Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #408 From Fitness to Fulfillment - Exploring Exploring Creativity, Connection & Community w/ Christian Van Camp & Dakota Mays

Episode Date: June 1, 2025

In this episode Kyle invites Christian Van Camp & Dakota Mays of the Bio Culture Crew for an in-depth discussion. The conversation covers Van Camp's personal journey, overcoming hardships such as his sister's health issues, and the transformative path that led him to health and wellness coaching. The episode delves into the benefits and importance of intentional living, the influence of plant medicines, and the practice of mindfulness and meditation. They discuss the significance of community, conscious lifestyle choices, and the integration of holistic practices for both personal and professional growth. Kyle also shares his experiences from a Bio Culture event in San Pacho, Mexico, highlighting the daily practices, community vibes, and the transformational impact of such retreats. The podcast emphasizes the need for balance between consumption and creation, encouraging listeners to engage in activities that nourish their body, mind, and soul.   Connect with Christian & Dakota here: CVC Wellness Instagram Dakota Mays Instagram Bio Culture Retreats    Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. Looking for Shilajit? Head over to blacklotusshilajit.com and enter code KKP to receive 15% off your orderD EARN in gold and silver. Click link below for a great discount! monetary-metals.com/kkp Get back to nature. Go to EarthRunners.com and use the code KKP at checkout for 10% off. Beam Kids is now available online at shopbeam.com/KKP. Because you’re a listener to my show, you can take advantage of their limited time pricing of up to 35% off PLUS 2 free gifts using code KKP.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome to today's podcast. We have a very special episode with the bio culture crew, Christian van camp and Dakota maze. Uh, I've been following these guys online for a while and I really liked their content. I think they're incredibly creative, uh, both very fit and have excellent backgrounds. So they invited me out to one of their bio culture events and send Pacho Mexico

where I spent five days and Troy Casey was leading the event. And I love Troy podcast number two with Troy Casey is coming up here next week. So very excited to be able to release that with you guys. And I just had a blast. I woke up for five days straight. I meditated first thing in the morning, did breath work, and then did, uh, some various movements stuff, a lot of which was longevity based Chinese medicine based and a lot of which, um, Troy Casey had learned from Paul check, who's a

mentor of both of ours and just had like that set the tone for the whole day. Then we'd get in the ocean. We'd swim, come back, eat breakfast. Those all before breakfast at 10, just an amazing set, amazing schedule. I had a blast with these guys and I really wanted to, to get to deep dive with them in a short period of time. These are only about 30 minutes a piece but I wanted to know them. What put them on the map? What got them into what they're doing? And I got to learn a lot

about social media while I was there. It's been a minute since I've been back in the game. I think I took a host of four years off. So remember I'm back on Instagram at Kyle Kingsboo. Please go follow me there. If you need to hit me up, write it through a post. Don't hit me up in the DM. It's an excellent way to have me never see what you wrote me. Uh, and interestingly enough, CVC wellness. That's how he reached me. My assistant saw it and he's like, I think you know this guy. And I was like, I do thank you for sending this through. And, and I was able to hit the bio culture event. So plan on doing more in these.

These are, they were super fun. Um, love these guys support this show by sharing it with friends. If you are interested in building a following, learning how to be more creative on Instagram and social media, if you're interested in health and yoga and any of the practices that I've talked about that we talked about today, definitely hit up biocultureretreats.com and give these guys a look. They're doing really cool things in the world and I'm super blessed and happy that I was able to go. Alright, share this with friends and

Leave us a five-star rating with one or two ways the shows helped you out in life and support our sponsors They make this show fiscally possible, which means they make it possible Without the finances this show is not possible It takes me a lot of time and effort and energy and resources to make this happen so I am fucking super happy every time you guys purchase from my sponsors and remember the codes, whether it's KKP or KingsBoo 10, whatever that is. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Without further ado, my brother, Christian Van Camp. Welcome to the Kyle Kingsbury podcast. Thank you, Kyle. I really appreciate it. I feel right at home. It's because we're at, we're in your kind of your home, right?

20 minutes from here. You know, I'm here in the tangible world so far in this human experience. It's been a long time since I've, I've traveled for podcasts and I've got like a big trip right now, obviously starting here with you guys and the bio culture crew in Mexico, then off to see David Weck in San Diego. And then Paul check, I got a big, you know, double Reno coming up on his podcast and my podcast and a journey together. So

I just really stopped traveling a lot when my little girl was born because I felt like we did that too much my wife and I both felt like we traveled a bit too much when when bear was young and But this has been so nourishing to come out and just have me time where I don't need to be dad you know and to know like we can we can record and fucking have a blast and... Silly goose times. Silly goose time. Make fucking really cool content together and I'm learning a lot from you guys. So it's been fantastic.

I just want to say that from the opener with the Timis call on the ocean to the talks to everything we're doing on a daily basis. You know, I was just saying this morning, starting the day with meditation, Wim Hof breathing, and then morning movement with Troy Casey on the ocean and then getting in the ocean, that's going to be a hard morning routine to fuck with. I don't know. I can't bring that back to Texas. I don't know that I can ever achieve that again, right? Maybe we got to figure out a way to have like six months of the year down here.

You set up a kettle pull in your backyard, man. We have three natural ponds. It's not the same as the Pacific. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, man, this has been great, and I really appreciate you reaching out to me. It's funny because the odds of us actually getting to connect in the way you reached out to me, you wrote me a DM on Instagram. And that is a death sentence, I just want to say. But my assistant, Cole, who manages the whole operation,

he was like, hey, this actually, this looks good. I think you might know him. And I was like, oh, I know this guy. I was like, fuck yeah. So it didn't just die in the field of DMs. But that was great. It was a long shot and it's clear that spirit brought us together.

Yeah, super synchronistic. I'm excited for that. You know, we've got a shorter time on this podcast because I'm gonna run you right now. And then we're going to get Dakota Mays back on right after this is kind of a part one, part two, all in the same episode. But, you know, tell me, you are a physical specimen, right? Like you walk the walk, you teach you teach and talk the talk, but you walk the walk. And

I really appreciate that about you. It's something that's drawn me to you guys, but also to, to anyone in the field, right? Dakota as well, like he's not just some bone, skinny, skinny, fat Yogi, like the dude's got muscle. He looks great. He's in the sun. He's doing all the things he's living the life we live. And so I'm super appreciative of that. Talk about your life growing up and what got you on this trajectory, right? Because everyone has a story from Rob Wolf to Marxist and to Paul

Cech of where shit went haywire. Yeah. And they had to start researching for themselves. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, man. I mean, it's interesting because it's so multifaceted, as you know, so it's like picking and choosing whatever story I can get into. Ultimately, man, I've always had a creative, curious mind, open-minded. I never really contained myself in a box of like, this is the way, you know, very black and white. It was always grayscale for me throughout my life when it came to receiving information, receiving people and meeting new individuals throughout life. So in this

transformation journey, ultimately when I was a younger boy throughout my high school days, I was an explorer when it came to the psychonaut things of just like being introduced cannabis and that was the first catalyst for me when I was a freshman in high school to just like, whoa, this feels really interesting. Like this new experience of the psychoactive substance and really connecting with the plant a bit more. And it was more for, you know, of course, party purposes, just having a good time. But there's always this like layer of intentionality that was wrapped in it for me personally. My friends, I was doing it not as much. That's segwayed into, you know, me, you know, expanding my

soccer years. I played a lot of soccer, ran a lot of track and field because I got dismissed from the baseball tryouts freshman year. I got all the shit from my friends in that. So I was like, okay, how do I transmit this energy? Tried out for track and field, started running 400 meter dashes, four by fours, 200 meter dashes.

Really got into that world of just sprinting and competing side by side with a lot of the black dudes that are just freaking insane athletes, which is really cool for me as a skinny white dude that's just like going back side by side with a lot of the black dudes that are just freaking insane athletes, which is really cool for me. It's a skinny white dude that's just like going back side by side with them. So that was an ego boost for me that led me into that. But so I always I was always into activity and fitness. I was always kind of moving a lot and exploring a lot. I also got into the party stage and I know you've had this for a chapter of your life with alcohol. You know, I just really just never had any sort of

patience with alcohol. I would numb myself quite a bit when it came to parties just chugging stuff I remember one night just having a ton of fireball, which by the way is absolutely insane I looked this up a while ago and gold slugger one freaking shot of fireballs like 20 to 40 grams of sugar By the way, whoever knows what kind of sugar I looked that up. I was like, dude I remember drinking a bottle that so that's like 300 grams of sugar, plus you have the alcohol, which causes all the insulin and resistance too. And I remember just gagging up, there's one night I had so much of it

that was puking that cinnamon flavored sugar bomb. It's fucking nasty. And I just remember like, what am I doing with my life? It's like this numb, dull feeling. My friends wrote dick pics on my face the next day. I have all these freaking like, all these like Sharpie marks on my face. I'm like, fuck, what am I doing?

You know, I'm like 18, 17 at the time. After that, I got out of high school and I had this void in my heart when it comes to fitness, when it comes to a lot of these extremes of having the camaraderie, you had this too as well as sports. And so I was like, okay, what do I do? What do I do to transmit this energy?

And before I even get to that, a preface here is my little sister Nina is one of my biggest inspirations. She was born with hypoplastic left heart syndrome, which is basically like a two chambered heart. So all throughout her life, she's two years younger than me, she would have these debilitating low energy spirals. Her lips would turn dark purple from the low circulation, constantly in and out of the hospital with procedures. She had one year of pneumonia that was really deep. She came back home just always in and out.

And in December actually on Christmas day of 2013, she was administered to the hospital Christmas day. So we're having this family event. She woke up, she just couldn't move. She couldn't breathe. I remember how terrifying it was. Brought her to the hospital. We thought it was just gonna be in and out

one of those times, but she ended up actually staying in the hospital for three to four more months losing weight under a hundred pounds just like absolutely like shrinking into oblivion and her life was failing her heart was failing really bad this happens it's very common like most people with hypoplastic left heart syndrome don't live very long so you know my mom is going in and out of the hospital staying nights losing sleep my mom's stressed my dad's stressed my sister Ellie's stressed we're all stressed like crazy just wondering if

she's gonna to survive. Eventually in March of 2014, they were like, she needs a new heart, she's going to pass. Luckily, fortunately, but also the unfortunate nature is someone has to die for her to continue onwards. So she received a heart transplant, and to this day it's been her 10-year anniversary actually of having this new heart that is pumping, keeping her alive. And so she's gone through a lot. And just recently last year, she had another spiral of getting diagnosed with stage four lymphoma.

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So during all this time, I was super inspired by the fact that I didn't have anything specific happening to me that would negate my life from going forward. It was never, so I lived vicariously through her, seeing her constantly have these gut troubles, she was diagnosed or basically prescribed a high amount of antibiotics, amoxicillin, so her gut is completely devoid of the bacteria.

So all these little things culminated to where I'm like, okay, during this time in high school, she's going through these epiphanies, had her heart transplant. I'm like, okay, I can get into fitness, graduate high school. And one thing led to the next, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna start diving into this world

of optimization, listen to a Joe Rogan podcast with Ben Greenfield talking about black ant extracts and all these weird novel things. Like, well, this is weird. So I went down a wormhole of listening to Ben Greenfield for a long period of time and all these different things. One thing led to the next, basically, I went from fitness as my ultimate passion,

realizing that's something I really wanna get into, start building muscle, more of the jug head just going into the gym, just lifting weights, more for like muscle and not being a skinny little runt. And then I realized that's not enough, okay? So I discovered Paul Chek, started discovering a lot of the nutritional realm. You know, getting into some of the dietary things with the primal diet, looking at the different equatorial individuals, polar individuals, you know, where are you from and how that

relates to your physiology, your DNA. So nutrition became the next facet on that. Study that, went to university for human nutrition, exercise science, kinesiology and college. Probably learn more from Czech on nutrition than university. Well this is actually funny, I'll get into that actually. It indirectly taught me so much because I'm going to these auditoriums where everything is brainwashing, man. They're teaching us FDA, USD guidelines, all these things.

There was obviously a lot of things that helped me when it came to understanding scientific things biochemistry anatomy and physiology I just loved those things because they made the most sense But when it got into a lot of the applications of like what's good food and what's bad? I was like, this is all fucking bonkers I just knew it all along and I remember one one time in the auditorium. It's like a hundred plus individuals in it And I basically raised my hand because they're, it's like 100 plus individuals in it. And I basically raised my hand because they're talking about raw milk

and now pasteurization is superior to raw because you can have all these, you know, Listeria getting from it. And I'm like, what the fuck? You can actually get Listeria researching it more from spinach than you can from getting from like, it's just wild stuff. So I raised my hand, I'm like, you know,

I actually had this PubMed study saying that like low dose raw milk for infants in vivo studies, randomized controlled trials is actually favorable for immune system health and all this stuff. And I remember she totally dismantled the argument with a strawman accusation and cracked a joke about it like, oh, you don't know what you're talking about, you're just a kid who's going to school. And she's like a 60 plus year old, like one of my professors or whatever. And everyone in the classroom laughed and then they went back onto the USD guidelines show,

the food pyramid or whatever. And I remember just in that moment feeling so isolated and alone with the things I was learning in school I was like I'm not gonna stop fuck this this doesn't dismay me from where I'm going with all this so just kept relentlessly studying the nutrition and whatnot outside of the educational system Rockefeller and that led into like okay shit there's a void here what am I really missing it's spiritual connection It's connection with a higher divine light. It's God, it's family, it's community, right? It leads into like some of these areas of like, what is true longevity?

It's community, it's conversation. So really started delving deep into the archives of my mind, my soul, meditating more, practicing breath work, just exploring different things, like even testicular slapping and massaging, just like Montaxia related things. I'm like, whoa, I'm getting down all these wormholes. And I started making content around this time.

This is actually like 2018-2019 started posting some content at the time with Instagram. It wasn't as much an emphasis on the video format is mostly pictures. Started posting little things with captions about how families and poor and pictures of me and my family, you know friends and stuff. Posting pictures of my drunk days four years prior of just you know getting into a lot of the party mode and just saying Hey, this was me and like that's not it. I don't do this, just getting into a lot of the party mode and just saying, hey, this was me, and that's not it, I don't do this. Get into more of the light and everything.

And one thing I did next, I just started posting the video format when it really started blossoming on Instagram. And that just spiraled up after a year. I started getting 50K followers, 100K followers. I'm like, whoa, I'm making an impact with this little Matrix device. I'm merging with Matrix in a way that's favorable for me.

And so, yeah, ultimately like going through this creative expression through the internet and vocalizing the things I'm learning is what's led me into this path of having more of this freedom. My little sister Nina's inspiration, my older sister Courtney, she was also going through a lot with the Marine Corps.

She was, you know, brutally sexually abused in many ways. She was on a lot of heroin and a lot of things, family fights, you know, yelling, just getting out alcoholism. But I was always a family man. Deep down we have a very close-knit family and today we're all still alive and very well-knitted. But all these like little cathartic shifts and pain, the pain teacher, man, the pain teacher, I didn't let it turn me into this why me. I let it turn it into like, let's make something and alchemize something

out of these things. So here I am today, you know, I've coached over 400 clients on all things nutrition and exercise, and also some of the deeper notes of purpose and mindset, especially working with men as a men's coach. And now it's transcribed into making content, doing brand deals and really sponsoring and collaborating with brands that are so well-knit

to my value system of vitality sovereignty all those things and Now I'm here, you know hosting retreats at bio culture, which is like my true bread and butter essence of like my icky guy You know, I really feel this comes natural to me. This is something the world needs It's what I love I can make money from it putting that all together to where this is just like the life I wake up every day just like, almost like trying to find something to fucking complain about. It's a weird thought. It's like life is almost too good right now.

Is there something that's gonna happen? Not consciously anything like that, but it's almost like a subconscious thought that comes up. It's like, why is this going so smooth, Kyle? Where's the brick in the road at any point now? I know you experienced this too, where it's like, fuck, your family, your wife, your land you're on. So it's been a beautiful cathartic journey of up

And down, you know speed bumps and whatnot And so now I'm here just sitting across from you and you know, I've looked at your work I've listened to your podcast years ago And it's crazy how all of this just starts aligning like a mycelium network when I have one thought Cast into the oblivion of the matrix or whatever it may be through podcasts and listening to consuming information Paul check it all bridged the gap where it actually, I got to meet Paul Cech two years ago and go through the HLC too,

and like all these things that I never really put a direct goal setting focus on, it just happened to eloquently with trust and faith and just presence. And so it's beautiful, man. It's an absolutely beautiful like journey of life, like crazy. It's the best brother.

Yeah, the synchronicities, as we step into our Dharma, those synchronicities start to line up in a way where it's like clockwork. Yeah. And a lot of people would say I'm lucky or you're lucky or privilege or whatever the fuck, but it's like, no, there's a lot of work that's done to get to those spaces. Even Tony Robbins, he talks about having the shit beat out

of him and growing up super poor and all the things that he went through to become who he is. And I'm not saying this guy is a saint or anything like that, but it's easy to nitpick somebody who's having success and just calling them lucky or privileged. I went through that a lot too. I just feel like there's, I love the true story behind that. You've had a lot to make you into who you are today. And being here with you guys, it's like, this is fucking rad.

I mean, I've been doing retreats for seven years and like, this is A plus. A plus food, A plus people, A plus design, A plus education, all top down, just fucking rad. A plus place we're staying at. Yeah, and the thing is, it's, you know, we're creating like the container for it in ways, but the water that's, what's the point of having an empty glass

if there's no water in it? It's just empty space. So the water is the community leverage. That is the eighth wonder of the world, as Dakota, we'll tune in on him pretty soon, but he calls it the eighth wonder of the world is community, it's collaboration. Collaboration is the true way to just leverage

and take your life to the next level. It's utilizing what other people can offer and actually not looking at the word as use, as negative, but like I'm using you, you're using me. How do we do that in a symbiotic way where it's not I'm taking from you in a way that's like out of the betterment of me and the worse off for you. No, it's like I'm using you and your information, your intellect, your soul to create more for my life. And at the same time, I'm pushing back this information. Yeah, there's reciprocity. Dude, that's the core of life itself as a community.

This human experience sucks so bad when you're in isolation. I've gone through pits of just being so isolated, driven to my laptop, driven to my phone, just working, working, working. But I was like, for that period of time, it was worth it because it's that lonesome chapter we were talking about and referencing earlier. Owning that part of your life is so critical, that monk mode, that internal dialogue you process and work through. The hermit mode. The hermit mode, yeah it's absolutely essential. So you know if anyone's in that position right now like own that. It's actually, you can make it fun. You know I made it fun where I was just like, I basically had my house in Arkansas just actually a year and a half ago.

I had mold exposure that pushed me out which is where I'm living now in the Ciudad de Mexico at this moment. Ultimately, I would be grinding for about a year, two years, just enjoying having all throughout the seasons my garage. I pimped out into it. I had a plunge, an ice plunge. I had my workout equipment. I had all the mats down.

I had all the fun things, red light therapy, all the gadgets, and I would work on my floor desk, on my laptop, with natural light in my eyes, because I was so obsessed with circadian function at the time, and to where I was like, no matter if it was 20 degrees outside Fahrenheit, it was like freezing cold temperatures, I would bundle up, my fingers would be so cold typing on it, because I was like, I can't be upstairs in the box, you know, it just wasn't going to happen. I've always had that too deep in my essence of this entrepreneurial spirit, this ability

to just realize that I don't want anyone to tell me what to do. I'm very stubborn in that way. And I know you got that too, where it's like, it comes at such a light for me. But yeah, just grind away at this laptop, working on things, building up courses and whatnot. And here I am again.

Just like, wow, all that grinding in a way that was presence grinding, it wasn't like the grinding, like the workaholic energy, it was like I had purpose through it. So I was penetrating that life force through all the things I was creating toward, now it's just like I have so much more free time, which is so interesting, like all those times I didn't have free time, now it's created the freedom.

It's beautiful. Yeah, absolutely, brother, that resonates big time. What do you guys see going into the future? Yeah, we were just asked that actually in the circle. You might've heard like Vishal asks, what is your five year vision with bio culture? Yeah, specifically with bio culture, man, we want to turn this into an all encompassing holistic brand where it's something that is incorporating the community leverage, whether it's the internet having like a school or circle, but it's also leveraging products that really serve people in a holistic fashion through natural remedies, right?

Connecting with maybe cosmetics in the future, expanding into that industry. We have clothing we're launching this year with 100% organic linen, shirts, organic cotton hats, and representing the brand that is really just embodying the going back to the basics. So ultimately, it's hitting all these different industries similar to almost what Amazon's done.

I mean, if you go on Amazon, they have all the different stuff, other brands are on there, but they also have their own brands in every freaking industry. It's insane. They got gadgets, they got air purifiers, they got the most wild shit ever. That's just batteries. Anything really is Amazon at this point.

We're basically competing with Amazon. We're competing with the Nikes like they're Speaking of competition not really competition, but at the same time we need a fucking control I'll delete these companies that are destroying the planet making people sick You know poisoning the water poisoning the air polyester materials plastics petrochemical derived things like we're here to eliminate and evacuate all of that shit And replace it with what we're offering which is complete natural holistic things to bring people back into their embodiment within themselves. This could be the Cosmecs,

this could be obviously expanding the retreats, but also taking the retreats in the next level through a festival. We really wanna embody the music and arts. We wanna embody the healing modalities within it. Sin alcohol, without alcohol, without all those things that give us into that spirit, the spirits of taking us away from center line.

So ultimately that's where we see this is getting land, having people on land, that's the big picture. Us coming together and having a symbiotic culture, bio culture of individuals working together and just making it to where it's leveraged through nature and what Mother Earth is providing us every single day. So that's the foundation to it, just expanding all these different industries

and colliding it to the people and making just millions of lives impact. Yeah, fuck yeah. Keep going brother. Reach, reach, reach. So good, so good. Where can people find you? Where can people come to these retreats

if they're interested in it? This is, like I said, A plus from top to bottom. I'm stoked to see what we can create together in the future, but where can people find you in particular and where can people learn more about these retreats? Absolutely, so I go by CVC Wellness. It's kind of my little archetype online. So pretty much if you just look even just on Google

CVC Wellness, you'll find everything on me. But you can look at cvcwellness.com. Go to at CVC Wellness on all platforms. I'm very active on Twitter, very active on Instagram especially. So here to provide that fortified satirical content, just shitting on things, but also educational and just here to keep it light. So that's content, you know, just shitting on things, but also educational and just here to keep it light.

So that's where you can find me with all this. Beautiful, brother. And as we'll mention here for biocultureretreats.com is where people can find. Exactly, got that right. All right, cool. This will all be in the show notes and you'll hear it a second time

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earthrunners.com and use the code KKP at checkout for 10% off. Your favorite drugs of choice? Favorite drugs of choice? Well, there's there's like categories, right? So I think of, if I really want to do deep work, ayahuasca is probably at the top of the list. Mushrooms has such a beautiful variety from, you know, the concert dose, the micro dose, into the deep journey work. And then kratom's been great too.

Kratom's great for pain, energy, there's a euphoria. Tobacco's probably number one though. Yeah, yeah euphoria. Tobacco is probably number one, though. Good organic tobacco has to be number one, especially with all the trauma to the brain that I've had. Nothing quite gives me a spark, like a little coffee and tobacco. It's so funny the misnomerous people have when it comes to understanding the true essence of nicotine

and tobacco. Everyone just thinks it's laced with rat poison. But when you actually go back to the origins, nicotine is just so. I mean, we have nicotinic receptors all throughout our body, right? So it's like activating that. You've noticed it's helped with acetylcholine, brain memory,

and whatnot. Yeah, it gets everything firing. And it feels good, too. You're just like, all right, cool, man. I heard Rob Wolf with Ben Greenfield years ago. And Rob was getting ready to do a talk for the Navy SEALs. And they're like, all right, tell us about our training, tell us about food and tell us about nicotine. And he's like, you guys train harder than I do.

I'll talk to you about food. Why nicotine? And he said everyone in armed forces uses some form of it. What are the best ways to do it? What are the worst ways? And he's like, nicotine, you know, with all the research he did isn't even that bad. Now coming personally from Ayahuasca and things like that was my first introduction into working with that Ceremonially and with respect and reverence and understanding, you know the concert the orchestra that happens when those plant mixes just like a whole

Different experience and way to appreciate that medicine and all its forms from hape to ambil You know, like just the wide variety of uses and how long it's been used by indigenous cultures From the fucking North Pole down to the equator and everywhere in between. Everywhere, worldwide, yeah. So it's been a true plant ally, one of my favorites. What I love that you bring up is you immediately go into ayahuasca, kratom, mushroom psilocybin,

then you talked about tobacco. What are some other drugs that give you some essence that aren't necessarily qualifications for drugs? What gives you that sense of, oh, this is really getting that dopaminergic receptor slid up? I mean, there's organic drugs, right? I think Dennis McKenna once said that we're just a walking bag of chemicals.

Yeah. Test tube just plopping. Once we figure out the epigenetic on-off switches and where the light switches are in our own neurochemistry, we can alter that all the time. I was joking about getting my smack, my daily dose of cold. There we go, exactly.

Sauna, these are things that changed neurochemistry for me in particular for a very long time. If I had sauna and ice bath in the morning, I feel different the whole day. It sets me on a different trajectory. And if I don't have time for it in the morning, and I got a hard day's work, shifting gears, coming out of work before I gotta show up and put on my dad face, that's one of the

fastest ways to do it. Even if I only have a minute to get in an ice bath before I have to be dead, it's a reset, you know, and it changed the neurochemistry, but it also, there's a euphoria with that, right? And that euphoria is addictive. Absolutely. I mean, that's why it's been such a trend we see over the past years with Wim Hof and everyone doing their ice plunges and whatnot.

A lot of people have turned it into more of a masochist energy, obviously. But I think this goes back to what you mentioned with ceremony and intention with all of these things. Like, what are you really doing it for? Is it out of despite within yourself, or is it actually for like an embodiment practice, right?

Yeah. I mean, the pissing contest can always leak its way into any arena, right? Any arena, yeah. Yeah, it's funny. I got in a big pissing contest can always leak its way into any arena. Yeah, it's funny. I got in a big pissing contest with NAD treatments. Oh yeah? Yeah, I got down to like a whole bag. We would do it.

It had to be a drip, right? It couldn't be a push. You drip it fast too? Were you really feeling the pain of it? 16 gauge with a blood pressure cuff pumped up. And I did it under four minutes. Really? Oh my goodness.

You get nauseous? You get any of those things? If you do Wim off breathing during it, it totally negates it. Interesting. So like, you go into tetany right away. I don't know how healthy this is for anybody. This isn't recommendations.

So I'm not just going to make legal claims to anybody. Personal experience. Personal experience. I have, at the Pizzing Contest, touched me in different ways, you know? So I can't talk too much shit there. I'd be a hypocrite. But at the same time, yeah, there is,

what is the relationship that I have with myself and why I engage with stuff? Is it because I'm unhappy with who I am or is it to be more of myself, to be a better version of myself? This is a beautiful segue, because you're mentioning these things that you have such an intention with every day,

and whether it's these exogenous compounds that we can interact with and feel different emotions from or just psychedelic experiences from. But then we also have your past experience in some of these things of drugs, right? This is, I know you were just mentioning how profound it's been for you in shifting that mentality around what is really helping you unlock your highest essence.

So tell us more about your past history and that profound story you've had with some of these drugs and things of your past that have led you into where you're at today, which is true vitality, honoring family, honoring the foundations. Like, where are you at with all of that in your past sequence of events? Yeah, I mean, I had a... I don't know how to grade my childhood,

but there was some challenges in it. And parents fought a lot, a lot of verbal stuff, not a ton of physical, but, you know, it was daily. And I walked on eggshells and that stuck with me. I loved fighting when I was a kid. Street fights felt like, before I knew anything about flow state,

that was the first time where the world quieted down and the only thing I had to deal with was right in front of me. And I couldn't even put language to it, but I loved it. And I loved football. And I started drinking at 13 years old, not a lot, but enough. And then enough to puke, you know.

Yeah, when you're that young, 13, man. I was in Mad Dog 2020, St. Ide Special Brew, all the nasty flavored shit. And, you know, started football at eight or nine, was a walk-on at Arizona State University. We were the number one party school in the nation for the three years I was there. Arizona is huge.

In Playboy, right the number one party school in the nation for the three years I was there in Playboy right number one and you know when you happen to be an ASU football player you know things are free things are encouraged and it's and it's easy to party especially in that atmosphere so I had whatever I wanted and you know I even had from a street drug standpoint cocaine was free ecstasy was free alcohol was free that kind of stuff even at these nice bars in Scottsdale, I'd throw a 20 down to my favorite bartender and she'd just fucking serve me drinks

the whole night. Load you up, yeah. Right, load me up. And there was some balance necessary because I still wanted to perform, even though I was a bench warmer at ASU, like I treated it serious, that was my job. That's why I was going to school. And, you know, as a 21, 22, 23 year old,

I could burn the candle at both ends and still perform. You know, but that, when football ended, that was my major outlet. That was the thing that was giving me joy and purpose in life. And I had no idea what I wanted to do. I just knew I didn't want to finish school. I fucking hated it.

And combined with a lot of un-dealt-with shit from growing up and relationship issues, decided I was gonna take my own life. So I took every pill in my medicine cabinet, Xanax, Valium, Vicodin, down to mall, drove to the top of parking lot seven to jump. And I don't know if it was the drugs actually kicking in, but it really felt like that was my first contact

with a higher power. And I could just feel this wash come over my body of ultimate peace, like this is what awaits and just the words not yet. I didn't hear them, I felt not yet. And right at just immediate recognition, I started crying, I was like, oh shit, okay, cool. I'm gonna live, all right, whatever this is,

I will have that peace, but I'm gonna live. And right at the same time, the security guard popped his head up and he was like, oh shit, you're naked. And I was like, piece, but I'm gonna live. And right at the same time, the security guard popped his head up and he was like, oh shit, you're naked. And I was like, oh yeah. Oh shit, I am naked. I am naked. I got a robe, I'm gonna come down,

but I ate a bunch of pills and I probably need to go to the hospital. You know, and I woke up a couple days later, my family had flown out from California and that week was really transformative for me because we did family therapy, we did a bunch of shit. I get to say what I'd wanted to say, you know, my whole life without the need for acknowledgement

or apology or anything. Appraisal or anything. Right? None of that. Right? Just to get it off my chest. And then it popped the bubble of what I ought to do, what I'm supposed to do. Right?

I didn't have to finish college anymore. I didn't have to go into sales. I didn't have to go into sales. I didn't have to have a six figure job. I didn't have to fucking do the right thing. I could really just sift through and I had no idea what I wanted. I just knew what I was missing. I was missing the camaraderie and fighting

and that team atmosphere, you know, the brotherhood and going to workout at 24 hour fitness alone felt like beating off. Like it was just the, it wasn't it. And, uh, so that's what made me get into MMA. I was like, well, here's something where I can learn something new each day. It's a sport, right? I'm not just doing fucking curls in front of the mirror. Exactly. Skill-based and, uh, and, and useful, right? Like this,

everything I acquire in that actually transfers to real world. I wasn't fighting a lot in college, but it would happen from time to time. Like there's a use there. And I didn't have any idea it would be a pro fighter, but one thing led to another. You know, I had a guy who was, he owned a local gym and he said, Hey man, you know, you're, you're, you're tall, you're handsome and you're an athlete. Come fight pro for me. If you, if you like it, you keep going.

If you're not, you can say you had a pro fight. I was like, all right, that's pretty good bait. So I jumped in there and my first two fights, I won in under 30 seconds. And then I really had to sit down and be like, oh shit, if I'm gonna do this, I gotta take it serious. And so little by little, I started taking it more seriously. And when I got to AKA, I was seven and one,

I'd moved back from Arizona to back home. And my boxing coach who I had there was a mestizo Aztec, Weetzee. It's short for Weetzee La Poche. Wow. And Weetzee was, he was a cup man in the UFC. He cornered a lot of guys. He cornered me in some of my fights,

fight of the nights, awesome dude. But he would take us out for traditional sweat lodges. We'd do the Tamez call, we'd do the Anipi. He had worked a lot with the Lakota as well. And then eventually we started working with plant medicines. He had worked a lot with the Lakota as well and then eventually we started working with plant medicines and so little by little, you know, fighting gave me the impetus to want to treat myself better and because I got into it late, I knew I

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Yeah, very basic stuff. It actually transfers, right? Now I'm recovering faster. I heal quicker from getting my face punched in. I have better endurance. My body moves better. It's more me, right? It's like less stiff and confined.

Less 24 hour fitness training. Absolutely, absolutely. And so all those things kind of layered in throughout the fight career. And I have, I have my boxing coach to think he's, he's no longer passed away, but for getting me into the plant medicines and just really broadening the toolbox, you know, and from there I retired in 2014, all gears shifted from performance to longevity. Like what's, who's leading in the longevity space that's actually walking the walk.

Right? And I've always appreciated guys like yourself, guys like Paul Chek, who actually live what the fuck they're talking about. Right? Because David Sinclair is not, he's not walking the walk for longevity. Right. These guys aren't walking the walk. They're not, you know? And so it's not to poo poo on people or name call. It's just to say, when I look up to people who actually have the living embodiment of what they're preaching and talking about, and I've been gravitating towards them. So even in the longevity space, there's plenty of that, you know, there's biohack your way to 200. There's do this stuff. There's the Dave Asprey's of the world. But really these foundational principles of ancestral living, you know, and, and, uh, and community and what, what allows us to thrive in our existence really matters.

You know, when you think of like, like the, the French paradox or blue zones and things like that, a lot of people will, will automatically assign. It's this, this is what they're eating. This is why they're living that long. Or this is, you know, they know they'd have one shot glass of, of organic tequila at night or whatever the thing is. And it's like they, they're eating. This is why they're living that long. Or this is, you know, they don't, they have one shot glass of, of organic tequila at night or whatever the thing is. And it's like, they, they have community, they have people that they love and they walk more and they're in front of screens less and all those things. It's the whole concert of their life that make it worth living and what it is. And that's why they have less

disease than we do. Right. And so I think that's been a big driver for me too, from a toolbox standpoint and a neurochemistry standpoint, you know, like how do I feel? It's knowing the tinkering that I can do through hot and cold, through hitting a bag. And there's some things I still train martial arts to this day because there's some things running and lifting weights won't give me, right? And I just need it in martial arts. But beyond that, you know, it's who are you spending time with?

What are you doing your day to day? What gives you, as Paul Chek talks about, Dr. Happy. Where's your Dr. Happy? And not just long term, where's your Dr. Happy each day? Tickling my kids, having a dance party in the dojo when we're done boxing, all that shit just fills my soul. It always goes back to the basics of how can we worship the simplicity of nature and go back to the yin

practices because we're in such a yank society and as you were expressing like you went through this cathartic shift of just like Go go go energy. It sounds like training hard and then you had who was it again that came into your life that you had in your early 20s? Yeah, so he came in and then he introduced you to this entire world that is completely foreign to most individuals in America You know where they're just constantly in this what's the next thing outside of me to unlock within me? And it's really always just like, the unlock is already within yourself, but it's just activating that through these simple understandings that nature has all the tools. The yin practices are really what bring us back into the yang and being able to have the output, the expression. And yeah, I see that with your work. I mean, you've shot over 400 podcasts just with your Kyle Kingsbury podcast, right? And just seeing

that, that output, you wouldn't have been able to do that if you weren't coming inward and actually taking advantage of the shadow work. So I'm curious, when you went through this different phasing of stuff, what led you into the true optimization? Was it finding out that you had a lot of pain in your body?

Was it a pain in your heart? Was it a pain in your spirit that led you into this? Or is it more physicality-based? What was the tangible thing that led you into this? Or is it more physicality based? Like what was the tangible thing that led you into making the next steps? In your mid-20s it sounds like that was the big thing. Yeah, I mean there's layers to the game, right? I mean I think Czech really planted the seed for me

because at the point when I was introduced to his stuff, Paul really planted a seed that it's still in there. My strength coach was like, hey I want you to read this book. I think you have some kind of intolerance. And I was like, I, I want you to read this book. I think you have some kind of intolerance. And I was like, I'm not gonna fucking pick up a book. I'm done with school. Never again.

Books are out. And he goes, would you watch this video? And it was flat in your abs forever, right? I'm like, fuck yeah. Hook, line and sinker. I'm pulled in. I want a six pack. Let me get this fucking-

Yeah, it's always this marketing. They work every time. And Paul's in there. He's talking soil health, regenerative agriculture, fucking the microbiome before anyone, 20 years before anyone was talking about this stuff, and intolerances and food allergies and everything else.

And so I did just a little cleanse and started going through, really sifting to see like what is causing what. And as I adopted that, that was the first layer. And the reason it's such a big layer and I repeat it is the fact that that planted the seeds for all of the seeds. I did go and read How to Eat read how to eat movie healthy my wife and I fill out this questionnaires a dozen times over the first ten years we were together and because the body changes, you know, and we're different and

But doing that allowed me to hone myself in a different way. And then I was like what the fuck else is out there What other books am I not reading that can give me that check level of education and change my life for the better, right? And so that was a huge fire lit under my ass that lasted my whole fight career. And things come in layers, right? Like you sit with Ayahuasca and they talk about that. We're peeling one layer of the onion at a time.

And for people who have a lot of trauma, like the good news is you don't get to fix it all in one whack, right? And the good news is you don't have to, right? Like you can come in layers and there's been times where I'm like, my intention is to do the deep shit. I want to, you know, I want to really want to go deep and heal this thing. And it's like, no, no, no, you're not doing that today. I was like, really? I'm not? No, you're not doing that today. Okay. What am I doing today? You know, and being more receptive, surrendering to what

is and seeing, you know, I'm here to participate in the day's activities. You know? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so I think those layers have helped me emotionally. All these things came at great timing too, you know, like I had worked with psilocybin ceremonially before meeting my wife, but not ayahuasca. And when we met, you know,

Huitze actually brought ayahuasca to us at the reservation. And so I had one journey solo, she was like, I don't really want to go puke and shit my pants in the woods without running water, you know, like you go and tell me about it. And I couldn't talk about that ceremony without sobbing for two weeks. And so she knew the impact that it had on me. And she came out for, you know, the next several, you know, we got to do those together. And that still showed me, you know, 10 ceremonies

in I really had like a deep dive in Columbia on me drinking alcohol. And I didn't realize that at all because it was like I'm always just having a good time. I'm with the boys. I'm not an asshole when I drink like let's have fun. I'm not mean I don't find anybody. No negative severe consequences coming out of it. Right. There's no negatives.

Right. Other than the fact that I was poisoning myself. Right. That's a pretty big one. But I mean, as far as partying, celebrating, that's how I celebrated life until that 10th journey. And I was like, holy shit, dude. I could see it relive every time that I had gone overboard and was puking. I perched a lot that night.

And then I took two years off alcohol. I was like, all right, I'm done. And then I thought maybe I can come back to this consciously, so I'd have a glass of Dry Farm wine and stuff like that. And I realized that my impetus to drink was usually when I was a state of anxiety or fear. It's always, that sounds similar to my story and a lot of the things with the exogenous things

I lean towards, whether it even was a period of time of pornography, it's junk food, it's alcohol, it's cannabis over using the Halt idea of hungry of pornography, it's junk food, it's alcohol, it's cannabis, overusing the halt idea of hungry, angry, lonely, or tired. Usually those are the things that elicit the reaching for something outside of yourself to fill in the void, right? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, and so that mirror was a tough one to look at, but at the same point I was just like, oh, that's actually a habit still, even though I'm more appreciative of what I'm doing and I'm more conscientious about what I'm putting in my body. I'm more intentional with the alcohol. I'm having organic things and whatnot. And it was just like, that actually doesn't serve me anymore.

And there was a point where it was kind of like, well, this is the world's drug. If I come in with the clean version, then I can meet on that frequency. And it was like, no, I don't have to do that. So I was the guy at bachelor parties, microdosing acid. All my buddies were. I'm that guy too, actually. Shake a big on that one. I relate to that.

Let's go. I mean, my buddies back at ASU were clowning on me, like, look at Yoga Boy in the corner, because I'm stretching in Spandex. And they know I'm just fucking flying high, just smiling at everybody. And you don't need any of the drinks at the time, right? Not a drink, not a key bump, nothing. I'm good. You know and they were pissed that I wouldn't partake and I was like hey I

brought enough for all of you guys if you partake I'll partake. They're like no no no we're not messing with that. So I mean teach their own at every there's there's choices at everything right and I've been fortunate enough to been exposed with great mentorship you know from Paul to Huitzee to different people that had a deep gnosis on how to work with these things. And I really do take that to heart because I've seen a lot of people, you know,

like in coaching and fit for service for seven years with Aubrey, a lot of people hear about my use of the things and Aubrey's use of the things and they're like, fuck yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. You know, and I can see people fly off the rails because they don't have the guardrails set up of having really good people around them that can help guide them when is the right time to drop in,

how much is too much, what is the frequency, what is the work that's being done in between to make sure that you know you're actually grabbing something from this and it's not just a cool story about when you're in the Amazon. So I really do count those blessings for sure. You know, I've been very lucky for lack of a better term with all the synchronicities and everything that's flowed to me. And that's the cool part. It was all trusting and intuition, allowing things to pass through, not forcing it. This is a very problematic thing I see in society because I've worked

with over 400 men in one-on-one coaching, group coaching, and just men's coaching over the years. And I tend to see a very common theme, where a lot of guys are in their group of friends, they're doing the things, but there's this deep hesitation, and they still stay in that group of friends that is contracting, it's not expanding, right? So what was it like for you to make that shift?

And what are some tips maybe to some men specifically out there that are in this arsenal of stuckness, but they know they can evolve, but they're staying in the same paths and the same group of guys? Because I decided to basically, after high school, I didn't have track or field or soccer to go back into similar to football for you, right, and your story with that.

So I started getting into weightlifting and all of that. I started transmuting the energy towards more fitness related things. And then that led into this void of like, my friends aren't in the same energy. I'm hanging out with them, I just feel like I'm wasting time. There's time I couldn't be you doing other things.

Not just drinking some Bush light and playing instruments in the basement. It was more like, what can we really do with this? What can I do with this time to really evolve and take it to the next level? And so for me, it was a lot easier. As a part of my personality, I was able to just slowly teeter totter away and then make the move

into Arkansas from Missouri. I was living in St. Louis for the time being, going to community college and all that, still doing all the drinking and partying. It was easy for me to just say, hey, I'm done, and I'm moving on, but a lot of guys don't find it that easy, right? Because they're still in the same past.

Maybe they're having financial trouble. So what would you say to a guy that is going through that particular shift right now where basically owning the lonesome chapter? I love that concept of monk mode or lonesome chapter. That's what I did. I just was able to cut it off and just go straightforward into my purpose, what I was excited about, nutrition,

all these fundamentals with health, with Paul Checking, inspired by seeing videos by Paul, podcast galore, Ben Greenfield, absorbing all this information, applying it. It was easy for me. But a lot of guys, it's not that easy. So what would you say to a guy that's like in that transition period? I mean, they talk about it in all the archetypical stories,

right, not the dark night of the soul, but just the lost in the woods, you know? Like you got a journey through the woods solo. For me, I just held the prayer, right? Like I could feel in a lot of conversations with my wife, you know, especially as we started working with these medicines together, it was like, what's missing? There was an aspect of, first, the first fault is to want your family to change.

The second fault is to want your friends to change and to realize they're not and everyone goes through that. But then it's this realization like, oh, OK, I don't need them to change. Me raising my frequency is the best thing I can be for them. And at the same time, I got to hold the prayer of what's going to nourish us, right? Because who we're surrounded by is affecting us every single day.

And so we moved. We bounced around. We moved from the Bay Area to Vegas, where her family was, lived there for four months. Number of synchronicities brought me to Onnit, working with Aubrey Marcus and moved us to Austin. And that satisfied a lot because here we had conscious people. We had people that were-

This community goes back to me. The community was great, right? But there was still something missing. None of them had kids. Also there's this relatability difference. So that was another thing like, oh man, we need parents. And over the last few years, we've called in all the homies, all the parents that

want to homeschool everybody that is like-minded in no screen time other than a fucking movie once a week. But there's no iPads in front of their kids' face. If they're watching a TV show, it's like something super slow and boring, like Daniel Tiger. It's none of the YouTube kids' shit, right? And they understand, no video games whatsoever

None of these kids have cell phones That took time to build right and that's another thing is like the patience that's necessary to build the thing you're calling in But hold whatever the North Star is as you hold that It's it's a lot of dispensers work I can't give him full credit for it all but like I got to give to give credit where credit is due. Like when you hold the concept of it is already so, and you feel it as well as think it with every fiber of your being and you start doing intentional meditations where at the last three, like Emily Fletcher teaches the three M's mindfulness, meditation,

manifestation. And so that first practice is kind of like what we're doing, we're getting into the body. Are there any aches and pains? The second is let's drop in with a mantra or the three-pointed object, as my homie from Savage and Saint says. And then the final one with manifestation, where like from this zero point field,

where I've completely cleaned myself out, let me see and be all the things that I'm becoming. Right. And I did that with my wife. I did that with my kids. I did that with the house we have and the land we have. Like I can say, I can check off a lot of things where I was calling in that prayer, but actively working towards it. Right. Um, God, what was there? There's a quote that I love trying to think of it like the, it'll come to me at some point.

But basically action is the most important piece when it comes to that, right? You gotta put one foot in front of the other. You're not just wishing shit to come in. But also know, like what would change about me to already have that? Who do I need to become? That's a big one on relationships.

Somebody's like, I want X, Y, and Z in a partner and I don't have it. Go inward then. Are you X, Y, and Z? Yeah, that's the thing. Right, like you gotta fucking want X, Y, and Z in a partner and I don't have it. Go inward then. Are you X, Y, and Z? Yeah, that's right. Like you got to fucking be X, Y, and Z in order for spirit to mirror that to you. Right. And it's, nobody's going to get a finished product. I mean, my wife and I have done, we've had so many mountains we've climbed together over the years. Um, and those are all like things that just refolded our weave tighter and tighter together in such a beautiful

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I'm trying to think of where I know it from. Abracadabra based stuff. And he's been- Mark England. Yes, Mark England. Yes, dude, he's a good buddy. Yeah, yeah, great. I was like, when do I know that name? He's a close buddy.

With Paul, the whole crew, right? So they're really big on the foundations of just changing the voice in your head. What are the thoughts constantly circulating in your noggin when it comes to self-deprecating thoughts? If I need to do, you mentioned the needs, the shoulds, the woulds, the coulds, those types of things keep us stuck. Reframing that, removing those words and shifting it into,

basically it's already happened, I'm already making these changes, removing words, I actually got one, I'm feeling pretty good, yeah, good call on that. More nicotinic activation here, Cetocholine going. Yeah, basically going into the words are the foundation to everything in this human experience, right? So the words that we're not just expressing vocally and casting spells abracadabra into the world, you know, but it's

actually more related to the words in the mind of like, oh, I'll try to do that. Oh, I didn't do it, right? And it's the shame and guilt spiral that a lot of spiral dynamics goes into this as well. And, you know, the different scales of consciousness, that's really important to acknowledge. But it's like, how do we shift out of this lower frame of the shame and guilt, the anger and

spiral it back up into the joy and the peace and everything? Well, it's changing the words. It's a foundation. That was a huge part of my path is I was just like outsourcing everything and saying, oh, you know, this sucks or, oh man, that shouldn't have happened or all these things. If I'll try to do that, I didn't do it. You know, all these words. Once I began to really be super conscious of these words, I made a huge transition in my life. Do you relate with that as well when it comes to the words? Absolutely, yeah.

I've had a huge battle with the inner critic in my fight career. I never really mastered it. In fact, that's why I wanted to go back in. Because a lot of these medicines I was introduced to late in my career, which was kind of leading me outside of fighting, you know, it really was. Fighting was no longer the most important late in my career, which was kind of leading me outside of fighting. It really was.

Fighting was no longer the most important thing in my life. And I think it ought to be the most important thing in your life if you're actually gonna fight professionally. But it just wasn't anymore. But at the same time, I was reaching new levels of inner peace and still wanting to be the best version of myself as I can. It's like, fuck it, let's do it again.

I went in there and I got destroyed in my last fight. I was, I remember dropping into a ceremony, like why did I do that? Why did I go into that? And I remember in that ceremony, really dealing with the inner critic that I never had really mastered the inner critic. And it wasn't until I started working with dispensers stuff

where he'll talk about, we have an addiction to negativity. Yes. And I was like, at first go, first pass at that statement, I was like, nobody has a fucking addiction to negativity. What are you talking about? And then, oh, wait a minute. What do these things make us feel? The fear.

There's a spike there. That's a neurochemical change where life matters. And we see this online. We see it in woke culture, right? Like these negative emotions actually can be a draw for a lot of people and they can be habitual, you know? So that changing that language and rewriting the code has been a huge one

and really holding the end in mind, you know, like as now, like this is who I am now. This is what I'm becoming now This is this is the life that I have now and this is how it feels President and past tense yeah intense passes how do you shift it into that right versus absolutely? I'm reaching for one day You know that kind and then you and then I just hope you got to hold that You hold that and if anything comes in from the inner critic that goes against that like no no no that's not what it is

This is what it is. I'm looking at the North Star right now. It's the North Star. It's not this other shit. It's not doubt. It's not fear. It's not anxiety. It's not one small failure. It's none of that.

Take a back seat. This is what it is. It's the North Star. And going off the North Star, like, the antidote to depression is expression. It's expressing your voice. It's expressing some form of creativity. And I think that's one thing a lot of guys are They're consuming so much it goes back to like our educational background

I'm like I went through pockets of this myself where I was just consuming so many podcasts the Huberman stuff all that for years Man, and then I got to a point where over the past like couple years, especially several years It's like I don't really need any more knowledge outside of me It's actually all within me and how do I apply the things I've already learned? Because there's already so much freaking data in my head. How do I put this all down in paper and actually apply it? So it's an interesting concept. I think for any guy that's listening, really just dive into how much are you consuming today?

Do you really need to consume more? Yes, there's a lot of inspiration through Paul Cech's work and taking into that information. But actually apply what you learn. Don't just consume more of the protocols and all this stuff. Because that's what guys get fixated on so much, the quick fixes and the go, go, go. Absolutely. Yeah, that's what got me into,

my wife got me into fiction. We were talking about that. Oh yeah. The smut books, right? At a viral video talking about the Akatar series, but, Which tell us about that real quick. Akatar is a quarter thorns and roses. So Sarah J Moss, like if you're at the airport,

she's got the whole center aisle at the biggest bookstore. It's all her books. She started writing at 16. She's in her 40s. Mom, fucking amazing author. It's all face shit. So it's like fairies and dragons and immortals and darkness versus light. You know, it's like the adult version of Harry Potter. Oh, that's great. Yeah. And they're sex scenes. That's what the smut part of it is. So they progress from her 16-year-old self into a grown-ass woman by book five. And you're just like, wow, all right, this is speaking to me.

And it's funny, because I never thought I'd be interested in shit like that. I never read 50 Shids of Grey or any of that, neither did my wife. But this is something that has a hook. And I'm reading all her books, thrown to glass. That series is phenomenal. But when my wife got into that, I started getting into fiction. So I got into Brandon Sanderson's books.

And they're like Stormlight Archive. Brandon Sanderson? 1,000 to 1,300 pages a piece. Wow. They are massive. But the character development, the storylines in there is better than anything you'll ever see on TV. Beautiful.

Red Rising, greatest action sci-fi of all time. Better than Dune in my opinion. And that might piss some fucking people off. I love Dune. Yeah, right. But I think Red Rising has way more twists. It's way more action packed. Like, it's just mind blowing. And there will never see anything on TV that can remotely capture what's in those books. You know, so that whole seven book series, I think he's got another book coming out

soon. But I just chewed through those. And, and thatishing right because you know I had this talk with Paul. I was like Check I feel like I'm kind of fucking up, and he's like why and he's like well because I'm now I'm just spending a lot of time like my free time if it's outside of family and stuff before bed Maybe my maybe my wife, and I hook up or not Depending on what night it is how tired we are But I'll just I'll just listen to these books and go to bed I'll listen to audible while I fall asleep with my daughter. Again, real Dallas, going to Theta wave state,

taking all that with you. Yeah, Godsy talks a lot about that though. Having fiction as a preemptive before you go into dream state to be a catalyst for greater awareness in your dreams. And it's totally true. It's a wild thing. But Paul was like, when you stockpile this, he said the exact same thing you just did.

When you stockpile all this, you have to take time to integrate that, right? Imagine eating at a buffet, all the food at the buffet, right? You're gonna become sick, but if our body could somehow utilize all that, it's gonna take a long time. Like a snake swallows a deer, it takes a fucking month before it can eat again, right?

Digest, process, again, right digest process eliminate right so like that that all that has to happen through the information we take in and It's really hard to do that with 15 second clips or tik-tok clips and then all the the sea of other shit that we're getting into and then for those of us That do like long form that are listening this podcast or or willing to say like I want to go to retreat and immerse myself Right. That's long form. That's a long form that are listening to this podcast or, or willing to say like, I want to go to retreat and immerse myself. Right. That's long form. That's a long form experience.

Taking the time necessary to really integrate that. And, and what that means by integration is assimilate it, make it a part of your life, make it a part of your daily expression, make it a part of who you are. Then it's changed you. Right. Then it's like, Oh, well, well, how did I Alaska change it? You can say like, well, let's see, I go to bed at fucking 8.30 or nine every single night.

I do actually, you know, like there's a lot of things there where I can talk like on a very practical level. The microcosms. Yeah, I take naps because of Ayahuasca, showing me to take naps with my son. Slow the fuck down. Yeah, siesta. I saw the world and I saw every,

all the cultures that still practice siesta and how like this is still a thing in most parts of the planet, I saw every, all the cultures that still practice siesta and how like this is still a thing in most parts of the planet, but we don't because the go, go, go nine to five Rockefeller bullshit. It's like, I don't have to live that way, right? I'm writing my own script. You're writing your own script. We can live however we want.

We can be whoever we want. And, you know, as entrepreneurs, we're literally making the schedule, right? So why not build that in? Why not build in meditation into the practice and different things like that that are nourishing, that I know I can count on. And if I need to geek out on the science,

that's there too. Science of Mindfulness by Ronald Siegel is one of the great courses. There's so much data on the changing of gray matter and what meditation does for you for the hardware, as well as the software of the brain. So it can satisfy both sides of the brain, the left and the right, and I think that's really cool too.

Absolutely, and I think one of the things that comes up for me in my own experience is recognizing that ultimately, when we look at everything as a divine duality, the yin and yang, we begin to make an understanding of how to put and convert it into the ultimate oneness within ourselves, right? All the things that we have as shit storms throughout our paths and the negativities, you've been able to catalyze and reform that into, oh, I love

this, I'm so grateful for these challenges I have. That's a big part of my journey as well. So not looking at it like, oh shit, that happened to me. It's like, oh shit, that happened to me, you know? Like, and it almost, the cool thing too you brought up is stories. Storytelling is dying off very slowly. I'm noticing it just as a trend with the educational system as you're saying. Children don't really get into these immersive beautiful experiences within their own mind of reading words and transcribing that into this beautiful dream state almost. That's one thing I've seen dying off quite a bit is storytelling. And so one thing that Troy

actually brought up just yesterday, Troy Casey's, he brought up in the men's circle the write your own eulogy, and I've done that before and I think it's such a beautiful thing, is create the story of your life on paper, write it in depth, all the details of, you know, all the things that you were good at, all the things you fucked up on, all the things, all the characteristics within yourself,

the emotional turmoil, who you are as a person, your clearest essence in this human experience. Get very clear on that, right? And when you do that inner work and actually sit with yourself in patience, so much more is attracted because you know yourself, so then you know what you want, and it's not something you want outside of you. Even using that word want is like you're lacking something.

The word etymology of wanting something is to lack. And there's something too, like a heartfelt desire. Craving and desire is a better word, though, in many ways, right? Yeah. So yeah. I want to jump in on something that you mentioned is really important Aubrey calls this using hindsight as foresight Right. So like when we when when things stop happening to us and start happening for us, right?

And that's just a mental shift. It's just a perspective, right? The same thing fucking happened, but you look at it differently Oh fuck that guy cut me off on the road. What the fuck is his problem versus like? Oh, he's probably as a pregnant wife and he needs to go to work or something or whatever And and and even you know things that are more challenging like traumas, right? Like what did that turn me into where there's a gift in everything on a hot tananda talks about that Your greatest teacher is likely not the person that taught you in school It's likely a family member and it's they likely didn't teach you only indirect on indirect. They taught you what not to do, right? And from those things there were gifts given, right?

There were superpowers given. The superpower to read a room, right? Like a lot of people have that superpower from having to walk around on eggshells with their parents. The superpower to recognize their own emotional state as it arises. And then having the confidence and the wherewithal to be able to communicate, hey, I'm not in a great emotional state, I need to take a walk real quick, or I need to pause for a moment.

Right, like all, there's so many great relationship things that can emerge from having been in bad relationships through family, through whatever. But with those experiences, if we're seeing it in that way, then we can use hindsight as foresight. And it's really fucking hard to do. It's really hard when shit is the fan to be like, this is going to turn out great. I don't know what it's

going to be. But in 10 years, I'm gonna look back on this and say, thank God that happened. That's tough. But that's why there's the tools. That's why we have meditation. That's why we have working out mixed martial arts, we have all these things that are disposal, the hot and the cold, to grant us space from within to see things a little bit more clearly, to shift our state to where we want to be, who we are, the real version of ourselves, and then operate from that place and not from panic and fear.

Exactly. I think when you recognize, like you mentioned, the physiological responses within the body, the activations, because there's two different things here. We have activations, and then we have triggers, right? Triggers are more mental, and you can actually digest and assimilate and work through the triggers a lot more because it's just a mindset of the past. Maybe it's like emotional traumas you had with your family or something. But the activations are something that are emotional traumas within the body that you truly don't understand, whether it's like your butterflies in the stomach. Good example of that. Or like you feel like some type of solar plexus activation and you're like, okay, I'm feeling this. I recognize this. Don't logitize it, don't make it into

some logical understanding, but just like breathe through it and find ways that you can work with the physiology so you aren't reactive, but you're responsive to your environment. That's been huge for me too, it's just like working through like, okay, I feel this in my body, I can't explain this, why would I try to explain this,

I don't need to explain this, it's just, how do I kind of like work with this feeling? And dive deeper into it actually, instead of resisting it, because there's always a resistance That comes right if I can look at the thing then I also see where it's coming from What's causing it and and and is it true? Right? Is this really true? Absolutely, man. Well, dude, I freaking love this juiciness We wanted to keep this one nice and like Consolidate a lot of great information and keep things going. Where are you going right now with your you know, your path right now professionally personally

What do you see as things you're super stoked about moving forward maybe this year, the next several months? What are things you're building? What are things you're destroying? Tell us a little bit more about that. Yeah, I mean, Fit for Service is changing a lot with Aubrey stepping away from it.

And there'll still be some things going on there, but really I'm building my own community online where, a digital community, I wanna be able to teach the things that I've taught for the last seven years. From a health and wellness standpoint, from a relationship standpoint, community, I want to be able to teach the things that I've taught for the last seven years from a health and wellness standpoint, from a relationship standpoint, from a getting back to nature standpoint, you know, we've got the regenerative farm, that's a big piece of my family's life right now, is diving into all things from a connection to nature, a connection to

the plants, the soil, and a connection to the animals and our food that we put in our body, and what does that vibrational technology look like as we consume it and become it, as it becomes us? I've got an event coming up at the end of August, August 27 through the 31st with Connor Milstein, who was the head trainer for the US Men's Olympic team. He lived with Jordan Burroughs, most decorated wrestler in US wrestling history for two years.

Most of his clients are women, so I've never met somebody who could bridge a gap from, with the exception of Paul Chek, but bridge the gap from a stay at home mom all the way to the greatest Olympic wrestler of all time. And I've been training with him for nine months. So that's going to be very movement based. We'll also do a field harvest. That's going to be at the farm. It's called the rising. So we got the rising retreat.com and I want to build shit with you guys. You know, like I'm here at bio culture. This is fucking phenomenal. Actually, Aaron Alexander actually hit me up.

Fucking love Aaron. Yeah, Aaron's looking for a place like this. I've been following his work for years, man. Yeah, I'm happy to hook you guys up, dude. He's asking me about it. You take one look at this place, and you're like, wow, I got to do something there. Amazing.

So that was his text to me. So I want to help this, what do you call it, a cross-filgration? Yeah, cross-pollination, whatever. We're pollinating our different flowers. cross-pollination, whatever. We pollinate our different flowers. Make some beautiful honey, that sweet honey. And it's just been a blast, you know,

having been on the coaching end, and you guys had this this whole month, right? You guys are doing a fucking month straight. But having done that for seven years, it's really cool to come as a guest. It's really cool to come and receive and to get to participate in breath work every day and not have to go around and guide people,

but to actually receive each day, to meditate each day in the morning, to get in the ocean after Troy Casey's movement practice. That Temescal we had an opening day, the ocean water. That was, I've probably had, I don't know. It's under a hundred, but it's over 50 sweats with Temescal and anipis. And I've never finished in the ocean.

Neither have I until this week, man. It's mind blowing. Yeah, I've done over 50 sweats with Tim Escal and Anipis. And I've never finished in the ocean. Neither have I until this week, man. It's mind blowing. Yeah, I've done over 50 Tim Escalos myself. And it's transformative, that deep sweat. We keep going back to the end of the end of just the hot, the cold. And that's every perspective in life. And yeah, I love this man.

I got chills when you brought up even just Aaron and the expansiveness of what we're creating here. It's like, there's never competition at the end of the day. And actually, that's one thing, because I'm a very competitive guy. I know you are. I mean, freaking in your fighting career and everything. Getting back to there's never competition at the end of the day and I actually that's one thing because I'm a very competitive guy I know you are I mean freaking in your fighting career and everything getting back to like there is zero competition that's the beauty this is the decentralization of health right

and there is always enough to go around I don't get keeping shit I got a buddy who's getting into coffee and and he's a veteran you know he's a close friend of mine his daughters are work godparents to his daughter Jimmy Weldon and he's got three rivers coffee company and I was like you know you're studying the friend of mine, his daughters are, we're godparents to his daughter, Jimmy Weldon. And he's got Three Rivers Coffee Company. And I was like, you know, you're studying the coffee game. Starbucks owns like 55% of all the coffee in the world internationally. They have 55% of the market. No, I didn't know that.

Crazy. And, and Black Rifle Coffee made some fucking stupid amount of money the last three years with like a much smaller, 6% or something like that, right? A much smaller, and he's like, there's enough for everyone. Yes. Right? When it comes to Elton Juan, when it comes to retreats, when it comes to transformation,

there's for sure enough to go around, right? And everyone's going to get drawn through that golden thread from the belly button that goes out and connects them at the exact right moment, the exact right time with the exact right people. So I'm happy you see it that way. It's truly the way that it is, brother. Where can people reach you online? I know you're building up your Instagram now, which is amazing, getting back in the game on that,

because I know you had a hiatus there for a bit. Yep, for your hiatus. Yeah, it is. At Kyle Kingsboo on the gram, at Kingsboo on Twitter, and then kingsboo.com, K-I-N-G-S-B-U. I'll be promoting everything that we have coming up here through all channels. And yeah, Kyle Kingsbury podcast has been running I'll be promoting everything that we have coming up here through all channels.

Kyle Kingsbury podcast has been running since 2017. Yeah, it's crazy, man. So many epiphanies, I'm sure. Just so many downloads and applications afterwards. It's been an amazing discussion with you, man. I'm so excited about moving forward in the rest of this retreat. We're here at BioCulture right now. We're in Mexico. We see this beautiful horizon of the beach right now the fresh flowing air coming in the sunlight We're getting back to the elements and yeah, if you guys are wanting to hang out with cool people like us, you know

I mean you're pretty cool too. That's hang out Let's have a good time and really get grounded in nature get grounded in our bodies and also create like that's what we're here for Too is like the and what I mentioned earlier the antidote to depression if you're feeling low if you're feeling down get that expression Going speak with your vocal cords speak with your writing, you know, whatever it may be, just create, create, create, because it really just heals so much. So we can co-create here at BioCulture, go to BioCultureRetreats.com. We'll get another one here with you, Kyle, sometime soon. Absolutely.

Thank you, brother. Namaste to you. Namaste, brother. I love it. Alright, sweet. Very good.