Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #399 Unlocking New Health Paradigms w/ Dr. John Lieurance

Episode Date: March 29, 2025

In this episode, we dive deep with Dr. John Lieurance, a pioneer in health innovations and founder of mitozen.com. We explore his groundbreaking work with methylene blue and melatonin, detailing their benefits beyond traditional uses. Dr. John shares his personal health struggles, highlighting his journey to discovering powerful therapies for conditions like mold toxicity, Lyme disease, and traumatic brain injuries. We also discuss the significance of parasympathetic nervous system activation and the role of melatonin in overall health. Additionally, Dr. John introduces his advanced clinic in Sarasota, Florida, and innovative treatments using regenerative medicine and stem cell therapy. Tune in to learn about cutting-edge health practices and why supplements like methylene blue and high-dose melatonin could revolutionize your well-being.   Connect with Dr. John here: Instagram Mitozen All Books Discover More   Our Sponsors: With Happy Hippo, you're getting a product that's been sterilized of pathogens, tested for impurities and heavy metals, and sold with a guarantee. Go to happyhippo.com/kkp and use Code KKP for 15% off the entire store If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM. Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU10 to claim your 10% discount. Ready to elevate your health? Visit OneEarthHealth.com and use code: KKP at checkout for 10% off, or find us on Amazon. Remember, with One Earth Health, it's not just a supplement, it's a lifestyle. Tune in to nature, tune in to health. One Earth Health - Pure, Potent, Perfect." This Spring Fast Growing Trees have the best deals, for your yard, up to half off on select plants and other deals. And listeners to our show get FIFTEEN PERCENT OFF their first purchase when using the code KKP at checkout.  http://fastgrowingtrees.com/kkp   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site   If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome back to the podcast. Today's guest is Dr. John Lurance. Dr. John is somebody I've been following for a long time. He started the company Midazen.com. He's also an author of a couple of books and runs a practice out in Sarasota, Florida, where they're doing cutting edge shit all the time. stacks and working with different medicines and different technologies that are on the cutting edge on the cutting edge for mold toxicity, Lyme disease, TBI and brain issues, all kinds of cool stuff. And I just love what this guy's about. One of his books that first got me into him was his book on methylene blue. And John is an expert on methylene blue is one of the reasons I wanted to have him on this podcast. He also wrote a thicker book on melatonin, which is a fantastic book that deep dives all of the potential ways to utilize

melatonin and how it is much more than just a sleep hormone in the brain. So we dove into John's life in the podcast. As you know, I always like getting to hear backstory on what life was like for people growing up and what shaped them and who they are today. We dive into Methylene Blue and melatonin and much more. And we do leave a little room. It's a shorter podcast. Dr. John's going to be out here in Austin, I think in May for Dave Asprey's event. So we will get a face-to-face podcast and deep dive everything that he's got going on in his clinic. So if you ever want to visit him, if you know people with serious health conditions, John is one of the few that potentially can work with them and get them right on track.

All right, share this podcast far and wide. Leave us a five-star rating with one or two ways the show's helped you out in life and support our sponsors. And without further ado, Dr. John Lawrence. Dr. John Lawrence, welcome to the podcast. Yeah, Kyle, it's fantastic to be here. I'm excited.

I'm super excited as well. We were just chatting before the show. You know, I'd first heard of your work through Luke story, who's a good buddy of mine. I think he also turned me on to Midocin.com, which is like the, you know, we'll get into that. But one of the one of my favorite supplement companies don't demand. When I was developing supplements that on it, I remember telling the staff there if we really want to if we really want to home run products, we should be making

some suppositories. And I mean, I was laughed out of the room. But I was like, somebody is going to do this one day. And you're going to have supplements like nothing else because they're gonna surpass the GI and it's just gonna go straight in to the bloodstream. So really, really cool to see that. And I wanna talk about that. But first, I'd love to hear,

what was your life like growing up? What were your interests? What got you into the education and kind of drove you into becoming the person that you are today? Well, I like to I like to use the term pain to purpose. And a good buddy of mine, who you may also know, Dan Pampa, you know, I first heard that term from him. And, you know, he and I kind of share a similar background as far as getting really sick with with Lyme disease and mold illness and then trying to, you know, he and I kind of share a similar background as far as getting really sick with

Lyme disease and mold illness and then trying to, you know, kind of clear out the biotoxins from the body. But that was more in my adult life. But certainly that kind of was a catapult into understanding health a lot more and developing the company and the products and so forth. But you're asking me more like way back, like when you're young. All right. So, well, my dad was a Marine and I was born in Camp Lejeune. If anybody's been watching TV, they see the attorneys advertising for people that lived

in Camp Lejeune back in, I think it's like in the 70s to sometime in the 80s. I was in utero in my first two years of life with this water. And it was the biggest water contamination catastrophe in US history. And the government basically has kind of given billions of dollars out to a lot of the family and service individuals that worked on that base. And they even had like a graveyard where they would have babies

because so many babies were born, you know, dead. And so they didn't really know what was going on, but it just seemed like there was some sort of a curse. And then they found out, had the water tested. And then, you know, the problem was that they were, it's like sand in uh, in that, in that fort or that, um, that base there, it's just very porous. And so whatever they were using to like clean the tanks and, uh, all these

different chemicals that they were using and experimenting with, uh, was just going right through the sediment right into the drinking water. And so my dad has cancer. was just going right through the sediment, right into the drinking water. So my dad has cancer. We're pretty sure that it's from that. But the good news is, as far as my dad's concerned, is it's a very slow progressing leukemia. So he's likely going to live his full life without any problems with treatment with that. But then I look at my mom and my mom, she's always had a lot of arthritis and her hands

are just very disfigured from the arthritis and arthritis in various other parts of her body. I've always been really sensitive. My sister's got some health issues. And so, you know, it's hard not to think that that played some role in that. And so when my family relocated to Hawaii, when I was about five years old, after a couple of years of school in Hawaii, I just started to misbehave, you know, and I had these tantrums. I couldn't read. I couldn't really understand a lot of the

you know, the teachings. And so I got kicked out of several schools until I got placed into what would basically be like a handicapped and mentally retarded group of kids that I was with. And they didn't have like a middle ground in Hawaii. In that education system, you were either all in or all out. And so because I was acting out so much and my grades were so poor, they just didn't know what to do with me. grades were so poor, they just didn't know what to do with me. And so I was in that class for three years until I was put into private schools.

And so I looked back at that and that was, it was very difficult for me not to believe that I was somehow broken or stupid. And so, you know, it was so challenging to dig out of that hole, you know. I remember when I got into high school, I got into a lot of drugs, smoked a lot of marijuana, and, you know, for a while just really struggled. And then finally, for a while just really struggled and then finally I got inspired to go to chiropractic school and although I didn't believe I could do it because I still had this kind of belief system installed that I couldn't make it, you know, and so but I just had this drive to just go for it, even if I was going to fail. I didn't get great grades in school. Honestly, when I got out of chiropractic school, I was concerned whether I could make it out

as a chiropractor from a business standpoint and just everything because going out into the world and becoming a physician, that's really where an individual needs to really step into, at least from my perspective, into some level of an individual that can really help people and serve people. Like I said, from coming from that point of being, you know, I was picked up by the short bus, you know, and this is years as a child. So, you know, I think that what that did is it installed in me this idea that I was somehow not smart and broken. And because I had that, I was gonna prove the world wrong, right?

So I, some people, you know, it's a fork in the road. There's some people when they hit obstacles in their life, you know, they're gonna shut down, they're gonna get depressed, you know, they're gonna, you know, feel like they failed. And other people, it's gonna be a catalyst where they're gonna, you know, stand up, you know, pull those bootstraps up and, and try a little harder, you know, and accept some failures, you know, and, and that's kind of been how I operate, you know, and I tend to do really well when it's, you know, more stressful situations. And that that was definitely a huge pain to purpose is getting out of those those those classes.

And, you know, I, I can't, you know, I hear people sometimes say, you know, you're, you're, you're a wizard, you know, it's like, I, I've been practicing for 30 years, right. And so I've been at it for a long time. And after about, I want to say, 16 or 17 years of practicing, I started to formulate and develop mitosin. And you know, after when you've been involved in in supplements and nutrients and working with patients, you start to get a real good flavor for what works and doesn't work. And on top of that, something that, you know,

a lot of people don't know about me, but they realize this when they come into our clinic is because there's paintings literally all over the clinic. And there's one behind me here, Carl. Can you see that? Yeah, it's incredible. So this is called an open heart. And so you see like a heart and this, you know, sea life is just kind of swimming out from it. And it's kind of a bit like Dolly, right? It's like kind of a little bit of surrealism,

but kind of a play on reality. And, you know, a lot of my paintings are kind of like that. And some are more, you know, kind of underwater because growing up in Hawaii, there's a lot of that influences in them. But, you know, I do feel that that using, you know, both sides of your brain is really important. And I think that I was lucky to have both sides develop really well. And for anybody that is a healthcare provider or a physician or I think anywhere in life, like doing things to support both parts of their brain, which is mathematical analytics versus like art and music

and dance and things like that, which really helped to activate the other side of your brain and having that, because it's creativity, you know, if we can be creative. Like I was watching an interview with Elon Musk last night, and he was taking somebody through, you know, one of the, it was right before one of the launches, and they were going into this huge hangar. And Elon just was so clear as to like this rocket versus that rocket. And this is what worked and this is what we're working on to try and figure out what doesn't

work. And I just sat there just in awe because he's got, you know, not only is he working for the government right now and doing this Doge thing, but like to just keep all these things clear in his head. And I just know that he's the guy that steps up with all of the scientists and he's asking questions, right? And he's trying to get people to think out of the box because the rockets and the way that they're making rockets now are completely different than the way

that they first started and they continue to change. And he expects that. And he says, you know, his comment about technology, he says the way that technology works is that you kind of have like this rough picture of, you know, as you, you work with it. So, so yeah, so that's, that's the, the, the quick and dirty history of John Larratt. I love that. That's beautiful. And so that, that open heart painting is yours behind you? Yeah. Yeah. It's beautiful, brother. It's beautiful. I've been, I've been painting, Paul Cech actually got my wife and I, my wife was always an artist, but he got me into painting. And so we've

been painting more. We do at least one mandala each year. So we're just getting started on that for this year. We were sitting down with the kids yesterday painting and it really is, it's odd to me, you know, cause I didn't grow up as an artist, but it's odd to me how profound and special it is. And it's purely meditative. Like I just drop into a different state. You know, I think that's another thing for the type A personalities and the go-getters who have all this list of shit to get done.

By stepping into that other side of the brain, it's freeing to the whole system. It's like now when I go to do all the responsibility stuff and intellectual stuff, I feel better because I've spent time in my artist side and spent time, you know, in my creative side. All right, guys, quick break to tell you about one earth health use code KKP for 10% off want to upgrade your health. Then check out one Earth health beef organ supplements. First up, our beef organ supplement, nature's very

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Remember with One Earth Health, it's not just a supplement, it's a lifestyle. Tune into nature, tune into health, one earth health, pure, potent, perfect. You know, the brain wants to be balanced and that balance creates stability to everything from the autonomic nervous system to figuring out problems, you know, and the way that you see the world, you know, you'd see the world in a different way when you have a strong right brain going versus if you're balanced. So you're only doing work that's analytical, which I'd say probably more often than not, men are probably going to be more stuck in that left brain where women may be in the opposite. But of of course we have a lot of masculine women, not to say that they're, you know, masculine in the sense that would be a negative or it's

more like an alpha, right? A lot of women have to be kind of taking care of things with kids and they become overly, overly masculinated, which then can be a problem in the relationship. Anyway, yeah, so go out there and get some paint and paint something, you know. I'd love to see some of your work. Oh, absolutely. Well, I got one here. Let me see if I can grab one.

This is a model I did a year ago. So as you see, you just, you know, for people listening, draw a circle with a compass and then paint the interior. So I've got a few things, uh, as you might notice, I got the Vesca Pisces in the middle here, balance, obviously. Um, and I've gotten in the four directions here, a crescent moon, pot of gold for the summer harvest, the shedding of the snake skin in the fall, and then the red stag. We actually have red stag on our land here. So that has the horns, the connection, a great spirit in the north. And just a reminder, you know, seasonally to live in harmony with the seasons, to follow the cycles of the moon,

you know, to follow the cycles of the year, to appreciate the harvest that happens, you know, not just, you know, in the summer itself, but just the harvest of life. So I love that you paint, you know, you're painting something that has meaning. And I started, I started kind of painting more spiritual pieces. And there's one piece that I painted where it's,

it's like above and below. And when you go above, you go into the stars and I painted a pineal gland. And next to one side of the pineal is the molecule melatonin. And on the other side is DMT, right? Because they're so closely related, right? And then there's eyes kind of floating in front of a sunset, and you can see the rays of the sun coming through the eyes. And then the suprachiasmmic nucleus is represented going up into the pineal. And then going under the sea, there's actually like this volcanic eruption of like, you know, Mother Gaia energy coming up, kind of representing that balance throughout the chakra

system in the body and the value of that circadian rhythm and the light and the photobiomod modulation that the light does to activate the production of melatonin, which then also can assist in this DMT, which, you know, we're, have you seen, have you seen the stuff with the, the laser? No, the telepathy tapes. Now, you know what, I just got those queued up. I have not. I have not listened to a single one yet, but I got them queued up and I've heard a lot of people talking about it.

Explain, please explain because I haven't listened to them yet and I know a lot of people are talking about it. Yeah, so I kind of dived into it just recently and basically these, I did a little bit of research with autistic kids and DMT and had read some research that was suggesting that these autistic kids were having high levels of DMT that were converting from melatonin. The idea was that supplementing melatonin with these kids could be really helpful. I think I might have actually put that in my book. But so then, you know, something pops up on

YouTube and watching YouTube, and they start talking about these kids that are that developing all these amazing skills. And one of them is telepathy. The other one is like figuring out math. But these are kids that are nonverbal, right? So these kids are nonverbal, right? So these kids are nonverbal and they're autistic. So it's kind of a subset within the autistic community. And they found that when they have them point to certain letters and they spell out, you know, that's that way of communicating, although it's a little slower, these kids have this above average intelligence.

And the parents, what was really shocking with the parents talk about the story about their kid, and then like the kid might be seven or eight or ten years old, and they get involved in this program, and they start spelling, and the parents just cannot believe how intelligent their child was because they'd had no way to communicate. And then these kids would be communicating that they've been wanting to communicate but they felt like they've been treated like they're stupid and that they couldn't understand certain things

where they totally could. And so the kids can actually communicate non-verbally through telepathy. And I do believe that this is something that all of us have the ability. We have the hardware to do it and it's just the software doesn't get updated, right? And I know there's a tribe in Australia. I read a book and I'm not, you know, I have to remember the name of it, but in this book, it was a tribe

and it was a reporter that went out there. And the tribe was basically using telepathy like we use a cell phone. You know, somebody would be hiking way out in front and they would, through telepathy, tell the one in the back saying, hey, you know, there's some animals coming, you know, get off the path. And the reporter was like, well, wait a minute, why are we doing this? Well, the person up there just told me to get off the path and she just couldn't believe

it. It was just mind blowing. But I think that, you know, obviously, extraterrestrial life is something that is controversial. I'm kind of in the camp, but I believe that, you know, we're not alone and that we've been visited quite a bit. And I know that stories that I've heard of people that have had encounters with extraterrestrials, they would basically all their questions are answered within an instant, right? It's like the communication is so quick and rapid. One thing with regards to these kids that was really fascinating

is there's a place that's a non-physical place that they all will meet up when they're sleeping, and they call it the hill. And so it's this location that, again, it's non-physical. And so you would say it would be in the quantum, right? It would be the divine or the field, the morphogenic field, what everything is being created from is emanating this 3D world. And so these kids are meeting and not only are they meeting there,

but there's isolated children that they have found that knew about this term and they use the same term, the hill. It's like, how would they know that? It's just, it's hard not to believe it. There's definitely some people out there that are naysayers, but if you watch enough of this, I think you can go on YouTube and check it out. It's kind of it kind of mind-blowing

Yeah, I think there's always going to be skeptics, but I mean I you know they just showed this thing You've probably seen it, but if people haven't seen it yet you can go on Instagram or YouTube or anywhere But they I think it was yesterday or two days ago where they showed that Through lidar they recently discovered how deep underneath the second pyramid goes. Oh, yeah. They have 30 feet wide columns that go down 2,500 feet in the ground and that there's coils that wrap around each one in a whole invisible, you know, giant rooms that exist down there. Yeah.

One of the guys postulated, you know, that Thoth, Hermes Trimist Augustus has said that that's where he took and brought forth all of the knowledge of Atlantis to hold it in the creation of Egypt. Brilliant, brilliant shit. So I'm into that for sure. I don't know about you. I was like, dude. How, where are you at as far as like,

okay, is this real or is this not real? Oh, I think it's real. I just don't I want more, you know, like, I feel like we've been given just a bite. You know, it's like going to a buffet, and there's a bite of this and there's a bite of that. And it's like, I give me the fucking net, give me the meal, baby. I want the whole meal right now, you know, but I've read, you know, Dolores Cannon's work, there's too much there. Dolores Cannon's work. She's not making this shit up. Like when you when you talk about that, about that and that's reproducible as well. Many people have come since Dolores Cannon and use her hypnosis type and keep coming into the same things where they're getting to the high

consciousness, the self or the soul of somebody. And there's past life regression, but there's also these interdimensional beings that keep coming up. Anybody who's, you know, spent enough time with DMT or ayahuasca also knows like, that's not, that's not make believe, like, when you come into the other consciousness, like Dawkins would say, you took a chemical, that chemical made you believe that something else came through. But I know me, you know, and when I'm interacting with something that's clearly not me,

and it's got information that I want, and it's giving me that information, or not, right? Like, I can tell that I'm talking to someone else. Sure, we're all one, you know, like, and maybe there's no differentiation, but in the in the game of, of us as fractal pieces of the infinite, like, I can tell when I'm talking to somebody or something, that's a different intelligence. And that that's been so clear to me through my own, you know, work with psychedelics. It just makes sense. Like I like chewing on this stuff. And I just want I want more and more of it. You know, I would love to dive in to really understand you

they were showing one of the videos showed to table con next to a motherboard, like a chip microprocessor. And how like from the air they look identical right and then they do a whole series of different pyramids and places that are set up exactly like motherboards you know like this could potentially be giant you know energy creating places or places for us to astral travel from yeah you know much more than we're told. All right y'all quick break to tell you about happyhippo.com slash KKP. Enter code KKP for 15% off everything in the store.

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Go to happyhippo.com slash KKP and use code KKP for 15% off the entire store. I've had friends that I've gone into. I don't know if it's the middle pyramid, but, um, they've gone right in, you know, into the middle of the pyramid and, you know, um, pyro fire and in mid, you know, fire within. So this idea that the energy, the gravitational fields are somehow magnified or amplified within the pyramidal structure. There's really interesting in Russia,

they build a lot of pyramids and they've done a lot of research on produce, not rotting within that, right? And just crazy, crazy stuff. It makes me want to go build a pyramid really, 100% well, I saw there was a cool documentary, I'll try to think of it. But they were talking about, I think they went to it was either Serbia or somewhere where they found these these newer pyramids that they hadn't previously gone into. And

they realized like underneath the ground, they connected all of them connected and that they were set up you know mathematically in the same way similar to the pyramids of Egypt and they you know followed a certain star system and there was some really cool stuff in that but he talked about the Russians and the pyramids in that and you know he at the end of it he was talking about regenerative agriculture and permaculture and a lot of the stuff that I get to do here in Texas now. Um, but yeah, seeing the pyramid, you know, it's just like, I would, I would happily

build a pyramid and grow shit just to see what's going to happen. You know, like, let's run the test. We have a market garden. We've got a 400 fruit and nut tree food forest, and we've got a bunch of land regeneration happening with our animals. Like let's run some experiments, you know? Yeah, yeah. I think we should. Yeah, I've got a buddy, Emery Smith.

He's the host of Cosmic Disclosure, which is like the most, you know, I think it's the most popular show on Gaia television. And he he's one of those individuals that have a lot of conversations regarding extraterrestrials and spacecrafts and so forth. And he has one of these pyramids over his bed and it's like wrapped in copper. It's like he's got copper wrapped and there's a bunch of different crystals on it. And man, it's pretty cool. And you go in there and you do kind of feel a little bit blissed out when you're, when you're in there.

That's rad. I'd be nervous about sleeping under that thing, but I've done, you know, just from some of the journeys I've had, you know, it's nice to know that sleep is a comfortable, a comfortable whisper from the psyche, not like a full on experience for me. You know? Yeah. Well, let's start. I mean, so so you had a number of things happen to you from early on, obviously, you know, I'm sure. As we rabbit hole health and wellness, we find out like, oh, breastfeeding is a really good idea for as long as

possible vaginal birth, you know, not all of us have those opportunities. And you know, you're you weren't so far as like drinking water being a real problem. What were some of the things that first drew you into formulation? You're working with clients, you're seeing what they're deficient in. You know, I was a, I was a Victor Conti was an old buddy of mine from a while back when I was fighting in the UFC and famously, you know, went to jail for the Balco scandal. But one thing that he found, he didn't make money giving these guys elite level athletes performance enhancing drugs. But he was writing, you know, this is what you guys should do, you know, Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, all these people,

and he served his time for that. But the thing where he made his money was he found out that all these elite level athletes were low in zinc and magnesium. So he's the guy who created ZMA. And anytime somebody wants to use ZMA, they got to pay him a little piece. And so like, that's where he really got a launch. But he's a brilliant Victor was always brilliant, you know, and he was looking at things like that, like what, what is consistent among all these athletes that's missing? What can I do to bring that up? And I'm sure through your

clientele, you probably started to see more and more what are some of the consisting consistent missing links. Obviously, I know you're you're a sunele, you probably started to see more and more what are some of the consistent, consistent missing links. Um, obviously I know you're, you're a sun lover. You got a great tan. Um, I, I was, you know, starting to rabbit hole Jack Cruz years ago and have gone back and forth, you know, with, with my relationship with him. Um, but the, the, the wealth and knowledge is there, you know, light medicine of the future and, uh, and health and light by John odd, of course,

before that, I had Jacob Lieberman on the podcast recently, he was he was awesome. So like the sunlight, I want to get in all these pieces photo by modulation, like tell me, tell me as you started formulating kind of what led you to some of these big powerhouses we hear about today. Yeah, well, so I got really sick. And, man, I didn't know what was wrong with me. And I had developed a practice where I had people coming in from all over and I could fix all these difficult cases. But then here I get sick and I just can't figure out what was

wrong with me. And I'm going to doctor to doctor. And I got diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis, which is kind of like a rheumatoid arthritis type of a disease. It's an autoimmune disease. And I know I thought I just, I just didn't believe that. I was like, I feel like I have an infection, but none of the lab work was coming back that showed that, but it was just the wrong labs. So you know, I suffered for over 10 years like that. And the only thing that was helping me was if I fasted, I noticed if I fast, my inflammation would go down. But then I wound up getting emaciated and everybody was really concerned thinking I

was having problems with drug abuse and things like that, because when you got a lot of inflammation, you're a little agitated. You're not a really happy-go-lucky person because you're in a lot of pain, and then you combine that with getting really thin. I mean, it's not a good picture. Then I was doing some IVs, and it was helping me, some ozone IVs and some glutathione IVs,

but I couldn't do these IVs all the time. And so I found a company that was making a glutathione suppository and I started using that. And it was one of the few things that I ever tried that really moved the needle. I would take this, and I'd wake up the next morning, and I would feel halfway human. And that's what really opened my eyes up. And you know, if it wasn't that I was so desperate, I don't know that I would have just gone in and tried to suppository, right? It's like, I'm going to stick this up my butt, you know, no way. I'd rather take, you know, a little cold out.

But it was this experience that I had where I realized like, hey, this really, really works when you do it rectally. And so I kind of took a bit of a dive and I found out that the reason that that is so effective is that so many molecules get broken down by your digestive tract, you know, the different enzymes and the hydrochloric acid in your stomach. And then there's something called first pass through the liver because the liver basically breaks components down to smaller components and then things get put back together on the other side of it.

And so nutrients like glutathione and melatonin and NAD and yeah, so glutathione is very poorly absorbed orally, right? And there's a whole family of things that really don't absorb very well, you know, orally. So doctors use IVs, right? Because it bypasses that whole system and we know that these things can be a lot more effective. So when one introduces a suppository into the rectum, first of all, like you shouldn't, it takes two seconds, it's no big deal. You shouldn't really feel it in there, right? And then that substance basically not only does it get directly into the bloodstream, but it actually does something very unique that taking an oral substance doesn't do, which also improves its ability

to get the nutrient into the cell. Do you know what that is? No. So peak plasma is a definition that each nutrient and delivery will have a peak plasma. And for instance, like if you take a CoQ10 pill orally, the peak plasma might be an hour.

And that means that for an hour, that nutrient is in your bloodstream, right? So it would be a graft and says it's available. So as it's floating in your bloodstream, it's available for yourselves to pull them floating in your bloodstream, it's available for your cells to pull them in, but only at a certain rate. And we don't absorb things real quick. You think about like, if you soak beans, right?

If you had some black beans and you put it in water, you come back in five minutes and expect those black beans to be, have absorbed much of that water. They're, they're not right. But you soak them overnight and they're plump and there's a bunch of water that's absorbed. Your cells are the same way. And so if we do a high amount of a nutrient for a short period of time,

it's not necessarily gonna be as good as if you have a trickle of a nutrient over a long period of time, because that long peak plasma, which when you get into the world of suppositories, your peak plasma is going to be five to seven hours. Wow. Yeah.

And you're getting it while you're resting, during the anabolic window, the rest and digest, the right side of the nervous system, everything is in the favor of detoxing and helping and healing. Exactly. yeah. Glutathione is one of the sleep-promoting substances, and so it does help with sleep, helps with detoxification of the body, it helps with our viral immunity, it helps with our general immune system. It also is one of the primary ways that we clear chemicals and heavy metals out of our body, because the glutathione

kind of wraps around those molecules and chaperones them right out of the body. So I think that's to me, that's such an important piece because you know, there's there's people that get into health and wellness, and that becomes like the Holy Grail, I got to detox heavy metals and stuff like that. And then a lot of people that are kind of new to that, you know, what do I take?

You know, and you've got this bentonite clay and this laundry list of stuff and you need, you know, psyllium husk to sweep out everything out. And it can get kind of comical in the recommendations. But if you think of like, you know, and you guys have a whole suite of stuff there from disodium EDTA and really phenomenal shit. I'd love for you to

break that down. But I just want to say this because Luke and I are no strangers to geo engineering and the shit that they're spraying in the atmosphere. And I had the guy on, Chase Dwingans, I think if I remember his name correctly, he did the dimming, which is still on YouTube. I'll link to it in the show notes, which is a mind blowing documentary on this. But I had my hair, I had to take it from my body because I'm bald, but I did a hair mineral analysis for myself and for my son. It was only six years old. My son's never had a vaccine.

I've never cooked with aluminum, you know, never, no, he has nothing. There's nothing in his diet, you know, that would have ever been inorganic for that matter. And, um, he and I both had high levels of aluminum. And I was like, shit, that doesn't make any sense at all. And then I saw the dimming and I was like, that makes a lot of sense now. Right? So I'd love for you to talk about this, because you know, these, we know what these things lead to. They lead to Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, dementia, they lead to a whole bunch of stuff we don't

want to have happen. And it's, it's not a great path until we get there either. Right. So I'd love for you to break down some of this stuff. And, and the good a thion piece such as being such an awesome carrier out, like it's, it's, you know, it's our master antioxidant, and it starts to go down when we turn 30. But it's here, it is available in a way that can really start to shift us and make us better. Yeah, yeah. Well, you're right on as far as, you know, the dangers of aluminum. That's why, you know, you don't want to cook with aluminum foil, you know, you want to stay away from aluminum

with even your kitchen. But this idea that there's nanoparticles of aluminum that they're spraying in our atmosphere you know, seems to be a non, you know, all the conspiracy theories are turning out to be true. Notice that ever since Trump's taken office, like, oh, okay. Wow, it was made in Wuhan, you know, and how the vaccines maybe do have some harm. But we've been seeing that trickle out quite a bit even before that But but yeah, so aluminum the the conspiracy with the combination of aluminum and a virus is really interesting because aluminum creates a

much more virulent virus and so Having a population that had higher aluminum levels and then introducing a virus is almost like some very intelligent person was thinking this thing out. Although I think it's probably more likely that the individuals that are responsible for the geoengineering are trying to reflect the sun and to slow a global warming down. And this is what Emory from Gaia, he and I have had some conversations about this as well. And his response is he said, they can't be honest with us because we've already gone past, you know, the critical point as far as global warming, and that they

have to do this in order to keep the planet from X, Y, Z, you know. And so whether that's true or not, you know, I don't know. I know that there's a lot of states that are taking on, you know, through RFK to discontinue that and forbid that in their state. I've noticed that it's been a lot less just in Florida since the last couple of months. I don't know about you. Yeah, I've noticed the same in Texas, my son at a certain point, you know, because I had to explain to him, you know, why, why he needed to do some under the tongue spray and some different things to help eliminate.

Um, but yeah, we'd see like, if it looks like checkers in the sky, you know, and he wouldn't just see if they'd literally look like a checkerboard, you know, you see like all these X's everywhere and, um, and then the very, they're very odd clouds and then the temperature drops 20 degrees the next two days, you know, it's just, it was just it was just over and over again, especially since 2020. So, um, yeah, I don't I don't think we're pat. Grock just did a thing. I don't know if you saw it. Um, Dr. Robert Malone is just on my podcast, wrote a sub stack on this over the weekend, but Grock just just debunked all of the climate hypothesis utilizing the knowledge we have on the ice

cores in terms of like, is it manmade or not? And it's like, unless we had the internal combustion engine 150,000 years ago, it's quite likely this is a solar cycle, you know, that CO2, you know, is preceded by heat, CO2 rises after the fact because oceans release it and that helps to restore balance with global cooling. You know, so it was, it was very interesting, you know, then obviously, you know, AI is not perfect. It could be programmed. We see that already. You know, if you used to ask AI a question about Donald Trump, it'd have a very streamlined way of thinking, you know? But yeah, I found that interesting. Greg Braden was talking about that on guy years ago. You know,

the ice cores that go back 400,000 years and how we've had at least four of these cycles where, you know, the earth has been hotter than it is now and then much cooler than it is now. So then he pointed out to that. I found interesting was he said that as long as there's ice on the caps. That we're still in an ice age, right? Like it's not, that means that there's been times where there's no ice and that that's truly when you're out of a nice

Age that's pretty incredible think that way, you know, I'm just wondering like what did everything look like then that kind of stuff? But yeah, well, I mean that there if that happens there's gonna be a lot of beachfront property that will no more be be like Lex Luthor in the original Superman when he buys all of central California because he wants beachfront property before he blows up the San Andreas to take it out. Right? Yeah. Well, you know, one thing that a lot of people don't see melatonin in the light of is that

it's actually a chelator of heavy metals from the brain. They've done studies showing that. Yeah. So the combination of, um, glutathione and melatonin can be really, and when you first start taking it, you know, um, I would suggest taking a binder, like a activated charcoal. I like, there's some blends, like, I like, uh, quick silver has a, uh, one called ultra binder,

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Oh, yeah.. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's what's, let's talk, let's talk about the lean. A lot of people are, are curious, you know, there's been some back and forth recently from different, you know, influencers that say, um, I don't even know what they say about methylene in terms of why, why it might not be something for people to take, but I've been working with methylene blue for a while. Interestingly, and what turned me on to your company was the fact that once I got into reading, I read a couple of books.

I read Mark Sloan's book. I read your book on methylene, which is fantastic. It's thin, really talks a lot about the stacks as well, how well it stacks with hyperbaric oxygen and ketones and a lot of other goodies fasting. So I really appreciated that. Dang it, where was I going to go with this? Methylene. Well, you had mentioned with your influencers, I can probably talk a little bit about what you might have read. Yeah, and I'd love for you just to share like what methylene is, you know, like what and maybe not what methylene is, and maybe not what methylene is, but how it works in the body, right? Because that's ultimately what people, you hear, oh, it was a textile dye, and don't

dig dye. And it's like, well, that LSD was for something else before it became LSD for people, right? Just because something gets repurposed in a better way doesn't change the fact that it shows benefit. And reading through these books, I know I was going to talk about was dose. What turned me on to your company was you're the only company that was actually putting in a significantly high enough dose for a larger individual to get in my dose range. A lot of people are selling 5-mg methylene, you know, even 30-mg methylene and the doses between, and correct me if I'm wrong, a half

a milligram to four milligrams per kilogram of body weight. That's what I've read. So for me at about 100 kilos, that's 50 to 400 milligrams as a dosing range. And at the most I was taking before I got to Midas and was 30 migs. And so I was like, yeah, kind of notice, you know, I kind of have a little bit more energy. But like, once I started to find, you know, the upper end of what works for me. I was like, holy shit. This is a whole different thing. Like I feel energy. I feel cognitive pop.

I'm recovering faster from workouts. I have more cardio. My brain doesn't get tired. Like there was so much there. And then of course, stacking was light was red light and sunlight. So I just want to say thank you for throwing a decent amount into the bars. You know, it makes a huge difference. And if you if you're somebody that's listening to this and you're thinking,

I tried methylene, I don't think much of it. It's probably because you're underdosed. Mm hmm. Yeah. Well, you know, it's I took a very deep dive into methylene blue. Obviously, I read a book. I wrote a book on it. Understanding that molecule, it's easy to get scared of it. Because if you just Google and you just

read the Wikipedia or the WebMD or something like that, they're really very black and white. Like that don't take methylene blue with SSRIs because you're gonna get serotonin storm. Well, that's not exactly so black and white. And I would preface this to suggest that anybody that's gonna start taking it might check in with their healthcare provider and have them manage that with you. Because when you start getting over the dosage regimen that we're talking about, it can be quite dangerous. And you could be running a risk on the higher end of that dosage schedule,

I would say probably around the two milligrams per kilogram of body weight. When you get above that and you're taking SSRIs, then you might be starting to get into having some problems. But that whole warning with regards to SSRIs and methylene blue kind of came from a doctor that was doing a thymectomy. So it was people with a cancer of their thymus gland. And because the thymus gland is so metabolically active, there's a lot of mitochondria in the thymus gland. And so that high concentration of mitochondria, because the methylene blue is attracted to mitochondria, which is a really good thing for us, because that's where it's going to do a lot of the good is within that

powerhouse of the cell, because it kind of lubricates your energy pathways, right? So it gets into the mitochondria and it lubricates it. And it allows you to pull in more photons in the red, in the red kind of spectrum. And so a lot of the different therapies can be more powerful with red light panels and saunas and so forth. But this idea, so they're doing a thymectomy and they found that there was five cases that were taking SSRIs and it was about 500 milligrams done IV. So that's another thing is the danger really seems to be more in with doing IVs. And so the Mayo Clinic actually retracted that warning and so did Canada, but our FDA

still maintains that warning with regards to methylene blue in SSRIs, which is such a bummer because methylene blue actually acts as an SSRI. And there's been large clinical trials that show that it improves depression. So it uplifts mood really nicely. And it was a very large human study that they did. I think there was about 1500 people in that study. And it's pretty phenomenal. And

what I love about it is that methylene blue, basically methylene blue mops up nitric oxide, but not all nitric oxide, because you actually have three different forms. And this is an important conversation, I think, for a lot of people that might be athletes or they work out quite a bit. And you hear so much about nitric oxide, such a great thing to take supplements that improve that. And so that's also not a really clear black and white conversation either because the three types of nitric oxide are endothelial, neuronal, and inducible. Okay. And so red light and saunas and so forth, they work on the endothelial nitric oxide. And so by doing different types of light therapies,

we're actually going to have an enhancement of that very good type of nitric oxide. Hyperbaric oxygen is really going to elevate both neuronal and endothelial. But the inducible is kind of out here, and it's a bit separate. And it's really meant to be a temporary elevated nitric oxide in light if we have an infection or toxicity. And so if you think about it, if you have an infection, you want to have that inflammation, that vasodilation, you want the body to bring in

the immune cells and take out the debris and take out the dead bacteria that the body's killed. the debris and take out the dead bacteria that the body's killed. And so it's important, but it's not something that you want chronically elevated because what will happen is that you'll start to get an elevation of something called peroxy nitrates. And these peroxy nitrates are really one of the most damaging substances to the endothelial lining of the blood vessels. And when you damage that, it actually gets the cholesterol to stick to the wall of the blood vessels. So it's not as much, the problem isn't with cholesterol.

And you'll hear a lot of people talk about this. And that's why I think statins are maybe not the best idea. But we look at cholesterol and we say, okay, it's high cholesterol, it's bad. It's when cholesterol goes rancid, it's when it becomes oxidized, right? And if you have chronically high inducible nitric oxide, that will help accelerate this oxidation of the cholesterol in your blood, which then can really turn into some very serious problems with cardiovascular disease.

So what Methylene Blue does is it mops up the inducible nitric oxide, and they've done studies and they've shown that inducible nitric oxide tends to really trigger a lot of depression. They've done these studies with people where they increase this nitric oxide with a control group and then they lower it and it's very clear where depression comes and it goes

depending on the level of nitric oxide. That's super interesting. I had read about the depression piece and I'd read about the nitric oxide piece but didn't realize how they had they correlated together. Yeah because then you have a lot of people that will come out and say oh you know I don't take methylene blue because you know I don't want to lower my nitric oxide levels because nitric oxide is so important for maintaining my blood vessel my but my vessels. And that actually might not even be the true story as much as CO2

might be the main molecule that keeps the blood vessels dilated anyway. So, you know, that's a whole other conversation we could get into. But yeah, so methylene blue, it's a brilliant blue salt. They call it the magic bullet because it doesn't seem to have a lot of negative effects in the body, but it has a lot of powerful positive effects. It's got antimicrobial benefits. In fact, at the blood banks, one of the things that they do is they add a little bit of methylene blue to the blood and and and and then after that they they subject the blood to to to light in order to sterilize and that so anybody that's gotten a blood transfusion actually gotten a little bit of methylene blue through that blood so

it's something that's really quite an important nutrient or medicine in our healthcare. And the hospitals are all required to have methylene blue on hand because it's the only cure for certain conditions, emergency conditions when people report to the ER. But again, you know, the danger is really going to get more into like the IV component or taking doses above two milligrams per kilogram of body weight. Now it is a synthetic molecule, right? And so me being a naturopath, me being a chiropractor, you know, I'm always really looking at, I prefer to have things that are natural. And so this was the first thing that I kind of, you know, stepped back thinking, oh, well, this is a synthetic molecule. But, you know, when you look at there's been, you know, 170 plus thousand synthetic molecules

that have been developed by mankind, and not one of them does anything like what methylene blue does, right? It just is a very, very powerful molecule. And the other thing that I think a lot of people, so the idea that because it's synthetic is that it has some level of toxicity or it somehow can be harmful. Like you can't bridge that based on just that one argument because it's been around for over a hundred years and there's been so many studies on methylene blue and it really has demonstrated itself to be a very safe, extremely safe molecule.

Yeah, I think it's incredible. And I bump into a lot of that, you know, if you're into health and wellness and you're into organic feeding or eating and understanding, you know into organic feeding or eating and understanding, you know, the high quality water and getting enough sunlight and movement practices and, you know, being really, really mindful of the supplements you put in your body. And then it's, but why do you take that?

And it's like, well, this thing's kind of in a league of its own. It really is. And through personal experience, you know, like getting that at the right dose. I mean, there's really nothing like it. There's very few things that you're like, like, I get that much bang for my buck. I get that much of an ROI for my body and my brain. I'm 43 years old. I just turned 43. And having retired 11 years ago from professional fighting, I know I'm never going to be at that level again. But I like the fact that I can still push myself and recover well, you know that I that I'm not sore and banged up anymore.

I can go to the gym and have a good time and come home and wrestle my kids and still chase them around the house and have the energy to do that. You know, there's a lot, you know, we all we all have full schedules. We all have a lot going on and instead of reaching for more caffeine. I like having real energy, you know, and I'll see that real energy, you know, like I'm keeping a good body weight, you know, staying fit. So it

feels good that that's a good part of the arsenal there. What do you think, you know, there Sloan wrote a little bit about the fact that, you know, it ought to be cycled and there's some differences in how people might cycle on and off that. What are your personal opinion on that? Well, I do believe that it can build up a bit, yeah. Taking a holiday from Methylene Blue I think is a good idea. So I typically, and everybody's going to be a little different. There might be some people that will take it for three days and then take a couple of

days off and notice that they do a lot better by taking that break that quickly. Ten days on, two or three days off has been a recommendation I've used before. I've actually gone several weeks and then taken a few days off and it's been fine. So I think everybody's going to have a unique way that their body deals with methylene blue. And so it's gonna be kind of an experiment because no one's gonna be able to tell you exactly what is perfect for you. So you will start peeing blue, by the way, which can be a lot of fun.

Not unless you, dudes, you gotta wipe up. Let me just say that because white toilets is not the move my wife wants me to buy black toilets more than anything so maybe this christmas i'll get her some black toilets but yeah you got to cleaning that up is an important one you know because anywhere it splashes that blue is not coming out no it's it's good to clean it up as quickly as possible. This is the solution that I found. Miss Mouth's Messy Eater Stain Eater. Stain Eater Stain Treater. Treater. Yeah, the treater. Let me see if I can get it on Amazon. But I think it's a citric acid that that helps because it's what I'll have when people stain their teeth or stain their toilet or whatnot,

you can get vitamin C, which contains citric acid as well. Luke's story actually recommended that to me. He crushed this up in a mortar and pestle with a little bit of water and lemon juice or something like that might work, but it's you're actually changing the molecular structure of the methylene blue from methylene blue to lugo methylene blue. They actually pharmaceutical company tried to tried to market that and they did studies on lugo methylene blue and it just didn't work quite as good. But there are some experts that have suggested taking just a little bit of vitamin C with methylene blue can be of benefit.

So we do have just a small amount of vitamin C in the lumetal blue bars. Talk a little bit about the rest of the items in there. You know, before I left on it, we were working on the reformation of alpha brain. You know, how do we create like an extra heavy duty one? So I helped with the formulation for a alpha brain black label. There was a big talk from my brother ETG who's who was,

you know, really he's the real brains behind the operation in terms of supplement development are on it while we were there before the company sold. And, um, just an excellent guy. One of the things he started to realize was that anything that helps with eye health helps with cognitive function. And so I, you know, then there may be the better explanation that you're enhancing photo bio modulation. I'm not, I'm not sure, but I noticed like in the Lumetal blue, you have some

things that typically you might say is for eye health in there, right? A bunch of polyphenols. So they're also photodynamic. The challenge with most polyphenols, and I've seen some arguments that suggest, hey, why don't you use this polyphenol or that polyphen, like there's some different very blue colored polyphenols that you can source, but they don't cross the blood brain barrier. They don't really get into the mitochondria

like methylene blue does. So there's really nothing that has any type of similar effect like you had mentioned earlier. But I do believe that that can be synergistic and there can be a bit of an entourage effect, you know, with the body and something that you might consume before you do go out into the sun or do sauna or do light therapy.

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and Tim Ferriss, you know, and then Peter Attia and him did like six hours of podcasts. One of the things he said to me, which made me laugh was, we don't absorb more than a half a milligram of melatonin. And I thought this dude's never taken melatonin. Because if you take one mig versus three migs versus five migs versus 10 migs, there's a marked difference. And a lot of people might complain about being groggy

the next day or the negative impact of having more than their body can use. After reading your book, I got into taking the Sandman and I got to tell you, that's a whopper of melatonin. It's 200 mgs of melatonin, 250 mgs of glutathione. And I've got a lot of fighters that I used to train with. Todd Duffy is a good buddy running the same thing. And I'm not sure if it's because of the suppository form and the things that you allow to that slow trickle, like you're talking about But I wake up feeling like a million bucks It's it's it blows me away about how refreshed I feel

Even if I get a little less sleep on a night when I have that I wake up like just turbocharged brain Feels completely healed and restored body feels amazing Talk about you know melatonin and the Sandman. Yeah. Yeah, so We have the Sandman is our line of melatonin, high dose melatonin. And we have a bar, we have a suppository and we've got a liposomal version as well. And we have a Sandman bar with I think it's 20 milligrams of methylene blue as well. So we kind of combine that in that product. But a lot of people, they look at or they've understood melatonin as just for sleep, and this idea that melatonin, which is true, it's released by the pineal gland.

As light gets into our eyes and the light hits our retina, the amount of photon exposure that we have of our eyes is going to depend on how much melatonin we build up in our pineal. And then when we get total darkness, then that's the trigger for that pineal to release that melatonin, which then triggers this switch, which is basically very powerfully activating the parasympathetic nervous system, which is that resting and digesting and kind of turning down that sympathetic nervous system, which is the fight or flight. So we need that.

So melatonin is to the parasympathetic nervous system, just like cortisol is to the sympathetic nervous system, and norepinephrine is also to the sympathetic nervous system in the brain anyway. And so we kind of have this yin and this yang. And one of the things that I think most people can appreciate is that we are overly stressed. I don't think that we have a problem in our society where people are too chill and too cool and just relaxing.

I mean, we're all just go, go, go. And we have technology that has allowed us to be even more effective and to do more things. And so we, instead of technology letting us relax more, we wind up taking on more, you know? And so there's so many different stressors that are having a negative effect and stressing our body and triggering that sympathetic nervous system.

Inflammation does that. You know, that fight oror-flight response can be triggered from so many different aspects with mental, emotional, and spiritual triggers. And so if we don't have a powerful way to counter that and to buffer that by having a powerful part of our autonomic nervous system consisting of the parasympathetic nervous system, then you start to develop a lot of diseases and I'd suggest a lot of the chronic diseases that we're seeing are really a result of chronic activation of the sympathetic nervous system and the inflammation, the challenges that that has on the gut.

If you just look at the gut, think about the gut. I mean, if you just look at the gut, you think about the gut, when you have a strong sympathetic nervous system, you're gonna shunt blood away from the gut and into your skeletal muscles, right, to fight or to run. And so the gut becomes ischemic. It doesn't have the oxygen. It doesn't have the nutrients.

And so then the gut becomes, the walls of the gut becomes thinner and it atrophies. And so you can start to develop these pinholes in the gut and they call that leaky gut. And so then the body starts to, the digestive tract just starts to allow molecules that haven't been fully digested or broken down into the bloodstream. The immune system sees these, it doesn't recognize them, it starts to fire up, inflammation just starts to really become more and more prevalent in these individuals. And so that chronic sympathetic nervous system drive really is something that is ubiquitous

with all of us. I think we all need to be doing something in the sense of meditation, breath work, working out, doing things that we enjoy, artwork. But then there's this whole aspect of melatonin because melatonin is going to lower the older you get. If you look at a graph and age, you'll see that by the time you're at like 40 and then 60 and then 80, I mean, it just totally drops down. Right after 40 40 melatonin

levels drop down dramatically. And so we can go ahead and try to biohack our way with with blue blocking glasses and you know, grounding our bed and meditating in the evening and all these different strategies. But you know, you're going to get some benefit with that with melatonin. But ultimately, there are just way too many stressors that we are subjected to in today's world that it's impossible, I think, for individuals to reach their full potential and maintain at their full potential and live a long life that's vital without, in my opinion, I know this is a big, this is a big comment, but without subs, uh, substituting with melatonin because of that effect to

this, the autonomic nervous system, because melatonin is protecting all of yourselves. Um, one of the things that happens when we have periods of stress. So think about stress as the same as inflammation, because they're one in the same. Any type of stress is going to cause inflammation in the body. And so that inflammation is what shuts down the mitochondria, right? There's a certain level of inflammation that the mitochondria can exist in until it shuts down and it says, okay, I can't work in this environment anymore. It throws the energy into a different form of energy production that's not in the mitochondria.

It's outside of the mitochondria in the cytosol, and that's called fermentation. The problem with fermentation is you only get about 10% of the amount of energy that you would get otherwise. And so when we have this, we call it a cell danger response or Otto Warburg was a German, actually a Nazi scientist. That's actually how what can't happen with cancer. Cancer is when it switches from the electron transport chain or glycolysis into fermentation. This is actually what happens with cancer cells. And so again, chronic inflammation is really what eventually leads to cancer as well, often. So melatonin can actually quench that. So they've done studies and they've shown that some of the most destructive viruses where it would kill almost 100% of the people or like literally 95% death rate would go down to like 12% with supplementing with melatonin

because when these very, very virulent viruses or bacteria, when they get into the body, they just cause massive amounts of inflammation. And if you can't enroll an immune response against that bacteria or that virus, then it's gonna take you, you're gonna die. Now, if you can or that virus, then it's going to take you. You're going to die. Now if you can resist that inflammation, which is what melatonin does, this is like crazy. People thinking, oh my gosh, melatonin and like an infection, like this is nuts. But

every one of your mitochondria actually makes melatonin. There's melatonin within every cell of your body. It's concentrated in the mitochondria and it's the main way that it neutralizes oxidation. And it's the main way that it buffers itself against inflammation. This could also be like a massive toxic exposure, you know, could be the same thing. And so that's why taking very large doses of melatonin makes a lot of sense when you're

talking about the full body and the health benefits of melatonin for the body, because there's no toxicity. There's zero toxicity with melatonin. In fact, you know, those two words shouldn't even be used in the same sentence ever because there's been literally thousands of studies and there's not one study that has ever shown that melatonin has any level of toxicity. And they actually challenged this with one particular animal model study, which would have equaled about 150,000 milligrams to like an individual like say our weight, right? And they stopped the study because there was no toxicity.

So there's no real concern with toxicity, yet there's all these incredible health benefits and protective benefits, cardio protective, neuro protective, you know, like I think it would be a brilliant idea. I've actually given the Sandman to Dana White on a couple of occasions, but like that is a one way road for that man. And yeah, so, but I would love for the UFC to to utilize something like methylene blue and or you know higher dose melatonin for some of these brain injuries. Same thing with the NFL.

Yeah, I think that that would be a real big upgrade for them. Yeah, absolutely. You know, on the stacks hyperbaric oxygen fasting, you know, there's so much plant medicines even right and increasing neuroplasticity and healing the hardware. So I feel like right here, you know, we're primed for that next generation. I for sure. I got out early at 32 and rabbit hold all this shit, you know, is all performance. Then it was longevity. How do I heal the brain? And so I'm happy, you know, that it's led me to people like you and, and, you know, the all the basics to, you know, all the Paul Chex work, but really, really finding out, you know, like, how do I optimize so that I'm my best right now and I actually

feel better at 43 than I did, you know, when I was 30. And so that's a pretty cool thing to know, like, younger athletes are going to have that, right? We're all going to have they're going to have that now because the work that you're doing and all the science that's coming out of this stuff. So I appreciate everything you're doing, brother. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you as well. Thank you.

Where can people find you? Mitozen.com, how they follow you online. I'll link to your books as well. All this will be in the show notes. Yeah. Well, one thing we have Mitozen.club is a membership club that we have the full line of products at that site. It is a $10 lifetime membership fee. But the dot com, we do have a lot of the melatonin and methylene blue products there. I'm on Instagram quite a bit,

Dr. John LaRonce at Instagram and the clinic clinic here in Sarasota, we're in Sarasota, Florida. We have a full kind of wellness regenerative medicine clinic. We didn't really get a chance to get into, some of the things that we're doing here with prostate, we're working with regenerative medicine to the inner ear, getting people hearing better, relieving tinnitus, doing a lot of stem cell therapy with, we have a brain protocol that we've been doing, really interesting line of stem cells we call X cells,

almost we could do like a full, another full podcast to talk about some of these things, but that's advancedrejuvenation.us. Awesome, well, I'd love to have you back on in the future and we could deep dive everything we didn't get to. So that'd be a huge pleasure of mine if you're up for it. Sure, definitely. Thank you so much, Dr. John. It's been a pleasure, brother. All right, brother. I appreciate it.