Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #402 Unraveling EMFs: Technology's Hidden Impact on Health w/ Nick Pineault

Episode Date: April 19, 2025

In this episode of the podcast, the host welcomes back Nicholas Pinot, who first appeared in 2018. They discuss the ongoing and increasing impact of electromagnetic fields (EMFs) due to advancing technology and the importance of acknowledging and mitigating their effects on health. Nicholas shares his journey since the first podcast, noting his travels and speaking engagements, including the Health Optimization Summit in Texas. Key topics include the historical background of EMF awareness, the lack of regulation and increasing exposure levels, practical steps to reduce EMF exposure such as using airplane mode on phones and avoiding Bluetooth devices, and the collective need for awareness and action. They also touch on systemic issues within regulatory bodies like the FCC and broader environmental health movements led by figures like RFK Jr. The conversation underscores the importance of individual action and advocacy for future technological safety and regulation.   Connect with Nick here: Main website: https://theemfguy.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nickpineault/ The Non-Tinfoil Guide to EMFs: https://www.amazon.com/Non-Tinfoil-Guide-EMFs-Stupid-Technology/dp/1976109124/ Landmark paper - why our EMF safety standards are based on short-term experiments on 5 monkeys and 8 rats: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36253855/ 2018 review - why wireless needs to be re-classified a Class 1 carcinogen next to asbestos and tobacco smoke https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30196934/ Most important group of independent scientists to follow - The International Commission on the Biological Effects of Electromagnetic Fields: https://icbe-emf.org/   Our Sponsors: This Spring Fast Growing Trees have the best deals, for your yard, up to half off on select plants and other deals. And listeners to our show get FIFTEEN PERCENT OFF their first purchase when using the code KKP at checkout.  http://fastgrowingtrees.com/kkp Go to AliveWaters.com and use code: KKP for 33% off your first order.  Looking for Shilajit? Head over to blacklotusshilajit.com and enter code KKP to receive 15% off your orderD EARN in gold and silver. Click link below for a great discount! monetary-metals.com/kkp Get back to nature. Go to EarthRunners.com and use the code KKP at checkout for 10% off. Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome back to the podcast. We've got an oldie, but a goodie, the return of Nicholas Pino, who I had back on, I think in 2018, back in the On It era, total human optimization or human optimization hour, whatever the damn title was. We changed it a few times, but Nick had just launched the non-tinfoil guide to EMFs.

And it was kind of a relatively new topic at the time. It's still not one that's mainstream, but it's also a topic that is evergreen, as I point to in the podcast in that the greater our technology gets, the greater the impact it'll have on our health. And understanding that and not pretending it isn't an impact actually gives us very basic and easy tools to work with that. If you'll remember the podcast I just did with Dr. Ibrahim Kareem was a podcast five years in the making.

I've been trying to get him from biogeometry. Uh, we'll link to that in the show notes. We'll also link to a great book called the invisible rainbow by Arthur Furstenberg, which I've listed many times on this podcast. It's a phenomenal listen on audible, phenomenal read, and really one of the best things to help break down how electricity corresponds to our electromagnetic bodies. A further deep dive into that subject might be Robert O. Becker's work, the body electric, another oldie, but a greatie. Anywho, you don't have to deep dive this stuff. In this podcast, I get into the how tos. A lot

of this podcast, I wanted to catch up with Nick and see what his trajectory has been because as he mentions it, you know, that first podcast we did was one of the bigger podcasts that put him on the map. And since then, you know, he's been traveling all over the world. He was actually in town here in Texas speaking at the health optimization summit with Cali means and Chris Williamson and a bunch of other folks. And he was, you know, the premier EMF guy. So lots of cool stuff in this podcast. We also get very practical towards the end. Nick's had a hell of a run the last eight years

or seven years really being on the front lines and taking arrows. As Chek says, the trailblazers are the one that take the most arrows in the back. Well, share this with friends. Leave us a five star rating with one or two ways the show has helped you out in life and purchase stuff from our sponsors. They make this show possible. Without further ado, my brother, Nick Pino. Welcome back to the podcast. It's been a long time. A very long time, many years. Yeah. You

were one of the first podcasts I did in person, maybe the first one back in 2018. Yeah, that was like a year after I'd been in on it. Human Optimization Hour was the name of the name of the podcast then. Exactly. Yeah, that was one of the, you were one of the first podcasts where I think I deep, we deep dived EMF, obviously. I mean, that's what you're known for and I definitely want to deep dive it again. It's not a topic where I bring a guest on with a lot of horsepower other than like we had, we had Dr. Ibrahim Karim on from biogeometry and who was phenomenal. I love that.

We'll link to that in the show notes. Um, but it's something that comes up frequently, right? Like in the discussion of health and wellness, it is part and parcel of it. Right? Like you can't escape it now when we talk about the modern world, modern living. Dr. Jack Cruz always talks about non-native EMF, right? Like the sun is the most organic electromagnetic frequency

to earth itself. But this non-native EMF being such an issue that most people overlook. What kind of turned the tide for me was, I think I heard you on Paul Chex, or somebody had introduced us, and I was blown the fuck away. And Paul's a dear friend and mentor,

so we're always exchanging. I just sent him Daniel Firth Griffith, or always throwing guests to each other. So big gratitude to Paul. But then there was a book that came out called The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Furstenberg, which just blew me the fuck away. Me too, me too, to be honest.

Absolutely blew me away. So one of the things they say in that book is in the bell curve, and I highly recommend it for anybody, it's the history of electricity, our history with it. Literally. And what kind of happens alongside of that, these health effects that happen alongside of that. But there's always this bell curve

with the release of any new technology where about 10 to 15% of the population who's sensitive feels it and gets hit worst, right? So like they're gonna be the most sensitive, they're gonna complain about it, they're gonna, if they realize the non-native EMF is the problem, you know, that could mean migraines, it could mean, you know, gut issues,

it could mean a whole bunch of things, skin irritation, mood disruption, hormone disruption, right? Sleep irritability, all of it. And sleep issues and irritability. And then there's kind of this vast middle that may or may not experience a varying degree of side effect, but not really be able to put their finger on it.

They're not necessarily gonna attribute to that, right? And then the final 10, 15% that are just immune but not really be able to put their finger on it. They're not necessarily going to attribute to that, right? And then the final 10, 15% that are just immune to everything because they're not sensitive, even though you would say we're electromagnetic beings and it's affecting us all no matter what, right? But they're going to be the least symptomatic, we'll say. Yeah.

And, you know, at the, you know, the release of each new technology, though, we're faced with this. And the thing is, we're going to be faced with more and more releases each new technology though, we're faced with this. And the thing is, we're gonna be faced with more and more releases of new technology, whether that's all the satellites going in the air, you know, 6G, I remember when there was 6G Wi-Fi, we were just talking Wi-Fi at Costco, you know,

and it was like everyone, there's a guy there hyping it, like it's the fastest Wi-Fi on the, you know, and all this stuff. And I was just like, this is a problem that's not really going away. And so I can see why you're continuing. You just came here from the Health Optimization Summit in Austin. Why your message and what you're bringing to the table is evergreen.

It's something that people really need to hold onto and really need to refresh. So I'm stoked to have you back on the podcast, brother. Yeah, thank you. Thanks for having me. Not much changed since we last talked and that's kind of the problem I have with it is not much change when it comes to regulations. We're not making the amount of EMF that everyone is exposed any lower. So it's an environmental toxin that we knew was already bad when I talked to you in 2018. Since then,

we have new studies, we have new data that is even more concerning, but you know, usually when you have that, what you would expect, what the average citizen on the street would expect the government to do is say, okay, wait, we have new studies, so therefore let's, you know, expose everyone a little bit less compared to before. But what is happening right now is we're continuing to ramp up the exposure. So right, we didn't have the satellites a few years ago. The AirPods were not as popular as they are today. 2025 is like skyrocketing the amount of children that use them also, teenagers but adults, you know, the industry in Montreal I would say it's a good 20% of people that in my age

group at least in the 30s, 20s, maybe I'm being conservative, so it's a lot of people that wear those for extended periods of time, so instead of having a phone to the head which was a concern, not a lot of people have phone calls anymore, they text, there are other concerns because they expose other body parts, but the phones themselves have not gotten any safer. And now we have the 5G rollout,

so new cellular antennas, densification of cellular antennas, and we have the satellites. So the topic is, I actually don't agree with you that everyone understands the dangers. And that's been my frustration for the last year Oh, yeah, sorry if I said that I mean I people don't you know, I especially in that, you know They should but it's not group, you know group the group of that may or may not be able to put their finger on it It's because people don't know. Yeah, right So that large the largest part of the bell curve, right?

We're talking about that They may or may not have any idea why their health issues are coming up for them. In large part, it's because people aren't looking in the right direction, right? I would say that, and I would say, right now, I'm very focused on the Maha movement, make America healthy again.

I find that it's super exciting. And what I was concerned about is, are they missing EMF as a potential factor? Because yes, what you put in your food matters, like removing the generally recognized safe bullshit with the FDA and you know, you can all of a sudden take a chemical ingredient and say, oh, this is generally recognized as safe. What does it mean? Well, it's a loophole. It's nonsense. It's good that we minimize how many artificial ingredients

that we put on our food, on our kids' food, that's for sure. But artificial EMFs tend to be overlooked, I find, in discussion. And a lot of people have been convinced and hold on to their deal life to the idea that my phone is safe. Because if you recognize that it's unsafe or that it could impact your fertility if you keep it in your pocket or maybe it's linked with cancer it's a very uncomfortable position to be in as someone that's trying to be health oriented because you're like well you know I love my. I still want to do business with it, like a contact with my family with it.

So, you know, this is how I stay in contact with my kids and with my wife when I'm on a business trip. So what do you expect me to do? And they don't know that you can use it in a safer way. And they are afraid that my advice would be like, stop using technology, which is not a possibility in their life right now and not necessarily a possibility for a lot of people. You live what I see essentially off the grid, you're on a farm, you're in nature, but you also have technology, but you're doing many things right, you know, ethernet cables to your computer, things like that. These are the kind of steps that everyone can take regardless of if they live outside, you know, in nature or in right in the middle of the city.

They should take these steps to lower exposure. And that's always been my message is like, guys, all exposures right now in the artificial range of EMFs are detrimental to your biology, whether you realize it or not, and whether you feel it or not. And you're right that some people will feel it more. And usually it's kind of almost a godsend for them because they will say, wait a minute, I get like a weird ringing in my ear if I have AirPods, they will stop using them.

And I hear that all the time. Or maybe they don't do the link, but eventually one day they forget them at home and they're like, wait minute it's gone so they can put two and two together and they have a clear symptom where their body is telling them look this isn't good for you it's like when you eat the food and you know you get the runs and you're like wait what is this food my food my body is kind of rejecting that food right now and you're like okay well it's probably not something I'll have maybe I had too much or maybe it's just you know I ate like random gummies and popcorn at the movies and you're like okay this isn't a good idea my gut is just telling me look this is poison it's gonna go in the toilet well when it comes to artificial EMF some people have

that reflex and that's kind of good but most people don't and this is kind of a low level hidden stressor that's among all other factors out there and this is really why it's hard to pinpoint for a lot of people they tell me you know oh i sleep fine with my cell phone under the pillow okay uh that's good good for you i mean if you're able to to achieve good sleep even with these exposures, but the fact remains that the scientific studies show us that the radio frequency radiation emitted by the phone can interfere with brain waves and therefore it is very likely you would sleep even better without the phone on. So it's not a question of saying like, I feel like some people are waiting for a definitive you know they want

definite proof that this is harming me before I take action which is kind of stupid and they don't follow the same preventative guidelines that they hold themselves to when it comes to food and other toxins so I just wanted to be part of the conversation and I feel like it's changing this year. I know you told me you're just getting back in Instagram. I've been even more on social media this year looking at Maha, what's happening. And you know, EMF is kind of one of these topics that's like level, you know, I don't know, order. I don't know which one is more important. We heard a lot about food dyes.

We heard about, of course, the vaccination stuff and a lot of all of is more important. We heard a lot about food dyes. We heard about, of course, the vaccination stuff and a lot of all of them are important. I don't put them in initially in an order but EMF sometimes is like, oh is that even an issue? You know, well we all use technology, right? We don't all eat food dye and really when I got into this topic in 2016, and just two years later we talked, and why I'm still doing this work every single day to this day is that almost everyone is touched by technology, including people that live off the grid, have a cell phone, if it's not an old flip phone,

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One thing that really, and I wanna talk maha, but I also wanna talk about this, everyone is affected. The first thing that comes to mind, as an analogy, is I remember growing up, second hand smoke became kinda pretty well known. Once they realized like, oh, too big tobacco has paid off doctors, they've paid off, whoever's looking at them to say cigarettes are healthy.

Even had guys dressed in white lab coats in their commercials saying like, I like Marlboro, whatever, you know? But once that became well understood, most people would take precautions. That's why you'd always look at the guy smoking next to the playground, like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? Don't do that. And people would say it. That's why you'd always look at the guy smoking next to the playground, like, what the fuck are you doing, dude?

Don't do that. And people would say it, don't do that. Go somewhere else. I know you need it, that's cool. Go somewhere else. But if second hand smoke can affect us, and that's only amongst the smokers, generally. Now, in other places, you go to Vegas or something,

they're smoking indoors, everyone's affected the same. It is similar. It's similar in that because all of us do have technology. And in that it's inescapable unless we are aware and we're taking steps to minimize it, you know, especially where we can. Yeah, right. There's a lot of places where we can't, you know, like, and that's okay. You know, if I'm in Vegas, I can't say, hey, stop smoking by me, you know, like that's part and parcel. But this, if I'm in Vegas, I can't say, hey, stop smoking by me. You know, like that's a part and parcel. But this other piece on Maha too, you know,

I was pissed because, you know, they write the real Anthony Fauci and the Wuhan coverup and all these books. And it's like, we don't hear anything about vaccines for a while. Dr. Jack Cruz was complaining about that. And, you know, just the other day I got on Instagram and Bobby had made an announcement that we're gonna go,

we're actually gonna perform the deepest study on all things that have led to the detriment of our health. And we're gonna cover the uncomfortable topics. He's like, I'm willing to let go of my, not preconceived, but the studies that I've found in search of what shows up new. So like he's willing, what he's saying basically is,

even though I've pointed out the problems with vaccines in the past, I'm willing to be proved wrong here if they are in fact healthy, right? So they're gonna run the science and he listed EMF, he listed geoengineering, he listed vaccines, he listed fucking all of it. So I was like, all right, cool. Because yeah, there was a while there

where it was only Froot Loops and shit like that. And I was like, you know, I think if people are eating healthy or if they're, they're, they want to take their health seriously, they're probably not eating fruit loops anymore. You know, like, yes, yes. You know, there's the Nordic countries, you know, you're not allowed to put artificial flavor, artificial coloring in any children's food.

Yeah. So Kraft, mac and cheese in order to get into the Nordic countries, they took out yellow 40 or whatever their yellow dye was, and they put in a NATO, which is an organic yellow, yellow food coloring. Yeah. And it was like, if it's that simple for the gatekeepers to just to say this is allowed, this isn't, then what the hell are our people doing? Who who who's looking out for our kids who's looking out for us in general. Right.

And so that's a whole topic in and of itself that's worth the worth exploring because it's it's the the money grab that has allowed for us to become sicker. But to that same point, as I've explored this topic, you look at telecoms companies and things like that are one of the largest contributors to government in the world, like more than big oil. They contribute more than big oil year after year.

And you see ads. I rarely watch TV, but we were at a Fit for Service event in Tahoe. And I think it was in 2020. There was a lot of people were talking 5G towers then and things like that just because of COVID and whatever that looked like. There was a talk.

There was a discussion that this may be in part where some of the problem is. And they show the Verizon guy holding a 5G tower. He's just hugging it and he's holding it with his legs in his arms while he's talking about how awesome 5G is. And like the subliminal messaging there is hilarious, you know, but at the same time, I mean,

it's the same as like the doctor saying, this is the brand of cigarettes I like, it's incredible. Yeah, it's completely stupid. like the doctor saying, this is the brand of cigarettes I like. It's incredible. Yeah, it's completely stupid. It's irresponsible, this way of positioning that even cell towers are completely safe, because we know that even within the already very permissive safety guidelines, there is such thing as a safe distance with towers.

But the fact remains that in North America, the limits are so permissive that the cell towers are installed anywhere that the industry wants. So on top of people's homes, in schools, on top of schools or near playgrounds, in certain other countries they've been moved away because you know out of the percussionary principle but that's not a very popular way of thinking in I mean I was about to say the US but Canada is the same Canada is so permissive and we see ourselves as like I don't know sometimes superior on policy and think not not when it comes to EMFs I mean maybe

on on certain other things were like more towards the EU, but for EMFs, it's really disappointing. Health Canada is basically saying, oh, well, you know, the FCC said it's safe, but the FCC is, you know, a front group for the industry. All the previous heads of the FCC are ex-CTIA. CTIA is the lobbying group for their, you know. Just like the FDA with big pharma. You see these CEOs from GlaxoSmithKline or Merck or

whoever wind up on the controlling board of the FDA and you see guys from the FDA wind up and gals wind up as the CEO of these giant pharmaceutical companies. Exactly. Well, you get it, but I think that a lot of people underestimate how much lobbying there's been to put the certain bills in place to give these powers to the telecom industry. The 1996 Telecom Act was the most lobbied bill in history and in like an amount of dollar that was put to make sure that it passes and it gave the wireless industry in the US the ability to install them anywhere and in fact you are forbidden as a citizen in the US to say, hey, I think this is hurting me.

You cannot say that. If you want to sue, you need to say, this is not pretty. This is not a pretty tower. And I think that it devalues the neighborhood and you can actually some people have won over you know complaining over cell tower placement over death over aesthetics and not health how crazy is that right because of rules that have been put in place that could be reversed it's going to be a you know that's an uphill battle that I think you know RFK Jr. is aware of it I think that he wants to see these rules

that are completely nonsensical and protective of an industry that doesn't deserve this level of protection. I mean, right now, the industry has no R&D that they're putting towards any safety. So what should be done in the industry is making the devices safer, making sure the towers are not overexposing citizens, making sure the towers are not over exposing citizens, making sure that people are warned of how to use their technology more safely,

but let's face it, like no one listening to this should have to worry about their phone. The phone should be safe in the first place. This is what really pisses me off, is the lack of development of new products. There are some that are now coming on the market that are a little bit safer and I'm kind of eager to see that but how hard is it to start a new cell phone company? Like what kind of funding do you need? What kind of expertise? It's tough. It's tough to compete against Apple and Android. And these companies have all the incentives not to innovate towards more safety because they really fear the liability that will come. Like imagine, oh, now the iPhone 16 with half the radiation, you're going to have users

go wait a minute, doesn't mean that my 15 right now is like 100% radiation. Like no one wants the radiation. That's the truth. The truth I've realized is that if you tell people you know your phone emits radiation to connect to a tower oh yeah I hate the towers oh no I hate radiation I want to think about it but they want connectivity you know that's just the same word is the same thing so users kind of know that their phone is unhealthy and but what what do you do about it?

They're like well okay I'm gonna I have two brands I choose Apple or Android and maybe these other competitors and you know they're all equally unsafe because the safety rules are just rigged and in fact looking into it further in the last several years and interviewing scientists it's even worse than I thought when you look at the initial safety testing that was done. So in the 1980s they looked at short-term behavioral studies where animals were exposed 40 to 60 minutes to radio frequency radiation. So smartphones, Bluetooth stuff, cell towers, that's all radio frequency, Wi-Fi too. Bluetooth stuff, cell towers, that's all radio frequency, Wi-Fi too. And then the exposed five monkeys and eight rats. This is the fundamental science that we have, is all on these 13 animals. So, you know, it's so nonsensical, it's almost, you know, I have to either laugh or cry,

sometimes I do both at the same time, you know, it's aggravating. But when you look at many topics you discover that when you look at you know the safety I learned about it a few weeks ago the safety of an injectable aluminum is like that where there's a handful of lab animals and you're like a handful I mean obviously you need like a large study it's thousands of animals and then you have you know statistical significance I'm'm not a scientist, I'm a citizen journalist. I'm not even that good in... I have 15 years of experience but I'm not you know... I'm no expert in being able to analyze scientific studies and you know the... like I leave that to scientists and

sometimes I contact scientists like what do you think of the study design and things like that but I know with my background and sometimes I contact scientists like what do you think of the study design and things like that? But I know With my background and I think the average Joe knows that 13 animals is not enough to figure out safety It's very basic and yet a lot of people I think that are still skeptical of this entire topic Like I don't know if EMF is a problem, you know. They think it's been safety tested. They, oh, no, there's someone testing this somewhere, you know, the FCC or something.

That's not the case. It's worse than people can imagine. Yeah, I mean, that, for me, a big awakening in health and wellness was diving into Dr. Susan Humphrey's work, the book Dissolving Illusions, getting into, you know, Weston A. Price, obviously through Paul Chek, Weston Aphrey's work, the book Dissolving Illusions, getting into Weston A. Price, obviously through Paul Chek, Weston A. Price's work and the Price Foundation, Sally Fallon Morell, who's the president there,

Dr. Thomas Cowan's work, and really getting to see that side, like you learn about the Beidol Act, you learn about the fact that vaccine manufacturers pretty much position themselves in a way where they would no longer be held accountable for any vaccine creation, right? And there might have been some pros to that early on. But what that led to is, you know, if you're born before 1988, like me, I'm born in 1982, I had 10 vaccines from zero to 18 years old. But kids born after 1989 got 72 vaccines.

Well, why is that? Is that because they just started making more and it's because they didn't have anyone coming after them, right? And in the court, where taxpayers pay out to the people that are damaged, there's still no liability on vaccine manufacturers. In that court, they've still paid out

over $5 billion in damages. And it's nearly impossible to prove that the vaccine can cause damage because of the way they've set it up. And they've still paid out $5 billion plus to people where they knew it was undeniable, right? So you think about how they've rigged certain aspects of that game, and then you understand food

and what's allowed in other countries versus ours. And you see how that game's rigged. And you to see like every piece of the equation when it comes to health If there's a money grab that is more important than the health of the citizen That's exactly it. It was the start of my book is you know This is dedicated for people who put want to put help before profits, you know as if it's something radical these days I think that I think I can sum up the entire ma, as if it's something radical these days. I think that I think I can sum up the entire Maha movement because it's not just it's not just people from the US.

I think it's an international movement at this point. Many of my colleagues are international and they're like, okay, Maha, you know, it's it's not just making the US healthy again. That's for sure. Because anything that happens in the US in this movement will change politics worldwide and I'm very very You know, I am hopeful And and I said that on on on eggs the other day

I'm rarely there because I lose my mind in like 30 seconds reading comments and people hate each other and I'm like Oh, no, I'm becoming like them. So I leave very early, I leave very quick or else I freak out to be honest. I have a hard time being on there. But I said, you know, RFK is not my savior. Like in the sense that he's just one guy. He's just one guy. So I feel like a lot of people

and it may be this is what they're doing with anyone and he's superstar, you you know anyone that they perceive oh no that's Kyle Kinsbury is gonna you know tell us how to live his life look he has a land and now we need to have like they just want to follow someone and do as they do or they look up to someone and say oh you know Trump will save the country, RFK will save the entire country, well he's one man. So it means that in the end we also have to take ownership of like, well we also need to do something, right? It's

everyone, like being part of a movement is I think a better idea than you know following one person or like waiting for RFK Jr. to change the rules around cell phone safety. Maybe he's gonna do it but maybe not and if it's not will I wait 12 years? You know no, no we'll do everything we can to support him in his position and maybe he has a shot at doing it but we have to have you know multiple parallel things that we're trying to do. Awareness and lawsuits against the telecom, better science, talk to each other, activism is still going. I feel like some people are relaxing. They're like, oh, RFK Jr. is at the government now. He's going to take care of us. No, we shouldn't fall for that. You know, it is a nice surprise that happened out of almost

out of nowhere for me and I, you know, when the HHS confirmation happened, I had a few tears. I was like, jeez, this is, yeah, this could be huge. This is the first time I know a politician who knows EMS very well, knows that the cell towers are dangerous, knows that there are biological effects and knows the industry and the lobbying power that is behind it and knows that most people think it's bullshit. And yet he's there and is and, you know, probably top three people in the world that are the most influential towards health right now. I'm like, Jesus, this is huge.

And I interviewed him twice on top of that. So I was super happy. I'm like, oh yes. But he remains just a man. What if he's being blocked on all fronts and he can make no progress? We have to have a plan B. So I just see Maha, there's like pitfalls of that movement of believing, oh the movement is there so it's you know, oh we've won already or something. No, no, it's yesterday Kali Means was having a great panel, Max Lugavere, we had other people, Warren Phillips and you know they were talking about Ma and Kali said something very, very good. I love how he thinks and I think he understands what are the next steps. He's like well this is at a minimum a 12-year plan right so a lot of people are like oh there's been a change of government and within you know two years everything's going to be fixed in the world

or you know even RFK announced like oh we're going to find the root causes of autism before September. This is political talk to me, and that's good because they want a deadline, it puts pressure, everyone is scrambling, people around autism or around certain industries are like, oh no, will we get caught? And the cockroaches are scattering, and that's good. But things take time to change.

Like if you change staff at governments, funding studies, and then doing reports, like all of it needs to be done. And he said, guys, this is gonna take time. So I don't expect things to change overnight, but we want to see progress. And what I like at the moment is that at least I see progress in the mentalities

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I'm gonna have my wife back on this year to discuss what we gleaned from that. We're happily married for 13 years, no longer in an open marriage. But we learned a lot from it. We gained a lot from it. People weren't ready for that. I wasn't ready for the response from people,

to be perfectly honest. And I think part of that is, nobody would ever, you know, Rogan says this, no one would ever say that shit to your face. And it's not cause you're a big guy, it's because people know how to act. People remember the growing up, the playgrounds, all those things.

And there's a certain level of, even if they're rude, there's a certain level of, I'm not gonna speak to you that way in public, the way I'll speak to you on a keyboard. And the same can be about, I was teaching my son is about to be 10 years old about this, prepping him for when he, you know, I was teaching, my son is about to be 10 years old about this, prepping him for when he was asking me questions

about going back on social media. And I was saying, you know, there's some things that are good about it and some things that are a lot of problems. And I was explaining some of the problems and the way people treat each other there. It's not the way they treat people face to face. No.

That's true. And I said, it's kind of akin to people behind a car. When they're in the car, there's some degree of separation, right? And they behave much differently. And so as I'm telling them this, perfect, perfect divine synchronicity. We're leaving Jiu-Jitsu and I'm changing lanes,

you know, at a normal pace, driving the speed limit and right as a car behind me is trying to whiz past me in the same lane. So she's got a slam on the brakes, she's in a Mercedes, just kind of hot blonde chick, zooms around me, gives me the double fuck you bird, and my son's sitting passenger seat, so he's getting flipped off, and I was just like,

wow, buddy, I was like, all right, let's see what happens here. She was like, let's see if she slows down. Just jerks in front of us, slams on the brakes, looking back in a convertible, fuck you, fuck you, just like pure venom, right? And I remained calm and my dad was like, why don't you go after her?

Why don't we call the cops? Why don't we do something? Yeah, yeah. And it was like, if she continues to behave that way, especially in the state of Texas, there will be somebody that's not as kind as me where she was gonna learn an unfortunate lesson, but most likely she's just gonna get in a car accident driving like that, which is

a lesson in and of itself. But I don't know her background. She could be, you know, she could have had some really serious bad stuff happen today and I'm there just the piece that helped her pop. Yeah. You know, so I'm not going to take that personally. It was a very valuable lesson. That's harder to do online. And Jordan Peterson brought up this point that in a tribe, when you have an idea that you put forth to the community and someone has a counter to that, it becomes more important than you would normally think it is

at face value because if their idea becomes right and I'm wrong, I'm almost demoted in terms of what my community will think of me. They'll remember the track record of Nick Pino and they'll say, well, Nick was wrong about that. Yeah. And so when you put forth things in the future, and so there is a burning desire, especially from men,

to hold on to being right. And we see this as a problem in relationships and marriages. You don't wanna be right. That's not a good move to try to be right with your wife. But that framework, Jordan's got a lot right, he's got a lot wrong, but I think that framework actually makes sense to me on why it's hard for us

to take shit from somebody who's putting a simple comment out there, the keyboard warrior, without actually doing any research themselves. I wrote on a Rogan post when he had, he recently had Susan Humphrey's MD on his podcast and I was like, finally dude, fucking 10 years ago I was reading this and my son was in the womb And I was like, finally, dude, fucking 10 years ago, I was reading this when my son was in the womb. Yeah.

And I was like, I wish Joe would have her on, you know, and Aaron Rogers talked about her book, you know, and how important that was when he was on his podcast and Tucker Carlson's. And I was like, yes, man, there's a fucking famous guy. He's a buddy. He's talking to me. He's talking to the good talk right now.

And so to finally have her on, I said that was the final straw on why I didn't vaccinate my kids. And of course the comment section is gonna talk about that. Like good luck with measles, good luck with this and that. You know what I mean? It's like, there's a part of me that wants to comment back

and there's other part of me that's just like, I'm really not worried. I'm not worried about my kids. I bet their life that I was correct. Yeah. That's what I did, right? I bet their fucking life that I was correct and I researched the hell out of it and I'm not going to turn on that. So I think, you know, Eisenstein spoke a

lot about this in 2020 with the gaslighting that happened in 2020 and 2021 and how it forces you to confront and really say like, am I nuts right now with what I'm seeing? But you know, you understand the feeling, right? Like my experience cannot be taken from me. And you lean on that. And you lean on all the damn hours and research you put into this because you're not wrong. And all that research is correct. And people who are unaware of that,

they're simply unaware. And I didn't come up with it. I guess I just sometimes I'd have to remind myself. I think my biggest personal problem that I brought to the table is trying to be right or trying to be the expert even when I had two years of experience. I was no expert. I wouldn't call myself an expert but now you know eight years full-time, nine years years jeez I have a lot of stuff in my head I can actually start having original thoughts and I think some of my you know some people online did you know were ruffled the wrong way seeing me on podcast and sometimes maybe saying

things that weren't exactly what they would have said and stuff like that and they're like you know who is this guy and why is he on podcast right now? the reason i was on podcast right now was really that i was so alarmed i'm like look how many people go on the podcast tour or try to contact podcast hosts and talk about ems there's like zero there was was like me, there's a guy, Lloyd Burrell, who is an Englishman living in France who's great. These days he's doing less. There's my colleague Brian Hoyer also who does a lot of mitigation but he doesn't do a lot of interviews anymore. So I was alarmed by

the fact that in year one of this work I got a you know a hundred interview requests and I had to refuse most of them because I don't have enough time I have to actually you know do stuff in my business and I'm like well who else can I recommend there's not a lot of people that want to do video interviews that want to have their face out there so I was alarmed like there was a huge need for information and I felt like it was almost frustrating. Like, why me? Like, why do I have to be doing this

and not some other scientists? And like, everyone's busy. And I'm like, well, I guess I'm gonna be doing it. Like, I will do it. And eventually I took my place. I'm like, well, I guess it's me. I'm gonna do it. Okay, I'll be there.

I'll tell you what the science is all about. And now I just feel like, you know, the gas lighting, I see through it. That's the thing. Rarely do I have a skeptic that has an informed comment. When I do, sometimes it's very tough for me and I'm like, wait a minute. I might be completely wrong on this. And it's like, of course, it's an initial slap in the face like anyone but I'm like wait and if that's the case you know I'll say I was wrong on this and it still happens to this day I'm very far from being infallible but a lot of

people that come in with a seemingly intelligent come and I'm like okay so you have read nothing. Like I see how uninformed they are. So I just simply reply calmly. So what do you think of this scientific paper? And have you seen this? They never reply, they're gone. They're gone because all of a sudden they feel unmasked.

They're like, oh, wait a minute, he actually knows this stuff. They thought it was bullshit because this is what they think tinfoil hatter. They kind of see this thing of this guy online is selling like snake or salesman information. And they come in with all this aggressivity. And I've had a few people send me apologies afterwards. And that takes, but only those that have like the level of humility required and and who looked at the papers and said my god no you're

you're in fact like there's some physics that works it just for that yeah it's not not to feel an apology but it's worth it to have somebody who didn't know yeah actually go and look to have the balls to say yeah maybe he has a point here. I'm gonna look at this and then come back and say, I'm sorry, dude, you had it, right? And to your point on the tin foil hat, like geoengineering was something

that was just all tin foil hatter, right? All tin foil hatter. And I strongly, I had Dean Wiggington on the podcast years ago. He doesn't do podcasts anymore, but he did a documentary, The Dimming. It's on YouTube, I'll link toton on the podcast years ago, he doesn't do podcasts anymore, but he did a documentary, the dimming it's on YouTube. I'll link to it in the show notes. That'll blow your fucking mind.

This doesn't it's, you know, weather, weather changing and all that has been a government tool since the 1950s. There's video footage of our acting president in black and white talking about how they've had this ability to change the weather. And then you just, you think that we're not using that anymore. Like we would the government would create a weapon and never use it again. Like bullshit. There's no reason for that.

Right. But also you can see the difference between a contrail that burns off very quickly and a chemtrail. And so it does give me hope you know that RFK is talking about this. We had him out here for a fundraiser for Maha when he was still running for president. And Luke Story was here, Kelly Means was here. We spoke on some panels here at the farm.

We got to do a sweat lodge with him and the Lakota elder, Chase Ironize has been on the podcast. Awesome, awesome people. And Luke really drilled him up there. He's like, there's two things, I got into health and wellness because of EMF problems and wanted to make sure he was on the same page. He's on the same page.

And the biggest concern I see now, geoengineering, right? But that's another 10, five years ago, tinfoil hat, right? Like five years ago, you know, you're a fucking crazy person if you say they're putting shit in the sky. And it's like, do a hair mineral analysis. Like my son has never had son has never cooked with aluminum, has never eaten anything aluminum, hasn't had any injections that contain aluminum,

and he has high aluminum, right? Like that's coming from the spray. It's coming from the nano spray. So anywho, point being, I don't wanna derail us down that road, but like, I think the more and more, and there's jokes about this now, you know, there's memes about the conspiracy theorists have been right you know the 37 or no now I love the memes yeah there's

there's you know like the senator that said like you got what's the next conspiracy theory because you guys have been right on everything right and so I'm I'm excited to see that at least thanks to the freedom of information act through FOIA, we've seen a lot uncovered. Del Bigtree's team has been incredible. Aaron Singh, who's his main lawyer through FOIA, basically found out. He wrote, he demanded through FOIA, all of the meeting notes from since the Bayh-Dole Act went through on vaccines, where they're supposed to meet every two years to discuss in-house what is safe, what's efficacious,

and are there any problems. Every two years since 1999, 90, effectively, right? And they say, sorry, we can't give those to you. So he puts it through FOIA and the government says, the judge says, give him the damn notes now. Give him the notes. He's not asking for much, right? And then they have to tell the judge,

we actually don't have the notes because we haven't met once. Since we were supposed to meet every two years from the BiDole Act on, we've never met once. They've never had the meeting to discuss efficacy, right? And so like, through freedom of information, through our free speech, and thanks to people like yourself,

and others who are on the front lines Freedom of information through our free speech and thanks to people like yourself and others who are on the front lines as just regular everyday journalists, people that aren't tied to an industry. The scientists don't speak out about this. They don't wanna lose their job. The doctors don't speak out about this. They don't wanna become the quack doctor

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informational products you have a funnel and marketing and you have like nice pictures online and you do you know branding and these like they perceive that as very commercial. They perceive that as very on pure in a sense with EMF activism. This is not how it was done since the 1980s and using the online tools were was not perceived as something you know that something that was leading in the wrong direction, like being commercial or not being completely independent enough, but it gives you the funding to reach more people. So, the site maybe has a dangerous game, it's part of capitalism, whereas the nonprofits were clearly independent, but struggling to get any cash.

Because some of them are just people who spend all their entire life with no salary, which is to me is completely... It's not sustainable. It's not sustainable and it's unsustainable for them. Some of these people would deserve to be paid a hundred an hour for what they do, because they're geniuses at what they do because they've studied the topic their work is so important I find it a shame that they don't get you know a very high pay every year because this is what they deserve for their family for their future and yet you know they put all the hours get none of the returns and you know that's that's something that I chose to do. I'm like I know the online tools, I've done it with nutrition and I can apply this to EMFs like and I have a background in marketing

and copywriting. I can apply this to EMFs like I see a road here and I see that not a lot of people talk a lot of people talk about EMFs. I have to go to the influencers I have to meet the Kyle Kingsbury I have to meet you know Cali means I have to shake their hands I have to tell them guys this is an important topic here's why I have to name the scientists that are unknown I have to like I saw that but they didn't see it but after seven years all of a sudden they kind of see well you've kind of touched you know hundreds of thousands of people in seven years like I see what you're doing now but they I had to it's okay because in the end they had to see that I was not just doing it for commercial purposes

like oh yeah I'm enriching myself and you know, taking this EMF niche, some of them accused like, oh you're taking a niche and you're making money online because of a cool niche. That could be the case. I could, you know, yeah, now I have a, you know, 10 million per year in my company. I don't, you know, I don't have that. I wish. But what I would use it for if I had 10 million a year with my company or with my books, I would reinvest directly to fund scientists or I would at this point probably create a nonprofit. Part of it is yes, maybe I would buy a new home

because I'm trying with my family and my wife's business is in reconstruction. I'm like, yeah, I could use a higher salary and the inflation is going like this and the food prices are going like this and I'm like, yeah, I could use a higher salary and the inflation is going like this and you know the food prices are going like this and I'm like, yeah, a little bit for myself but mostly the vision I have is awareness and use the online tools to talk to more people. Get this message out there more widely because if I could touch a hundred million people and not just you know my list of like I have a

community a little bit over a hundred thousand which is tremendous it's like higher than where I thought it would be at and I'm happy with that and I have to you know be satisfied and be proud of myself but at the same time look towards the future and continue having ambition well you know when you have more funding you can do great things. Like something I would love to see, I was discussing with other activists, is where is the in-person EMF conference where we invite all the best scientists on the planet to one place, they talk to each other, they do research projects. In certain fields you have that. Like I was made aware of the ozone conference the water conference in Bulgaria I think or in Eastern Europe

where the the water researchers have just you know been pushed aside so the the group together and the discuss and the there's an annual event there and they've been holding it for multiple years led by one of them is a Dr. Gerald Pollack that a lot of people know. He's been on the podcast. So you know these guys are meeting and that's like that's an event not so much for the public but just to make sure that scientists collaborate with each other and I'm like I have this idea I'm like okay okay another you know another thousands and thousands of hours of work for me and my team.

And I have no idea how to even organize an event. Like, I do online stuff usually. But I'm like, well, this needs to happen. I don't know who's going to do it. But I don't know. It just feels like eventually I'm at this point of my life, especially two years ago, where I had this shift in my mindset. And I think maybe I left my teenage years in a sense very late.

Or maybe it's just young adult. Like I left my 20s maybe at 35, I'm 37 now. Where I said, well maybe it's my responsibility to do stuff. It's not someone else's. It's like, well, this event doesn't exist. I guess it's my responsibility to now create it. Okay, I can, and not be afraid of, you know, and not let, you know, the uncertainty or the anxiety like, oh, but what if, you know, how can I achieve it? Like a victim, you know, so that energy kind of left and I decided to apply that to a lot of areas in my life

and just made me feel more, and I can now I'm able to, you know, think and ponder about bigger ideas for the movement and things like that. And it feels good. Like sometimes I do overwhelm myself with like, okay, what have I done? Too many responsibilities and stuff like any entrepreneur, I think. But at the same time, I want to see bigger for this movement because a lot of people are thinking small based on what happened before, which is decades of being ignored, gaslit, and some of them are sick personally from the radiation. So that's even, you know,

this bitterness, accumulated anger towards politicians that don't listen and the public that laughs at them and then, you know, no one is hearing their cry of pain. What the heck? Like, if you have that your entire life, it's difficult to feel hopeful towards the future. But I want to try to be a figure in a movement that says, okay, what can we do? How can we be productive and continue moving forward but maybe use the tools, the online tools, create good content that talks about the scientific studies and can we have it go viral? And now I see a lot of my colleagues who talk about environmental go viral. And now I see a lot of my colleagues

who talk about environmental medicine or toxins, like the toxic dad, the toxin dad, Warren Phillips, who's just incredible at what he does. And he did this video on AirPods. And he's like, do you want to put a microwave oven on your daughter's head? And he has this microwave oven and like puts his daughter inside a microwave, you know, and I'm like this guy is crazy. It went viral with like millions of views and people fight

in the comment but it's funny I had an AI tool analyze all the comments. I took like thousands of comments and I put that in the AI tool.'m like what do people think about Airpods in the general population over you know millions and millions of views and it was like a good 25% think it's bullshit and these are mostly engineers and people from the industry that say oh no this is like tinfoil hatter like so but only 25% and then you had 25% convinced this is dangerous. For sure this is dangerous, this is killing us. And 50% are concerned but confused. They're like, well, I think I'm concerned,

but what else can I use? The wires or like how do I use my phone? What about Wi-Fi? What about this? But it was actually this test that I did, it was from three months ago. I'm like, wow, the mentality is changing though. And of course, this is shown to people that maybe will interact more with the content.

So it's probably just a segment of the population. But it's interesting. I see like there are millions of people that could join this movement and at least start talking about the dangers of this tech. You know? Yeah, I think that's a, it's an important piece and it kind of goes... Well, it doesn't kind of... For sure, it goes back to the point you were making earlier on Bobby Kennedy being one guy.

Yeah. Right. That is the real work. It's not to say, all right, cool, Bobby's in, Maha is here, they're firing all the bad guys in government, like good luck with that. Trump talked about cleaning up the swamp in round one and I don't think he cleaned out a damn thing. Yeah. I really don't, you know. Sorry.

All of the pros and cons of his first presidency, I don't think he cleaned much out. And hopefully that's happening on some extent, but these things take times to replace too. You can't just fire everybody and expect things to work better. In the absence of bad, you still need good people in there

making good decisions, doing good work. And so I appreciate the absence of bad, you still need good people in there making good decisions, doing good work. And so I appreciate the point of, it's gonna take longer than people think. I also appreciate the point that it's really up to us to inform people and it's up to those that are curious to inform themselves, right? Like, and I think that's a big reason why, I mean, I'm starting a community this year

in the absence of Fit for Service. I'll still be coaching in Fit for Service. And it makes sense to me that you would have programs and things for people to take on that cost money because yeah, you gotta feed your family. And also at the same time, anytime you give somebody something for free, it's very rare that they change.

It's very rare that they take that and they say like, all right, cool. It's just the buy-in. I've given people free shit, free entry into a class, that kind of stuff. I see them for two weeks out of the 12 weeks. Like the first two weeks they're there, I'm like, cool man, and then they fall off and I'll see them again.

Those are the freebies, right? Those are the scholarship people. And it's not to say that people can't earn scholarships, but generally speaking, there's gotta be some buy buy in for them to really take it serious enough to want to learn and absorb that knowledge and make changes in their lives because, hey, it costs me to do this. So I'm going to damn well do it. I'm going to make sure I do it because it costs me. And that information is that valuable. You know, like it used to be, maybe it used to be that, you know, the topic of health and wellness was around sunshine and movement and just diet and sleep, right?

But like it has expanded due to the modern world. It must include technology. Before we leave people, obviously, where are some of the things, you know, I know we talked about this in our first podcast years ago, but what are some of the best ways for people to mitigate right now? You know, like what are some, obviously we just had Dr. Ibrahim Karim on, which I think is, biogeometry is a phenomenal answer to what's coming,

but at the same time, you know, what are some other steps people can take that you can share with them right now on just how to avoid fucking themselves up with modern technology? That's the best question. Yeah, I would say before sleep, making sure your cell phone is on airplane mode or turned off.

If you cannot do that, put it as far away from your pillow as possible. Or put it in the next room, like a lot of parents have. They don't have a corded landline anymore. That's the case of many parents. They want to have an emergency line, so just you know, charge it in the kitchen or something with ringer on, if it rings you're there, you have an emergency

line, but just make sure that you don't have anything that emits these EMFs, so anything Wi-Fi, Bluetooth needs to go out of the bedroom, just like you know, the bright lights need to go, the invisible also EMFs like this need to go as well. I would say carrying your phone is a big way to expose yourself, especially if you have a phone on your person, touching your body is really the worst way to expose yourself for extended periods of time. So if you carry it for a few minutes, there's no big need to be concerned over that. But it's really, you know, hours every day in the pocket. Like a lot of people would be doing this podcast right now.

They would have a phone in the pocket. Why? It was there. I sat down. I did the interview. Didn't think about it. Well, now you have one hour more exposure. And you know, these antennas are, you know, it's linked with a reduction in testosterone. Doesn't mean you won't have testosterone. Some people are like, well, my testosterone is still good. Good for you, buddy.

But it doesn't mean it's not impacting you. It just means it's a stressor. And therefore, if you put the phone here, just at a slight distance, it's way better. Or you put it over there. If you're at your office, you don't need to have a phone in the pocket. So when you are moving around you can use special cases and things like that but the fertility issues that some men are seeing are linked to cell phone radiation. It's one of the endocrine

disruptors in the environment that is easily forgotten about. We talk about phthalates and plastics and this and that, all of them are endocrine disruptor, it means it's going to change your hormones. Cell phone radiation is an endocrine disruptor, no one talks about it in that sense, they don't understand that it's part of the conversation, it's not a molecule you swallow that's going to change your hormones but it is an agent in an environmental toxin that has a biological effect on your hormone so therefore it's just another endocrine disruptor. So the more you have it in your pocket the more is gonna

disrupt, right? So try to have it on airplane mode it can be worn safely or there are certain cases I see you have you know a fanny pack there are some shielded fanny packs that exist where you put your phone in there. You don't have to worry about it. There's even cases, there's even pockets that you can sew in your pants and they're shielded. There are boxers that exist that can shield your crotch area.

Why not? And especially if you're trying to conceive or to optimize your fertility but then since it also impacts testosterone that's a big concern for men as well that have no intention of conceiving who maybe have been snipped so the reality is that women also should worry about this because the fertility part in men can be renewed in you know two months but women get one set of eggs for life so exposing yourself having like yoga pants and you you talk your phone right in uh I see that all the time it's concerning for future fertility or for hormonal profiles and who has a

normal hormonal profile as a woman these days, it's tough to find. I know my wife just started optimizing her hormones for the first time after knowing for 12 years that they're all screwed up. But finally she's getting into taking the responsibility of like, okay, I'm gonna follow a holistic doc and do this step. So I'm super proud of her.

But at least she's not doing this. And she knows better because, of course, she listens to my stuff a little bit, at least. And she does follow my recommendations. The third place I would say is simply not using something to your head. There is a brain tumor increase risk when you talk on the phone, but a lot of people will replace the phones with the AirPods.

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say all these are good steps and of course spread the word out because none of these should be dangerous right it's like everything should be made the minimum amount of radiation with the maximum of connectivity but that's not how the technology is being built and I think it will be you know a bottom-up approach where a grassroots movement of people demanding safer technologies, I think that works. I think it's going to influence market shares and Apple and Samsung. My prediction, they will either join the party with safer technologies or they will hurt badly from like losing market shares because there's going to be a segment of the population within a few years that will start buying from these health care companies and then Apple and Samsung

will have a hard time like positioning themselves like oh no guys now we have the safe iPhone but again yes well the other ones were unsafe so they will be perceived as increasingly negative whereas right now especially Apple is like you know all pure white and you, it's part of your lifestyle and they will have a hard time maintaining their brand like this around health. If they don't, you know, account for these things, they've started, you know, dabbling in it a little bit with telling you your screen time and you know, these little features here and there. But the yellow light mode and the blue light mode, that kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly. So they started dipping their toe into it

because they see the interest. And then I think there's gonna be also a top-down approach that we have to think about where, okay, our politicians right now, it's, you know, Trump, RFK, the MAHA, maybe in four years is gonna be a different government. I sure hope that we're gonna continue the work that starts right now to clean up the FCC or whoever is gonna look at the safety of our technology. All I'm asking is that

the way we test our devices should be the way that people use them. It's very simple and right now we're, very far from it. Yeah. Well, that was fantastic, brother. Dude, you've got such a wealth of knowledge. I'm stoked that you're able to make it here after coming to town for the Health Optimization Summit. I don't know, they're going to run back in Austin. It would be cool to see them next year. Do you know what their plans are? I don't know. I haven't listened to the closing remarks. I'll reach out. I'll reach out to Michelle and see because she's still doing some stuff with them.

I still get emails from her at Paleo FX, but it'd be great to pop in there. We were just out camping this over this last week, so missed out on it. But I love it when they bring awesome people to town like yourself, and then I get to nab you for a podcast. It's excellent. Anytime you're in town, we can jump on together and riff. And thank you so much for your time, brother. Where can people follow you online? Where can people learn more from you? The EMFguide.com and my book is The Non-Tinfoil Guide to EMFs. It's on Amazon.

It's everywhere. Perfect, brother. Thank you so much, Nick. Thank you.