Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #397 Heart of a Warrior: The Cain Velasquez Journey

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

In this heartfelt podcast, Kyle welcomes his old teammate and close friend, Cain Velasquez. The conversation covers Cain's recent legal troubles, his strong bond with his family and friends, and his unwavering dedication to his children. Cain opens up about his childhood, wrestling career, and transition to MMA. He reflects on his transformative experiences with plant medicine, which have helped him find peace and understanding. This episode also delves into Cain's emotional journey through personal loss, immense challenges, and the importance of maintaining open communication with his children. Despite facing sentencing, Cain remains optimistic and committed to being a loving father.    Connect with Cain here: Instagram   Our Sponsors: With Happy Hippo, you're getting a product that's been sterilized of pathogens, tested for impurities and heavy metals, and sold with a guarantee. Go to happyhippo.com/kkp and use Code KKP for 15% off the entire store Organifi.com/kkp and grab a Sunrise to Sunset kit to be covered with Red, Green and Gold, with 20% off using code KKP If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM. Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU10 to claim your 10% discount. Ready to elevate your health? Visit OneEarthHealth.com and use code: KKP at checkout for 10% off, or find on Amazon.  Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Today's podcast is with my old teammate and my brother and dear friend, Kane Velasquez. Kane, as many of you have heard, is facing jail time and prison time for attempted murder of allegedly, and I have to say that shit because of the fact that all this stuff remains in the air, but a guy who had molested his young son. And I had spoken about this on a solo cast a while back when it happened. And how gripping this has been for many people, many dads, many fans, but for me in particular,

and a lot of our teammates because the fact that we know Kane inside and out, we love Kane. He has a giant fucking heart and is one of the best people I know, and a great father. I really wanted to see Kane and get to podcast with him and get this story of who's Kane, you know I really wanted to see Kane and get to podcast with him and get this story of who's Kane. You know I wanted to get his athletic career but who he's become and what has helped to shift him and his view of the world and where he's at now and honestly after spending two days with him here at the

house with our brother Todd Duffy I really feel like he's in the best place I've ever seen him and no matter what happens March 26 I believe that's the date, maybe it's March 24, the date is coming for sentencing. And no matter what happens with that sentencing, I trust that he will wind up in the best place possible and that he will still remain a great father to his kids throughout their lives, to Coral and to Kane Jr.

I just loved my time with him. It really was something that two days flew by. My kids loved being with them. My wife, my mom got to come and make us a really nice home-cooked meal, a couple of meals actually, with our red deer and a black buck. And we got to teach the kids jujitsu over at Gracie Humaita for an hour and then taught at Heroes Jujitsu at Sheepdog Response up in Tim Kennedy's spot in Cedar Park.

Teach the veterans there for an hour and a half and eat good food, trade war stories, have conversations and all the things in between. And in the last, you know, those 48 hours with Kane and Todd have been really special to me. So I don't know when I'll see you again Kane, but I know that when we do see each other again it's gonna be spectacular. I can't wait to sit with you with medicine. I can't wait to dive deeper and I can't wait to sit with you with medicine. I can't wait to dive deeper. And I can't wait for you to be around your kids again full time. All right, support this podcast by sharing it.

Share it far and wide. Tim Kennedy is the only other guy who podcasted with Kane before the sentencing, to my knowledge. He did one with Tim. Look for that. I'll link to it in the show notes when it comes out. Not sure when it's going to release, but excited to listen to that one as well.

That was a lot more on the athletic career. But ARPAS intertwined from junior college to ASU and to AK and beyond. And so it's kind of cool to catch Kane's side of it and my side of it as we go back and forth through those histories. Anywho, look out for the podcast with Tim Kennedy. I'm excited for that. Share this podcast far and wide. Leave us a five-star rating with one or two ways the show has helped you out in life and support our sponsors. Our sponsors will be released throughout this episode and they make this show fiscally possible. Without further ado, my brother, Cain Ramirez Velasquez. Cain Velasquez, welcome to the podcast, brother. Thank you. Thank you for having me, brother.

This is rad. And odd circumstances bring us together, you know But it's it's I'm super appreciative of your time and you coming out here and I was just laughing with Todd about How some people can't handle you know, like if you don't he's I don't think I'm a good friend if I don't stay in contact With people and I'm like no do we're all fucking busy. We're hitting our stride. Yeah, we're parents. We're doing shit It's like if I don't see a guy for three or four years. It's like doesn't mean I fucking love him any less Yeah, exactly, you know, you know, there's people that you learn from that they're in your life but I don't know like They were talking about before like

From junior college college. I feel like you've always been around as far as being a teammate as well You know, you're always there always somebody learned. And then even now what you're doing, it's like, even though we're not always together, there's something that I'm always like, seeing what you're doing, seeing what I can learn from you. And there's, you're always somebody that I can contact and, you know, share things with, right?

Yeah, brother. And I'm always pumped when I hear from you. It's fucking rad. So I wanna talk, I mean, we got, I've really enjoyed Sean Ryan's podcast in particular when he has veterans on cause he'll do like the life story podcast. And some of them are, you know, a few hours,

some are like fucking six hours. And they're like, they're deep and detailed. We don't have to get into the six hour territory. I know you'd probably be exhausted for that, but I do want to get, you know, your, as much of your life story as you're willing to dive into. Talk about life growing up. You were in Yuma and that will lead our way up to, you know,

to ASU and fighting and beyond that, but talk about, you know, what was life like growing up? You're born in Arizona? No, I was born in Salinas. Okay. Salinas, California. That's right. So I was born there. My dad was a farm worker. So he did the seasonal work from the Bay Area to Arizona. So Arizona,

Yuma is pretty much the hotbed for anything agricultural during the winter time, right? And then the Bay Area is usually the agricultural capital of the world for like the summertime. So we moved around a lot, but I was born in Salinas. Now, man, just my first memories were there. We were, I remember being, we lived in the trailer. I just remember them being like so many kids there, you know, community, you know.

And you guys would travel back and forth? We would travel back and forth, but my earliest memories are being there. And I must've been like two or three, you know? And I remember I had her birthday like two or three, you know, and I remember I had her birthday and the last dragon came out, you know, Bruce Lee Roy story, right? And like, for some reason I was into that, you know, like, I remember getting pajamas from that. But one of like my earliest, like the greatest memories was somebody was holding me up and I could see everybody at the party just looking at me

and I could just feel like how much they loved me, you know? Like that was like one of my earliest memories, like everyone looking at me like, and I could just feel that. So it was just, you know, growing up like good times, you know, enjoying what I was doing. Enjoying just like, I remember I could do like the VCR and stuff and work the VCR at that age, you know, like pop a movie in on

all that stuff. Just back when you'd have to record TV. Yes. Before DVRs or any of that stuff. Yeah. But I just remember martial arts at that age. I was super into so Bruce Lee, um, Jean Claude Van Damme. Yeah. Yeah.

Like I just, one of my earliest memories is just like really loving martial arts and like always having sticks with me and like stick fighting and like stick practicing. Um, for some reason that, that, that just really stuck with me. Yeah. When did you get into wrestling? I got into wrestling in seventh grade. Okay. So I grew up in Yuma, Arizona. Didn't really play a sport. You know, I played sports in elementary, you know, like recess and stuff like that. That's where I got my or I would like do different things, play different things.

Right. But never really played a sport that was really like structured like in that way. So when I got but I always wanted to, you know, like I felt like I needed to. I feel like I wanted to like really bad. know, like I felt like I needed to, I feel like I wanted to like, like really bad. Um, when, uh, my junior high had, had wrestling, I just decided to do that. Like, and I remember it wasn't easy. It's the hardest one. Hard. It's the hard part.

And I'm like, why do I like this? Why do I keep coming back to this? Like it's tough. Right. But I'm like, there's something about it. I don't know. Like I had, I just had a hunger for it. Even though it wasn't like even like popular either,

you know, it had like a kind of a, you know, West coast, mid 90s. So small town that I came from, like nobody wrestled. So they're just like kind of making funny, you know, like we're in the singlet and all that and all that we're in the singlet exactly. Yeah. Yeah, so Again, I don't know why I did it but I'm like there's something that I'm doing here that I just I don't know It's it's calling to me, but it's not it's not easy. It's hard, you know, and not much glory comes with it But I just yeah just kind of kind of kept with it. But I just yeah, just kind of kind of kept with it.

13 I started 13. I think my dad had wrestled in I'd love football. I'd started in popcorn when I was eight. And I was like, man, this football. My dad was like, you can be better at football if you go into wrestling, you know, you'll really learn learn to tackle people blast room and I was like, hell yeah. And I just started switching from offense to defense. And it's started switching from offense to defense. And it's crazy how much harder it is.

It's not even close. Even jujitsu, I got Bear going to wrestling now from jujitsu. And for a while, he didn't want because I would tell him about it like, hey, you're kind of jogging right now. Jujitsu is like running a 5K. It's a hard run. There's times where it's hard. But wrestling's a sprint.

You're running a mile for four minutes. You're running a four minute mile. You're going to bust your ass full go and it will exhaust you and spend every part of you. Yeah. It's a different, uh, different mentality, you know, different pace. Um, unless, unless again, you, you bring some kind of different style to it, you know, uh, all that with body types and also the way that, that, that your brain works mentally. Um,

what you have seven minutes, you know, to go all out, you know, to take somebody down, control them, get back points, all of that. So again, it was something that was like a lot of work for a little bit of like glory recognition, right? A lot of work for a take down. Like, yeah, it would just just hire you out you know like mentally physically like battling with somebody hand-to-hand right with no striking involved based on control but even on

the ground like you can't lock your hands so you got to control them in different ways so one arm on one arm. That kind of Yeah, one arm on the waist. Yes. Yeah. So just all of that, man, the more I got deeper into it, the more I was like, I don't know, I just I just kept loving it. You know, the more that I was learning about it. And for me, it was like, just go to every practice that I could, you know, I couldn't get enough. Try to go to every practice that I could you know, I I couldn't get enough try to go to every tournament that I could even though I like necessarily like The actual meets or the tournaments I didn't necessarily like I loved practice and drilling like this had me in a practice room Drilling and I was good there. I was hoping I like that's what I really wanted to do was just kind of keep doing that It's interesting. It's like Chuck Liddell's the opposite. Hated,

hated training, but loved being in the fight. Like that's already wanted to be like, put me in the fucking cage. But he knew if I want to be good there, I have to do this other shit I don't like. Yes. For me, I mean, it's something that I did. It's something that I learned from, you know, um, again, to go out and, you know, and wrestle like with your family and be in there with your, with your, your T or with your schoolmates being there, people that know you.

So you just kind of learn at a young age that you're putting up in a very vulnerable spot. People are gonna see you win, people are gonna see you lose, people are gonna see you in vulnerable positions, and you have to just take it for what it is. And people are gonna say this or that, depending on what you did, right?

But so it was very good learning. Just how nervous to be before a match, like how nervous you would get, preparation leading up to it. I never really had to cut weight. So that was an issue. You were always that heavyweight then. Yeah, yeah.

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it's a lifestyle. Tune into nature, tune into health. One Earth Health, pure, potent, perfect. It's wrong for any of us as fans or people outside of the arena to assume somebody's got their shit a certain way, right? But every time I'd see you before a fight, I'd be like, Kane's fucking locked in. So I don't know if you experience the same nerves in roller coaster, most dudes do,

where I'm fucking walking to a cage saying, why am I doing this? Why did I choose the cage door shut? And it's like, all right, let's go. Like it would switch for me at different times. Other times, I'm walking in the cage, like I fucking got, let's go. You know, like it would switch for me at different times. Yeah. Other times, you know, I walk into the cage and like, I fucking got this, you know, it was just different, different scenarios, different training camps, that kind of thing, but you always had the look of like, you're, you're going to

fucking win no matter what. So I, I kind of saw the difference in other people, like when I, when I would be in the back room with them as well, you know, it's people have different, the way that they got prepared, the way that they walked out was something, everyone was a little different, you know? I think wrestling for me really helped me with all of that. You know, obviously from junior high level, from high school level, you know,

in high school like wrestling like big matches. So like Western regionals, like national tournaments, but also like the state tournament, right? You got a whole arena field. And if you're in the finals, California is a huge state tournament, right? Huge. It's a big deal. I remember I didn't do well at CCS, but like there's guys I knew that were CCS champions that had a lot of trouble at state. And I was like, I figured if you went CCS, just based on location, the amount of people there, like you're going to conquer, you know, it's like, that's not necessarily the case. California is loaded. Yes. Yeah. So with me, like, um, I had my first to the guy that I beat earlier in the year, you know, and all that played a part, you know, like I didn't necessarily know how to get ready because it was like, it was just one, uh, it was kind of a big dual leading up, right. And they did the ceremonies after, you know, put the people on the, on the, uh, on the podium, you know, and all that. Um, I remember losing and my cousin, I have an older cousin who was a state champion

from Eloy, Arizona. And I just remember him talking so much shit to me, man. Like just drilling me, dude. And it was so humbling. It was like, well, you can't say anything, even if he's wrong or not. Like you can't say that you lost, you know, there's nothing you like. It doesn't matter. So there's no comeback. There's no comeback. So I just had to like, I mean, he's kicking a down guy.

I thought that's its own thing. You know, like there's no comeback because he's kicking a down guy. Just drilling me like this talking so much shit, you know, like, well, you try to be a Greco superstar and of course you get thrown, you know, like just talking so much shit you know like well you try to be a Greco superstar and of course you get thrown you know like just talking so one of those like things where you're like okay I'm almost there you know I want to win this and it doesn't happen it just you know you it, you, it's just how, it's just how, how can you take certain things and like, and make them how you want? Right?

I, that was just fuel, right? Like I always love wrestling. Like I love just to go in and practice again and just doing, you know, drilling like over and over again. But that was fuel, you know, like, okay, next time I get here, or if I do, you know, like I know what to do now. I know how to properly like just warm up. And again, it's just like taking criticism, you know,

like you really can't listen to it. Don't take it to heart. Don't take things personal, but learn from your losses, right? Get better, that's all you're going to do. Um, so yeah. Did you, did you, I mean, you love training. Was it something where, did you always have phenomenal endurance or is that a, uh, uh, you know, like a side effect of loving training and actually showing up and doing hard

work? No, I think, I think I always had natural endurance and, endurance and athleticism, but I didn't really recognize it. I remember like seven in eighth grade years, like eighth, like seventh grade, I was still like a boy. Like I still had like a like a boy body and everything, you know, like, so I just remember being like matched with somebody strengths were like equal, you know, I didn't know very moves and stuff.

So it was very difficult. 8th grade year like every I pinned everybody like in the first period you know I started like growing and but then I get to my freshman and sophomore year it's like now I'm wrestling juniors seniors and we had a pretty good team that year where I had to wrestle my brother who was who was a state placer I had to wrestle the my brother who was, who was a, um, state placer. I had a wrestle, the, um, the one, the one 85 pounder. I think we had, it was a state placer who was older, you know, older guys. So I was still very young wrestling with like older guys and it was,

everything was just a battle. Yeah. You know, freshman year battles. Being at heavyweight, it's like like playing linemen in college football. Yes. If you're a freshman or sophomore like everyone you're going against they're giant and they're mature. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's much harder. Yeah. Junior senior junior sorry freshman sophomore years I was a 215 pounder. Okay. My brother was heavyweight so I had to cut a little bit like five pounds those two years, you know? But it was tough, man. Like sophomore years got a little easier, you know? But some guys were very tough out there. Yeah, it's still the same thing though as upper weight classes. It doesn't

change the point. Like at 215, you've got guys that are solid, you know, have been in it for four years and probably worked their way up to where now as a senior they're at two 15, but they might've been wrestling at lighter weight classes, you know, against guys younger. Yeah. Yeah. So my, my junior and senior year, man, it was, I was pretty dominant, you know, there wasn't very many people that can touch me. I did a lot of national tournaments where I wrestled like some of the best guys and I beat I beat a lot of them. I beat the majority of them, you know

So I kind of knew where I stacked in like the whole wrestling world, you know as far as the nation goes Yeah, did you did you get a ride to ASU or did you say this is where I want to go How'd that work out? What's so hard? So my grades weren't weren't the best Same I didn't do school didn't get my attention. You know, it just didn't. I was, I don't know, I was just like, this is nothing that I'm ever gonna use. You know, I understand this is what we have to do,

but I love playing sports. And obviously you have to do both, right? But I just knew like school for me wasn't teaching me anything that I really, it didn't give me the substance, right? So I would rather be in class and just like daydream, like dream about the future, dream about like what I'm doing like later on that day

and like stuff that I really wanna do.. So like my, my, my, my sport stuff, you know, obviously made it work enough where I had a, got to stay eligible, stay eligible. Right. Um, so my grades weren't the best. I got recruited a lot for, uh, for wrestling, but more, more so for, uh, for football. I got recruited a lot for high school, but I knew like, my grades weren't the best, and also I knew I would do better in wrestling because I've done more like the national stuff.

You know, so I had to go to Juco first. So I went to Iowa Central Community College. That's right. Yes. I went there right away. Went there for about a year and a half. Year and a half. We won our national title for Juco College. Met a lot of good guys, won a national title there as a team and I won one individual as well. Um, and then I finished out by my second year, my second semester of my second year at Mesa community college in Arizona.

Cause I knew I was going to go to Arizona state and wrestle there. Yeah. Thunderbirds. That's why I went, I went to West Valley in Saratoga, California for a year. Then I realized I wanted to go to ASU and ask them where's all your transfers coming from? They said Mesa is where all of our transfers come. So I went there, played a year there, and then walked on.

And I remember you being there. I would work out on the track sometimes and I'd see you there working out where the running stadiums are doing something. Yeah. Yeah, I had to bust my ass because I was carrying so much weight, you know, like juice to the gills,

trying to keep my weight up to play defensive line. Yeah, yeah. And it was funny. I had a 93 Dodge Colt with no air conditioning, nothing, no power steering. And I remember hitting those stadiums at MCC and then I'd drive back soaking wet. I'd roll the windows down and I would be sweating.

I would be sweating. It would beat up and it would dry without rolling anywhere. Just having the windows open. Yeah, like that's a dry heat in Arizona. I was like, it's legit. I could lean forward. It would dry my back even though I was cooked. I had a 87 Nissan Stanza at that time that sometimes had a hard trouble starting, but it was a manual.

So I would push started from, yeah, from the parking lot, dude, out of the space, stop it and then run and then like cop in and start it and take off. Yeah. That's dope. Yeah. Same thing, but, uh, the AC work and everything else. So sometimes, uh, the starter wasn't, wasn't the best, but yeah. That's just good for the training though.

Let's quick start. That's probably helped you run across the cage on people. You wanted to go to Arizona state. Talk about that program there because you guys, it's a really cool thing. Like thinking we were all there at the same time, but it's even cooler in my mind. Like I'm a tag along cause I played football

at the same time. All you wrestlers happened to be there and all of us end up in the UFC and you think like there's no other real College at that time. Yeah, we're like you have a draft class effectively that all turns pro You know a sport and all makes it to the highest level of the sport Even your coach right even Aaron Simpson comes in does the same like it was really really fucking cool to think about that. Yeah So Like it was really, really fucking cool to think about that. Yeah. So from, from my, my, my year and a half at Iowa, I knew that I wanted to go back, you know, obviously Iowa was a great experience, um, great experience with

teammates and, um, and also wrestling in there. But I knew that for me, like to go back home and have my, my family watch me, you know, to, uh, and have my family watch me, that's what I wanted. And I became an Arizona State fan when Jake Plummer and his team went to the Rose Bowl. That's when I became a Die Hard ASU fan. Saw that they had really good wrestling. So yeah, I had Tom Ortiz Ortiz was the head coach at the

time, recruit me. He recruited me for to go to Iowa State because when I was when I was a senior, he was at Iowa State. So he recruited me there. Obviously, I couldn't make it because I had to go to Juco. And then he, when he went to Arizona State, he ended up going there, right? And he ended up recruiting me to go there, to Arizona State. So I took a visit, man. And again, I knew I was going to go there. You know, I was going to go back. And yeah, I didn't know.

But so me, you were there playing football, playing football, but you know, that, that went on and, and, and fought, right? That went on and fought. So Tom Ortiz, our head coach ended fighting later on, right? So, so he had, he had some fights as well. The two assistants, so Aaron Simpson, found the UFC, Eric Larkin, I think, Fon Bellator. And then as far as the team goes, so me, Ryan Bader,

CB Dalloway, John Moraga. I don't know if there's anybody else. You just listed off a fucking grip of people. Well, you think about that. All on the same team. Yeah, that's crazy. All on the same team, including the coaches. Right?

So we all, yeah. All those guys fought in the UFC or fought in the big organizations. All from the same team. Yeah, that's fucking wild. You guys, I mean, it's just interesting. Like there's, especially like, you know, I'm jumping ahead to AKA, but we've seen many great wrestlers come through AKA because there's an attraction like, hey, you already have this dialed, come in here,

we'll teach you how to strike, we'll teach you Jiu-Jitsu, you'll be a world champion. Not every wrestler comes in there and actually enjoys getting hit. See a lot of guys come and go quick, like three pro fights. They're out. Hey, it's not for me. Yes. And there's nothing wrong with that. But, um, to have all of those, all of you guys, to have that mentality where you're like, fuck it. I don't care if I get hit in the face. Let's go, let's play. Yeah. Like that's, that's really unique. It's really cool. It's pretty, it's pretty cool.

It is. I, I know we had something special, man. Those guys, you know, all those guys are just a tough team. We ended up placing. I think we were tied for sixth that year in the nation. So we had a good team. And yeah, man, we were just like just just just wild men, you know, wild boys led by just just just wild men, you know, wild boys led by a wild coach. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And

I saw I saw how the UFC was growing, you know, when I was there as a as a junior. And I knew that, OK, like I love wrestling, but there's something missing in wrestling, like the striking and all that. And I feel like, OK, I want to do that. Like, I want to learn from that. I don't know how I'll do again. Again, the striking and everything else, in those exchanges, it could change, right? But I just felt like this is what I want to do.

I want to figure this out. I'm going to try it. So when I graduated from Arizona State, I went out to San Jose to AK, you know, packed up all myself in my car and just like, and just got theirs and started training. Yeah. That's the problem. I rewind just a second.

Then we'll get to AK, but you took fourth senior year in NCAAs. How'd that, or how'd that? Yeah. Senior year. Yeah. Fourth. And then I took fifth, uh,. My junior. Yes. Damn. Yeah. Top five back to junior and senior year and, and still

undersized for heavyweight. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I wrestled around close to 250. Around there. Maybe 244 around there. And then the weight limit is 285. Yeah. So a lot of, a lot of time, most of the time I was undersized. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But your tenacity, you know, basically what you brought to the cage that moving forward, don't stop. You could see that in a wrestling move. Remember seeing videos and highlights of you and I was like, damn dude, it's right there. Yeah. Yeah. The way that I had to wrestle is a little different. You know, I had to

use, um, it taught me a lot. Like I can't get stuck under somebody, you know, if I go in and shoot on somebody, then I gotta get in there then, and then turn the corner, you know, I can't get stuck on under anybody. I can't, uh, have them lay their weight on me, you know, whether with their hands or their body. Um, I have to move it. Just, um, I gotta, I gotta push the pace. I gotta make this a fast pace match in order for them to get tired and then I can start working my stuff. Right. But it always seemed like the first, the first, the first period, maybe the first two minutes I could feel that I was like, I was weaker, you know, I've never been

been been a big strong guy in the gym, like as far as I got in the weight room. So I knew in the first period, like wrestling, like, okay, it's pretty even. Yeah. You know, these guys are strong. And then after a while, then then they'll start breaking down, but I got to push that pace on them. Yeah. Make them work.

I gotta make exhaust themselves. You gotta make them work. They gotta make exhaust themselves. You gotta make them work. I gotta use my speed. Um, again, I can't be stuck under them. I don't, I never want to carry, um, anyone's weight. I want them to carry my weight, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So you get to, you pack up, you get to AK. Um, what'd you get? You get two fights, two pro fights before you make it to the UFC, right? Yes. Everyone's, I mean, let's describe AK at that time, right? There's a few, there's a handful of world-class gyms in the whole planet. We've seen some kind of come and fade like Militich. They had one of the greatest camps of all time and that kind of faded over the years.

had a fucking one of the greatest camps of all time. And that kind of faded over the years. AKA is emerging. You've got Kostchik, Fitch, Swick, all three ranks in the top 10 in welterweight. You've got Josh Thompson, strike force champion, Trevor Prangley, Bobby Southworth, Paul Buentello who fought Andre Arlovski for the heavyweight championship.

I think for 11 grand, side note. And Mike, Matt, Kyle, big Mike who was doing really well. You know, there was just, it was loaded with top tier guys with a shit ton of experience. And you really start me in Paul was there and Mike was there and there was some big guys that could come through and train and whatnot. But like you've really started the big guys program, like bringing everyone in this was before DC got there before I got there before it before that really started to grow and Luke came on, you know, and was at middleweight. I remember when I moved back, I was seven, I took my first loss. I was seven and oh, I took my first loss. I didn't really start training in MMA till I was three and oh, and I was like, holy shit, I'm actually decent.

I should train, you know, like I was just winning, you know, like bar room brawl type of shit and raging the cage against fat heavyweights that had no athleticism. And I take my first loss. I talked to coach house and he goes Kingsbury, what the fuck are you doing? Get out of here. You need to go to first loss. I talked to coach house and he goes Kingsbury, what the fuck are you doing? Get out of here. You need to go home to California. And I was like, I want to go there. You know, it seems like a good idea. And he's like, fuck, it's the only idea.

Cane for last year's was with there's the only idea. You gotta go home. You gotta train with Kane if you want to do anything. And I was like, all right, coach. And he had been for me, like, you know, I talk about like glass ceilings, you know, before training with him, I had ceilings, but because of house, I broke through whatever the fuck I thought was my max effort so many times that I realized that's fiction, right?

That doesn't exist. Like I can push myself beyond whatever I think I'm capable of. This dude already pulled me up the ladder that way. Right? And so like that, that house will come back into it, but he was a big reason I came I came out to a K To move there and I remember getting a job 50 bucks a night at Cardiff bouncing with you I think Fitch was bartending it was pretty much everybody had been through there, you know If they were on the AK fight team, they'd work there

Yeah, it was kind of a funny it was funny, funny little place to be, you know, it is, and it was, um, man, that's just the life of a fighter, you know, especially up and coming, right? Um, my schedule was train all day, you know, and then I, all I need is food, you know, I'm, um, crazy Bob Cook's letting me stay at his place, you even before that, I would just stay in my car. So I just knew like, whatever, like, this is what I'm doing, right? So I'd go Thursday, Friday, Saturday and get paid 150 bucks and make that work for the week. That's cooling gas and food and just train, you know, and it was the best, you know,

it was like, yeah, other guys are doing the same thing, just doing, you know, doing it differently. So people were staying at the gym and all that and like, like staying there, you know. That's right. The old aka they had a little room upstairs, they had the one shower and they had that spot, the little dorm, right? We'll stay in there, the one shower and then they had that spot, the little dorm, right? We'll stay in there, you know, and then and lived in there. Right. Um,

it's next to big lots and a big, uh, like a, uh, what do they call that? Like a mall parking lot mall? What are they call those? Like a strip mall, strip mall. Yep. Strip mall was in a strip mall. Old AK was in a strip mall. Yeah. In South San Jose next to a big lots. Yeah. That would, that gym had a smell to it too. But it was like, it reminded me of a wrestling room. Okay. You know, in winter time, you'd see all the windows were completely fogged.

Yes. Like it was a fucking real fight center. Yeah. No, like an old school, badass, real fight center. It was, it's crazy, man. Yeah, just the afternoon practices, right? We had practice at 12 and we had one ring. So all the techniques sparring will be on the ground, right? And then the ring, you

do the hard stuff. So everyone could kind of watch everybody's doing, you know, like even though you're doing your technique sparring on the ground or whatever, you'd look up and then like, whoever's priority, right? Go in and get banned. Just battles, you know, just like watching like, again, like Thompson, Fitch, Koschek, Gilbert Melendez would come by a lot to spar with like Thompson. Yeah, he'd come down from San Francisco, right? Yeah, and Jake Shields as well would come by

to get some sparring. So, San Francisco, right? Yeah. And Jake Shields as well would come by to get some sparring. So Liotta Machida, Andre Alasky, like all those guys came and trained. I remember like being first in there, like Hava throw me different people, you know, like even like a boxer, like a big boxer from somewhere else, from like, from the bear would come in and, you know, we'd do some boxing rounds. Uh, the first guy that I really trained with, um, was, uh, Paul Bonotello, Paul Bonotello and then, uh, and, and, uh, Daniel Peter, he was like First sparring partners. But Paul, Paul, if you ever watch Paul fight head hunter, amazing hands. Right. I had to be so clean and crisp with him. I'm taking him down, set on my take down. So he so he actually formed me a lot like he taught me a lot just by showing me, just from us sparring in there.

I couldn't stay in front of him because I was gonna get tagged up. He was gonna piece me up. And there was a one, two big punches. No, it was a lot. Fast hands, right? Super fast hands, especially for heavyweight. Yeah, so it was kind of the same thing

that I was doing in college wrestling. I couldn't stay in front of somebody, exactly someone like him. thing that I was doing in college wrestling, like I couldn't stay in front of somebody, exactly someone like him. You know, so my head movement had to be on, I had to be fast in and outs, and I got to set up my punches, my takedowns, you know? Yeah. Throw good solid punches to make him, you know, something that has some substance behind it, not just throw my hand up there, but something good connect with something really well.

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before sparring. You're not just before fights. He would puke before every spark. Now I get it just from the fucking years of experience of training with you. I get, I get, I get the nerves, but like, I was like, this dude was far. He'd puke before like sparring Bobby Southworth. He'd puke before sparring anybody. I was like, damn, dude, you've had nerves like that. Like, do you eat before training? Like, I don't understand. Is there like food not digested? Are you waterlogged? I didn't get it, but it was just nerves. And once he puked, he'd fucking shake it on his cheek, his head off and he'd say,

I'm good. Throw his mouthpiece in and go. Yeah. Uh, I remember. Yeah. He, he'd be like puking and stuff before sparring and I remember like being in the back room of him just like puking like warming up puking walking out right calling you walk out puking and then when it was go time set that cage he turned it on right um so that that's where I really learned how people are different in the back room. Again, one guy who just couldn't get out of the bathroom, dropping deuces. Before he left, he just had to go back in

and drop another one. Another guy that just kept peeing, you know, warm up a little bit and go pee. So it's just learning how people are like, Oh, like warm up a little bit, go pee like, um, so it's just, it's just learning, uh, how, how people like react to certain things like this, you know? Yeah. It's a, I mean, body's response to like, uh, life and death is what is pretty much thinking, even though like we're not dying in there, like that, you you're putting your shit on the line. Your body can't tell the difference. That kind of that level of nerves. Yeah. And that's, and that's how I felt, you know, but I, again, I think wrestling

really helped me with that side of it, you know? Um, but yeah, the nerves were there for me, you know, the nerves were there, but, um, I just always, I always just like it to me, it didn't matter if I won or lost, like I'm going to give you everything I have You know that was my mentality and that was my mentality even in sparring you know one day. I was still very young Didn't have any really good hands yet or anything and how I've said okay today You're just gonna box with with Paul. He thought I was gonna get my ass kicked Right, but I was, okay, and I just

went in that zone, man, like, I'm going to war right now, I'm throwing my hands, and I'm giving you everything I have, I don't care if you, you know, mess me up or whatever, I'm giving you everything I have for this amount of time that we're doing this, everything. And I didn't get my ass kicked like you thought, you know. So it was just basically that. Again, with training and everything, we're going into that warm mentality where we know we can get into deep waters and everything else.

For me, it was just, I'm gonna give you everything I have. And if I end up falling in between that time, because I'm exhausted or whatever, just it doesn't matter. I don't even care about that. Yeah, I'm giving you everything. I'm not saving anything at any moment. I'm giving it to you all.

And then if I can't even walk out of here, then that's okay. You know, but that's... So for me, it was like that. For me, it was more of like war. I got to go to war in that way. For me it wasn't necessarily a sport. It was like I went really deep within myself to make it that.

Not just in the fights, man, or even in sparring, but I'm talking about practice. I had this amount of time to do this, like I'm gonna lose myself in it every day. And that, we're just learning about each other. I'm learning about myself, which is the best thing you could do. I'm learning my limitations, I'm learning my glass ceiling, right?

And it's like, there is none, it's whatever you think glass ceiling, right? And it's like, there is none. It's whatever you think it is. Right? Like, so that that really just shaped my mind, my soul to know that I can, I can withdraw, I can do anything. As long as I love it, and have a passion for it, I'm going to give it everything, you know, and I don't even care about the outcome. But I'm given all of this to me, you know, and I don't even care about the outcome, but I'm giving all of this to, you know, I'm giving, uh, I'm going deep within myself every day and figure out, figuring out more about myself, you know, and, and, um,

as a young fighter, like you're searching for a lot of knowledge, you know, a lot of tools to bring in and like, and, and, uh, just how, just how to be more complete, right? And then I found later on in the middle, it's like, you have both. Now you have a lot of wisdom, but now you have like, you try to make everything easy as well, not make it so hard on you. And then later on it was like, okay,

this can't really take a lot of damage, right? But I got a lot of wisdom. How can I make this as easy as possible, you know, and still be effective and all that. So it was all just a very good for me. It was like, again, I'm just learning about myself, you know, in this in this chaotic way, that's what you want to call it. But I found a lot of peace in it. You know, it, uh, it made me like being able to train, lose myself in that way and that type of violence and structure. Um, I found peace with myself with that, with all that, you know, and, um, bleeding and going to war with, with my brothers, you know,

and even guys that I fought with, it's like respect, you know, I know what you do. I know who you are. There's mutual respect forever for all that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you were, it makes sense that you were, that you loved training from wrestling because that was one of the first things I noticed about you as I was like, damn, Kane's always here. He's always in the gym. And, you know, some guys would come and I'm not judging anybody, but some guys would be there for camps and not there when they're out of camp, you know and towards the end of my career I was pat backing off a little bit more and training in Arizona and then coming back but um You were always there like it was it was like you were the dude if you could always count on Kane being in there

You know like to train with and it's funny. There was a part one of my pivotal moments before I got on the ultimate fighter, I was just kind of training. And, you know, I was seven and one, but it wasn't against guys like you or anybody that in the AKA level. And I was just getting my ass beaten. Paveir pulled me aside one day and he goes, what are you doing? And I was like, stretching. It's like, no, what are you doing here? It's like training to be a professional fighter. And he's like, what are you doing? I don't get level with me. What the fuck are you talking about? He goes, do you want to be Kane's punching bag? And I was like, no, it's like, do you like being Kane's

punching bag? And I was like, no. And he goes, and then what are you doing? And I was like, fuck man. And he like hit me right to the heart. Cause I realized like, unless I improve, that's all I'm going to be. Like unless I really take it upon myself to push myself to another level, I'm going to be that, you know, and I didn't want to be that, but I hadn't clarified it until have said, look, dude, this is, this is who you are right now. If you don't change, that's how it's going to be. You know? And, and,. And part of me was pissed,

cause like he was only holding mitts. A lot of the guys would only hold mitts if you were in the UFC or if you had big fights coming up. And that's when he brought in Weetzy. I got to work with Weetzy and Weetzy fucking loved holding pads for us. And that was so rad.

And he was such a little guy. He's like little hummingbird, just floating around, pop, pop, pop, pop. But Weetzy was awesome because he was like the first guy that gave me attention. And then from there, I felt like my hand speed improved. My endurance improved. You know, it's funny. We would rotate, you know, everybody in the MMA world knows this, but by now, just from the stories of you, but we would rotate fresh bodies, like every two and a half minutes on you with

professional fighters. And we'd have to rotate that because no one could do five minutes with you, right? That was fucking insane. And you'd stay in second round, third round. Then when you had your first title fight, if one of us could stand for five minutes, it was a win. Yeah. Right. And you're doing five, five minute rounds. And you know, it's like, it was fucking crazy to see that, that you would have that much endurance. And other guys that are, you know, arguably, you know, everyone's a professional, there's nobody there that's an amateur at that

point. Yeah. And we're still getting tagged out, you know, to come in with bring fresh bodies on you. That was that was, it was a special thing to witness and something that helped pull me to be better, because I saw it was possible. Yeah, yeah. Well, we did that quite a bit in wrestling, you know, and I knew that was the hardest thing to do, you know? And again, I did it as a freshman and sophomore where the, where the guys are much older and guys are much stronger, um, where it sucked, you know, and I, and, and, and it, it, you know,

it was what it was, but it taught me something and all that stuff. And yeah, again, man, it was, I don't know what it was necessarily. I just wanted to win, whatever that was, right? And I didn't like someone hitting me clean, none of that. Like that was just fuel, that was just, just adding fuel to me, you know, it hit me one, okay. Like right away, you know, like, like no,

you know, kind of thing. So it was kind of just that, just that internal battle, you know, that I just kept, it just kept, it just kept fueling me, like the more you gave me and more anybody gave me, I would just try to like, okay, I'm gonna give you this, you know? So that's how I learned. Yeah.

You know, it was that, it was like to use that, that energy inside in this way. There was never a point where like you got hit and you're like, uh-oh, it was just like, okay, now you're gonna fucking pay. I remember in the Czech Congo fight, you got hit a couple of times flush. You kind of dropped down almost into a squat and then boom blast, double leg, take him down and you could see the look on your face. You see like rolled up.

You're tight waisted and just fucking measuring shots. You had like 250 plus headshots in that from the grounded pound. And I was like, damn, like you're making every one of those count. And I remember the announcers like Rogan had talked about, he wasn't Rogan, maybe he was Goldie. But at some point, they were like, well, Kane's a smaller heavyweight, these punches aren't that hard. And it was like, No, no, no, no. Kane still hitting you that hard. These guys have good chins. Yeah, it might be 80%

that you're throwing at, but you're doing that for fucking 25 minutes. Yes, right. Just over and over and over again. I was like, these guys clearly just haven't been punched by you. To not think that there's power. There's a gang of power, especially when you're pulling someone's body while you're talking yours to punch them. You know? Yeah. So. Like we talk about learning rights, improving in general.

That was something really good, man, that good that I kind of got through training, through fighting that I could put in my personal life. Just learning those lessons like when I was getting tagged, okay, what am I doing? Why am I getting tagged? Am I staying in the pocket too long? Right? I remember there was a time where I really started like overreaching when I would throw punches, you know, and what, what had me, um, I was so elongated that I really couldn't come back after I threw the punches. So I thought I went to or something now, then I would get tagged, right. I would get it afterwards and it didn't register the first time, but then like two, three, like, okay, why am I getting hit now when I'm doing this?

Right? I'm overreaching. I'm out of position. You know, like I got too much weight on my front foot. That means I can't come back. And when I got too much weight on my front foot, then I can't shoot after that either. This is my, it's my drive leg. My back leg is my drive leg.

Also if they shoot on me, I can't really sprawl. Yeah. You know? So my only move now, what I can do is come back. But that's how I saw everything. Something really wasn't working, it was a little difficult. How can I transform that? With the punches, my first, I guess,

part of my early part of my UFC career, I didn't know how to use my weight with the punches my first I guess part of my early part of my UFC career I didn't know how to use my weight to what the punches like they like they were hard but they weren't that hard you know big guy I was a big guy but like I wasn't a strong natural puncher I had to like really work on the technique you know leverage uh take my time and just throw from my hips, throw from the ground. If I was set up too high, it was almost like nothing. There's like nothing behind it. And then if I would try to like make the punches quick so I can like go for the takedown, then there's no substance behind it, you know?

So I realized like, it takes a little more, it takes a little more patience to really throw something hard, takes more commitment. You know, just like anything else, like if a relationship is like 50 50, that's that, you know, that that's what you're giving out. Right? So it's not necessarily it's going to go very far. Because do you only give it out? So I saw that how committed you have to be in everything. If you want something to work or you want the most out of it, right? So I teach this now and it's like,

get in with the distance, but really sit down. Take your time with sitting down, be nice and covered and having your legs down low, almost like you are gonna shoot, right? And let this person have all that you have, you know, and then blast through them. Don't just punch out their face. Like you wanna hit past their head kind of thing right and um I

Think what the interactions you get to a little scary because anything can come back But that little extra commitment of just like I'm gonna give you all of this right I'm gonna give this all this punch and That's what opened it opens up the doors to everything opens up the doors to knockouts It opens up the doors like making that shot much easier right, but it takes that full commitment and it's a it could be a little scary, but like opens up the doors to everything opens up the doors to knockouts and opens up the doors to like making that shot much easier. Right. But it takes that full commitment and it's a, it can be a little scary, but like you have to just say, I fit man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Title shots.

Um, you win, you lose, you win again. You had dealt with a shit ton of injuries. You know, I remember when, when, uh, would Cheche came up, you lose, you win again. You had dealt with a shit ton of injuries. I remember when Buccecce came up, you guys were going and it was like watching two fucking heavyweight street cats in the mat. Like everyone stopped and watched like, holy shit, this is rad.

And shoulder injuries, knee injuries, lots of stuff started to add up. When did you start thinking like maybe I'm in a transition? Um, a lot of that was just, you know, like not having a, I had just, well, having a high pain tolerance, you know, and being able to just, just to work hard, you know, um, again, I just had fun and what I was doing, regardless of like what was happening, you know, things were like falling apart. Like again, I didn't necessarily feel the pain so I could work through it, you know,

until it like, until it really got like, like dangerous, right? It wasn't necessarily the, the body stuff. It was more of, okay, I think I've learned enough of what I wanted to learn, enough where it doesn't excite me like it used to. Right? The training, the fighting, it doesn't excite me like it used to. So yeah, like let's, it's time to take this energy and just kind of take it to somewhere else. All right.

Yeah, that was that resonates big time. Yeah, it was that. Yeah, I felt that way from the plant medicine work with Weetsey, you know, which we'll dive into in a minute, but like we see getting first with sweat lodges and you know, which we all participated in Indian Canyon and then eventually with psilocybin. And then eventually with ayahuasca. Wasn't a lot of ayahuasca then it was mostly with psilocybin. But those were print really transformative experiences. And for me, you

know, having super long layoffs like shoulder surgery took me fucking two years to come back from. Okay, labrum. It was a long time before I could I could punch with any kind of open my right hand. Yeah. And yeah, I just felt like it, it wasn't the most important thing in my life. Yeah. You know, which was like fighting has to be that. If you're going to do it at that level, it's got to be fucking number one. It can't be number two. Can't be number three. You know, like it needs to be up there. It does. It does. And for me, the way that I, the way that I went about it. And I feel like I went about, I feel like from a young age, something happened to me. I think it was, you know, for me, I moved around a lot

and I think I became a big introvert from moving around a lot, Spanish being my first language. So not being able to necessarily speak English that well, like having, you know, and then when I learned a lot of English, I lost a lot of my Spanish. So I necessarily didn't fit in anywhere, right? Moved around a lot. I felt like I didn't have necessarily in common

with a lot of people. So I became a big introvert. And I used that all the way up to my fighting, especially fighting where I could really excel being an introvert, like not showing the other person what you have. As far as the way that I spoke about fights, more so like keep myself hidden until it's

time to go out and fight. So I did that a lot. I mean, you'll know, Obviously, you know, like even with my training partners. I remember it took like a good six months to like crack the wall and crack jokes with you and have you smile and crack jokes back. It was like, you know, and then like, remember, like, no, no, I was like one of the first guys that could really like get in with you and get you to open up.

And I was like, oh, Kane's in there. He's just he's just not in there to most people. You know, it takes a while in there, especially because it was like, oh, Kane's in there. He's just not in there to most people, you know? It takes a while in there, especially because it was like, that's the way that I trained, you know? I wasn't necessarily like a leader, like speaking or anything else like that. But if you, again, like the way that I only could teach

or like by working hard, you know? If you see me like this is what I'm doing, like cool. Yeah, you led through your, through showing. You were a way show for sure. But it was, I feel like that was like the, I guess the end of like that, you know, like, now working with like, you know, obviously big fights,

like working with the UFC, a lot of speaking where I almost had to like slowly open up, you know, I couldn't necessarily be that introvert like, like I was. So things I did with the UFC really helped me to open up everything I did with fighting people. I got to meet people that like, uh, that I got to like speak to, I had to like slowly let myself out to everyone, you know? Yeah. It's it. I remember like the first, the Verdoom fight, you know, with all the hype and the lead up, the first one in Mexico city. Obviously you're the first, uh, Mexican heavyweight champion, any combat sports history. It's a big fucking deal. And, um, you know, you had like all the lead up on Fox and like all this stuff before the ESPN deal, you know,

and like, you're just interviewing a lot of like, damn, Kane's on TV is all over the place. And I was wondering how that felt. It's interesting that you selected pro wrestling as the next thing to do because that is pure extrovert. Like you're a caricature, you know, you're running a gimmick full time, you know, where you are the character that you're creating, you know? Yeah.

So for me, it was just living a dream of doing lucha. That's how it started. It was watching lucha libre as a little kid, having those ties to that part of the culture, something that I just really loved. And I was like, man, that'd be really cool for me to do a lucha match. So my agent, Mike Fonseca at the time, got with AAA, which is one of the biggest or the

biggest lucha companies in Mexico City. And we ended up making a match there. And it didn't work out. Like, like nothing. I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know what I was wearing or anything up until the night before. They said, here's your Speedo and here's your mask. Brother like night before the match, dude. So I was like, I was losing it. Because I'm like, dude, I'm like, I told everybody that I'm doing this thing, and I don't know what we're doing.

I'm necessarily like, I haven't trained for this because I don't know what to do, right? So I'm like, this is gonna be fucking stupid. You know, like, just that like, do it, just the night before I get it all, everything that comes together, right together right like and we go out do this match man and like I don't know if people liked it like it was fun it was fun as hell like it was just super cool you know um I got to have um my my son was very young so he was like a year old or so, but my daughter, she was, I think,

I think nine or 10 at the time. First time she ever got to see me do anything in person, because we never had her go to the fights. So my daughter, Coral, got to go. And after the match, man, I look over there, and she's bawling, like just so happy you know like like happy tears like that was fucking cool that was fucking that was awesome that that made my night like watching her at the end rather than anything else was that like that yeah yeah That's a superhero. Dude, that was the best. And that it was that.

It was like, just for me, it was just a magical night, you know, got to relive a dream and I got to live a dream in general. I got to see her like just that connection, like fucking like just perfect, you know. So then I did another match later on in New York with AAA and then yeah, I'll try to see what's up with the WWE. And so we did a match with Brock Lesnar and I've always been a fan of WWE. But for me it was, I need more development in there to do that. If I want to do that again, Lucha I love, and I feel like that fits me perfectly.

I think with WWE, I just need a lot more, uh, you know, for me it would take time to do something like that. Yeah. You got to develop all the choreography. You got to develop speech patterns. Like I just went in right away, you know? Yeah. It was right away. Yeah. So it to develop all the choreography. You got to develop speech patterns. Like I just went in character. Going to be right away. You know, it was right away. Yeah. So it was a little, it was a little different, but it was good. Again, good learning.

Got to see what, you know, what it all is and you know, um, meet great people, obviously, you know, learn and, and, and help great people. But yeah. Yeah. I remember that with a Daniel pewter when he got on the million dollar tough enough, that was was a fucking huge deal. Cause he, I think he retired from MMA as eight. No. And strike force, um, went into wrestling, said he was going to go pro and then he got on the million dollar tough enough. And it was rad watching him because he truly is a great athlete. Yeah. You know, he beat everybody in the arm wrestling competition. They had a bunch of different, many competitions then beat everyone in the arm wrestling competition. They had a bunch of different many competitions then beat everyone in the arm wrestling competition. He was beating that.

I forget the big black dude was like six, five, 275 smoked his ass in arm wrestling. Cause Peter's got stupid ogre strength, right? That's a big deal. I didn't realize how big it was. Especially with train man. I would always, we'd always wrestle at two 15s in high school together.

And he'd always beat me by a point. So sophomore, junior, senior year, I always had to wrestle up to heavyweight because I didn't mind because of football. Football is doing it for football. But yeah, dude was just, he was impossibly strong. As a freshman, I was like his hype man when we were freshmen in high school.

He beat anyone in the school in arm wrestling. So like seniors that were benching 315 for reps, he could just coast and smoke them in arm wrestling. So like this guy's got serious natural ability. Yeah, you know. Yeah, watching him in pro wrestling too, like Daniel, since then, like you were just hanging with him. He's becoming a fucking excellent speaker. Yes. But when he was there, he didn't have the gift of gab at all. Okay, Miz had the gift of gab. So the Miz was runner up

Miz ends up getting the contract stand longer and becomes the Miz. And I felt bad for him. But you know, all these little things are little demarcations in the road of life that lead to better things. And I can tell like that was something that was really appropriate for Daniel to continue to facilitate his growth and ability to communicate with people and become the person he is. facilitate his growth and ability to communicate with people and become the person he is. Yeah, exactly. No, I did. Yeah, things are things are waiting for us that are better

later on down the road. So it's, you know, like, like, again, like, I've done a lot of stuff where it didn't necessarily pan out or work out. But it's like, our losses, right? And I take, you know, take the lesson from them. How can I do better? But I can't dwell on that. I can't live there. You know, that's not good. It's not good for my progression. You know, I can do that, but it's like not healthy. There's no point in that. Yeah. What can I do to better myself? Um, and it, it always does, you know, like, uh, the losses and stuff. I don't like say I wish I didn't lose. No, like I learned so much from that, you know, like the losses and stuff, I don't like, say I wish I didn't lose. No, like I learned so much from that, you know, it got it. It made that that ceiling higher, higher

and higher, right? Where it just adds more fuel to it. So adding that to like everyday life, like knowing that losses are not they're just learned lessons and you get better from them. And you know, they're almost like badges of honor yeah I like the the Jocko Willink talks about that I mean it's not Jocko Willings quote but he talks about it a lot in the way of the warrior kid series super good I think Kane jr. would love it okay but like you know it's there's different things that happen in life like there's a bully who he's got to become friends with and shit and he's

can't do one pull-up can't swim he's got to learn these things. And his uncle Jake, who's a Navy SEAL, you know, comes to stay with him for a summer and help him with all that. But he says you winner you learn, right? And like that, everyone in wrestling and jujitsu not understands that winner you learn, but it it's really true. If you take it that way. You know, like you can learn from a win, but your losses are something you're really going to look at. You're really going to stop, slow down and like check and see like what's going on here. What can I glean from this? And then those losses become great takeaways.

Yeah, yeah, they do. It was a good learning man, you know, from wrestling, like there's so many matches that you have, you know, throughout the year. And it was just like, I see my evolution of like losing, like, you know, I take the loss so seriously, you know, and I almost like shut down, right. But like, over time, you keep doing that over and over again, like, that feeling doesn't, isn't as strong. It's like, you're able to pick yourself up easier, you know easier with those losses and then actually staying away from those losses. So I see that with myself, but I also see that with my kids. I got to have them lose because they're also learning in this game as well. I can't protect them always.

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use code KKP for 15% off. We just took a piss break and Kane's had his first blue piss. Yeah. A little, little methylene blue got Dr. John Lawrence coming on the podcast here from Midas. And, uh, wrote a book on methylene blue and chase Hughes was just on Rogan's talking about methylene blue being the only thing that stopped his seizures. So it's pretty it's pretty rad.

I'm really excited about having Dr. john on and our boy Todd Duffy who's here with us. I got him into the methylene and the god they're called lumentol blue but the Midas and makes a melatonin suppository that's's 200 megs. And he texted me and he's like, dude, I think I'm over doing it. It was like Todd. Yeah. I was like, what are you talking about? Overdoing what? It's like the methylene and the melatonin. I was like, are you fucking throwing in more than one at a time? Like, how do you overdo that? So it was just cracking me up. John's a wizard. So it's going to be super cool getting him in

like really break down the science behind those two compounds because they're they've been known about for a while. But but it's a they're they're special. You know, I think more and more as we figure out what's the right dose, where can we max effort that, you know, in common combinations? Like, how does that look? So I feel fucking great. You feel good? I do. Yeah, I do. Obviously, I'm learning about the more people that I meet in this space, I realize like, I guess they're superpowers, you know, like some people have really like a lot of

knowledge, a lot of like a lot of wisdom to people have like, uh, I guess more like mystical, you know, like they could feel energy. I don't know the more, the more that I talk to people, I see that, I see their strengths in strengths in life, right? Like how, just how their soul like shines, how their soul is strengthened by like different things, like where the strengths are, where the weaknesses are, you know, but I see we all have something very special

that only that individual does very well. You know, I'm like, Oh shit. Okay. Like they're really good at this. So it's just very cool, man. The more, the more that I meet people that, uh, the more that I can spend time with and like share and like, and, and learn from. Yeah. It's like it's God's novelty, you know, it's the golden thread of each of us, the, the power of our namesake as a unique self. Yeah. Yeah. Super

important. So I mean, let's, we're going to talk plant medicines here. When I, when we got there, it was funny because he told my old man this, my dad was still training at the old AK at the time doing jujitsu with Dave Camarillo. And um, he, he was talking to Weetzee and Weetzee was telling him about, you know, sweat lodges and shit like that. And he's like, you know, when, uh, when Kyle's ready, I want you to, I want you to take him through a ceremony if you're willing, excuse me. And, um, which is like, absolutely. I

already thought of it. Absolutely. It'll happen. And they never told me neither one of them told me that. And we were doing sweat lodges. And then at a certain point I asked them like, when are we we gonna use La Medicina? And he just started cracking up and he goes I just been waiting for you to ask you know That first ceremony he goes, you know, you're a dad, you know He tells me that my dad pulled him aside and asked him that and I was like, that's fucking rad, dude I didn't know that. Okay. Um

Yeah, Weetzee was a special dude, you know, and he had his demons like anybody but fucking I credit him with a lot for taking me through this path that ultimately has led to so much growth and happiness and, uh, and led me away from a lot of destructive shit. You know, like the way that I used to live fucking blowing rails like crazy and, you know, chomping, chomping ecstasy, like a pes dispenser and just drinking like a fish and not taking care of myself. You know, and I feel like good medicine leaves you more whole

than when you started. You know, there's no like you're not paying for fun on credit where like the next day you hurt, you know, the next day like you are better, you feel a weight lifted, you know, and those first few journeys with him with Silas Ivan were really cool because he taught me about respect, reverence, setting intention, the importance of set and setting all those things. And from there, it was just like, who can I read? Oh, there's this guy Terrence McKenna, fucking I'll get in all his shit. You know, like just one thing led to another. And eventually to Iowaska, you know, he brought it brought in some friends

of ours and sat with them a dozen times at the reservation. And that was like a whole different thing. You know, it was like concepts that I had only read about, I could see for myself. Like whatever's viewing me with life force and consciousness is in all things. You know, like it's in the trees, it's in the ground, it's in the grass, it's in the fox that's next to me.

Like it truly is emanating everything at the same time. Yeah. You know, and that there's nothing inanimate. There's no dumb animal or dumb rock or dumb thing. That's not full of life force, full of God. Um, and so like those experiences are insane. You know, they're, they're, they're so poppable and so generative, you know, to my quality of life. I really credit it for that. And in the beginning, like most people, wanted to beat the drum, like,

holy shit, this stuff exists. Everybody's gotta take it. This is magic sauce. Nobody knows about it. Nobody's talking about it. And then Aubrey Marcus is probably the only guy talking about it, you know? And over time, you know, I've realized like,

yeah, there's when you're ready for it, when you're called to it, you know? And some people may never be ready for it this lifetime. Totally cool, you know? And some people probably shouldn't do it. And that's totally cool. But I remember getting a call from you a couple years ago, you know, because when you're fighting, I was telling you about it. And I was like, just wait, you know, as after I retired, I was like, just wait, wait till you're

done. Because you may not, you know, I don't want it to say I don't want that to be the reason you quit fighting, you know, especially because you were you, you were fucking one of the greatest of all time. And you're it was funny, because in the beginning, you're like, Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think so. You know, I was like, I was like, when you're ready, I don't you don't need to say shit when you're ready, you know, and then I got a call randomly while I'm in Texas, saying it was like cool voicemail

where you're like, brother, you were right. You know, I sat with I sat with the toad and and and really broke that down and just warmed my fucking soul up hearing that because I was like oh man that's the best I love hearing that experience love hearing that you saw me and Weetzee and just how impactful that was and perfect timing talk about those experiences and how that's opened different doors for you brother brother? Well, I go back to Weetzee, you know, Weetzee Mata. I trained with him for quite a bit. And as far as a trainer, I see how just a big heart that he had, you know,

and but he also carried this sacred knowledge, you know, with him that for me, he was trying to share, but I just wasn't open to it. I wasn't ready for it. You know, I was trying to share, but I just wasn't open to it. I wasn't ready for it. You know, I was still living in, uh, you know, the, uh, the sports side of it, uh, the war side of it. Um, I, I did go do a, uh, uh, a sweat lodge with them once. Um, we drove in your brand new Raptor and I thought we were going to die cause you were fucking high tailing it on like a single single lane dirt road getting sideways. I was like butthole puckered grabbing my seat.

But with that I didn't just I mean I got like a little appreciation from it and I get like I'm just I'm figuring out myself you know and I would say the most work that I've ever done was was through was done was through martial arts. I never really drank, never did anything else, other than just train. So I see that Ouija was trying to open me up to something. I just wasn't open yet for myself with it. Then one year I lost both my mom and my brother

right in the same year. My brother's death was super hard, super tragic, very hard. I was there and my ex was there watching him go, exchange from this life to the next. But it was a very, very traumatic man. And I remember getting home that night after he passes away and I was like thinking about what had just happened, laying down and I didn't care at that moment anymore.

Like I let go. So like, I just remember like leaving this, you know, there was like nothing. There's nothing anchored me here, you know, and I've never experienced that. But at that moment, I was like, I don't really give a shit. Like, I'm gonna leave right now. So I left everything like, I left this. I left the bar.

I left the world for a moment, you know? So that changed something in me to understand him more, to understand myself more. So I did a lot of healing with that. And it turned out to be a year, the year to the day, a friend of mine, um, Gabriel Carrasco, so he, he went and said, sat in with, uh, with the people with the Indian Canyon, right. And did the, the Saturday, I, uh, the Sunday tone and he's like, you gotta go do this. Okay.

And he explained like what it was and everything. And I'm like, Oh, I don't think I need to do it because the way you explain it, like I see that. Okay. I understand. I got that. Yeah. Yeah.

So, so, um, but he's like, we're doing, he's like, it's going to happen this weekend. And it was the anniversary of my brother's death. I'm like, cool. That's all I need. Okay. Like it's making sense for me, you know, so I didn't do any research or anything. I just went in, you know, and first day sat with the ayahuasca and one of the facilitators was like,

he's like, I'm gonna give you one cup. But if it was me asking, if somebody was asking me, I would take two. And let's just start off. Okay. Yes. You know, and as soon as I felt the medicine, man, I was like, as soon as I thought I was got the medicine, I was like, I know you more than I know myself. You know, like I know you. I'm with you. Everything that you are about. That's like I see you and that's where I am. So I had.

For hours, I was laughing, like nonstop laughter. I didn't stop. And I was laughing so much I was fucking just crying of how beautiful life is, of how divinely orchestrated it is. It is perfect. And it's molding me always.

It's always molding me, but it's, it's molding me for a reason. So I just put my trust in it all. Like you are doing exactly like you are perfect. This is all perfect. You are perfect. Like everything is perfectly like where it has to be and go into where it has to be. Whether, you know, we take side roads or we take,

you know, we go backwards, like whatever, like, but it's all for something greater, right? And that's what I got, like, I remember my stomach being sick a little bit, you know, like maybe the medicine tell me I have to go being sick a little bit, you know, like, um, maybe the medicine tell me how to go purge a little bit, but I was like, no, no, you want me to throw you up? Like, no way.

Like, never, you know, like, like you better get me sick. Cause I'm not going to do that. Right. But I just remember just laughing at how beautiful everything is. Everyone in my life, everyone that I've ever met, that they all did their job perfectly. And we're all on the same road. And all the lessons that life has taught me

has taught teaching me for a beautiful reason, you know, and I wouldn't change the past for anything, because it brought me to where I am today, you know. Yeah, and it was just funny, like, I didn't know if that was normal, like my the way that I had my first experience, right? Like, if it was just me, or if that was just normal, like that's my first experience, right? Like if it was just me or if that was just normal, like that's what everybody did, right? But I could hear there's a woman there and I could just hear like the max pain level

that she was going through and crying, you know? For whatever she had to go through, but I could just, I could feel it and hear it and, dude, I just couldn't stop laughing. Like, like, like, like, like, it's not serious, you know, it's, it's just beautiful. Like it is what it is. Like, but this isn't like, this isn't the end game. This is not me. You know, my soul, my consciousness is forever. Like this is not, this is just for this plane here. And I love it, I appreciate it, and I'll take care of it

because it's getting me to places that I wanna go. Fucking beautiful avatar. Yes, yes, but this is like, don't take things personal because this is not me. Like it's me, I'm here, I'm here. So it'd be really just like, hey, don't take things personal, you know? Love everybody, because everybody's on their own journey.

You know? Getting to where they gotta go. And that everyone's showing you something, and everyone is teaching you something. You know? Whether you don't like them, just like whatever. like, but I see the end game in everybody. Like I see the potential in everybody, you know, and I see the hurt in everybody and I understand it.

I have compassion for it and all that. But again, we're all in the same road to go into the same place. Yeah. What does Ram Dass say? We're all, we're all walking each other home. Yes. Yeah. So I felt all that, man. It was just like either I remembered a lot of stuff

or just a lot of stuff in me just opened up and it was a lot of understanding. It was a lot. Like a lot of information came in. I just felt like unlocked in some way. I was open to a lot of things and it was just like a lot of information just came in so I had to like do a lot of integration work, you know, I was like flooded with a lot of things, a lot of great things. Yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful. Thank you. Yeah.

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But like, you know, some people haven't had that experience in a long time. You take laughs for granted. I've been, I've been emotionally constipated where I haven't been able to cry for like a year. and then I go in there and it's the fucking floodgates and I can feel all the backup just emptying out you know, another purge. Yeah. So getting that stuff to move is is I think one of the key attributes of I that's different from a lot of other medicines is that it assists us in moving all that moving the emotion moving what we're carrying and seeing it differently Yeah, I realized more of how The trauma that we have we may store in our body, you know, and and and it like one of the things I mean like other than like the many things that it taught me was

Whatever emotion you you bring in or you take in instead of holding on to it, release it. So if there's a moment where you're watching something and you feel like crying, let it out. Something makes you sad or cry or beautiful, let it out. You're storing all that shit in your body that's later on gonna do something, whatever. It's gonna manifest as something physical that's not that's not positive right so you get angry like release it you know in some

way in some in some positive some some way that's that's positive for you but don't hold on to things you know the body like doesn't need to like so that really taught me that and I see that in my kids now where I don't tell them like, no, no, don't cry. Don't cry. You know, like, no, like I like you're getting it out like good. I know it hurts and I'm sorry, you know, but like, I love you. I'm here for you. And I, you know, give them a hug. But like, I let them, you know, cry. I let them lie, like whatever, like I let that emotion come in and I, I, I see them that they're doing well and like releasing it right away. Yeah. Yeah. That's built in for them.

We just kind of fuck it up if we're not mindful, right? Yeah. They know how to, they know how to release the one thing that bear bear. It's funny. Cause like, there's a great book called, it didn't start with you by Mark Wolin. And it talks a lot about epigenetic lineages, like how we hold like our parents trauma at least three generations back, but up to seven. Yeah. And, um, you know, like whatever the quote is from the Bible, the sins of our fathers, right? Like if I don't take care of this shit, they're going to have to, yes. You know,

so like there's a big responsibility in that for me, but also having bear was like, I remember his, his like anger as a little kid. And I'm thinking like, nothing bad has happened to you. Why do you got anger like that? It's crazy. You know? And then I read the book and I was like, Oh shit, you got my stuff. You got my dad's, you got my mom's, you got mom's stuff hurt. You know, people even like family that you don't even know. Like, I don't even know what happened at that moment, but it's don't even know. Like, I don't even know what happened at that moment. But it's all you have it. Okay, I don't know what that is. But

yeah, yeah. Yeah, I just remember to teach them like, hey, don't direct that at mom. She's not the reason you're upset. But let it out. Absolutely let it out. Cry, scream. You know, I was at we were tossing in the backyard. She's got these big trees that I put up to make for a little kids playground. And in the back of my truck, it's got that little camper shell. And I shut the damn thing on my head, right after I shaved my head, the corner,

and it just ripped through. And I remember going, oh, and just yelled and punched the back of the metal. And I was like, then I looked around, I was like, I'm sorry for punching that, that might've been overboard. And then I really think, now I had to chew on this, right? I was like, hey man, I'm 43.

Was that me being my dad or was that the right thing to do? And it didn't come to me till I was laying in bed and I was like, oh, I released. I didn't hurt anybody. I also made sure they were okay and then I wasn't upset. And it actually felt good because I didn't hold that anger. I was fucking heated that I hurt myself that bad. Like it put a gash to the bone. It was nasty. You know, what do you think about that? And like

back of my truck still works fine. You know, but that was, that was like, I had to weigh that, you know, even with whether or not I know, like we're always going to, I'm always going to bump into shit and make mistakes and hopefully continue to learn from it. But it felt like I got to move that, the pain and the anger of that, because it hurt so bad. You know, it was like, oh, cool. All right, you know, maybe not punch the thing next time, but yell is fine.

Like fucking just move it. You don't hold it. Yeah. The more that I've like, the more that I dive deeper within myself, I realize, yes, like, okay, there's something that's been brought in with me, whether I brought it in from we were talking about before, like past lives, but

also a generational family, like, okay, I want to clear it. Right? I don't want to pass this on. You know, now that I realized, like what that all is, I need to clear it, you know, all the negative stuff, you know, all the things that were taught to us that were that put that glass ceiling way, way shorter than what we thought, you know, put it in this box, right? Whether it's like the media, you know, they make you feel like you're not complete, right? And that's all generational stuff that I'm like, okay, I need to clear it out. Like, I don't know when we get into purposes. I don't know if that's that's what it is. But I see that and I'm trying to transmute that. And I believe I have with a lot of things.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So a year after, maybe two years after, we're here on the land now, before this house was built, I was out here and we were getting ready to sit with the medicine and I got a bunch of texts from my boys at Arizona State, guys that I knew growing up, Bhop, tons of buddies, and they were sending me like articles from ESPN and different headlines.

I was like, what the, I read one and I was like, what the fuck is this? This can't be true. So I called Bob what, I read one and I was like, what the fuck is this? This can't be true. So I called Bob Cook, you know, and it says, you know, ex heavyweight champion, Cain Velasquez is in jail for whatever, for shooting somebody or whatever the hell they said it was. And I was like, holy Bob, is this real?

You know, he answers the phone and he's like, yeah, and he kind of gives me the background because they didn't really say like what led to that. Um, I don't know how much you're able to talk about this because of court and things of that nature, but I'd love for you to share, you know, your experience with the, you know, the initial assault and handling it the way that you guys did into what led you into chasing and, and the things that you're gleaning from that now.

Yeah. Well, um, from what I can say, as far as myself, the way that I handle things when I was not the way to do it, you know, we cannot, uh, put the law in our own hands. So I'm awaiting trial March 24th. Or sorry, I've already pleaded guilty, so I'm going to get a sentencing March 24th. And I know what I did. And I know what I did was very dangerous to other people, you know, not just

to people involved like but but to just innocent people so I understand what I did and I'm willing to you know, do everything I have to to To pay back that yeah, right so whatever The court feels Correct for for for what I have to do. I'm going to do it with both my head up and still be me and not play the blame game. It was me that did that and reacted in that way. What I can say about that sort of thing about molestation or anything else like that is we got to speak

to our kids. You know, I know we're like, we don't want to bring that in at our kids to a young age, but we have to be open and honest. You know, number one is to be open and honest about what's appropriate and what is not, you know, especially if you're, you know, have obviously school or like daycare or anything else like that, you know, what's appropriate babysitters, any of it, what is not, you know, uh, and if, again, it's just whatever the child feels comfortable and, um, always listening to them, you know, not, um, well, no, like, like they didn't say this correctly.

So I don't think it's that, like, always having, always letting your children have that open field to communicate with you in whatever way they want to, right? And taking what they say. But it's just, I guess just building that trust, man. So we always did, me and Michelle always did that. So that's always been very good, you know? Like I always had that open communication

and then talk to them about that. So I know this is the ongoing thing and the more that I go into this is like something that's really deep rooted in, not just here, but everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere, you know? It's, you know, it's having someone mess with the child

that obviously has been done to them in the past, you know? So you're again, you're passing on that trauma over and over again. And not just to your family members, but you're passing it on to whoever, you know, especially as a young child. So, um, it's very manipulative, you know, and being that young, like they really can't, it's harder, we go everything by like speaking, you know, so then they have to say the kids at that age, especially if they like testify or anything else like

that, like they have to say the correct wording, right? That us, um, that, that, that us adults understand versus them in their own language of, of how they, uh, express themselves. Right. So it kind of gets in. I see why predators go after people like that, you know, kids like that. Um, so what I did was not correct. I understand that and I paid and I'll pay whatever else, like as far as what I have to do, you know, to, to, to pay all that back. Uh, I don't think I can pay my pay it back, but I can always, you know,

learn from my mistakes and then help others. And it's just information, you know, that you never know anybody, like, trust your kids, have the open communication with your kids. You know, when you do go to the bathroom with them, with the very young, like, you know, you can, you know, you can work your way in there as far as like talking to them, like what's appropriate and what is not, right? So they know to tell you and they can always come tell you

whenever something's like, is not correct. Yeah. You know, so as far as that goes, it's basically that, you know? And again, the more, I think the more we get really just consciously aware of ourselves like The more that light shines on on dark things, especially something like that, right? Yeah, you definitely see more and more information coming out about it in the last several years last five ten years

Yeah. Yeah, so Again for me Again, for me, I can't be stuck at any place. So even with that family and what they've done, I can't have hate like that for them because there's things that I have to move on to and give good love to my kids and good love to the people around that. I gotta share this with everybody, right? So I can't give hate to them at all. I wish them healing, you know, in the best way,

whatever that is, I wish that for them. I understand that they have traumas as well. Not right to spread it. No, you know, I'm glad like then themselves have have stopped, you know, because they can't practice necessarily anymore as far as being like a daycare. But um, I've you know, with my own time, I've, you know, forgiven my own time, I've forgiven them and everything else. And I know that my kids are great. Like, again, everything's divinely orchestrated. So like my kids are amazing, you know.

My son is amazing. He's one of the strongest, funniest, best kids that I know. He's my best friend. So I'm proud of him for who he is. This will not define him. He's met for greater. And my daughter as well. So they're both made for great things. And I'm just like, I'm so blessed to live this life with you.

You know, like you help me, I help you. It's not like I'm teaching you like, no, no, no, you're teaching me as well. I'm like, and I'm just fucking loving that I get to be with you at this moment. Like, this sacred, the most sacred, to be just with another version of yourself, you know? Like, so just to be, we live your own childhood, you know?

Do better than what, not that I, I mean, some people had, I feel like people had harder than others with their parents and everything else and all that, but I feel like it's always getting better as long as we make a conscious effort to do that. And I love that I get to see the excitement that I had as a child. Like now I get to see it through their eyes.

Like I just say, I observe and like a child, like now I get to see it through their eyes. Like I just say, observe and like, oh, like, yeah, that's what it is. You know? So, yes. Yeah, brother. Yeah. You're in, I mean talking to you before he came out like it, you're in a great spot. And obviously, you know, like our boy Todd, you know, he's a

worrywart. And obviously, every every one of your boys wants the best for you. Nobody wants to see. Yeah. You know, you go away for a long time or for even a short time. Yeah, you know, the thing that when I did when I dropped in that day, the day I found out that was a long day of medicine with what Chuma. And like I've just sat for 16 hours processing that, you know, like, what would I have done? And there was so much like there you talk to anybody, I know you've heard this a million times. Most dads agree. You know, like, I don't

know that I would have done it differently. And you hold the opposite of that is like, what's the most important thing? If we can't protect our kids is to still be there for them. You know? And for me, it was just really hard knowing that who you are as a person, what kind of father you are.

I don't want to see your kids go without that, you know, not for a minute. But I also trust in the plan and I trust that no matter how long you're away, if you are away, that that too, you know, the moment you're back, you're gonna be the better, best version of yourself for them. You're still gonna have the fucking biggest impact on them. I'll always be there and nothing's gonna defeat me, you know, in that sense, you know. I'm always gonna know who I am, live through that no matter what my exterior look like, what my surrounding looks like, you know, I know where I come from, I know who I am inside, it doesn't matter what the exterior looks like, I have to be me, you know, and I'm gonna keep doing that.

So no, thank you for that, you know, and I'm going to keep doing that. So, no, thank you for that, you know, thank you for that. And I understand it, but I also understand there's consequences and all that and I'm in a position to be here and, you know, to do the best I can and also to pay back whatever, you know, the court feels correct. And, and again, take that with, with, uh, with my head up high. Yeah. Yeah, brother. Yeah.

Beautiful. Well, we'll do this again. I'm not sure when, but we will do this again and we'll get to sit and hang and not rush through the two days. Uh, you're going to teach jujitsu tonight at the kids Academy at Gracie. They're fucking super stoked with Todd tomorrow you got a podcast with our boy Tim Kennedy. And then you'll teach the the veterans at heroes jujitsu at his school. So super pumped for that. And then

we'll get you out to the airport. But next time I want to spend it. We'll spend some good time. We'll spend some good time together for sure. I love that. Thank you, brother. I love you. Thank you, brother. I love you.