Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #407 Unraveling the Threads of Human Consciousness Through AI, Psychedelics & Spirit w/ Savej

Episode Date: May 24, 2025

In this episode, the host welcomes SAVEJ, also known as Donnie, a musician and thought leader. They discuss Donnie's fascinating journey, starting with his colorful upbringing, and the profound impact psychedelic experiences, primarily with psilocybin, had on him from a young age. They delve into the deep insights gained from these experiences, such as understanding DNA, neurochemistry, and the impact of trauma through a multi-generational lens. The conversation then shifts to the Law of One material, exploring concepts of consciousness, the dual pathways of service to self and service to others, and the cosmic structure. They also discuss the current and future impact of AI and technology on humanity, emphasizing the potential for AI to solve complex global issues and merge with organic intelligence. Donnie shares his perspective on the power of music and his journey with building the Ancient Future Collective, aiming to integrate ancient wisdom with modern technology and foster a creative community. The episode concludes with exciting insights into Donnie's upcoming projects and his passion for blending traditional & ancient sounds with contemporary electronic music.   Connect with Donnie (Savej) here: Savej Instagram Ancient Future Collective Instagram Savej Music (spotify) Savej Website Savej Shows Music Production Online Cohort   Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM. Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU10 to claim your 10% discount. Get back to nature. Go to EarthRunners.com and use the code KKP at checkout for 10% off. Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome back to the podcast today. We have the artists Savage on also AKA Donnie and Donnie is somebody that I've become pretty good buddies with. He's somebody who fascinates with me. I think he's probably one of my favorite follows on Instagram and fantastic as a musician. Fantastic. I love dancing in his music and having a blast, but I've been blown away over the

years that every first was in conversations, but now following him on Instagram, seeing like how his mind works and then also actually getting to see kind of behind the curtains on what he's creating from a community standpoint. I'm pretty blown the fuck away, to be honest. And I think this podcast is going to blow your mind. Ai oi the future of where technology and spirit meet, psychedelics, the whole deal. I think this is hands down one of the coolest podcasts we've done in a while. And I will have Donnie back on for sure. I'll leave everything in the show notes where you can follow him, his music, Spotify, and all the good stuff website, Instagram. Share this podcast with a friend, leave us a five star rating with one or two ways the show's helped you out in life, and support our sponsors as they make this show possible.

Donnie, welcome to the podcast, brother. Thank you for having me, man. It's an honor to join you. This is so cool. I was hoping we'd get face to face and we will at some point. You were just out here on the farm. We'll talk about that. But yeah, you know, it's just the luck of the draw. We had birthdays, I think one of two tournaments a year where the whole team goes. We had a coach 90 plus matches for kids jujitsu and Mother's Day.

So it was like, bing, bing, bing. I was out. But I think the first conversations I had with you, I think we met through Aubrey and Fit for Service or maybe it was just through Aubrey. But I remember having deep conversations with you and thinking like, damn, this guy's got a lot of a lot of gnosis, a lot of knowing. And it was cool to see that.

And then, you know, I'm going to talk with more Aubrey more about you. And he'd tell me about some of your journeys and how deep you've been in the game. And that was like, wow, OK, respect. You know, I like that. That's that's gone gone to the same place as I have and journeyed, you know, with with depth and precision and the ability to report back on that. So I want to talk psychedelics. I want to talk a lot of stuff. But I really I've enjoyed coming back on Instagram, because I think the algorithm recognizes like what my my interests are. And following your account has been phenomenal. I remember seeing something pop up in my feed. And I was like, Holy shit. So we're going to talk about that today. Because that's, that's, that's good for a podcast in and of itself. But as I do with everybody, like I want to know, what was your life like growing up? What drove you into music and what drove you into psychedelics

and tech and all the things that you're into now? Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for that intro. Yeah, I feel blessed to have been introduced to people like you guys as well for similar reasons because I did have a colorful upbringing and I did feel very much like an anomaly where I was from. I love everybody surrounding me. And then also there was just a wavelength that was missing in my interactions.

And so it's been really, really revealing. And the greatest thing that's ever happened to me to find community of people I can like really dive deep with on all these things. And yeah, so I mean, you know, my journey was pretty colorful. You know, I was raised Catholic. My individual part of the family wasn't like

necessarily super into that realm, but my grandmother, my mom's side was, and I went to Catholic school for the first five years of my life, and there was just always a feeling of offness to me in regards of, I guess the best way I could say it is feelings of going through the motions without ever actually experiencing a direct sense of connection to God or connection to the creator of this universe or connection deep within myself. And yeah, so that kind of progressed. I switched to public school and you know, in my early teen years when I was 14 is when I became privy to the fact that

psilocybin mushrooms grow all over in Louisiana. And so, yeah, blessed to grow up down here in the South. And, you know, eventually I caught wind of where I could go pick them in a field and began learning everything I could about what to, what to, um, how to identify them and ensure that everything was going smoothly. And, and yeah. And so eventually long story short, you know, what I would do is just go fill bags up with these mushrooms after a good rain. And that was my first connection to feeling directly connected or in a sense of communion

with a greater power, because what I would do is make tea with them and split them with whomever would show up. And eventually that leads to a sacramental level experience when you have a big bag of mushrooms and not a lot of people that night. And so that was, yeah, like that was my, that was my just real introduction into what is possible with consciousness. And yeah, I became infatuated with how it was possible that an ingesting an exogenous substance could possibly cause a sense of direct communion with creation and the creator. So I began just really becoming obsessed with neurochemistry and our neurotransmitter systems and

understanding of the serotonergic system. I just wanted to understand everything. Anybody who's listening who's into human design, I'm a 4-1 projector and that one line is the investigator line and it describes me to a T. I have this blessing and a curse, trust me, of this kind of insatiable desire to really deeply understand things and just understand all of the reasoning and mechanisms behind. Trust me, it's as much of a curse that is a blessing,

but I wouldn't have it any other way. And so yeah, I began reading tons of just literature and published papers on the different receptor systems and neurotransmitters and different mechanisms of action of various substances. And it got me just really, really intrigued because I was also prescribed insane doses of Adderall since I was a kid, well, Ritalin in kindergarten. And then when it came out, they put me on Adderall. Yeah, I was six years old taking taking Ritalin. And

then I eventually was placed on three 30 milligram XR Adderalls a day by a doctor. I had to go to like the school nurse office after the lunch that I didn't eat because I already took the first one that morning and they would like do the whole under the tongue check and make sure because I was, you know, talking and being a normal human child because I finished my work fast or whatever and wasn't just gonna sit there with my hands tied. And so that also fed into the interest in the receptor systems

and just really understanding these things. And yeah, so I spent a long time, a lot of time, really reading online, reading papers and everything. And yeah, I was just really infatuated with it. That ultimately led me to start a supplement company to create products that were like serving me as an alternative to stimulants in that regard at the time. And yeah, I've just been fascinated ever since with all of the different ways that we can modulate our consciousness through both internal practices and exogenous substances.

And yeah, so here we are. And then, you know, ultimately this led me to my path of the type of music that I make now. You know, I've been through a couple of different kind of processes that have really helped me refine what it is that I want to create, why I want to create it, and what I want people to experience when they, you know, consume my music or when they're exposed to my expression in that way.

And, yeah, and all of these things are all the coalescence of all of, you know, the interest that was first given to me in this beautifully packaged connection with the creator that I experienced on that first, like, really high dose psilocybin experience that fundamentally shaped who I am as a person, how I move through the world, how I relate to other people and relate to myself and and yeah, you know, it gave me the first glimpse into what my generational patterns and trauma were which then led me down the road of becoming really trauma, which then led me down the road of becoming really infatuated with our genome and the way that we can interface with it under the influence of plant medicines and similar teachers, as well as internal practices.

And yeah, so like I said, all of these things kind of have coalesced into, I guess, who I am today and why I do all of the things that I do. Yeah, that's rad, brother. 14 is, it's funny. I remember seeing kids in high school that were, you know, that we'd go to like Jolliman Park and some guys would be having a little pot and some guys would be sprinkling mushrooms on an orange slice and offered it to me.

You know, it was like mostly the skate crew and I love skating and stuff like that. But I was like, nah, you know, I'm gonna hold off on that. And I really did wait till I was called to it. But it's funny when you talk about the big bag and a few people, I had, I brought an ounce for my wife's first journey to the Native American

reservation with my boxing coach. And you know, I had a handful of journeys with him, but it was her first. And while we're on the drive, it's maybe like a two hour drive out to this location in NorCal one by one, my teammates call me and they're like, Hey man, can't make it tonight for the sweat and the, and the journey. And I was like, Oh shit.

All right, next time. Oh shit. All right. Next time. Well, by the time we showed up, it was just me and her. And I'm like, I'm sorry. You know, my throw, everybody else canceled is just us. So like take all the mushrooms you want as a gift and a thank you and

leave whatever for us that you think we should do." And he just smiled. He goes, okay. And he pulled like two dehydrated mushroom stems out caps and just set them down for himself and then split the rest of the bag, the rest of the 28 grams for me and my wife. And we didn't eat them. We didn't make a tea or like blend it like nowadays. I'll grind them up and mix it with citrus, you know, and down the hatch. But we were chewing through. And I remember her looking at me going like, you know, chipmunk cheeks with dry mushrooms in her mouth.

Like, this seems like a lot of mushrooms. And I was like, oh, no, you know, like, this is for sure more than I've ever taken. I'm trying to do the math. I'm like, it's definitely over 13 grams each I'm not sure if it's 14 each but like we're right We just split it now it's effectively and I won't say that till after the fact but that was one of our greatest journeys ever So there is something to that, you know, I know Before when I had done like a really high dose

We were talking to East Forest about that and he's he's like, you know, everyone's neurochemistry is different. I'm like, yeah. And you know, there's still like different levels to the game, right? Like, Klindi, I think had a point on that. 20 grams is different than 10. 30 is different than 20. You know, there's no real cap. That's one of the magic of magical things about psilocybin is that you can keep going.

But then, you know, Aub and I have had journeys with friends who had like one gram of penis envy and could we're just completely unlocked, like couldn't turn it off, couldn't hold the noble silence, couldn't control themselves. And it's like, I guess there is something to that too, you know. So I feel fortunate, though, that I've been able to have those deeper dives, because I think there is something really special about that. It's almost like there's a point where it's high enough and that's different for everybody, but there's a point for me where it's high enough

to where I'm no longer guessing if the ego is talking to it, like what's in control here, what's happening. It's like, oh, I'm clearly in the presence. I've opened a door to something greater than me. This knowledge coming in is, I'm not making this up. You know, it's stuff I couldn't dream up on my own, you know, and in many ways, like that's been a big draw for me throughout it, you know, where I was just like,

wow, and that kind of got me in the rabbit hole of, after those first journeys, who else is writing about this shit? You know, like, and I talked to other buddies that were into it, and that's when I found Jeremy Narby's work. When did you start diving in? Fourteen's young, like, did you start diving in? Four teens young.

Like did you start reading books about this stuff then? No. So at the time I was reading mostly about just like neurochemistry and really trying to get a grip on that. And then once I started really diving in intentionally to really high dose tryptamine experiences, like tryptamines were my jam when I was since I didn't really start diving into the surgeon mice until I was a little older, like 19 or 20. And, and I'm really glad for that because tryptamines were my jam when I was since I didn't really start diving into the surgeon mice until I was a little older, like 19 or 20. And, and I'm really

glad for that because tryptamine whereas LSD and other little surgeon mice feel more like hacking the matrix, like hacking into the mainframe of the human vehicle. Tryptamines definitely have that inherent like cosmic intelligence and like direct communion with nature in a way more visceral and kind of undistorted way. And so yeah, it was after my first ayahuasca experience and after many, many experiences with psilocybin of this undeniable interfacing with my genome, like I was having these DNA experiences over and over. And that's why I really feel like that book found me exactly when I needed it, because it finally gave me some layers of context as to why I kept having these

DNA based experiences. And, uh, before I continue, have you ever had this experience where you're interfacing like directly with what is undeniably your genetic material? Yeah, only a couple of times, but like that's where I wanted to have, I think it's somewhere around here on the sleeve. I had like a DNA wine. That was one of my original ideas because I had seen the vision of the DNA like double helix through snakes, through like various items. But I remember asking one to one vision in particular, I was thinking of, like, how do I tap into my ancestors? And I went in and like, it was through the wisdom teeth, I could, I could generations back through the wisdom teeth. And it's like, every part of the DNA is the code of all of us that have come before you, you know, and there's a great,

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nothing actually changes in the image. That was how I kept experiencing this this like genomic interfacing. Whereas like I would see, you know, some sort of visual imagery, whether it was like a memory or even landscapes or, interestingly enough, there was a lot of multicultural imagery as well, even things that I hadn't been exposed to. And it was sort of like if I'm looking at a glass, like in front, and this is with eyes closed, you know, in a true visionary state, it's sort of like if I'm looking through a glass and I focus my eyes on the thing behind the glass, then when I would focus behind it, I would see this interlinking double helical

structure that was very much alive and moving. And it was very clearly DNA. And so now I've kind of trained the muscle of like focusing certain way it's interesting to say focusing your eyes because my eyes are closed. But I do I have come to believe that we're interfacing with this utilizing the photoreceptive cells that still line our pineal glands, right, because it still has the same rods and cones that allow our retinas to perceive light. And then, so I kept having this experience, and it would feel

really, really meaningful, like on a soul level, like I was interfacing with my own like ancestral genetic memory or stuff, including witnessing like the epigenetic consequences of my belief structures that that was like a visceral understanding that I was getting right, which ties back into the inherent intelligence that seems to be in like just a part of connecting with tryptamines specifically and you know these nature earth medicines. And so I was having these experiences repeatedly and then I found the Cosmic Serpent and began reading Narby's perspective of all this.

And I was like, well, it gave me so much context to then just kind of like further refine my my hunch or hypothesis of what was happening. And, you know, one of my biggest takeaways was the hypothesis that our DNA is emitting biophotons, which are coherent and in phase. And so light waves that are coherent, meaning they're in alignment and they're in phase. So the waves are lined up and that is the exact characteristics of a laser. And so, you know, in the book, he's talking about how like the brightness or the amplitude of the waves could be akin to a candlelight, I think he said, from either one mile or 10 miles away or whatever. So it's not very like high magnitude light, but it's in phase and it's very informational.

Like it's, you know, again, it's the characteristics of a laser. And so what seems to be a high possibility is that these bio photons that are being emitted by our DNA, somehow the way that tryptamines interface with our serotonergic system is changing our sensory input perceptual abilities in order to be able to perceive and decode these photons, which are transmitters of information. That's what photons are ultimately, is

their small packets of electromagnetic information. And so that really resonated with me. It's my current working hypothesis based on a bunch of these types of experiences. And it makes all the sense because, less than 2% of our genome is actually 3D printing us into being by creating proteins and assembling the physical Legos and building blocks that create my physical vehicle.

And the other 98.6 or whatever percent that we, you know, at one point called junk. Now we call it non-coding since we, you know, so eloquently tend to describe things that we don't understand as junk often in our society. But yeah, and so it seems to me like that that non-coding DNA because it follows certain syntactical rules that we see repeated throughout languages, something called Zipf's Law, Z-I-P-F's Law

as well. And yeah, just interfacing with it, what it seems to be is this set of subconscious operating system dispositions, epigenetic switches, probably ancestral memories that have been passed down in some capacity. And all of this is kind of coalescing into this big picture when we combine it with modern science and approaches to understanding DNA on deeper levels. Like it's also undeniable that we are going to be moving to DNA as a digital storage medium, because it's the most efficient one that we can possibly imagine. A single gram of DNA can hold 215 million gigabytes of data. That means the number,

I believe, is like 36 million copies of a 4K movie and a teaspoon of DNA. And so, you know, this is by nature an information encoding medium, and it's, you know, it's recursive and it self-corrects errors. It's a reverse copy of itself. It's just really fascinating to me. And I think it's one of those things that we grow up and we hear, like a lot of things in our society, we hear or learn about DNA in the context of Western science, and it sort of prevents or rather shapes our perspective or steers it away from any sort of like big

picture metaphysical understanding of what it actually is, like it's deepest nature, and we think of it as just this chemical concoction, often an accident. Another interesting part of that book was, you know, Jeremy Narby introduced me to a quote from Francis Crick talking about how it's more likely for a storm to fully assemble a Boeing 747 in a junkyard than DNA to have emerged from some sort of primordial cosmic soup. And I think that that, that one has always really landed with me like really heavily. And so anyway yeah that's a that's just kind of been my experience with it and particularly ayahuasca that it guides me to the understanding that this is the way that

I am undergoing healing and reviewing of my not only my past but the traumas that were inherited or passed on to me. I had a really profound ayahuasca experience in 2022 at Soltaro. Shout out Soltaro. The team over there is so incredible. And yeah, where I was I was reviewing I'll spare the details. But details, but my mom underwent a very, very critical trauma when she was 14 and it's had profound effects on her psyche and many aspects of her life

for the last 45, 50 years at this point. And yeah, that night it was gifted to me to fully dive in and understand the ways in which this trauma, and this was communicated to me by the ayahuasca very literally, like viscerally, I felt it as this multidimensional understanding that this trauma caused epigenetic alteration in my mother's genetic expression. And through that, my sister and I inherited these sort of like archetypal switches as her offspring. And those traumas and their consequences would then manifest through our systems and experience

and our dispositions and our interactions and ways of relating externally and internally through the distortion that is us like through our individual lens. Cause like the switches are like high level, they're like top level distortions and that you can in the, in the course of a life acquire these epigenetic kind of switchboards and then pass them on, which was something I hadn't really framed in that way before this. And yeah, and so just like really, really reconciling, uh, you know, how these things are like that, that's like the mechanism of generational trauma. In other words, this is just the physical mechanism of how these memories are passed

and how we can actually enter these states that allow us to interface directly with them. And through the conscious intention of will and a reframing and reconfiguring of our understanding and then ultimately the acceptance and the kind of gratitude for how our trauma ultimately like shapes us into who we are through provide through providing the catalyst that they do and then the ability to recognize through contrast what like how you can transmute this thing versus how you can still continue to live in it right like nothing I'm saying is new right now, but this was big for me because it was like really,

like really clicked and understanding just how magical it is that we have these types of tools that we can kind of interface with this octave below our own existence and our biological, you know, kind of software hardware combo to really do that. And so, you know, it became, even when I was 14 and like had that first real high level psilocybin experience, it became very apparent to me that these things are psycho spiritual technology and tools. These aren't drugs. That's something else. And it's been

really refreshing seeing how quickly and exponentially that's becoming re accepted in Western culture, because I feel like even just like five years ago, I was still having to plead the case for psilocybin. Like, I see one day when I'm old and da da da, you know, and man, just like a short five years later, like that arguments dead, dude. The news is out and ain't going anywhere now. You know, some of the top institutions on the planet, it's you can't put it back in the box.

Like the published literature about psilocybin about tryptamines about their healing capacity And yeah, so, you know, I my hope is that Somehow some way in a way that I haven't really been able to conceptualize is that we can become or gather an understanding of The mechanism I was just describing of like, you know, the, the genomic interfacing ability through there, because it's like endlessly, endlessly fascinating to me. And I continue to have these experiences. And now interestingly enough, when I'm, when I'm in a visionary space on a trip to me and I'm having a really coherent vision, I can almost instantly do

the eye focused thing, look behind it. And it's like a man behind the curtain. It's these like moving things and it's so it's so wild the way that it like moves and stuff because you know we tend to picture DNA as this like static thing like it's just it's just that we're given our genome and that's it but in fact it's a highly dynamic molecule that's always changing and shifting and opening and closing and moving and doing its thing. It's responding to feedback. It is a feedback loop. It's a microbiological feedback loop. And that's what our epigenetic switches are. They're responding to our environment in order to, in my opinion, shift our reality to align with our perception of it. And this is, you know, I know you had Bruce Lipton on, like this is what these guys are talking about.

It's like, this is the mechanism through which our environment modulates our reality and our internal environment modulates our reality as well. And it's like the DNA is the archive of that. And it's what programs the firmware and the software back and forth. So yeah, really, really interesting stuff that I just, it'll never cease to fascinate me.

Yeah, fuck yeah, brother. I'm like trying to make notes in my head of where I want to go. First thing I was thinking of was like, the quote from the Bible, the sins of our father fall upon the son. You know, like it's not for a lot of people now, you know, everyone's got their own problems,

their own shit. And the last thing I want to think about is something they inherited from granddad or mom's mom. And oh, that's my work to heal now too. And it's like, well, if you want it to be, right. But if you want it to be, if you're curious and you have an intention to do so, it can be done. Right. It's not complicated. It can take some time, right. And effort and, you know, but I think that that is it's all things are possible. And I also similarly feel far more connected, whether it's like lineage, ancestry, uh, DNA stuff, earth stuff, almost exclusively with Ayahuasca. Whereas like psilocybin to me, it's, it's, it's, it's ET shit.

Like I'm, I can go further and farther with that. I can also, you know, still connect that back to family and things depending on my intention. But there's almost like ayahuasca has this grounding cord, you know, pulling down from the Dantian in the center of the earth where like I'm accessing Gaia's knowledge, I'm accessing Pachamama. And through that, I'm tapping into my lineage.

I'm tapping into where I come from. I'm able to heal. And I've had some I'm able to heal. I've had some really amazing experiences there too. Actually, at Soltara, I relived my second journey. I dealt a lot with my childhood and in particular with my father. And so when it came back up at Soltara, this is like journey 25 with Ayahuasca. I just remember laughing like, what the fuck am I doing here with this again? Like I already worked on that, we're good. You know, and I relived a lot of it,

but it made me think of like that spiral, you know, another lap around, no man ever crossed the same river twice because no man's ever the same and no river's ever the same, right? And so getting to revisit that, I actually was the first time where I got to see my dad, you know, in his upbringing and live that in a way,

you know, it was like, ooh, man, all right. You know, I get to see, you know, firsthand his experiences in a way that was like complete understanding, you know, and some of the shit that's tough like that can be the greatest gifts because the only full gnosis is when you know every side of the coin, right? And that means you must know, you must explore the darkness in its fullness to understand

the light in its fullness. And that's really the true knowledge behind things. And so I know we're going to dive into law of one, but like that teach, learn, learn, teach, that cycle learn, teach, that cycle happening, it happens in the oscillation between the light and the dark and the challenging and the beautiful. And I think that if there's any gift between those things, because I remember my sister kind of laughing like, when are you going to be done healing?

When are you going to be done working on your shit? To me, it's more exploratory now than it is healing, but at the same time, the most profound journeys I've ever had were the ones that were the hardest. They were the most challenging by far. And then on the back end of that, it was just like, damn, all right, heart wide open.

Just a different person in how I am. I've said, there's many things that have saved my marriage with my incredible wife, Tosh, but like, Ayahuasca, it's gotta be in the top three, for sure. Because without that, you know, like I was still drinking like an asshole. It took me 10 journeys on Ayahuasca to see like,

oh, I drink way too much. Like, holy shit. You know, like I'm not just celebrating, I'm fucking pouring shit down the hole because I'm nervous about something. I'm afraid of this. I'm fucking pouring shit down the hole because I'm nervous about something. I'm afraid of this. I'm low on money. Whatever the stress is,

oh, let's, you know, like my brain was so smart at saying, hey, it's time to party. You know, I knew the answer, but it wasn't looking in. And then, you know, through enough journeys, I could actually see that and track that and be like, oh, fuck, that was it the whole time. Okay.

And she wasn't nagging at me about drinking too much. She could see it and I couldn't, you know, that Bruce Lipton's got a funny one. He did a relationship book. That's lesser known than the biology of belief. But you know, use the example in that book where he says, like, everyone knows what Bob is like when he goes into a shadow. And they say Bob's just like his dad. But if you tell Bob, Bob, you're just like your dad. And that gives me like, what the fuck are you talking about?

I'm not like my dad, cause he can't see it. He can't see his own shit. He can't see your own shadow. And so, I'd like the ability of these things to gift us the insight to see what we can't see. To broaden our vision and our awareness to what's usually be stuck behind our purview. To give us a greater degree of awareness and self-aware awareness. That's a true gift to us for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what you said to

this fascinates me a lot too. You know, I feel the same way about, you know, psilocybin and it's kind of cosmic galactic nature. And you know, there's, that's a whole school of thought as to like how these spores made their way here in the first place with this very intelligently crafted orally active sort of cousin of DMT, right? Where you put that little group on the four position and of the molecule of the DMT molecule and all of a sudden it works by itself. And yeah, I think it's really interesting

with the harmala alkaloids, which are in the ayahuasca vine, for anybody listening who's not familiar, that's the enzyme inhibitor that allows DMT to be orally active. The harmala alkaloids actually intercalate, meaning they bind in between the ladder rungs of genetic material. They bind directly to DNA,

which has always fascinated me as a potential means for some of this genomic interfacing that I was talking about earlier. But I share the same experience as far as, you know, the harmala alkaloids being in the mix, which is what we, you know, the characteristics are the fundamental spirit or essence of the plant that we associate with this intelligence we call Mother Ayahuasca as definitely being this kind of channel or remote that tunes the experience to channel Earth for sure. And you can you can experience that in the form of Changa. You can experience it in what I call vapor waska as well, which if you orally

ingest some harmala's like some cappy extract or anything about an hour before consuming DMT in any form, it will tune it to channel Earth. And you'll have a very much more organic and Earth related experience. This is very repeatable and reliable as well. And a lot of times that's what kind of turns my experience from this kind of big picture law of one cosmic galactic thing into a lot of really multicultural like history of the world type visions, different Inca, Mayan, Aztec, Egyptian, whatever, all of the things that we associate in the symbolism we associate with ancient high civilizations. Even if I've never been to a

play, that's another thing that endlessly fascinates me and you know, looking back to the DNA genetic memory bank kind of topic. It's like, how are we tuning into these things if they're not inherently in us in some capacity, which and that would be the capacity. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's really, really beautiful thing. And yeah, ayahuasca really is very special in that regard.

And it's very unique and it's not easy. It's never easy. And you know, like you were saying, it was talking about like the experiencing something from the multi-dimensional perspective. That was how I came to understand the particular trauma I was talking about earlier because the decision was made that altered my family like Timeline moving forward for a long time and for me to get to the purge to where I could leave its effects on me

in that bucket which was the goal right and then like I Had to like my prerequisite for achieving that purge to really get that out of me forever was really understanding the scenario and the situation from everybody involves perspective. And that meant spending a lot of time with each one, like embodying this person and really understanding their experience of this scenario. It included like compassion and empathy

and included forgiveness for somewhat and included, you know, everything, putting myself in all the perspectives. And when I finally reached this pinnacle of thought, the pinnacle of thought was me understanding all these perspectives at once simultaneously. And there was this like kind of chaotic, irrational geometry happening. And when I reached that thought where I like understood and accepted what was happening, it like it was like a puzzle sliding into place and it was this beautiful like perfectly symmetrical mandala and that was the moment that I like I got to the purge and I finally understood that night what people are talking about when they're talking about purging for your family. I never really grasped that before and when

I was overflowing into this bucket it was I I never wanted to end it was the greatest. One of the greatest moments in my life. And I was like witnessing myself almost from like a foot away and my face was changing into all of the people who were involved in this traumatic situation. It was crazy, dude. I was like, as it was happening, I was thinking like, Holy shit, this is what they're talking about when they're talking about purge for your family. I'm like turning into my mom. It was great. It was phenomenal. Yeah. I'll always have a special place in my heart

for ayahuasca. Have you worked at all with Syrian roux and Syrian roux with psilocybin? Yeah. Yeah. It's a good one. Psilocybin situation is, it's pretty crazy. I prefer harming and tetrahydra harming. And those are the harm allas that are in ayahuasca Syrian roux. Harmaline is kind

of pretty heavy. A lot of the time. It's really stony. And you know, for me, it plays this game where it kind of has me thinking that they're productive, but in these thought loops, where I'll like forget what I'm doing or thinking if I take enough Syrian real like forget what I'm thinking, while I'm trying to think and get to a place, but it's this like exercise that it kind of sends me on but I do I do love it and something that I find really interesting about Syrian roux versus Cappy is you know back to the vapor waska situation even like when you're taking because you know I've I've

extracted and refined like pure harmala salts from both from Cappy and from you know Syrian I've extracted and refined like pure Harmalah salts from both, from Cappie and from, you know, Syrian roux. And so I enjoy working with the pure materials for those things. And when I take Harmaline, so Syrian roux extract, which is almost exclusively Harmaline, one of the three Harmalahs, and then consume a tryptamine,

my visions culturally will be that side of the world. Like in the context of like Egypt and Africa related visual imagery, really interesting, like Middle Eastern type stuff, Hindu type stuff. Whereas if I take harming or tetrahydroharminine and then take whether it's psilocybin or DMT, any tryptamine really, one of my favorites is for ACO DMT which is a psilocin analog and it uh that's when I'll have these like Incan Mayan Aztec South American Native American-ish like imagery I find that like really interesting I'm not sure what

kind of memory bank their remote is like guiding but it's, it's as though the plants themselves are containing a genetic memory bank that they can then like fuse with yours and open you up to this thing, right? Like they're like remotes, like I said, like if the tryptamine or the DMT or whatever is this just kind of switch or doorway into these altered serotonergic function that reduces the filter that serotonin places on our awareness, which seems to be what's going on. Then like somehow some way, I'm not claiming to understand and hope to one day though is like the, yeah, they're, they're also like tapping you into their like homelands memory bank or something. It's really fascinating to me.

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So that makes sense, you know, from the differences. I even thought that too, like, doing my first dozen ayahuasca journeys were in a Native American reservation in Northern California. So like when I tapped into my kids, they told me their names long before they came out, but like bear and wolf, like those are North American animals. I didn't have a single experience with an anaconda, a condor, or a jaguar until my first journeys at Soltara. And I was like, there you are, there's the South American. And you know,

it was like literally, you know, very literal representation. But I think that's very true when it comes to the Roo. A lot of people talk about that. And Kalindi Ayi, you know, was a great, great guy who passed away in 2021. But he was known for kind of his deeper journeys, 20, 30 gram journeys. And he talked a lot about that too. He was well studied in African shamanism. I'll link to a couple things for people that want to geek out in the show notes from him. But he has like really cool, fascinating stories still up on YouTube, a lot of stuff's on YouTube, on how the Marvel Universe changed in the 1970s. Did you see those videos? There's a 30 minute

video, I'll have Cole find it. But um, he talked about in the 70s, Stanley stepped down as like the main author of everything and like really being the guy and Stanley was still the guy but he was more production side after the 70s. He realized we needed a new face of comics to kind of come in. And so we had these dudes who were living in an apartment together, two guys live in an apartment together in New York City, who were willingly and knowingly taking high dose LSD and high dose psilocybin.

And they channeled the Avengers, they channeled fucking Marvel Universe that we know. They channeled Doctor Strange. They channeled the fucking the six rings. They channeled all of it, dude. And they waited for the technology of movies to be good enough to release those gangbuster movies. They are like, we're gonna sit on this. We'll play with Fantastic Four and some

other shit films. But when we're ready, then we're going to launch these big ones that we know we need the special effects for like Dr. Strange and the Avengers and things like that. And so like they waited until it's perfect timing. Like, think of Wakanda, think of like, what you see in film, you know, how they attempted that 20 years early, it has sucked, it would have sucked like there's Fantastic Four, but they held that. And it all came out of these two guys who were routinely doing high dose journeys and just pulling it in, just seeing what's possible,

which is really cool because that was something Kalini talked about. He's like, ayahuasca is a great tool. All these are great tools. And a lot of these are great tools for healing. But at a certain point, you get to a point where you want to explore. How do we explore the cosmos? And we've heard conversations like this through Rick Strassman, who wrote a lot of the DMT science and documentary book, the whole thing.

And a lot of people saying, well, how do we extend the DMT window? And I'm like, listen, the harmeens means the harmalines, all those alkaloids are there, you know, like we can extend it. Um, but like through DMT drips and stuff in a very scientific situation, I think is that's one avenue, but like psilocybin already is that when I did high dose psilocybin, I was like, that was DMT for four hours. There's no question, you know, like it was that. And I think that's what Kalindi was pointing to all along.

But I love the exploratory nature. I don't know that I'll ever go that high again, but I love the concept of like, we have paths, you know, to different doorways and based on, you know, the collectives work in those fields, they're gonna have a certain flavor, a certain sound to it, and a certain accent,

but once we're there, we know that there's a certain, there's different paths that we can go within there, and that's exciting to me as well. Let's talk law of one, unless you wanna add anything to that. I'd love to get into, when did you start getting into the law of one, let's see if you want to add anything to that. I'd love to get into, when did you start getting into the law of one, the rock contact? I think that's check first turned me on to that years ago.

I read book one and hadn't touched the others for a while. And then I think when he was getting ready to do his, uh, he had a course on tarot, which was fantastic. And, um, in that, you know, he was talking about, I think book four, they break down the history of the tarot comes from the original Egyptian hieroglyphs and how symbols and this goes to Jungian psychology as well. A sign stands for one thing, but a symbol stands for an infinite number of things, right? It doesn't just mean one thing.

And so these, the symbology of different things, and you see this in tarot, if you really break down something, you're like, oh, the seven of different things. And you see this in Terra, if you really break down something, you're like, Oh, the seven of wands. Well, there's a ton of other shit that's in that imagery from the background to the sky, to the water, to where their feet are touching, to the colors they're wearing and the clothes and where the sword is being held and all that actually is encoded into the symbol. I found that very fascinating too.

I just diving in and rabbit hole and more of that and actually went through. I didn't get into book five yet, but I really loved that series. And it felt to me, a kin, I remember one of my first conversations with Aubrey, and I promise I'll wrap this, I don't wanna be long, one of my first conversations when I got to on it was he was like, what do you think of channeling?

And I was like, well, you know, for the most part, and I rarely come across somebody where I was like, well, you know, for the most part, I rarely come across somebody where I'm like, this chick's spot on this guy's spot on but like, sell like it just come out and Duncan Trussell and introduced him selling and I was like, that's a guy who's for sure tapped in and I was like, law one, they were for sure tapped in there's no question like you get to the there's some of the things they teach in that were on a soul level, it just rings true within you.

And so I just wanted to frame that, you know, like it's from all the channels, you know, like I've still have the belief system that very few are able to tap in fully, but there are few who can tap in fully and those that do, they leave us messaging that's undeniable, correct? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, my experience was extremely, extremely similar. I don't think you could have given me a sum of money to really fully subscribe to any of the kind of channeled materials that were floating around. I'm, you know, same as I'm blessed and cursed

with this sort of insatiable craving for knowledge. I'm also blessed and cursed with pretty, pretty strong, you know, skepticism, especially as it pertains to stuff like that. It's healthy. I feel, you know, and yeah, at the time I just hadn't come across anything that, that persuaded me that any of those types of be it, Edgar Casey course in America, you know, all the things that, but yeah, you know, and you know, I did a podcast with one of the three members who were responsible for those channelings. And, uh, in the beginning of it, I gave a pretty dense backstory as to like, kind

of how this came to be and ultimately, you know, my journey with it and this unfolded very quickly was that it became so immediately apparent to me that the information was some of the most profound information I had ever stumbled across. That I didn't give a shit where it came from at that point. If it were, if it were the greatest greatest hoax in the history of mankind, I would have been fine with that because it was so utterly just revelatory and tied up so many loose ends for me in my life and my path of seeking and my path of trying to understand and kind of cognize certain aspects of reality. But, but yeah, you know, it started with Don Elkins,

who was a professor at the University of Louisville in Kentucky, was in the 50s, I believe. Yeah, he became infatuated with UFO contact experiences. And he got his hands on something called the Brown Book, which was put together by this guy from Ford Motor Company, who had been having and developing a protocol to intentionally make contact with UFOs and who was tracking all these UFO contact experiences. And put, long story short, what was happening was there were some people reporting telepathic

contact with the inhabitants of the craft. And so the focus shifted from, we're interested in these spacecrafts to we're interested in whatever these contact experiences are. And then that quickly shifted to their interests became more centered around the philosophy contained within the conversations and the contacts that they were having by the beings on these crafts. So no one gives a shit about the spacecraft anymore because whatever they were communicating was so much more profound.

And so Don assembled a squad of like 12 of his physics students and they began trying to iterate on that protocol and they were having these meditation groups weekly. That went on for years with varying levels of success and failure and people came in and out of the group. Some people weren't having anything happen, you know, da da da. And then Carla came around,

Carla Ruckart, who was the instrument for these channelings. She's passed away now, bless her soul. But she came around and just had a natural knack for it. And she was a Christian. And so it was kind of an interesting dynamic. And she had a really natural knack for it and understanding how to, you know, quote unquote, tune the human instrument to become open to contacts of this nature. And then Jim, who was on my podcast, came around and shortly after he came into the equation was when they made the raw contact and they knew it was different. So they had already had material from other, you know, quote unquote entities, whatever, you know, collectives, whatever it is that you want to call them. And then

they made the raw contact, which introduced itself as a sixth density social memory complex, which raw is equates to somewhat akin to like a collective consciousness of a whole planetary civilization operating as one mind, like as if the human collective consciousness were millions of years more evolved and was operating or speaking to someone as a single coherent thought form

that again, as one mind. And so Ra claimed that it evolved on Venus millions of years ago, and that it had a civilization that lacked opposable thumbs. And so it's a whole bunch of really dense info in the first book. I think, you know, reading The Law of One Two is it's quite a life path and it's a journey. And it's also a journey of discernment because there's a lot there. There's a lot there. So you're constantly also asking yourself the question of like, what am I looking for?

Like, am I looking for this like millions of years old history of the planet Mars? Which that's how the first book opens up. It talks a lot about this sort of history of our solar system and some other civilizations that have risen and fallen within it. Interestingly enough, there, you know, they talk about nuclear war being the end of Mars millions and millions of years ago. And interestingly enough, these are the things that I just kind of knew right away that I wasn't going to give a bunch of energy to.

It just wasn't, it just flat out like it wasn't what I was there for. It wasn't what really fascinated me. And so, but I still read it because I did find it like kind of interesting, but I wasn't like, oh, I need to know everything I can about this. But interestingly enough, I don't know if anybody listening has seen this, but there's a Harvard scientist and who was recently referencing some work of another scientist, his name is skipping me right now, but they're making a pretty strong case for nuclear war on Mars because of the presence of these radioactive isotopes that are only that

are only generally present in these quantities after nuclear arms, whatever. And, and yeah, just some structures on Mars. And so it's really interesting kind of thread there. But yeah. And then, so this material just kind of found me and, and I began to realize immediately how powerful it was. And again, circling back to what I was just saying, I mean, it was quick. I didn't care where it came from. I didn't care. I was like, Oh, okay. They said this is channeled that kind of bounced

off me at first, but I really don't care. Like the moment I like started really absorbing the information, I was like, this is the most profound articulations of these concepts that I have ever even come close to witnessing. And I had the prerequisite of, you know, like studying various Eastern mystic philosophies and frameworks and all of these things and what you know, my brain is addicted to syncretism and like really like detecting the parallels between one philosophical or scientific framework and others that are saying the same thing in different words. And for me, the law of one's magic really lies in the absolute conciseness of its use of language

and the vernacular used and the articulations that I personally view as like perfect. Like I couldn't think of a better way to say a lot of these concepts. And and yeah, so for me, it really tied up a lot of loose ends in my understanding of certain conceptual frameworks that are present in Eastern mystic traditions, as well as like Native American and South American traditions. And everything just started to click as these loose ends in my understandings were just beginning to be tied up and just like hit me as I'm reading these pages,

like for the first time in my life, like really on a soul level, and I was hooked. I like wouldn't put it down for months. I just dove all the way in and I remember like the day after it I had tickets to Voodoo Festival in New Orleans and I went there and I just laid in the grass all day just reading all of one on my phone. My people were pissed they were like dude what are you doing? I was like I can't stop but yeah it's a really really fascinating material and man, it covers everything, every like literally everything from the nature of the creator to the nature of the creation, from how and in what kind of hierarchical order the creator

split itself from unity and infinity into manyness, why it would do such a thing, how it went about doing it, the different layers of creation, the densities that we would often call dimensions and their characteristics and how they're all translated in holographic fashion through each of us individually, as well as the whole. You really just like how to open up your heart and live through love,

really defines unconditional love too, which I wasn't really sure I knew how to open up your heart and live through love really defines unconditional love too, which I wasn't really sure I knew how to define before stumbling across that material. And you know, Rod defines unconditional love as the ability to see the creator in all things, meaning see yourself and see God and see it, right? And how that's the key to really unlocking the higher orders of consciousness

or what we would call the higher energy centers, the throat, the third eye, the crown, all of these things are just aspects of our experience here. And yeah, I mean, it just unlocked so much for me. I could go on for 10 days talking about the law of one stuff, but yeah, I'm happy to dive into whatever you want to circle to. Do you have any particular topics that light you up inside the law of one? I just wanted to say, you know, especially since COVID and I saw, I didn't, I don't want to pretend like I knew COVID was a hoax right when it happened,

but you know, I was weary of the government long before that and had seen 9-11 and different things as they were and not as the government or the media portrayed them. And so it's not like I was just waiting for the next big fucking thing, but at the same time at a certain point with enough things leaning in a certain direction,

like nobody's talking about sunlight, nobody's talking about what kind of food you're eating. They left McDonald's open, they shut down gyms. I could spend a whole hour talking about everything they did that showed it was nefarious from the get-go. That has started the rabbit hole of being able to witness, I think, for lack of a better term, evil more presently. And so I could see it in a way, whereas before I could be like, oh, it's just a money grab, or oh, there's just this. When you read the real Anthony Fauci by Bobby Kennedy Jr. You can see where the Gates Gates funded studies that purposely killed people.

Like this is in there and this guy didn't get sued because of it. Cause what he said was true, right? Anthony Fauci remdesivir studies fucking knowingly killed people because they gave them doses that would. They gave, you know, hydroxychloroquine had been around for 30 plus years. They gave them doses 50 times higher than was already in the 30 year understanding of that medicine and it killed people. It's like to me, that seems evil. You know, like a Epstein situation seems fucking evil.

I think it's a fair use of the word. But when I got into, you know, the law of one, what I really appreciated was that there were two paths that we could take as a soul, right? And our free will to direct that service to self and service to the all, which is inclusive of the self. And that, that, I was able to digest that and understand it better than like good versus evil, light versus dark. And just to me, I was like, Oh shit. Okay.

And now there's different requirements. You know, if we're going to hierarchically climb the ladder through the dimensions, there's maybe you've got that memorized, but I don't know, 55% of the time you must be in service to the self or 51% of the time you must be service to all. It's not the same grading scale for each pathway. So if you're going to be in service to self, you've really got to be in service to self in order to climb that pathway.

In service to all, you know, you can, if you have a kid and you just give everything and you do your best to raise that kid, that's enough. That qualifies you in service to the all, right? Service beyond yourself is service to the all. And so I think, I think a lot of that language started to make sense for me in a way that was less, you know, I don't know, programmed good versus evil, good guys and bad guys, super villain, superheroes kind of feeling, like that just made more sense to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, same.

And it kind of took me a while to wrap around the polarity and the service to self and service to others thing. But yeah, I agree. It's a much more, I'm cautious to use the word objective, but it's a lot more objective than our interpretation of good versus evil, which is highly subjective, right? And it's certainly a cultural and societal construct, whereas service to others and service to self. And like you said, you know, kind of what Rob and this takes a second to wrap around at first, this kind of went in one ear and out the other. It took me a really long time to understand why the premise of our density here on earth, according to rise to polarize towards one or the other. It took me a really long time to understand why the premise of our density here on earth according to Ra is to polarize towards one or the other. Right? And so as Ra says,

95% of your actions have to be serving the self, which is only obtainable through the use of manipulation, power dynamics, enslavement, and all of the things in order to polarize as a polarized service to self being, whereas 51% of your actions have to be in service to the collective, right? And both mechanisms, another part of that that took me a while to really get like, I was like, okay, I could cognize it,

but like to really understand it took a really long time, but both mechanisms are serving the creator and they're both valid choices according to Ra. There's no right or wrong. You're simply making a choice here. And ultimately, according to Ra, in the sixth density, the only, everything repolarizes back to service to others because there's an unavoidable realization that serving others is serving the self.

When you understand the law of one and at that density of awareness, you can't get there without like the next step is to fully understand and and take in the law of one right and yeah you know the law of one itself is one of those things that's really difficult to cognize and that's why I'm so grateful for some of these Easter eggs that have been implanted in our reality like tryptamines and particularly five MEO DMT is the one that'll really show you the law of one, you know, there's no proof or context necessary. And, uh, you know, as you kind of slip back into that, that formless awareness, but yeah, you know,

back to the polarity thing real quick, it's a, it's interesting. And raw, and raw says, uh, very explicitly that very, very few people polarize as fully service to self. That this takes like a lot of dedication to basically be in whatever type of prick it takes to do that. You know what I mean? So, and then you can see it in the leaderboard of the world, obviously. And, you know, that ultimately, like all of these people are serving a purpose. They're serving the plot thickening purpose that allows for us to really exercise free will and

choice-making, which further individuates us in a defined, tangible way from the unity. Interestingly, you know, the law of one starts out by talking about the distortions that create us and the distortions that allow us this individual experience and one of the early passages is this distortion is not in any case necessary but it is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things meaning that like we don't have to split from the Creator but that we chose it as an alternative to knowing everything, as an alternative to the omnipotence and the omniscience.

And so it also mentions how all of the paradoxes and polarities will be reconciled at some point in our dance through the mind-body-spirit complex that we amuse ourselves by distorting in various ways at this time. And so like what that means again is like we're doing this for our amusement. And so have you ever read a story that doesn't have an antagonist that would suck? Yeah. And so, and so, yeah. And so, you know, I I've come to like really come to grips with that over while, cause at first it felt like wishful thinking like oh I just want to rationalize like the bad parts of the human experience but in fact

like now it just really does feel like a necessity for us to be able to really learn through contrast and learn through polarity like if we're really here to understand polarity then then it just feels like an essential part of the puzzle, you know? And I think many of us, depending on where we're at, where our culture is at, where are we at war, this or that, we experience these contrasts and these polarities in various ways, but ultimately, it really seems like everything that happens to us are these catalysts that are given to us that are opportunities to become traumatized and unravel it and catalyze some sort of growth

in our understanding that ultimately like reverts back to the understanding of the collective awareness that we are a facet of this intelligent infinity and have always been and will always be. And yeah, it's a really fascinating framework and piece of material. I'll never stop contemplating it. Yeah, fuck yeah, it's really fascinating. You know, framework and piece of material, I'll never stop contemplating it. Yeah, fuck yeah, brother. Well, holding, you know, the the

piece where you talk about us all coming back in that deeper realization, you know, at the sixth level, holding that framework in mind, and also holding, you know, one of the things that I really took from the law of one was these these guy, what do they call it when I'm not recycling, but like the the point where there's a start with an R. What is it? It's almost like graduation date every seven years. Harvest, harvest, the hardest harvest. I think it's like john pulling plants out of the ground because I'm a farmer. The harvest. Yeah, they these harvest

that happen, you know, every three or so often great years, right? 75,000 years or so you know, the dates better than me. But as far as memory, sir, something like that. It's a long ass time, basically, but in the grand scheme of things, pretty fast. And that we incarnate in times like this, as we approach a harvest simply so that we can we're on we're in the fucking game when it happens, because we want to, we have a side that we're choosing. I wanna hold that in mind, unless you wanna comment on it,

but I wanna shift the gears into AI and the future talk, because there's a lot of talk, a lot of futurists that are into transhumanism, and I can see, I see all things as a tool, like a gun is neither bad nor good to me, it's a lot of talk, a lot of futurists that are into transhumanism. And I can see, I see all things as a tool, right? Like a gun is neither bad nor good to me, it's a tool. Ayahuasca is not good or bad, it's how it's used, right? Like it can be used to rape people in the Amazon or it can be used to heal people, like it's just a tool.

Doesn't mean, how it's used doesn't make Ayahuasca bad because there's fucked up shamans doing weird shit. And that said, I think AI coming on board and a lot of the ways that we're looking at things, you know, we're at some of these pivot points and crossroads where we can see if done correctly, it can lead us into really good things. I just had a great conversation with John Churchill,

who's good buddies with Aubrey. I don't know if you've met him. Fantastic dude, Buddhist background, but really well understood across many realms. And he was talking about that being in connection with a lot of the guys in Silicon Valley, knowing if we steer the ship correctly, we can make a jump. Like as a civilization, we can make a jump into something that's far greater than where we're at. But if we continue to come in with the control, control, control model,

that the only thing that can do is centralize and the only thing that can do is lead us to 1984, brave new world, fill in the gap. Right, and if you look at COVID and Operation Lockstep from the Rockefellers written in 2010, and the Paris Climate Accord and what King Charles and the UN are talking about with agenda 2030, anybody can pull this shit up and you probably won't find it on Google, but any other decent search engine, you can find everything that I

just mentioned there. It appears there's a game plan that looks like it's trying to centralize where we're going towards. And so just, you know, curious on your thoughts on that as we open up the conversation for AI, I want to have that framework in mind because you know, there, I love the potential. I had a journey on ayahuasca where it was actually right after X-Men apocalypse. I don't know if you saw that, you know, it was like the old Egyptian X-Men. Oh, yeah. I remember the fucking gold just running through the veins and the guy

just goes liquid gold. That's what I asked about humanity. I was at the reservation. I asked about humanity and technology. Is it something I should be afraid of? And I watched technology merge with me and I felt like fucking superhuman. It was crazy. But I've never had thoughts of or delusions of grandeur of like uploading my soul and consciousness into a machine. I don't hear death because I'm infinite. I understand the game. Like I don't need to do anything to remain infinite. will always be and so will you we will just change form, right? So for the for the you know, the Silicon Valley guys that are obsessed with somehow remaining them Drink ayahuasca smoke 5m. EO like you're already there. You don't need to upload consciousness into anything

But to me that seems a bastard ization of the real thing I don't think we're in a simulation now other than God's simulation Right in point we could create that right and and that would be the metaverse would be if we're if we're you know Ready player one except we no longer have a body and we leave our consciousness into this thing going forward That to me would be a bastardization of the real thing and it would be a simulation of a lesser than simulation than what we have now. Yeah Sorry, that's a lot of thoughts right there But I just want to I want to throw this out and then I want to open the doorway because you're talking about You know there there was a post in particular that we're gonna rabbit hole that really blew me the fuck out of the water

I didn't know we were there yet. So Rainier detected knowing the thoughts that have kind of just word-vomited out here. Yeah, man. Yeah, there's an infinite amount of things there. Obviously we are stepping into something that, I mean, I don't even know if the word existential like really even covers it at this point, but we're like genuinely at a species level, you know, earth wide crossroads right now. And it's interesting, you know, I talk about a lot that we're on this parallel progression right now

that is this remembrance of organic intelligence and what that really means and the tools that are available in that regard is running directly parallel to this advent of extremely paradigm altering technological innovation and advancement. And like you said, it's a tool, right? Like AI is no different than a hammer, same thing.

Build a house, bash a skull. It's really up to us and a lot of time, our technological advancements will precede our societal maturity and ability to wield the power at our fingertips. And often as well, these technologies are militarized, which is obviously already occurring and probably has been for some time now.

And they are put into the hands of corporations who use them for the number one intention of profit. Whereas this is very different. This is first of all, a technology that has the power to blow the whole planet up or literally eradicate many forms of suffering. It has the power to lead us if guided, right? And what I mean by that is like solving problems that we have thus far been entirely incapable of solving.

You know, and as this progresses, see like right now everybody like the buzzword is a GI, right? Like, when are we going to get to artificial general intelligence? And what that really means is that currently, when you have a model that is designed with a broad scope of things, it's good at it's a dumber at it, the more things that can do the dumber it is, the more narrow banded it is, the much more better and you know, greater it's going to be at that. And so, but, but we are like moving in a logarithmic fashion. And I think that, you know, as humans, like, you know, as Ra would say in the law

one, like we're attuned to space time, which means that we, we linearly think in almost all terms and that's just how we experience our reality. And so we have a real tough time understanding exponential growth and logarithm. And so like that's what's occurring right now though, in a way that is it's going to blow us really out the water soon. It's going to leave a lot of us with whiplash. It's going to, you know, that's why I was like, while I'm not, you know, like really obsessed with AI, I am like really staying on top of everything I can for that reason because I do feel like it's like our responsibility as human beings right now to like just track what's going on even if it's if you if you think it's the worst thing that's ever happened like we should

all still be paying attention I think you know and yeah you know like to your point some of the some of the things that are coming up are so beyond existential, it's crazy. And what I think you were mentioning was when I was talking about the biological genomic sequencing models like EVO2. And these models have been trained on hundreds of thousands now of full genome, we're talking about some real Jurassic Park shit right now, like actually. And but even weirder because there are models that were trained on hundreds of thousands of genomes categorized by which genomic sequences were responsible

for which traits in various organisms, researchers can now prompt the models to write full genomic sequences that embody our code for the traits that they're prompting about. So I think the example in that video I said was like make me a pink bioluminescent t-rex with feathers and like it will write a full gene sequence for this and that gene sequence can then be implanted into an enucleated cells of the cell with the nuclear DNA removed and that cell will then

basically boot up and begin executing on the functions. And so my understanding is that right now, there are still a few road bumps that have to do with metabolism for complex multicellular organisms, but that's gonna be solved within the next couple of years.

But they've actually been creating synthetic life forms since 2016. This guy, Dr. Craig Venter, has already written and produced before AI, numerous synthetic bacteria strains, which is crazy. And so we're moving into that future simultaneously as we are moving into a future of bloodstream capable

nanobots that are gonna be able to do all kinds of things within the body. We're moving into an age of brain computer interfaces, which I don't know about you, but a few years ago when we were first talking neurolink and you know, the, the kind of buzz phrase was, Oh yeah, it's going to be a brain implant and we're going to be connected to the cloud. And that was like the thing was connected to the cloud. Well, now, now that LLMs have unfolded, it's like, now we're talking about a

different ship, because if you get a neurolink or a brain computer interface and it connects you to AI to even just a large language model, much less some type of other experiential model that I'm sure will be developed, we're talking about a fundamentally different thing now. And, and you know, that's like the implications of this are so just bizarre and hard to even fathom. And then once you combine those kind of emerging aspects of the technology with AGI, when we do reach true artificial general intelligence, we're talking about a future that's not possible to see or fathom right now.

And we're talking about a future that's not far out. We're talking in the 2030s. I'm sure you're familiar with Ray Kurzwill, yeah? Yeah, that's what I was referring to with the Silicon Valley guys trying to transfer shit. Oh, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. He's the old timer that that's been obsessed with getting out of his body and uploading his consciousness, but he wasn't the first,

like Walt Disney closed his body to do the same. Bring me back. And you can keep me alive forever. Right? That's not like he's, he's, he's one of the many in a long line of people that have fallen. But keep going. I didn't want to derail. We're Rick Hirswell. Yeah. For all we know, Walt Disney's sitting somewhere right in Moana 3 right now, dude. But yeah, I mean, you know, he's talking about some really crazy shit.

And man, that guy's track record is on point for like just kind of the timeframes of when certain innovations will come to be. And, you know, they're talking about a future in the 2030s unfolding where, you know, we will have, you know, quote unquote, defeated biological aging, or rather biological aging will be a choice. So essentially, if you choose to opt into this sort of whatever technological innovation that allows us

to turn off the aging switch, the only way you'll die is by choice or by accident. Like you'll, like a car accident or or you know, whatever, whatever else. What do they call that? Yeah, a mortal, not immortal, but yeah, yeah, yeah, you can die. Yeah, mortal, but you will live forever if you don't get your head chopped off or, you know, Yeah, they're talking about AGI being able to potentially solve, you know, like all of physics, like our unanswered physics and kind of unify relativity and quantum physics, which is anybody in that field knows they don't play well together. And that's why we don't have a functional

theory of everything right now, as far as the model of reality goes. And, you know, all of these things, it's like, you know, what does it mean? And the really bizarre thing is how we're most definitely going to have to open a brand new discussion on the nature of sentience and the nature of consciousness. There's, you know, something called the hard problem in that field. And that is that we still can't define consciousness. Like, is it a system of being able to analyze the past to help you make decisions on the future? Is it, you know, certain systems of logic? Is it simply certain pieces of integrated information that takes on the ability to become recursive and self

inquire? No one really knows. So we're already at a point where like we really can't even fully define it. And so when Ray Kurzweil, and these guys are talking about shit like uploading your entire synaptic map, all of the trillions, hundreds of trillions of connections between the neurons in your brain to an artificial neural neural net, like to an artificial digital brain that actually maps out like what does what is that? What is that thing that comes out on the other side? Like we're gonna

really be like, it's cool and fun and games to like think about it right now. But we're gonna really be facing these questions soon. And it's beautiful. And it's also like, holy shit, like, are we sure we don't want to like slow down for just one second and like have a team huddle real quick and we can't now. And you know, I watched the Joe Rogan pod with a Zara skin and Tristan Harris and that like sort of first ingrained to me like why we can't slow down because unfortunate reality is it has become somewhat of a national security like, you know, threat to a degree.

And unfortunately, that is the reality. And I've kind of digested that a bit now. And those guys were talking about how these AI headquarter facilities and their training modules and everything, they're not even really highly secured and they're blowing through trillions of dollars training and getting these models to where they need to be.

And actually how AGI, the final model, which is just essentially put simply a set of weights and whatnot, like is going to fit on a small hard drive. And so how basically some countries who can't afford this R&D to actually make it happen are they're just going to go try to steal it. And so like there's going to be, you know, that whole thing happening of a new kind of shiny object for hostile countries to go try to steal and then they get to bypass the R&D and all of the countless money that went into that whatever, you know, and then we're talking about like the energy consumption aspects of it. And that's a really dense conversation too. And it's also one that I think for the first time, the product might be able to solve its own problem,

like the model might be able to reconfigure likely, very likely will be able to solve its own energy consumption issues. Once we get it to the point where it's capable of doing so. And, uh, man, it's a, it's a lot. However, I really do believe that this, uh, I don't, I don't want that to all come off as, as me being, you know, negatively oriented towards the situation. It just is like like it ain't going anywhere. So our only job right now is to figure out how to live with it and adapt, which is going

to be the most relevant skill of the next couple of decades is adapting. And so I think that there are many, many beautiful use cases of AI from solving countless health issues to really tailoring personalized education, the flow and the gatekeeping of information is going to be a thing of the past. There's all kinds of things, better food systems, better energy systems. Yeah. I mean, the list goes on and the cool thing is like, there's so much that we don't know that we don't know that it's going to be able to solve once it reaches this, this kind of sort of pinnacle of general intelligence that uh yeah and you know for me like one of my

favorite things so far well two of them really one one is once we continue to automate more and more of our day-to-day like soul-sucking aspects and tedious aspects of whatever our work is here soul sucking aspects and tedious aspects of whatever our work is here. It's going to bless us with more time and more time is going to equate to more creative capacity and creative energy flowing through us. And as I've spoken about before, like, I think that collectively, once many things are automated jobs that people don't like wake up just in love with doing, which there are many aspects of what I do. And I'm sure you do that are just tedious bullshit, like you've got to do them, but it's not

the it's not the juice, right? Once once many of those things are automated, you know, it's going to bless us with more time. And that's going to be really great. And I think that we're collectively going to enter a purpose crisis through automation. And that the only real answer to that purpose crisis is going to be bringing back creative outlet and creative expression as like the most sought after thing in the human experience. And so many people, you know, I meet all the time, have this or this or this like creative urge

and they don't find themselves with the time to be able to act on it because they're doing this or this or this, you know, for work and you know, whatever it might be. And so having that extra time. And then, you know, also, I think that there are many ways and I'm already doing this, there are many ways to leverage AI as an extension of creativity instead of a replacement. And there are many people who are doing the opposite, like you can you can already see a swarm of copy, paste, the chat GPT outputs all over the internet. And there's some dead giveaways

that I think the overwhelming majority of people aren't necessarily fine tuned to yet, but they will be soon. And then, you know, that it'll be adjusting and whatever. However, there are so many more kind of really useful aspects of language models and other types of generative models as well that can be used to enhance your own workflow or save you time again on the tedious tasks

or help you draw connection points between the data that it can contextualize all at once that we can't hold all in our brain, but not actually create for you, but rather help you understand your own knowledge and understand the points of connection between whatever it is that you're utilizing it for. I think that's gonna be like a huge wave

as we start figuring out like, okay, we're talking about it as a tool, right? Like, okay, we can do this and this and this, but like our real test of maturity is what should we do? Like, should we start right now printing T-Rexes that glow pink? Probably not, dude. But like we can. And so, right. And so I think that this whole walk is a huge catalyst for humanity at large of like, discernment and like wisdom and like incorporating our power of discernment with our own unimaginable

power that we're stepping into right now. And yeah, I mean, I don't know if we fucked that up, we might be, I don't know what happens. Blow up, Mamakai is like, okay, flood, boom, again, start over, do it again. Like, I don't really know, but yeah, I have faith in us ultimately, and it's endlessly interesting, and it's not gonna be boring.

It's like, I feel incredibly blessed to have been born in this time and witnessed such a pivotal and quick, like these kinds of changes used to take decades at minimum and like what we're walking into is genuinely the notion of the singularity, right? That Terrence McKinney used to talk about all the time, which is just put simply that the, the time gap between paradigm, altering tech innovation gets smaller and smaller and once AGI is truly, truly, truly released, right?

Per se, and can self iterate and conduct R and D on itself and recursively create new versions that are more efficient. When, when that time gap becomes infinitesimally small, like a singularity actually, what I don't even know what, what that means, what I don't know. It's going to be strange, dude, but I'm here for it. It's going to be really interesting to witness unfold. And there's so many beautiful things that I think really are going to come out of AI. Although it is kind of weird that we're going to have robots walking around like pretty soon. The robot thing makes it a whole different ballgame. Yeah, I got a video. Chuck sent me a video from Tristan Harris from a

couple years ago. He was talking about chat GBT what it could do in 2023. You know, this is a go, right? And they're already had, you know, concerns and this is after they did the social dilemma. So there's things there, but I think it was, I forget the name of the book, Nick Bostrom wrote a while back. You familiar with it? He was one of like the main guys to raise the AI questions that, um, Sam Harris and Elon would frequently discuss, but Boston's been big in those spaces. And he, he spoke about, you know, a potential AI that was programmed to create paper clips and it became so efficient that it just, it dissolved

the world making paper clips, you know, like it just, it had no stop, nothing got in its way and until it made paper clips on everything, then the fucking world ended, right? So he's like, it's a very basic example, but if there's no checks and balances, something could just keep running its function until there's nothing left but the thing that it needed to do. The other thing that I thought that was a cool idea

or concept, I'm less concerned with the paperclip ending, but AGI said something along the effect of, AGI's learning curve once it reaches that singularity point is like 25,000 years of information in a day, every day going forward. Right. Like, and that's still going to change to even faster, but there's a point where that switch becomes every 24 hours, this thing's going to have 25,000 years of education and, and you can't comprehend that. Right. It actually, that was the thing I liked. Did you see the movie her? Yeah. Yeah. Recently. Oh, I've hated it, but I remember watching that. I was

like, God damn, that's exactly what would happen. You know, like she would, she would get to a point where it'd be no longer feasible for her to communicate. You know, it'd be like trying to have a conversation with your dog your whole life and like there's nothing else but just talking to your dog. It's like, all right, I kind of need more than this. I'm sorry, I'm going to go find some humans or something else that's on like a different level. You know, I love you, you can come with me, but I need to I need to I need more. You know, it's like thinking of Bostrom's book and that intercepting point where the curve just becomes so beyond

what we're capable of comprehending. And it goes in all directions. So it's like we're thinking about one thing. Many, many of us have our heart has drawn us, our Eros has drawn us to like one of the world's problems. I'm going to solve plastic in the ocean. I'm going to solve oil spills. I'm going to fix the soil, whatever that looks like. Right. And we're talking about something that could solve everything all at once in an instant. And then the question

becomes, you know, is that allowed when you talk about the Rockefellers, when you talk about a hydrogen car was invented a hundred years ago and the guy wound up dead. When you talk about, you know, so many forms of technology have already come and gone that could have changed the world rapidly, but there was money on the line that prevented that from happening, right? Like, is it going to fix health or is it going to become a lesion? Are we going to have, you know, like, is it in the select hands of a few who become a mortal and not out there's a high buy-in.

Those are all questions too, to see how it shakes out. But yeah, I mean, I remember Elon talking about like your, maybe it was Gates actually, but they're talking about, you know, the in-house robot. I think it was Elon actually. The reason our technology of the phone has gone so ridiculous is because of the camera function and the video function the fact that it Does so much of what we want is people right and then introduce social media now

There's there's a need to always be up-to-date. So latest iPhone comes out. I don't want my photos to look like shit I want to do action videos that need a higher frame rate. Whatever the thing is I need more storage We're constantly doing this one up on ourselves. And it's, it's the economy that's driving that system to refresh itself at an interesting rate. That's, that's beyond automobiles and things like that. Right. Um, that the same would happen with robotics at home.

Robotics would start with very basic shit, like a vacuum, you know, we got, we got fucking, we got a little vacuum with its own sensors that'll go that kind of thing, right? And then it becomes the think and cook. All right, the next model can run a basic health test. You hold out your hand, it scans your finger and it tells you, this is what's going on. This is your resting heart rate. It looks like you're coming down with a cold. Take this medicine in the kitchen or or I'll fucking 3D print you some right now and serve it to you. Like whatever that looks like,

like the ability of that is gonna, we will chase that rabbit hole fast than we do cell phones. And so we're gonna see an exponential curve there too in robotics, simply due to the marketplace, right? And the desire for that help. You know, if you didn't fear the thing, I mean, they had one in Rocky IV, but if you didn't fear the thing, you mean, they had one in Rocky for but if you didn't fear the

thing, you'd think like, Oh, this thing can feed all my pets, it can keep the house clean, it can cook all my fucking meals better than I can better than most people can. It can give me the breakdown of the nutrition. If I say I want to gain five pounds of muscle, an athlete can tell it that it'll say, here's your normal caloric load, here's what we're going to increase. And here's what I'm going to make for each meal. And this is bing, bing, boom, you know, like it's complicated. It can order it's connected to wifi orders the shit in Sikartan goes down this down the

front of the gate and picks up the groceries for you and unloads it. Anything you think of there from a convenience standpoint, I think is going to be a draw. And I think I don't know why I'm forgetting his name right now. Robert Forte. Robert Forte has been on the podcast. Fascinating dude. You know who he is? You'd love him, dude. He's a great, great guy. Forte wrote a cool article, but he talked about, you know, it's not going to be 1984, where you got the gun to your head and the boot on your throat that gets us to lay down. It's going to be, it's going to be the brave new world, right? Where the seduction of the convenience, the S the fragrance of it,

the Soma of the manufactured drug that satisfies all needs, you know, like that's going to be the thing that sucks us into this docile, domesticated human experience, you know? And so like, I don't, I don't like living in that because I fucking firmly believe in free will. I also think like this time matters, right? Like when I think of the harvest and I think of where we're at from a law of one perspective,

what fucking crazier time to be alive? Like, let's do it, be a part of this. And having kids really anchors me to that too, because it's one thing to say like, all right, I can survive, here's where I run off to the mountains, X,'s one thing to say like, all right, I can survive. Here's where I run off to the mountains, X, Y, and Z. But when you got a family to raise and different things to look out for and provide for, that definitely shifts

like my intention of how I see the future, you know, and see that through my kids and see that through education, see that through what are the things that are valuable. You know, and I really agree with the point you brought up on creativity. It's funny how I can picture and tell everybody, I've had plenty of podcasts where I shit on public school and talk about all the things that domestication product does. And what have they done? They get rid of music, they get rid of art.

My buddy is listening to this podcast right now. He's got a private school. They don't have a strength coach. I'm like, you guys care about athletics. You don't have a strength coach. But music and art, that's a guaranteed one. That's just gone. Somebody posted a video of like, or a photo of kindergarten classrooms are all colorful. And then you just go into gray prison cells when you get to high school. And all that could potentially done by design. But this ability for us to really step out of our comfort zone and to dive back into our own creativity is the only demarcation

that makes something human again that our human artistry can shine through on that whether that's valuable or not. It is inherently valuable to each of us, right? Like, and I don't mean valuable like profit wise that remains to be seen, but it's valuable inherently through the art of being alive and being a human. And the fact that that gets to get rebirth is really fucking rad. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's inevitable too. Like that's, it's going to happen because like I said, like, I think I feel like the purpose crisis situation is, is going to be

inevitable. And if it's not a crisis, it's going to be an everyday all day, um, kind of thinking exercise on, okay, well, what do we do now? You know what I mean? Like just the, the, the essence of automation is, is going to be so great that, uh, we're going to be forced. Like there's not going to be any hiding that question, you know, and, and, you know, time and time again, it's art. That's always been the thing that continues to carry humanity, like to its

next phase and, you know, circling back to the topic of the law of one and the cycles of time and everything, something that I find interesting, right, is Ra also talks about this being the last of the grand cycles for Earth in third density. This is where it's gonna start. If you're not really tapping into what I'm saying, anybody listening, this can start sounding woo-woo

and trust me, it's not. So Ra talks about how, and I think the only reason that it will is because there's so much talk in the new age movement about like ascending to 4D or 5D or whatever. And people speak of that as though it were some moment of rapture where the good guys are gonna poof and just be in some alternate dimension, right?

And Ra speaks of it in that our solar system is spiraling closer towards the galactic logos or the black hole at the center of the Milky Way. And that as it gets closer and as it continues on this spiral through these larger grand cycles, it will enter a phase of the galaxy that quite literally physically has higher density light. And like what Ra would consider is the threshold has higher density light. And like what Ra would consider

is the threshold of fourth density light. And that what that means and what these thresholds basically mean when you cross them is that the interconnectedness of information becomes more apparent to the beings that exist within that light. So the density of light, which are points of interconnectedness of data, of experiential data, are more apparent to your mental constructs and your sensory perception abilities within that framework. And so interestingly, right, like also, if you subscribe to the notion of yugas, we're also on the precipice, not too long and And currently we would be in the Dwapara Yuga, according to Sri Yukteswar,

which is like looking at the smaller cycles of time and the characteristics of the Dwapara Yuga, which on his cycle, on his kind of measurement of the cycles we transitioned to in the 1700s, right before the industrial revolution. The characteristics of the Dwapara Yuga are that humankind masters

subtle energies of magnetism and electricity. And in that process goes further and further from spirit or understanding our nature as the creator until that loops back in as we move into the next age or the Treta Yuga, in which case we kind of are able to re-coalesce wisdom back in with the use of that technology. And interestingly, what I'm getting at right now is like, it seems right, like there's a whole

school of thought where people think that we're just going to poof into some like higher ascended form of humanity or whatever. But the irony in the situation is that it almost looks like externally, like technological innovation might be the delivery mechanism of that. Like it might be the thing that allows us to cross certain thresholds that then enter a phase of humanity that's in alignment with certain characteristics that Rod describes as the characteristics of fourth density planet. And so I've been finding that like really interesting.

And like I said, it's really ironic, like, you know, but I think that the result of that might be what I said, if we manage to combine and integrate these two parallel timelines of this like organic intelligence with the artificial intelligence and really make sure that they're playing nicely together and really walk into this new paradigm of tech innovation, utilizing the values and morals and standards that were passed down to us through all of these medicine lineages as well. And if we can really step into this future, holding that like seriously holding it, not just talking about it, but fucking doing it, then then I think that that's how we like really, really walk into, you know, again, what raw would define as a fourth density civilization. In other words,

like, you know, a couple of the characteristics of fourth density civilizations, according to relic, one of them is like knowing yourself as the creator on this whole like you cross this threshold of knowing yourself as a creator, in a different light. And so, you know, having and wielding and utilizing technologies like genomic language models that can print and create life and organisms, that fits that bill for me, right? And then there's other there are other technologies

that are being developed that will allow us to like interface with each other's thoughts. There's one that's being developed. Who shared this? I believe it might have been Robert Edward Grant, but he was he was I can't remember the name of the scientist who's working on it off the cuff, but they're testing it on rats right now and humans and allowing basically telepathy, in other words,

that's brought about by technology. And that's one of the other characteristics of fourth density according to the Law of One Material. That's that there's no deception. Your thoughts, you wear your thoughts on your sleeve, basically, in fourth density. And so that's another way there's no deception like your thoughts you wear your thoughts on your sleeve basically and fourth density and so that's another way that like without some kind of biological evolution that we could land there like if you if you if you were to make the choice to to take on that that technology i mean imagine if you could exist in a society where you could understand

everybody's thoughts that fundamentally changes everything about being a human like your experience as a human is forever changed. That's it like and so Yeah, I guess my point is that like technology seems like it like I said like it could be a delivery mechanism for some of these quote-unquote higher density Characteristics as Ra said we're nearing the time when earth would enter a fourth density light area of the galaxy. And then it's really crazy. And like, you know, kind of to your point, something else about the Law of One that I find fascinating about these cycles of time and the evolution throughout, throughout what's going on is, you know, I talked about this before. I teach people this stuff at my retreat too, because it also ties back into creativity

and really making your goal in life to be an individual unique expression of the creator. But it seems like this creator is stepping itself down in a hierarchy start of sublogi sublogoi or co-creators, each one called a sub logos. And that begins with the black hole at the center of the galaxy. And then the second layer of that would be our local star. So our son. And then the third layer of that would be the planetary body and consciousness. And then the fourth layer would be us. And so essentially what that means is in this hierarchy, right, like you are the essence of whatever is above you in that in that hierarchy. So it begins with kind of the cosmic logos or mind. And to that real quick the logos, which is also synonymous with love is this principle creative force of the universe. So you have God in its

latent form, intelligent infinity, which is just a sea of potential, the quantum physicist will call it a quantum wave function. And then that's distorted from then in order to create creation or infinity and to distort something means simply to bend it out of its original form or shape. And so the first distortion would be free will, which is the ability to focus in on that way function of infinite potential. The second I'll keep this kind of short, the second is is logos or love and that's the creative or organizational force like the mind that's going

to draw order and reduce entropy, it's arrows, it's the thing that seeks to reconcile polarity. And then that manifests as light, which which Ra calls intelligent energy, which it is, you know, as opposed to intelligent infinity, which is that formless consciousness, that's the latent aspect of God, intelligent energy, or light is God manifest as creation, that has been actualized by the organizational power of the logos. And so but then there's still a bunch of blanks you have to fill in as the like, well, how did we get here? And so that's where that hierarchy comes in. So the Cosmic Logos creates a supermassive black hole, which is a creator thing,

an intelligent thing, a sentient conscious thing that is working off of the template, the Cosmic template, but then can go ahead and adjust its own, like basically set its own kind of stage for the sphere of reality that we call a galaxy. And then the next level of stepping down is our star, in our case, our sun. And, you know, essentially, a star physically creates us by putting the atoms, the single Lego hydrogen protons, mashing them together in its core, and then ejecting them into space, which eventually coalesces into the planetary body. So it's creating the planet with all of the more complex elements required for life, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen,

all the things. And then that eventually makes way for us as well. And then the sun put us here in that way physically first, and then it's light or the consciousness, right? Like if light is consciousness and information as Ra says, then the sun is illuminating for our experience and therefore is us like manifest as our animus or our consciousness being filtered through the sun, through those seven energy centers that we define the human experience and our endocrine system and all of these things as kind of spearheading the white undistorted light as well as the other spectrums of electromagnetic radiation being shown into space by our sun becomes us as as the mechanism through which we can experience as our self and are the process of the sun experiencing itself through us and the

process of the creator experiencing itself through the and the process of the creator experiencing itself through the sun. And one of the interesting things that I kind of always ruminate on in that framework is that I haven't talked about before is we're talking about polarity, right? And this polarity and how it's inherent in everything in all the densities. So this is down to the atomic and how it's inherent in everything and all the density. So this is down to the atomic scale, right? We have protons and electrons. These are polar objects and they have charge and they repel and they also hold together.

And we can't really define charge. We can just explain its consequences, but physics can't really define charge. They don't really, there's not a concise definition for it. Other than that, like, like, repels, you know, and so basically, that same sort of dualistic concept goes all the way through all of the densities, according to the law of one framework, and is manifest in various ways of polarity and duality, right. And so right. And so like the service to self service to other polarity or duality is is pervasive and everything until you get to the sixth density, the upper sixth

density before as rather describe it before the transition to seventh density. So hold that hold that thought for a second, because if we are the sun experiencing itself, right, then that would go to say that like the stars are like hyper conscious sources of consciousness or or intelligences. And if we are all individuated facets of the light or consciousness contained within the Sun that is experiencing itself, then the Sun could essentially be the sixth density version of our awareness because it is a it's a it's a memory complex right as defined by Rallick sixth density is a social memory complex or a whole a whole group consciousness operating as one right if it's if it's splitting itself into us if that is the

case then the Sun is like all of us as one so it would be like the sixth density existence and we perceive it as that. And it's also modulating our experience through electromagnetic radiation across the whole spectrum. We tend to reduce light to be this little sliver of the spectrum, but light is simply electromagnetic radiation. And so it's modulating us through magnetism and electromagnetic radiation or X-rays, gamma rays, all of it influences us. It influences the magnetosphere of Earth and influences everything. And so, right, so our sun is potentially this sixth density thing. Now, to my point, it's just something, it's a lie for me, I've been ruminating on is, you know,

Ra says that at upper sixth density, like that polarity collapses and like everything polarizes or rather depolarizes as they understand the law of one. And so what I find interesting about that statement is that a neutron star is the only truly nonpolar object in the universe because in a neutron star there are no protons and there are no electrons. They're just neutrons. There is no duality. There's no polarity in that object and that's why it's so incredibly dense, like so dense and it coalesces to be so dense that like a teaspoon would weigh like millions of tons on Earth gravity and it's quite literally like a non-dual object. Like it's non-dualism

physically manifest and the neutrons are actually touching one another. That's the only thing that's actually making contact as well. That's not 99.99, whatever percent empty space because of the polarity that exists that polarity allows for existence at the atomic scale. If it weren't for that, then the parameters that give our physical matter its properties and our table of elements and all of the things that we use that and that the creator uses to weave this fabric of physical creation into manifestation cease to exist. And so but at that point, it has to coalesce into this neutron star. And after doing that, so let's just say that a neutron star is potentially like a seventh density consciousness that has gotten past that form.

So it's almost as though if these stars are hyperconscious beings, they have their own phase of evolution that even goes, the life cycles of stars, basically. And so a neutron star, most of them will collapse into a black hole as its next stage of evolution. So that is the physical parallel to when Ra is discussing a seventh density being slipping into that next octave. And so when a black hole is consuming light throughout the universe and is

eating everything around it, it's absorbing and coalescing the light and the information contained within that light of what the creator experienced of itself, of this self lesson self-catalysm and like just understanding and answering the question of what am I, what can I be and tapping into its own potential. The black hole then reabsorbs that potential and then on the inside of the black hole, it generates a new infinity or a new logos or a new output for the feedback loop. And it's identical to a feedback loop because if you take like a plus b equals c and you take c the output and you feed that back into the input, let's just say the black hole is that algorithm right of the feedback loop, which you get is that's how fractal mathematics are made and what fractal mathematic feedback loops do. Like if you look at a Mandelbrot set that's the

algorithm for infinity and it's the algorithm for holographic infinity because the big picture no matter what scale you zoom in or out it looks the same but it's not it actually generates infinite minute variations that's how these these feedback loops work and so that's what you see manifest in all of in all of creation, right? Is this like same patterns with these with these difference of appearance and different ways of manifesting, but it's the same cosmic algorithm that's like, you know, coalescing into being and these just like beautifully mysterious ways that we're intentionally shielded from as part of the design that shapes our reality and experiential capacity here.

And yeah, I just found that really interesting. It's been a lot for me lately, the whole neutron star and the stars being conscious thing, that ties back to so many things, dude, because like so many cultures, you know, this revered Sirius, that star from the Dogon tribe knowing that it was a binary star to the shaft

and the great pyramid aligning directly with Sirius that star from the Dogon tribe knowing that it was a binary star to the shaft in the Great Pyramid, aligning directly with Sirius. And so if these photons are the way that information is transmitted through space-time and are actually containing data, it's really interesting that you would set up the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid to receive only the photons from that particular star that just so happens to be revered by countless cultures, you know, on certain days or whatever. It's a big, big train of thought there that's just been like endlessly fascinating me for a long time now. And so, you know, I'm really just like starting to see the ways in which these sort of archetypal principles of evolution through densities are manifest in areas of physical

creation and then mirrored within our psyches and within our own capacity to understand our experience and generate this like kind of same archetypal play, but with new characters, new technology, new details, same play, new details. You know what I mean? And so I think that that's what we're stepping into to bring this whole thing full circle. That's what we're stepping into with this kind of this timeline that we're on right now with this OI paired up with this AI and I'm I'm under I'm operating under the assumption that this isn't our first

time doing this and that it probably rhymed it's probably not repeating the way they say history doesn't repeat it rhymes like I have a feeling that's what's going on you know and you know I sat in an incredible, profound ceremony last week. And, you know, with the Shaddi and Wachimero, and it was his wisdom and storytelling. It was the most incredible ceremony I've ever sat in in my life, and I've been around. And it was just like his storytelling

and metaphorical weaving of these old, orally passed down lineage stories were unlike anything I have ever experienced in my life and it really sunk into me that the wisdom of some of these indigenous elders particularly the Chavine I want to say you know in the mountains simply because I'm sure this exists elsewhere I just haven't been personally exposed to like Tibet and like you know other areas that probably have this kind of wisdom but the wisdom of those guys that really hit me hardest is they know

that this isn't the first time we're doing this they understand the cyclical flooding they understand the cataclysmic clock and they also as a result understand that storytelling and metaphor is time resistant and it's the only way that's gonna really portray their message and wisdom 500 generations in the future when they don't even when their language doesn't even exist anymore if you can tell and translate the stories that it is compact highly sophisticated symbolic knowledge these are not like little fables these stories I won't share any because I don't have permission to do so so I'm not gonna do that but they were unbelievable representations of the human

experience in ways that were just like so universal that, you know, I think, I think the the future, this is what I'm getting at is like, I think the future of our if our wisdom is to progress as a civilization, it's going to be through a combination of open and closed ended frameworks, philosophy and science, like a true unifying of the scientist and the mystic archetype, and an understanding of the power of both of them instead of choosing one path, it will be like this noetic aether theory situation, right, it will be a really deep integration of things like understanding the power of myth and storytelling to convey

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That was fucking great, dude. That was so good. That was so good. You know what popped into my head was while you were talking about the indigenous wisdom and the art of storytelling, the medicine men you were able to speak with from Chavín, the Quechua word, Aubrey would always talk to me about the Quechua word, you know, is reciprocity. And that is the giving of oneself 51% of the time and the receiving of 49%. You know, how that matches with the law of one service to the all is this law of reciprocity. I mean, that's so cool, because that's built into their, it was already built in their culture long before the law of one was, you know, extracted, they might have been extracting it in their own ways.

That makes a lot of sense to me. I'm here for it too. It's going to be a fucking wild ride. It already has been a wild ride in some respects, you know, and it will continue to get wilder. Part of me is like, fuck yeah, show me more. Another part of me is like, turn the fucking thing off. I've had enough. Oh man, you know, like I haven't

watched TV in years. And, and anytime I see shit, you know, we're at a fit for service event and they got regular TV, we turn on the NBA and like watching commercials of seeing what's on the news brought to you by Pfizer brought to you. I found like, dude, I can't, I can't handle it. I can't, I can't do it anymore. But, um, you got a community you're building up that looks really rad. Talk about what you've got in anymore. But you got a community you're building up that looks really rad. Talk about what you've got in store, what you've got coming up. Concert dates, anywhere people can get a hold of you

and come to watch you and see you perform. Yeah, I mean, you can always, yeah, you can find my shows at savagemusic.com slash shows, S-A-V-E-J, music.com slash shows. And yeah, you know, what I've been building, spending a lot of energy on the last two years now almost is the my collective community, the ancient future collective and you know, our ethos and philosophy is exactly what I've

been talking about this whole time. It's like teaching people how to utilize technology alongside the indigenous wisdom and other forms of wisdom, storytelling, connection to nature, weaving that back into music. You know, my philosophy is that, you know, the broader electronic music scene has a pretty pervasive, like kind of weird vibe going on. There's a lot of darkness there.

And I think many times it presents as a false light in certain ways and that polarity exists and I have no choice but to be grateful for it. And like, this is part of the choice making that we're here to do. And also I am hyper willing to offer an alternative path, like an alternative polarity,

because a lot of people think that that's kind of the only kind of vibe that exists in that world. And you know, we're here to kind of walk people into a different, a different way. And just, you know, our ethos is centered around like bringing spirit and connection to nature back into bass music, which is an inevitably digital technology. And so in doing so, it signals you at both conscious and subconscious levels, this type of music, this type of ancient future music, right? Where you're having these really organic,

multicultural sound sources, and then you're using modern futuristic production techniques to digitally manipulate them. And music as a form of art that kind of bypasses our neocortex and sinks right into the fascia and the nervous system often, especially when delivered through DJ culture, which has essentially become this kind of form of

Western neo shamanism, right, where people are it's a ceremony of its own kind, that the Western mind is really attuned for. And so you know, I treat that my job with responsibility is an honor and a duty. And so, you know, I want to make sure that the message that's being conveyed is is something meaningful and impactful. And so you know, I go about it, anybody who's heard my music, you, you know, I want to make sure that the message that's being conveyed is, is something meaningful and impactful. And so, you know, I go about it, anybody who's heard my music, you, you know, the vibe I'm talking about with this kind of infusion and, uh, yeah, I think that it,

it communicates at a subconscious level directly into the body that this merger of timelines is possible because you're experiencing it sensorially. You're not, you're not like trying to cerebralize it. It's just happening. And it's making you want to move and move it through your body. And like you're hearing the thing and it's transporting you to this ancient future kind of mental imagery and environment of you're being transported to a sonic world where this integration has already occurred. And that's kind of the point that I'm trying to go for. And you know, a lot of people have been

feeling the call to create that kind of music in particular. And so I'm basically front running that that crisis, the purpose crisis we were talking about, and the more time for creativity in that, like, I feel like part of my Dharma here is to be able to articulate in certain ways that convey the underlying intention of something of this nature, which is like to help walk us through that path and walk us through that doorway of integrating these timelines while also having fucking fun, dude. Like we're here to have a good time.

You know what I'm saying? All this stuff we've been talking about somewhat existential at the end of the day. Like I love dancing and having a good time and listening to this, so just grimy music, man. And so, you know, the thing that I do is also, it's not like rainbow and butterflies. That's the point of what I do too.

Like my music is a carefully orchestrated roller coaster that oscillates between the sonic and the profane. And when you encapsulate the entire spectrum of the human experience in that way, I think it makes people more open in my experience to the polarity and the contrast of everything and therefore more open to the positive, more understanding of the negative and then whenever you kind of take things to that like kind of you know quote unquote profane area while being groovy

and fun people can like understand and reconcile that polarity and part of that part of that ultimate like kind of seesaw that leads to you know a feeling of balance and connection with everything and so there's a lot going on at once in this vibe I think right there's a lot of reconciliation of paradox that's happening and it's fun dude it's like a sacred party you know but like really putting the spirit into it and I think it's why over the last few years like people have really been resonant with that it's been the biggest blessing in my life. I get to work with people who I've admired for so long.

I get to hang out and chat with people like yourself and that whole community, and it's just, it's done a lot. And so I think the point of that is that when you create art that's truly soul resonant with you, it's like shooting your soul in a flare gun. And that's what calls your community to you, because people who are resonant with you. It's like shooting your soul in a flare gun. And that's what calls your community to you because people who are resonant with that art, if it's an expression of you, they're gonna be like,

who's that a product of? Cause it sounds like me inside, you know, like I wanna meet that person or whatever. And so that's what happened to me. It's shaped my life being able to call in my community by just like releasing this thing that I birthed, right? And yeah, so I've been, you know, teaching this, this type of production for almost two years now. Um, so not that long.

And I've already seen just like really amazing, similar stories of that kind of stuff. And so, you know, the, the program that we run, I teach five day immersive production retreats here in the swamp in my home in the Atchafalaya basin, the most beautiful swamp in the planet. And, uh, and, you know, essentially, we bring people out and give them a full experience of like direct connection with nature for five days and just the food and you know, ceremony and the whole thing. And so yeah, that's been like my really deep soul calling lately and I've been really, really enjoying it. It's called Ancient Future Collective,

if anybody's interested. Fuck yeah, brother. Phenomenal, phenomenal. You are an incredible artist I love. I, from the moment I first heard you, I was like, wow. I remember my wife telling me about, she was telling me about you and I was like, I don't know a Savage.

And she's like, you fucking know, you know a Savage. And then she put on the music and I was like, this like, damn, it just blew me away. I'd have been dancing to your stuff for a long time. Because she usually selects for me, you know, what we're going to, what we're going to get down to. But, you know, your your your art is beautiful. It shines through as who you are. I think you made a really good point there on the fullness of it.

Right. Like my favorite movies are full. It's like Good Will Hunting. There's parts that rip your heart open. There's parts where you cry. There's parts where I'm full throttle, ready to fuck someone up. And then parts where you left your ass off. And it's the whole human experience.

Shawshank Redemption, where you're just like, there's parts of that where you're sobbing and other parts where you can fucking feel 100% alive. And I feel that to shine through in your music, brother. It is full spectrum. It is a beautiful thing. And I'm so grateful that you're teaching it. And I'm stoked for what you're bringing to the table and what you're creating going forward.

We need that golden thread, as Gazi said, to sing through, you know, everything that we're doing digitally so that way our imprint is in the technology itself. Right. Yeah. Thank you, man. I really appreciate that. And yeah, you know, one of my favorite quotes on earth is the fact that children can create beautiful music is less significant than the fact that music can create beautiful children.

And that one like slaps dude, because like it really speaks to just like how much of a cultural impact and an impact on like the belief systems and just our perception of reality. To me music is almost as almost as potent as language for understanding and perceiving our direct sense of reality. And so yeah, I think it's gonna be really important, man. Yeah, like I said, it's just, you know, one of those ways that you can bypass our abstract thinking and higher order logical thinking of the neocortex and hit, we could hit someone

right in the soul. And like it just conveys words, obviously, I mean, meaning where words fail, um, very often. And so it's my favorite thing, man. I love a good baseline with the Icaro playing over it. You know, it's just so good. So yeah. Phenomenal brother. Well, thank you so much.

We'll do it again for certain. We'll do it again face to face. Yeah, brother. Thank you for having me, dude. I really appreciate it. It's an honor to come on your pod, man. I always love talking with you. And yeah, everybody listening, thank you for tuning in. Appreciate y'all.