Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #417 Revolutionizing Education: A New Approach to Learning w/ Genevieve King

Episode Date: August 2, 2025

The Community is coming! Click here to learn more   In this podcast episode, Kyle welcomes Genevieve, an educator and creator of the Origins Curriculum, to discuss her innovative approach to childhood education. Genevieve shares her background growing up on a Montana reservation and how her deep connection to nature has influenced her educational philosophy. She outlines the origins and goals of the Origins Curriculum, emphasizing a cyclical and holistic model that focuses on connecting children to nature and indigenous wisdom. The conversation dives into topics like the flaws of the traditional education system, the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on education, and the potential of micro-schools and homeschool co-ops. Genevieve stresses the importance of educating children from a young age to foster sustainability, mindfulness, and emotional wellbeing. The episode also touches on the role of parents in facilitating this type of education and aims to spread awareness about more natural and balanced ways of learning.   Connect with Genevieve here: originscurriculum.com Instagram.com/origins.curriculum Facebook.com/origins.curriculum Tiktok.com/@origins.curriculum Instagram.com/i.am.phenomenality linkedin.com/in/genevieveking/   Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM. Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU10 to claim your 10% discount. If you’re 21+, check out the link to VIIA and use the code KKP to receive 15% off, free shipping on orders over $100, AND if you’re new to VIIA - get a free gift of your choice. After you purchase they ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them we sent you. Enhance your everyday with VIIA. For the best Creatine on the market, visit https://shopbeam.com/KKP and use code KKP  to get our exclusive discount of up to 30% off.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu The Rising Retreat w/ Conor Milstein: https://www.therisingretreat.com/ Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Kyle-Kingsbury Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome to today's podcast. Genevieve is on the podcast today. Somebody I've known for at least a few years through Fit for Service, who's been working on an amazing project. She's created Origins Curriculum. We dive deeply into her background as an educator and everything that she's put together in trying to change the way our kids learn. I think it's fantastic whether you have kids or not. There's so much in this that's just amazing in her story and in what she's bringing to the table. So I

hope you guys like this one. Share it far and wide and check out originscurriculum.com. There is so many awesome offerings there. I've just had the ability to start working with Bear and Wolf with this stuff and we absolutely love it. Alright, support our show by sharing it far and wide and supporting our sponsors because they make this show absolutely possible without further ado. Genevieve. Genevieve, welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much for having me. This is awesome. It's been it's been a while in the mix. We've met each other. I don't know how many years ago,

maybe two years ago, three years ago, in Fipper Service, I had met your brother at one of our events at the farm and loved him because he was already in shape and could do all the stretches that I was trying to get people into. I was like, right, he's got it down. And, you know, having List heard me as a coach in Fipper Service, you know, some of the things that I'm into, We homeschool, we unschool, we do a lot of different things.

We follow Steiner stuff, we follow a lot of indigenous wisdom and understand the importance of reconnecting our children to nature and things like that. So, you know, when you were telling me about the homeschool curriculum that you were coming up with, I was super interested. And then at one of our final events,

you had brought it with you and actually got to look at it and you actually get to show me, you know, just how detailed oriented things are in bringing us back into that concept of the sacred hoop and the concept of our connection to Gaia. And I was like, this is this is fucking awesome. This is so awesome. So I've got I've got bears got the third grade, I got a little wolfie kindergarten, and I'm super excited to dive into that I haven't had a ton of time yet. But I want to know we'll dive into this you know, really in this conversation I want to dive

deeply into the work that you're doing. But tell me what interested you as a kid how did you grow up and go into public school? Like what got you to think outside the box and start working in this arena? Yeah, yeah, I am, I grew up on the re Montana. So you know, Wes just, you know, kind of t That's where we, you know

of the fit for service ev um, in western Montana. I mountains and lakes and r in nature. Um, the town I tiny, tiny, tiny. There was a little tiny school. Yes, it was public school. We didn't have any other options at that time. But my graduating class was the largest class I think that had ever come through there. And I think there was like little under 70 in my class total. So it was a tiny little town, still tiny, but just immersed in nature,

just kind of indigenous traditions and this connection to the land. And I'm from Gen X and growing up without, we didn't have TV really. from, you know, Gen X and, you know, growing up without, you know, we didn't have TV really. You know, my parents were pretty strict on the TV. We didn't get to watch a lot of TV and, you know, grew up without social media and cell phones and all that kind of stuff.

It was that typical, you know, make sure you're home when the lights go off or when the street lights come on, and we would just be out playing, my brothers and I just making booby traps in the woods and just playing, making forts. And that was just such a defining part of my childhood, was just being out in nature.

So yeah, I've always had a deep, deep connection, you know, physically, spiritually, and it's really sort of shaped my entire cosmology is just that that deep connection to nature. So yeah, that was kind of, you know, the part that that really embedded in me that desire and need to not only be connected, but also protect it. So, yeah, absolutely. There is a strong calling, you know, I think. And that's something that I find really common, like a common thread in Ayahuasca journeys, you know, in particular, you know, is that that, hey, you can see, you know, the bad stuff going on in the world. And then it's like, all right, pull your pants up.

Grow up, show up, clean up. Let's do it. Let's do it together. So I really appreciate the people that are not just pointing to what's wrong, but actually saying, let me fix something. I have an idea on how I can fix something, how I can change something.

And I think it's such an important place to start for years. I told Aubrey, we ought to be working with kids, not just adults, because if we work with kids, we're not gonna have some fucked up adults who needs to heal. We can get them while they're young and raise them correctly.

And then, you know, they have their whole lives to move forward and there's less to heal from and more to achieve. You know, so I love the fact that you have that mindset of wanting to engage with the children as well. Absolutely. I mean, we spend our whole adult lives trying to undo our childhood traumas

and learn these modalities, all the different modalities of healing and how to take care of ourselves. But the most valuable important time is that those younger years, that three, four, five, six, seven years old is where our default modes are set. That's where everything we're exposed to during those years becomes our default mode. That's the most important time for kids to be

learning that we have to take care of the place that takes care of us. That's, you know, where all these concepts of, you know, like the seven generation concept and all of that, it's, you know, where all these concepts of, you know, like the seven generation concept and all of that, it's, you know, we have to teach them at that age. And I did, I wasn't going into education initially. I was going into, I wanted to follow in my father's footsteps. He was in orthopedics and sports medicine. And I started off with a triple medical major. I was doing physical therapy, exercise physiology, athletic training. I was the athletic trainer in high school. I did athletic training with the football team and the wrestling team and taping ankles

and doing all of that. So I wanted to, that's where I was interested in going initially, but circumstances happened. I ended up having my first daughter and I was looking for a place to take her while I was in school. And I went toward all these different schools and daycares and I was just like none of all of them. I was like, oh my God, I would never leave my child here. And it was heartbreaking. I had mom guilt. I didn't want to leave her. And so I just ended up coming up with this plan of like, okay, how can I be with her? I got all my classes stacked on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

And then I went and got licensed to do childcare myself through the university. And I took kids on Monday, Wednesday, Friday with her just to kind of be with her throughout school. And then I somehow just, you know, never having done this before, but I taught all these little kids to read. And these were like pre-K, you know, three, four year olds, I taught them all how to read and their parents were like, Oh my god, it was supposed to just be to get me through school. And I ended up falling in love with it. And so that just kind of started my my education career was early childhood education initially. And I did that for many, many years.

That little girl is now about to be 30 in a couple of weeks. So I've been, it's 28 years that I've been in education now at this point. But I did, I had two schools on the res for about eight years. And then I got hired to be the executive director of a nonprofit. It was like a green business consulting firm. And this is during these years that I was running this organization, I just was deep in the whole slow food, slow money, farm to table, you know, these concepts of like conscious capitalism, triple bottom line, which is people, planet, profit. People and planet over profit. And how can you run business in a ethical and sustainable way where you're not impacting the planet

in order to gain profits? And so all of these concepts and got to meet some really incredible people, some of the big hitters in the sustainability movement. And this was the time when green was like green and eco consciousness was really starting to get popular like 2000, what was it like 2007. And at that time, there were just starting to be graduate degrees in sustainability. There were green schools, but they weren't teaching that.

They were just, this is a school who uses natural cleaning products and they recycle paper and turn off the lights when they leave the room. So they were operating in a sustainable manner, but nobody was teaching it except for at some universities. And definitely nobody was teaching it to kids. I found a couple of schools in the Netherlands that were doing stuff like that. And that's how I created Origins. I was running this organization and trying to teach all these

adults how to undo their bad habits. And I was just like, we got to start from the beginning. And so I took everything that I'd been learning in the world of sustainability, corporate sustainability, and went back into education and started Origins Education, which was the second set of schools that I started. And I started that in 2011. And we grew to four brick and mortar locations by 2019. So I started, you know, multiple locations. 2019. So I started multiple locations.

And then initially I wanted to franchise. That's what I was first thinking of doing. I was like, I wanna franchise. I wanna help create these, have these schools start going all over. And in a meeting one time with one of my mentors who is heading up a kind of like a business incubator at the university.

I was explaining to him the process. I had gotten it all ready to go. I had made partnerships with the local banks and the community development organizations that dealt with grant money, block grants, and things like that. So I had the financing packages set up, you know, all of the templates, the business plan templates, all that to get, you know, people to be able to start these origins schools. And he just kind of took the wind out of my sales by telling me that's, you know, you're such a niche brand. It's really hard to franchise a super specialty niche brand like that, because it would be so easy, especially a high liability career field like childcare, where injuries can happen.

God forbid, I mean, SIDS, things like that, that happen when you take people's children. That's like the highest liability thing you could do in the world is give me your child, I'll take care of them, see you later. There's no more bigger responsibility than that. And so he was saying, basically just kind of feeding me some ideas of like, you know, anything can happen. And if something all it would take would be one bad thing to happen in one of these origins franchises that could like spoil the whole spoil the whole brand. And I remember just sitting there in that moment, just like, oh, my God, I had done all this work. I was so excited. And it just ding. I was like, wait a minute,

why don't I just package the curriculum instead of trying to start schools? Why don't I just take the curriculum package that and sell it to schools that already exist? That way I'm cutting the liability. It can spread even faster. It's going to be a lot longer to start new schools than it will be to feed this to schools that already exist. And so that's how that origins curriculum came about. So origins education was my physical brick and mortar schools that already exist. And so that's how that Origins curriculum came about. So Origins education was my physical brick and mortar schools that we took the curriculum that we've been using for all of those years, turned it into a digital product

and a whole new company, Delaware C Corp, you know, the whole deal. And so, and then COVID happened, which, you know, timing wise, schools shutting down everywhere. It was just kind of like a fortuitous thing that happened deal. Um, and so, and then which, you know, timing w down everywhere. It was j a fortuitous thing that h of all of this tragedy an know, situation was like,

opportunity to really see so we were able to, you k and um, you know, we kind test year in the 2022. Just kept a small number of subscribers and we were really working on our backend and sort of changing the platform. We started off on WordPress and then went to Squarespace and then went to Kajabi and then to GHL

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for classroom educators, and then we sell to homeschool families direct. And so we have year-round curriculum pre-k all the way through elementary school and then supplemental curriculum for middle school and high school. And that's something that we're working on that we will have year-round for middle school and high school soon. That's kind of like on the docket. So that's kind of where it is now. And we sell to schools and families all over the world at this point. So that's so cool. Yeah.

On it, when I was at on it, uh, right before COVID, but I remember on it was struggling and, and then COVID happened. And obviously that it's weird to talk about something that's so close and any positive light, considering the total fuckery that was COVID that said though. It boosted on it. It helped on it. It helped them big time because people wanted to take their health back.

They were buying kettlebells. They were getting battle ropes. They were getting supplements like Viratech and things they knew that could boost immunity. And they were buying the digital courses that John Wolf had just created on it six. You know, all these six week programs where people can do body weight only.

And then they had a kettlebell course and they had a maze course. And so all that stuff took off and that helped, that helped with them, uh, you know, uh, becoming purchased, you know, which is the large part, what, what helped me to have this farm here with Aubrey, you know, like, so there's many blessings I think about there that are worth mentioning. It had to been like a really prime, perfect time for you guys to see like now everyone's doing online education. I mean, we were at Waldorf and Austin Waldorf decided to do online only and like we had

a sign of one page paper that said no TV, no screens, no iPads, no nothing. And I was like, we're paying $1,500 a month for kindergarten. And you want my six year old, five year old kid to sit in front of an iPad? That's so backwards. This is exactly what you guys teach against, right? But at the same time, when I think of the horror story of how bad most schools are, you know,

to think like here you have this window where you get to bring in your curriculum and bring it to people, that must've been a really cool time to test everything and to see how it was going to work. Absolutely. And the public school system, it's basically the capitalism indoctrination system. That's what it was designed for. We know this, we go back and look at when public education department through the federal government was created and why it was created. And for, you know, we know this, we go back and look at, you know, when public education department through the federal government was created and why it was created. And, you know, it

really was the goal is to stifle creativity, to create, you know, memorization and regurgitation and create little bots that could go out and work in the factories. That's what it's for. And you know, of course, there's incredible school teachers, there's incredible districts, there's districts here and there that are doing really amazing things, there's incredible teachers, teachers deserve a ton of respect. So it's not a, I'm not trying to really just cut all of that

or speak poorly on it, but the system as an institution is so broken and it's been so broken for a long time. And honestly, I believe that the, just kind of the Western education system in general is one of the biggest causes for a lot of the ailments that we have today. It's just disconnecting us from nature, disconnecting us from ourselves.

And that's one of the reasons why we're dealing with all of these economic you know, economic, social, environmental, political, you know, all of the stuff that is just crazy. And it's really time for people to take back their health, take back their education, take back their children's education. And, you know, there's a lot of families who don't have the opportunity to be able to homeschool that would love to homeschool, but they can't. Two people are working or single parent households or whatever and might not be able to afford a private tutor or be able to afford private school. And so one of the creations that Origins has right now is we have a couple of different big courses for adults as well. We have a how to start a micro school course.

And I think that that's gonna be a new revolution is gonna be micro schools that are happening all over the place. It can be in the form of like homeschool pods where you've got a few families that are kind of pitching in together. And we have an eco educator certification course as well. And we're trying to create just sort of an ecosystem

where families can look online and find who in their area has the capabilities. You know, if you just have a few families pitch in together, it can be something that's affordable for almost anyone. And, you know, we're looking at a nonprofit wing where we can start to have scholarships as well so that money is never a factor

for anybody getting involved. And so there's just, I're we're at a time right now. And I think really COVID kind of spearheaded a lot of that, really, of people just kind of being pulled out of the the system in general and starting to look at, wow, you know, if this all collapses, what are we going to do? And just kind of getting that self-sufficient sufficiency back, that sovereignty back, which I think is so, so important. And part of, you know, that's a big part of the education model in general too.

It's who am I? You know, who am I? What are we doing here? What is all of this? It's not just, you know, memorization of times tables and learning American history and all of that. You know, there's so much more, so much more. And I just, I love what you're doing with your family, just all of the work that Fit for Service

has done and what you're doing personally. And it's just, it's inspiring. And that's what we need to see so many more people doing. And I'm doing everything I can to make sure that that's what we need to see so many more people doing and I'm doing everything I can to make sure that that's accessible to as many people as who want to do it so That's fantastic. Yeah, and you talked about the the what was the term for it with the homeschool the little tiny startups What was called micro schools the micro schools? I love the idea of micro schools Yeah, you know that was that was a workaround that was a workaround for all the nonsense. If you had a homeschool co-op, as long as it was capped at 10 kids per class per teacher or something like that, whatever, it's different state to state, but those schools stayed open.

They had face-to-face interaction. They didn't have to wear masks. Your kids could see facial expression in their teacher, right? And so much of that, we still haven't even unpacked what that's going to do to a whole generation of kids. But the fact that this was a legal workaround from the beginning, I think offered a lot of insight to people that wanted to say like, hey, I'm a single mom. I can't do this by myself. But there's this co-op, right? Somebody told me about this other thing. This micro school just opened up and I see that as a great trend, right?

Cause Joel Salatin, who's I forget what Bobby Kennedy named him, but he's, he's somewhere up the ladder now for USDA and Salatin's in, you know, the documentary food, Inc. He's been, he's the runner of poly face farms. He's been huge in the regenerative agriculture movement. He's the runner of Polyface Farms. He's been huge in the regenerative agriculture movement. When I'm on the podcast, he said, since as of 2022, there had been a 1.5 million

new homesteaders made in the US alone. And that that number is trending upwards. And from that, almost like 99% of them are all homeschooling or doing some type of thing like you're talking about, either amongst a group of friends or doing it themselves. And I see that as a positive. Not everybody needs to do this. And there are great private schools and there's also great Montessori schools and great Waldorf

schools. And I think that's all there. But I love the options that are now becoming available for people to say, I don't want a standard education for my kids. And I don't want to be pigeonholed into that process because I can't afford anything else. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And I think one of the things, the biggest things that's missing is that kids being able to have that sense of autonomy and kids being able to go into things that they're interested in. And that sort of one size fits all education model

is part of what's creating all of this massive uptick. I mean, there's a lot of things that are involved in the uptick in mental health issues. Some of the stuff that happened during COVID, the isolation, obviously social media is a huge one, screens, things like that, but also forcing every single kid to learn the same things, to learn the same way, and to have to perform the same way when you've got this wide spectrum of, you know, neuro,

you know, just how people learn. Everybody learns in different ways. You know, some people are auditory, some people are kinesthetic, some people have to be hands on. The whole notion of, I mean, this is well known, documented, but having little boys, especially just sitting at desks and sitting still, and all of that, because kids aren't able to be running and playing and being outside and learning in that kind of way. And that's one of the things that I really wanted with Origins is to have it be really child led, where you're showing all of these different things

to your kids and you're letting them gravitate to what they're interested in. And what kids are naturally interested in are always gonna be what's most important for them to learn. As long as you're giving them healthy options and, you know, if you give a kid a video game console and give them a book and tell them which one do you want to do, most kids are going to grab the video game. So it's, you know, but it's about giving them, getting them back outside and playing and learning while they play. And all of that just real life scenarios and just the healthy physical, mental, spiritual

thing that happens when a kid is trying to figure out how to climb up over this thing that seems too slippery and you don't realize, they think they're just out there playing and they're just their brain, all their little synopsis. It's everything that's learning and that's the most important kind of learning. And that's what we've gotten away from with classrooms and eight hour days and and that kind of a schedule. So yeah, I think I think it's so so important to have these alternative forms of education right now.

Yeah, you touched on a big piece with nature. And I mean, there's Instagram's great for it because there's so many, so many posts like I feel like my feed is all conspiracy shit or like homesteading, homeschooling, you know, and different facts, you know, and they show like the lighting, right? Lighting is contributing this this LED light is flickering and they could see it on a phone, you can run it back in slow motion. It's like a freaking strobe light. That's a problem. The fluorescent light bulbs being indoors all day long, you're not getting full spectrum light. That's another huge factor. Being told to sit still when you're at a time where all you want to do is run

and be an exercise and use your body and be outdoors. Those are such critical pieces. Your kid doesn't have ADHD. Your kid needs to go outside. Your kid needs sunlight, right? Your kid needs to run and play. That's what the kid needs. And I think there's a great, one of my favorite books that I read recently

was the Collapse of Parenting by Leonard Sacks. He's a PhD in psychology and he's a family medicine physician, MD, and just breaks down so many of these great things in contrast to how the world used to be, to where we're at now. And he's been able to map, as a psychologist, what small decisions made early on, how those outcomes look later on in life. And it's pretty remarkable some of the stuff that he's found, but thinking about that outdoor piece, you know, such a such an important piece and a lot of people don't know too. I mean,

I've met a lot of dads, a lot of men rather that are that are my age that don't know how to play with kids. And I'm like that I don't understand like I never lost that piece. Since I was a little kid, I always wanted to play with kids. I'd always be the guy in the pool, body slamming kids and tossing them, even as a teenager until until now now like it's never gone away from me But I think a lot of people because they're used to the cubicle They're used to locking into these times and things like that. They think that this is just how it is

Right, and then even given the opportunity They don't that they've lost that connection themselves to bring kids outside and actually show them this is what we can do outside. So that was something that really I really appreciated in getting into your curriculum was seeing how much of this stuff is geared in the real world. Like how much of the education that you're bringing forward, the must knows. We must know math, we must know spelling, we must know certain things. But then curating that in a way that is founded in nature.

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class, then you have science class, then you have reading class, and you have social studies, and you have linear. What we're doing is we've created this emergent living system where the focus is not the subject. The focus is the planet, and you're learning about the planet through the subjects. So rather than having class, class, class, class like that, what we're doing is we are going all around the planet and we are doing a deep dive into each of the biomes on the planet. And the kids are learning about the original peoples, the plants and animals, the food systems, the soil types, the weather patterns, economics, all of that, how each region is connected to the greater global web. And they're doing it through the lenses of math, science, culture and society, social studies,

all of that. And so the focus is the planet. And we have four focal points throughout the curriculum, and each focal point has a guiding question. And the way that I designed this initially is I wanted it to be and we use what we call the mother mandala, which is, you know, kind of like a medicine wheel that has all these concentric circles in it that all can move independently of each other. But it shows the cyclical nature of life, of life of everything. So you've got, you know, spring, summer, fall, winter, you know, dawn, afternoon, evening, night. You've got, you know, birth, youth, you know, adult, elder.

You've got, you know, everything goes in cycles and circles. And so that's how we've developed this. And it's kind of like a heartbeat that pulses out. We're starting here. The first focal point is internal. And the guiding question is, who am I? And so when we're learning about this, we're learning all about who am I? Who am I as an individual in this world? You know, what is my body like? How does my body systems work? All of things. And then we're pulsing out. The next focal

point is it's internal, then it's external. And the guiding question is who lives here. So we're talking about people, plants, animals, like everything, the biodiversity, the ecosystems, all of that. So internal, who am I? External, who lives here? The third focal point is metaphysical. And in metaphysical, we're talking about what's happening. Like, how does all this stuff work? How does, you know, from a big overarching view. And then the fourth focal point is interconnection. And the question is, how is this all connected? And so we cycle through those all throughout the curriculum.

So it's internal, external, metaphysical interconnection, internal, external, metaphysical interconnection. And we're learning all about the planet, just the earth, mama earth, everything on it, how it works, how it's all connected. So it's just a completely different model of education. It's, like I said, it's this cyclical, not linear system that just keeps on going,

but they're getting all of the academics, everything that they need. And a lot of times it's the learning that happens linear system that just keeps on going, but they're getting all of the academics, everything that they need. And a lot of times it's the learning that happens when you don't know you're learning. That's the stuff that sticks. That's the stuff. It's not all of this memorization and regurgitation and everything. It's learning about it in a way that it makes sense. And so you know it, you don't have to memorize it, you just know it, and you're out there living it. So it's just a whole different form of education that just kind of came from utilizing a lot of these sort of ancient wisdom traditions. Native people all over the globe have always been living in balance. Indigenous people have always

lived in balance. They are the, since time immemorial, they're the stewards of the land that have always been in balance. And it's just the kind of like influence of colonialism and all the things that happen that kind of put us out of balance, putting these big systems together, capitalism at its core, like what it's meant to be for.

And I'm not gonna demonize it as a whole because I have learned a lot about, like I said, the concepts of like conscious capitalism and the triple bottom line and all of these different ways that we can take a system that, you know, we're not going to change this, that everything is ingrained. It's so deeply ingrained. It's not going to happen like that. So how do we live in a way that is more sustainable, that does take into account people, that does take into account the planet?

And so getting these concepts into children at an early age, really that's the way that we're going to affect what's going to happen to humanity in the future. Whether or not you are a believer in the concepts of climate change, whether you're somebody who, the climate is changing, whether you think it happens because it's just a natural cycle, or if it happens because it's man-caused,

kinda doesn't matter, it's just happening. Whether it's geoengineering, whether it's greenhouse gases, whether it's, we know we're fucking the earth up, we already know that, that's notengineering, whether it's greenhouse gases, whether it's, we know we're fucking the earth up. We already know that. That's not disputable, right? Humans have been doing a lot of things that are damaging.

All of it, it doesn't even really matter. What matters is that it's happening. The climate is changing. We are seeing more and more massive storms. What you just dealt with and came back with that horrible tragedy in Texas. And we're going to be seeing more and more of this. It's just going to become more and more prevalent. And I think the most important thing is, if we stand a chance as a species is we need

an entire generation of people that know how to live in balance. And it's not going to happen from the top down. We were, if you think, go all the way back into the nineties and Al Gore talking about the climate and, you know, we got to take care of the planet and, you know, all of this, the Paris climate, you know, agreements and all the things that governments have tried to implement. That's been going on. Billions of dollars have been spent, not, you know, every kind of nonprofit organization and all of this, and is it getting better? It's not really getting better. So the

top down approach doesn't work. We got to start from the bottom up. And how we how we do that is we create an entire generation that knows how to live in balance. And that starts with the kids, you know, and if you if you whether or not you believe the the, you know the scientific consensus of saying, we've got like maybe 30 years before all hell breaks loose when droughts are happening. And this is where you get geopolitical stuff that's happening. You've got massive amounts of people that are fleeing certain areas because either they

can't grow crops, the weather, you know, droughts, things like that. That causes political issues, that can cause war. I mean, there's so many things that happen when the planet is out of balance. And if you follow the consensus and the climate clock or whatever where they're talking about, you know, carbon and things like that, whether or not you believe that, we can just look and see, all right, what is it gonna be like in 30 years? If we're looking at the trajectory of how things have changed just over time,

just follow the pattern, look back, follow the pattern in modern history, not even going back ice ages, but just in modern history, we know we're coming up against some crazy stuff. Who's gonna be running the world and in charge of things when all hell breaks loose? It's the kids that are in grade school right now, the kids that are about to be born over the next like four or five years. These are the people that are going to be in charge when it is absolutely insane. Our kids, our grandkids, you know, and and it's not

going to be government policy that's going to be fixing anything. And it's not going to be government policy that's going to be fixing anything. And it's going to be people that are learning from the ground up how to live their lives, how to create sustainable communities, how to live within their means, how to grow food. Just all of that, I think, is going to be what changes everything. And we were speaking, you know, when we first popped on here about, you know, the kind of deep, deep importance of getting in your intuition, like super duper honed as we move into this, you know, artificial intelligence and AI and all of that

that's rapidly changing the way that we interface with the world. And, you know, one of my favorite quotes that I've used in since being in education is that, I think it goes, there's a couple of ways I've seen it written, but the only lasting bequest we can hope to give our children is the gift of roots and the gift of wings.

And so roots and wings, those two things together. And I see technology, know, technology, this massive increase of technology, explosion of new technology, that's kind of like the wings, we need to root kids into the earth. We can't get too carried away. You know, what was that movie, WALL-E, the Pixar? That's a documentary. That's a documentary. It's just going to be VR headsets and people just not moving muscles so weak, they can't even stand anymore rolling around on scooters and giant billboards. Buy in large.

That doesn't happen. Shop at buy in large. That doesn't happen. Shop at buy in large. Exactly. Exactly. So yeah, that's, that's, that's what I'm trying to do in my own little way. And, you know, with what I do in the world is trying to, to make sure that that my grand kids can have their own that we can live long enough that my grandkids can have their own. So. I love that.

I really appreciate the work that you're doing in the world. It's been awesome getting to know you and getting to see this come to fruition. I remember the first time you told me about how excited you are. I was like, oh, she's in it. She's all the way in it. This is cool, you know, and getting to see it was just really special. Getting the materials recently was rad to see how much and how detailed it is. It's like, wow, this is like truly the whole year. This is awesome. It's all right here. Yeah, so I'm super excited to engage that with the

kiddos and, and start, you know, allowing them to work in these cyclical education systems and, and seeing how they gravitate towards it. Yeah, yeah. It's gonna be great. It's designed to where, you know, there's so many different lesson plans. Everything's written out. So it tells you what materials you need, all of that.

You can really just go through this library of lesson plans, pick and choose, you know, what your kids are gonna be most interested in, let it be child led. We also have, I think I mentioned that to you in the email, there's planners, it comes with all these planners. So weekly and monthly planners, where you can plan out what you're going to do.

You can use the ones that we have pre-filled and just follow it exactly. Or for people who have a little bit more time, or people who are a little more experienced homeschool families, or they really want it to be more child led, we have the blank planners where you can go in and plug and play the lessons that your kids are going to be most interested in.

So there's two versions, one that's easier, that's just like a ready to go. You just follow the instructions and it's all done for you. Or you can, you know, kind of put it together yourself, really just following what your kids are going to be most interested in. And we have, you know, subjects, all the subjects that are taught in public school, plus a lot more. We've got movement and outdoor exploration. We've got mindfulness. You know, we've got nutrition. We've got all of these things that aren't typically part of a, you know, public education system. But they're also parts that are so, so important. You know, mindfulness being a kind of a cornerstone,

we know unequivocally how important that is and how much that impacts, you know, everything. You know, starting in, even for, obviously for adults, I mean, Silicon Valley, like all of that, they've been working with that, knowing how much that increases productivity, increases, you know, decreases stress and all of that. And had I grown up knowing how or knowing being exposed to like meditation and things like that as a child, I can imagine how much stress I could have avoided.

And so being able to give all of these tools, these, you know, emotional tools, you know, the whole goal of this is really helping kids learn how to recognize and manage their emotions. I mean, that's a huge thing. And so, you know, being able to teach kids how to breathe properly, how to, you know, not be breathing up here and just, you know, we have at the physical schools, we we we talk about how we do many meditations all day long. we have at the physical schools, we talk about how we do many meditations all day long. All right guys, quick break to tell you about BiOptimizers. Did you know that there's one phase of sleep that almost everyone fails to get enough of? In this one phase of sleep

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after you go potty, before lunch, after lunch, before nap, after nap, all that kind of things. Every time they're in and out of the bathroom, potty training, all of that. And what do we do when we wash our hands? We're telling them, feel the temperature of the water. Just close your eyes. Smell, what does the soap smell like?

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And it's funny, I'm sitting here talking about this and I have an alarm set on my phone that does a Tibetan bowl chime every 60 minutes to remind me because I'm so busy. I'll be just on the computer doing calls, whatever, and I'll hear, ding, and I'm so busy. I'll be, you know, just on the computer doing calls, whatever, and I'll hear ding, and I'm like, okay. But teaching that to kids is so huge. So it's just, it's such an honor to be able to do that. You know, the studies show that preschool teachers have more of an influence

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Yeah, no doubt. Well, I think I would love to have had tools like that as a kid. I would have loved to have been able to get outside more as a kid. It's still mind blowing to think that for all the recesses and activities that I had in public school, that many of those are diminished now. There's even less time to be outside. There's no PE in some of these places. There's no music in some of the places. It's just mind blowing. It does seem nefarious. I couldn't see a reason why you would do that, that wasn't, you know, that wasn't like, we understand the, when you understand holistically the importance of music and you understand holistically the importance of movement and being outdoors, it's a non-negotiable, right?

So. And that's what gets cut first, always. When education budgets get cut, it's the arts, it's music, it's outdoor activity, which are the three most important things of all. And it's always what gets cut first. And we were actually, Origins was just featured in a documentary called The Death of Recess

that's getting ready to come out. It premiered at the SLO Film Festival in California. Cool. I think in April, but it's this incredible documentary all about just the education system and all of that. We were the one homeschool company that was featured in that documentary. That's super cool. Yeah. Well, where do you see, where would you like to see things go in the future?

You guys have it rolled out now. Talk about, you know, not just where you want Origins curriculum to go, but where would you like to see the world shift in the future here, knowing that we've got what appears to be an insurmountable existential threats on the horizon. How would you like to see the world shift? Oh man.

Can we just go back in time? I think the biggest thing is, you know, it's funny. There's a prayer that I remember as a kid, it's, what is the name of the prayer? It's that the courage, the serenity prayer. It's the courage to accept, or wait, is it the courage to accept the things, the wisdom to know the difference, that one. It's like, you know, knowing what we can affect and being able to take control of those things, what we do have control over, taking control of the things we do

have control over, being able to let go of the things that we can't control. And knowing the difference between those two things and really getting as individually healthy as we possibly can be. And I think, you know, that's my goal is for, you know, every child that's exposed to these kind of concepts to have them in the best place that they can possibly be physically, mentally, intellectually, spiritually, to be able to face the way that the world is changing. And we have to be our best selves to deal with everything that's coming. And we don't know what's coming.

So what can we control? We can control what we put in our body. We can control what we're exposed our body. We can control what we're exposed to, you know, in our own personal environment. You know, what we choose to pay attention to, what we choose to focus on. You know, those are the things that we have to take the most control over.

And again, getting, you know, really in tune with your intuitions so you know what resonates with you and what doesn't, because there's gonna be a lot of, I mean, there's always been a lot of propaganda, but it's getting more and more and more. And to be able to be discerning is gonna be so, so important. So it's just that individual sovereignty, I think.

Being able to take control of our lives as much as we possibly can on every front and being the healthiest that we can be from a holistic standpoint in all of the ways to be able to face what's coming. And obviously for Origins, we just want to be able to share this knowledge and this wisdom and these ways and have this as an alternative for people who it resonates for. And then just on a personal level,

having a way that my children are gonna, be able to be the strongest to face what's coming. And really, not to get into too much of the, sort of ethereal territory, but really kind of trying to anchor in these higher timelines. And a lot of that has to do with our own individual self, what we're really tuning into on a frequency level, and also giving these tools to the kids so that they have that ability to,

to tune into the higher frequencies, starting to really know what their own home frequency is. We all have our own just kind of base home frequency when we're in homeostasis and health and balance and really starting to give these tools to people who didn't have them before. Ross, it's been amazing. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

We'll do it again down the road when I've got some time here working with the products and the kids are rocking and rolling with it. I'm so pleased to know you and so pleased to just be able to receive from you, you know, what you're doing and all of your life's work. It's really special. And so I'm very grateful for people like you in the world that are giving people other options. Likewise, likewise, Kyle. Thank you so much for having me on. And I look forward to visiting with you more and on this journey that you're with with your kids as well. Absolutely. Well, we'll link to if you guys are interested,

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