's closer to release date date if you guys like. That's no problem. That'd be great.

Yeah. Cole, edit that part out where I say I'm going to push it back and we'll just talk about January. So I'm really excited. You guys have put together a program that you're about to release in January. New Year? New Year's? Right around then? Everyone that signs up will get the beginning of it in New Year's.

But at the second week of January, this way everyone can acclimate to breathing and what the start of it looks like. Then we'll start the live calls. So everyone gets a chance to enter their year. And then we will start the live calls the second week of January. That's perfect. Yeah, I love that.

Count me in. I'm in for certain. We'd love to have you, Kyle. You and Tosh, and we'll get Eric and Leah, and we'll get the whole crew. There is a, you know, this is a bit of a leap of faith for Maren and I, because she and I both are, we're so inundated with opportunities. This is one of those things where we're like, we have to make this work for as many people as possible, because this is so unusual, what we're doing. And frankly, on an hourly basis, I could make a lot of money. I do. And I blocked off all of January because I feel like this is so important. This is so important. The program will give you a link for people to enroll. It's 350

bucks. You can join as a couple. You get to meet with Maren and I for seven hours over those seven weeks. And you're going to be chanting. We're going to be accountability buddies. We're going to be doing some didactics in those calls. It's going to be a rollercoaster for seven weeks, but you will not regret it. This is going to be a ton of fun. It's going to be a lot of fun. Yeah. And it's going to be deep. When you go to the root chakra, you really get a chance to look at where you want to reroute yourself. Like what is your vantage point?

What is your alignment? And how in your body can you be? So we start the new year going all the way down to the root. And our biggest prayer is that we will have a full group of humans who are ready to be the human race. Like really, not the rat race. We're putting all that down, not the cancers of the world, but the human beings who are going to be the messiahs, right? The ones who are actually going to change the face of humanity. And I can't say the whole

face, like we're all really beautiful, but we're going to reset and we're going to redesign how we do things here. And that's going to come from a deep dive all the way back, how we're going to reset and we're going to redesign how we do things here. And that's going to come from a deep dive all the way back, how we're going to parent our children, how we're going to reparent ourselves and mostly how we're going to listen to the earth, the earth again, and come back home because one of the things we talk about at the root chakra is that our contract was to her and we live here on this planet thinking,

what are we getting from this place? But we don't think about what we came here to give this place. And every single one of us, when we actually get into that orientation, we'll feel so empowered in their own life, knowing they're here as an epic gift to this planet. And so once you get your root underneath you, you can really listen deeply

to what am I here for and what am I here to do and to contribute. And so we're empowering the human race and we're going to start to change the way we do things here. So if you feel called to that mission and you feel like you want to join a group of people that want to see the sound of their voice, a byproduct of it is that you'll also be a great singer because it's all the same muscles. You're learning the same muscles that are all the ways we use the voice, but we're going to direct it towards stabilizing that vagus nerve, connecting to the earth and starting again. Yeah. I love it. I'm so very excited. Thank you, Nathan, for the introduction to Marin. You guys are incredible and I'm so pumped to get to be a part of the program with y'all. This is going to be great. It is. Thank you. Great to have you,

man. Thanks again. Thanks for the opportunity. It's good to see you. Hopefully we'll see you in Austin soon. Yeah, brother. Much love to you guys. Thank you. Much love back.