Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #392 Exploring the Truth w/ Dr. Peter A. McCullough: A Deep Dive into COVID-19

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

Welcoming Dr. Peter McCullough, a prominent internist, cardiologist, and epidemiologist. Dr. McCullough gained widespread recognition following his appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience in 2021, where he critiqued the global response to COVID-19. Throughout the episode, we discuss Dr. McCullough's extensive background, his observations during the pandemic, and the development of the McCullough Protocol for early treatment of COVID-19 to prevent hospitalizations. Dr. McCullough sheds light on the controversies surrounding the suppression of early treatments and natural remedies, which he believes are being sidelined globally in favor of vaccines and more aggressive treatment measures. He also talks about natural products like natokinase, bromelain, and curcumin, which have shown promise in detoxifying the body from the spike protein associated with COVID-19 and its vaccines. The conversation extends to systematic efforts to suppress alternative treatments and insights into the coordination of global health policies.    Connect with Peter here: Instagram Books Personal Website McCullough Foundation Courageous Discourse Substack   Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. With Happy Hippo, you're getting a product that's been sterilized of pathogens, tested for impurities and heavy metals, and sold with a guarantee. Go to happyhippo.com/kkp and use Code KKP for 15% off the entire store Full Temple Reset is happening soon and it will be a life changing experience. Join us! Organifi.com/kkp and grab a Sunrise to Sunset kit to be covered with Red, Green and Gold, with 20% off using code KKP Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome to today's podcast. We have a bucket list guest in Dr. Peter McCullough. Dr. Peter McCullough first blew up on the scene in 2021, well, my scene at least, in 2021 on the Joe Rogan experience, where he took a deep dive against what appeared to be at the time and certainly is now confirmed a global attempt

to persuade us into one course of action for COVID-19. I'm just gonna briefly dive into some of his bio because it's fairly long to persuade us into one course of action for COVID-19. I'm just going to briefly dive into some of his bio because it's fairly long and I don't want to take up too much time getting into that. We will discuss it in the podcast, but Dr. McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, holding degrees from Baylor University, University of Texas Southwestern Medical School, University of Michigan, and Southern Methodist University. He manages common infection diseases as well as cardiovascular complications of both the viral infection and the injuries developing after the COVID-19 vaccine in Dallas, Texas, USA. This guy has been cited in

academic papers and journals more than any other doctor of his kind. He truly is one of a kind, and we discuss a lot. We rehash what happened in 2020 and 2021. And for as dark as the podcast is, there is a lot of light at the end of the tunnel here. There are so many remedies for the injuries that have been caused and almost all of them are 100% natural or coming from something that's 100% natural. It's truly remarkable. And it's a point on a spiritual side that you can't overlook. It's really, really cool. Dr. Peter McCullough is a part of the wellness company and they make some fantastic things that we'll dive into at the end of the podcast. This was one of my all-time

favorites. Dr. McCullough came down on bus from Dallas to my ranch in Lockhart and we podcasted face-to-face and just literally was one of the coolest things ever. I got to pick him up and drive him back to Austin. We spent extra time together. I absolutely love Dr. Peter McCullough and hope to be podcasting with him again soon. There are many ways you can support this podcast. Share it with friends. Leave us a five-star rating with one or two ways the show's helped you out in life and support our sponsors.

They make this show fiscally possible. All right. Without further ado, Dr. Peter A. McCullough. Dr. McCullough, thank you so much for joining the podcast. I can't believe I finally made it on the podcast. Let me tell you what, this is absolutely terrific. It's great to be here. I'm overwhelmed with all the animal life on the property. We've been slowly cultivating over the last few years and yeah they're special we didn't we didn't do any hunting just to see how the herds would do through you know hot summers

cold winters and then we had our first real hunt around new year's and it was it was really special and the kids finally got to eat some of our as local as it gets local food and get to honor the animals so it's been it's been a really fun process. How did the kids take it? You know, my daughter's four. So, and she loves the animals. So if I say, Hey, you're eating black buck, you should be like the champion, the daddy buck.

And I was like, I got to let her know after the fact. And, uh, you know, she's there for a while when we feel dress and things like that and understands that that cycle of life takes us doing as much as we can with the animal to honor it, and so she's happy to eat it. Bear loves it. He's ready to hunt. It's just the hunting rounds necessary to take down a red stag are a bit bigger than what a nine-year-old can handle, so he's just waiting on that, but he went out and tailed us for a whole bunch of them, and he's been field dressing, so it's been a really fun experience for him.

That's so awesome. My wife and I had a chance to go to Exuma, which is one of the lesser developed islands in the Bahamas. And the family that hosted us was really a seafaring family. So they were water oriented, just like you are land oriented. And when we went out on this boat, the kids who were between eight and 12, they got into a very natural hunter mode. They had spear guns, they had goggles. They had flippers. They asked the dead to take them out to certain areas where they knew the prey would be. And then we would watch them dive just with snorkels. They would dive, hold their breath, go down, find a little hole where the grouper are. I learned that grouper are actually living in these coral, mounds of coral where there's a hole. And they literally sit there and their mouth

is right there and they go right up to him and boom spear him and the spear can go through almost through the whole body of the grouper and they pull it out and the kids will come up triumphantly with a grouper on a spear that's so cool and then we we ate them later that night and i thought about i said you know chances are the bahamians and people who live in that area they have been doing that hundreds of years that they they it's it's a natural very primal thing to hunt and procure food and eat it boy was it good oh yeah so good I got to get a we've had conch when we were out there and as I was just blown away. Well, the conch salad.

Yeah. Right? Incredible. Incredible. They spice it up, but we had to go for it. Things are hot, that's for sure. We had to go for a conch salad, but we had a great time there. It was interesting. Nixuma, as an island, was originally, I guess, conquered by the British, and they brought slaves. They brought slaves from Africa there.

And the British learned that virtually nothing can grow on Exuma. It's just almost cannot be farmed for anything. It's just kind of groves of these bristly bushes and plants. And so they gave up on it. They left, and they largely left their slaves they left and they largely left uh their their slaves there and they became the bohemians and later on the dutch and others and so you know we had a great time they have a regatta down there where um that is that is like their big championship which is a skilled racing uh event and so it's coming up in April. We may go down

again to just a really, really fun place. And we learned a lot about people who can slow down and not panic with all the news floating around us. the news that's in a sense penetrating our lives through forms of media. Yeah, and that's a huge topic. I'm happy you brought that up because it's definitely something I want to cover today. You know, with potential PSYOP after PSYOP after PSYOP, that seemed to be going on and we can unpack that. That's a word that gets tossed around sometimes and not really unpacked, but I think we can definitely unpack that in certain ways. And for people, I guarantee anybody who's listening to this knows who you are, but I love, you know, when you break down different people who have been, you know, on the side of the truth that have spoken out and taken arrows and really, you know, at the cost of their

careers, in certain circumstances, put their neck on the line to tell the truth. There's many greats, there's Robert Malone, there's Bobby Kennedy, there's a number of people who I really am fond of. But of all of them, you seem to have the most accreditation in these fields when it comes to that, you know, you were perhaps the most decorated doctor going into COVID and through COVID, maybe one of the best person to speak to these issues. So talk about your background, because I think it's really cool. You know, you've spoken all over the world. You've had so many papers. I'd love to get that just so the audience understands who you are. And then we can dive into perhaps a bit from 2020, 21, and all the way up to today. Americans should recognize that we have this entire field of medicine and health

care. And the field most broadly is a field of people who are highly skilled. But one would acknowledge, you know, a nurse who can do a particular set of procedures or someone in an operating room, whether they be a technician, a nurse, or a doctor, that these are skill levels that we rely on. So, you know, when we go undergo an operation, we are reliant on a ton of skill and technology. and it's been refined over time. America's generally thought to be a leader in healthcare and medicine in the world. And so the workforce broadly is a million doctors. About 90% of them are MDs. 10% are DOs that largely now have the same credentialing and background. We have half a million nurse practitioners and physician assistants. We have only about 70,000 natural doctors or people in the field.

And believe it or not, in there we include chiropractor, we include naturopathic physicians, homeopathic doctors, different accrediting pathways, acupuncturists. We have millions of nurses. I'm not sure what the number is, maybe 7 million. And then, of course, we have all the hospitals and clinics and healthcare systems. So in total, healthcare is about 17% of our gross domestic product. Healthcare for sure is the largest employer in almost every small and middle-sized city. Healthcare is the leading employer of single mothers. So healthcare is important on the delivery when you're a patient but it's also important for the workforce so in that entire broad palette of health care and by the way health care is you're some countries that try to keep health care less than five percent of gdp i've been to hong kong

and they were proud to tell me that in Hong Kong, it's 5% of GDP. Canada and other countries try to keep it 5% to 10% of GDP. We like to spend money on health care. It's just who we are. It's just we have a spend on this. But within health care, we have the vanguard, which is the academic institutions that are creating new knowledge, doing the research, finding the new surgical methods, what have you. So if we have 5,600 hospitals, which is roughly the number, there are 2,200 acute care hospitals and about 350 medical schools, which are affiliated with those acute care hospitals. So in the academic echelon, now we're at the level of the most competitive

in terms of edge players, people with ideas, people who believe they're the best. And for that reason, that institution is the best. And you can't go to any city without seeing a billboard saying, you show a hospital and it'll say, we're the best. We're the best at cardiovascular. We're the best at cancer. We're the best at spinal surgery, right? So there's a bravado in medicine. There really is. And I kind of like that. There's probably a bravado in boxing and in sports, right? There's people who, you ever watch a sports game and people say, you know, oh, they're talking smack, right? They're talking smack. Well, in medicine, there'll be people who say, listen,

you know, I'm the most published person in my field. And because of this, my institution is the best, what have you. So, you know, I was part of that upper echelon. I grew up down here in Texas and went to undergraduate at Baylor, then University of Texas Southwestern, fought to be the top person clinically in my class. I went to University of Washington in Seattle for my residency, which was the top place to go in medicine, just ahead of the Harvard programs at the time. When I was at Southwestern, the Nobel Prize was awarded there in medicine. That's big time. When I was at University of Washington, the Nobel Prize, I didn't have a role in that. But the point is, I was in that milieu. I did three years of public service, went to an underserved

community in Michigan, privately contracted through a hospital system. I attended graduate school at the University of Michigan, the School of Public Health, one of the top institutions in the United States. Did my fellowship at what's now the Oakland University William Beaumont School of Medicine. So, you know, I had already started to build this pedigree from the time I left the house at age 17 to the time I was fully baked was another 17 years. Wow. That's like almost as long as people's military careers. Yeah. So the amount of work and dedication it took just to become quote fully baked and ready to go is a huge investment that the general public

doesn't know. And then from there, you know, I practiced both internal medicine and cardiology in academic medical centers, participated in clinical trials, was clearly collaborative, became the editor of two major journals over time. I'm currently the editor of a newer journal, published the textbook chapter in the Bible of cardiology called Braunwald's Textbook of Cardiology out of Harvard, and lectured all over the world, amassed a publication record, amassed a very nice research team in Dallas, had nine people on a research team, three PhDs. It means we had to get grants and clinical trials to support all of that.

And I was a household name. I mean, I testified in the congressional oversight panel for the FDA on a product label expansion for a drug class in 2007. So I was on C-SPAN for hours and had consultants giving input on practice sessions in Washington for hours and hours and hours in the weeks that led up to this. In 2019, I was the named visiting professor of medicine at Harvard in both cardiology and nephrology. And I lectured and there was great honor and fanfare and celebration. I had won multiple awards. And the calling card to an academic physician is the number of peer-reviewed manuscripts that ultimately amass in the National Library of Medicine. The typical professor of medicine, when they get to be a professor of medicine, they've gone from

assistant to associate to full professor of medicine, would have about 25 of these. As we see here today, I have over 700 citations in the National Library of Medicine. I have over 80 in the pandemic. So that's a giant separator from anybody circulating around on a podcast and what have you. And that's the reason why when people see me in the media, that's the reason why, and me alone and uniquely, cite the literature. I can pinpoint, cite the first author and the papers, the seminal papers, and so people can locate the information. And when I testified in Congress about a year ago, I had the same group that had just had Fauci testify. And I was grilled for about three hours. And I was citing paper after paper from memory, because that's what the highest level academic doctors are that good, they commit to memory, just like an actor would commit to memory the lines in a movie, just like a quarterback would commit to memory the plays. The highest quality doctors out there

commit to memory the seminal papers. They know them cold. I don't kind of fudge this stuff. And I'll never forget when I mentioned mentioned to the panel i said listen you just had anthony fauci two days ago you have grilled me for three hours i have cited dozens and dozens of papers how many papers did fauci cite they looked at me and said dr mccullough he couldn't cite a single paper that's not surprising to me especially after reading the real anthony fauci from bobby kennedy and children's health defense um thank you for that that's phenomenal and definitely puts to context you know the value that you bring to this podcast and that you share everywhere from fox news to to my friends shows like luke story josh trent so it's really awesome that that not only do

you go on the giant shows like you know fox news and of course joe rogan's of 2021 but you still rank your way to other good shows as well so i feel very very pleased that you're making your run around well you know i learned something learn every day but i I was in the Fox Bureau in Washington. And in that building in Washington, one floor is Fox, one floor is CNN, one floor is NBC. It's interesting. So you can see how people get on multiple platforms. It's pretty easy. Just take the elevator up and down. And I was going on Fox and I believe it was, he had just gone on CNN and I met Byron Donnell. You know, Byron Donnell, he's a representative from Florida. He's African-American. He really presents himself really well. I hope I have his name right. And he was just getting grilled by the liberal media. And I said, gosh, I have such great respect for what you just went through. We were in the

green room together. And he said, you know what? He said, the reason why I do it, he says, all audiences matter. And that stuck with me. He's right. All of the people who watch CNN in general don't watch Fox and vice versa. That went on Joe Rogan podcast. We had a huge impact in 2021. And you know, I went on a little boy's podcast in Germany. He was the cutest little kid. He asked me to email me. He wanted me to be on his podcast. And I went on, and he's trying to handle the electronics, what have you. We did it remotely. And I said, well, how many people listen to your podcast? He goes, about 10 of my friends, 10 little boys. So I've reached millions, and I've been to the smallest. And even if one person listens, it matters because the topics that

we're going to cover involved people's lives. It involved people forever changed who survived and sadly people who died who should have not died. Absolutely. Well, let's, let's start with 2020, 2021. That was one of the things that first stuck seeing some of this stuff, you know, differently than most people, certainly differently than what was being portrayed on the media. And I was begging, just begging people to read the real Anthony Fauci, begging people to actually, you know, check this article out, understand it this way. And, uh, and I was thrilled that you went on his podcast. I was thrilled that he had you on and you couldn't have asked for a better podcast. It was just phenomenal link to in the show notes of people haven't, if you haven't heard in a while either, it's worth running back. It's that good. Um, talk a bit about, you know, what you were seeing. You, you were obviously one of the very first who wanted to treat the problem. And many people were, you know, stymied either through fear of action, fear of doing it wrong, or maybe perhaps coerced not to do anything to allow people to go to hospitals. And, and just talk about, you know, everything that was going on there, because, you know, we mentioned some

of the stuff in the car ride over here, from contact tracing to all the ridiculous stuff that was being implemented. I mean, it was very brave new world. And so I'd love to just bring us back in time, wind back the clock and talk about things as they unfolded for you. Think about the lateness, even of the independent media, how tardy and slow they were to respond. When I went on Joe Rogan, we were already two years into the pandemic. It was early December, 2021. Quick break to tell you guys about fitforservice.com full temple reset is what Godsey and I have been doing

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We'll link to it in the show notes, and I hope to see you face-to-face mid-March for Full Temple Reset. It's an extraordinary observation. When you go back and you start to work your way through 2020, who said what when there you know i can't think of any podcasters in march of 2020 that said listen something's wrong this isn't adding up i can't think of any in december of 2020 who said Yeah, you can rewind the clock on mine. I can

promise you that. I promise you that. Good, good. But the point is we were all late. We were all late, myself included. I was never on social media, not a public figure. In academia, I've painted the canvas for that. And I was, you know, in 2020, I started to get these panic calls of people really sick. I was on some major committees in a health system regarding research. I said, well, this is a pandemic. We've never had one before. There should be some opportunities for research. Let's try to do, you know. Let's try to generate as much new knowledge as we possibly can as we are taking care of patients. Everybody was all in for research. Almost all of the committees and the effort, though, had to do with personal protective equipment, masks, gowns, reverse ventilation. And once we got a couple of weeks

into this, I said, well, what are we going to do to treat the patients? This is all about protecting ourselves. I understand this primal protect yourself motif, but sooner or later, we got to take care of patients. And it was about mid-March where the calls started going silent. No one was going to treat the patients. They were going to let them come into the hospital. And I can tell you, with any respiratory illness, if we let people get sick enough to be hospitalized, it's going to be too late for some people. It's always the case. It's always the case. For a bacterial pneumonia, we have quality of care guidelines. They say from the time they started, how soon did you start the antibiotics? And the sooner you

started, the better the outcomes. We wouldn't say, listen, why don't you just wait and get sick for weeks? Then we'll start the antibiotics weeks later. So as this unfolded early in 2020, I started to become horrified of what I saw among my friends, my practicing colleagues in practice all over, we didn't see a single city in Texas open up a major outpatient clinic and say, listen, for all the sick patients, come here right away. We'll get you some treatment. None. None. What? We got 30 million people here. We've got leading medical centers. And yet all over the world, the same thing happened. Everyone said, no, we're not going to-19. It was Didier Rialt. Character. We call him Gandalf because he's this big, broad-shouldered man with a beard. And he just looks like he's an intellectual rebel.

And he is. But he's the most published microbiologist in the world. And he was in Marseille, France, where there's a lot of retired seniors there. It's kind of the Boca Raton of Europe. He opens up a big outpatient clinic and says, listen, all these sick people, come on in, but we're going to do the best we can to treat you. This is early on. And then he started to get the attacks from the French authorities. You can't do this.

He was the first one who generated the very first paper that said, looks like hydroxychloroquine works. That was the very first abstract that ultimately made its way to President Trump at the time to say, listen, President Trump said, listen, this could be a game changer. In that press conference, it was March of 2020. Someone asked Anthony Fauci, well, should we use hydroxychloroquine? He said, or they asked him if you were going to treat a patient. It turns out Fauci has still to this day never seen or treated a COVID patient. Fauci said, well, yes, I would do it preferably under a research protocol. But that was the answer in March of 2020. Do you know that it's now five

years later and that manuscript published by Didier Rialt is actually being unethically retracted by the original journal it was published in, five years later? So the reprisal, the reprisal against any attempt to do research and treat patients early is to this day the more than the most extraordinary observations i think of all time yeah it's uh i mean all there's a lot of signs that point to uh nefarious you know actions but it was so global though yeah it was so global so wait a minute you know i started getting resistance you know I got some internal resistance, people saying, other doctors don't like what you're doing. You're treating patients.

I said, listen, I'm not going to let them get hospitalized. My patients have heart failure. They've got kidney disease, diabetes. They get hospitalized. Some are going to die. And then we started to have some conference calls with the docs in the hospital. They go, oh yeah, they're dying. They go on the ventilator, and they're dying. The docs are saying their blood clots are developing in the dialysis lines, in the IV lines. I said, oh, my Lord, I've never seen a virus that causes blood clotting like that. Then the Italians broke it open where they did a very courageous autopsy study. I'll never forget it. And the patients who truly died

of COVID, their lungs were filled with blood clots. I said, that makes a lot of sense because we saw some patients. Very first patient we ever admitted with acute COVID-19 was a man about my age who'd just flown into DFW, got sick, brought over to our medical center, and started getting treatment. We did the best we could, IVs. He was covered with some secondary antibiotics, as I recall. And then he just crashed. And the fellows were reporting, wait a minute, the right ventricle is dilating. The pulmonary artery pressures are going up. I said, that's blood clots shooting to the lungs and the right ventricles. There's just a cardiopulmonary collapse that we're seeing.

And so we knew within several months that this could be a fatal disease, that it was disproportionately affecting very frail senior citizens, people with obesity, diabetes. Others seemed to be breezing through it just fine. We heard of a case here and there where they breezed through it. And by June or July of 2020, I had reached out to infectious disease colleagues where I practiced in Detroit. We had interested nephrologists at Emory University, Yale, and we put together a team. We said, listen, we need to develop a protocol for what to do in these high-risk people at home. There is no vaccine. There is no approved outpatient drug.

The only drug that was coming along was remdesivir for inpatient use, and that's an antiviral, but it's going to be used very late. And so the rules of the McCullough Protocol, which now is copyrighted, are that we looked for drugs, supplements, other things that had a signal of benefit, but they were safe. As long as they were safe, we have to go for it. This was considered the precautionary principle. We're not going to treat everybody, but we're not going to let people get sick to the point with any pneumonia and to the point where they're hospitalized. Hospitalization is a bad outcome. And then what we learned ultimately is ultimately the deaths occurred

in the hospital. So that was the Genesis of McCullough Protocol. It was published in the American Journal of Medicine in August of 2020 and quickly became the protocol in the Home Treatment Guide by the Association of American Physician and Surgeons, which is an independent doctor's organization. That was in October of 2020. The Great Barrington Declaration, which Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Sumitra Gautra, and Martin Kulldorff authored, which said, you know, we've studied this for six months. We don't need to lock down.

We don't need to lock down. We don't need to, you know, have these restrictions, just special considerations for the seniors. Those two documents to this day, AAPS Home Treatment Guide, Great Barrington Declaration, if they were followed and adopted, we never would have crashed the economy. We never would have crashed the economy. We never would have added all this expense. We would have saved 85% of the lives lost. Now, in the United States, we had 1.2 million COVID deaths. But if adjudicated, really only 120,000 died directly due to the illness. The point is, we would have spared all of that. And what happened with the Great Barrington Declaration was the only country that essentially followed it was Sweden. For the McCulloch Protocol, it was variously followed in the United

States for people who were fortunate enough to know about it or learned about it, but it was deployed worldwide. And McCullough Protocol to this day is credited with saving tens of millions of lives and sparing hundreds of millions of hospitalizations. So people say, well, Dr. McCullough, was it worth it to, in a sense, give up your entire career over the pandemic? I said, when you think about it that way, my work entered a far more important phase during the pandemic. And as we got deeper and deeper into it, I got stronger and stronger. And I did my first abstract presentation of the McCullough Protocol, American Journal of Medicine. My daughter showed me how to do it, posted it on YouTube. I never was in social media and it got zapped within a couple of days.

Then the phone rang and it was Senator Ron Johnson. He said, we've been following this and you can treat COVID and your protocol just got zapped on YouTube. And that's how I got thrown into the public like big time. I still was not on social media. I testified in the U.S. Senate, broke the news as the lead witness that we can treat COVID and we can prevent hospitalizations and deaths. We have an organized protocol. That was November 19th of 2020. And Johnson, I will never forget, we were in his chambers and he said, McCullough, what's your social media strategy? I said, I don't even know what it is. I think it's for kids. But he says, well, you better get one. And his communication team actually helped me establish

my first social media accounts, which ran for, gosh, a couple of years until the end of 2022 when they were taken down from Twitter. And that's when I had to get serious and get some help and get some real certified social media accounts. And I started to realize because we were so late, that timeline was so late in getting important information out to people that I realized social media and independent media is vital. Because if there's a next pandemic, which we're told there's going to be one, boy, we can't be nine months late in getting protocol information out. We better be instantaneous about all these principles, contagion control, prevention, early treatment, what would happen during a hospitalization. And what's happened with these feigned pandemics since this time, monkeypox, for instance, instantaneously, myself and others were out in the media. Now we know what this is.

We're following this literature. This is a drug that can treat it. It's not spread so easily through casual contact, spread through sexual contact. And the same thing for avian influenza or bird flu. So the difference is people say, well, are we going to lock down again? I said, well, we now are in a war of information in the media. And that's the reason why your show is so important. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. And I appreciate, you know, people like yourself that are that are speaking the truth, you know, the opposite of the misinformation that we've been told about. It is my great hope that guys like Zuckerberg, who recently came out, you know, and said that,

you know, they were going to force me and they bent my wrist. So that's why I went along with it. My hope is that they actually do not just eliminate fact checkers, but they allow for the truth to be told in any of these circumstances. We talked about my buddy, Dr. Kirk Parsley, having his accounts wiped out. And all he had done was post a picture directly from the CDC's website that was counter to their own narrative. Right. And he's like, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't even write a caption. He didn't, he didn't make an opinion based on that picture. He just showed a picture that was completely counter to what they were talking about. So, uh, you know, and, and that's, it just, for a lot of people, they just say, ah, you know, not the end of the world.

You just start a new account. You do this, you do that. It's like, no, no, no. That, that, that is frontline and center the war, whether it's a fifth generation warfare. If we can't communicate the truth to one another, we have no chance. We have no chance at health. We have no chance at doing well and being well, if we only get one side of the coin. And I think, you know, Luke, Luke is a good buddy of mine. And I think he, you know, when you did his podcast podcast recently, I really liked the fact that he said, I never was upset about people who, you know, were duped into a certain narrative because that's all they were force fed.

And you think about lockdowns, you can't go outside, you can't go to the beach just as Luke, you know, being a holistic health practitioner, I knew sunshine was mandatory. I knew like there's certain things like we ought to be working out. You know, we ought to be moving our body. We ought to be eating well. Vitamin D3, all this stuff, even before the stats came out on D3 and the prevention. So many things there that weren't being talked about are just like, how come nobody's talking

about that? And those were first inclinations to me. But the fact that it remained this one narrative and the fact that, you know, from your shoes, you weren't allowed to treat, that's crazy. You couldn't treat somebody before getting in. This is an example. There were agencies all over the world that were on the same page with one another. So a government agency that's essentially an FDA equivalent in Australia is called the TGA, the Therapeutic Goods Agency, TGA. They put out a guideline in 2020 on how to treat COVID. It starts at the top. Do not use vitamin D. Do not use hydroxychloroquine.

Do not use ivermectin. Do not use steroids. It literally was about 12 things of what not to do. What not to do. There were emails that went around that said, do not use hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin. We've never gotten an email like that. That would be like,

you know, in pneumonia saying, do not use penicillin. Don't use amine. Since when? You know, in a heart attack, do not use aspirin. Since when do we get negative statements on guidelines? And so some of these examples, the global examples are amazing.

So I had a chance to spend some time with billionaire Clive Palmer in Australia, former member of parliament, a man who's made his money on the extractive industries, mining and what have you. And Clive saw this coming. And so he procured enough hydroxychloroquine. And hydroxychloroquine in 2020 was our workhorse to treat COVID, to treat the entire country of Australia, which is about as big as Texas population-wise, about 30 million. The Australian authorities, when they found out, they seized it and they destroyed it. Destroyed it. They didn of the early discoverers in Zimbabwe of

using ivermectin, and she chronicled people who are deeply low on oxygen, hypoxemic, and revived them with ivermectin. So they're late stage. I mean, they're on their way out. Yeah, and she was reviving them, and she carefully documented this. They put her behind bars for this. See, it was the global nature of the suppression of early treatment. It is the story that we have in our book, Courage to Face COVID-19. Now, you talk about censorship and say, okay, you know, a Twitter account is not that big of a deal, but you said, yes, it is. And I agree with you. But how about a book? A book is a piece of literary art. Okay. And you go to a big effort to publish a book and there's, you know, you write

it for a year and there's a publisher, and Amazon contracts. And Amazon will say, listen, it can't have nudity, profanity, or hate speech in it. There's some things that you just can't do. Okay, our book is reviewed. We go through all this process. Our book is up and running. We don't have any. I try not to curse even.

I'm a major part of this book. And it's got five-star sales, doing great for 18 months. Amazon sends us a notice, we're pulling your book down. In the middle of its sales cycle, this is kind of one of the premier pandemic books. It's written by a best-selling author, John Leake. It's the only book that's actually written by a true author. That's the reason why it reads so good and so popular. And we said, well, what's the problem? They said, well, it violates our rules. We said, well, which one? I said, we can't tell you. And we went back and forth and the publisher got involved. And this was like a 12-day showdown in 2023, I believe. All the way that far in 2023.

Yeah. And then finally they said, we made a mistake. It's back up. But they tried. The point is, if we didn't fight back, they tried. So that's a modern-day book burning. That's essentially a book burning. And the social media campaign was

amazing because there's so many freedom fighters out there. So they took pictures in Nazi Germany of the brown shirts, burning books, and they replaced the little swastikas with Amazon logos. And they show these guys, you know, burning McCullough's book. And fortunately, we were, you know, with Barnes and Noble, and we could buy it through the book. And fortunately, we were with Barnes & Noble and we could buy it through the website. Of course, our sales skyrocketed. So one of the things we've learned with censorship, and I've experienced this with the book,

Courage to Face COVID-19, as well as in the peer-reviewed literature. So we have fully published, peer-reviewed, copyrighted, contracted, National Library of Medicine listed, we're talking parts of permanent medical history, pulled back and retracted. One of the things we've seen, which is shocking, which is unheard of, and retracted for no reason. Now, there are specific guidelines for retraction, whether it's fraud, the author admits that there's a mistake, plagiarism. But there's so many checks now in the publication.

We're talking each manuscript. There's fees that are paid. There's peer review. There's edits. And there's a full vetting process before the publication. And at any time, the journal can say, no, we reject it. So it gets through this entire process. They don't reject it. It's published. And then any time, the journal can say, no, we reject it. So it gets through this entire process. They don't reject it. It's published. And then it gets a lot of attention.

And the journal says, we're going to retract it. We say, well, what's the reason? Well, we can't give you a reason. Oh, we don't think the references support you. There's some retrospective, falsified, fictitious reason. And then it's pulled this happened to me three times now and each time that's happened it generates more interest people like I want that one that's been censored so people who are canceled and censored generate more interest because the public has figured out that they're telling the truth. Yeah. You're being lied to on TV. So you got to find a way to find the truth. And if they, whoever they're hunting is now perhaps your friend. Well, you know, behind me is a spike support, which was the original formulation and the ultimate spike detox. Those are products by

the wellness company. And, are products by the Wellness Company. And by full disclosure, I'm the chief scientific officer of this new company, which has done terrific international company offering solutions, non-pharmaceutical solutions by and large. But we have telemedicine and prescription emergency kits for the preppers. You told me you're at least partially as a prepper. Practicing prepper. Yeah, we walked in the hallway just so people know he's ready to do battle if something happens on this podcast. And I feel reassured. I've never shot a gun in my life. As a Texan? Never have. Oh, man. We'll have to go out back and I'll have to do something. Give you an assortment to choose from. Yeah. but the point is, when I published the first paper in 2023, proposing the combination of natokinase, bromelain, and curcumin, which are the main three horses in Ultimate Spike Detox and natokinase in spike support, respectively. And this was posted on Instagram

and social media. Immediately, there was a fact checker that said, this doesn't work. Immediately. Immediately. And I thought to myself, wait a minute. If I would have said, listen, drink cucumber juice, this is going to solve the problem, it would have went through. Or if I would have said, I said, wait a minute, the bad guys were waiting for this. They knew the spike protein, which you get from COVID-19 illness and from the vaccines, is damaging the body. They knew that these products, in fact, helped dissolve the spike protein, and the fact checkers were ready. They must have had orders to say, listen, anybody puts out there natokinase, and they were looking for natokinase specifically, as something that

would be beneficial to someone who had COVID or took the vaccine, zap it immediately. And it was zapped. That told me some type of worldwide operation must be going on. There's no other explanation for the instantaneous nature and the simultaneous worldwide nature of how this is happening. Do you have any idea how this is being coordinated? I mean, I've got some thoughts. I've looked into Klaus Schwab, the World Economic Forum, Agenda 2030, a lot of the stuff, you know, we talked about the climate stuff. There's a Paris Climate Accord. If you look into some of that stuff, it follows from a globalist perspective, what Klaus Schwab is trying to integrate to integrate. And, um, who knows

who's pulling the levers? You know, I mean, a lot of people pointed myself included at guys like Bill Gates during all this saying like, wait a minute, check this guy's background. Why, why is he on TV? He's not a doctor. Why are we listening to anything he's saying? And, uh, you know, there's rabbit holes that go back with him and his father, but people would say, you know, like Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, who's pulling his strings? Who's making Bill Gates move? You know, and I really don't, I think it's too hard to pin down, but it is, it doesn't take away from the fact that there was a global coordinated effort to steer us in a certain direction where there was only one option.

Well, is there a global coordinating center? And I had a chance on my show, McCullough Report, and on Courageous Discourse Substack to interview Lisa Myron, who's a gritty investigative attorney in Toronto. She goes, I'll tell you who the coordinating center is. The World Health Organization. Makes sense. They have thousands upon thousands of employees. They got a billion dollar budget

and they have what's called national focal points, NFPs, national focal, they have 140 of them in basically their member states. Ours is in Washington and it's called PAHO, the Pan American Health Organization. That's our national focal point. And what Lisa says is that there's undeniable evidence that that's how this worldwide coordination is happening.

So there are clear demonstrations of the simultaneous global coordination through various phrases in the media that come out on the exact same day and time. So here's one of them that occurred in 2020. No one is safe. No one is safe. And you can see a montage of people. Hundreds of screens.

Hundreds of screens, people saying no one is safe in different languages. And how did that happen? It had to come through a coordinating center. Here's another one. Came out at the same time. Crisis of the unvaccinated. Crisis of the unvaccinated. What? What do you mean? People were being equally hospitalized if I took a vaccine or not. That

was pretty early on. The COVID vaccine sadly failed and people got sick they got very sick in fact uh vaccinated were being hospitalized and and dying so frequently that the cdc was actually keeping the data you could go to the website and see well there's thousands more thousands more vaccinated going down and on may 1st of 2021 the cdc puts up a notice and says we're stopped tracking we're not tracking we're not tracking they had enough evidence so they need to keep tracking they're not tracking. We're not tracking. They had enough evidence. They didn't need to keep tracking anymore. They're not tracking. And then by August of 2021, Rochelle Lewinsky comes out on major media and says, the vaccines don't stop transmission of the virus. They do not. There was study after study after study that was published. It was obvious the vaccinated were carrying the virus and spreading it to other vaccinated, unvaccinated people. So when our CDC, when it's

all said and done, our CDC is going to say, listen, we told you. We told you. But at the same time, the CDC will also say the vaccines are safe and effective. But they have enough cover. So you probably saw recently that Aaron Seary, who's an attorney close to Robert F. Kennedy. And Bill Bigtree. And he put out a notice saying there's a legal demand that's come into all the agencies, CDC, NIH, FDA, all the HHS agencies, to say when we found out about vaccine myocarditis, we put out a warning. We put out a warning in June of 2021. When we found out this vaccines don't stop transmission, we put it out there in August of 2021. And the curious thing, though, is with those statements, let's just take vaccine myocarditis and take the fact that the vaccines don't stop transmission. The curious thing is, why would the National Football League install vaccine mandates in September of 2021. Why would they do that? Why would any company do that? Do

you know the vast majority of mandates that were put into place, including the Biden mandates, the Biden mandates went into effect November 1st, but most of the company mandates were before November 1st of 2021. It was with the full knowledge that the vaccines would cause heart damage and myocarditis, which can lead to heart failure and cardiac arrest. And it was with the full knowledge that the vaccines wouldn't make the workplace safer, wouldn't make the locker room safer, wouldn't make the school classroom safer, because it doesn't stop transmission of the virus. That is a very interesting observation.

Do you know the CDC never said that we should mandate the vaccines? Never been a recommendation. Never been a recommendation. To this point, you know, I recall and I took screenshots of it because I was in disbelief coming from the White House Twitter account, X account, I recall, and I took screenshots of it because I was in disbelief, coming from the White House Twitter account, X account, whatever it was at the time, the Instagram account, Biden's talk, the quote on that, you know, we hope the unvaccinated get sick and deal with the consequences.

Now, I'm paraphrasing, but like it was pointed in a certain direction that people who are avoiding the vaccine. It was punitive. Yeah, it was punitive. We're going to punish those who did not take the vaccine. Remember Biden said it's going to be a long, dark winter. Think about the influence of the office of the president. And you're a senior citizen in independent living and you haven't seen your family for months and you're completely terrified of this virus and the president says it's going to be a long dark winter. Think about the guts of a senior citizen who says, I'm not taking the vaccine. It doesn't look safe. Turns out that person was right. How many gutsy senior citizens, and I have some salt of the earth patients from rural Texas that said, no, I didn't take the vaccine. Why did some people

see this and others didn't? So we talked about this on the way here those who knew that masking social distancing and lockdowns didn't make sense that it was obviously an overplayed hyperbolic response were largely the same ones who knew that if they got really sick, they would need some treatment at home to prevent hospitalization and death, and were the same ones who knew that the vaccines weren't going to be safe or effective. Why is it those three knowledge domains come together? There's almost no violation of this. There's almost, if you meet somebody who said, yeah, I never wore a mask,

you know, they're kind of proud to tell you. Say, well, did you take a bunch of shots? Are you kidding? So they knew both. They knew both. Isn't that interesting? And yet there's others that say, yeah, I wore a mask every day.

I've got eight shots. They fell into two camps. Now, the majority were on the side of the narrative, the global narrative of contagion control, try to stop the spread, and take vaccines and hope for the best. And a minority was in this idea of what people have said, critical thinking, or health freedom, or personal autonomy. A minority. And it wasn't, in my view, it wasn't a matter of intelligence or financial wealth. As a doctor, I get a chance to see thousands of people one-on-one and talk to them. And the privilege of doing that is to get a ton of insight. And I can't tell you how many high rollers, smartest people you ever met, people who made a ton of insight. And I can't tell you how many high rollers, smartest people you ever met, people who made a ton of money in business and in the media,

what have you. I'd say, well, did you take these vaccines? Oh, yeah, I took them. I said, you know, do you know they cause heart damage? Our CDC said this. The CDC says they don't stop spreading the infection. Oh, yeah, I took the vaccines. So it wasn't a matter of intelligence. COVID-19 and the response was a giant separator of who is who. And people have said, well, Dr. McCullough, it's about courage. Your book says courage. You must have courage, and the other doctors don't.

I said, you know, I don't know. There's no checkbox for courage on the medical application. I'm not a very courageous person. I told you I've never shot a gun. I've never jumped out of an airplane. I'm kind of conservative in not taking risks. I don't view myself as courageous, but I know one thing, is that we all have fear, and courage isn't the absence of fear, it's the ability to overcome it

and to compartmentalize it. Sure, I had fear going into the hospital and wondering, you know, am I going to be the next victim? But, you know, after I observed and I talked to enough people and I started to realize, listen, you know, I'm okay. And then I was given a blessing in October of 2020. I got the illness myself. I got the real illness. I started coming down with something. And I remember talking to my son who's going to a medical school at the time. I had a whole clinic of patients the with something. And I remember talking to my son who was going to a medical school at the time. I had a whole clinic of patients the next day. And Sean said, Daddy, you better get a test.

It sounds like you have it. And I had to shut down my office. Spent all Sunday trying to find a test. Remember when tests were hard to get? Got a test. And they said, oh, yeah, you're definitely positive. And sure enough, my wife got it too. I realized, I said, you're definitely positive. And sure enough, my wife got it too. I realized, I said, this is kind of like a head cold. I had some pulmonary involvement.

It's October of 2020. So it's probably either the original Wuhan wild type or the alpha variant. But I got through it and I had some lingering symptoms, but I started to realize, listen, my wife said this for sure. She said, I've had colds that are far worse than this, for sure. And once you have it yourself, there's a couple of things. One, at that time, one, you really couldn't get it a second time. Remember, it didn't break through natural immunity until just after my Joe Rogan interview, December of 2020. I told Joe, I was seeing patients face to face with COVID. They're coughing in my face. You can't get it. The natural immunity was great.

But then it, then it broke through. So first off, you knew you were safe afterwards. And then two, most of us, have you had COVID yourself? Yeah. Was it very rough or no? It was, I mean, I don't know if it was COVID or not because I didn't have a test for it, but it was December of 2019. So it would have been early, very early. And I was laid out. I mean, at Christmas day, I couldn't, I couldn't lean up to watch my kids open presents. Okay. So I just laid down, you know, full, full fevers.

I let my fevers run. I didn't try to squelch them with anything. Couldn't really hold down food. So I fasted. And, you know, I was on my ass for five days. But after that, I came back like a spring chicken. Okay. I was somebody before COVID, where over the course of like a 40 year career, maybe I missed one day of work, maybe in four decades. I could have actually gone to work with COVID. I felt well enough to go to work with COVID. I had snot and typical cold symptoms, but I said, oh my gosh, you know, I

could give it to somebody else. So at the time it was two weeks out of work. So I took two weeks out of work. But understanding that it's mild and people who are thinner and fitter and stronger are, you know, go through it better, absence of diabetes and problems, that started to realize, listen, we're locking down the entire world for this. And you know, the survival of COVID-19 overall is well over 99.5%. I mean, you know, so the chances of survival are extraordinarily high. It's not the bubonic plague. It's not.

That we started to realize, wait a minute, this is all backwards. Locking down people who are well. We've only quarantined people who are sick. The word quarantine means, you know, for four weeks. That used to be, you know, sailors had to stay on the ship and it came into New Orleans for four weeks to make sure they didn't have yellow fever. They were quarantined before they went on board. So quarantine is for sickness, not for, even with this Spanish flu, we quarantine people who are sick, not well people.

You know, it was so bad. And again, the global examples are, I think, far more important than American examples. It was so bad that in Australia, they had a five kilometer perimeter. So if you left your house, you had to stay in your house. But if you had to leave, you could only go five kilometers. As if the virus kept boundaries out here. Sounds a lot like smart grid cities, 15 minute cities. Yeah.

So these types of things that didn't make sense. And of course, you've seen the documentaries of how the police response was amazing. Have you ever seen like some of the, in Canada, in Australia, especially in Melbourne, where the police would, you know, try to get somebody in a half Nelson for not wearing a mask. You know, I've always thought, what if they just, what if the person who's being wrangled by the cops turned around and just sneezed in their face and said, I got, now you got it too. I mean, it had to be, you know, as you know, wrestling with people and trying to subdue people is a messy task. You get snot and stuff all over it,

and you probably get bites and everything else. That if one was interested in not spreading COVID, the last thing you do would be to try to tackle somebody without a mask. Right? Yeah. So we started to realize, wait a minute, this whole COVID-19 pandemic is an opportunity for people to harm other people. And why are people harming each other? Why is that? I did some things on Clubhouse early on, which is this kind of drop-in app. And I talked to some doctors deep in the bush of Africa as well as South America as well. This is early. They said, Dr. McCullough, we've never seen this before.

Our senior doctors are telling us to let people die. We think we can treat them. Some of these doctors were in tears. Some doctors from Scandinavia and the Netherlands got on. They said, we've been told to commit euthanasia of seniors in nursing homes. We're not talking about treating COVID. We're talking about going in there and they have COVID. They give them like 60 milligrams of morphine and put them down for good. Wow. These guys were in tears. This is early on. This is early on.

There was a nursing home, and I'll never forget, there's footage of this in Montreal. And the family just wanted to bring in hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. And the police set up a perimeter around it and said, no, you will not do this. Let them die. Wow. Let them die. Wow. Let them die.

There was another news story of a man whose mom was sick, and he was in North or South Dakota. He was trying to bring in some ivermectin, and they literally patted him down. They had the police pat him down. They found the ivermectin on him. They confiscated it.

It got so bad. And it's interesting because hydroxychloroquine had a modest effect. Now 300 studies in, it was about 25% effect size. It helped people some. Ivermectin was different. Ivermectin has a pop to it. It's rapid acting. By the way, I've used all the drugs. I've used Paxlovid, Ivermectin. I've had inpatients get remdesivir. I've done it all. Ivermectin, out of all the drugs, has the most pop. And in a very good study published in Chest by Dr. Jean-Jacques Rushter and his wife, it reduced mortality by 50% compared to people who didn't receive Ivermectin.

It's like, wow, and it was perfectly safe. Chest is one of our best pulmonary journals, 2020. And so when people found out about ivermectin, they said, listen, we've got to get this to people in the hospital. And there was some family members that said, listen, I just want to bring in some medication to my family. There's a process in hospitalization called medication reconciliation, which says any medicine someone's taking at home, they can definitely take in the hospital. For sure. For sure. That's always honored. Always. Not for ivermectin. They said, no, you can't bring it in. Some families went to court. So they went to court. They got a court order so they could bring in ivermectin. And then we had some hospital administrators not honor the court order.

And so, no, you still can't do it. We're not going to honor the court order. Ivermectin is safer than Tylenol. As we sit here today, every inpatient should have received ivermectin. Someone your size, I'd probably use like 48 milligrams, a good pop of ivermectin. Every day, until you're better. We call it protocols, five days to 30 days. That's fine.

There would be no reason to stop it. As the more studies they poured in, it wasn't just the ICON study by Rostra, but others. And what the naysayers would say is, well, there's still not enough evidence. There's not enough evidence. But the brand new experimental jab has got the... Think about it. People say, well, that's just big pharma. Well, let's take something else.

Monoclonal antibodies. First monoclonal antibody comes out. This is Operation Warp Speed. This is high tech. This is big pharma. We've never had a monoclonal antibody against a virus that's at least for adult medicine. There were some previous ones against respiratory syncytial virus, but not against a mainline virus for adult medicine before. This was hot. The first one was Bamalivimab by Lilly. And when this thing came out, I said, bring it on. Let's just stock all the nursing homes. Let's just, it looks like it's safe. People get better. I had a chance to use it a few times. I said, holy smokes, this is like a miracle. And Rogan loved it. Yeah, it's absolutely wonderful.

Let's roll with it. And so I started using it. I started using it in my patients, getting them infusions. Where can we get it? And every single nursing home patient should have received monoclonal antibody when they started to get sick. And every single hospitalized patient should have got it. There was a paper in Medical Economics that said the government bought enough doses to treat every American.

I said, great, we're covered. We got it. Within a few months, no, we're taking Bamolivim off the market. Then another one came on. Sanofi came on. Then another one. And they kept taking them on and off the market, on and off the market. No, they're probably not going to work for and off the market, on and off the market.

No, they're probably not going to work for this strain. We're pulling them off the market. Well, say, wait a minute. They're pushing vaccines. The virus keeps mutating, but keep the same vaccines on the market. But the monoclonal antibodies, which were safe and effective, which everyone should have received, are impossible to get. It was so frustrating. Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida, came out.

He's pulling his hair out. He says, where are these monoclonal antibodies? They're playing games with the distribution of the monoclonal antibodies. Every single high-risk patient should have received it in the ER before coming into the hospital. And sadly, only about 15% of people got it. But those who got it, they survived. Those who didn't, some of them died. So whether it was hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies, there was even confusing information or discouraging information about aspirin, about blood thinners like heparin or low-microwave heparin, the proper use of steroids, which would have been methylprednisolone or prednisone,

of colchicine turned out to be a very valuable drug, a big randomized trial from Montreal Heart Institute. We're talking about suppression of the peer-reviewed literature getting out, getting any type of notoriety in the medical press, ever having these drugs be rapidly brought into protocols. Now, as they came out, I brought them into McCullough Protocol. Turns out I was right on all the initial drugs, but within a few months, the data were ivermectin were so compelling, we had to get ivermectin in there. Colchicine came along. Nasal sprays and gargles came along it turns out nasal sprays and gargles were were some of the biggest advances and to this day they're absolutely squelched this is this is extraordinary talk a bit about i mean i i i love this uh because it's there's in every way, I can remember things like when hydroxychloroquine got shot down.

I can remember when ivermectin got shot down and it was like, how do I get my hands on this stuff? There you go. But at the same time, I didn't hear a lot about these infusions and things like that where you could just breathe in and vaporize betadine and different things like that. So I could just breathe in, you know, and vaporize betadine and different things like that. So I'd love for you to break that down, because these seem to work for a lot of respiratory issues, not just COVID, right? So I think that that's a cool thing.

And I also want to get into, you brought up your products here from the wellness company. For people who have had the vaccine any number of times, And for people who have had COVID, these show real potential in removing the most damaging pieces of this, correct? It's true. Let's get to that detoxification in a minute. These nasal sprays and gargles are very important. Late 2019, early 2020, the U.S. Federal Trade Commission puts out a COVID misinformation policy and says any company engaged in deceptive advertising for products for COVID or development of products for COVID. It's not just suppression. We're suing these companies. The Federal Trade Commission is suing these companies.

We're taking them down. We are taking them down. So who's first up on the takedown list? Eric DePutey. So Eric is, by training, he's a chiropractor, but he's a big person in the nutraceutical business. And he has vitamin D as a product line. He sees the data evolving on vitamin D, of which every single study shows higher vitamin D levels are better. Vitamin D before COVID is preventive. Vitamin D in the treatment of COVID is therapeutic. It was part of the McCullough Protocol. It received every grade of approval.

They go after Naputi and they take him down for billions of dollars in a settlement, of which he's like, listen, I don't have billions. But they put the number so high to take down vitamin D. Next up, Nathan Jones, CEO of Clear, the Xylitol company. FTC is suing both the company and him personally. That's how punitive this is we're talking millions and millions of dollars this is this is not play this is this is really really serious things the government did not want people to have anything at their disposal over the counter this over-the-counter. This over-the-counter part is really important. The prescription drugs could be suppressed to people because doctors can be suppressed. Their licenses can be threatened. But the over-the-counter is a different thing. If the public can figure out

strategies over-the-counter, this whole COVID narrative just erodes. I'll never forget when COVID first came out, my wife's parents at the time were very elderly, living in Toronto. It's 2020 and there's a snowstorm. And her parents are terrified. They said, you know, we're hearing older people are going to die. Are we going to die? You know, we couldn't travel up there to see them. They're absolutely terrified. And I said, she goes, well, what can I do to protect myself? I said, well, mama, I said, at least go out to the store and kind of load up on zinc and other vitamins. And so, you know, she's nearly 90 years old. She puts on her boots and her snow pants, and she's trudging through two feet of snow up her blocks, and she lives off Yonge Street in Toronto.

She finally gets up to the pharmacy, and she goes in there. And she said, my son-in-law, who's a doctor, said I should get some zinc. And the person at the pharmacy said, we've been told to take all the zinc off the shelves. Wow. Yeah. So it was total all over the world to prohibit these things. Well, to nasal sprays and gargles, where are we at with that? Prospective, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial by Chowdhury and colleagues from Bangladesh. 300 people with acute COVID, 300 people without COVID, and it's game on for use of nasal sprays

and gargles. One is iodine, palvidone iodine-based. Other one's just water, warm water. Eye drops, nasal spray, gargle every four hours. Dramatic differences. The PCR test turns negative in the iodine group in three days, stays positive for five or 10 days or longer in the placebo group. COVID resolves in the patients who receive the iodine, doesn't resolve in the placebo. There's reduced rates of hospitalization and death with a nasal spray. When I saw this, this is January 2021 was published.

I rapidly had to upgrade my color protocol for the AAPS home treatment guide, and now I started to stay on this. I said, this makes all the sense in the world. The virus is getting around the mask. It's getting through, going right through the mask. It lands in the nose. It's there for about five days. You don't know it. Then it starts, it replicates, overwhelms the system and then down the lungs. We have to be squirting nasal sprays and gargles up there, at least for acute treatment. Well, this field moves on. There was even an inpatient trial of using nasal sprays in the hospital, and it reduced severity of illness,

because it makes sense, because the virus is still there. You keep breathing it down the lungs, even if you're in the hospital. So in the hospitals, for sure, should have been using nasal sprays and gargles. They never did. And then a trial done by Baumforth and colleagues, prospective, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial of a xylitol-based. Xylitol is a natural sugar alcohol. You get it from corn cobs and various green leaves. Aspartame-free chewing gum and things like that, right? Yeah, it's like Trident and Sprite gum.

But it's a clear nasal spray, XLEAR, and then Spry Gargle, which are, I think, the best tolerated products. And it reduced, it was done preventively to prevent, like a vaccine, but except you just do it twice a day, it reduced new rates of COVID during the red hot COVID phase by 71%. It was better than a vaccine, a simple nasal spray. So Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace, who you may see her out there, she's kind of a shaker and mover. She's really fighting this transgender agenda.

Nancy gets on Epoch Times and says, "'Why is our government not telling America "' about nasal sprays and gargles? It's so innocuous. It causes no harm whatsoever. And people can just do this and protect themselves. We're probably all going to get COVID, but we're not going to spread it as much. We're going to have milder cases, and it gives us a little lead time to get McCullough protocol and early treatment. So I became the biggest fan of nasal sprays and gargles. I started advising my patients. I advised thousands of patients. I said, keep it up. I started interviewing people. Do you know, during the pandemic, I not only got COVID myself

several times, but I was doing many public events, speaking all over, traveling. I got to the point where I was sick about every month. You'd see me on TV and I was sniffling, coughing. I was literally sick every month. And I started talking to people. I said, McCullough, you got to start using nasal sprays and gargles. And I said, well, when's the last time you had a cold? I've talked to many doctors. They say, well, I do the last time you had a cold? I've talked to many doctors. They say, well, I do it every day. I haven't had a cold in a year.

I talked to one person. He said, I haven't had a cold in 20 years. I said, that sounds pretty good. I don't want this stuff over and over and over again, and you're right. It works against influenza. It works against all the other common cold viruses, and everything works, by the way. Saline, normal saline works.

So people who get some ocean spray up their nose. Yeah, neomed sinus rinse. Neomed sinus rinse. Because the mucociliary flow, think about it. If you have a population of viral particles and they have to amp up to a certain level before they make you sick, if you wash them out or wash out some of the particles,

your immune system can fight it off or if you kill some off. So it turns out that iodine is a direct kill. The xylitol prevents adhesion and it impairs replication. Natural products like grapefruit seed extract play a role, iodocare, genin. It turns out even one of the sprays, Cofix RX, has vitamin D in it locally. It's a fascinating development. And it turns out these sprays are the ticket to becoming free of colds. So I've been doing it myself. I did it this morning. I've been doing twice a day nasal sprays and gargles. And again, it doesn't matter. It could be iodine, could be xylitol, could be saline. And the only thing that looks like it's a little less effective,

two things are a little less effective, and that's hydrogen peroxide and colloidal silver. They're just a little less, but they do something. I'm six months, no colds. I've seen patients face-to-face in the office with COVID. I said, ha, you can't touch me. I'm just going to do a little squirt afterwards, And it's the way to go. You get on airplanes. If we just do this, if there's any message to carry forward now, because I've noticed anybody who's had COVID or long COVID or the vaccine, they don't do well with subsequent infections. It seems to flare up everything again.

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By the way, I was paired up with him on Fox News on one of these interchanges. Everyone agrees, the virus was man-made in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. There's complete agreement on that now. It was a U.S.-Chinese collaboration that made the virus. It's a chimeric. It actually takes part of a human virus, part of a bat virus, and that made the spike protein, which is the modified part that makes it so dangerous. Spike protein causes the blood clotting that we've never seen before, causes the brain fog and the loss of all the symptoms that do the spike protein. Well, here's the observation. For a man-made problem that got the world sick, all of our useful remedies are natural.

So natural versus man-made. Isn't it the most interesting observation? So we can go through it. The nasal sprays, iodine is natural. Vitamin D is natural. Xylitol is natural. These are natural products. Carrageenan is natural. Grapefruit seed extract is natural. Okay, we got that covered. How about zinc, vitamin C, vitamin D? Natural. Quercetin, natural. Aspirin is derived from birch bark, natural. Hydroxychloroquine derived from the bark of chichona tree, natural. Ivermectin derived from the soil in Japan, natural. Heparin, heparin is a blood thinner. It's an animal product derived from the lungs of cows, the intestines of pigs, natural. So every single thing that actually worked in COVID was natural for an unnatural situation. I'd say that what would violate that rule would be the monoclonal antibodies. That was clearly a man-made innovation, and they played a role.

So interesting. So detoxification, something that a lot of doctors don't think about. But there are some infections that install themselves in the human body for years. So we have to come to that observation. What's an example? Syphilis. You can get syphilis as a young sailor in World War II and then end up with syphilitic problems in your 70s or 80s later on. Syphilis, long-term installation of the bug and inflammation. Another one, Lyme disease. People know they get Lyme disease in years later, evidence of the organisms called Borrelia burgdorferi. So long-term installation causes a huge problem.

SARS-CoV-2 or COVID. There's evidence this thing installs in our body, particularly the spike protein, the spine on the surface of the virus. So Bruce Patterson, who's at InCellDx, this is before the vaccines. It's just studying people with COVID. He's, wait a minute,

I'm finding the spike protein in monocytes, which are forms of white blood cells, a year and a half later. The body can't digest these things. That's Patterson's observation. So Bruce Patterson, multiple peer-reviewed papers on this. I go, oh, this is not good. This is really not good. So this stuff, which the spike protein is proven to damage the heart and cause inflammation, damage the brain, cause blood clotting. It may turn off tumor surveillance factors. Okay. It can raise up antibodies where the body attacks itself called autoantibodies. This is just COVID itself. Forget the vaccines. This spike protein is bad news. We've all been poisoned by this. You know, 97% of Americans have had COVID. You've had it. I've had it.

We've been poisoned by this stuff. Now enter the vaccines. Pfizer and Moderna are the genetic code for the full spike protein, not a little tip of it like Bruce Patterson found in the infection, and not just S1, but full length S1 and S2. In fact, Pfizer and Moderna are engineered where there's two proline insertions, that's an amino acid, that holds the spike protein open in the pre-fusion conformation. It's like a spear, and it circulates in the human bloodstream. So Brogna and colleagues found, wait a minute, you take the vaccine, three of these spike proteins trimerize, and it's floating through the bloodstream like a spear in people who took the shots. At least half of them had measurable circulatory spike protein.

Now a paper from Yale shows, found it out to nine months. Wow. So what I've done clinically in thousands of patients is we measure antibodies against the spike protein as an indirect proxy for how much is in the body. And we find antibodies at different levels. People who are doing well, they seem to have very low antibodies. They're clearing the spike protein out, thank goodness, over time.

Other people are hanging up sky high. So the antibody test that's most commonly used is the LabCorp extended range test. It's the Roche-Alexis assay. Multiple papers show, and my experience confirms this, zero to a thousandth low risk. My co-author, John Leake, he came in my clinic. John was out there, didn't get too sick. He's like 800 on that number. He has no problems whatsoever. I've had COVID a few times. I was having problems with ear ringing. I didn't feel as fit and strong as I used to be. Couldn't run like I used to. I didn't take the shots, but I had COVID three times. I'm 2,300. Makes sense. I'll see some people with blood clots, heart damage, fluid around the heart. They're at 25,000. Now, almost everybody over 25,000 have taken the shots. I've seen one or two severe infection cases. Now, people who take the shots, they could be at 6,000, 10,000, 20,000. They

could take shots in 2021 and in 2025 still be over 25,000 on this test. It implies the spike protein from the vaccine is in the body long term. There are multiple autopsy studies where they do samples. You take the vaccine, it's in the brain. The spike protein from the vaccine is in the brain and the covering of the brain called the meninges. For years, it's physically in the heart. It's in the muscles and the tissue. So we have a pretty good case that the human body cannot break this down readily. There are no known enzymes that break it down. However, the Japanese discovered natokinase, which is the natural fermentation product of soy. They eat natto, which is partially fermented soy for breakfast.

I've had it before. Kind of funky. Listen, it fills you up. Some people can't eat it. I ate it. I thought it was good. We made it in the clinic. They've been eating this for 1,000 years.

They said, listen, this helps clear out blockages in the body. It's anti-athrosclerotic and they have the data to show it. I give Dr. Tanakawa in Japan huge credit. He was actually trying to develop natto kinase as a prevention for COVID. He was thinking, listen, this can strip off the spike protein. This virus is not going to have any virulence if you can strip off the spike protein. This virus is not going to have any virulence if you can strip off the spike protein, and it has a really good line of thinking. So an aducanase now available in a capsule, you can really take a lot of it. So initially, we were doing 2,000 fibrin-like units or 100 milligrams twice a day. Now we're cranking it up. We're going 4,000 twice a day for a total of 8,000. And Jordan Vaughn, who's running the largest vaccine blood clot center in the country in Birmingham, Alabama, Jordan testified in Congress. By the way,

this is not a secret. All of us who have made major impact in the pandemic, we've all testified in the House and the Senate. You can just go in the National Archives and find every bit of it. So it's not like this is concealed. Jordan, I talked to him one time. He said, I'm using 16,000 units of natto. We think the safety limit's probably about 80,000. It's a natural blood thinner. It dissolves blood clots. Now, our innovation was to add bromelain, which is derived from the stems of pineapple and the meat of pineapple. Like, if you ate a big bowl of pineapple, you'd eat about 40 milligrams of bromelain, which is a form of an enzyme. And we're now giving like 500 milligrams in the capsule. Okay. I was always curious about that. Actually, how much is in a pineapple? Right. So not much. So the point is you take the capsule.

So bromelain also dissolves the spike protein. It's also a form of a blood thinner. So it's advantageous to take a supplement, a medicinal-grade supplement, to lend the body on the blood-thinning side because we're all prone to blood clotting because we've all had COVID. And then the third is curcumin, which does not dissolve the spike protein, but the Asian Indians were developing curcumin,

which is dry from turmeric. That's the kind of orange spice, to buff it and handle the inflammation from the spike protein. And it does. Matter of fact, there's randomized trials of curcumin in humans showing it reduces symptoms of long COVID. So then we've got all three. We got it. And so that became a color protocol-based spike protein detoxification. So then we've got all three. We got it. And so that became McCulloch Protocol base spike protein detoxification. So both for early treatment and for detoxification, I copyrighted them in my name, not because it has any intellectual, I don't get royalties or what have you, but I want people to locate it. When we say do McCulloch Protocol detox, we know what we're

talking about. So it was agreement. I would be able to promulgate it. But most importantly, I'm responsible. Who puts their name on something nowadays, right? And if it didn't work, everybody on social media would be pounding me, Dr. McCullough, I did this and I didn't get better. It didn't work. And all I do every day is get a flood of messages saying, thank God, Dr. McCullough discovered the detox protocol because I'm getting better. And the messages, and I got one of the bigger Twitter accounts out there of doctors. I tell you the messages pour in and people said, well, I want to do, I want to do, um, N-acetylcysteine. I said, fine, add it to the protocol. We called it a base,

do it as a base. Other people say, well, I want to add ivermectin for a certain application. I said, yeah, go for it. I commonly add colchicine because we used it in acute COVID. It's also a natural product. It's derived from the petals of a purple flower. So the colchicine pill is purple. It's a wonderful drug. It's now widely approved by the FDA to prevent heart disease in general. And it's a prescription drug. Honestly, I think it should be over the counter, but we add Colchicine. So my typical portfolio is everybody, long COVID or post-vaccine gets McCulloch protocol-based spike detoxification at least a year if well tolerated indefinitely because it prevents heart disease, helps prevent blood clots. It has a lot of...

Everything in there is a phenomenal standalone. So together, they're going to be great. Right. Now, it's a common add-on to colchicine for any vaccine myopericarditis or chest symptom or concern. That's very, very important because that's, in a sense, our best preventive measure for a sudden cardiac arrest. And I still worry about people who took the shots out there, loved ones included, that there'd be a cardiac arrest. I just assume they'd be on colchicine. Ivermectin, I have found, because it has an anti-spike protein ability to it, and it will shut off replication. Some people's syndrome is because the virus is still alive and replicated in their body. There was a autopsy study by Chertau and colleagues, NIH, people who died of COVID. Nine months later, the virus was still alive in their body.

That's spooky. Yeah. So ivermectin. So I've learned the craniofacial syndrome. So lancinating headaches, trigeminal neuralgia, loss of taste and smell, loss of hearing, loss of sight, any of the pulmonary syndromes, ivermectin, someone your size, again, 48 milligrams, 90 days. 90 days. Take it every day. Okay.

And now pharmacies are compounding it in 12 milligram capsules, so we should go in 12 milligram increments. Hydroxychloroquine, its main use is in the autoimmune syndrome. So everybody I screen in this category with blood ANA test, rheumatoid factor, anticitrelated peptide, if they have joint pain, hair falling out, symptoms of autoimmunity, because the vaccine not only produces the spike protein, but because the human ribosomes don't read it accurately, it produces some other unwanted peptides called frame-shifted peptides. In a paper by Boros and colleagues on one of the co-authors. We demonstrated this. Well, the body has now a family of proteins that

shouldn't be there, and it's now attacking itself because these proteins, when they're produced within cells, the first thing they do is they put it at the protein on the cell surface. The body's like, wait a minute, I'm surveying this. You're not supposed to have any of these on the cell surface. I'm going to attack. So every person who took the shot has some degree of autoimmunity. It may not be clinically manifest, but it's greatly worried, greatly worrying. Every person who took the shot, we believe the messenger RNA from Pfizer and Moderna is in the body at least for months. Everybody took the shot as spike protein, maybe indefinitely in the body, until we do something. So as people are coming to consciousness about what's happened, they're starting to panic. They're starting to say, listen, Dr. McCullough, I took these shots.

I had to take it for my work. I didn't want to. I feel okay. What should I do? We're saying, listen, you know, spike support from the wellness company would just be natokinase with five minor ingredients. Ultimate spike detox is natokinase, bromelain, curcumin, higher doses, plus some additional minor ingredients.

The minor ingredients play a role, by the way. So in spike support, one of the minor ingredients is selenium, which helps. It's good for the heart, but it helps aid in intestinal absorption. Also, black sativa, which is from like a black seed. Is that black seed oil? Black seed oil. That's phenomenal. It has beneficial iris, sea moss, dandelion root extract.

I mean, these have beneficial effects. In the ultimate spike detox, the absorption enhancer, believe it or not, is piperine or black pepper extract. It enables curcumin absorption thousands of fold. It's usually a stack with curcumin, I was going to say. Yeah. Because people have tried nano-encapsulations and micro-encapsulate. There's nothing like a good old little black pepper extract and the curcumin just pours into the bloodstream. All right, guys, quick break to tell you about Organifi.com slash KKP. Use code KKP for 20% off everything in the store. Organifi.com slash KKP and grab a sunrise to sunset kit to be covered with red, green, and gold with 20% off using code KKP. The green is

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it's obviously I'm internal medicine, so I'm broad. So this is COVID and adult medicine, everything, including infectious diseases in my wheelhouse. I'm a cardiologist. So clearly the myocarditis and blood clots and stroke, that's in my wheelhouse. What was not was all of these natural remedies. This idea that you can solve problems without prescribing things. And COVID taught a lot of this, that in fact, the natural doctors were right. So I, you know, I hang out with a lot of natural doctors. Now, some of them are kind of kooky and they have different ideas. You know, there's people, you know, doing all kinds of things. But I've learned to respect innovation. And in the setting of a pandemic, there is no right answers. No one has agency over the truth. Remember in science,

the scientific process is trying to approximate what truth is. And so it's a never-ending, self-correcting process to try to arrive at the truth. But we use what's called inferential thinking, which is very different than deductive thinking. Inferential thinking says, listen, we can't get to exactly truth, but we're going to try to get to it the best we can. That's the reason why all observations have to count. There can be no censorship or suppression can you imagine that if these observations and one whole side is wiped out the field goes in the wrong direction and so the censorship has caused great harm the

propaganda that basically is the weaponry of this whole operation is important and these terms really matter. So misinformation, I noted you used it once. You won't hear me use the word misinformation. Misinformation is a propaganda tool. Now, it turns out if you go back in the English literature, about 1,500, it arrives on the scene. I'm not sure who sprouted the term. But it was used extensively in Nazi Germany.

And you can imagine the brown shirts going around saying, listen, you said something against the Fuhrer. You're spreading misinformation. I think we're going to call you into the local office for some questioning about you spreading this misinformation about the new regime. Can you imagine? So this idea of weaponizing a known Nazi propaganda term is awful. It's nothing short of awful. It was used extensively during Stalinist Russia as well. By the way, misinformation was word of the year in 2018 in election politics in the United States.

So misinformation, I've never taken a board exam where misinformation was on the questions. It was never in the medical literature until 2021. Now it's considered a mesh term. A mesh term is like a hashtag where you can search the National Library of Medicine. We're talking, this is the permanent archives of medical history, and you can search for misinformation. It's an official mesh term. Do you know that Oxford has a misinformation index? It's a scientific index that it applies to try to determine misinformation. Do you know there are medical conferences on misinformation? Northwestern has had one. Do you know that the World Health Organization says the single greatest existential threat to human health is not heart disease or cancer or diabetes. It's misinformation, that they're going to stomp out misinformation. The FDA, the CDC,

and NIH has campaigns to pursue and stomp out misinformation. The medical boards have erected misinformation policies. Oh, this doctor says something that we don't like. He's spreading misinformation. It's been absolutely weaponized. It actually went into California law for a few days. It said any doctor who's caught spreading misinformation will be punishable by fines, imprisonment, losing their license. Now, fortunately, some lawyers and some freedom people stepped in and got that stayed.

But New Jersey has a law going forward. Now, in each one of these cases, I'm very familiar with one of the board misinformation policies. They never tell you what's considered real information versus misinformation. They don't tell you that. There's no learning modules. There's no guidelines.

It just says that misinformation is not consensus-driven or evidence-based. It uses these general terms. Well, listen, McCulloch Protocol is, you know, it's clearly evidence-based. It's consensus-driven because there's a whole medical society that's endorsed it. It's as orthodox as it possibly can be. And so for me, the American Board of Internal Medicine puts out their misinformation policy in September of 2021. Think about this, September of 2021. They go back in time and they said, Dr. McCullough, we've reviewed your Texas Senate testimony in March of 2021. You violated our policy. The policy didn't exist back then. I said, that's ex post facto. I said, you didn't review everybody equally, so there's no equal protections. I went through all the rules of evidence they said we don't care you are accused of spreading misinformation I said well

here's all the support for everything I said the Senators were asking me questions I was under oath here's all the evidence I submitted to him I said that's not good enough no we don't we're gonna throw out all of that we're going to throw out all of that. We're pursuing a panel to review you. I said, okay, I'd like to attend and at least answer questions. No, you can't attend. I said, like a recording or a transcript? No, you don't get that either. Then the panels convene.

They have convicted you of misinformation. What? This is real life Nazi Germany. Now I'm not in jail. I'm not being tortured right now, but the equivalent has been done through this form of propaganda, censorship, and reprisal. That is to hurt this person. So these six propaganda terms, very important. So misinformation, big one. Never use it. I don't use it. I don't refer to it. It's not a legitimate medical term. Nobody has agency over the truth. No one does. There are scientific observations, multiple points of view. We need to discuss them. Everybody around the table has a fair viewpoint.

The next one, disinformation. That one is directly out of Stalinist Russia, meaning that you're using information to try to harm other people. Malinformation. Anti-science. Anti-science. The American Medical Association has a whole campaign on this. It's spearheaded by Dr. Peter Hotez in Houston. He's a vaccine developer who, by the way, had research contracts with Fudong University to develop COVID vaccines in 2016 and 2017. Now, he was going on CNN.

No conflict of interest there. But he was going on CNN, acting like he was surprised that we had a COVID pandemic. We don't know what's going to happen. Yeah, you do. You were developing vaccines three years earlier. What do you mean? I mean, talk about the- Look at Gus. Yeah. I mean, just talk about the complete deception. So anti-science. So he has a lecture campaign all around.

He said the deadly rise of anti-science. Nobody's anti-science. Science is a process. Nobody's anti-science. It's just what he's really saying is he holds agency over the science. He holds science. And anybody who disagrees with him is anti-science. You see, that's a form of hegemony. Remember Anthony Fauci, who said, I represent science. That's a pretty bold claim when you think about that. That's a pretty bold claim. Okay. Another one, anti-vaxxer.

You're an anti-vaxxer. What does that mean? Is that a political party? What do you mean I'm an anti-vaxxer? When someone called me an anti-vaxxer, I said, geez. So I went to my mom. My mom's in independent living here in Dallas. I said, Mom, where's my vaccine card?

My mom's able to dig it up. And I counted up the number of vaccines I took. 69. I've taken 69 shots. Now, 40 of them were flu shots because I had to be on medical staff. This has gone on for a long time. And they just doled them out. As a kid, I had mumps as a kid. I said,

mom, did I have mumps? She goes, oh, you and Tommy had mumps. I remember when your glands were swollen. I go, mom, why did I have four more mumps vaccines afterwards? She goes, well, the doctor just told me. So we've been over-vaccinating people forever. So I've been overly vaccinated. Showed up to medical school. They go, well, let's check your measles, mumps, titers. Oh, you don't have any. Let's give you more shots. I thought these shots lasted for a lifetime. Obviously, they don't. So anyhow, I've been over vaccinated.

I can't be an anti-vaxxer. I can't. I've taken too many vaccines. There must be some criteria by which you're a vaxxer. I must be a vaxxer because I took the entire schedules of everything. Multiple times. I have to. I went to India and they told me, well, you're going to go to a rainforest. You need to take more vaccines. My wife and I went to Dallas, you know, the public health office. And this nice lady gave us more shots. So, you know,

anybody in the military is probably a super-vaxxer. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm a super-vaxxer. So what is this anti-vaxxer all about? Turns out that about 2.5% of the population has never vaccinated their kids. Forever. This has gone on for decades. 2.5%.

You're looking at one of them there you go your kids they look perfectly healthy to me no shots not a single one not a single one okay the amish are the same way many many sects of quakers and others there's some people say listen we're not taking any shots their kids are perfectly fine the kids are fine and healthy forever. There's five studies showing that kids who take no vaccines are healthier. They can't get these immune problems that you get from taking the shots, right? Because you've never taken the shots. It makes sense. So, I mean, there are horrible things when people take shots. Now, we hope that they're rare, but, you know, Guillain-Barre syndrome, a form of paralysis, which, by the way, has been skyrocketing over the last few decades.

It largely happens with the flu shots, of which I've had 40. Well, influenza vaccine, Guillain-Barre syndrome, it's impossible to get that if you don't take the shot. Right? So it's impossible to get a vaccine side effect if you don't take the shot, right? So it's impossible to get a vaccine side effect if you don't take any vaccines. I mean, everybody should understand that. So this anti-vaxxer group are people who don't take shots. That's okay.

That's their choice. But somehow they're vilified as being on the wrong side of an issue or bad people or people who don't care about others. None of these vaccines stop spread of the illness. People say, what about polio? Well, go on the CDC website. It'll say right there, the vaccine does not stop spread of polio.

It doesn't. The influenza vaccine doesn't stop spread of influenza. We can go on and on. Now that rate of people not taking vaccines since COVID, and the COVID vaccine campaign is a debacle, that rate's now 10% and growing. I'm one of them. I tell you right now, I don't think I will ever take another vaccine in my life. Do you know the 1986 Vaccine Injury Compensation Act, which rolled out under Reagan?

The Beidou Act? Which one was it? No, no. Vaccine Injury Compensation Act, which rolled out under Reagan. Was that BIDOL? No. BIDOL Act? Which one was it? No, no. It's V-I-A-C-M-B. No, I'm not sure if there's a name to it, but Vaccine Injury Compensation Act. This is a liability protection for vaccine companies.

That went in about 1989, right? As far as the new vaccine schedule went from 10 or 12 to 72. The company said, Yahoo. Can you imagine? No liability. Anyhow, it turns out in that Yeah, just the company said, Yahoo. Can you imagine? No liability. Anyhow, it turns out in that legislation, it says right there, vaccines have unavoidable harms. When the shot goes in, you can't take it out. And if your number's gonna,

if the dice are gonna roll and you're gonna go down with some horrible thing, you can't stop it. That's largely what we've learned. And so being anti-vaxxer is, the better term is to be your vaccine risk aware. I'm aware of the risks now. If I was fully aware of the risks all the way through, I probably wouldn't have taken any vaccines if my mom was fully aware, if we were all fully aware. That's the reason why information is so important to be aware. And then the last one is conspiracy theorists.

So we've gone through six. So let's review them. Misinformation, disinformation, malinformation, anti-science, anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist. Have you ever been called a conspiracy theorist? I'm sure I have. Turns out it's some type of intelligence community word. Now, conspiracy itself is not bad because conspiracy means we're working together. We're conspiring to make a podcast right now. Conspiracy is not a bad word. And theorist is not a bad word. We all generate theories.

We all do. I have a theory by coming in your house and seeing your wife and your kids with birds on their shoulders, which I've never seen before in my life, by the way. My theory is that they're kind of interesting, back to nature people who love birds and love animals and I've developed a theory okay so the way to handle that is to say listen I'm not a conspiracy theorist you know like everybody I'm a good team player I work on teams so I conspire with lots of people and I have theories but I'm a rational theorist. Rational theorists come up with reasonable theories that are discussable, debatable. Let's discuss why your wife and kids have birds on their shoulders.

Let's talk about why masks may or may not work for COVID-19. So each one of these propaganda terms needs a comeback. Misinformation, disinformation, malinformation to say, listen, the bottom line is no one holds agency over the truth. All of our observations are valid, all of them, and all of them need to be freely discussed. No person ever should have any word that comes out of their mouth censored or anything they write ever again, ever, ever, ever. These anti-science to say, no, science is a process. We're all for science. We have different scientific observations. We have testable hypotheses. Let's discuss them. Let's not suppress any of them anti-vaxxer no we're vaccine risk aware

we may not take any more vaccines we're vaccine risk aware and one thing on vaccine is very important no one under any circumstance should be receive any pressure coercion or threat of reprisal that means no mandates mandates. You know, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, this organization, the only one that backed COVID treatment in the year 2000, 24 years ago, passed a resolution to say no vaccine mandates. No school should ever mandate these. Tell that to California. Yeah. No school should ever mandate these. No employer, the military, never. It's all personal choice. If you are worried about a particular disease, you think you're at risk, you're informed, take a shot. No one's going to stop you.

Take more shots. They can take mine and yours. Probably they can take extra shots. There's extra. There'll be plenty of extra. But this idea, the school said, well, as an entry criteria for school, you must take these shots. That has to go away. Right now, virtually every school has entry criteria, and now people fill out exemptions.

What we're saying is, listen, we shouldn't even have to fill out exemptions. The vaccine should not be in the equation. Now, fortunately, in Texas, we have philosophical, religious, and medical exemptions. The vaccine should not be in the equation. Now, fortunately in Texas, we have philosophical, religious, and medical exemptions. Because listen, philosophically, I'm not aligned. I'm not taking them. That would be my stance if I was a young parent now with kids. Philosophically, I'm not taking it. But this is going to come up. I'm aware of a case because I got involved as a physician. There's a wonderful lady who lives up north of Dallas, young mother, three daughters, and homeschools her kids. Her husband works for Caterpillar. And in the summer of 2021, they started sending out emails saying, listen,

you should take a COVID vaccine. And they never mandated it. But through the messaging, the legal criteria is substantial encouragement. They substantially encouraged him to take the shot. And he's kind of a supervisor he wants to go in he doesn't feel like he can oversee things as he from home so he feels like he's been substantially encouraged to take the shot 40 in his 40s healthy guy takes the shots about 18 months later he uh he's with his kids they're watching a movie and he's on the living room floor and they don't feel too good i'm just gonna kind of doze off here next thing you know the girls look dad's turning blue and he's not breathing and then blood starts pouring out of his mouth and his nose it's everywhere it is a bloody mess mom's not home mom's at

the beauty salon the kids are panicking they call mom mom dad's not breathing he's on the floor he's blue blood pouring out. They call the paramedics. And long and short, they give him every agent to try to stop the bleeding. They try to put him on life support. They do everything. He's dead. This guy is dead. The girls are horrified. These young girls are horrified to watch their father die like this.

It's a year later, and the wife comes to me. She said, Dr. McCullough, my life has been turned upside down. My husband was perfectly fine. He walked 10 flights of stairs at work, you know, just a week ago. And this happened. And she said, I got an autopsy. And she had me look at it. I said, I think this is the vaccine killed him. I think the vaccine killed him. Autopsy says he died of natural causes. You just don't die in your 40s like that in front of your kids. And anyhow, she got a lawyer.

And she's suing Caterpillar. Saying, listen, I want compensation for just, you know, this kind of, there's some type of medical compensation for something like this. She goes, and I'm suing him for punitive charges here. She's suing him for this pulmonary hemorrhage. I wrote a substack on it, but I took it to the next level, and I published it with McCullough Foundation, which is a charitable organization I founded

that is committed to academic scholarship and advancement of the science here, and published it as a preprint, this case, everything. We looked up his batches of his vaccine. He took high-risk batches. We looked up his lungs were saturated with blood. When someone dies of a cardiac arrest, the lungs weigh about 250 grams. His were 750, just loaded the pictures. The autopsy is gruesome. His face is covered in blood. We don't see cardiac arrests like this. I'm a cardiologist. I see cardiac arrests. Sadly, people have cardiac arrests and die. They don't hemorrhage all over themselves. Never seen this before. It has all the hallmarks of a vaccine death. So this, I don't even,

I think this was on Courageous Discourse Substack. We are just getting the preprint published. A woman calls him from Michigan. Dr. McCullough, my husband, died the exact same way after taking the vaccines. So this is a pattern that we're seeing. Observation of a case report of anything that we ascertain due to the vaccine is almost always the tip of the iceberg. And there's more and more cases.

People come out, and they come out, and you'll see it on social media. Someone dies of a clear vaccine problem. Initially, it was myocarditis and cardiac arrest or blood clots, and then there's just an outpouring. My brother died that way. My uncle died this way. My husband died this way. It's horrendous.

The COVID-19 vaccines are the biggest biological product safety debacle of all time. Anything else done in mankind's history pales in comparison to this. Yeah, it makes me think of Ed Dowd's book, Cause Unknown, which was published by CHD. And there's pictures in there. The image that you brought up was... It a it's a hard hard thing to think of especially having a nine-year-old and a four-year-old and you know you're a father thinking of uh dying that way in front of my kids would just be the last thing I'd ever want to do you know I'd rather be tortured elsewhere

than put them through that Joe Rogan Joe Rogan has said he has friends, and you're in his circles, you know, these fit, strong men with pacemakers. I think Joe told Aaron Rodgers, he's got a couple of friends with pacemakers, young people. Since when the heart damage is extraordinary. I'm telling you, as a cardiologist, I've seen it firsthand. It's extraordinary. These cardiac arrests, you know, cause of death unknown. Let me tell you, before the pandemic, death, which has been well studied over time, in the modern day

in America, 40% known heart disease. People with known heart failure, heart blockages, bypass surgery, stents, that's 40%. 40% known cancer, long history of cancer, treated with chemo, surgery, radiation. 20% known other causes, homicide, suicide, drug overdose. But the point is cause of death is always known. Now, in many regions, the most common cause of death among the vaccinated is unknown. The entire province of Alberta, as an example, the leading cause of death is unknown. Wow. And I can tell you, the autopsies, by and and large are not helping us when they're done because the coroners are signing these out as death due to natural causes I've seen autopsies in young kids

under age 20 who die of the vaccine it's clear cut and the report says, natural causes. That's tough. I really only have one last question for you because you've covered so much, which I hope for people that have gone down the path no matter what decisions you make, that you recognize the lead at the end of the tunnel is you can clear yourself, you can get healthy, you can be well again. There was varying degrees, you mentioned it, the batches really did matter in terms of how it affected people, comorbidities mattered, your health mattered, all those things are factors. I'm like, why didn't it universally kill off everybody? Why didn't everyone die this way? That actually does track. One thing that's come up for me recently is Kevin McKiernan.

Have you heard of him? And his discovery that SV40 was found and that that's been reproduced by, I think, at least 10 other large groups have been able to track that. And they track batch number, everything, 30 bottles from Pfizer versus Moderna. Seeing that SV40, simian virus 40 is found in the vaccine is unbelievable. And we talk, you know, turbo cancers and a whole bunch of things that are associated with that. What are your thoughts there? Not the first time. Not the first time. So the polioirus, poliovirus, late 1950s, early 1960s, the injectable poliovirus, IPV, contaminated with SV40. SV40 is used to ramp up production of genetic material to create a vaccine. Contaminated. Institute of Medicine report is issued. People are outraged that people were injected with the

polio shot, myself included. I was in those era where almost certainly I got SV40 injected to me. Conclusion from the Institute of Medicine report, this is 20 years ago. So listen, we don't know. We don't know how much cancer that we're going to see now in people my age is due to the polio shots. So it's not the first time. So, you know, vaccinologists, regulators, they should be completely on top of the issue of contamination with SV40, completely on top of this. All right, one last short break to tell you about Lucy.co. Level up your Lucy. Let's level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co slash KKP and use promo code KKP to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers free shipping and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. That's L-U-C-Y

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We're five years into this, not a single country. You mentioned multiple labs finding it. Doesn't look good. The enhancer, the promoter, the origin of assertion, these fragments of simian virus 40 in Pfizer and Moderna, for sure, in some of these studies, exceed thresholds by which we think it would be safe, exceed the size thresholds where the segments could easily get incorporated into human DNA and potentially promote cancer. So bad that Surgeon General Joe Ledapo in Florida writes the FDA. Now, he's a government official writing government agencies. They blow him off. Nothing to see here. They won't inspect the vials. But this is worldwide. The North Group in Europe, now representing over 20 countries, has written the officials of every single one of these countries saying SV40 has been found

in these vaccines. World Council for Health, a physician-led, evidence-based, consensus-driven organization has also sounded the alarm. Why can't any country in the world open a vaccine vial and do their own inspection? People listening to this have to be concerned at this level that globally government agencies must not have human health in their minds. They must not. They can't be safeguarding us at this point in time. To me, the mind-blowing reality is, why is it so uniform? You can't get the whole country to agree on anything. Why can't one country say, you know what, this is outrageous. We're going to get some independent scientists to open up these vials. There's a lot of vaccine vials around because people don't want to take them. In Canada, they announced they're just destroying all the vials.

So we have some type of great controversy on our hands, a controversy for all time. The controversy involved a man-made virus, preparations legalistically all over the world to respond to a pandemic, a sweeping in of authoritarian control in the setting of this global infection, widespread corruption and deception that appeared almost instantaneously. Every single development has worked against human health and survival. Everything. Suppression of the most innocuous agents of relief, from nasal sprays and gargles to early multi-drug treatment protocols,

high-tech monoclonal antibodies. Clearly, the worldwide relentless COVID-19 vaccine campaign, not a single country in the world has taken these off the market. And you know, in the United States, the group that's having the COVID-19 vaccines advanced on them now are children. Children. You'd mention California. You got California, New York, Connecticut, West Virginia, a few others. There's essentially no way to get out of taking vaccines. The kids have to go to school. They can't get out of taking these vaccines. My mom's in independent living here in Dallas, senior home. I asked her the other day, she goes, oh, they haven't brought out the

vaccines in years. They never mentioned the COVID vaccines. Remember, the only people who are at risk were people like my mom in a senior home. So if they are not offering COVID vaccines to seniors, what in the world is anyone doing giving a COVID vaccine to a six-month-old baby? You can see that we are in the middle of a great controversy. People are being greatly harmed. They continue to be greatly harmed. It appears as if there is no government and no individual that's going to save us. No government official is going to save us. No president or premier is going to save us. It appears that this is a call for us to save ourselves. This is a call for us to develop discernment the ability to

see what's going on to remove the scales off our eyes you know the biblical phrase eyes to hear eyes to see ears to hear boy nothing fits better than this to take the scales off our eyes and to be able to see things as they are. There's deception now all around us. People are gravitating to the truth. They can sense it. That's the reason why they're going to be on your podcast. They're going to be on these shows. You know, I don't ask for a single interview. I've never asked for a single one. And since the very beginning of the pandemic, all I have done is to put all of my skills and resources and scholarship together, my analytic capabilities, and bring people the truth. And so far, I have not been wrong on a single point.

I don't think I missed any points on this interview. I don't think you did either. Well, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. I appreciate the body of work and your knowledge and really the way your mind works. It's one thing to have your accreditation and to do the things that you've done.

It's another thing to be able to capture all that mentally and relay that in such a beautiful way is really exceptional. I've been podcasting for years now, so it's awesome and a treat to be on this side of it. Thank you. As I said, I think the pandemic has in a sense been a capstone in my career and has brought my work to have far more meaning and importance. And if anything, all of us should understand that we must have a purpose. We must have a sense of purpose. Everybody should seek and pursue their purpose and find what they truly are interested in and enjoy. It's been said, if you do something that you truly enjoy, you'll never work a day in your life. And that's true for me.

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hair was just wild. And he was like, and they were telling me to take down information on vaccine safety. And it's like, this guy has lost his mind. He's lost his mind. And Americans and people all over the world said he's not honest. And why didn't he have the guts to stand up? Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you.