Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #404 Exploring Sensual Empowerment & Pleasure As Medicine w/ Mama Gina

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

In this episode, the host welcomes Regina Thomashauer, known as Mama Gina, to discuss her journey and experiences as a women's empowerment advocate. Mama Gina is the author of 'Pussy: A Reclamation,' and she shares her insights on women's empowerment through pleasure and orgasm. The conversation covers her personal healing journey, which involves overcoming childhood trauma, embracing pleasure, and learning about ancient goddess cultures. Mama Gina talks about her transformative experience with orgasm and pleasure practices at Lafayette Morehouse and her subsequent journey to teach these practices to other women. The discussion also touches upon the societal challenges women face, the importance of pleasure and self-love, and how these can lead to true empowerment. Mama Gina also shares her first ayahuasca experience in the Amazon rainforest and how it helped her purge self-doubt and limiting beliefs.    Connect with Mama Gena here: Mama Gena's website: mamagenas.com Self-Pleasure Sovereignty Series (the freebie Regena mentioned): - mamagenas.com/selfpleasuresovereignty Mama Gena's blog: mamagenas.com/blog Mama Gena's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mamagena/   Our Sponsors:   Looking for Shilajit? Head over to blacklotusshilajit.com and enter code KKP to receive 15% off your orderD EARN in gold and silver. Click link below for a great discount! monetary-metals.com/kkp If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM. Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU10 to claim your 10% discount. Go to AliveWaters.com and use code: KKP for 33% off your first order. Get back to nature. Go to EarthRunners.com and use the code KKP at checkout for 10% off.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome to today's podcast. We have for the first time, and actually a couple years in the making here, Mama Gina, Regina Thomas-Howell, author of Pussy, a Reclamation on the podcast. I'm super stoked to bring you guys this one. Met Mama Gina a couple of years ago, I think at an Arcadia event.

I actually got to spend five days with her in the same house with her amazing partner, Peter, and just fell in love with her. I had heard of her through a ton of mutual friends. The podcast was up in works and I missed her at one time coming out here, but I thought, no, I gotta make sure this is face to face. And after staying with her, she was on my mind.

It was like, this is gonna be a great podcast for sure. She's an amazing person and I really wanna deep dive with her. And then one of our mutual friends, Jade Bryce, who she also did an amazing podcast with, I'll link to in the show notes. She hit me up, she's like, mom, Regina's coming to town.

I'm like, let's go. So I had a blast having her out to the house, introducing to the family. I think this house was being built when we were together at Arcadia. So it was really cool for her to get the tour and get to come into my life. I've been a huge fan of hers.

She is an incredible person when it comes to women's empowerment through pleasure practice in particular. We talk about her healing journey and so much more and just really just an exceptional person who I am thrilled to know. We will do more podcasts in the future for sure. Share this one with friends, leave us a five star rating

and enjoy the podcast. Mama Gina, welcome to the podcast. I have been a fan of yours for a while and I'd love to say that I'm a friend of yours. True. Since getting to hang with you at Arcadia for a week. We got to spend, what was it? Six days together in the same house. That was so cool. And it was so cool because you know, I hear a lot about people and from good people, right? So like I heard about you through Emily Fletcher, through Jade Bryce, through Vailana, through Aubrey,

through Layla, so many great people that were all kind of connected to you in various ways, some living with you, some working with you, and nothing but awesome stuff. And then to spend that week with you, it was really awesome to really feel that energy from you, that you lived it, right? It wasn't like a thing that you were

able to give to other people and then maybe live out of that nature like you are that loving presence. And it was so cool. And I could feel that also in your partner, Peter, how much he adored you and adores you and just how rad that is. Yeah, it's so good. And it was so much fun for me.

It was my first time getting to meet the crew, the guys, the team, this beautiful community of friends that are so deeply committed and like-minded and have so much love and expansiveness. And then to learn about your work and to learn about your history and your martial arts and I loved experiencing your videos online with your wife and with Baron Wolfie and everybody eating oysters out of a can and I was really happy to see that because I thought that is like a practical easy meal you can throw in your purse on the road and so nutritious so I was learning things that's awesome continue. I'm happy you like the oyster video.

Yeah. You know I can I can preach all day long on there but when you actually do something people are more interested. More people watch me eating oysters with the family than saying like hey eat oysters and eat beef liverwurst. This is where I get it from. Yeah. I'm not all the way on board with the beef liverwurst yet, but you know you'll get me over time. Have you tried the liverwurst though? Dude I have not. You really think I got to pull the plug in? You're gonna try it before you leave. Not all the way on board with the Beef and Liverwurst yet, but you'll get me over time. Have you tried the Liverwurst though? Dude, I have not. You really think I got to pull the plug in? You're going to try it before you leave.

I have a bunch today. I just got another 30 pounds in. I promise you. You do not fuck around, I like to say. You do not. You're just like, when you are all in, you are all in. And that is the story with you. The kids eat it every morning.

It's their breakfast. Is it OK if I say fuck now and then? You can say fuck, you can say anything you like, absolutely. Highly likely that I might say it again. That's okay, we can say pussy, we'll say there's no words, I'm not allowed here. But yeah, I wait for the sale 15% off and then I buy in bulk.

Because they come frozen, so that's really what it is. It's expensive, but it doesn't taste like organ meat. It's 20% liver, 20% kidney. I've had raw kidney, and it tastes like piss. I mean, it does. It should. That's where it's coming from, right? Can't stand it.

Can't fake it. Raw liver, like if we harvest the animal here and we eat liver right after it's fresh, it's that hour. That's OK. But any other way of preparing it is just not gonna work. And the kids want flavor. So these come precooked, they're medium rare. This is a great ad for a company

that I have nothing to do with, but just love them, right? 10% heart, 50% beef trim, pre-season, pre-salted. And so all you have to do is warm it up. You can eat it cold on a cracker with cheese. We like to fry them in a pan and have them with eggs. They're incredible. And we were talking like absolute superfood. Okay. You know you do that twice a week. Oysters, liverwurst twice a week. You're set. Your hormones are set. Okay. Everything's set. I'm already enhanced and

we've only been together for five minutes so I don't even know where this is gonna go but I'm so excited to be here on the ride with you. Absolutely. I'm super pumped too. Well let's not waste any more time on, if you want to know more, follow me on Instagram. Tell me about your life growing up and tell me about what has molded you into your trajectory and all of your passions and everything that you've grown into as a teacher

and a mentor for so many. What shaped you? I think, first of all, super interesting question. No one's ever asked me that as the opening question on a podcast. I'm delighted to receive it because I think, you know, it's those early years where our dreams and our desires and our longings and get planted inside of us that become the seeds of the human beings that we become. And my background, I was born to my parents were children of immigrants that had to flee their native countries, which is, you know, it's a deep and it can be a very, I don't know, I think you end up trying to fight

for a sense of home or belonging in a way that perhaps you don't if you've been in a place for many generations. Some of the immigrant parents that had to flee their countries were at places where Jews were persecuted. And so they were people that were very bought into the American dream. My dad was a doctor, my mom a homemaker, and they were all about like fitting into the culture, leaving behind all of the traditions that they came from and wanting to be part

of this new world. And I had two brothers, one older, one younger. And we had, in my family, there was an experience for me of domestic violence. From the time I was a child, there were, I think, all of this unprocessed experiences. And so I had that experience while I had a middle class upbringing outside of Philadelphia and grew up in just like a neighborhood like other kids but I had this deep wounding that I didn't even realize because we don't evaluate home when we are coming from our home we just think that's what all homes are like. I had no idea, but I did know that I felt that I could remember this experience when I was five years old, where I woke up and I had been a really excited, enthusiastic

child. When I woke up one day, I thought, whoa, something's of matter. I'm not looking forward to the day today. And I thought, something has to be wrong. What's going on that I'm a child and I'm not looking forward and I don't know why? And so I thought, I have to solve this in my lifetime, why this would happen to a child or maybe other children.

I have to source a solution for that. Now, why I thought I had to be responsible for that. I have no idea, but that was the lane I was in. So around that time, I had this experience when I would go to sleep at night, I'd be lying in my bed and I could feel the goddess coming to me. Now, we don't have goddess in Jewish. There's none. It does not exist. I don't think they exist in the Abrahamic religions. You could kind of get close with Mother Mary or something like that.

Yeah, but not even, right. Not the goddess. Yeah. So, but I could feel this beautiful presence and it would feel like, I don't know, like as if somebody was pouring butterscotch on my skin. I just felt this like melty, beautiful aliveness and I would turn to look at her because I want to think I'd want to see all that beauty and she would disappear. So I learned something that the goddess lives in the periphery and I thought okay this is my job. I have got to find her and I

will bring her back in my lifetime. And I started from the time I was a little kid, I would get my Catholic friend, Susan Murphy and her family to take me to church because church had Christmas and stained glass and I thought it's highly glamorous there and it's likely the goddess is there. And it's likely the goddess is there. But of course, no. And then I was snuck into other synagogues. I went to friends meeting and to Russian Orthodox. Basically, all the neighborhood churches and temples and things where I was growing up. But I never, ever found her.

And then my family took us to Israel. And I thought for sure the Holy Land, she hasn't been here. No, she was not. So I kind of hung up my little Sherlock Holmes cap and magnifying glass and I stopped looking for her. And I went ahead to college where I studied theater and graduated, came to New York. And by the way, that abuse that I experienced went all the way from babyhood until I was 16. But meanwhile, I never knew, and I thought all families had that,

and I didn't really know its impact on me. But when I came to New York to be an actor, because I majored in theater arts and English literature. When I came to New York to be an actor, I could not set one foot in front of the other. I was just stopped by a lack of confidence, low self-esteem, self-doubt. I didn't understand why I was frozen, why I couldn't take

risks, why I was depressed, why I just wanted to hide and not pursue my dream. And so I sort of kind of cycled back after I met with some success, I had some regional theaters and some shows in New York, but I just could not move ahead because I knew I didn't know who I was as a woman and I thought I have no place on a stage if I don't even know who I am as a woman. So I tried all the routes like therapy and so forth to try to source solutions for myself, but I got nowhere. So I became more or less a hermit in my 20s. I waited tables. I taught Hebrew school. I had all kinds of interesting jobs that allowed me to have. New York is the coolest place to go when you want to be a hermit because no one will find you there.

It is such a big city and there's so much going on that you can evaporate and I did. And I cut myself off from my friends and from my family and for a decade I researched ancient goddess culture, indigenous practices, I think I was trying to kind of start and my own religion, but just with myself, like me studying, I was like, and it was so interesting to learn about the practices of the goddess as through the work of Maria Gumbutis, Joseph Campbell, Ryan Eisler, Carl Jung, the archetypes, because it's so different from the patriarchal religions. Instead of the duality of right and wrong, the ancient goddess traditions were about the holy in everything, like the sacredness of the water, of the earth beneath our feet, the

sacredness of the way this chair is receiving our bodies in connection with each other right now, the holy in animals and plants. And I just was astonished at what I was learning that that was how the Pachamama, or the divine feminine, had been regarded historically, 30 to 40 to 50,000 years prior. Or at least, you know, there, um, the goddess traditions

were, had been worshiped for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. It's really just since, you know, the birth of Christ that she's been vaporized from the leading world religion. So I was like, hmm, this is super fascinating. And yet it doesn't seem to be getting me anywhere to be, you know, I'm still basically a hermit living alone in an apartment in New York City studying this stuff. And I really need to do something. And I was lucky that I had a passion for theater

because it had me strike out and go to an acting class. And in my audition for this particular class, they said, you're a good actor, Regina, but you have no connection with your sexuality or your sensuality. Not a bad thing, you'll just be cast in roles that are probably twice as old as you are. And I was like, that is not cool. So I thought I better take it as brutally honest.

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living alone and I was now in a room full of, to me looked like freaky hippies and weirdos. I mean, I was the biggest weirdo. And I was like, I do not belong here. I do not belong here. I do not belong here. But I'm going to try. And so I made it through the first session.

And then I got in a cab. And I went back to my apartment. I was like, I am safe here. I will never leave this place. And then about an hour later, I was like, get back in a cab, Regina. Your life will never, ever change unless you do something. So I went right back in that classroom, spent the afternoon learning more things about

human beings and sensuality and communication and differences between men and women and the power of pleasure and then they sent us home with a homework assignment. That literally changed my life. And by the way, the course was delivered by a school which was at that time called Moore University, but is now called Lafayette Morehouse. And it's in outside of San Francisco in a small town. The name is escaping me at the moment, but it will come back soon. So I was given the assignment to go home and

treat myself as if I was the most important person in the world and that was gonna be hard for me because I thought I was the most unimportant person. I didn't just think I was. I actually had living proof that I was the most important and invisible person in the world. And so what you were supposed to do was to prepare as if this most important person was coming to your house and you were going to entertain them. to entertain them. Well, all right. So I went to the little deli on the corner and I got like some almonds and some, I don't know, chocolate and sparkling water and some candles and some flowers and it's the first time I think probably in many, many years that I'd done something pleasurable for myself, for me. I was used to, when I was growing up, taking care of my parents, taking care of my grandparents, taking care of my brothers, taking care of all the people that I worked for, my bosses,

my students. I knew how to take care of people. I think most women do. We are taught early how to take care of others. But taking care of ourselves, that was a new practice for me. And so, and I noticed that suddenly, instead of being the most invisible person,

all the guys who worked in the bodega were suddenly trying to help me pick out my flowers and help me find my Pellegrino water. Why? Because pleasure changed me. Doing something pleasurable changed the woman I was, even in the planning stages. And I was like, whoa, this is fascinating. But I whipped my very shy ass out of that shop, ran upstairs to my apartment, cleaned up the whole damn place, probably for the first time in way too long, prepared a bath, put on the music, lit the

candles, put out my little snacks, had my Pellegrino soaked in the tub like a queen, got out of the tub and I was ready for part two of the assignment. This is where the game changed. Part two of the assignment was you're supposed to be naked and look at yourself in the mirror. I hadn't done that except how we use mirrors as women. Well-known secret amongst women. We used mirrors to criticize ourselves. We're like, oh god my eyes are puffy. I have some new wrinkles. Oh god my hair. It's a bad hair day. Or for me, it's like, do I need to wash my hair today? You know, it's like, we are looking for what's wrong, instead of what's beautiful, what's spectacular,

what's holy. And so looking in the mirror, I was supposed to only look for my own beauty. And so I looked in the mirror and I saw my body and I thought, um, kind of beautiful actually. And I saw my back. I'd never seen my back in the mirror. I never looked. Or the bottom of my feet. They wanted us to see and learn to appreciate ourselves. In the final moment, I looked at my own reflection with nothing but approval. And when I did that, I saw something that changed my life because I saw in my own reflection the goddess

that I'd been searching for my entire life. the goddess that I'd been searching for my entire life. She'd been hidden inside of me and I had no idea and my first thought on seeing her, I was like, oh, that's where she lived. Okay, I have to tell every single woman because women do not know that they are holy. And I was quite studied in my religious practices, because my family were Orthodox Jews. And so I knew that God was created, man was created in God's

image. But I didn't know that he was created in mine. I didn't know that there was the holy in me. And it was and literally, as soon as I saw that, I thought that's, this is my calling. I have to teach women that they're divine because they don't know. And women walk around thinking, oh, our breasts are the wrong size, our, we're too fat, we're too thin,

we're too old, we're too disqualified. And I thought if we only knew we were sacred we wouldn't have to worry with all that bullshit. So of course I did not strike out at that moment because I knew I needed to learn a lot of things first but what I ended up doing was studying more with the people of Lafayette Morehouse. And their main practice at their school is the study of female orgasm. Now, I had not had a partner for like literally a decade because I'd had this unbelievable boyfriend that was so great when I was in high school. We were together for seven years. But when I realized like, I didn't, I couldn't make it better,

even though he was so loving and so wonderful that I broke up with him. And then I had other experiments sometimes with women but I just knew, I don't know anything about this. And so I'm just gonna stop playing this game. And now here was a school that was studying orgasm and I was a celibate hermit and I was like, sign me up. I'm going in big like because when I go, I go big. And

so I moved from my hermit life into a sex commune. Thank God and goddess and all of the spirit guys and the ancestors for that opportunity because it literally changed every cell of my being. And I took their course of study. I took every single course they had. I did every assignment I was all in. They had a course called the ESP, the expansion of sexual potential, where you learn, actually learn how to come. You lie on a kind of a massage table or gynecological table type thing and certified master teachers who have their doctorates in sensuality stroke your pussy, they're dressed, you're naked, and you have other women who are modeling for you. And I learned how to come at like really get off like, like a banshee. Like I learned how to take this body. And I learned

how to set her loose in the world of orgasm. I went further than that. After I lived with them for four years, the best education I could ever dream, I moved out on my own, decided to write my own courses, start my own practice. I began to study with Drs. Vera and Steve Bodansky, who had been certified and trained by Morehouse, and they certified me. Now, what is a certification? It took me many years to graduate this but it is a program where you cannot graduate until you can have a three-hour orgasm. Damn! Bam bam bam bam bam! Hermit to Hellion in a few years. So I actually, I told them, because I told them, I'm like, I'm never going to do a demo in public.

By that time, I had started the School of Film and the Arts, and I thought it would be a little uncool if Mama Gina was even in the early stages, like naked on a table, having some guy who is not her husband or partner stroke or pussy for an hour in front of the public. And I thought maybe that won't really be a great idea to do that.

But life led me a different way. Because the Badanskis, I'd hired them to come to New York to do the demo for the public. They had just come out with their first book called Extended Massive Orgasms, a marvelous, marvelous book, a very good beginner guide if you want to learn about this practice of extending and expanding the female orgasm.

And the very day that the Bodanskis were supposed to deliver the course, and there were 100 people attending because their first book had come out, Vera needed to go to the hospital because she had What we later found out was colon cancer, but on her way out to the hospital. She turned to me and she said Darling, would you mind going on for me? And of course I said, of course I will. And so I had to do the demo that day.

And have a one hour orgasm in front of 100 people that had come there to see the Dr. Smidansky do the demo, but it was me. So that was, and it turned out Kyle, I could not have been literally, I was the most shy, invisible person in the world. And there I was naked on a table in New York City having a one-hour orgasm. And I had the time of my life. And I owe it all to them. It was really cool. It was really cool. And the first thing I said when I was done, I cannot wait to do this again. This's gonna be so damn good. I bet that would have been the first thing out of my mouth. Oh my god. Oh my god. And I actually, a month later, we did another demo because and I had a beautiful opportunity to train with them because they ended up because of the

circumstances they lived with me and my partner for a number of months. And I got to train even further. And it was a beautiful, beautiful time. So I was born from orgasm. Kind of like Aphrodite came from the half shell. I came from pussy. I sprung from pussy. And that gave rise to my work. And when I actually, and so first thing I want to say

is I have nothing but love and gratitude for every part of my upbringing. Because without that, I would never be the woman I am. It was a gift. It was a challenge, like, to understand how to own every part of me, but I would never have taken the risks I've taken if I had not had the challenges that my family gave me and provided for me.

So that was like a springboard that allowed me to become Regina, which includes the subcategory of Mama Gina, who's dominated a lot of my life. Absolutely. That is that is incredible. Really? Oh, 100 percent%. That is absolutely incredible. I mean, I remember reading, I think I might have talked about this when Emily was on the first time, but there was a book I got in college

that totally shifted my orientation during sex, and it was called She Comes First. That's such a good book. It's especially for men, because it's like, it takes, I had every pressure as a male to oh fuck I haven't you know I gotta rub one out that way I last longer than 30 seconds you know like the list goes on and on and anxiety and all the things and when you just flip the tables to

pleasure her, don't even put your penis in, get her Get her to orgasm. And then you're fine. And then sex would be even better. It was like, you can have multiple orgasms. Men cannot. But also the fact that it just takes all pressure off. Yeah. You're like, oh, I know if I check this box. She's happy. Exactly.

Doesn't matter if I take 30 seconds or 30 minutes. It's going to have fun. And there won't be guilt or anything like that. There won't be self-judgment or anything like that. There won't be self judgment or anything like that. And so I really appreciated that book to begin with. It's pretty mind blowing. And I think a lot more people understand now. But for a long time, I'd meet at least half the women I met

had never had an orgasm before. Right. And that still remains a thorn in our society's side. Right? It is not done. That story is not over. Because think about it, Kyle, like where do little boys and little girls learn about sex online? They watch porn.

Now porn is about the most unpleasurable sexual demonstration that you could possibly even imagine like it is goal oriented. It's fuck oriented. It's ejaculation oriented. And that it's not playful. It's not about connection. It's not sensual. It's not about her extending and expanding her pleasurable experience. So the woman is basically a receptacle. And so we're raising kids that are taught, to women, that little girls are taught, oh, they're supposed to just be a receptacle

and all the action happens with the cock. I mean, the culture around when my daughter was growing up and even still today, it's like boys are getting the blow jobs in the halls at junior high school. It's not like girls that are getting their pussies stroked or tenderly touched. That's not what's happening. And so it takes a very confident young woman or young man to open. One of the things I'm most proud of is like, I've been in business for a long time. Like my school's almost 30.

And so I have had the privilege, like when my first book came out, I think it was 2004, Mama Gina School of Womenly Arts came out. And at my very first book came out, I think it was 2004, Mom and Gina School of Womenly Arts came out. And at my very first book signing, this red haired girl, she's 14 and she comes to the book signing and I like pull her aside and I'm like, what are you doing here?

Don't you know my book says pussy in it? Like what, why are you here? And she said, no, your book is my favorite book that I ever read. And I'm like, why? And she said, because, your book is my favorite book that I ever read. And I'm like, why? And she said, because I go to high school and in high school, girls hate themselves. And your book was the first book I ever heard. The sound of a woman who loves herself.

And it's changed me and changing my girlfriends. And I'm having a reading group with other girls in my grade. So that young woman kept in touch with me and about, I don't know, maybe eight years later she writes me an email and she said, guess what? I'm like, what? I just had sex for the first time. And I'm like, it's cool. I'm so glad. That's great. Well, tell me everything. And she said, it was amazing because I've been able to tell by the way a boy touches me if he's a good man. And this boy, he touched me like I was a princess. And so for the we went very, very slow, and we got to know each other's bodies.

And the first time we had sex, it felt so good. And I felt so loved and thank you. So I was just like this is why I did it all. This is it. I arrived. But really the real reason I did it all was because when I gave birth to my daughter, that's when I started the School of Womanly Arts because you know how it is because you have two kids. Don't you feel part of a lineage suddenly? 100%. Oh my god. It's suddenly, instead of just being this little isolated

spinning molecule, you're like, I am a legacy. I am part of my ancestors. And I am here to be responsible for generations to come. Yes. And so I felt like, whoa, I have a daughter. What am I doing to make sure that the world can handle who and what a woman is? Because currently the world has no clue who and what a woman is. In fact, women are disparaged, despised, put down, abused. Suddenly we cannot, you know, in my lifetime, I have lost the right to have an abortion. My daughter is growing up in a world where if she has an unwanted pregnancy, she certain states of this country, she cannot have an abortion. I had a privilege that she now lacks. So stay on the campaign trail for a while because we have a lot of rights to uphold as women and a lot of a world to educate about the sacred and the holy in a woman's body, just as much as it exists in a male body. So it was for Maggie that I started the school. I thought I'll make change. And I know that change starts through women. We are the leaders,

like it's through the mamas. We didn't get into this problem because it's, you know, we live in a patriarchal culture, but it's not because anything is wrong with men. Men are beautiful and incredible and amazing and sacred. But sometimes women have not educated their men to the truth of who a woman is. And so it's time for us to learn that truth ourselves, which is why I started with women, and then to educate the men and women of this world. Just to kind of balance the scale some.

Yeah, I love that. And that that brings a greater degree of polarity and relationship to, you know, the man to hold the divine masculine, to hold theity in relationship too. You know, it allows the man to hold the divine masculine, to hold the feminine in its fullness. Yes, yes, yes, yes. My, I had read a lot of things and, you know, my parents, there was, you know, a lot of fighting growing up. They divorced at 13.

I was mortified to be around girls, couldn't talk to them, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah. And never really had contact with the goddess until my first sit with Ayahuasca and was like, holy shit. Whoa, tell me everything. Well, I mean, it's, I'll tell you, I'll give you the, I'll give you the highlight reel. I could see trees communicating with one another. Oh yeah. Like with my eyes open, it was a day ceremony and I was like, holy shit, they're conscious. And I could feel their presence. I even walked back from the restroom

at one point and heard the whisper in my right ear, feed me. And I looked over and I was like what the fuck and just immediately collapsed on all fours and purged on the tree. And I was like damn I'm shaking my body's like just moving so much and And I was like, did that fucking tree just talk to me? And when I went back later at the end, I talked to the to the maestro's and told them what happened. They're like, oh, yeah, they can't drink ayahuasca. We could port for them, but it wouldn't work. It needs to go into your body and work its way through in order to come back out so they can experience. And I was like, wow, maybe that's just

it's not a shaman talk, but it resonated on so many levels. And a lot of teachings that I had heard from my boxing coach was a mestizo and Aztec, we two was an amazing guy, he got me into the park work and sweat lodges and so much of the indigenous cultures. You know, so I, but still it was like reading a book at times where like, okay, everything is consciousness, everything was sacred.

Um, but to experience that firsthand on a visceral level just blew me out of the water. And, uh, I'll say my, my very first vision people listen to this podcast, know it, but my very first vision, I became my wife, Natasha partner at the time and relived every argument we had ever had in our whole relationship up to that point of like three or four years. As her, shorter, looking up at me, yelling at me,

but as the words came out, I could simultaneously hear them as Kyle. It was like it translated for me for the first time. That's beautiful. Oh, it, I couldn't talk about that without pouring out crying for two weeks. Yeah, she is amazing in the way she held you there. So that you could truly, truly find new ways to open to the love that you have inside of you. And to be able to

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I had the vision of our daughter a few years early, and then she comes along and it's been such a beautiful trajectory for us. One of the biggest things that helped me though is what you spoke about earlier, you know, the childhood is a gift. Yeah. And so I learned a lot of what not to do in relationship through seeing my parents, in particular, how they communicated with one another, how often they yelled, you know, how often they were screaming and shit like that. And, and I had never really seen it work. I'd been to like friends houses who they remained married. You know, their parents were married.

But I didn't see this like true love. I didn't see, you know, there was an ability to refrain from screaming at one another that I didn't experience. But it wasn't necessarily like this purity of respect and love for one another. And I felt, you know, we would have, my wife and I would have conversations, especially as we were pregnant, as she was pregnant,

but you know, we just knew like if we're ever in a fight, there's no yelling at each other in front of the kids. Like that's out. Like that's a hard agreement, hard line in the sand. If we need to wait till our kids go to bed so that we can hash it out, that's okay. Still preferably without yelling, no name calling ever, any of these things.

And I was trying to explain that to my son the other day, like what a gift that is to have that, you know, to not have to carry the weight of what that experience is like. And having a little girl thinking about, you know, seven generations forward and back, the greatest gift that I can give her is to model what the divine masculine looks like in relationship for her so that when she goes out and searches for a man,

you know, she, she picks the right guy. Yeah. Now let me ask you a quick question about Wolfie. What do you call her down there? Her private. Yoni. We call it a Yoni. Okay.

Can I make a suggestion to you and please you know reject it or accept it. Pussy? No oh god no no no no like the name that I taught my daughter I mean you know my daughter with is sassy and she would always like she knew that I use the word pussy but the word that I taught her was vulva. Why? Because that is the correct terminology. Like when you use the word yoni, it's not English. If she's going to kindergarten or if she's hanging out with a group of her friends and she is on a seesaw or something and she bumps her yoni and she runs to another

mom and she says, my yoni, I bumped my yoni. The mother will be like, where's what? What? But if you say vulva, the other moms will know, oh, well, the, you know, she's got a little boo boo on her vulva. Okay, we can handle that. Like, we have a tendency in our culture, you know, to not name the part of the body that is most essentially feminine.

Like when I teach a course of 1000 women, and I'll say, what did your parts get called? They'll say things like coochie and snatch and peach and purse and Walter Winchell and front bottom. Walter Winchell. Probably 50%. I know. Believe me, I did not make these things up.

I don't know how that happened. But can you imagine those parents? Oh, you're Walter Winchell. You have a little diaper rash on the Walter Winchell, darling. But half of the women, when I say, what did that get called, they say nothing. OK, but why is that a problem? Well, when you something doesn't have a name,

because this is your hand, and that's your head, and that's her nose and don't know what it's called. And therefore she begins to be ashamed of the most essentially source, central feminine aspect of herself. And she begins to doubt herself, and doubt if she's right, or she might be wrong, or doubts her body doubts her confidence, it just sets a whole network and we don't do that to our little boys like when I up I'll say to a room full of guys when I'm teaching men I'll say what did your parts get called and they'll say penis what's your problem. never like some women will say to me oh I have a vagina my parents were very advanced and they felt very comfortable I don't have a vagina and I'll say that's fine but you can't see the vagina the person that sees your vagina is your

gynecologist with a speculum and the vagina is the anterior portion and it means sheath in Latin but the vulva is the exterior of your of a female genitalia that includes the outer lips, the inner lips, the clitoris, and the introitus. So it's important to give your little girl the name because it gives her potency, gives her power, gives her security. She knows that she's right, that this is her pointer finger, that is her thumb, that is her vulva, that is her belly button. It gives her a sense of power.

And my daughter always knew vulva when she was growing up, but when she went to kindergarten, she comes back one day and she's like, says something like about her vagina. And I'm like what? And I said since when do we call that a vagina? It's your vulva. And she said well everyone at school is calling it a vagina. So I marched myself in there. I sat myself down in front of her kindergarten teacher.

And I was like can you please explain to me why my daughter is now, who knows it's a vulva, is coming home calling it a vagina? And her kindergarten teacher was like a little bit like, she was cool actually, but she was like surprised and semi-delighted and she heard my concern and she said, no, you're absolutely right. We gotta correct that. And she spoke to the principal about it.

And the next thing I knew, I was teaching sex ed for primary school parents at her school. Wow. Which I was delighted to do, but it's important for us because we, you know, little boys, we teach them they have a penis. We don't say you have a scrotum.

You know, we're like, that is your penis say you have a scrotum. You know, we're like, that is your penis. That is your scrotum. They are two different things. They're both valuable and important. And for our little girls, we say nothing. And then maybe we say vagina. So it's just in the beginning, there was the word. So we need the word to begin. Yeah, words are potent. Absolutely. Absolutely. That completely resonates. You've done, I mean, I want to get a couple of pieces here. I loved your podcast with Leila. It was fantastic.

The last one you guys did, which really spoke to your whole story through relationships, her whole story through relationships, and your guys, you know, where you interplay with each other. And it's all linked to in the show notes. It was fantastic.

Um, both of you coming from different backgrounds, but somewhat similar, similar, right? You have had to do a great degree of healing work in order to step into your full expression way. And for me personally, to be the man that I am today, I couldn't have done that without plat medicines. Like that was the thing that really allowed me to break through, to not see myself even in fighting,

to not have any attachment when I was ready to leave the sport. Like I didn't, I didn't have no identity as a fighter. You know, like, yeah, sure. Warrior spirit's alive in me today. But there was no, it wasn't stuck. Like when I retired from football at ASU, it fucking broke me as a lot of guys, you know?

Like it really was the dark night of the soul. Yeah. And so I have so much gratitude for that. But there are many paths up the mountain. You know, Leila went to India. I'd love for you to talk a bit about your healing journey and even if some medicines like MDMA might come into that play and how that's allowed you to live deeper within yourself. Mm hmm. My biggest medicine was pleasure and orgasm. You know, pleasure heals. It is where I was like. It was a missing element when, you know, I literally went from the most invisible person to a woman that was ready to set the world on fire

by teaching women about pussy and pleasure. I started the School of Womanly Arts in my living room. And I, from that, literally within a year or the first 18 months of starting the School of Womanly Arts and developing that curriculum, I was on the front page of the style section of the New York Times. I got 14 book offers. I was on Conan O'Brien. I was on 2020. I was on the Today Show. And it was only, I was only willing to have that level of visibility because orgasm and pleasure changes your chemistry. It turns on your neurotransmitters,

including prolectin, serotonin, betadendorphin. And so you are literally able to instead of shifting my chemistry at you know I've since graduated to plant medicines and other things that you've mentioned we'll get there but literally a woman we have eight thousand or ten thousand some people say nerve endings dedicated to pleasure and when you turn those on and when you can experience that power and that potency in your body, it heals you forwards and backwards in time. I was able to connect to my voice, to my confidence, to my power.

I was able to live the mission I had. I went from invisible to not just visible but provocative as fuck. Like to be a young mom and in my case a single mom raising my child on the fuel of pussy power with no partner, no support. Like myself leading the pleasure revolution started in my living room with 12 women, ultimately leading thousands and thousands. I've taught over 80,000 people, like, and the least likely to even emerge from the cave. That's, that was me.

So, and it was powered through orgasm, through being able to flip my switch. And, you know, you're an athlete, you understand the potency of practice. Pleasure is a practice, pleasure is a discipline. And when you do not have the discipline of pleasure in your life, your life can be rather mediocre at best

because you are not using the fullness of who you are. You are not igniting those 8,000, 10,000 nerve endings. You are not flooding your body with all that nitric oxide. You are not bringing yourself to life. And so I think it's the obligation of women to bring themselves to life. And so I think it's the obligation of women to bring themselves to life. Why? Because the voice of woman is the greatest untapped natural resource on this planet. And the time to tap is now. And we do not have to wait for the white knight or the prince or someone to give us permission to live our fullness

like we have access ourselves. But we weren't taught to put the key in our own ignition and turn that baby on and take her down the highway. We were taught to be like Sleeping Beauty and just like lie there and look pretty until the prince comes. A wrong and you know no prince wants you know, no prince wants, you know, a sleeping beauty, he wants an alive full woman. So I, I believe in the healing power of pleasure. And it doesn't, you know, if you're somebody that's scared of touching your body, or touching your pussy, or even looking at your pussy, you can start in other simple ways, there's potency and power, as you say,

in, like like experiencing the beauty of nature of allowing your body to just be exploded by a dazzling sunrise or sunset. That turns on the neurotransmitters or even like just like gently caressing your own hand you can feel the tingling and the aliveness of the goddess running through you with a simple self-touch. It's, you know, and of course you will gain even more potency the more you know your pussy, because you know a woman who owns her pussy owns her life. So for me pleasure and orgasm was the most healing, by far, the most spiritual experience. I never knew that that's where the divine lived, was in my body's ability to experience

pleasure. Because there's a lot of suffering that goes on at synagogues and churches and mosques and so forth. So I think that we don't expect we're kind of like wow. Oh I can create a sacred experience for myself with myself Uh-huh, and there's so much freedom in that so for most it's almost like that was left out of the church experience Dude, maybe perhaps so that we would attach ourselves to a different way of trying to get there. You know Why do you think the church is so rich?

Because like they detach us from our ability to create the sacred inside of our own bodies and then we ask to give them cash so that they'll give us communion. You know, it's like one of the greatest hustles of all time but there's been some wonderful things that have been a result of that. Like the Sistine Chapel and all the work of Michelangelo and those other artists that you get to see and experience these days.

But, you know, people are not as excited about churches as they once were, that people are leaving and finding other opportunities and other ways to pray. and other ways to pray. And my connection with the Holy has been through pleasure. Now have I and I did ayahuasca for my first time last November. And that was amazing. It was it was amazing and a transformative trip but I would say that I came to it kind of late in the game because you guys had it down. How many times have you done it? I think Albert and I have sat 30 years. He might have 33. I'm not certain, but we're right around the same thing.

See what I mean? It's still babies by any means. To people who are inexperienced, that's a lot, but for guys like Dennis McKenna or our dear brother, Dr. Dan Engel, who's sat and guided with over 500 journeys, that's a different, there's levels to the game. Those guys are black belts, on the white belt, maybe with a couple of stripes.

Yeah, what happened for me, I had, similar as you were describing, when you left your life as an athlete, you felt into sort of like a who am I, what am I without my practice, my discipline, my sport, who am I? And when I had been leading, you know, for many, many years, thousands and thousands and thousands of women on huge stages. And right before COVID, I stopped and began to transition to be an online facilitator.

But that identity of myself as this big ass leader on a big ass stage was so much of who I thought I was. There wasn't any space for Regina. It was Mama Gina, you know, staking up all the oxygen. And so I was pretty lost and not knowing how to connect with my god goddess. And so I encountered a woman named Lynn Twist, who has a foundation called Pachamama Alliance.

And she, her project is to help save the rainforest and the headwaters of the rainforest in Ecuador in the Amazon. And I met her and she was the only other woman I met who really made her way in the world because of a vision that she had. Mine was a vision of the goddess, hers was somewhat different. But with I thought I will this woman had a powerful vision that has inspired me. She suggested to me that Peter and I go to the rainforest and experience it. And I thought I need the healing of Pachamama right now I need to feel who I am when I'm not being serving thousands and thousands and

thousands of people. I need to find Regina. So I'm going to go. And the experience there was one of the most profound experiences of my life. But so crazy, Kyle, because my almost my biggest aha moment happened before the ayahuasca. So we're in and being in the rainforest, which the rainforest, of course, you cannot get to it by foot or by car. You have to fly in on a little tiny, tiny plane. And then you are taken on a canoe by an indigenous person, in this case, the Acha'war people and the Shuar people were two tribes that welcomed us and taught us so much.

And for the first few days that we were there, they had to cleanse us, what they say that we are the people that live in the future, and they wanted us to be in the present moment, so they did ceremonies of blowing smoke and scrubbing us with different leaves and having us jump into the Amazon River and different practices and then hearing our dreams, because they're a dream culture. And so, and each day I just started to feel like,

oh, I can breathe and I can sleep. Oh my God, I can relax. No electronics, baby. Oh my God. I was so happy there. And one day they took us on a walk into the rainforest and they said they they were they we picked up a shaman, it was going to be our big ayahuasca day. And they picked up a shaman along the way and he took us to what he called a cathedral. This was meaningful to me. Because in my final mastery season, which is the program I delivered for many, many, many years. I had been in a

cathedral, a very prestigious cathedral on Park Avenue, had rented us the cathedral to use to teach mastery. Now, what I thought with my big Mama Gina ego was, I have mended the hole in the soul of the patriarchy. Now we are accepted by the church and we are invited to teach mastery and celebrate pussy in the church. And it literally, it felt like my whole childhood of searching for the goddess and now the goddess was being welcomed in this big ass, gorgeous, Episcopal church on Park Avenue like that held a thousand people and I was gonna fill it with women and run my mastery program in there and I thought hallelujah, glory hallelujah, my life's

mission is this proves that I'm getting I I've made change in the world. So we have our whole gorgeous first weekend of Mastery in this incredible church, this golden dome over the altar and women are naked because it happens sometimes in Mastery rooms and celebrate, you know, just putting decorating their pussies and running around like they were at a sleepover party and they were four years old, and just being in the freedom of the feminine and learning to love their bodies

and heal the wounding of the culture that disparaged them and so forth. And I am feeling myself really fine. And so we leave, you know, first week goes over, but we'd booked the church for the whole four months of Mastery. So I know we'll be back next month. And then we don't hear anything from the cathedral.

And I'm thinking, hmm, it's awfully quiet. Because we did email them saying, how did everything go? And I thought, this is not a good sign. quiet because we did email them saying how did everything go? This is not a good sign. So we emailed again, we called. And then we got a message that we were to come in and speak with the Deacon. And the head of, you know, the, I guess, whatever department put on public events, and there are a few other people there. And so the message was that we were not permitted to have nudity in the church, that that was profane. in the church that that was profane. So, and we needed to change our curriculum if we wanted to go back there.

And so I carefully looked through the contract and I was like, nothing about nudity. Page, page, I had my lawyer look, nothing about nudity. We did not agree to this. We gave them copies of Pussy, a Reclamation, which I just like to brag was my last book and a New York Times bestseller. And is still selling so well.

Thank you, goddess. So this is an unbelievably good book. I should have brought you a copy. I have to send you one. OK, so we go back and I have made a presentation for them to show them, to really remind them that Jesus came from the body of a woman who was sacred and that the feminine is holy and that,

and in fact, it was all women who were meeting me and so I called upon them and explained you know why it's important for a woman to reclaim her body to give up her self-hatred and her self-doubt and that there's a magic that happens in the privacy of sisterhood that has nothing to do with sexuality. It has to do with healing and reclamation and owning our beauty at all ages. That sometimes women take my program who have physical ailments or are differently abled, who are bisexual, gay, trans, gay, trans, that want to feel a sense of sisterhood and acceptance of themselves that this work brings and they were still no way you cannot. That is it's you women removing their clothing in a sacred place. So, something in me broke that day.

It hurt me so deeply, almost like it was like a wound because I had thought that had made changes that actually no, it was, I had not, I hadn't, I wondered, has it, it made me wonder like, has it been worth it? Has all this effort, has it been in vain? Have we not pushed the game forward so that women are more loved, accepted, free? And it was like a, I don't know,

like a dagger in my heart, it felt. And it was also, meanwhile, wedding season, graduation season in New York City, and we were seriously fucked because we had a thousand women who needed a venue and that's a whole fun story that I'll tell you another time. I know all about trying to pivot for venues. Damn. That's probably about the first Arcadia. Oh damn and especially when you add women and nudity to the equation is not a simple matter but so that was the last time I was in a cathedral was when I was thrown out.

And fast forward five years later, I am taken by a shaman in the middle of the rainforest to something that he's calling at the cathedral. And what it is, is a clearing in the woods and a waterfall. I mean not woods, rainforest. And it's a waterfall. I mean, not woods, rainforest. And it's a waterfall. It's like a double waterfall flowing into, I guess, a pool of water. And I thought, this is the real cathedral. That other shit is fucking bullshit. It is a patriarchal construct that this is the truth. And so I was already like tears were streaming

as I stood in the real cathedral and surrounded by all of this nature that made sense to me. Every cell of my being, it made sense to me. And there was a level of freedom that I'm sure you understand for having been an athlete. When I was on the mastery stage as Mama Gina, I was fucking free. I could do anything.

I could make magic, miracles, healing, change women's lives, like with the flick of a finger, like I was held in the palm of the goddess. And off the stage, I was not able to feel that potency inside of the Regina body. And I thought, maybe I'll just never feel that free or that alive or that connected to the goddess again. Maybe that part of my life is over. But there in that cathedral,

the shaman took us down, maybe 10 of us, and we were permitted to swim to the waterfall. And then we were permitted to stand in the waterfall if we liked or whatever, or just swim right back. It was our choice. And so when it came for my turn, I swam to the first waterfall, which was like a really powerful waterfall. And I tried to stand up, and the thing just crashed me under, and I was spinning underwater. And so I went into the next one, which was not quite as strong. And I stood up in that waterfall. And then I stood up on a rock in that waterfall.

And then I opened my arms in that waterfall, and that water was dousing over my body and I found myself screaming like Tarzan and Jane and I don't know, like yelling and whooping like a wild thing and feeling as alive and turned on as myself as I ever felt on a master stage but I was standing in a waterfall in the middle of Ecuador. And I was just like, my aliveness, it's in me and it's connected to her and it's right here right now. And I was just like, this is why I came to the rainforest. And after that they took us up and they kind of allowed, gave us a banana leaf and they spread us all over the rainforest and they gave us a few hours to meditate on the banana leaf. And so just looking around, you know, you've had moments like this, where I just was looking around and thinking the potency and the magic, and I'm going to get all foot-clemped, as my people say of the interconnectedness of how beautiful life is and

how the dying leaf becomes fertilization for the next generation of the plants and how the insects and the flowers and all of the majesty of what grows in that rainforest and the animals. And I was just like weeping with a magic of life that we go so fast, we forget to slow down and see and feel and experience. And I was just the ecstasy in my body of recognizing and out picturing of what I had always,

what had just the holiness and the privilege of being alive was saturating every cell of me and continues to do so. And so I thought, oh fuck, I have done so well with the waterfall and with the meditation and the in the rainforest. I am going to fucking rock and roll with my ayahuasca tonight. Like bring it on, bring it on, bring it on. Goddess. I cannot wait. Like I was the first in line when the shaman, the shaman is like this guy, he could have been like 50 or 150, something in between there, just like praying over the beautiful medicine and praying and whispering to the medicine and we're in this small hut with one candle lit. There's like 10 of us there and he pours this big-ass glass of ayahuasca like kind of like when you stop and you get a large at Carvel of this. The swirlies

or the frosties. It's like a big-ass frosty and I was like bring it. So I drunk that thing right down and I was like I I'm ready. And they put me on a banana leaf. And at first, like all the psychedelic colors, I felt like I was in Pixar. I'm having fun in there. And then suddenly, it was just eight hours of darkness.

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Like, what? Like, look at that. And so I just was, you had a polite word for throwing up. Purging. Purging, yes, that's a polite word for throwing up. So I literally was purging all night long. I purged all night long, purge it, purge it, purge it.

And I thought, this is not what I was expecting. I thought I was going to be blissful. And by the time my poor body, I purged from every organ. And by the time we regrouped with the shaman in the morning, and he explained to me that he was like, if that is wrong thinking, you had wrong thinking, Regina. And that was what you were purging all of your wrong thinking. And so then I it made sense to me and then I was grateful. I was like, if I could get all these lingering

drops of self doubt and self hatred out of my being, thank you for that experience because it was like the fast track to how you get rid of, you know, layers and layers and layers and layers of crap that live inside you that are not the truth of what life is, which is that everything is sacred, including us. And so it was an incredible, incredible experience. I don't know if I'm gonna rush to do it 50 times like you, you're my hero. It's been over, I think 15 years. So it's spread out. There were times where I might sit with it. I don't know, six times in a

year. And then other times where we wouldn't touch the stuff for two or three years Yeah between you know, yeah when you're called to it. So yeah other things that helped me to heal from my experiences as a kid IFS therapy, which is integral family systems therapy so great you almost get to go back and Love yourself in the places that perhaps your parents weren't able to love you as a child. I found that to be super helpful too. So I think here's what I my theory about it. Trust your pussy. Because if you are on a healing path, you're going to be led to the places that need your

attention and your love and your you will you know the great pussy in the sky is generous and she does lead us if we listen and if we tune in and if we say yes when the doors open and so I you know I feel very blessed that I got the opportunity to go to the Amazon, to have the ayahuasca, to experience IFS therapy. And I also did have a life-changing experience on MDMA in my partnership with Peter that was a real heart opener too, which I definitely needed at the time. So I think there's so many things that can help us become more and more of who we are.

We're so lucky to be alive right now with so many pathways to evolve. Cause I think that's what- Each of those have such a unique signature to them as well. Where they stand alone as absolutely incredible. There's a seat at the table of the master teachers, the master agent tools. Yeah, so true.

It's so true. Have you ever, like let's say what has allowed you to have such a healthy relationship and healthy partnership when maybe you didn't have that in your past? Well, there's a couple of things. I mean, there's a lot there. I think that the things that really help me the most are, and I got this from fighting because I really didn't

know much when I was playing football, other than performance, is the ability to listen to myself, right? Self-inquiry. What are my needs right now? What is the need of the body? How do I feel about something? Oh, that's anxiety. Well, how do I need to move this? Well, let's go for a walk. No, that didn't work. Let's do something else. And so really learning what I need to come back to center has been huge. Because sometimes it is just go meditate.

And I didn't have meditation as a tool until Ayahuasca. Ayahuasca was like, learn to meditate, learn to do yoga. And I kept getting those messages until I actually started practicing, right? Yeah. Which was great because I was a great teacher in that, hey, you don't get to graduate to other shit until you actually start doing what I've asked of you. Yeah.

But I think from a personal standpoint, those have really helped me to understand me, you know? And know thyself has made me better at recognizing when I'm off center, what are my actual needs. And then when my wife and I started an open marriage, that was like a fast track, holy shit, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know how to communicate. There are problems here that I couldn't foresee in the forecast. And that really forced me to look hard at how do I communicate? You know, we read nonviolent communication and great that really resonated because I wanted to help me like how can I see the need that's not being met? Yeah, you know, and thinking of that mirror back to myself,

like that's a lot of what I was working on with myself and learning like what is the need that's not being met. And I think that really helped us to graduate in ways that I don't think would have happened otherwise. Putting a back, a backstop or a contrast to my wife allowed me to truly see her for the first time. You know, like I had ultimate appreciation for her and love for her, but I didn't really counted all the wins in our relationship. We had seven years together before we opened up and we were only open for a couple years. But in that I could, I could re-witness every time we had accomplished

something together like, Hey, we're going to go on this diet thing and figure out what organic food feels like. And we're going to kind of stop, we're going to stop poisoning ourselves with shit and then, you know, people laugh about that, but I've been in coaching for fitness and health for over 10 years and like, that is a pretty big obstacle for a lot of couples is one person wants it and the other one doesn't. Yeah. You know, and I, I recognize all these were crossroads in our relationship that we said yes together and we grew together. And, um, you know, I also realized too, like there's, there's, I could, you know, all the, all the strange in the world,

all the novelty in the world will never compare to the mastery that we have with each other in knowing each other's bodies and being absolute givers, the love that brings about that giving nature, right? That's just like, I want to please you in all the fucking ways and not because there's some physical attraction. Yes, there's that, but also because I care that much, that I want you to just be blown out of the water. And so there was a kind of a recording that happened during that, that was a natural thing,

because you're competing against new relationship energy. So I better try now. And I think in the absence of that, being able to hold on to that, I ought to still court you. We've been together for 13 years. That should still be there. It should be ever present.

It should be where I want to give you. And foreplay changes, as a parent, right? If I can give her a couple hours break during the week and take off work early, that makes a huge difference. And so I think it was a fast track. And for me, it was a huge healing because I'd learned from Chris Ryan and Dr. Wednesday Martin and Aubrey and all these people that were gung ho on it.

And none of them had kids. We're very few did. And I remember Chris saying most men are worried about the sex. Is he bigger than me? That kind of thing. And most women are worried about the emotional. Is he bigger than me? That kind of thing. And most women are worried about the emotional. Do you love her? That kind of stuff.

And I cared about all of it. It hit me like a Mack truck. And I remember Aubrey telling me that you can understand it all you want, but until it happens, you don't really understand it. And I, he couldn't have been more right. But what that boiled down to, and I had this come up in a medicine journey,

was that every question, is he bigger, is he better, does he make you laugh, all that shit, was all a self-reflection on my limited self-belief in myself. I still had limiting beliefs in myself and still questioned myself in marriage. And I remember my wife pulling me aside and being like, where's the guy that I signed up for? Where's the guy who was confident, who

knew himself? You know, and that was kind of a, you know, I don't want to say the last bit of healing, but it was a very important piece of healing for me to reclaim that, to know thyself as sacred in all the ways. And to know that no one else can be Kyle Kingsbury, right? And hold my unique self in that value. Relationships just make you grow so much. I'm so grateful. I've been with my partner, Peter, for eight years. And I think I had peaked on the upper limit

of being a single woman. You know, I kind of had done. I had that down. I was good at it. I felt confident, I felt powerful, but it was time for me to grow. And I think the amount of growth that I've done since Peter and I have been together

has been just like huge and vast and allowed me to be a better parent to my daughter because of the way Peter loves me and allowed me to, Peter's held me during this time of big life transition, no matter how collapsed I was, he was there with his steadfast incredible love and allowed me to like understand how to surrender for the first time because I was like you know I'm a pretty good warrior like you know I I don't want to brag but like I have a really big cock like my you know sort of how should we say energetic cock is huge. I can control thousands and thousands of people easily.

Like I know how to take charge of situations. I raised my kid, myself, raise my school myself, but surrendering to a man. That was new ground. And that has been a new learning curve. And I'm so grateful that I had the opportunity for that. Because without him, there would be no way. I'd still be swinging my cock and wondering, why aren't there any guys around that are interested in me?

What's the matter here? What's going on? I love that. I've actually got some questions for you on, I think a big conversation that we've had is on healing. And I think it's super important. And this is probably still in that range.

I've seen a lot of women who are super successful and have had trouble opening their femininity up to their guy. They might be the breadwinner. They might have, family members even that have just had a hard time letting go of some of the reins, not all the reins, but some of that surrender. And usually when I see that, I see there's a distance that gets created

when the man isn't the man and doesn't get to be the man in any certain way. And then the weight of that, as a woman having to carry both is too much, there's no sustainability there. Like what are what, you know, you've talked about your own trajectory and all the people you've worked with, what do you see that really works in a dynamic like that? Well, you're right. Because women have been really taught or through circumstances have had to man up you know for me with my background I there was nobody protecting me when I

was growing up so I had to learn how to protect myself and support myself and then I had to raise my daughter myself without the support of her father and so and it's a huge it's I can't remember the population or the percentages but a huge amount of our children today are being raised by single moms without the participation of the father. So there's something in our culture that there's no blame, but these are the circumstances in which we find ourselves. And when women are invited into the workplace, if they work in a corporation, they wear a little man suit, you know, they're not going in there flowing off the shoulder dresses to their C-suite at Google. They are wearing a corporate suit, they are manning up to fit in, to make money, to succeed. So women are taught

that to make their way in a man's world or a patriarchal world culture, they have to be like a man. And we have lost the art or the practice of being a woman. There isn't a space for it. It's not taught. It was actually the reason that I started the School of Womanly Arts so many years ago was when Maggie was born and I was nursing her and I was spinning through the channels because as you remember when you first nurse it's very tender and you're like I was trying to distract myself so I put on the TV. But you're spinning a knob. So for this is I'm old enough to catch the reference. Yeah, I guess my daughter, my daughter's 26.

So yes, I guess. Or maybe it was a remote. I don't know. Well, you're right. I remember the knob. We were the people that were born in the knob years. So I'm getting and a movie comes on. And the goddess works in such mysterious ways. it's a movie called dangerous beauty. Did you ever see it? No. Oh

It is movie night with your wife. You you will love this. You guys will have such a romantic night so it's this really cool movie and it's about a young woman who She is about a young woman who she is at a crossroads because she's living in Venice, it's the 1400s. Her family has no money. And so her mother, when she turns about 16 or something, her mother says, well, you're at a crossroads here. We have no money for your dowry. You're not going to be able to marry a wealthy guy. So at this point, you can either become a nun or become a courtesan.

That's the choice point. And so she says, well, fuck that courtesan shit, and she runs to the convent. But when she sees that they cut off the hair of all the nuns, she runs home from the convent. And she begins to train with her mother to become a courtesan. And there was a scene where she's in the bathtub and her mother is bathing her. And she says these words.

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is because we are not taught about pleasure ourselves. So when we're not taught about it, there's no way that we can live it and there's no way we can give it. And so I thought I need to open up a courtesan academy right here in New York City. And I got it. I just become a mama. So I'm like, I'm going to mama jean a school of womanly arts and I'm gonna teach women about all of the arts of being a woman the art of

flirtation the art of owning your beauty the art of owning and operating your partner the art of owning your inner bitch the art of inviting abundance and all of the womanly arts because Because what happened as I began to research the courtesan was courtesans were women. They weren't prostitutes. That's what people think. They were not. They were women who were so highly prized. They were like the legends of their time. They were like the Beyonce's and the Nicki Minaj of their day or movie stars. They were the people who were the subject of paintings of artists like Tintoretto or Manet. They were personages,

people that impacted the culture, but usually they started with from nothing. They had no money, no advantages and no opportunities, but they cultivated their feminine. They cultivated their beauty until it became an art. It didn't even matter if they were pretty. They learned how to be calm, beautiful and attract. And they were almost like little quantum physicians because they knew that if they kept tuning their fork to pleasure because you know that song them that has shall get them that's not shall lose so the Bible says and it

still is news mama may have and Papa have but God bless a child that has its own so they were people that practiced this, that even if they had not a penny in their pocket, they felt beautiful and worthy and wealthy because they could connect to pleasure and connect to turn on and practice the art of beauty and practice the art of flirtation and practice all the womanly arts.

And it used to be passed mother to daughter to mother to daughter and so on. And so I thought we do not have women who are teaching this. What I found out was that because the courtesans existed at a time when women had no rights and they had rights. They were allowed to own their own money, they were allowed to own their own property, they were allowed to be educated. They rose above the culture to become powerful because of their connection to pleasure. Pleasure is not just healing but it's powerful. And so I thought well I'm gonna ride this pleasure ride and take this little broken girl and become Mama Gina. And then I'm also going to teach women the art of the feminine and the art of the courtesan.

Why? Because from that place, when you are truly owning your pussy, you're truly owning your power and your potency and your magic and you are able to use the power of attraction because of your fueling it with your erotic aliveness, you can draw in the experiences that you want, the men that you want, the women that you want, the circumstances that you want and every woman is capable of this. But what happened was because even the wealthy women were not able to own their own money or their own property and weren't sovereign, that were owned by either their fathers or their husbands, the women became frustrated and they saw the freedom of the courtesans. And that gave rise in the late 1800s, early 1900s to feminism and to the things that alt which

was a movement that was born from anger and rightly so women deserve to be pissed off that they couldn't vote and they could not own their own property their own money etc women should have been angry about those things and were but that killed the court isan and it killed those practices because when you're angry you're not in your feminine you're in a different place so we lost those arts and so I thought what happens if we had now have these freedoms that we've never had before historically and we bring back the art of being a woman from that place when a woman is welcomed,

knows herself, loves her body, loves to flirt, owns her beauty, can create abundance, loves her man. She can drop her massive cock and trust the power of the feminine to draw in and attract the experience that she wants. So I have found that with my work has been a place where women have had an opportunity to cultivate other parts of themselves. So instead of having to man up to survive, they've been able to woman up and not just survive, but thrive and prevail and experience a side of life that our culture doesn't teach us, but it's super important for a woman to live

her fullness and for a man to experience his king because when she can fully inhabit her queen then he becomes her king even if he's never kinged anything in his life just by being around her he becomes a king you know because of the way she is with herself so i love that i love that that's and that's what my courses teach you know that's what i wanted to get to where's the 90 minute mark so i wanted to say like where where, where, what are the offerings? Like, what are the things that you're teaching right now? We'll link to your books and the show notes and things like that. I really want to I really want you have time to talk about the things that you teach people.

Great. First of all, people should follow me on the socials, which is Mama Gina's or Mama Gina's School of Women, the Arts, which is www. M a m a g e n a s dot com. Mama Gina's or Mama Gina's School of Women the Arts which is www.mamagenas.com. I put out a blog every week that is so dripping with fun, with aliveness, with opportunities and we also if they go to my website we have a free offering that I think would be incredible. It's called a self-pleasure sovereignty series that they can download for free and begin to cultivate this activated feminine potency

that maybe thousands and thousands of years ago our mamas might have taught us. But now we have Mam Mama Gina to open these doors to the practice of pleasure. We also have this incredible offering coming up this fall, where I have a brand new program that I'm cultivating that is going to be at a really incredible price point. So if you get on the mailing list or follow me on social,

I'll find out about all of those things. That's so cool. I'm stoked you've got more good stuff get on the mailing list or follow me on social law, find out about all of those things. That's so cool. I'm stoked. You've got you've got more good stuff coming on the way. It's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just hearing about the the transition away, you know, more into the digital world. That was one of the gifts from COVID, you know, there is really was there is something beautiful about being face to face. And I'm so happy that you're here. And I loved all of our events, you was doing in Fit for Service.

Oh my gosh. And also, we want to reach people. We want to be able to reach people easiest. And that's such a gift of our technology. Yay. This was so fun. This was so fun, Kyle. Thank you for having me.

I'm so grateful. Well, my absolute pleasure. You've been amazing. And we'll do it again for sure. Da-bam. Thank you, Mama Gina.