Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #411 Life on Radical Terms: A Primal Approach to Modern Time w/ Ste Lane

Episode Date: June 22, 2025

This episode welcomes Ste Lane, a former MMA fighter and host of Radical Health Radio. Ste discusses his journey from MMA fighting to embracing primal living and holistic health. He talks about growing up in England, overcoming the tall poppy syndrome, and his later years spent traveling, which redefined his view of success and sparked his interest in health and wellness. Steel also recounts his experiences with nature, ayahuasca, and setting up a homestead in rural Tennessee, emphasizing the importance of freedom, intentional living, and the enduring connection to nature. The episode highlights the transformative power of health coaching, the wisdom of children, and the continuous process of learning and growth through podcasting.   Connect with Ste here: Instagram Radical Health Radio   Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM. Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU10 to claim your 10% discount. Get back to nature. Go to EarthRunners.com and use the code KKP at checkout for 10% off.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Fit For Service Academy App: Fit For Service App Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

All right, y'all, welcome back to the podcast. I have a very special episode. This has only happened one time in the 400 plus episodes that I've done over the last seven or eight years since I got into podcasting, but I missed an episode. I recorded the episode and thought it went up, but it hadn't gone up. And so my guest saw me sometime later and he's like,

hey, can I ask you a question, bro? And I was like, yeah, man, what's going on? He's like, how come you ever aired our episode? Now, I don't listen to my own episodes. So I just assumed with like a stack of 15 podcasts that everything went up in order and they fucking couldn't find it. And thanks to my boy, Craig Nurnberg,

I have been making a little chat 2.0 version of me to hold and store all the data points from my podcast. So I've been uploading all the old podcasts that I have from one memory card and I saw it's a breakdown of the episode and I was like, holy shit, that's Steve. So I fucking had it still, even though I thought it was gone forever. And now you get to listen to this amazing episode. This was awesome, awesome episode.

Steelyne is a former MMA fighter who changed his health through Primal Living. He is the host of Radical Health Radio and just an awesome human. He's raising organic, free range kids. He's got an incredible wife and he'll talk about all of their adventures on this podcast. I'm so happy I found this because it's almost two years old and yet it's brand new. It's timeless. And you guys will get to hear it for the first time. And of course, as I mentioned, a Steve mortified when I, when he let me know it was never aired that I would love to have them on regardless again. So we will do round two here. I think

at the time we recorded it, it was somewhere on the farm. My house is not built yet. So now with the house built, we'll do round two, but here's round one. This podcast was awesome. Steenow's a lot of good stuff when it comes to health and wellness. And it's just a brilliant dude. So happy I can release this. Support this show by sharing it with friends. Leave us a five-star rating with one or two ways the shows helped you out in life and support our sponsors. They make this show fiscally possible. And I love them. And without further ado, my brother, Stee Lane. You know how this podcast goes. I wanna get your background, go as deep as you want into it.

What was life like growing up? Especially because you're one of the first Brits that I've had on the podcast. So that's cool. Come on, Ingo. There we go. So you gotta represent. You got a whole country hanging on your shoulders right now.

Yeah, man. And my mutt accent is a bit muddled up now because I've been traveling a little bit and that was a huge pivotal moment in my life, but we got to go back a little bit before to childhood to arrive at that point. And I came up kind of normal in terms of a sleepy, working class, Northwestern town. Very gray disposition and kind of a gray disposition in terms of the outlook on life too. There's something in England that people call tall poppy syndrome. I don't know whether you're familiar with it but basically the American spirit would look at the tall poppy in the field and say

man that's inspiring like how did it get so big teach me what you know and the pessimistic outlook in England is man that poppy is so tall let's chop it down and make it look like the rest of us so nobody really stands out right. The only people that get a free pass in England are the footballers, aka the soccer players for the American audience. They're like the celebrities and you know, they take ridiculous amounts of money, like quarter of a million a week and they're celebrated, but there's kind of this like pessimistic view of success, like people don't like to see it, you know, and it's kind of like a very small, maybe it's indicative of the land size. I think England fits inside of the state of Texas

like several times over, very densely populated. Got a crazy history for a little island and everything that they accomplished, but it definitely seeps into the outlook on life. That's something that I've really come to love about America. And I'm a proud immigrant now. Like I love America, man. I fight for American values.

I came here for a reason. I traveled all over the place. I chose to be in America. I. I love everything that it stands for. Got our problems, no doubt, but the ethos of what it is is amazing. And that's kind of, for whatever reason, that seed was in me from a little child that I knew I wanted more. I wanted to get out of this little working-class town and it wasn't anything to do with my You know parents and I have a really great relationship with my parents and there's some history there that got me into the health thing Because my parents were both unhealthy like most of the average people are now, you know I remember my mom had a heavy I seen a five foot four frame and tell me about your typical meal Oh, man a typical meal in England Wellington. Give me all the good

Yeah, right. You all the glutinous treats you guys were fucking raised on. So obviously you've got crumpets. Now crumpets, people eat English muffins here and they think they're English. I'd never seen an English muffin till I came to America, so not English. It's like a pizza's Italian. Yeah, exactly.

We had crumpets, which the best way I could describe them is as a butter sponge. So it's like a baked little thing. It's got like bicarbonate of soda so it rides and then it's just porous, got a lot of holes on top. So you just lather that bitch up with some butter. Pockets it in. Yeah.

So you've got beans on toast or crumpets for breakfast. You got like carbs on carbs on carbs, man. Beans on toast was something I didn't realize until I got there was a thing. And I was like, really? Oh, it's a thing. And then I had it. And I was like, oh, I get it.

I get it. It's very interesting. It's tasty, man. It is fucking tasty. It is really tasty. You know, it's funny when I go home now, I've got to eat all of the crap. It makes me feel like crap. But it's like nostalgic in a way.

I remember where I came from, you know, stay humble. And you know, beans on toast, crumpets, fish and chips, of course. But here's a really interesting thing. Probably one of the mainstays of English cuisine is Indian food. Because, yeah, because of the relationship with England and India and, you know, basically like we like your tea, so we're going to, you know, have all the relationship with England and India, and basically, we like your tea, so we're gonna have all the imperial rule. And then a lot of the best chefs came over, and there's Indian palaces everywhere,

and doing the best Indian food. So I grew up loving Indian food. That was kind of the takeout, guilty pleasure. And it's pretty bland. People make fun of England for having pretty bland food and bad teeth. I come to learn that. There are the stereotypes that exist.

And you know- See Family Guy, and you're like, oh, fuck, that's the image guy like oh fuck. That's other big That's the image that says shown Americans. That's it. That's right. My stereotypes exist for a reason like Myers Yeah, dude Mike Myers is so good. I remember, you know flipping it on my wife cuz she's American We'll get to the story of how we met in a minute But um, we were in we were in the Philippines and this little cute restaurant owner was feeding us some food. And he's asking us where we're from.

And I say England, and the generic, like, hey, have you ever met the queen? And then he asked my wife, and she's like, I'm from America. And he's like, no way. America, all big and fat. So the stereotypes go both ways, brother. So I'm growing up. I'm just living the.

It's so fucking true, though. Dude, it's so true. It's so true. We were there at the, you know, we were in Central America when, you know, all kinds of stuff is going on, but America leads the world in so much. Everybody's always watching America, you know,

whether it's in politics and whether politics becomes a laughing stock and people are poking fun at it, et cetera. But like the American, you know, ideal was always very alive for me. Like as a kid growing up, we used to come and take family vacations in America. We'd go to Disneyland every year.

Experience the real America. Go to Disney, go to Orlando, go to Kissimmee. Florida. Mickey Mouse. Yeah, exactly. Hire a villa, do all that. I thought that Golden Corral and IHOP were the best things in the world. My dad did too because they were very wallet friendly.

So, you know, I'm at home, I'm just growing up, I'm a kid. I really had a pretty shitty schooling experience. I was raised in a Roman Catholic school. Everybody, you know, it's proper, you know, we had a blazer and a tie and it's uniform. Did it whack you on the hand? Not quite, that had just been phased out. My dad said he got belted a few times.

My mom even got belted a few times. Some pretty weird stuff there too. You know, you have the kinky ones that like to bend the kid over the knees and really whip him and you get into some like pretty, pretty scary stories there that goes on in these institutions. But mine was more just,

I wasn't allowed to be creative in school. I wasn't allowed to like roughhouse and play and fight. And I was kind of like, you know, the health story Why I got so obsessed with health again because my mom was so heavy and that that English diet is kind of bland and it's full of foods that are not exactly gonna help you thrive and I was heavy and self-conscious and You know like it just I was dealing with a lot as a teenager. I didn't know my place in the world I was kind of angry and I stumbled into rugby. I was kind of like going through my emo phase. I feel a few of us go in an emo phase. So I was

a skater kid wearing the big baggy jeans. I was just trying to find any sense of tribe somewhere that I could fit in. And the skater kids felt a little more rebellious and cool to me. I've always been a radical at heart, you know, radical health radio. I've always been a bit rebellious. If you tell me I have to do something, I'm going to really resist that at first. It's just been in my nature. So the skater archetype kind of like, F you, I'm going to listen to heavy metal and skate. But it didn't fit. I was trying to keep trying on these different masks, these different personas. And I actually then had another friend, I started to get in with this cooler kid group. They played sports, they played rugby. And he asked me to come down and try it out. And

I remember going to this field, not having a clue what I was doing, one of the big kids got the ball and he's running right at me, and I remember time slowing down, I'm like, all right, but this guy's gonna steamroll you unless you run at him. So I just, all this rage came out of me,

and I just headcharged at this big guy. Bobbi Gouche. Boosh! And everyone was like, oh, and at that moment, I'm like, cool, I'm going to play rugby. This is fun. It's like condone violence. You can smash into each other.

And rugby was a big part of my life then from like 14 through like 18 years old. And I really had this boyhood dream of pursuing it professionally. And you know, a few things didn't transpire the way that I'd hoped. And you know, looking back now, you can always kind of have that hindsight and say it's for the best. Now I'd never be here if that happened. I'd have been maybe playing professional rugby and in a pretty mediocre wage and getting the body beat up and stuff. It's a fun sport, but I'm very grateful that it didn't work out that way because it set me on this other trajectory.

But at kind of 17, 18, with a lot of athletic energy left over and nowhere to channel it, I wanted to still find something that I could put myself into. And MMA kind of fell on my lap. My dad had a buddy who literally just got out of prison. Long story short, we called him Dodgy Darren. But he was involved with Lee Murray back in the day. The MMA fighter got busted and put in jail

for stealing all the money from the bank. Darren was associated with this. So he was a dude way back. And anyway, he's like, what's your Steven doing these days? My name is Steve, but in England, that's a very common name. Everybody here is like, well, that's kind of cool. What is it?

Shush up for Steven. So he's like, what's your Steven doing these days? I don't know. He's just finished rugby. He says, bring him down. Get him to try Brazilian jujitsu. So I go down to dodgy Darren. And he's a brown belt at the time.

And he's done it. He's gone to Brazil to train and all this stuff he's trained with these legit guys and the first day and he's tying me up in knots I'm like this is the shit I like this a lot this is so fun it's intellectually stimulating you got that 4d chess element to it and you got the physical testing of it the next thing you know you're hitting pads I think it was like six months into you know just trying jiu-jitsu for the first time where I'm walking out for my first amateur fight going What the fuck have I got myself into? But you know just just stumbling into it man. I remember I came out against this guy

It was you know YouTube was a thing at this point, but it was still kind of rudimentary But I remember googling the guy's name and finding out that he'd had fights in Thailand and like panicking because I've never had a fight This guy's had like three fights in Thailand. He's gonna kick my ass But I'm like I gotta do it so I went and he hit me with the've never had a fight. This guy's had like three fights in Thailand. He's gonna kick my ass, but I'm like, I gotta do it. So when he hit me with this stinger of a leg kick, I was like, nope, fuck that. Shot for a takedown, took him down, got a triangle. And then kind of just was in the MMA world then.

I was like, I'm gonna do this. And at the time I was training at the Wolf Slur, which formerly was Mike Bispin's gym. And Rampage Jackson came over to this tiny sleepy little town in the Northwest of England to train at the Wolf Slur. Because he was having like troubles out here, man. He was a celebrity at the time, too much sex drugs and rock and roll and all that stuff. So now I'm in this cold ass gym.

He's doing crazy stuff. And I meet Rampage and I'm like this young kid and I'm like these celebrities in your eyes, right? And the first thing Rampage ever did to me when I went over and asked for a picture, he's like, sure, man. He boom, he ball flexed me. Oh, and I was like, this guy's just a classic joker. But that culture of really being in this very masculine,

very aggressive, but also very soft at the same time, this idea that become dangerous, but not a danger. The most dangerous men I've been around are also the safest people to be around because they've got nothing to prove. I was really drawn in by that. When it was round time and the beeper went, you know We beat ten bells of shit out of each other But they were good dudes and I felt really drawn into that because rugby didn't really fill that need

There was a lot of locker room bravado and stuff like that and the challenge of the game was good But it was missing something that I found in MMA and fell in love with jiu-jitsu And you know, that was always the thing that I tended to skew towards. But I ended up pursuing that. Few amateur fights, few semi-professional fights. I went to train at TriStar in Canada and spent a month out there living in the fighter dorms. What's the main coach there's name?

Faraz, Faraz Ahabian. Yeah, I got to meet him a few, a couple of times when I was cornering Chuck Liddell in Vancouver and he was out there with GSP, I think was just their sign and stuff. But yeah, he was a fucking, just a wizard, dude. Incredible mind, man. Like to this day, probably like the smoothest guy

I ever rolled with, just like the guy could do anything. Just so slick and his mind was so sharp. And you know, I'm at this point where I'm, you know, this is an unfolding thing now for a few years. And I now start to get the inkling that I want to do this like full time. I want to go like pro with this. And again, in hindsight, looking back, I don't think I'd ever been the best in the world at MMA. I think I maybe could have made it to the UFC.

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And just so happened to be that as I was at this kind of empaths in life of like, what do I do? I decided to kind of take a hiatus from everything and of all things go to a summer camp in the United States of America because of my boyish English bravado I'd seen American pie and I was like, that looks fun. So I'm like, they're handing out flyers in the university halls and I'm like, you get these 12 week long summers. I'm like, what the fuck am I gonna do? Like, I don't have a fight right now. I don't wanna train.

I was done with dieting. Let's go to the summer camp in America. This will be a blast. And I went and it was a blast. I had the most fun ever. I got hired to drive boats for the jet ski program. I'd never, water ski program, sorry. I'd never water skied, but I learned to water ski

that summer. I drove the boats. It was the best thing ever. I got a really good tan for a ginger I met cool people and I was really exposed to this other side of America these Crazy young kids jumping up on the benches cheering this energy the spirit and I was like kind of reserved again like English quiet kid Like I can't I can't do that, you know dancing's gay. I don't do all of that stuff And it like really helped bring me out of my shell. So I was like, I'm gonna go back for another one. I'm gonna do that again next summer.

It was really fun. It really expansive to me. And I still was figuring out what I was gonna do at home, you know? And then long story short, it gets to the point where it's time for me to have my last hurrah and go to the summer camp because I'm turning 23 at this point.

I've graduated university now. I did sports therapy, physical therapy as it's called over here. So it's all about massage and rehabilitating the body. So this whole thing is emerging, this fascination with the body and the muscles and how it works and this diet thing through MMA. And this is how it starts to all come full circle. But I want to go on one last hurrah tour before I settle down and become an adult.

And lo and behold, that's the summer that I meet my now wife, the mum of my child, Nicole. She comes in. Crazy story, man, because a couple of summers before, she now wife, the mom of my child, Nicole. She comes in. Crazy story, man, because a couple of summers before, she'd been at the camp, but she lived local. So she drove in, she taught Zumba, she was hot. And everybody was like, oh, the Zumba girl is hot. Like, she can move. But then she went home.

All these students kept showing up to class. It was like, the male turnout's fantastic. Dude, it's so funny. There was a water fountain by the dock, and all of a sudden that water fountain was getting like double its usage. Let's just say that there was a lot of thirst going on in many ways. So I'm driving the boats and I was positioned off side of the dock and I'd watch this, you know, between the kids coming in, I'm like, she's really hot and

she used to go home and she was kind of mysterious because she'd go home and everyone's like, Zumba girl should come out and party with us one night. She never came out. And then, you know, I arrived at that summer in 2013 and lo and behold, she's in the dining hall. And I'm like, Zumba girl's here, that's interesting. And in my, you know, feeble little sheltered English mind, I think she's hot, but also everybody in the camp thinks she's hot.

She's like, she knows the core target, if you will. And I'm like, she's a hip hop dancer. She's super cool. She dresses like a hip hop dancer. We've got a couple of like really jack black guys. I'm like, she's going for them. And I'm like, she's not coming for this small ginger English kid.

Well, a few days into orientation, I get a nudge from my buddy and he's like, I heard a rumor on the ground that Zumba's into you. And we hit it off on the first night out, she- It's the accent, no one can compete with the accent. It must be something. It goes both ways too, like female, the English and the Aussie accents,

I'm just like, talk to me. If you're a dude, just tell me more. I'd be happy listening to you fucking narrate a story for me. But the females too, I'm just like, oh wow. Wow, yes, there is something there. There's gotta be something, dude. Men and women both have a draw to it. Yeah, yeah.

And that first night out, we got a night off during orientation, so I have a few pints of liquid courage and building up the courage to go talk to her and she kind of comes over and we end up like dancing. Another cultural phenomenon here is that English people don't really dance. We kind of stand swaying and we maybe do a few fist bumps and the American girls that dance, dance, they know how to dance so I'm experiencing my first being danced on, grinding as they call it. And I'm like, this is fantastic.

And you know, we have this wild summer romance and it's bittersweet because in my head I'm going back, I'm going to become an adult, all of this is going to end. How could you do New York to England? That's really long distance, man. I find out she's this adventurer and she's going on this solo trip to Asia for like eight weeks post camp and she invites me along and I'm like I'm stretching out this Peter Pan kind of thing. I'm like I can't I've got these responsibilities I got this job they're holding it for me etc.

So I made a compromise with her I said all right I'm willing to give this a shot if we do it for the whole year I'll quit my job I'll sell everything I've got it's not much but I'll sell it a few guitars you know my car I'll give up all of that stuff and we'll just go to Asia and we'll figure it out from there. And she's like, done. She'd been working hard, she had a little bit of a nest egg in savings, not much, maybe like $15,000, but that'll get you pretty far in Asia.

So I went home and scrounged to get her a few thousand bucks, booked a one-way ticket to Thailand. And the rest, as they say, is history from a relationship standpoint, that was our trial by fire, like eight months through backpacking through Southeast Asia, I went to Thailand, Laos, as they say, is history from a relationship standpoint. That was our trial by fire, like eight months through backpacking through Southeast Asia. I went to Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, the Philippines, like falling in love with travel, falling in love with cultures and people.

And there was so much in that experience that is really a part of like where I got to now because, you know, being raised in that school, I rejected any kind of religion or any kind of spiritual practice because of my rebellious nature. It was like, this is how it is. I'm like, nope, not for me, thank you. Don't believe in this man in the sky kind of thing. You know, you can have it, but it's not for me.

And when I went out there, I saw a different way of practicing, a different way of being this like respect and reverence. For the first time in my life, I felt like genuine love exuding off people in a way that wasn't like fake because we were in church on a Sunday. Yeah, or judgy.

And it piqued my curiosity. I was drawn back into something like one of those little God nods, as you call them, like woke up a sleeping beast. And I was like, all right, I'm curious. Like I do wanna believe in something more. And that would then leave extra breadcrumbs for me to follow.

But Nicole and I did that then for a couple of years and all the while, this is the birthplace of podcasting coming to fruition and bucks and I'm just consuming absolutely everything and anything I can. And I go through Mark Sisson's Primal Health Coaching Certification and I go through Chex HLC 1 and I'm reading, I'm consuming, I'm sure I'm listening to your podcast when it was total human optimization hour and I'm just learning all of this stuff. And this, I stretched this travel thing out

for four years, man. It's four years of going back to this camp, scrounging together a measly paycheck, putting them together, going back to Asia, going to the Philippines, going to Central and South America. We did like eight months working in Australia. And just like meeting people and traveling. And I did the whole uni thing, but I always say,

like I learned more about life and people and everything in that four years of travel than I ever did up until my 23 years of higher education and all the schooling and stuff. So it was really formative. And you know, the real catalyst for jumping into coaching and bringing us up to the current day was probably five years ago or so now.

I'm on the precipice of going back to the real world now. Nicole and I are kind of phasing out of this because we want to start setting ourselves up potentially for a future. And it's New Year's Eve. I'm in Costa Rica. And I eat a particularly strong edible. And I'm just sitting there going through an existential crisis of like, what the fuck should I do when I get home? You know, got to get a green card. It It's also serious. There's nothing like a high dose Edible just puts you on the fucking razor's edge wherever the edge is it fucking finds it within like I was on the end It's and then you're like, okay. Well, it's only been 20 minutes and then you're like, oh no

It's good. It's we're not at peak yet, right? And then the edge furthers and it furthers and it furthers I think I've had more panic attacks on fucking high dose edibles than any other medicine. I'm with you by far Yeah, this they they I approached those now with a lot of trepidation because they could be scary. This one tilted over the edge in my favor and I got this little like, Bing, be a health coach. You know, like five or six years ago, a health coach wasn't really a thing. It was, it was there, but it was very in its infancy. You know, like, you know, so then it was, it was, it was there, but it was very in its infancy. You know, like, um, you know, so then it was, it was, it was like following,

you said to me in our podcast, it was like a, just following the next breadcrumb. And that led to this one. And then doing this and kind of listening more to your heart, listening less to the head and just trusting that if you keep doing that thing, the doors will open, that otherwise would have remained closed. And it kind of started to transpire like that for me. I didn't know exactly how it was going to pan out, but I knew that this was the thing that I wanted to do.

I wanted to help people reclaim their health. And my journey in health had started so superficially that I thought like, well, if I just got strong and jacked, all my problems would be fixed. And then I became strong and jacked relatively speaking, and I was still like fucked up inside. So I was like a ripped, messed up kid. So then it was like, oh, so there's more,

there's layers, right? The onion and you peel enough layers of the onion, the tears come and all of that stuff. And that was like going in and in and in. And that culminated in being pulled into the plants. Like I was really like pulled in one day. We were in this random little upstate town in New York. And I looked down and we were basically the middle of nowhere.

And I looked down between my feet in the line at the coffee shop and I see this card with Schamanic Center on it. I pick it up and I look on the back and the address is in this town called Calicoon that I'm in. I'm like what the hell is this? Like how is this here? This is at the time I'm really like listening to you guys in Aubrey and like you know that the knock started to get louder and louder but I have no idea where to go and don't have the funds. Saltera doesn't even exist yet, you know what I mean? So to find this little thread to pull on, call this guy, he's legit as anything.

He then becomes my mentor for the next four years, but it ended up with me sitting in my first, you know, psilocybin ceremony and, you know, an initiation is when everything you believe to be true yesterday is no longer true today and it blew the lid off everything and it really put me on my path and put me in my Dharma. And ever since then it's just been this unfolding into trying to serve in whatever way I can. That's been everything from doing mindfulness programs in education in some schools in New York years ago, to holistic health coaching practice, to now hosting Radical Health Radio on behalf of Heart and Soil, to just trying to help, trying to be as healthy, try to lead first.

I believe you can only take clients on journey as far as you've been. So like trying to be an integratory, trying to get better and love more and be more honest and keep following those breadcrumbs and just seeing where the adventure takes me. And it's funny to sit here today as the adventure puts me in this seat after like listening to you for years and being so inspired by your story and, you know, those, those challenges with fighting and now this parenthood thing and this schooling thing and this land and these animals, like it's so, it's super cool, man. It's a, it's pretty cool. Full circle moment for me.

Damn. Yeah, that was fucking great. And it, and it is like even, even more. There's, I didn't have the big four years out like that. Like that, that to me is, for me. Damn yeah that was fucking great and it is like even even more there's I didn't have the the big four years out like that like that that to me is I remember when one of the first couple of times Henry Rollins went on Rogan's and he said like if you could make everyone instead of going to college if every kid had to go spend a year abroad what that would do for society you know and I think about that I had 17 days in Boquette with my dad right when I got in the UFC he's like I'll take you to Rio for Jiu-Jitsu

Or we'll go to Thailand from Muay Thai. And I was like Jiu-Jitsu is cool, but I can go there anytime We got resilience here like let's go to fucking Thailand and and that that fundamentally shifted me in a lot of ways not just from Like it's funny is I wanted to learn head kicks and spinning back elbows and shit like that And they only let me throw the mid-level kick the entire fucking time I was there and then when I got, I could throw a head kick, no problems.

Like Bruce Lee is not afraid of the man. He can throw 10,000 different kicks. I'm afraid of the man that throws one kick 10,000 times. Right? And it opened me up. And my game still has opened up from that 17 days I spent in Bukit, just from that fucking, that stint,

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I'm like, I can't even fucking look at you right now. He's like, shut the fuck up. I'm like, I can't, dude. It's dripping like a goddamn faucet. He's like, I'm like, I can't even fucking look at you right now. He's like, shut the fuck up. I'm like, I can't, dude, it's dripping like a goddamn faucet. And he's like, I'm trying not to get into my soup. You know, his face is turning red. And I glance over and I go, oh, they're laughing at you. And fucking three girls, like the three stooges, are lined up with just their faces poking around a corner, staring at him.

And rather than jerking their heads back, I just see hands come up over their mouth. Hehehehehe. Yeah, yeah. Fucking, they didn't stop watching. I was just fucking dying. But I remember that. And it's like there's a laughter crosses all cultures. But it was fun.

lived in Vegas. And like, if I did anything in the UFC to land her, my fucking dream girl, it was worth getting my ass beat. All the times I got my ass beat, it was worth it to land her. And she lived in Vegas and I lived in NorCal. And the last relationship I was in, six and a half years, we grew apart because I was training in California

and living in Arizona. So I'd spend eight weeks at a camp and it ended up being six months of, I fought three times a year where I was gone. I'm working with plant medicines with my boxing coach doing sweat lodges. She's not doing that. So I really rolled the dice and I remember having a conversation with her like, hey, it's guaranteed this won't work if we don't try. It's also really soon to move in together.

But if we don't, we're never going to know. And so I was like, I promise you I'll make it as easy as pie. If it doesn't work, I'll fly you home. I'll drive all your shit out with my dad. You won't see me. He can load it in the house, however you want it. That kind of stuff. It'll be it'll be it'll be easy and easy escape. If you want back, you've got it. And but I just remembered that because of the,

you know, the speed at which we moved in together. And then also you move in with somebody that because of the, you know, the, the speed at which we moved in together. And then also you move in with somebody and it's like, now you get to fucking really grapple, right? Like it's a different, it's a way different relationship. You were like, how long you been married? It's like, well, we've been living together for 12 years. That's when marriage started.

That's when shit got, that's when shit got real. And, um, we had a lot of headbutting then just due to my, my own nature, not being able to see the shit, cause I had dabbled a little bit in plants, but I hadn't had ayahuasca, I hadn't done a lot of headbutting then, just due to my own nature not being able to see the shit. Because I had dabbled a little bit in plants, but I hadn't had ayahuasca. I hadn't done a lot of the work that I had begun to do. Talk a bit about, I'm thinking amazing race on one hand, where couples are fighting constantly when they got to do

shit, and you're in a different country. And I'm also thinking it's your first year. And you guys dive out, like expand a little bit on that. Because it's crazy to me. I can't imagine, like, you guys shoot must have been hitting the fan left and right dude so because when the camp was over Nicole had flights booked in October let's say and the camp and the post camps and stuff by the time you know that was all

said and done it was like the middle of September so there was still some time to kill and I had visa I had to go home I couldn't just stay so I had to go home like I said and sell my stuff and get ready and then find the cheapest possible flight I can to get to Bangkok, which means, you know, you can't be very picky with days. So I ended up going out there two days before Nicole and I'm sitting in this sweaty ass lake hostel on Kho San road going like, what the fuck have you done? Like, what have you done? Like you, you fell head over heels for this girl at a summer camp and you only saw her like three nights of the week in two hours on your time off.

And you think like you've just turned your whole life upside down. So I'm kind of really excited about seeing her again and kind of having a panic attack about like, this is the craziest shit ever. But just like, all right, you're here now. Like, what are you gonna do about it? You know, and you're so right in that terms of like,

when you move in together It's a real initiation It's a real trial by fire And I think you know in a sense was very lucky to find Nicole who saw it in that way as well because it like You said if you slowly start to drift apart There's a certain point where the gap is it's beyond arms reach you know and you just have to recognize you're two different people And the good thing that we've always had, because maybe our relationship started in this way, is this kind of like trial by fire,

like we're in it together, we communicate really well. But there is some conflicts there, you know? Like you're still in the honeymoon phase. And you know, I was trying to bro science a term the other day, because I was thinking of something like the fart regression paradox or something, because you never fart in front of someone on a first date, right?

But if you stretch the timeline out enough in a relationship, you're gonna start farting in front of each other. And it doesn't necessarily mean you don't love the person anymore, maybe the fart is that you love them enough to be comfortable enough to let one rip every now and then, you know? But it's funny to talk about all of that stuff

because you're in these sweaty dorms, you know, we're on a backpacker budget, so it might be $10 for a room with AC or $7 for a room without. So we're going without, you know, so it's hot and it's sweaty and you're flustered. And you know, one of the stories, if Nicole listens to this, she'll fucking kill me for telling it, but she got like an upset stomach and she thought she had a stomach bug. She proactively, very American hover, brought some antibiotics that were not for that at

all. So she took them and it caused an empty stomach. We're riding motorcycles through Vietnam and she's like flashing me, she's got to pull over and take a shit on the side of the road. This is like, you're trying to be supportive and it's just like a mess, man. You know, and it's just so much. What was the hand signal for that? I'm gonna shit myself.

It was just like, don't look, but give me the wipes. She puts a fist behind her and then opens the hand backwards. A fist to open hand. Just so many things like that, that if you can survive that with someone, you know, that eight months of travel that we did, we both knew after that was done, that that was the biggest kind of like,

trial by fire ceremony that a relationship can start. And there was so many moments of bliss and adventure and love and love. And the biggest stresses of the day were often like, which waterfall do you want to go see today? And how many coconuts should we drink on the beach? And just like, it's obviously a very lucky thing to experience. But if you could choose that, if you can choose that adventure, particularly if you have the kind of person to go on it with, because those memories alone are obviously amazing, but when you can share them together, they really keep alive.

We often reflect on those days. It's the really good foundation that our relationship was built from because it means that we always have to keep choosing adventure. We're in a very different phase in life right now. As we speak, my wife is four or five days away from popping our second baby out, you know? And you know, those adventures are different now. You know, it's the adventure of parenthood, the greatest adventure ever. I mean, you're not necessarily, you know, pooping yourself on the side of the road in Vietnam. You know, you're dealing with a little

human that's pooping, but it's all an adventure if you choose to see it that way. You have to be honest, you have to communicate, you have to not settle, you have to keep things fresh and not let it stagnate because it can, right? You can start drifting into these friendship archetypes instead of the dynamism of lovers and you know the polarity there. So it's been a wild ride man and we've been, you know, we went from traveling to accidentally running a bed and breakfast for a couple of years to then, you know, winging it in Florida for a little bit during the pandemic, to now move into rural Tennessee and having a five and a half acre homestead with goats and chickens and a three and a half year old son and one on the way.

So it's just been a constant evolution process and it's been amazing to find, like you said with Tasha, like just to find the right partner for that, because I really do think that we can go so far on our own and we can go very far. But as soon as you're in that relationship, you can go so much further if you use each other in that way. So there was a lot of fights and there was a lot of ugliness. But there was more beauty and more growth through it.

Yeah. Well, you touched on so many fucking good things in there. Relationship-wise and in parenting, yeah, the friendship archetype a lot of people slide into. One of the things that helped me see the beauty, because I mean, I never thought pregnant chicks were hot until Tosh got pregnant. And I was like, good God.

And then I had mushrooms around her while she was pregnant. And I was like, good God. Like I could just see the pure beauty. And I think that was actually the first time I've had it happen twice. I'm not, I don't ask for it. It just happens where I can see her at every age at the same time. And it's just water works from little girl all the way to old ass woman and beautiful all the way through it, just every wrinkle, absolutely beautiful.

And I think about that, like there's no point where she's too old, there's no point where she passes the buck or that she doesn't have it anymore, she's always gonna have it. She always did have it, right? And she's always got me. But I think about that, like there are things, gifts that have been at critical stages that have helped change my life from quitting alcohol

to different things, you know, like that Iowa Oscar gifted me, you know, not on the first journey, 10 journeys in. I'm like, let me take two years off. Did that, come back to it. Eh, because I don't want to come back to it, you know? And then a whole sorts of other things, you know, from how I parent and different things like that,

these little gifts of like seeing it with a broader lens and then I'd be like, oh, what do I choose now? You know, not like beating myself up over it or anything like that, but like, what do I want to choose now? And I think it's such an important piece to see the beauty in your partner at every, especially when they're big postpartum, and they're like, oh, I want this week to come off,

and you're like, no, that's where all the milk's coming from. This is for our little champion right here. No matter what they're gonna do, they need that for mama's milk, and understanding the importance of that. It's such a critical piece and it can, it is daunting because there's no fucking manual, right?

And everyone says that it's like cliche to say that, but it's like, well, there's no manual because we don't live in tribes anymore. There used to be a fucking manual. There actually wasn't manual. And we had elders that had been through all that shit many, many years beforehand that would take on the burden of the kids.

So mom and dad could still go a hunt and fish and Gather and then meet up just to play with the kids. They weren't in charge of education They weren't in charge of of teaching them all the ground rules that the tribe followed, right? The elders did that So there was a playbook at one point and there isn't anymore. Yeah, and I think that's such a such a big piece, you know for me our fucking you know Firewalk was being in my mom's garage while I was fighting. When I invited her to move in with me, I was inviting her to move into a garage and it wasn't even detached. She said, yes, I knew I had my, I knew I had my ride or die. Yeah. There's no chance. Like she wasn't in it for the money. And a year

after being in my buddy's garage, we moved to my mom's garage and it was like a detached garage. I remember when I went through I was talking with my dad, I was like, I need to make this place hold stuff better. So we got the Martha Stewart collection, started drilling into the wall. So we basically made every one of our walls other than the TV wall, a place where we could hang clothing, which just organized the fuck out of the place. And it was like, oh,

all right, I can breathe in here because it's literally just one spot with a little shitter. And I would hose off in the backyard. But I remember the turning point for me with a draw to nature was at some point with ayahuasca, and I was just like, I had to put fucking plants in the ground. I remember asking my mom, and I was like, she's on a quarter acre in California.

Like, can I grow a fruit back here? Can I plant some trees for you? And she's like, yeah, go ahead. I started growing all sorts of shit. And then we had this long row on the driveway of vines. I was like can I take these out and put in a little raised bed she's like yeah sure. So I fucking mow them all down I try to grab all the roots that I can I put some put some compost down we started growing pumpkins and watermelon and all sorts of shit and like I just had to do it. Was there a point at what point you know from it could have been

plant medicine journeys or just maybe coming here to States or it could have been food, it could have been a combination of anything. Where was your inspiration to want to settle down on the land and talk a bit about that, the connection to nature and also, you know, if it comes, if that was a factor, the world at large is obviously a pretty good reason to grow your own food now. But bridge us into that because I find this really cool that, you know, both of us are kind of vibing in the same space again at this stage of our lives. Yeah I've often I've often thought that we don't have ideas as much as ideas have us like they just sink the teeth into us that whatever that is whether it's

some kind of you know funky soul contract you know some some karma that we're living through but this this had a hold on me and I couldn't shake it if I wanted to. I think going to travel and spending that much time in places like Asia where you can't not be in touch with Asia. I remember I love being bare feet now. The reason that started was because I broke my flip-flops on the first day in Asia.

And then I was looking around, I was like, oh, a lot of other people don't use it. And then kind of really got into that and was just, for the first time in my life, there's so, I was like, a lot of other people don't use it. And then kind of really got into that and was just, for the first time in my life, there's so many of these like, ding, like, oh, the fact that we walk around in shoes just disconnects us from the earth so much.

And, you know, I always thought growing up that success was making lots of money, having a nice car, having a nice watch, probably living in a city and living that kind of playboy life. But now looking back, like, you couldn't pay me an amount of money to want that. You couldn't pay me $5 million to move to somewhere like New York City right now.

No, thank you, because it's fundamentally against my values. And I think a big word, though, that nobody thinks about is the values. What do you value? And I didn't know this when I was learning these, but I've gotten clear on them since. And there's things like freedom. I value freedom. I value truth and honesty. And those things are funny in how closely they parallel nature.

When you're in nature, there's just a remembering. Nature, the law of least effort, nature is just constantly in cycle. The constant cycles of death and birth and rebirth and falling and growing and there's some wisdom in that. So I've always been drawn to it. And, um, you know, there's numerous little things because even the immediate, like the first red pill around food is like the first time in my life that I used to joke that I was a dietician's wet dream. I was doing everything right, but I didn't look like I was doing everything right. I didn't feel like I was doing everything

right. I had gut issues. I had like psoriasis on my scalp and elbows and inflammation in my knees. I'm like 23 at the time. You're supposed to be in the prime of your life and like you know made of magic and rubber. Meanwhile I felt like shit because I was living off gluten containing grains and you know I was low fat this that and the other and it was always lean proteins and then I hear Mark Sisson on a blog post talk about removing grains changed his life and I'm like well I'm kind of desperate I'll try it and then boom you know like ten days later I feel enormously better I've stopped farting my skin is clearing up so like everything that I believe to be

true has just been shattered like what else do I believe that is true that I can now go about shattering and And that's like redefining success. Like, what's your relationship to money? What does that mean? Where do you want to live, et cetera? And then these numerous teachers along the way, whether it's been mentors, and one of the beautiful blessings

of being a modern human is access to information. Like, there's definitely a nefarious side to tech. You know, Jim Quick always says, you know, it's a tool that you can use, but if it's using you, who's the tool? I was lucky that I got on the right kind of algorithm or whatever it was that I got exposed to people like yourself and Paul Chek and Rob Wolf and Mark Sisson.

So all of the information was just consistently course correcting me to something that felt more natural and organic. And where we landed now in Tennessee on land and in nature is the culmination of that. You know, it's not the end product by any means. We're going to continue to deepen and we'd even like to get more land one day. But what you said about this urge to grow is really interesting because I was talking to my teacher the other day and he was talking about one of his teachers. He constantly

goes back out to the Sacred Valley in Peru to keep learning. He's been a student of this game for decades at this point. And he was having a conversation with one of his teachers and they were harvesting some corn and it's obviously a big part of the culture, the corn. And he was asking him some questions about that. And the guy turned and looked at him and he said, look, you can have all of this knowledge, all of this wisdom, this medicine path, but unless you plant a seed, none of it matters. Unless you actually participate in cultivating life, none of it matters.

Right? You're playing small. So this draw, I think, might even be in the collective to be steering people to get back to land, to get back to the earth, to get back to nature, because nature needs us in more of a holistic relationship, not the way that we're very extractive right now. And our farming practices are so broken, and you know that. And just the idea of this modern myth that I feel is dying,

this idea that we should all haunt ourselves inside of cities and be surrounded by EMFs and 5G and surveillance states. And it just fundamentally doesn't feel right for me. So it's always been about listening to that whisper and following that and picking up the next breadcrumb. And that's led to slowly over time weaning off the teat of society a little bit more and a little bit more and becoming a little more sovereign, a little more free, a little more intentional with practices down to how you do everything.

You know, where do you vote with your dollar? How do you want to raise your children? Do you want to put them in school? If not, what are you going to do, how are you not going to just recreate school outside of school, how are you going to choose to navigate the medical system, like everything becomes very intentional and it's always back to nature. And the one thing I'm aware of too is like the more scientifically minded, evidence-based people, they don't like that because they call it the appeal to nature fallacy. They say, you know, we're just a bunch of hippies that say that, you know, just because it came from nature it's better than it was and I think that

that's a symptom of a sick culture that's got so heady and so wedded to this new religion, this scientism that if it can't be weighed and measured it doesn't exist and, you know, progress is always amazing and there isn't these obvious costs to progress. And as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I think it's not all bad. It wasn't all bad, but it's been co-opted now. It's corporately captured

and it's going in a pretty dark direction that I don't feel good with. So it's just, I have to live this way to be right in myself and to be right by the kids that I'm raising and the people that I wanna have in my life and just continue to follow what feels the most true. And I feel like I've been guided in that divinely and in real life as well.

So it's exciting to see what comes. I think we've got some potential challenges ahead of us, but I'm optimistic about them. I'm hopeful about them. I feel that a breakdown is coming, but a breakthrough lives on the other side of that. And then conversations like this and living this way is all kind of, you know, just adding to that cosmic soup and putting some good stuff in there instead of some,

you know, whack stuff like, I don't know, soybean oil. Yeah, I love, which is a right-wing conspiracy. I know, right? Soybean oil. Yeah, just a couple of white supremacists having a chat on the couch, you know. On the regenerative racist farm. Yes. Oh man. Yeah, you brought. On the regenerative racist farm. Yes. Oh, man.

Yeah, you brought up a couple of things. One of the things that popped in my mind was Chris Williamson. I was hanging with him at OBS, and he's been on the podcast. And he was talking about how he's hooked on this new, on the old saying, does it grow corn? Yeah. Right. And I was like, fuck yeah.

And I really think about that with the culture in Peru. But also, we have some Peruvian corn we're going to plant here. We just want to make sure we're optimizing the field for it and what we have a need like a couple grand for a K-line sprinkler system get it going but I think we're going to get that in next year in the springtime and have you gotten into Martin Prechtel at all? No. He's fucking brilliant medicine man from New Mexico lived in a ton of different places. He's a ton of famous books, but those are mostly like his kind of entry-level 101 style, Secrets of the Talking Jaguar, different things like that.

But his best, in my opinion, was Talk to Me About My Brother, Christian Pitti, which it's called the unlikely piece at Cooch-a-Mackeeque. And if you like listening to books, he reads it on Audible. And it's awesome, because you can hear him turn the pages. If he fucks up a word, he doesn't retake it. He doesn't give a fuck. He just fucking lets it fly. But it's probably the best thing I've ever heard on food and why you plant seeds.

And it reminds me of, and I'll fuck this up, but like the Zen saying, when a man plants a tree that he'll never see the shade of, he's now first begun what the game of life is all about. Bango, yeah. Like that, just like, I'm gonna put this here and I won't get to extract any joy from it, but it's not for me, right? It's for the game that continues on. I think about that a lot here.

Like we look at some of the oak trees we have are 300 years old. It's like mind blowing to think back to when they first came about. And it's even more mind blowing to think like, here, I'm gonna plant a bunch of things that will grow huge. And my kids may not see them grow all the way up, right? It'll be the grandkids that get to see them grow all the way up and see them in

their fullness. Like great grandkids that'll see them in their fullness. That it's kind of hard, like when you dive into, um, medicine paths and things like that, and you start to learn indigenous wisdom to think seven generations. It's so divorced from our society. But I think nature has a way of drawing that in when you start to, you know, when you calculate a tree that's 360 years old

and you're like, oh, this is what they're talking about. Yes. This is the way that I see it for that future. And you're exactly right. This morphic resonance, you know, the ether is holding these things and Gaia itself is a GPS. Dr. Will Tagle told me that before he passed away.

He's like, we each have our own internal GPS. Mother nature has her own internal GPS. The Milky way has its own GPS on and on and on, right? All guiding us home. And I think more and more people are waking up to that, whether they see the nefariousness of our food system and fucking everything else or not, they're waking up to that calling and saying yes to it

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for 10%. And now back to the podcast. We're in the winter cycle and it doesn't end till 29 or 2031. Right? Like it's, it's, we're, we're still in it. And this quite likely in this winter cycle, the crisis phase that even more shit will hit the fan. But if you map that to nature, what is winter? It's the death cycle. And spring lies ahead, right? The rebirth. So I think we're in such a wonderful position to put our seeds in the ground that'll lie dormant until the end of winter and then pop up under the right environment.

Yeah. And I just think it's really important, maybe culturally and individually and then cosmically to see that death is not the end. And I think if you've experienced deep meditation, deep ecstatic dance, planned medicines, and you've gone through that metaphorical death process that you see, it's just a transformation. And whilst death can be really scary and the means in which death can be brought about,

I don't know how you feel about this, but having gone through similar experiences, I'm sure you're not afraid of death anymore, but the process of dying can get a bit gnarly because you worry about losing your faculties and stuff. And there are certain things, again, that'm sure you're not afraid of death anymore, but the process of dying can get a bit gnarly because you worry about losing your faculties and stuff. There are certain things, again, that, like you said, the death leads to the rebirth. Ram Dass used to say death is like taking off a tight shoe. It's like the release, like, ah, this is home.

This is where we go afterwards? I'm pretty chill with that, you know? So now I get to live this, but culturally and cyclically and for nature, what's coming down the pipe might be some painful dying processes, but it's the growing pains of the life that gets to come through that. And I think to stay on the seed analogy, that what you're talking about, again, I think it was Rumi that said the day you plant the seed

is not the day you eat the fruit. You wouldn't plant the seed today, you wouldn't go plant the corn and dig them up tomorrow and scream at them like, what are you gonna do? You're not gonna help it grow faster. You read that frog and toad story to the kids? That's so great.

Exactly, exactly. Toad's like, yelling at them, grow, grow. He's doing all the things and he's like, they need water, they need time, they need this. Yeah. Yeah. And that's maybe like what our culture does a lot is, it tries to rush the process or it tries to circumvent the processes with scientific solutions.

And it seems that every time we think we can outsmart nature's intelligence that we kind of mess it up. I believe that if you force solutions on a problem, you just create new problems. And I think we do that a lot now. We're not allowing this natural cyclical nature to go all the way back to the beginning of the conversation. Like you said, when you experience that flow and that curiosity and that playfulness from like Thai people, our culture's lost that. It's very serious and it's very heady and it's very like technological and it's very rushed and it's this low grade anxiety and it's just rush, rush, rush, go, go, go. A bunch of human doings that have forgot their human beings.

And then when we come back to nature and you put your feet in the grass, you realize like, oh yeah, I'm a human being. Like you said, I tap back in, I plug directly back in. Quantumly, I get my location and where I'm at, and then I'm reminded of all of these things and we need to each be planting seeds that, you know, we know we're not going to eat the fruit of tomorrow or even next week, or maybe even not for the next decade, but we're planting them with love and hope that it's leaving the world better than we found it.

I think that's a good personal philosophy to try and follow. Can you leave people better than you found them? Can you leave this immediate environment? Can you leave your children and the world better than you found it? Because in this very nihilistic kind of self-absorbed culture that we've got right now, people don't, they've lost all kind of faith and hope in that. It's like, whatever, it doesn't

matter. So they could just hedonically treadmill their way through life and then the trail of destruction they leave in their wake is left for the kids of our generations to pick up. And you know, we're not gonna be around to probably see a lot of those things, maybe. I don't know how quick the timeline on this is, but our kids certainly will be, other kids certainly will be. So I just want, you know, to really be a change maker and plant these little seeds and create these little ripples

and you don't need to change the world by getting on stages necessarily. Like even just these little interactions create ripples and I think that's, you know, these ripples bounce off each other and they create other ripples and that's why, you know, that's why this game is so fun and so hopeful to me because I think that you know Just one little choice that you make can alter the course of history in a kind of you know melodramatic way it really can because it changes the way that people show up and speak and you know treat

Everybody else and I think that really matters fuck. Yeah, brother Well as the host of radical health radio, Radio, who's been some of your favorite guests and what have you gleaned from them? That's one of my favorite things in life. Like I consider myself a lifelong learner. And of all the treats, Fit for Service has been awesome. The crew that we brought in for Fit for Service is awesome. We have our own little think tank with me, Aubrey, Caitlin and Godsy. But we've also brought in guys like Charles Eisenstein and Zach Bush and all these fucking amazing people that have become friends.

And, um, and I credit that there. I also credit the podcast for that as well. Talk about a little bit about, you know, what that experience has been like for you and your ongoing education and some of the key elements that you've grabbed from it. Yeah. Podcasting is really fascinating like that to be able to sit across from someone who's done something kind of cool, remarkable or radical and just pull out the best lessons.

There's many examples. Mark Sessom was really cool because he's just been such a pioneer in this health space and he's now, what is Mark, like 70 years old, still in a lot of good health, lots of wisdom, who's kind of ascended the heights of like the entrepreneurial ladder. And one of the things that he said to me, which I knew, but to have it validated by him was like really like sank in deep was that kind of the simultaneous best and worst day of his life was when he sold Primal to Kraft Heinz because he got this, you know, F you money, multi-generational wealth, like he's set for life and his kids are set for life kind of money. And that immediate, like that night it's the best thing ever. And then the next day it's like the, Oh, wow.

What now? You know, and it's the classic gold medal syndrome, you know, you get it and you're like top of the world one minute. And then what's next? You know, because we, it's all about the process, right? It's not necessarily about the outcome and to fall in love with that process. And he always said, you know, this, he thinks it's dangerous in our culture, this kind of just be super inspired and go after it and follow your bliss, etc.

He's like, that's a very good ethos to pursue, but you've got to find the thing that really you're compelled to do that you couldn't not do even if you were trying not to do it. Really find that because you'll have the inbuilt discipline to keep going on that and Don't expect overnight success and and you know, he said he was a 55 year old overnight success story So just the delayed gratification I think that you know the more we can do that and the more we can cultivate discipline and keep sowing those seeds keep Planting trees under whose shade we're not gonna sit and just trusting but falling in love with the process and not being so attached to outcomes Not being so attached to outcomes, not being so attached to the money that's coming in the bank or the trinkets or the shiny accolades, but doing it for the sake of doing it.

It was really cool to hear from him. I think more recently, it's kind of fresh on my mind when you was in, what was really cool when I asked you to relive your fighting days and what was your most kind of biggest pivotal takeaway is that you reflected that it wasn't necessarily the wins. It was the most valuable lessons are sometimes in the losses and the hardest challenges to come through, you know, the fight with Manuwa and, you know, getting called off by the TKO and you learn more about yourself in the hardest times, then you do the best. And I really feel like that.

I feel that I really try to adopt this frame that life is not happening to you, it's happening for you. And what if it's not a bad thing, but it's good training? And what if it's good training for the future to make you more resilient? And what if you really only learn who you are when your back's truly against the ropes? And that gives you a thirst for taking more risks because the fear of failure then is reconceptualized as even if I do fail, I can translate the loss from a learning opportunity and I can grow from it.

And Taylor from Epic, Rome Ranch, and hearing what he had to say about the innate wisdom of buffalo and his stories about, not always, because some of the male buffalo, when the buffalo die, they can like fling its body up and see who's boss. Yeah, we did.

Bear got to see that with one of his friends when they were five. We had been a part of a female harvest the year before. That fed wolf, we split that cow with Taylor. Yeah, right on. That fed wolf when she was in the womb, and Bear and my wife and I,

and then we went back a year later, Tim Kennedy actually took the shot. Anybody prepped everyone, he said, hey, when a mail goes down, it's a whole different experience. And it is a whole different experience, because everyone that's been next in line makes sure that the whole herd knows who's next in line.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And he told that story, and then he told the opposite story of how it can be so beautiful and how there's just this language that goes beyond words of energy. They drove up one group, and they have a short list of who they might take out.

It's obviously not going to be an expectant mother, and it's of a certain age, et cetera. And these bison kind of congregate a little bit. And the one that was going to be taken out stepped forward to volunteer its life and service. And they took the shot, and everybody gathered around. And it was a child that started a new tradition there that bent over and was the first person to take the blood

and lick it. This six or seven year old, nobody had done that before at the ranch and he said there was several traditions that it was started there and they were always from children because they were not really up here and they were just kind of tapped into like, this is what should be done now. And then everybody followed and took some blood and licked it. And it, you know, from an outsider, that maybe sounds like a crazy thing, but to them, it was the most beautiful empowering thing of honoring the death of that animal. And to that, that

was really powerful to me because I love speaking to parents and the reminder that our kids are wonderful teachers, you know, that they teach us so much and to stay humble and not think that you own them because they chose to come through you so you could guide them and hopefully teach them some shit along the way. But they are our little Buddhas, you know, they are our little mirrors and they show us all of our stuff and that they're really, as long as you keep them pure and you allow them to be pure and you don't put so many of your limits on them, that they'll teach you more than you could ever know. So there's been a lot, man, There's been so many great guests and so many great conversations. And like you, I feel like it's just continually helping me

to reestablish where the ceiling is for me. Smashing through glass ceiling after glass ceiling, because when we connect like this, we upgrade. And like you said, like I said, sorry, leave people better than you found it. That's the constant experience in a podcasting too. It's like, I'm left better than I came in because that idea just sticks.

And the good shit sticks, as Tim Ferriss said. Don't worry about, you've had thousands of conversations and you've read thousands of hours of books. Don't worry about remembering all of it because the one thing that you need, even if it's just that one line or that one concept, it will stick. If it's right for you at that time, the good shit will stick.

And there's been a good bunch of good shit sticking from a lot of good people. And I'm very grateful to, you know, be able to continue getting those lessons. Yeah, it's a fucking blessing for sure. Well, before we head out, I want to talk about your children because that's the biggest blessing of them all. You've got a, is it, is it another boy? We don't know. You don't know. Oh, baby golly. Completely like

I feel right. But here now, I want wanna ask you this. Having access to the plants, and I'm sure you've built that fucking connection point there to the high self or spirit itself, whatever you wanna call that. Do you have an inclination? Do you and your wife have an inclination not knowing? This is a very funny story because we're very much of the belief

that the spirit, the soul has chose you. So it's already there, and it's obviously developing in the womb right now. So you can kind of talk to that being before it's here. And with Jai, my son, we knew that, and we experienced that. And with whoever is coming right now, both my wife and I, my wife did a mushroom ceremony

and was trying to communicate with this that's coming and they're playing a little peekaboo. And it's really interesting. They're a little stubborn and a little mysterious. But what my wife did get, you know, she's getting back her birth this time in terms of we went down the medical system the first time and there's a lot of trauma that comes with that. And, you know, you're gaslit a lot along the way and she really wants

to heal that and she's been really intentional about doing a lot of the work to prepare for that and you know really you know free birth and have this wild pregnancy and this complete surrender experiment of trust but one of the things she got in ceremony before we got pregnant from this being, this voice, was, I'm not coming here to just help you get over your birth trauma. Like, if you're having me to get over your birth trauma, I'm not coming. So you better make sure that you really want me first. Get that out of your mind. That's your battle and you can have it, but I'm not coming to do that for you.

Like, that's not my role here. And she was like, that was a good gut punch. And since then has been sneaky and shy and I've felt the energy, but I've not been able to gender it. So it's either a baby, I mean, it's 2023, right? Or it's just a very mysterious, very powerful little being that just is like, you'll see me when I'm ready. So it's been very interesting in that sense

because I keep going in to see if I can form some kind of connection, but it's playing peekaboo a little bit. Yeah, both our kids, we got, I knew, we both had a shared vision twice in Ayahuasca of Bear. And once I grappled with all my fears around being a dad, we were pregnant with him a month later. Yeah.

You know, didn't we did, we did this thing just to confirm and like, Oh, yep, it's a boy in there. And then I even got to see his face just dead sober taking a hot bath and have some solid bath and was meditating on him and, and he got a little contact there. Then with Wolf, I met her fucking four years before she came on a medicine journey and had total contact with her. But she took her sweet ass time. She came on full moon, 4th of July, 2020.

So I grabbed her in the middle. And I was like, there we go. Of course, you had to wait on that. But I've asked. I've seen threes. I've seen like three concentric circles on medicine, asking about how many kids we're going to have. I've made some contact, but it is almost mysteriously

androgynous, like gray metals kind of feel with a face coming through that could be either or. And so that resonates right now because I've sensed the same kind of trickiness around like, no, you don't get to know this one right now. I was like, all right, all right, cool, I'll wait. Yeah, exactly. So you can be surprised. It is funny though, like the first ceremony that my wife and I shared on psilocybin mushrooms.

It was guided by my teacher that I've referenced a couple of times in this call. And as we went into that, the topic of being parents wasn't even really on the table. We were doing what a lot of people do, especially today, which is, you know, I don't know, we like this travel thing. It's a scary time to bring kids into the world, etc. And we had a shared ceremony. And I think we both had our experiences in that. And I remember in integration, she kind of rolled over and was like, it's time that she did that work and healed that and got that message that it was time.

And similar to your story, I think within a couple of days of that ceremony, we conceived Jai. So he's a little mushroom-induced baby and he just carries so much of that energy with him and it's so beautiful to see. And that quote, I think I shared it on our podcast as well, never feel guilty for bringing dragon slayers in a world full of dragons. That's what we need, these more conscious, aware people that are saying, oh, I don't want to do this because of how weird the world is right now.

No, it's important that you do this. Of all people, I was just listening to Jimmy Carr on the drive up here. He's a British comedian. And you'd think a comedian doesn't get deep or serious. This guy's a really sharp tack. And he said, he had a conversation with his wife. They were avoiding the parenthood. And he kind of realized that, hey, you know what we're doing here? We're living life on easy mode. What we're doing is we're cheating it a little bit because until you have something you love more than yourself, something you care about More than yourself. He said he called it having an external heart and I was like, oh, that's really good that you're you're you're basically

Shying away from the biggest challenge but beautiful opportunity and blessing of life and that I've heard a quote that Children destroy your current life, but they replace it with a better one and I couldn't agree more man It's been they do destroy the whole fucking thing. They destroy it and poop on it and fling it upside down. But nobody said easier life. They said a better one. It's richer.

It's more meaningful for sure. It's not playing life on easy mode. It's difficult, but it's the best kind of difficult. It's the best hard job you'll ever have in your life. And I'm very grateful. And we could be just a few days away from another one joining us or a few weeks away. That's the nature of also doing the wild birth and the pregnancy. It's just like trust in that intuition. grateful and we could be just a few days away from another one joining us or a few weeks away. That's the nature of also doing the wild birth and the pregnancy.

It's just like trust in that intuition. The baby will come when it's ready and we'll finally get to meet whoever it is that's hiding there. So I'm excited, man. I'm excited too, brother. It's fucking what a cool time and appreciate all the time, you know, making your way out here where this was the last time I think you're traveling because of the baby. And so it was awesome to get to fit this in with you here at the farm.

I want to get to show you around here before I got a jam for jujitsu practice with beer, but where can people find you? Where can people listen to you and where can people get more of you? Yeah. If you a real glutton for punishment and you want more of this annoying voice in your ears, radical health radio with the podcast and then peak primal health is my Instagram account. That's where you'll find me just sharing insights about life

and all the stuff we talked about today, trying to take a really holistic frame on stuff. So you'll see some classic meathead hippie stuff, movement, crossfit and heavy weights. And also a lot of the spiritual practices and praying and singing and flute drones and all that kind of stuff. So go over there and have the pick and mix experience.

Fuck yeah, thank you so much, brother. Thank you, brother. Big love.