Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #383 Awakening Christ Consciousness w/ Sean O'laoire

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

In this episode, Sean O'laoire, known for his spiritual wisdom discusses various spiritual and philosophical themes, including O'laoire's upbringing under the influence of his Christian Mystic grandmother and druid-like grandfather, his educational journey, and his work in Africa and the U.S. emphasizing social justice. Olera shares insights on Christ Consciousness, Buddha nature, and the notion that challenges can foster spiritual growth. He also touches upon the historical and mythological context of Ireland, extraterrestrial beings, and methodologies for connecting to higher spiritual realms. The conversation delves into the importance of gratitude, meditation, nature immersion, and the role of children's perspective in understanding spirituality.    Connect with Sean here: Instagram Website   Our Sponsors: - For a limited time, our listeners get 15% off your entire order when you use code KKP at checkout. That’s 15% off your order at TRUENUTRITION with promo code KKP. Take the guesswork out of nutrition with True Nutrition. - GO to MagicBag.co that is DOT CO, and use code: KKP at checkout! - Organifi.com/kkp and grab a Sunrise to Sunset kit to be covered with Red, Green and Gold, with 20% off using code KKP     Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu  Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App  Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth  Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site   If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome back to the podcast. We have a very special guest, the return of Sean O'Leara. Sean was a Catholic priest for 40 plus years and is an Irishman and fucking awesome. He is one of my favorite humans on earth. I first heard him back a couple of years ago on Spirit Gym with Paul Cech, and he's just a wealth of knowledge. His book, Setting God Free, is one of my all-time favorites. It is a turn-your-head-upside-down, just phenomenal way to poke at everything wrong with what we've been taught from fundamentalist religion

and to expand upon the teachings of the God that I know and the God that we all ought to know, a God of love and compassion, and really breaks down the teachings of Christ, the teachings of Buddha, what that awakened consciousness looks like, what we're up against in the world today, and how to move forward through it. He is awesome. I love him dearly, and I'm so thrilled to have him back on the podcast. Welcome back, Sean O'Leary. I'm so pleased to have Sean O'Leary back on the podcast. I'm a huge fan. I loved the podcast that you did with Aubrey. I thought it was brilliant. And Cole, who's actually been working with us, he's my manager and podcast guy now that runs the whole show. He asked me, he goes, would you be interested in having Sean O'Leary back on? And I was like, absolutely. I was just, I've been thinking of him. He just

had a brilliant podcast with Aubrey. Fucking amazing. I love that that so i'm so happy you had availability that's crazy you're a glutton for punishment i loved our first podcast and of course want to give a shout out to paul check who who you know unearthed you you know he taught me he told me about the brilliant absolutely brilliant brilliant book and then you guys had an amazing podcast and um paul's getting so many great guests and introductions. I just want to give a big thank you to Paul for that. I could go on and on about how much I love Paul, but that's huge. Thank you for that. Because there is something when you meet, when you get to meet somebody that opens you up in a way where you're not just learning something, but you're, it's

resting here in the heart more than just opening up the head and the mind that rests in the heart. And I definitely feel that about you. So big thanks to Paul and big thanks to the work that you do. A million thanks to you, my brother. A million thanks to you. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So for people who didn't listen to the podcast on Paul or our first episode or Aubrey's, um, I'd love for you to give like a brief background, just a, just a, even a refresher for people, you know, talk about, talk about your life, your education, you know, obviously your grandmother was such a huge influence on you that, that kept you beyond what you were introduced to. Um, but bring us into that. Cause I want to talk, you know, spirit, I want to talk, you know, the reality that we're in and I want to bring, you know, but

I want people to know, you know, the value of your education and where you come from. Sure. Absolutely, Cain. And so I was born in 1946 and I was the firstborn of a firstborn of a firstborn. And so I have an uncle who's two months younger than me. So my mother and my grandmother were both pregnant at the same time. And so I have an uncle who's two months younger than me. So my mother and my grandmother were both pregnant at the same time. And I won the race by two months. I was born in October 1946. And my uncle was born in December 1946. So my grandmother wanted to keep me so she

could raise us as twins. So I was actually raised by my paternal grandparents for the first six years and my great-grandmother was still alive at that stage and she was a Christian mystic she had this extraordinary relationship with Mother Mary and we have a phrase in Gaelic it's called a coelite a thin place a kind of it's a portal between the worlds it's a place where the veil between the mystical and the mundane is diaphanous. And my great-grandmother lived in that space. And she was in constant dialogue with Mary, the mother of Jesus. And I was privy to these conversations.

Obviously, I could only hear one end of it. But I presumed this was the norm. You know, that the veil between the worlds was diaphanous and that you could move through it and speak to it. And so for the first six years of my life, she was a huge influence. And then my parents took me back home where my maternal grandparents were living. And then I came under the influence of my grandfather, who was like a druid. He was a great musician. He was a great Irish step-dancer.

And he was the best storyteller I've ever come across in my life. So he filled me up with all the old Irish mythology, you know, the Edward, the Donald, and the Celts. And so I was raised bilingually, Gaelic and English. And then I was raised on this kind of mystical spirit, Christianity and druidical kind of mythology. And so throughout my school years, I was fascinated with kind of collecting stories and proverbs. In Gaelic we call a proverb,

we call it a seánachl, and a seánachl means ancient words. So I would go to places where Gaelic was still the mother tongue and collect these proverbs from the elders and I remember one old man telling me one time he said if Christianity had never come to Ireland we could live according to the proverbs and he was absolutely right because what I discovered is that stories are the archived wisdom of a culture and Proverbs are the kind of one-line distillations of that wisdom. And so if you ever want to know the kind of the true wisdom of any people or any culture,

go to their mythology and their Proverbs. And for me, that's the meaning of the scriptures of the world, whether it's, you know, the Bhagavad Gita or the Pitta of Buddhism or the Koran or the Hebrew scriptures or the New Testament or whatever. You know, you know, for me, they're not meant to be taken literally. They're kind of mythological representations of deep, deep, deep wisdom.

And if you express a truth, you know, in kind of philosophical terminology or kind of scientific jargon, the language will change and the meanings will be, you know, hidden. But if you say something in a story form, every generation can unpack that story according to their own kind of present situations. So it's evergreen. So that became very, very important for me. When I finally wound up in Africa at age 26, I had the privilege of learning four African languages. I would say the same thing to the people there. I didn't come to kind of convert you or just baptize you. I came here to share my story with you and to learn your story. And so

that we could cross-fertilize them to their mutual benefit. So in the meantime, I had gone to a grade school, obviously in high school. And then I went to the seminary when I was 18. And I attended the National University of Ireland where I majored in pure mathematics and mathematical physics. And then I had into philosophy and scripture and theology to that. And then went to Africa and spent 14 years there. And then I got thrown out by the government for work I was doing in social justice. I came to the States and I did a PhD in transpersonal psychology. So at this stage, I'm trying to put together the three great loves of my life, which would be science, psychology, and spirituality.

And so that's basically my great interest, is kind of meshing these great systems so they can cross-fertilize. And I invented a term many years ago that I call mysticists. So a mysticist is somebody who has cross-fertilized a real deep science with real deep mystical spirituality. And I think that actually is the future of humankind, that the next stage of our evolution is to become mysticists, where we're kind of expert in the physical cosmos in which we find ourselves, but we don't identify with that, that we know that we're spirit beings, that we're souls and safari on planet Earth,

that we're spirits in spacesuits, that we're holographic fractals of source, and that our job is to kind of imprint that reality and that wisdom on the planet itself. And our further evolution is about living in that kind of a mindset where we play our part as incarnated beings, but we do not identify with incarnation. This is a role we agreed to play in order to generate experiences for God. But our true self is, you know, we're soul beings, you know, bite-sized pieces of God. So that's basically kind of a rough synopsis. That was absolutely brilliant. I love it. It was a little choppy for me at times, but I can see,

you know, in your audio that it came through perfectly. And, you know, this is recorded locally for you and locally for me, so it'll mesh well. It shouldn't be an issue on the user end of things. One of the questions I want to talk to you about, you know, first, I thought you unpacked the brilliance of the truth of the Christ and what Christ consciousness is on Aubrey's. And I think that's a very important piece right now. And I want to give a little bit of a frame here. Have you ever read The Madness of Crowds by Douglas Murray? No, no, I haven't. It's a fantastic book. I've seen interviews of his and I really have extraordinary respect for him. I haven't read that book. I read his book.

Yeah, he's a conservative from the UK. Yes. I read his book, You Won't Go to Canada, The Disintegration of Europe. I forget the title. Can you remember the title of that one? Yeah, I read that one. I was fascinated by it. And I watched it many times on podcasts.

That was his first book. Madness of Crowd was his second. And then he has a third one, The War on the West. The one you read is the one that I haven't read. So oddly enough, but yeah, he's a fantastic author. The framework, what I want to give is in the madness of crowds, he really lays out, you know, where are the pitfalls of woke ideology and how does that actually look when we stack up some of the new ideas of progress against some of the greatest teachers of all time. So he brings in the teachings of Martin Luther King Jr. on race. He brings in the teachings of the Christ on forgiveness. And I think it's such a,

it's such a really important way to frame things because no matter what religious background we have, you know, we do have the teachings of these great people that have come before us. And, and we ought, if there is an ought, as Mark Gaffney says, we ought to be paying attention to like what the great ones asked of us and how we integrate that because we're in a time now where, you know, I'm, I'm happy with, uh, Bobby Kennedy's role in the government. I'm happy with some of the things that are happening, you know, on a governmental level. And there's a lot of question marks and who the fuck knows what's going to happen, but we're still divided as a country big time. Right. And we're still divided, um, in many of the ways that we think across the world.

So I would love for you to bring in, you know, kind of the culmination of what you understand about Christ consciousness as a, as a forefront here, because I want to frame this in a way where we can look at, at what you said, you know, the, the, the science, the scientific mysticism, mysticist. How do you say that? Word. We want a mysticist, right? We're working towards this.

This is the end goal for all of humanity to reach. With where we're at now to where you see us going, what are the principles and things that we must take and embody to get us there? Yeah, that's a great, great, great question. And I'm a really big believer that when I use the term Christ consciousness, you know, I think that that term is interchangeable with discovering our Buddha nature or the notion of self-realization or the belief system that we're, you know, we're spirits in spacesuits or that we're holographic factors of source.

So Jesus Nazareth was a particular incarnation of that mindset, that Christ consciousness. So I would define Christ consciousness as the permanent awareness of the inner divinity of all of creation, whether it's a bunny rabbit or an oak tree or another human being. So having the realization that I am a bite-sized piece of God and so so are you, and so is everything else. And so Christ consciousness for me is living with that permanent awareness and treating everybody accordingly.

Now, I think the great message of Jesus was love or compassion, the same thing with the Buddha. But when I think about compassion, I see that compassion has four faces. I call them the four Cs. The first one is confirmation. I can be compassionate with somebody by saying, attaboy, you're doing a great job. Keep it up. You know, encouraging you. That's one face of compassion. The second one is cooperation. We're members of a team. You know, each of us is playing a specific role. We can't play all the roles on the team. You know, in NFL football, there's only one role. We can't play all the roles on the team. In NFL football,

there's only one quarterback. There's a wide receiver. There's a whole bunch of other guys, but every one of us is playing our part. So the second level of compassion is cooperation. The third level of compassion is compensation. Somebody drops the ball and I rush to pick it up so there's not an interception in the play. That's not, I'm making up for others' mistakes as they are for me. And the fourth level of compassion is confrontation. You're screwing up and I need to tell you, get your shit together, you know, or we're going to lose this game. And so a form of compassion is the ability to confront, but to confront you in a way that I love you, I honor you, you know, and I don't agree with what you're doing right now. And I need to call you to task on that.

And so I see Jesus doing that beautifully. That 80% of his mission was, you know, confirmation and cooperation and compensation. But on 20% of the time, he could call out the Pharisees. Now, I think that that's the place in which we find ourselves now. That Christ consciousness in our times means that we have to be able to do all these four levels. Now, as well as there being

four levels of compassion, I think there are five outputs. The first output of compassion is neurological. And so we literally have mirror neurons. They did a very cool experiment years and years ago in some top university where they took two monkeys and they tortured, they put electrocephalograms on both of their heads and they tortured one monkey while the other guy was looking. And the very same areas in the observer monkey's brain was being activated as the kind of the monkey was being tortured by it. And so they discovered what they call mirror neurons, that we are actually neurologically wired to kind of experience the pain of other sentient beings. So that's the first level, in some senses, of compassion, neurological. The second one is emotional. I feel in my heart the pain of another person whose pain I'm witnessing or I'm aware of. The third

one is sociological. I reach out and I try to be of benefit. Like somebody has cancer and I take them to their doctor's appointments or I bring food for the family because they can't look after their own food needs. That's at a sociological level. Then the fourth level is religious. I'm going to pray for you. I'm going to extend energy, the energy of compassion, because energy, it's all energy, basically E equals MC squared. So the fourth level is, it is a prayer to intervene. And then the fifth level is mystical, the realization that this is God's gig. There are reasons why the world is experiencing what is experiencing what, and why individual

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For some reason, this is meant to be part of the journey back into source. And I have to get back off and say, I've done what I can do. Now I'm going to just sit back and let it happen at God's pace. So these are some of the ways in which I see Christ consciousness, put the nature of self-realization, addressing the great critical situation in which we find ourselves right now. And we can build on that later. That's the first hit of it. Yeah, can build on that. That's a first hit.

Yeah, I absolutely, I love that. I love the way you framed it too. Confrontation, you know, is, is one of those things where people, you know, I think we're, we're misguided, you know, when we think of that, there's, I've met a couple of people through Fit for Service who actually truly love when there's an argument or when people are upset because they're therapists and that's the thing that they know how to do is communicate really well. So they actually geek out on that. Like, Oh wait, now there's, there's something that we, there's something juicy,

right? There's a, there's high emotions and they lean into that. And I've always, you know, whenever my parents fought, I went into a little shell. So like I was just quiet. I'm a rock, I'm a rock. And, and it was the opposite of that but i i learned from that because if i see a fist fight i'm that way too i'm just like all right what are we gonna do you know so the argument you know it's like oh people are upset um especially in a relationship but but learning from them you know that piece of confrontation i think is important because and it's a lot of what i'll be seeing right now we're at a point where we have to tell the truth. We have to tell the truth as we know it.

We have to be brutally honest with one another and, and the confrontation of what is okay and what is not okay. Right. And so like, I think you agree. It is not okay to let a child choose something that will affect them for the rest of their lives. Fill in the blank. Right. And so there's been, there's been great videos showing, you know, who are super woke that say you know i'd oh of course i would allow my child to take uh hormone therapy right but i wouldn't allow them to do a tattoo because you can't get rid of the tattoo and it's like what i mean that's mind

boggling right like you actually have a better time getting rid of a tattoo than going back the other direction and still being able to have children. Right. So I think there is a point where confrontation, I really, that really landed for me. I just wanted to point that out. In the fifth one, remind me of the fifth one again, because I had wanted to comment on that. Yeah. So the fifth one for me is realizing this is God's gig and that when we've done everything we can do, we can't force timeline or a methodology on the solutions.

It's going to happen in God's time and in God's fashion. And so I have to get my ego out of the face. Having totally submitted and kind of committed my soul self to the struggle, I then have to realize I cannot dictate the timing of this or the methodology by which the changes are going to come. This is God's gig. Yeah. So be able to look into that stage.

Okay. Yeah. Over to you. Yeah. Such, such an important piece. And, and for me, that was maybe one of the hardest through 2020. Right. And I really, you know, I, I had grown up, uh, with, with a family member in AA.

So they'd always say in Alcoholics Anonymous, a salinity prayer. Yep. Right. And that just kept coming up for me over and over again. Like I have to release what I what's out of my control and foot doubled down on what's within my control. And so much of that, I think is apropos of what you're speaking to when you speak about this is God's gig.

Right. Also what, what I'm reminded of is, is thinking of, you know, like Ram Dass, when he talks about becoming nobody, uh, uh, the path of a soul. Yes. Right. Like we don't know that soul's path like we don't know that soul's path we don't know that soul's karma who are we to awaken somebody in the in the wrong moment right like it's not up to us to do that that's up to them on their own journey on their own divine timing on when

they're when they're when they're there but i think those those two kind of the rubber hits the road with being honest with the people and and, you know, still being in a state of allowing, like you're allowed to do your own thing. Just don't impose on us. Right. Exactly. And that's a huge, important distinction. Now, I think it's compounded by the fact that I put a lot of thought into thinking about the problem of evil. In theology, it's called the theodicy, the theodicy problem. Why do bad things happen? You know, and it's a multifactorial equation. And part of the thing, obviously, is that once you build free will into the equation,

you know, then people will make choices. And every single one of us is born as a narcissist. Every little infant and newborn has to be a narcissist because they need food, they need warmth, they need mommy's breast, they need milk, they need to be cuddled, they need to be spoken to. And so we all start off at the narcissistic end of the spectrum, but we're meant to grow towards service to others along the road. And at some stage, we have to cross the 50% percentile where we're now living our lives for others in the sense that we have a vision of, you know, what a loving world would look like. And then we have to take, you know,

make the kinds of choices that support people involved in those kinds of ministries. But a lot of people get stuck at the service to self end of the spectrum. And then, you know, they're choosing selfishness and they're into avarice. I want stuff that you have, you know, and I'm trying to try to take it from you. And if I can't get it willingly, I'm going to take it by force. So I'm going to get angry with you. I'm going to get violent with you. I want to create war situations to grab your resources. And now we find ourselves in a world where it's in turmoil. So that's the first piece of the equation of the darkness. The second thing is, if we believe in evolution, and I believe only in a very modified form of it, but if we believe that we have descended from primates, from chimps and stuff, chimps

are extraordinarily violent creatures. They gang up on each other, they kill each other, and they savage each other. So if we've got that kind of DNA in us, and we have 98.4% of our DNA, we share it with chimps. So there's an inbred tendency to be violent, you know, unless we override it with our spiritual sides. That's the second consideration. I think as well that I really think that there are extra dimensional entities who've interfered in human affairs. Some of them are doing a great job of raising us up and others are kind of,

they see us as a sport where they're like, we're like putting two dogs to savage each other and then getting off on the distress of these animals. And that there are beings who actually, they're literally, their food is the genetic, is the kind of the emotional distress of human beings. And so they create scenarios to war situations, you know, where they're going to, you know, create an energy that they can feed off. Now, I had a powerful kind of visionary experience in my dreams a few years ago. I see my dreams when I'm sleeping at night. I kind of pose a question to my higher self or God or my angel guardian. I said, give me input on this particular question.

And the question I had was, can you tell me the difference between sin and evil? And I woke up at four o'clock in the morning and the message I got was, yes, sin is the individual transgression of a culturally created precept. And while sin is just breaking a human law made up of human beings, evil is a cosmic conspiracy using human intermediaries to separate souls from source. And that literally there is an energy, a tulpa, a global, maybe even a cosmic tulpa, which interferes with the free will choices of human beings. And so it's interested in having us create war situations that create energy that they can then feed off. Now, I think there are extraterrestrials out there

who were extraordinarily loving beings. And the image I use is I look at Europe of the 17th, 18th, 19th century that kind of sent people all over the world. So one group went to Africa, for instance, as colonials to grab land. Another group went to Africa, for instance, as colonialists to grab land. Another group went, you know, for kingdom country. You know, I want to plant the English flag in Kenya or whatever. Another group went because, you know, they were kind of loving people and they wanted to look at the medical situation where people are dying.

The life expectancy is like 30 because of malaria and other diseases. They want to go to help out. Other people are going in order to improve the agriculture so there won't be continual famine. Other people are going in order to kind of bring a level of education and technology. So there are very, very different agendas coming from the same tiny little class called Europe. So I think the same thing is happening now, that there are beings who are assisting us to grow into Christ consciousness and there are extraterrestrial entities who are down here literally feeding off our distress. So the question is, with which group are we going to get aligned? And these dark forces are going to use human intermediaries,

whether it's the World Economic Forum, you know, or it's the kind of the Bill Gates of the world, or the kind of the Tony Fauci's of the world, who are literally prepared to sacrifice millions of human beings for a particular agenda. I think this is a real evil enterprise and we need to call that shit out and at the same time be able to propose an alternative. In the absence of that, what are we advocating? And our job then is to create a different model of education, a different model of entertainment, a different model of religion and spirituality, a different model of economics, a different

model of politics to create alternative models. So we're not just breaking down something and having nothing with which to replace it. And that for me becomes the work of the light. That becomes the job of the light workers, that they're here to kind of inspire us to create alternative kind of modalities for all of these areas of human life that have heretofore been kind of managed by and orchestrated by people who don't have our good will at heart, who are trying to downsize the human population, who are trying to create what I call homo artificialis, a transhuman entity who is a cyborg who can be programmed and hacked. And the employer of what I call homo sociopathic, those people who are absolutely psychopaths. And they see the human race as just their plaything. So maybe that's a lot more than you needed to hear.

No, that was brilliant. And I love that you took it there because for a while I've thought that. And I'll ping with a broad brush here. I love that you took it there because for a while I've thought that. And I'll ping with a broad brush here. I understand that I'm doing that. But when I look at a lot of far left progressive ideology, I see a lot of people who are basically scientism. That's their God. Science is the God. And many of them are atheists.

And with that lack of a spiritual connection yes there is a true fear of death but also the thought that that this is we're one and done right so where does the idea come from to want to take your soul long before avatar you know ray kurzweil wanted to upload his consciousness into a machine and let's build the metaverse and then we can have this you know infinite playground where we can hang out. And it's like, you're already any immortal. You know, this body isn't right. This, this time on earth isn't, but, but we already are that thing that will not go away. We are eternal.

And without that understanding, then you get these ideas like transhumanism, right? You have Yuval Noah Harari, uh, basically stating that we're stating that every value or ethic is just a construct of the mind, that there are no first principles or first values. It's boggling to the mind to think that in Tel Aviv, he's teaching a class, teaching people this, that there's no such thing as value, there's no such thing as love. These are all constructs of the mind. There's no such thing as God. And then down the corridor, Gafney's teaching a different class on that we we do need this new story we have to have this new story and there are first dies and first principles that we see from the smallest subatomic all the way up to the galactic we can see it everywhere this attractive force right the

allurement of nature to build together so uh yeah just, I love that you took it there with the transhumanist thing, because I think for part of, part of it is, and it all requires our own choice and our own yearning, right? Like, uh, you can't grab someone's hand and take them to plant medicines. You can't grab someone's hand and take them to do a vision quest with no food and no water for four days. There has to be a general calling from that, from within. And you have to want to know the divine for yourself. If you don't, you'll never see it. You know, so that crossing that bridge is also something that you can't be brought to it, right?

You have to know it for yourself. Brilliant. And I think that's the great, that was the great insight of people like Rudolf Steiner and Kennedy Anthroposophist. You know, and this notion, and you mentioned it earlier on, Kyle, this kind of balancing act between Atreman and Lucifer, the Christ consciousness in the middle, so that the Arimanic impulse is to go towards scientism and to use technology to solve all our problems. And the Luciferic one is to become kind of the ultimate ascetic, you know, kind of distance myself completely from the planet. Whereas Christ consciousness is the ability to kind of, to intersect these two pieces and create literally a birth canal for a new level of humanity to

evolve. So, and that is our journey. And so I think when I look at the world religions, and I learned this from Ken Wilber many, many years ago, that basically the world's religions divide into two kinds. There's the ascending religions and the descending religions. The ascending religions tend to be the monotheistic ones, because the focus is, you know, get the hell out of here. This is an evil place. I'm going to go to heaven as fast as I can, you know, and get me out of here.

And kind of distrust the body, distrust the sensorium, you know, that's all bad stuff. So become the ultimate ascetic and climb to heaven as fast as you can and wipe your hands of all this kind of crap of planet Earth. The descending religions tend to be much more feminine and they're kind of big into nature, you know, and kind of sexuality and fruit stuffs and honoring the body, but to totally ignore the reality that ultimately this is a mission we're on to experience planet Earth and it's great. All these things are beautiful, but they're not the end of it. And so Hinduism has this great model that talks about the four stages of reincarnation.

So you'll devote many, many incarnations to each stage. And the first stage of incarnation is the kind of sensual delights that we think that life consists in just sensory kind of stimulation. And so it's good food and good sex and good wine or whatever. And Hindu says, and there's nothing wrong with those whatsoever. But after a number of incarnations you get it, there must be something more to life than just sensual pleasure. What's the next stage? And the next stage they get then is a power, a kind of wanting power and privilege and prestige. And now we want to be in charge and we want to be able to kind of manipulate other people. And we spend many, many incarnations with that kind of a temptation. And again, Hindred says, and there's nothing wrong with power, as long as it's exercised

with love and compassion, as long as you have the philosopher kings, like Plato would talk about in Socrates. But at some stage, you realize that there must be more to life than that. And the third stage is service, whether it's realizing that we're there to be of benefit to each other. And so we spend the next level of incarnation being of service to other people, like the Mother Teresa of the world. But Hindemith says that's the final illusion, because that's predicated on us being separate from each other. And ultimately, there is only one, there is only

God. So in some senses, even service to others is falling into the trap of separation, that we're discrete entities. So the fourth level is moksha, utter liberation, the realization that there is only God and that God is experiencing through us. And that when it is important for us to play the roles we're assigned or self-assigned, we can't identify with them. And so you get this great notion in Buddhism between Turiya and Turiyatita. Turiya is the realization of being with the witnessing consciousness, the witnessing awareness, and just observing what is happening. And then Turiyatita is the ability to both witness from the outside and participate from the inside. It is what the kind of cultural anthropology will call

the participant observer. So that I participate in and I play my role to the best of my ability, but I don't identify with the spacesuit. So I know that this spacesuit here that I call Sean has a mission and I volunteer to play a role in this incarnation, but I don't identify with that. I know that I'm an eternal being who was never born and will never die, but this is, but I don't identify with that. I know that I'm an eternal being who was never born and will never die, but this is a role I've chosen to play. And so there's an extraordinary balance between the realization of the God self and the full participation in the kind of the incarnated role that I chose to play. And that for me then is the Mark Gaffney versus the kind of Yuval Harari tension.

Yeah, I love that. That's brilliantly stated. I was just, I had a thought here and it slipped my mind. Let me see if I can reel it in back. And damn it, remind us for a blank. It'll come back to you. It will come back to me. Oh, I did have a question that's unrelated, but I just, one of the questions that I had was, have you followed like Sri Yukteswar, the concept of the yugas?

And even on a smaller time scale, the concept of the fourth churning, right? That there's these mini cycles within a grander cycle of the great year. And supposedly, depending on who you ask, we're moving either out of the tail end of the caliuga or we're now into this energy age and we see this with the uptick through technology through energy systems getting better and more useful and um you know what's to come after this you know mid mid-length you know bronze age will be a silver age that's a bit longer than a golden age that's actually the longest right um is that something that you subscribe to you know like have you have you you're you're a man who's deeply connected you know and i like asking questions with people that that are in you know the the

i wouldn't want to compare us but a strong you have a very strong connection to spirit and so i i really appreciate you know when you when you talk about your visions you know and and reports back from from the, it carries a lot of weight to me. Is that something that you've come across as a reality in your mind? Absolutely. It's a brilliant question. Great observation there, Kyle. So I'm a big believer in what I call this kind of the holographic fractal notion of reality. And so a hologram is an entity that contains the totality of itself and every one of its constituent parts. And a fractal notion of reality. And so a hologram is an entity that contains the totality of itself and every one of its constituent parts. And a fractal is a pattern that repeats at an

infinite number of scales. And so I look at the fractal right now. I look at the fractal of orbiting. And you take an atom and you've got electrons orbiting around a nucleus. That's one scale of it. Then you scale that up to a planet and its moons. And you've got moons, like for instance, Jupiter has like about 63 moons circumambulating the planet itself. And we've got our own moon. So that will be another level up. And then you have orbits, planets orbiting the sun, a solar system. We got nine planets in this solar system orbiting our sun. And then you got our solar system orbiting in the Milky Way galaxy around a black hole. And you got the galaxies orbiting in their own fashion.

So it's this notion of orbit all the way up in smaller and smaller bites, every level of it. And so for me, then the yugas can get played out at many, many different levels. So you've got the Maha Yugas of Hinduism that could be 4.32 million years of age in each cycle. And then you get sub-cycles of it, but it's the same phenomenon all the way down to kind of the cycle of the week, you know, or the cycle of the day, the hours of the day. So everywhere you look, there's this cyclical notion of, you know, time. Now, time is a human construct because we're trying to impose, you know, a kind of a system on that which is totally beyond the human brain to comprehend. Hey, guys, I want to give you another quick break to tell you about

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go around in a circle, you dig yourself into a rut. So I think what's happening is we're operating in a kind of a cyclical fashion. We're revisiting the same issues continually. But each time we revisit it, we're operating and responding at a higher level. And so I think that, you know, this notion of kind of where you kind of go asymptotic. If you take a graph, you've got a y-axis and an x-axis. And if you're looking for kind of a change over time, if time is the horizontal axis and change is the vertical axis, then if we're going at a steady pace, it's a straight

line, maybe at 40 degree pace. In every period of time, there's the same level of change. But at some stage, the graph starts to swing widely upwards. And it goes then what's called asymptotic, that there's an infinite amount of change in zero amount of time. And then you get this singularity. Now, I think singularities are happening not in a circular fashion, but on a spiral fashion. And then we're on the verge of such a breakthrough at this stage. And our job as people who are attempting Christ consciousness or Buddha nature or whatever, it is to ride the wave of the asymptotic spiral and to break through into the next level. And for me, that would be, you know, I would call it Christ consciousness in some senses or, you know, self-realization. And that the very culture itself, and by culture, I mean the global culture, not just American

culture, that we're on the verge of making that kind of asymptotic, you know, singularity leap. And that it well behooves us to prepare ourselves for it, whether it's through medication or through planned medicine, or whether it's just watching little children play and kind of getting involved with their extraordinary imaginative ability to go through the veil, that we need practices at this stage to prepare us for the childbirth, because it's going to involve a lot of labor pains, and we have to learn to work with the contractions and not to fight them. Yeah.

I love that you worded that the way that you did in particular with the birthing model. Peter Krohn talked with me about that years ago. And, you know, because he knows I'm it, to be a part of it, not in the other room, but actually right there on the front lines, you get to see the, the, the miracle of it, but also the challenge of it, right? Like it's, it's buried in within all the glory and the love is excruciating pain and the chance of death, you know, the real chance without modern technology, like it's, it's, you know, who knows if mom's going to survive that or not. And, um, and it's, it's, it's really important to hold that. Not a lot of people have been a part of that.

Even fathers. I know plenty of fathers, guys that I fought with in the UFC that didn't go in the room when their wife was delivering. You know, they said, ah, I don't want to, I don't want to be part of that. I was like, how could you not? How could you not be a part of that but thinking about this it it is a brilliant way to frame all of the challenge and the pain that we're experiencing now and we'll continue to experience until we come through the other side yeah right like we're not that's that's another thing we have to hold on to is that we're not there yet and and that means more struggle more

strife uh there could you know you got the villains if you want to call that like i think guys like bill gates just hammering us on disease x and talking about disease x as a as a guaranteed phenomenon right like this is going to happen it's going to attack children it's going to be far worse than covid it'll make covid look like a walk in the park you've got klaus schwab from the World Economic Forum talking about cyber polygon, and then that too will make COVID look like a walk in the park. I tend to, as much as I dislike or maybe want to, you know, force myself to love them as Jesus might, I tend to take heed when they tell me something like that, when they tell them the masses something like that, because, you know, whether they were responsible for the things that happened in the past or just

benefiting from it, they seem to have a beat on what's coming. And so I think of that as, as like, we're, we're really not. And I think people on both sides of the coin, far left, regular left center, you know, right, far right. everyone in between kind of has this feeling right now that we're not out of the woods yet and that there is more to come. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. And so I think it may have been Abraham Lincoln who said a long time ago in the 1860s, he said the best way to kind of predict the future is to create the future. You literally create circumstances that force a particular future to happen. Because I don't believe, you know, I think we're caught with seven different timelines.

I think there's two timelines in the past, two timelines in the present, and three timelines in the future. So in the past, you have what really, really, really happened, and we're products of that. And then there's what we're told happened in the past, because history is written by the winners, and we're products of that as well. That has influence to where. So there's two levels of the past. Then there are two versions of the present. There's what's really happening in our world right now, and that's affecting who we are. And then there's what we're being told is happening in the world with the

propaganda, and that's affecting us right now. So there's four pieces. And then three parts of the future. The first part of the future is the you know, the inevitability of the future. We have no control over what's going to happen. And I don't believe that at all. And then there's the probable future, what's likely to happen if we don't change what we're doing. And then there's the possible future, what could happen if we do change what we're doing. So I look at these seven timelines and I have to learn how to differentiate and figure out what is the algorithm? What is the formula? what weight do I assign to each of these seven variables as I can construct my reactions to life right now. And to pick up on your metaphor of birth again, the realization that you're having the privilege of literally delivering your two-year-old and two children. I don't have kids,

but I had the privilege of attending two different births. At one stage, I was actually the midwife when I was living in Kenya. And a father came with his mother who had been in labor for 48 hours and is now asking me to take her to a hospital. And the nearest hospital is two hour drive. I put her in the back of my Jeep and about half an hour to the journey, the baby starts coming. And I have a big bath towel with me.

I climb into the back of the Jeep with the father, you know, put the towel underneath her. Out comes the baby. I got her scissors with me. I cut the umbilical cord in two places and tie it off and then rush the child to the hospital. So I had the privilege of just attending and being actually a midwife on one occasion. Another occasion, I assisted at a caesarean section where a German doctor in the mission hospital was delivering a child by caesarean section. But a lightning strong hit and the entire electricity went out in the entire hospital. And I'm carrying a lamp,

literally a kind of a hurricane lamp, but he's cutting over her stomach and I'm the only person present who speaks her language. So I'm talking to the mother because it's a local anesthetic only and I'm holding a lamp, but he's cutting her open and taking the child out. So having the privilege of watching your child being birthed naturally

and by caesarean section, I have some appreciation of what the birthing process looks like. But you know as a father that you haven't finished birthing your child when it comes out and you've got the ability to birth. You're their father for the rest of their lives. And particularly to age 18, you are literally, emotionally, and kind of sociologically and financially responsible for these kids.

So birthing doesn't end with the delivery of the child. And the same thing is true of the world in which we live right now. Now we're going to birth this new version of humanity, but the process of raising that child is going to be difficult as well. The bad guys aren't going to give up because the baby is out. They're going to create all kinds of problems for the newborn.

So having to have the courage and the kind of the fortitude to stay with the process, to not just birth the baby, but to raise the child as well. I love that. I love that. I wanted to ask you, you know, you have, you know, likely it was from, you could say there's some, some genetic piece there, but also just, I think really from the imprint, you know, the first seven years, as we know from Steiner and, and Bruce Lipton and all these people, the first seven years is just a, it's an imprint where a giant sponge, you know, for, for everything to witness everything

around us and what you witnessed for your first six years was truly remarkable. There, it was, it was where most people would spend their entire lives trying to get to, everything around us and what you witnessed for your first six years was truly remarkable there it was it was where most people would spend their entire lives trying to get to this is what your grandmother had and um and that that was something that you embody deeply and you have access to that now it took me really to my back against the wall and attempted suicide to really feel source for the first time in my life and then then years later still, after that, I made a prayer just to see like it was a prayer, God, if you exist, please answer me

and make it so blunt that I can't deny it. And it was with a partner I had for six and a half years. And I had pre-purchased a wedding ring and had to put the down posit on it. And as I put the deposit down, all of the thoughts of this not working came up and I saw my parents measure marriage fail. And I saw, you know, us having kids and then not working and all these things. So I made, I put it in that prayer. Like I need to know now if it's going to work, if it's going to work, show me definitively that it's going to work. So that way I can walk the right path. If it's not going to work, if it's going to work, show me definitively that it's going to work.

So that way I can walk the right path. If it's not going to work, show me definitively and make it so blunt that I can't deny it or think of this as just coincidence. And the very next day she broke up with me, you know? So I was like, holy shit. God, because it is so far away and she's crying. We live together, right? We were everything but married. We had a joint bank account, the whole thing. And I was floored. Like, holy wow. Like I have the ability to ask

questions like that and receive answers. Like it just hit me. It was, it was a, it was a, it was a fork in the road. I didn't even realize it was there. And, um, since then I, I, you know, utilize the use of plant medicines. I've meditated, I've contemplated. I do what you do, where you pull it and you drop the seed before you go to sleep. I've done that prior to walks, you know, where I'll drop the seed and I'll spend time at a beach and not think about it, but just ask the question and wait until it's revealed. What are some of your best techniques for guidance in times like this and connecting the spirit? All right, guys, one last quick break to tell you about Organifi.com slash KKP.

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and use code KKP for 20% off everything in the store. Also, if you're not sure, just grab a Sunrise to Sunset kit to be covered with the red, the green, and the gold and get 20% off using code KKP. You mentioned a whole bunch of them, Kai. And my response to you when the girlfriend broke up with you, The reason it came to me was you spoke to her and you said, copy that, message received. We'll pull out. Yeah. So message received. I think you mentioned a whole bunch of them. For me, I've been meditating since I was 18 and I'm 78 now. So I've been meditating for 60 years and I've experimented with a whole bunch of different techniques.

I was raised initially in the seminary with Ignatian meditation, which was a system that was devised by Ignatius of Loyola, who was the founder of the Jesuits. You know, and his system was that you take a Bible story, you read it, you memorize it,

then you get into the story, you know, and you watch all the actors in the play, whether it's Jesus or the woman healed of 12 years bleeding, or raising Lazarus from the tomb, whatever. You get into the story and then you ask questions of all the people in the story. What's going on here? What's your reaction to that? And then you listen for the answers.

So it's a form of contemplation. So I did that for the first maybe 25, 30 years. Then I started getting interested in Hindu-style meditation and Buddhist-style meditation. It's going to be a form of contemplation. So I did that for the first maybe 25, 30 years. Then I started getting interested in Hindu-style meditation and Buddha-style meditation. So mindfulness, mantra meditation, stuff like that. So I've kind of experimented with lots of different kinds of meditation. So that'll be one way. The second way, I live in the middle of the forest. My nearest neighbor and my soulmate lives about a half a mile away from me.

After that, the next human being is two miles away. And she only moved up here nine years ago. And so before that, I didn't see another human being for four or five days every week. And then I went down to Palo Alto because I was in a psychology practice and my church was down there. But for four or five days, I didn't see another human being. It was just me and my dog, Kayla. And we would trek all over. I live in the middle of the Redwood Forest, and there's a creek that goes through my property. And so I'd spend six, seven, eight hours every day just

wandering and watching nature. And when you move through nature silently, not making conversation with anybody, you see nature at its best. You're not going to scare the animals away. You're going to see some extraordinary things. And I have seen extraordinary things. I'm just watching spiders building webs or watching a trout jump out of the stream to catch a kind of a mosquito. I'm just letting nature tell me what it does and realizing that nature never wastes anything. So the creek would flood hugely every rainy season, and it would go from just maybe three feet high to 15 or 16 feet high. And you could see how high it got by looking at the dead tree twist it left on trees when

it subsided. I remember trekking upstream. I'd go into the stream, and I'd trek upstream. Sometimes it'd be waist high, sometimes just chest high, and I'd be trek trek upstream. Sometimes I'd be waist high, sometimes just waist, kind of chest high, and I'd be trekking up. I came across this branch of a tree that obviously the water had gone up about that level and it had trapped a wild pig skull.

There are lots of wild pigs in the area. And the skull obviously had been washed downstream and one of the branches of the tree somehow got stuck in it and when the water receded, it's now the skull is hanging off this branch. It totally got a dry skull. But a bird has found it and built a nest inside it.

And the little ones are looking out through the eyes of the skull. Now, where could you see that? There's no movie that you would go to see that. And I'm presented with this there. And I just sit at the edge of the river and I start crying. I can't believe it. This is miraculous. This is God saying to me, you know, there is nothing ever wasted. Even a dead, you know, wild pig skull is home to a little bird that's going to raise for you in there. And so the second practice is spending quality time alone in the nature. The second practice, I don't get to practice

very much. I have 19 grandnieces and nephews. So when I get home to Ireland, I see those. And then my siblings had, between them, they had like 13 kids. So I'd get to visit with those. So I try to spend as much time as I can with little children between the ages of two and five particularly, because they live in a thin place. They live in a portal. They with little children between the ages of two and five particularly. Because they live in a thin place, they live in a portal, they're constantly moving between the worlds, you know, and their imaginary friends are not just fantasy. So I differentiate between fantasy and imagination. Fantasy is the ability to make up stuff that's not real. Imagination is the ability to shift my state of consciousness,

move through the portal, through the veil, interact with beings and energies that reside at the other side, talk with them, learn from them, and then bring it back here.

And little kids are doing that all the time. And they talk about their imaginary friends. So spending time with little children, not just patting their heads patronizing,

saying, oh yeah, that's a great idea. Really understanding they're really interacting with real beings. So spending time with little children, not just patting their heads patronizing, saying, oh yeah, that's a great idea. Really understanding they're really interacting with real beings. Now, can they get off my high horse and get down, get up to their level, you know, and see through their eyes what they're envisioning. So it's just spending time with little children. And you as a dad, you know, have that opportunity. That's really brilliant.

Another thing for me is the importance of creating what I call a personal cosmology. Every single one of us is living according to an internalized philosophy of life that we've acquired unconsciously. You've mentioned that the first six years were imprinted like wet cement. And so our philosophy of life is imprinted on us when we have no say in the matter. I now every decision we make subsequently is driven by that unconsciously kind of received wisdom, you know, and we unconsciously access it. We put us in a situation and we will immediately say something or think something or do something. And if I ask you, you know, Kyle, why did you say that? Well, it seemed the right thing to say. Or Sean, why did you do that? Well, it seemed the appropriate thing to do. Why was it the appropriate thing to say?

It's because I'm drawing on an unconsciously kind of acquired philosophy of life. So what I say to people, you have to consciously recreate your own personal cosmology. You know, and it's based on four questions for me. Who is God for you? Is God some kind of a distant, demanding deity? Or does God not even exist? Or is God a loving energy, you know, who only operates through love and who is infinitely forgiving? So who is God? Second question, who am I? When I say I, am I identified with my physical body? Am I identified with my thinking? Am I identified with my profession? Am I identified

by my relationships? Or who am I? And for me, I am a spirit in a spacesuit. I'm a soul on a safari. Thirdly, what do I mean when I say my neighbor? Who is my neighbor? Is my neighbor simply the guy who votes the way I vote or who lives at the same other side of the white picket fence? Or is my neighbor everybody, especially those who are in distress of any kind? And fourthly, what is my mission? What did I volunteer to come out here to do? And so each of us must spend quality time developing that personal cosmology. And then those are the questions that's the skeleton around which I can flesh out the entire cosmology. And the cosmology should do four things for me.

It should make my heart sing. If it's really adequate, it'll make my heart sing. Secondly, it will stretch me out of my comfort zone. Thirdly, it needs to be constantly upgraded. And fourthly, it needs to have a kind of response to everything I experience, any idea I come across. Do I believe in extraterrestrial? Do I believe that there will be an end to war? So it has to be explained everything I encounter. So that would be for me would be a fourth practice that I enjoy on PayPal. That is brilliant.

Thank you. I wanted to ask you, there was many things from the podcast you did with Aubrey that resonated, but in particular, you guys were speaking, you know, Aubrey brought up some of his more challenging experiences on plant medicines with what we would call Watico, evil, darkness, that kind of stuff. And you brought up one of the stories of Jesus where it had to do with profit, profiting from darkness. Can you talk about that here?

Yeah. And so every one of us has a shadow. And when we're born into humanity, we have to kind of, the totality of our divinity has to be shrunken down to kind of the possibilities of an incarnational kind of a lifetime. And so a lot of our material is in the shadow side of us. And Carl Jung said, the shadow is 80% gold. It is 80% unrealized potential. So instead of just sitting in front of the television and watching my heroes in sport or whatever, get your ass out of the chair and go out and do something like you've done, work out in the gym, become a UFC fighter or whatever, become a great golfer, whatever, become a mathematician,

whatever it is. So 80% is unrealized potential. So we need to activate that. The second, 20% of it is repressed trauma or repressed the cosmology that I acquired from my environment. And so I think that even for a Jesus character, there was places where he needed to grow. And I think I may have shared this with Aubrey, this great story, you find it in Matthew's Gospel,

where Jesus decides to take a break. You know, he's been preaching nonstop for nearly three years. He's been stepping on around Israel. He decides to take a break and go out of Israel. He goes into Syrophoenicia, would be to the north of present-day Israel. So himself and the 12 disciples are in a strange village in a strange country. And a woman sees him and she recognizes him

because she's been in Israel and she knows this is the healer. This is the son of David who's a healer. And she runs up the street out and shouting, son of David, have mercy on me. My little child is at home and she's seriously ill. And tries to ignore her. And the apostles, everybody's coming out through the doors

and saying, you know, who are these guys? These, you know, 13 strangers in our village, they assault this woman? And one of the disciples goes, Jesus is digging the room and says, buddy, do something, you know, the village is going to attack us. And Jesus says, I was only sent to the last sheep of the house of Israel.

And he comes walking. And the woman comes up in and grabs him and says, please, Lord, my little daughter is dying. Please help her. This is a very cruel thing. He says, it is not fair to take the food from the children and throw it to the dogs. Now, if that was me, I'd say, fuck you and the horse you rode in it and get up and walk away. But her love for her daughter was much stronger than the insult. So she said, you know what? They'll be all right. But sometimes the little puppies run into the house, and they eat the fragments that have fallen from the master's tables. And so they went.

And Jesus said to her, woman, I've never found fate like this in Israel. The father clapped him upside the head and said to him, she is not a dog, and I did not send you just to the last house of Israel. Wake up, buddy. You're on a global mission for all humankind. And it changed his mission subsequently. He now realized he wasn't just a prophet for Israel. He was a child of God, awakening the divinity within every single one of us.

And this kind of woman, this foreign woman with a dying daughter was as important to God as the disciples he was walking with. And subsequently, Jesus' ministry would never be the same. But he had to learn that lesson. So he had to kind of

dig into his own darkness as a result of his own kind of cultural upbringing and learn to grow beyond that. And so if even Jesus and the world have to learn from the mistakes we make

and the prejudices that we're born with, certainly the rest of us have to do the same. I love that. Yeah. And you talked about, you know, the ability to profit from the darkness. Like when you have the challenge you experience, whether that's your own shadow work or the circumstances we find ourselves in, like we do as all humans do in the world right now, we find ourselves in trying times. We find ourselves in disunity and disharmony. And there can be a profit made from that. Not at the cost of others, not in an evil way, but that we can take from the most challenging experiences of our lives and profit from that in a way that lifts us,

on a soul level. And I really appreciated that story. So there's another great story. I think I may have shared this with Aubrey as well. It's in, um, at the benefit of taking Luke's gospel where Jesus, Jesus that is the master of the paradox. And he tells this parable, he says, there was a certain rich man who had lots of servants and he had a steward whom he placed in charge of all his property and he found out after a few years that this guy was em charge of all his property. And he found out after

a few years that this guy was embezzling his funds. So he calls him to the county. He says, I've been told that you've been embezzling my funds. I need to see the books. And the guy says, holy shit, what am I going to do now? I'm too old to get a real job. I'm too old to embarrass, to beg. What am I going to do? So he gets an idea. And he calls in all of his master's debtors. And he says, Kyle, how much do you owe my master? And Kyle says, yeah, 50 gallons of wine. And the guy says, here's your bill, change it to 30. And then he calls in Sean and says, how much do you owe my master? And Sean says, 100 bushels of wheat. He says, here's your bill, make it 80. And then Christ says a very strange thing. He says, the master praised the unjust steward insofar as he had acted wisely, because the children of this generation are wiser to

their kind than the children of light. Now, was he praising the steward's duplicity? Absolutely not. What he was saying was, this guy, this steward, was able to turn every single situation to his own economic advantage. When he was a steward, he was to turn every single situation to his own economic advantage. When he was a steward, he was creamy enough. But even when he got fired, he was able to create bribes and say to the guy, yeah, back shishy, you know, I cut your bill, you know, I want to seek feedback from that. So he was looking out for himself even after he got fired. And Christ says, this is a guy who could turn every situation to his own economic advantage.

Why can't you turn every situation to your own spiritual advantage? There literally is no situation in your life, no relationship, no event that's happening to you that cannot be mined for spiritual evolution. Open your eyes and you'll find what it is. So that realization that even in the darkness and the darkest times and the breakups with people who were intended to get married or whatever, there was light there. Now, how do you harvest?

And you obviously harvested that situation. So it's funny. I was out walking yesterday morning. I do a walk with my soulmate who lives about a half mile. We walk about two and a half miles each day. And as I was coming back, I was thinking about the notion of problem solving. How do I go about problem solving? And I created this image in my mind. I call it walking as a gratitude practice. And when I realized that, you know, the first response to a problem is not to solve it. That's

not the first response. I start going to work. The first response is firstly, I'm experiencing a problem, but I have extraordinary gratitude for life. I look around, I'm walking, I'm seeing the trees and the birds and the animals, you know, I experienced the wind in my face, you know, and so gratitude for the life around me. The first response to a problem is to be grateful for life. The second one is to use the problem as a method of self-transcendence to get away beyond the role I'm playing, become the soul that I am. The third one is to kind of, in some senses, harvest the present situation. How can I actually grow from this situation, like the steward in this situation?

And then finally, now, with that, from that perspective, how can I engage now with actually solving the particular problem I need to work with? But to go straight to the problem solving

is to miss the point. The problem solving is really the fourth or the fifth stage. You know, once I have, you know, being grateful for life

and all the blessings I have and then transcending beyond my role shelf into my soul shelf, and then kind of understanding what my mission was when I decided to incarnate here, and then figure out, okay, with those three pieces in place, how can I harvest the situation from my own continual devolution? And then finally, okay, I've gone through those four stages. Now I'm ready to come up with some kind of a practical solution for the issue.

But we all rush to the practical solution immediately. And then we make very poor choices. Yeah, I love that. I think that I'm going to actually take that in and start working with it. Because anytime shit hits the fan, I always think, like, use hindsight as foresight. You know, and that's hard enough to do. Like, every hard circumstance I've been in has always ended up positively. Like even the hardest, worst shit in my life that I would call bad always ended up being positive in some way, shape or form.

It's hard to hold that when you're in the midst of it. But I think the thing that I love about what you're proposing is that I can look at all the things I'm grateful for and hold that simultaneously while saying, yes, there's a very real problem here, but I've got all this other shit, all this other amazing, amazing blessings that I can hold on to in the process of that. And then, and then address this. It's, it's, uh, reminds me of, you know, uh, Dispenza when Joe Dispenza talks about, um, meditating to where you get into the, you know, you get into the quantum. He says that gratitude is the currency of manifestation right gratitude is the currency and i and i love that because it's such a great way to reframe everybody you know gratitude journals and this kind of shit

you know do it every day and i tried doing that and i was like i'm just writing the same shit every day here but i'm not actually feeling it you know but i think what a great time to to feel those feelings of gratitude when we got our, we were in the pressure cooker, like, all right, let me actually embody this and feel this and hold this and take that into the solution. Absolutely. Brilliant. Brilliant. So I can, well, I want to ask you, I know we're good. No, no, go ahead. I was just going to say, um, I want to. Okay, cool. Yeah. I was going to say we're, we're, we're at the hour mark. I definitely wanted to, to, to bring this into the

question because I think we're bringing us into the podcast because I love the framework of it. And then how you've really thought this through in a genuine way, you know, talking about, uh, and you already mentioned a great deal of it, you know, in terms of like the Europeans traveling to Africa, all with their own mission. Right. Thinking of extraterrestrials in the sense of that, whether these are beings from another planet or just interdimensional beings. That part of the conversation can table. I love when you told the story of Ireland and how that was split in half. Right. But it wasn't 50-50 above ground.

You know, it was the ancients went underground and the Celts took above ground. Where do you think that we, and I'm forgetting guys, Dr. Stephen Greer. Dr. Stephen Greer has done a number of really cool things. I think Fifth Encounters or Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, different things like that, where he really talks about the way to engage

with higher intelligent beings, HEBs, is through the heart channel. It is through connecting this way. And he's done a number of meditations way out in the middle of nowhere where he got people into this great heart coherence. And from that heart coherence, they started to see weird shit happen in the sky.

They started to, you know, the beings came to them and acknowledged the presence. You know, are there ways in which you connect to some of the higher beings? And if you, if you have ways of that, what are some of the takeaways that they'd given you? Um, it's fascinating because I have a whole ritual every morning when I wake up on my birthday, every year, I create a kind of a vision board, you know, and so like a five-page document where I look at my spiritual health, I look at my physical health, I look at my economic health, I look at my dream health, I look at my mission, my purpose health, I look at my emotional health, and I make kind of mantras for each area that for the coming year, here's what I'm aiming at. And part of that is I volunteer to be of assistance to discombobulated entities who are stuck in Earth orbit, who have died but are addicted to Earth orbit because of fears of various kinds of addictions, where they need human vehicles in order

to indulge the addiction, whether it's for food or alcohol or sex or whatever it is, and that there can move on into the light. And so part of my volunteering, you say every night, I want to be of benefit to those stuck souls, but don't get me into shit I can't handle. Don't give me a task I'm not up to. And also I want to be in contact with the higher astral realms, the angelic beings who can guide me and help me and heal me. And what I find out is that the main way that they interface with me is through the ideas they implant in my mind when I'm asleep. And so in my writing and in my weekly kind of homilies or lectures I give or interviews I'm doing with you, that what I'm doing is, you know,

I'm being some kind of a channel. So it means the information does not belong to me any more than the river that's flowing through my property belongs to me, even if it's flowing through my property. If I were to create a kind of a dam and try to hold all that water and claim that water belongs to me, I'd simply just flood the whole area

and do damage to it. Though I can take little tributaries off it and water my garden, you know? And so a channel is not the source of the wisdom. A channel is only a conduit for the wisdom. So the way in which I most experience that level of kind of interaction through those extraordinary, what you call it, interdimensional beings or extraterrestrials or kind of angelic beings or whatever,

is the kind of the insights and the wisdom they give me in order to kind of spread some kind of wisdom to the world. That's the main way in which I experience it. I love that. It reminds me, and I could be butchering this, but I think the Greeks thought of the muses as that, you know, the thing that would inspire, that would give breath to the art, to the idea, to the way, you know, when anytime you were inspired with spirit, you know, that breath would come through the muse, it would light you up in that way. And they thought of this as an external source as

well, you know, as something different from, you know, even though there's no such thing as separation, but something different from Kyle Kingsbury consciousness or Shauna Litter consciousness that we could access and I feel like that's a. That's a pretty cool thing that creatives tap into, whether they think of it in that way or not. You know, and I, I just, I'm, I always appreciate, you know, check does the same thing. He'll tune in and talk to Steiner.

He'll talk to you and you'll talk to some of the greats that have, that have passed on. And, uh, I don't have, I haven't accessed that point yet, but, but I do, I do love that, that there's a, a birth or a wellspring of, of knowledge that can come through that, you know, it's similar to plant medicines. You know, I, I can sit with a medicine and, uh, it doesn't fix anything, but I will get ideas while I'm on the medicine that actually pan out. If I do the work and follow through on that, that can create great change in my life where I can look back on that and say,

Hey, that's when I quit drinking like an asshole. That's, you know, because of this 10th journey on ayahuasca, when I was in Columbia, I gave up booze for two years and, and, you know, just, and now I don't, I haven't been drunk since, you know, like there's things like that where I can look back on and you can say this made a significant change in my life. And one of the things that I've gotten to, uh, through really working with the plants for so long was that we can access that at all times. And I've had people tell me that, you know, there were yogis that were like, you don't need the plants. You already had the access. And it was like, I didn't have access prior to the plants, but I now do. Right.

I knew, I know now that thanks to that connection, that that connection lives in me at all times and I don't need to go to the Amazon for it. Right. I totally agree with you because I think there are things that can light the lamp, you know, and once the lamp is lit, we don't need to keep striking matches and putting up because the candle's going to stay lit. And so whether it's plant medicine or kind of doing retreat or sweat lodge or whatever, these are really, really important because they ignite the flame of the divinity. And so we can kind of refurnish it at some times if it's dimming,

but we can begin to realize at some stage, I have access constantly to that. And so realizing that once you ask the question, I'm constantly amazed. You ask me a question and I'll say to you, yeah, there are three things I want to say to that. I have no idea why I said there are three things because I have no idea what the three things are. So I say that and then I say the three things. And I had no idea that there were three and I had no idea what they were going to be. But it's like,

was you asked that question for me? Okay, somebody up there heard that and they said, okay, there's three things we're going to say to you. You know? So tell Kyle there's going to be three things

and then we'll tell you what the three things are and just open your mouth and see what happens. And that's what occurs regularly. I have no idea what I'm going to say and I have no idea

why I said three or four or five or whatever. I just said that because I was told to say that and now I'm going to say. And I have no idea why I said three or four or five or whatever. I just said that because I was told to say that. I know I'm going to say what the things were. So just connecting to that and realizing it's not my stuff. You know, I just happen to know the switch to open the faucet so that the water can flow through, you know, and not to claim I own the water. One last break here real quick to tell you about our final summit in Malibu fit for service.com Fit for service has been something that i've poured my life's work into for the last six years And it is changing it will become something else

But this is the last hoorah. This is the last time we all get together under one roof We're going to be in malibu california at the end of January, and it is going to be phenomenal. Classes are underway, so you can't join for the classes, but you can join for the summit only, which is at a reduced price. Go to fitforservice.com now and check it out. I love that. Yeah. I mean, for a long time, it's funny, right when I met Aubrey, there's a lot of people in plant medicine space and you know spirituality space that kind of stuff where there's there's uh you know people that claim to have the connection maybe maybe they do maybe they don't but i remember us talking about paul selig and i was like this guy's writing a book through spoken word in 17

days and the book is completely coherent and flows and makes sense and it's literally coming through this guy and he does it live in front of a live audience at Esalon. Right. So we were just like, that's the real fucking deal. You know, like this, there are people that have the real deal. And I think, you know, for me, the part that resonates the most is that you, you, you bring the truth forward and it is resonant on a soul level. And I really appreciate your honesty.

I appreciate your connection to spirit. I appreciate all the wisdom through your life experiences. And I'm deeply grateful for you, brother. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. Do you have anything coming up? Are you doing anything online where you're teaching or working with people? Where can people get a hold of you? I'm doing, I'm probably doing at least one podcast a week at this stage.

I think it starts off, you know, with with Regina Meredith about two or three years ago, and then with Next Level Soul, Alex Ferrari. But since the session with Aubrey, all hell has broken loose. I mean, I'm just constantly on data, so I get three or four requests a week for a podcast. And so obviously, I don't have time to do them all. And I want to get a check out, you know, is there somebody I want to be in dialogue with? And so I have an extraordinary love for you,

for Paul and for Aubrey and for Regina and for Alex at this stage. So these are people, you guys are people, I think who are the lightworkers and you're providing venues and your job is to try to find out, you know, other lightworkers and give them a voice. And job is to try to find out other lightworkers and give them a voice.

And so I couldn't organize that stuff myself. I'm a terrible organizer. I'm a good talker. I'm Irish. I'll talk in the rough of the head. But somebody needs to be asking me questions so I can establish the link. And that's your great genius. You and others like you, because of your own wisdom, you know the kinds of questions to ask.

And then, you know, I just turn on the fast and see what happens. So without you and Aubrey, you know, I'd be tongue-tied. I'd be sitting in my mountain having great experiences and, you know, never guessing. Well, thank you. Thank you so much. It's been awesome. Awesome having you on. We will do it again. Obviously, I can't wait, you know, for you to jump into podcasting and get more and more of this going i like tuning into you whenever you're on somebody else's podcast i really appreciate your time much love to you sean i give give baron wolf a big big hug for me absolutely absolutely i listen to them when they when they talk about their imaginary friends they're not imaginary in a sense of fantasy they're real beings beautiful thank you love you

my brother love you brother