Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #389 The Science of Movement & The Art of Living w/ Conor Millstein

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

Part 2 with Conor Millstein for a follow-up discussion on optimizing the body's movement and health. Diving into the importance of foundational movement patterns, the integration of physical and menta...l practices, and the value of adaptability. Conor explains the significance of alignment, pressure, and tension in the body, and how these elements contribute to athleticism and overall health. The conversation also touches on the necessity of self-love, the balance between selfishness and selflessness, and competitive cooperation. Conor emphasizes the importance of adopting a holistic approach to movement, integrating the body, mind, and spirit for long-term well-being. Additionally, the episode discusses practical tips for implementing these ideas into daily routines and addresses the broader implications for society. Conor's personal anecdotes and professional expertise provide valuable insights for anyone looking to improve their physical health and personal growth.   Connect with Conor here: Instagram Offerings   Our Sponsors: - With Happy Hippo, you're getting a product that's been sterilized of pathogens, tested for impurities and heavy metals, and sold with a guarantee. We stand by our products so you can sleep soundly knowing exactly what is and isn't in your kratom. Check it out here!    - So if you’re 21+, check out VIIA and use code KKP for 15% off AND if you’re new to VIIA - get a free gift of your choice. After you purchase they ask you where you heard about them. PLEASE support our show and tell them we sent you. This year, enhance your everyday with VIIA. https://viia.co/KKP   - Go to Organifi.com/kkp and grab a Sunrise to Sunset kit to be covered with Red, Green and Gold, with 20% off using code KKP   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu  Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App  Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth  Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod  Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site   If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome back to the podcast, everybody. We have part two, the return of my brother, Connor Milstein. If you missed part one that released a week ago, go back and listen to that. These are separate podcasts. They are, even though a continuation, they're recorded on two different days, not entirely different content, but definitely different content. You don't have to listen to the first one if you don't want to, but it makes sense to listen to the first podcast. So listen to the first podcast. We dive deeper into this one. It is phenomenal.
Starting point is 00:00:30 We also leave people with tips on where to start and how to integrate one's body so that you have the best year of your life, period, point blank. There is another way to have the best year of your life, and that is to join us for Full Temple Reset. We have, due to the fires in LA, changed our final summit date for Fit for Service, which will be now at the end of February instead of the end of January. And of course, that has impacted Full Temple Reset, which is a five-day fasting mimicking diet. I've told you guys a lot about this.
Starting point is 00:01:02 For more information, go to fitforservice.com and look up Full Temple Reset. The new dates for Full Temple Reset are going to be March 12th through the 16th. So I hope you can make it there. If you want to know more, check it out. It is not going to be February 15th through the 19th. It will be March 12th through the 16th. So check that out at fitforservice.com. And I hope to see you guys there so we can kick off 2025 right. All right, without further ado, the return of my brother, Connor Milstein. Where did we leave off? We've been teaching so much and doing so much this whole week. We left off at some of the characteristics and qualities that are required to make the changes in a human body that most people want to be making. We're getting ready to dive in to some of the more specifics and the science of the body
Starting point is 00:01:53 and how we want to go about utilizing that education, that lovely full noggin of yours, to ensure that we are maximizing, optimizing our body's ability to do our fundamental movements and utilize the correct engine of our body in order to do whatever it is underneath that the tears right we have every anything under the sun from bow hunting to running to sewing right you want to pickleball to pickleball oh pickleballers i love you guys love you guys to death you should have heard bear though he would you played pickleball connor's really good at pickleball yeah he's like he's got such good hips i was like he does have good hips huh but when we were doing some of the tools the rmt club specifically you know we're doing figure eights and stuff like that. And I was like, all this wrist motion with a four pound weight is exactly what we're
Starting point is 00:02:49 doing with clubs, you know, and like to have can, it's not just getting stronger and faster. It's also building control and fluidity through the motor pathway, right. That were that you're teaching. And so I think as I'm doing that, I was just like, Oh, I can see right away, backhand to forehand like all that changing over uh with a pickleball and then you know i'm not i have no delusions of grandeur about doing anything in the sport of pickleball but it is the reason i like it is because i know it's something i can play till i'm an old fart and i know that because i've played with old farts who were not in shape and they loved the game and they were fucking oddly good. You know, um,
Starting point is 00:03:25 we've got moms here, you know, that, that recently gave birth that are on the pickleball court and crushing it. You know, we've got old vets who had their backs blown up that are also crushing it in pickleball. And I just,
Starting point is 00:03:36 what I, what I like is that as I become a better athlete, it makes me better at everything I do, whether that's pickleball, ecstatic dance, wrestling with the the kids teaching kids jujitsu any of it right and i can feel it in every one of those things so the applicability of that right then we all the shit that we do for certain from walking running the primal movement patterns and then the things that we that we enjoy what our hobbies are exactly and it's so important to the delusion of grandeur is exactly correct is is that we get so
Starting point is 00:04:14 caught up in our identities and and how we're trying how we're being perceived and where we are in this invisible hierarchy and things like that and And it gets in the way of so much growth, of so much of what's important. And there's nothing that you can call not valuable. It's impossible. Everything has a place. Everything has a position. As you get to know me, you'll just start to realize how much of a psycho I am. And you're going to gonna be like holy shit
Starting point is 00:04:45 connor only likes spending time in the things that have the biggest value i spend the majority of my time in the things that have the biggest value because i learned i had a lived experience of spending time and things that don't and i just realized that that's not for me it's not for me so you know i can still step on a pickleball court and look like I've been playing for years and years. It's just because I'm practicing the heart of each thing. And that's even a good place to get us started from a physical practice period where we have your body, right? What is the one thing consistent in every single sport and every single thing you named? Every activity.
Starting point is 00:05:27 The body you're doing it through, right? So instead of going out to the skill itself, first, my idea is why don't I build my body to be able to swallow those skills up, right? And if I, who doesn't play pickleball consistently, if I'm able to go on there and play well, I know if I'm winning, I know it's not that hard. It's not that hard. And versus if I go into jujitsu class, I'm getting my ass kicked up and down that mat every single day with all these monsters. I'm like, okay, this is hard. That's tough. Right? American football, not so hard. I can put pads on and look like I've been playing my whole life. Right?
Starting point is 00:06:11 I bet I could gear up right now and crush some kids from college. That's what I'm saying. Like fucking slay. Exactly. Still to this day. It's not that complicated. Especially now with shit we've been doing. And then I put a four-pound club in your hand and you're getting tossed around at first.
Starting point is 00:06:23 It's like, oh, well, okay. That's hard. Right? pound club in your hand and you're getting tossed around at first it's like oh wow okay that's hard right so we have the the um body itself right main tool number one tool we have to get good at and then like i was telling you this morning i separate my practice from my body's we'll say we'll call it evolutionary pressure i want to be aging the right direction, period. I want my body to be increasingly adaptable and in such increasingly capable, athletic, and healthy. And then we have the outer ring. We have our skills. So I put skills, you name whatever it is that you're trying to manipulate outside of your own body.
Starting point is 00:07:04 So a really hard skill, Jiu Jitsu. You have to manipulate another human body that's also trying to manipulate you back. That's a really hard skill. Right? Playing guitar. That is a skill. Still using your human body to try and manage this thing and make certain sounds. Take the RMT club from David Weck. That is a skill, right? So tools and
Starting point is 00:07:28 skills live out here, the outer ring, like imagine an atom, right? It's got its electrons and there's a nucleus, right? We have to make sure that we keep that priority in order because very often I see people skip to the skills and they try and build back but usually they end up with injuries along that journey because the nucleus the body wasn't prepared to handle those skills it didn't have the essential components that were required to take those skills on safely and aggressively like we like to do things right so for me to make sure you know'm not, I'm not here trying to prove anything or anything like that. So I'll use myself as an example. I played football. I threw
Starting point is 00:08:13 balls. I played sports. I ran, right. These are all skills that led to inflammation, pain, discomfort, lack of happiness, all of the above video you just did on Instagram was great where you show that single track movement from deadlift squat and i love power lifting i love the big three i love those things and yet that's all in that same line right and so you get these repetitive stress injuries from being in these same positions and also not articulating in the way we would in sport yeah yeah it doesn't carry over doesn't carry over as well as we'd like to. The power that you gain from those is fantastic, but we have to do it in the way that's going to carry through. Otherwise that power is only in one instance in the dance that is a sport, right? So once we
Starting point is 00:09:00 understand that balance, we understand that frame, okay, there's the body, there's the skills, got it. Right? So what happens if I take on a skill that's outside of my body's capability, capacity? I open risk for injury. And that's why I'm not going to be someone that is like, don't do this, don't do that, don't do this, don't do that. No, I'm going to explain. Here's where your body is, here's where the skill is, and here's the gap. That gap is the injury risk, which it's your world. It's your body. It's your time. You take as much risk as you wish to take, and you will learn what your tolerances are,
Starting point is 00:09:33 what your capacity is, and it becomes objective really quickly. I'm not trying to, it's not Connor the dictator telling you exactly what to do, when to do it. I'm not going to be like that. I want to build autonomy in people. I want to build independent, strong, stable, high capacity, self-aware individuals. If I dictate and provide, the very second that I write down, do exactly this, Kyle.
Starting point is 00:10:01 I'm taking autonomy away. You're stuck. You're stuck right here. I'd rather you go do everything that you're doing. Like you would have told me right in the beginning, hey, I'm doing this, I'm doing this, I'm doing, I'm like, great, do that all. Make sure you don't stop. Keep it consistent. That way you get a really fair baseline because you'll start to notice as you're adding in this new thing, you'll start to notice differences in that baseline. And now it's your own, right? Now it's your practice, not me dictating.
Starting point is 00:10:31 Do exactly this. Right? So what we want to talk about now is how do we go about building the body? How do we go about obtaining skills? What skills do we try and obtain? And? How do we go about obtaining skills? What skills do we try and obtain? And we had touched on this in the first show. There's tiers of skills. Those tiers, you love them or hate them. I hate most of the tier one ones, just for the record. I, you think I enjoy getting my butt kicked by these guys? No, it sucks. It's humbling. It's hard. And I don't get to experience a lot of wins.
Starting point is 00:11:07 I get my ass handed to me by black belts on a regular basis, fighters, regular basis, wrestlers, regular basis. But I built a body that can take that ass kicking and not be broken. I built a connection with myself, a relationship with myself that can take those consistent losses and not be broken. I'm not trying to go to the Olympics. I'm trying to be the healthiest person I can be. Does that mean my practice record needs to be 100 and 0? No. It could be 0 and 100.
Starting point is 00:11:37 If I'm getting my reps in over time, that record will start to change. It'll shift over time. I'm not worried about that. So how do we go about building that body that can take on anything, right? That's my mission. I'm not here to beat Kyle at MMA. How many years you been doing it? I retired 10 years ago, but I've still been a martial artist,
Starting point is 00:12:00 so probably 20 years. 20 years, right? How am I going to catch up for that? It's almost impossible right so i'm not even going to pretend like that's that's my mission but the competitor of course i want to that'd be great that'd be ideal so i'm going to put that as the target but also i'm going to be self-aware and understanding of where my my goals are where where i'm trying to get and why I'm trying to get there. So when we are able to keep our goals in order and we're able to build a relationship with ourselves that
Starting point is 00:12:33 allow us to grow, then we can get started. Then we can, all right, here we go. Now we can start a practice. So the first couple months of working with people, it's about orienting that frame. And because I'm impatient and over thorough, I make sure we start the learning on the back end. We're starting to build everything that we're going to need to be able to put together the whole picture one day. And we start with what I call the essentials. All right. There's a couple pieces that are essential to a human body. And the human body is one way to frame it. But if you really zoom out, what we're actually talking about is all vertebrates, anything with a spine. All right. So vertebrates, where do we come from? You look back,
Starting point is 00:13:28 way back, way back, way back. And remember, nothing's for certain. But this is this is a frame that I've chosen to work through. All right, we were little fishies in water. The in 2004, supposedly, they find the fish that was the first one to walk on land. The name of it is Tiktaalik. There's a kid's documentary that I actually really love called Find Your Inner Fish. And I really enjoy that one. It's like a PBS type of thing. And they go through the discovery of this fish.
Starting point is 00:14:01 And they have some guesses as to what it looked like. But it was a vertebrate. It was, ugly little thing flopping itself on land, sucks at walking on land because it's not made for it. But we get to this idea where there was a need, there was a reason to go somewhere, right? And when you boil down the essential reasons to go somewhere, we're either trying to get towards food, towards sex, reproduction, and away from danger. There's only three essential needs. That's it. And that alone can be hard to admit for people because we have so much safety.
Starting point is 00:14:41 We have so much. We're so lucky. At least so much perceived safety. We have perceived safety. Perception being what we're so lucky so much perceived safety we have perceived safety it's perception being what we're talking about exactly right so we have perceived safety so we don't need to think about those things anymore we still do it on a cellular level but we don't really think about doing we just are living modern life um the perceptions we'll go into at the end of today, that's an important one. So we have these essential needs, right?
Starting point is 00:15:12 And we're living on this planet, in this ecosystem, right? In this ecosystem, there are things that we can't see and they're called molecules these little molecules are made up of of components themselves right and that's where the word fractal you know the word fractal right so the word fractal comes in here and it's really important to get this word because when you understand fractal nature you realize realize that everything that has come to be visible by our eyes, anything that is matter that we can see, is built on repeated shapes of itself that can be seen at tinier and tinier units and bigger and bigger units. And those things have at their core the same qualities, the same characteristics, just at different scales. So we have this idea that we are a fractal being. We are made up of tinier and tinier units. For the sake of today's conversation, we'll call the smallest unit the cell, all right? A cell,
Starting point is 00:16:25 something Kyle studied very deeply, can tell you a lot about it. And these cells come together and they specialize to become this, this bag of water, all right? And then we get into the conversation of what are we made of? So we have our fractal nature. And then what are we made of? The body is primarily water, right? Something like 66% average. Certain parts are more water than not, but the average is 66%. So if we are two thirds made up of water, then there's going to be laws that we can go deep into. And those laws, we adhere to those.
Starting point is 00:17:11 And one of my favorite studies of water that I believe Kyle knows about is an Austrian forester by the name of Victor Schauberger. And Victor Schauberger has some of the coolest, the coolest, his inventions have touched you whether you realize or not. So one of the one of the things he's most known for is the log flume, right? He invented the log flume. And that's just a you know, neither here nor there topic, but his understanding and teachings on water are invaluable. That the fact that he stands to believe that water is a living thing, right? And as a living thing, there is a certain temperature it can exist at to be at its healthiest. It can clean itself of the gross bacteria and retain the healthy. And if used correctly, it can be an unbelievable healing modality.
Starting point is 00:18:12 Well, wait a second. We're made mostly of water. That is to say that we can also heal ourselves by operating through these laws. And this is something that Kyle's living and feeling in his own body. I'm living and feeling in my own body. There is an organization of the musculoskeletal system and the rest of the organs that are housed by it that actually allows them to stay cleaner,
Starting point is 00:18:43 to remove its own gunk. We don't need to go get it surgically done. We don't need to go above and beyond for all these external means. I'm somebody that believes if you can get it done in-house, get it done in-house before you start tinkering with anything, before you start messing the natural rhythms and settings of all the buttons all right and that's something that's super lost in in the modern world so the characteristics of water that we can really nail down today that's going to be i want to make sure we highlight
Starting point is 00:19:20 the temperature the fact that there is a temperature, I forget what the exact number is. It might be four degrees Celsius. I think it is four degrees Celsius where water is at its healthiest. So it's quite cold, quite cold. And then we have the quality of water that is structural, right? So what's water doing all the time? It's a word called resonance. Water is H2O. So two hydrogen molecules, one oxygen molecule. And when we learn that, we kind of learn it as a still thing.
Starting point is 00:20:00 Just one molecule. When in reality, what's happening is those hydrogens are jumping. They're jumping from oxygen to oxygen all the time because oxygen is super electronegative. Hydrogen is super positive. They're so polar that they jump all over the place. And in that jumping, water stays in motion. And that's why still water, what happens when water gets still and stagnant? Gets sick.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Grasty, yeah. Exactly. Developed bacteria. As soon as it gets still, it's no bueno. Moving water can stay healthy and clean. Alright, so those are the two pieces, the temperature and the resonance that we want to pull out of there. So if we're staying with me here, we have a fractal nature of things. And what are we made up mostly of? Water. Next after that, we have protein.
Starting point is 00:20:52 All right, structural pieces. We understand the importance of getting protein in a diet at this point. That's pretty generally agreed upon in all communities. Even think vegan, vegetarian, they usually take a supplement or eat vegetables that are high in protein, meaning they agree in some way, shape, or form. The way you get your protein, that's, you guys can duke that one out on your own. But we as a, we'll say a structured body, there's certain ways that we're supposed to fold. You know about protein folds and how if you cook certain foods certain ways, it denatures the proteins, right?
Starting point is 00:21:42 So we also fold in very specific ways. You've been learning some of the more specific ones in rotation and how we bend in that rotation. Well when we break that down and look at the geometry of it you'd notice oh wait this is just a structure folding perfectly aka compressing perfectly so that the decompression is perfect. And now when we get that nice clean fold to unfold, we're very efficient in the body. We're not costing any areas too much to do what we're asking it to do. And the word I usually like to use in that is integrative. We're integrative in nature. What does that really mean?
Starting point is 00:22:22 We can compress and decompress really cleanly. And in that we are powerful, stable, balanced. What exists in a homeostatic state like that? Healthiness. All right. So health really becomes a symptom of the things that I'm teaching. All right, guys, quick break to tell you about a phenomenal new company that's sponsoring the show called Vaya. Did the holiday season mess with your routine? Looking to take charge of your life with full mental clarity this new year? Enhance your sober January and embrace CBD Awareness Month with Vaya to experience the powerful benefits of hemp without the high. Trusted by over half a million happy users, Vaya is the Swiss army knife of We'll be right back. supplements for targeted effects that you can actually feel. Whether you're looking to improve your sleep, focus, or relief, Vaya has something for you. Vaya is also well-renowned for their
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Starting point is 00:25:46 And that environment we'll call homeostasis. To simplify it, balance. I don't love using the word balance because people think like a scale. Like literal balance. When we're actually talking about equilibrium. Not so much just linear balance. So now that we have established fractal nature b water rule number one b protein rule number two now we can start discussing where do we begin all right so
Starting point is 00:26:16 kyle do you remember the first set of movements that we learned your hinges your squats your planks lunges lateral lunges yep and the uh standing march yep exactly so we sneak in the gait cycle work as well right but the first patterns we really nailed down those are your foundational patterns so you being a human being you have only a couple of patterns that are the basis of all the other ones. So think about if we were looking at the stars. We're looking up at the stars and we see five huge ones. Those five would be those five patterns and let them grow to eat all the other ones so the distance between them shrinks and that makes it really easy to
Starting point is 00:27:17 transition all right really fluid that's what fluid movement is. The ability to transition from one position to another without any interruption or friction. And the removal of friction is the name of the game. Because you have, I believe that most people are more capable than they think they are. But there's so much stuff in the way, it doesn't allow that capability to show. And so now once we establish those five patterns, we want them to build until we can enter the skill that we're aiming for. And I'm not going to control someone's aim. I told you guys the tiers of the sports, don't get mad at me. I don't the rules i just teach them um but those tears you want to make a hard call on yourself and the higher standard you wish to hold on yourself
Starting point is 00:28:11 the higher up that ladder you have to climb and the highest standard which make no mistake that is exactly what i hold myself to um that's why kyle and i hit it off we agree in this way without having the words or ever have or having the conversation. People that want to hold themselves to the highest standard always find themselves to the top tier sports every single time, whether they know it or not. They're demanding of themselves, these characteristics that have to be there. Right. And I've gotten the pleasure of, of working with and getting to know really closely
Starting point is 00:28:46 a lot of top-tier athletes. And these guys all share the same basic characteristics. And the one that seems to separate, that seems to separate the high-standard individuals from the lower-standard individuals is the value of adaptability, that character trait, the desire to be adaptable atop all else. Because there's this understanding that if you're too rigid in any one dimension, you're not going to allow you, eventually you're
Starting point is 00:29:23 going to run into a wall. Eventually you're going to hit a wall, right? Why is it called mixed martial arts? What happens if you're a specialist in only one? You're probably going to get your butt kicked by someone who can mix it up. All right. Now, once again, there are tiers in that mixed, I would say, just by the stats saying, okay, guys with wrestler backgrounds, they seem to have an easier time, right?
Starting point is 00:29:47 Guys with kickboxing backgrounds, they have a mid-tier time. Guys with, you would actually know this, what's the hardest combat sport to take into MMA? To take into it? Like, what's the best thing to take into it? Worst. The worst thing to take into it?
Starting point is 00:30:08 Well, there's exceptions to every rule but i would say um yeah i don't know i've seen jujitsu aces come in that never could get like getting hit in the head so you know they didn't translate that's why the guys who have been ridiculous like the damian mayas you know they're special guys um generally it would be it would be thought that strikers if you only have striking and you come into MMA that you're not going to do very well because once you go against grappler you're done but you know before you had Wonderboy Thompson and you had uh Lyoto Machida who was also black belt in jiu-jitsu so he wasn't a one-trick pony um but guys like wonder boy and then wonder boys you know training with matt serra longo wideman all these guys you know
Starting point is 00:30:50 building his wrestling building his jits and he's still awesome i look at guys like pejera you know coming from the kickboxing background out of sanya and then pejera just got his black belt from glover tashira you know like these. These guys are becoming well-rounded, even though they are excellent, excellent experts in one thing. So would you say they were? I'd still say if I could take my pick, I would want to come into the sport with high-level wrestling and high-level jits. And then you just focus on, like Cormier,
Starting point is 00:31:19 all Cormier had to do was focus on striking. All Kane had to do was focus on striking. And they still did jiu-jitsu, but it was was like submissions and striking they're not going to be on their back so there are tears there's tears right that's that's you see that's um following the fractal patterns same exact idea right we see certain principles repeat no matter what area you're talking about and take it out of sports he and and I happen to be into sports, right? You don't have to be into sports. The same fractal nature ties into anything that we would do, right?
Starting point is 00:31:53 At the top of any practice is the same principles. And the adaptability principle, very key in there because every single one of those guys you said is doing what? Becoming more adaptable because they did the math they did the math if they do not become adaptable they will eventually hit a wall someone that will beat them because of their lack of ability to adapt so that value is the number one trait that i'm looking to build in my body it has turned the biggest result i've been result. I've been really strong. I've been really powerful. I've even gotten light and fast. And none of them led to the same amount of growth as adaptability did. So it's not like Jack of all trades, master of none type of conversation. It's that rigidity
Starting point is 00:32:47 is not going to open the doors to mastery. That's what it is, right? When you chase perfection, when you're looking for perfection, right? You realize it's a moving target. It's not going to sit there for you. It's not rigid in itself. Unless you can learn to adapt, you will not hit that perfect. And I'm someone who is, I'm pro perfect, right? Perfect does not exist, yes, but the pursuit of perfection does. And in that pursuit, these are all the things that you're going to need along the way. That's what these two shows are all about, right? And I'm not going to shy away from pursuing perfection even though it's a tiny moving target because of all the things that it's changed in me. So adaptability as a characteristic, must have. Must have it. We want to teach that
Starting point is 00:33:39 as the primary value. So the other characteristics that go into creating an absolute beast of life, all right, not just beast as in a physical sport, and a monster in life, they're going to be adaptability, number one. And then we have to have this conversation, tough conversation, about self-love and selfishness, right? And the idea that if you give yourself, right, to love others, to love others, you can only love them so much before you start giving too much of yourself away. And then what happens? You give everything away. Now you're out of things to give. You can no longer love others.
Starting point is 00:34:31 So there's a timer on it. There's a timer on it. But if we can change that lens to focus first on loving ourselves, and I'm literally saying to be selfish, to learn to be selfish. If we cannot cannot do that we can't be selfless so selfish in a good way as yeah i like to comment this because this is a fun one this is a fun one because we all have this me one of the biggest i'm a i have family loyalty tattooed on my back had it since i was 16, 16 years old. I want to give to people. That is my nature, but I burnt myself out doing it. By that time, I was making so many bad decisions that I realized that this couldn't be the best route to be able to give to people. And selfish in a good way is important to put it because people are going to take that pursuit as a negative thing. People are, you are going to
Starting point is 00:35:33 lose friends over it. You're going to lose the old identity over it. And without the freedom to be selfish, it's impossible to be selfless. And that balance, it's the word selfhood, the balance of selfishness and selflessness, selfhood, that practice of selfhood has to be very clear. And it's hard to talk about because now I'm saying that I'm selfish, but I spend all day teaching and giving my time, attention, love, ambition, passion to everyone else. If you keep doing that without understanding what you need to be fueled sustainably, it's impossible to run that for the long term. It's not sustainable. I think of the way I teach this is at a wedding where they've got a stack of
Starting point is 00:36:27 champagne glasses that aren't full and they fill that top one. And then as that fills up, it trickles down into all the other glasses, right? Like you're the first cup. Exactly. Fill your cup first. Let that pour over. The next ring is your immediate family. The next ring, Ohana. The next ring, relatives.
Starting point is 00:36:45 The next ring, work. Whatever that looks like. Because if you fill other people's cups prior to yourself, there's no sustainability. Martyrdom doesn't work. And we've seen it before. It ain't going to work long term. You have to coach this in clients. I have to coach this in clients.
Starting point is 00:37:02 I make a joke that there's a lot of tech guys in Silicon Valley who have the next great startup and they get this idea in their head that if they can just sacrifice themselves now to get this thing out it'll change the world and then they'll be able to take care of themselves and it's like your company
Starting point is 00:37:19 will fucking fail miserably if you don't learn how to take care of yourself along the way because it's not there yet and it's not going to get there until you're there too right you want to be whatever you're leading whether it's a family whether it's you know the the fucking uh the register at burger king and how you greet people it's what i did for two years right like you find the best version of myself that's the thing i give back right there that's the automatic from an energetic standpoint all the way to mentally physically emotionally yeah and i would i would like to take this this um entry to talk
Starting point is 00:37:57 about parenting right now something that i care a lot about i don't think we went into this yet, but my ultimate goal is to create a more self-loving world. And in business terms, I want to start elementary schools because I've come to understand that the size impact that I want to make is only going to be made through teaching kids. And that's the only way that I can pass the bat. All right. So if you are not giving to yourself, what type of parent comes out to your kids? All right. We see this. This is why I, uh, I, I, the, the, I have constantly, not constantly, but at different times through being a parent almost have to force Tosh to do her, you know, and, and sometimes she's tired and doesn't want to work out or doesn't want to go for a run, right. Doesn't want to hit the sauna. Doesn't want to stretch and do yoga.
Starting point is 00:38:56 And that's okay. Sometimes she just needs to fucking text and handle calls and get back to people she hasn't talked to in two weeks. Cause she's got 200 messages. Sometimes it's just me time, right, that she needs. But she has to take that for herself, right? And I'm telling this to Leah and other people, you know, even at the kids being like, Mom, you're always gone. It's like, no, no, no. She's your teacher, first and foremost. You guys are homeschooled.
Starting point is 00:39:18 You're around your fucking mom all day long, every day. Like, what do you mean she's always gone, right? Like, if moms don't take that for themselves that's where i see it most you work with a lot of women too if moms don't prioritize themselves no one else is going to do it for them she's not going to get that back no matter how they want to give that time to themselves and to answer your question in a long way they're not the best version of themselves right that they're not similar to when I was talking on our first podcast about realizing when I'm stiff from being sore that I'm going to not respond to my kids in a gentle and kind way.
Starting point is 00:39:53 I'm not going to be the best dad I can be if I'm in pain, right? But if I'm open physically, mentally, emotionally, when my kids come up to me and surprise the hell out of me, I'm going to laugh and we're going to play, right? It's good. The knee jerk reaction is going to be positive. Shit's always going to hit the fan, especially for moms and especially for stay at home moms, especially for moms at homeschool, you know? So like taking that as a necessity to take care of themselves is, is mandatory. It's a prerequisite to momming. It's a prerequisite to being a teacher, even if you're not even if you have a day job or wait, especially if you're a day job, and you got
Starting point is 00:40:28 to come home and put on mommy pants, right? Like that's, that's another animal in and of itself. But to be the best at that, you have to take care of yourself. It could be meditation, it could mean a lot of things, movement, I would argue, because the physicality of things is my doorway just as it is yours, right? Is a way to unlock that. And I think that should be all of our priority, right? And you hear that from guys like Rogan, like, you know, when, you know, if your microbiome is making your neurochemistry and you're constantly shoveling shit and poison down your throat
Starting point is 00:41:00 and never moving it out and never detoxifying and never sweating, how does, how, what is the quality or the nature of that person's thought process? Their rationality, right? What are the odds of a happy outcome at that point? Right. And that's all we can ever do is control our odds and the reaction. You put that really well. The odds of a good reaction when you're happy, taking care of yourself or putting yourself
Starting point is 00:41:23 first, because a lot of people would it in english it doesn't sound right it's like wait but kyle don't you want to put your kids first and in your head you're like well yeah duh no brainer my kids are first but it's so it's really my kids first and my wife first and the only way to do that properly is to put myself first exactly and that's that's i think so important to nail down because it can sound really ugly, right? It can sound really ugly and it's surprising. All right. And, um, that's how I believe we got caught up in a lot of the hyper masculine parts of things because it was just family first, family, first, family, first, family, first, you second, you second, you second, you second until you're burnt out.
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Starting point is 00:43:46 That's H-A-P-P-Y-H-I-P-P-O dot com slash KKP and use code KKP for 15% off everything they sell. I think that's something that we're on the verge, things are on the verge of shifting. And by no means am I saying feminine good masculine bad by no means what i'm saying is like anything else in the body like we talked about it's got to have a balance it's got to be in homeostasis and it's way easier to find that balance when we can just talk about it and not say oh kyle are you being selfish right now like are you are you taking care of yourself on purpose and um what I'm trying to get at here is that it's okay to be selfish it's okay to be it's not right context right I'm I want to I want to text your state I want to give people the the freedom
Starting point is 00:44:40 to do it and and like Kyle keeps keeps wanting to say in the right context, because he's right. If you only go selfish, you're still out of balance. So it's about those tiers and what gets done in what order and your order is your order. You can pick it. That's the cool part about being free. You can pick it it so that top cup though that always stays that's always you everything that comes after that go ahead and organize it however you want your life to be lived making that decision and understanding where those things are oriented that's what tends to make a really strong and adaptable person. Because I'm not going to judge you based on where those cups are organized. But I'm absolutely going to do the math
Starting point is 00:45:33 and say if that cup of Kyle is not on the top, it's not going to last. At that point, see you later. I'm going to find people that are willing to do that absolutely all right absolutely and and that's what i'm trying to get those guys from silicon valley that i talk about are long gone two weeks in once i realize you're not going to prioritize yourself like i wish you the best buddy exactly all right because you can't do anything with that so so um and i'm only using a harsh word like selfishness guys because I'm someone who really struggled with this. I'm someone who really had a hard time putting myself first. There's two versions of giving back, right?
Starting point is 00:46:12 I think generally everyone wants to give back in some way, shape, or form. Call me a serial optimist, but I think people want to give back. I think a good amount of people do. Have you read The Raw Contact? The Raw Contact? The Raw Contact? The Raw Contact. Raw. You know the age of...
Starting point is 00:46:27 Oh, Raw. Raw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never read it. No. The Raw Contact is the subtitle. It's the law of one. The Raw Contact.
Starting point is 00:46:35 They say in consciousness itself, in all levels of creation, there is the purpose is to teach, learn, and to learn, teach. And you have two choices, two paths that you can walk. One is the path of the self, which is service to self. And one is service to the all. Service to the all is inclusive of self, as it must be. Exactly. Because you're serving the all.
Starting point is 00:46:57 But those are the two choices, service to only self or service to the all, which is inclusive of self. Exactly. Service to the all that's not inclusive of self, martyrdom, fail. And so they point all this stuff out. I would say there's definitely quite a few people, you could say they're locked in the child archetype or in the adolescent archetype where it's still me, me, me, my, my, mine. And they may not want to give back. They might be in service to self until they graduate and move on to see like oh okay there's more out here who i do like to learn from every once in a while i do because i'm not that like it's something i'm weak at so it's something i pay attention to when i do see it but you're he's right does does come
Starting point is 00:47:35 up but i think the majority wants to serve all they would at least say that all right and there's exactly in this light i have not read this exact book. I've definitely studied a lot of the Egyptian gods myself, but, um, what I was getting at was there's two ways I see people do it, right? There's people that live, say it's your parents, right? You're giving back to your parents, giving back to whoever raised you, whatever authority figures there might've been. There's people that are willing to do it by fulfilling exactly what the parent would want. And then there's people that'll do it by fulfilling exactly what they want themselves. And what's cool about that delineation is if you fulfill your parents'
Starting point is 00:48:23 needs, your favorite person's needs, the person that raised you, your employers, your coaches, if you fulfill their needs, you leave yourself empty. And that's the easier way to get the approval of everybody. That's the easier route. If you're willing to do the work to figure out who you are, what makes you happy, what fulfills you, then you not only create or accomplish the goal of the person that was taking care of you, because what do they want? You to be happy, right? Safe, happy, and successful and experiencing joy. But now you've also opened
Starting point is 00:49:06 the door for the caregiver whoever you're trying to give back to to make themselves fulfilled to be able to say hey wait a second maybe i was spending all my time working making money parenting this that and the third and i forgot what being happy and joyous was. I no longer know what that is, but I see my child doing it. I see my whoever it was, and I wonder if they're meaning they're happy now. I'm successful. I can hang up my hat on that, and now I have the invitation, the opportunity to go back and do it for myself as the caregiver so now two people win versus maybe one person maybe neither and and i wanted to make sure we get a good grasp on that on that selfhood discussion because kyle will
Starting point is 00:50:02 in correct ways say that the context matters because of course it does but no matter the context you're going to kyle's uh champagne glass conversation your cup has to be at the top it has to be at the top and what iso movement systems is is a program to allow people to comfortably, safely, and happily put themselves at the top. And then how do we, what's the champagne? What do we fill it with? That's the education and the movement itself, right? So the principles that are being cooked into that education, one, adaptability, two, self-love, right? right loving others will come through that i like what what how exactly do you put that serving all service to all or service to self service service to all is inclusive of service to self very well put very well put because you can't do it without service to self. And once you get good at that balance, it has this magnetic effect where everyone around you can rise.
Starting point is 00:51:12 And it's really valuable. It's really valuable. And becoming inherently valuable is the most freeing feeling that I've ever discovered. It's unbelievable to realize that you yourself are the gift. You yourself are the gift that can keep giving because now you've learned how to do it sustainably. And once, we'll call that surface level. Once you hit surface level, it's your eyes open up.
Starting point is 00:51:47 It's like, oh, all right. Now I got this world understood. And when the hardships that arise in any lifetime happen, they're not going to knock you off. They're not going to knock that top glass off. It's there. It's locked in. It might get emptied. It might get rattled, but it's not going to break.
Starting point is 00:52:12 And that's when the rest of the pyramid can form. And you can start to make decisions from a very clear state. And that clarity is where I start to see the most wild results. I start to see diseases get healed that shouldn't be healed. I start to see therapists get dropped. I start to see doctors get dropped. I start to see relationships end and start. I start to see a depth of change that I didn't even know would have been possible.
Starting point is 00:52:44 So despite the physical results, which are really awesome and really special and really important. And where I started, it's these big world shifting results that I'm really chasing, that I'm really after. The happy accident was all the physical stuff. It was just a happy accident, right? I happened to see everything come together where, oh, all right, now we're talking. So I can address through one practice, my physical state, my mental state, my emotional state, and then it got so good and so strong that you could bring in the spiritual state, my emotional state, and then it got so good and so strong that you could bring in the spiritual state, your belief systems. So now you can have people with various belief systems
Starting point is 00:53:32 communicating with a growth orientation, not a prove-it orientation, not a I'm right, you're wrong, this is right, this is wrong, because no one can grow from that. We don't want agreement. We don't want a monoculture. What happens if you have a monoculture in the farm? In the farm, everything dies. Everything dies. It's a system that can't sustain itself. So we don't want a monoculture.
Starting point is 00:53:57 We want a competing and cooperative culture. All right? The healthiest. What's the amazon like it's telling a story where like everything there is competing with itself everything there is working in concert and everything there is deadly like i got a cut on my fingertip and uh didn't think anything of it while i was down for don howards with aubrey and within five minutes my whole hand was swollen. And thankfully, Aubrey had some Thieves oil that we put on, and that shit was like pure medicine. We put it on, and my hand swelling went back down, and the cut healed.
Starting point is 00:54:34 So thankfully, Thieves did the job, but there's no doctors or fucking medicine inside. It was plant medicine or bust. You're telling me Aubrey just pulls out this Thieves right from his pocket? He had it in his fanny pack, man. He knows. He knows. He's fucking deep in the game. He, man. He knows. He knows. He's fucking deep in the game.
Starting point is 00:54:47 He knows exactly what to bring. That's really funny. So the point being, this third character trait, competitive cooperation. All right. And I'm sorry if I use words that are jarring at this point. It's because I'm looking to make this change in my lifetime is why. All right. I want to see it yesterday. I'm looking to make this change in my lifetime is why. I want to see it yesterday. I'm an impatient person.
Starting point is 00:55:08 So what's the healthiest? Have you been on winning sports teams? Oh, yeah. Would you say that it was all buddy-buddy all the time or was it highly, highly, highly competitive? Highly competitive. We're getting fistfights. I was talking about the Sunnyvale Micro Rockets.
Starting point is 00:55:28 We didn't have a point scored on us until the championship game mc hammer in his prime like right as the two legit to quit album came out was at was on the field watching us rooting for us and uh we lost eight to zero it's the only game we lost that team went on to win three national championships uh against the florida or texas schools over the next 10 years. They were fucking stacked. So that's all I knew was winning. But that team was so competitive. We'd fight each other. You know, little kids grabbing a face mask trying to punch another helmet.
Starting point is 00:55:54 But it was full on. And how well did that work cooperatively on game day? We were undefeated. You know, we didn't have a point score on us. We were unstoppable. So now we've brought in food, growing food, think about a jungle, the ecosystem of a team, the ecosystem of a family.
Starting point is 00:56:15 It's not agreement that we're looking for all the time. It's competitive cooperation and the willingness to run that balance. AKA, perfect example. How many world champions came into aka from came to came to habib you know dc luke all those guys we were beating each other's ass three days a week and what happens right because because that doesn't winning cultures are rare right finding that balance of compete and cooperate is rare. And if I live my life well, it's not going to be so rare by the end of it. I want that all of the time, right? I invite you listening, you,
Starting point is 00:56:53 Kyle, you, whoever it is, come compete. I want competition, right? Kyle and I were speaking about our own workouts and how hard it is to find people to really work out with, to train where I'm getting better. I'm the focus. It's been a lonely road. A lot of time by myself working out because of exactly this. There's just not that many individuals that are willing to go to the depths, the dark places of being adaptable above all else, of being self-loving, damn near selfish, of being competitive and cooperative. There's not that many people willing to deal with the hardship of that and trust what's
Starting point is 00:57:37 going to be on the other side. Because what will be on the other side of those three values is winning, right? And winning is fun. Winning is fun, right? So people are trying to have fun along the way, which it's not like the competition. When you look back, right, you were having fun. But in that time when you're having to throw hands with your teammate,
Starting point is 00:58:07 you probably weren't thinking, oh, this is fun. I was like, why the fuck didn't anyone else show up today on sparring day and I'm the only guy for Kane? I would be livid if that was the case. You guys just fucking took the day off and didn't tell us. Now I'm his only sparring partner and no one can rotate in. But looking back, were you having a ball yeah those those are the best they made they made fighting easy we even i forgot my ass kicked on in the cage uh sparring with him made it easier exactly
Starting point is 00:58:36 right so in the in the long game it is fun but we have grown such a bias to short-term fun, to short-term comfort. It's the most present in a modern kid, modern kid, right? We have these short-term dopamine hits everywhere. iPad era. iPad era. It's all over the place. How are you going to teach a kid to see the long game through when the dopamine is just sitting right there?
Starting point is 00:59:07 It's so difficult. And this is where I really value Kyle's teaching, Kyle's leadership. He goes through these hard steps and patiently deals with his children to ensure that they are not just allowing the easy way out, which is, here's a short-term dopamine hit, leave me alone. All right, he goes through the reps. I see it with my own eyes because he trains with me. He goes through the reps to make sure he is, whether he knows these words yet or not, he is training like it and he's learning those
Starting point is 00:59:45 feelings of being adaptable, of being self-loving and being competitive, right? Being competitive and through that you find cooperation. What that allows is you to deal with those hard things. It allows you to deal with those hard things. It allows you to deal with those hard things without overflowing, without yelling, without snapping, without being violent, without being unfair, without being unfair. And extrapolate that to anywhere. If you're running a company, if you're running a sports team, if you're running your body, if you're, it doesn't matter, running a farm, it's always going to yield these same principles. And that is where my major concerns are. That is where my major concerns are. So those
Starting point is 01:00:32 three values, I wanted to make sure we nailed down and gave a full scope understanding of what those are. Because until we can adopt those values, we will not find what we're looking for in our body and call it whatever english words you want i don't care you know call it selfish call it self-loving call it self-awareness everyone has a different relationship with words so call it whatever you want um but at the end of the day that's, those are the three things that a healthy organism needs. And Kyle has a wealth of knowledge as to how to get those three things supported. A wealth of knowledge. So if you guys want to dive into books, he's your guy.
Starting point is 01:01:21 I'm obsessive with the actions towards those things. It's hard for me to look past that. It's hard for me. It's just not who I am. It's not what fulfills me. Not that I don't read. Not that I don't learn. It's that I take forever to read a book because I need to feel it all the way through.
Starting point is 01:01:40 I'm like, let me check this. Let me assess this. Let me assess this. All right. And my role is best supported through coaching in the, in the way that I do. Right. So we now have these character traits on top of some of the hard sciences. Um, and we want to establish some stepping stones. We're going to establish some stepping stones. So the stepping stones to begin making these changes for your body, like I mentioned, you have your five foundational movement patterns. We talked about all the things that go into it. Now let's talk about all the things that grow from it.
Starting point is 01:02:23 All right. So we take a hip hinge and a squat, for example. So most people at this point understand, know what a hip hinge is. This is how you're going to bend over and pick up something light off the floor, like your phone, a water bottle, versus a squat. You're going to use that to pick up a TV, to pick up a couch, to pick up a child, to pick up something heavy. You're going to use a squat. Now, these are the same patterns that you're going to see in a fight, for example.
Starting point is 01:02:56 In order to have a healthy top game, you need to be able to transition between a hinge and a squat. When you're on top, most often, you're going to be hingy. If you're able to find a squat on top game, that means your knee on belly. That means your mount, right? Ground and pound. You're in a very advantageous position. Posture to smash. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:03:18 All right? So you're in a very advantageous position. So the way I teach things, we have these pieces that you're going to learn once, and then you're going to add depth. Most programs are going to add scope, right? They're going to talk about different things over and over and over and over. And then what happens when you get so much depth, you can't, I mean, so much scope, I'm sorry, so much scope, you can't have as much depth. So what we actually want to see out of a healthy program is depth. Now, once you reach the depth that's required for your application, your sport, your goals
Starting point is 01:04:00 that we had established, now we can start talking scope. But it's that balance of scope, depth, depth, scope, depth, scope that we want to be able to create. Because there's, you have to be able to support and sustain the practice. And the balance of the two is key. What I see go wrong in many, many physical programs today, it's all scope. It's only scope. I'd rather see you master one thing. I'm sure Kyle could pop off 15 sayings off his head about being the master of what mastery is and how important it is to have your 10,000 reps.
Starting point is 01:04:42 People usually say how important it is to have your 10,000 hours. That's what it is, 10,000 hours to be able to,000 reps. Sorry, but people usually say how important it is to have your 10,000 hours. That's what it is. 10,000 hours to be able to really master something, right? As someone who's mastered, say, jujitsu techniques, how many times did you have to see it in class and then see it live and then in class and then live and in class and then live to really understand a technique? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:05:06 Yeah. I mean, it's at least hundreds. I think to what we're working on today, there's a trust element in doing it right. Because, like, when you're sparring, if you don't know it's going to work, you have to trust and try anyways even at the the you know even with the the consequences potentially ending you up in a worse position or getting punched or getting submitted right so you there's a trust thing there but it's it's kind of like when the hip the foot's placed correctly and you land in the right pocket with the hip holding everything together and the butt absorbing it you know it feels right it feels like hitting with the sweet spot of the bat.
Starting point is 01:05:45 It feels like a knockout punch. You're just like, oh, that's it, right? The whole body recognizes you're in the right position. And, you know, the difference between just using your legs on a triangle versus hipping up into somebody and tossing it on and then creating an angle and you're like, oh, shit, that was really quick, right? Like that worked that much better.
Starting point is 01:06:03 So I think it's finding ourselves in the position through the correct technique. And then when you're able to hit that in sparring or a live environment, you can see that application. And then from there, it becomes more repeatable because it's been done before. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:06:18 So notice what he just said right there, trust, right? How are you going to build that new technique? How are you going to adopt something new? How are you going to be adaptable if you can't trust yourself to do it? Never going to happen, right? You'll take a trillion reps and get nowhere. So now we're back at the relationship with yourself. Can you trust yourself to be able to perform that new thing? And then this is a fun one because this is how I learn what people really want. Then, do you actually want the goal that you're getting at? Because that's how, the reality is a lot of people want something, they say they want something, and their actions tell me otherwise.
Starting point is 01:07:05 All right? Do you think that has to do with people that find themselves – I forget. I think it was Lieberman where Lieberman was talking about the ability to fix people's eyesight. It's not guaranteed, but there is a high likelihood here that you won't need to wear glasses. But the person keeps re-explaining in the book, Light Medicine in the Future, but these are the problems I have. But no, no, no, but these are the problems I have. And the guy's finally like, listen, I could help you, but it looks like where would you be without your story of not being able to see you know it's like who would they be how would they identify if they lost
Starting point is 01:07:53 the victimhood of being the person that can't do the thing right because there is an attachment on some level to that yeah and it's not universal it doesn't mean that everybody has a problem you know that it was a car accident at 12 years old is holding on to that but but very much so that can stand in the way of do you actually want to graduate and move through that? And it does. And it absolutely does. We all have our own attachments. We all have our own attachments that we learn over the years, over, over our whole lifetime. And we do have to be willing to separate from the identity in order to grow. We absolutely do. And what I was going to bring this back to was Kyle's, we're at the wedding and we're looking at the lovely pyramid of champagne glasses. And I coach people to help reorient those classes because it becomes very objective as to what the person's soul actually craves.
Starting point is 01:08:51 And if that pyramid is dishonest, there's this invisible wall that you can't break through. And it's really difficult to grow beyond that. And that's unfortunately where I see I've gotten good at teaching, so I'm able to do this well now, but in my younger coaching years, I didn't know how to help people beyond that, and that's where I would see people quit is because it became objective that they didn't want what they said they want and instead of being
Starting point is 01:09:27 able to speak on that they peeled off to continue into that identity and that's what made me wake up to something really important that if we are not willing to shed what we think we know, what we thought we did, what we once were, what we once accomplished, we can't get to the next rung. We simply cannot. And this is how I pick my friends. This is how I pick my groups of people. Because one person not willing to do that allows everyone else to not be willing to do that becomes okay and i believe that's kind of where we're living we've we've collectively said it's okay to be mediocre all right It's okay to live a life where you're not fulfilled as long as you're putting food on the table. It's okay to have kids
Starting point is 01:10:33 even if you're not a happy person. And it's leading us into a scary direction and um not to jump from movement to the overall direction of society but i don't want people to get distracted with something that can be made trivial like your workout practice i don't want people to be distracted by that. It should mean a lot more. We're talking about what you're literally, the direction that you are going.
Starting point is 01:11:11 If you like to think from a more spiritual side of things, where your energy is evolving towards. If you like to think of it as a strict Western physical person, it's the direction that your body's aging. And I took a lot of years to build this practice to allow everyone to have access to their version of what optimal is but the things that hold true are the values the characteristics that we were just discussing and if you want to wrap it up in one, it's leadership. It ends up being leaders. You get a bunch of leaders in a room,
Starting point is 01:11:53 you're going to have competitive cooperation. There will be, as long as there's alignment in the vision, there will be a hierarchy that comes out. There will be adaptability that comes out. There will be structure that comes out. And now we're back at the values that we had discussed, the things that are required to make the changes that people want to make. And if it sounds like a broken record, because I've been at this so long that it became it's gotten simplified so I think what's really important and what I want to take advantage of this platform to do
Starting point is 01:12:32 is not just sit here and prove myself over and over but give this perspective and invite people to do whatever they wish to do with their best self. Because I'm willing to compete with it. I'm willing to step up to the plate. No problem. Alright, let's see what wins out. Instead of just sit here and prove why this way of doing things is wrong. And this way of doing things is right.
Starting point is 01:13:03 And this way of doing things is sideways. this way of doing things is right and this way of doing things is sideways and that I'm not I'm not concerned with it I am concerned with elevating all of our levels including my own especially my own levels of access to change awareness and education, self-ownership and discipline. Those are the things that I'm always aiming to improve on. And those things are what cooks into the education and movement. So we have now your five foundational movements that get a second layer to it. That second layer is where we start to see dynamism. We start to see athleticism. We start to see power come out. All right. So now I'm going to take it from the more esoteric to a little bit more specific in the physical. All right. So the first thing we established was the
Starting point is 01:14:06 intentions, the intentions that go into that, to the body that we're trying to create, the laws that go into the body that we're trying to create, the hard sciences, the repeated fractal points that show itself over and over. The shapes, the principles, the values, they repeat over and over. They're omnipresent. And now we have the actual physical practice. So we have the ability to apply the intention into these patterns that overflows like the champagne glass. The overflow of those pieces leads to the next degree of expression. So the essential degree of expression is made up of a couple of character traits,
Starting point is 01:15:07 right? If you give bear a new bike, bears is Kyle's son. You give your son a new bike. You say, son, you get one bike for the rest of your life. Do you like this one? What's he going to check? What are the first three things he's going to look on, look at on that bike? Probably the height to see if he fits on it. Great. I don't, I don't, I don't know what he would next.
Starting point is 01:15:37 Yeah. Gears, how well he rides it. Good. You know, and then, and then the look. Right.
Starting point is 01:15:43 He's going to look at the job, all that. Exactly. Right. So then the look. Right, he's going to look at the... Good job, all that. Exactly. Right, so the first thing he's going to look at is probably height and look. Does he like it? Is it the right fit for his style? Right? And until it was deeper in meaning, right, where you have to now, this bike is your survival.
Starting point is 01:16:08 You have to go get food with it. You have to go get water with it. You have to go get to work with it, whatever it would be, to survive. He's going to overlook those couple of things. He's going to be like, okay, it's not my look, but if I need it to survive, let me check the height and alignment of the tire. So we have alignment. He's going to check the pressure in the tires and their capacity to not pop. And he's going to check the chain, the gears and chain. All right. So there's three essential ingredients that we need to be able to move. Alignment, pressure, tension. We are just the same. Human body is exactly the same. Alignment, I like to use the word orientation. I think it's a little bit better because there's a lot out there on alignment, a lot of practices. practices and we get caught up with the idea of just like stacking this block on top of this block and calling it aligned when that stacking doesn't quite translate to dynamism just a little too
Starting point is 01:17:16 rigid so what we need is the orientation so what way is it facing where should it be positioned and what kind of angle should it be at and then we have our pressure and our tension all right our pressure is in our joints our tension is in our tissues those three factors are essential so we start cooking those into your movement patterns and then we have the idea of rotation. And this is where Kyle likes it, guys. This is where it gets juicy because it gets to athleticism. My man likes to have fun being an athlete.
Starting point is 01:18:00 So once we have the soft tissues oriented, joints decompressed, we have a beautiful tensioned structure. For anyone listening that doesn't know Thomas Myers and anatomy trains, this would be a good place to look at. The word that I'm dancing around is tensegrity, right? We have the perfect weave of a body. So that weave can now be manipulated. And the way in which that weave is manipulated is in a set of slings and springs. Our soft tissues are designed to load and unload. Now as somebody who performed a lot of traditional weightlifting for a lot of years, my tissues, they got good at traditional weightlifting and very strong. However, there was a sacrifice to that. I had to give up the slinging and springing
Starting point is 01:18:56 functions of that tissue. So I could no longer comfortably do things that involved like imagine throwing right punching it's a sling-based movement what happened to your punches that you had talked about this morning what happened what did your punch feel like when you were disintegrated yeah just i mean it was after a labrum surgery and i just blamed it on my shoulder but my left was also not as powerful, which didn't have the surgery, right? It was just from the, you know, disintegration of the TVA. Exactly. At some point from the layoff and not really having had that built in to my core practices. That's a good pun right there, core practices.
Starting point is 01:19:42 But that rotation, it was the first thing that came back in training with you. know pre-weights we're four and a half months no weights right and um but still hitting kickboxing muay thai twice a week you know and i could feel that power come back and the whip of my legs and the hooks and all all the ways you know uppercuts everything would feel integrated again where you know especially as i was rotating through and bringing my head over the over the foot um i could feel the integration of that and the power come back in a unique way yep so uh note the word he's saying here power this second layer that sling spring function, is all about power now. And the essentials, if we think about it like piping, right? Think about piping. The essentials is the size and the material of the pipes. The bigger the essentials are, the more capable that pipe is. The more capable that pipe
Starting point is 01:20:48 is, the more power or pressure we can send through it without bursting the pipes. And most people are walking around sending tons of pressure through tiny pipes, eventually just asking that thing to pop. I'm laughing because I know Kyle will want to go here, and this is where I'll go off on a spiel about... Butt stuff. You weren't going to say butt stuff? Okay. All right.
Starting point is 01:21:20 I just thought that's where we were going to go with the next one. We can go butt stuff later. Pressure of pipes, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I understood where your head goes, Kyle. And now this is where it goes into the corruption in the Western medical industry. Because I'm no rocket scientist, Kyle. but it doesn't, it's, it's not that complicated to understand what's actually going on in the human body, right? If you just watch these two episodes of podcasts, you're going to learn a whole lot. And I believe that other people understand this too. And that if you do this right right if if i'm successful and i teach the body and transform a body right
Starting point is 01:22:08 the need for support from medicine yeah i haven't seen a doctor in years my both of our kids we have a functional medicine doctor that's maybe an hour and 40 minutes away from us in marble falls shout out to dr amy off but she's incredible you know we brought in wolfie at two the first time she saw a doctor birthed at home first time she saw a doctor was at two and she said you know bring her back in a couple years if you like or not or not you know like she knew she's like there's no necessity for us to bring that in. None whatsoever. Exactly. If the kids get sick, they get over it.
Starting point is 01:22:48 They run a fever, they get over it. Before anyone that gets up in arms, I saw this through myself. I went through all the schooling that I would need to become a doctor. I literally put my foot in the door to go smell it myself because I was raised, my mother was on the more spiritual side, Eastern medicine side of things. My father was a little bit more, he was like on the fence in between, just not, you know, if you don't absolutely need it, don't go. But he still relied pretty heavily on basic medicines, even Advil, things of that nature. So, yeah, we could go into a whole aside of how messed up the industry is in that we've made it all right to treat symptoms
Starting point is 01:23:43 over root causes and chase symptoms, right? And then you end up with a stack of medications so big that it's almost like how do you fit anything else in yourself, right? It's wild. So not going down that route yet. We'll stay on the body at first. We now have an athletic, slinging, springing body in this second layer and you see those five movement patterns adapt and evolve all right so we have now branching going on all right branching
Starting point is 01:24:17 a full tree would be like someone who's who is very good at mixed martial arts, right? They have a full tree of different things that they can do. But the healthiness of those branches is going to be determined by how high of a capacity their body has for movement. Because if your body is a poor rotational, poor slinging, springing body, the capacity to keep doing those movements and exploring that tree you got tiny little branches if i blow on it done right and this is where people start to specialize as they age as they age they just chop branches and they're just left with okay i can do this and i can do this and that's what I'm going to do. And that's what I'm going to do over and over.
Starting point is 01:25:08 And all of a sudden, the fun of having that full tree goes away. And people retire because they fall out of love with it. When in reality, they've diminished their opportunities to be successful to two little tiny branches that are costing the whole tree to support and that's no fun that is no fun at all and people lose love for for things that or get told worse yet get told that they're getting old yeah they get told that they're getting old right i watched i watched jordan burrow's body i got to watch him i lived with him where every day in the gym six in the morning every single day and i watched his body become athletic before my eyes and crazy to think top tier athlete non-athletic body crazy to think about right but um his ability to run
Starting point is 01:26:07 or let's let's use we'll have some fun with it sorry jb i love you uh i got a text from his wife one day lauren amazing woman they were at the batting cages all right and this was like a year and a half maybe two years into he until he and I were working together. She's like, I don't know what you did, but all of a sudden my husband can swing a baseball bat. She was like, one of the least sexy things. JB's a beautiful, sexy-looking dude. One of the least sexy things about him was that he couldn't swing a baseball bat.
Starting point is 01:26:39 Lauren played softball. And he couldn't swing it. He looked silly swinging a bat. And all of a sudden, can swing a baseball bat. Right? All right. One last quick break to tell you about Organifi.com
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Starting point is 01:28:40 were able to show up everywhere. And now you have a gold medal winning athlete actually being athletic, where they can take it into different areas. They become increasingly capable across the board. So what I want to make sure we nail down through the end of these two shows is that everyone has to adhere to the essentials. I've gotten more confident and comfortable with challenging people to that second layer because ultimately in the human body
Starting point is 01:29:17 it is designed to be athletic. It is designed to sling and spring. I used to feel guilty inviting people to be athletic because I think that I was afraid to attack the identity part of it that people hold on to. But I've grown a little more mature in that route where I am 100% challenging your identity and saying that if it's not coming through a balanced, healthy, joyous, happy lens, it's keeping you from those things. And I've had enough of beating around the bush with it is what it is.
Starting point is 01:29:59 I've had enough of that. And another reason I avoided that level of honesty was because i didn't want to get caught up as being an asshole i'm like i said at the heart of things guys i'm a giving overgiving selfless creature that had to learn the hard way that there's a bad side to that that there's you You can overdo that. You can overcook that. So to wrap up the body side of things, build your essentials. Learn how to move through orientation or alignment, pressure and tension. Learn how to take that and overflow it so that you can become dynamic with your pressure and tension. And then as once you do or as you do, it depends on where you are in your more mental, emotional, and spiritual practices, depending on where you are with that, is how many projects you can stack on at the same time.
Starting point is 01:31:04 Because eventually you will have to go back to listen to the first half of this episode and get those characteristics and intentions built in. And I've seen people to be really upfront with it. People like Kyle here. People like the reason I'm sitting here with Kyle. Can't go without mentioning my best good buddy in the whole wide world, Flynn Skidmore. Excellent therapist, top tier coach. The people that I see coming in with this background from these awesome, awesome men have an easier time of learning the more important things. A lot of people I'm dealing with are in pain, so they have to learn the physical things.
Starting point is 01:31:52 And that pain is almost a temporary, it's like training wheels. It's like training wheels, right? It's just the first entry point because when people are in pain, you can hide the rest of certain characteristics that led to certain decisions that led to increasing the odds of pain. So that first half, guys, listen over and over. Listen over and over and let it be a broken record because those characteristics I've spent a lifetime boiling down everything I know to a couple of characteristics that have shown at the peak of everything over and over and over. They always show up and they're why somebody like Kyle would want me to be sitting here. Because I live them. And I've allowed myself to take them on and put them above what I thought to maybe be true and right all the time.
Starting point is 01:33:19 And it allowed me to gain mastery over something. I just happened to pick something that I knew would be really valuable to a lot of people, which is the one thing we bring into all things ourselves. So, um, that said, I want to make sure Kyle didn't bring up any, have any questions pop up in that big noggin as I went on that whole spiel. Nothing. That was great, brother. You enjoy that? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:33:48 Yeah, I think that I'm really excited to watch Kyle continue to develop himself through this process. We spoke earlier today. He's at a really cool point. I was very upfront with him because he's done all the work on the mental, emotional, and spiritual side of things that I can communicate with him in ways that would be a little stark or blunt to someone that hasn't developed those parts. And I told him very honestly, he's at a point of letting go of an old identity of an old variation of what got him, you know, very far in a lot of ways in life. And that's a lot to do that. And it's not just me, some random person telling him to do that because I feel like he should. He's seen the changes in his body that allow it to be like, okay, maybe I should surrender to this. Maybe what happens if I do at least, right? We've
Starting point is 01:35:00 sparked the curiosity. And that's my role. that's what my role is i'm not going to walk walk the horse all the way through and force him to drink all i can do is bring you to it and the strength of that champagne pyramid is really what's going to now control how far you can take that. And I'm really excited to watch Kyle's athleticism not just return, but be able to push it to the next degree because these guys are physical freaks, right? He's put in so many years of reps that I just didn't. I was partying away or then in a lab reading away and working on my body and that was my own experiment. I had to figure it out and it should be really cool to watch. It should be really cool to watch what you're able to do with it. The importance of people like Kyle, people like Flynn. These guys are highly intelligent
Starting point is 01:36:13 and asking you, giving you, they're giving you the resources to begin reformatting your your mind to be able to make work of somebody like myself so much more approachable guys and it will save you a ton of time sweat tears and money if you if you're willing to go through a lot of those steps so i think it's it's worth researching these people. They've compiled their work for you guys. And have allowed you to, now you can just simply read it. Don't waste time like I did. Don't waste time like I did. There's shorter pathways. Yeah, Kyle.
Starting point is 01:36:59 Thank you so much. I really enjoyed this. I think that I got out everything that I needed to. Fuck yeah, brother. Well, again, we'll link in the show notes to where people can get a hold of you, the Instagram handle, and, you know, just fucking see it for yourself. You know, watching, again, when I was making this, when we were teaching together for fit for service in our class
Starting point is 01:37:25 i was you know made a joke 10 years ago i would have i would have scoffed at at the idea of training this way and it made it maybe only only have an interest through injury right um but when i watch your instagram channel you can tell some guys are like, they're too caught in the identity of, I need to have a big squat, a big deadlift. I need to have fucking my arms as big as possible. Um, and that's okay. You can go that route, take it as far as you can. Right. But when I see you move, there's a freedom in the way you move and that I'm envious of that. Right. Because I've, I've caught glimpses of that in myself and an ecstatic dance. I've caught glimpses of that dancing with my wife. I've caught glimpses of that in sparring
Starting point is 01:38:10 or even in a fight. I did a microdose when I fought Jason Ellis and I was like, holy shit. It just felt like something unlocked. You know, all my nerves were gone and I was in a dance, you know? And so I think that that, and this isn't to go fight people
Starting point is 01:38:23 or do exhibition matches. It's for the ability to move in that way, the freedom of moving that way. And that carryover is hard to list all the things that benefit from that because it benefits everything in its own way. So thank you, brother. Thank you very much. It's cool to get to do this with you six months down the road, you know, and, and six months into our journey together, which is just starting. And already, you know, it isn't fun along the way.
Starting point is 01:38:58 And it is fun all along the way, because I'm getting better all along the way. And every time we add something in new that sucks, like today workout it was like this sucks my boys are walking the dogs by they got the garage door open they're looking in like what is this stop drop and roll I look like I'm a fucking burn victim trying to put out a fire you know but only using my core to turn over with straight arms and straight legs you know and I was like what the fuck is this you know cores know, and I was like, what the fuck is this? You know, cores on fire. And I was like, I love it, man. So I love, you know, something I always appreciated about going into a gym, in particular martial arts gym, particularly jujitsu, but also striking is that I didn't have to think up my own workout. Somebody else was going to do the workout for me. Someone else has thought about it and I was going to learn something new. Right. And so every time we train, I don't have to think of what I'm going to do,
Starting point is 01:39:47 but I am going to, I'm going to learn something new that day. And then I get to practice that until our next session. And that practice brings some level of maybe not mastery, but some level of comfort, some level of mastery where I'm actually getting better at those positions. And that translates to everything. It translates to pickleball. It translates to jits. It translates to how I punch a bag. So, uh, even running, like we fucking ran together. And that was the first time in
Starting point is 01:40:14 six months probably where I could run sprints without pulling, having a calf strain in my right calf. That was awesome. Today I wake up, both calves are evenly sore all the way through and i was like this is fucking perfect both calves are equally sore exactly how it should have been it was 6 a.m when i found that out he had a big smile on his face he goes yeah my calves are evenly sore yeah it took me fucking six months to get that right like i i don't i don't want to run marathons or anything like that but i want to be able to run. And I understand the importance of running. I also understand the importance of like, shit, it's the fan.
Starting point is 01:40:49 I'm going to need to sprint. I want to be capable of that. You know, if I'm, whatever I'm incapable, that's a liability. You know, even from a prepper standpoint, you know, I want full use of my fucking body for as long as possible. Oh yeah. You hit the nail on the head, right? It's freedom. The word is freedom.
Starting point is 01:41:05 That's what I'm concerned about.'s what i'm what i'm here for because what we're what we're seeing in the world is the people that are making decisions right the people that are making decisions that affect everybody they are hopped up on every single medication you could think, unable to move in their bodies, couldn't survive if you asked them to, aka they're walking around scared of everything. Our brain requires the ability to confidently escape danger or get towards food or get towards sex. That's all our brain requires, to be free. And once we accomplish that, health is an awesome side effect.
Starting point is 01:41:50 So I'm healthy, I look good, and I'm as athletic as I've ever been. Every day I wake up more athletic than I was the day before. More athletic. I'm 33, feeling, I've never felt this good. I can't even, I've never felt this good. I can't even. I've never felt this good.
Starting point is 01:42:10 Granted, I'm good at it. I made this my career, but I'm no super athlete, guys. I'm no super athlete. It really doesn't take much. Some of these weeks I'm training with in particular the stuff that you're giving me twice a week sometimes. It's not
Starting point is 01:42:25 crazy people get away with murder man well i i don't say this very often because i don't like the giving the wrong people the wrong idea but i see people once a week only in their session and still achieve the results that they need yeah it's it's crazy when you feed the body the things that it can digest. It's really crazy how little we need. It still blows my mind to this day. Yeah. Well, everything you're mapping
Starting point is 01:42:55 is back to correct patterns, right? So I think there is a desire from the body to be back there. But brother, thank you again. I love you, buddy. This is fucking rad. We'll do more in the future. Yes.
Starting point is 01:43:06 And link to everything in the show notes for the folks. Link to everything in the show notes, guys. Yeah, like Kyle just said, it's very much just getting started. I spent the better part of the last 12 years ensuring that anything that I ever teach, anything you hear come out of my mouth is 101% true.
Starting point is 01:43:26 I've lived it myself and experimented on myself and I would never, ever teach something that I'm not a master of. I would never open my mouth about it. And love you all. Anyone that's listening. Kyle, love you.
Starting point is 01:43:42 And I can't wait to see what the future holds. Look at brother. Thank you. Let's roll.

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