Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #418 Catalysts for Change: The Health Revolution w/ Dr. Ryan Lazarus

Episode Date: August 17, 2025

Welcoming Dr. Ryan Lazarus, a health and wellness expert, to discuss his incredible journey and insights into optimizing health. After overcoming serious hardships, including a severe pancreas injury that led to diabetes, Dr. Lazarus has developed an approach he calls 'The Lazarus Method.' This method integrates functional, spiritual, and nutritional medicine into a cohesive plan aimed at optimizing both physical and mental health. Dr. Lazarus discusses his personal journey of managing diabetes, the role of metabolic flexibility, and the importance of foundational health elements like nourishment, rest, and exercise. He introduces the concept of offense and defense in life, advocating for a balanced and flexible approach to wellness. The episode also ventures into the role of mental and spiritual health, discussing the impact of plant medicines and other methodologies for deep, integrative healing.   Connect with Ryan here: Website: lazarusmethod.com Books: https://www.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_27%3ADr.+Ryan+Lazarus&s=relevancerank&text=Dr.+Ryan+Lazarus&ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1 IG Handle: drryanlazarus Free Health Tools: https://www.lazarusmethod.com/free IFM Profile: https://www.ifm.org/practitioners/dr-ryan-lazarus-msc-cns?distance_primary=0.21868860535071807 Supplements: https://shop.lazarusmethod.com/collections   From Kyle: The Community is coming! Click here to learn more The Rising Retreat w/ Conor Milstein: https://www.therisingretreat.com/   Our Sponsors: If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM. Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU to claim your 15% discount. These are the b3 bands I was talking about. They are amazing, I highly recommend incorporating them into your movement practice. Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Kyle-Kingsbury Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome to today's podcast. We have Dr. Ryan Lazarus in the house. This was awesome. A mutual friend of ours set us up, and I started following Ryan. Really liked the information he was putting out and he decided to fly all the way in for the podcast. So we did this one at the farm here in Lockhart. We had an absolute blast getting to know each other, gave him a big tour at the end, and just loved every minute. Ryan is doing some really cool stuff.

He, like many experts in the field of health and wellness, has had to come through some serious hardship. And it's kind of hard to compare. but really Ryan's story is fucking phenomenal. It's absolutely mind-blowing to see what this guy's gone through and made his way through and optimized. I mean, he truly is a living example of what it looks like to walk the walk. I had a blast with Ryan. I hope to do more in the future.

So thanks again for coming out. Support this show by supporting our sponsors. We have a couple new sponsors today and share this far and why with people. Without further ado, Dr. Ryan Lazarus. Ryan Lazarus, welcome to the podcast. brother it's great to be here my friend it's great to finally meet you this is dope we were just talking actually we've had a quite an eventful for start to this podcast I was leaving to run

the chiropractor and it hit my assistant and podcast manager up to see if we could reschedule totally spacing that this wasn't online and then I see at the gate and I was like all right well paraproctor's got to go we'll work that around this is actually cool I had a it's funny how like one I'm usually pretty organized but one podcast that stretches because I had one face to face with Ben Stewart and I do I love the face to face it's a much better experience but quite a few of them are online and so having that one go like an hour past just reset everything but this is perfect we're here um I think your publicist had written me via my email and I was reading about everything that you're into which is awesome

right like you've had we'll dive into your story which I think is phenomenal and everything that you're into now but our buddy our boy just in knoll was the connect there, you know, and I was just laughing about the meeting him on the hunting trip with Paul Saladino and all the carnivore crew. You know, and I was like, you've got your head on your shoulders here, buddy. You know quite a bit. It was a great intro. I'm super happy he introduced us. And I just said, hey, I'm coming out to Austin for a week. I'm meeting with patients. I have some meetings. I'm hopping on podcast, a couple other people. Yeah, you know, Kyle, he goes, let me get back to you. So we made it happen. So cool. I'm so,

happy you're here brother let's uh let's let's let's we come from the similar neck of the woods you're in danville is that right i'm in danville but you know i'm from the peninsula no shit yeah you're a mona vista i was mountain view whoa cool in fact i was about to tell you you know i spent many many years on monta vistas field and dianza and all that my whole high school career all the old stonair yeah man the oaks right right outside of the anza yep i remember going to that bookstore they let a little bookstore in there and they'd show older movies for like two two bucks before they go to before they go to VHS or DVD that whole area is changed so much it's incredible yeah it's nuts I mean I felt that way for sure my mom had a house right down the street

from there she lives here now so she did quite well for herself so waiting and waiting and waiting and then when that billion dollar building went up and you're like I'm going to Texas with you boy I'm like good job mom yeah um yeah man it's such a cool I've met like a handful of people in Texas where they're like oh you know you say like I'm from a small town outside of San Jose and they're like well where you're like oh sonnyville cooperino is like cupertino did you go to school there like yeah he's like I went to mona vista and you're like what the fuck that's crazy but yeah my dad lived in pleasanton for a long time um I did a bunch of training with uh jesse burdick uh who's just phenomenal and they got a great gym there uh MMA gym as well as uh you know strength and conditioning

Jesse's taught me so much in the field of strength and conditioning absolutely love him the whole crew out there but it's a beautiful it's a beautiful area you know like it's it's something i'm i'm thrilled the fact that i could leave and support myself in another state and i love texas is fucking rad especially post 2020 you know thinking of uh just some of the differences and what our freedoms meant here and things like that and newsome's a douche uh and at the same time like california's still california it's absolutely beautiful it's one of the most amazing places on earth and it's a fun place to come back to uh you have you know you have you know you know, I feel like I always say this when I have a health professional on, but I think almost

all of us come from some like total fucking flatline scenario where our health is up against the wall. And that that is the catalyst that leads us to become who we are. I would love to hear about your life like growing up. What were the pitfalls that led you to all this? And then let's talk about everything that you've utilized along the way to get you healthy and everything they trip to now, brother. Yeah. Well, again, I appreciate. You bring them in to the studio, to your home, and to your beautiful land. Texas is amazing. Just a touch on that California thing.

We were in Santa Barbara, we were in Tahoe, we do the coast. I love everything about California. Nusilini, not a fan. There's mass accidents out of there for good reason. Maybe we jam about it later, but it's great to come out here and just see open space and open minds. so um so yeah so yeah you know what brought me into the world of well spiritual medicine and uh functional medicine and integrative medicine and all of it was was one personal story and i don't know if you know about it but there was a there was a hockey rink and an indoor soccer rink and it

called off the walls in san Jose and it was there in the 70s 80s and 90s and i was just playing a normal game. I was three months away from graduating high school in 1995, so it was March 29th, and I'm just sitting there on a Sunday night playing soccer, and I get hit on the wall like a hockey check, boom, super hard like that. And so like the mechanism of injuries is like rolling over a fence, like an outfield or just rolling over. So what should have happened, I should have cracked my ribs. I should have ruptured my spleen, but for some reason, the higher power the divine said we're going to we're going to give you a different injury and so i crushed my my pancreas in half and so they rushed me to el camino hospital um spare you all the the details

it was the most pain i've ever had and i i still have scar tissue from it i mean it's you know you know as an mma fighter and as a football player you get the wind knocked out of you there's a moment of panic there where you can't breathe it's it's scary that's how it felt all night and finally They brought me in, you know, did a cat scan. I was vomiting everywhere and they said, oh, this, this, this organ is severed. And so I don't remember anything from the time that I drank that solution. I can talk about what was happening and, you know, whether it was an NDE or not. That's, I definitely want to dive into that.

Let's, let's, yeah, if you're willing to share, I would love to hear about that. I've done a lot of research on it too, trying to figure out like the brain chemistry, the neurotransmitters the hormones what's what's going on and and you know um DMT you know it's it's always there um I know it was there it wasn't the white light I it wasn't the five MEO I'm here you know I'm looking at it wasn't that my experience was um no pain no the pain was gone I could breathe and I was just reflecting I was reflecting on times in my life when I was in elementary school when I was at the beach just complete calm and harmony and I was walking down the street with a stick and laughing and that what was going on I don't know and I don't know many people

that can tell me but I've talked with people that I've had similar things and they said this is your brain preparing you taking you out of pain and so that occurred and it was like boom nothing but alarms bells alarms in the intensive care. We saved you. You're good. You're out of pain. Looked around, saw the nurses, went back to bed for about 12 hours, woke up in the hospital bed, and was there for 10 days as I recoup. But they cut it open. They, from my chest to my belly button and room I, like basically three quarters of my pancreas where it was severed. They luckily saved the portion that's connected to the small intestine and then my spleen. And so that was,

that was the catalyst from that point on it was it was a lot of darkness and a lot of fear and a lot of anger because I thought I had the track I thought I had the path I thought I was invincible like we do until you're not until you realize you're not and so yeah that there was a lot that came after that but I sat in darkness Kyle for 10 years regret denial anger like I said victim what if but and I can get into that you know I'm sure you've heard this quote but when you're in a dark place sometimes you feel like you've been buried but you've been planted and so it took me many many years actually decades to realize that I was planted and so that's that was the beginning the catalyst of learning everything I could about the body and then helping other people

fuck yeah let's let's let's unpack that let's unpack the mission and you know first tools and things you utilized. The pancreas, I mean, break down the pancreas, too, for people, you know, we talk a lot about metabolic flexibility and things like that, but it's an understatement to talk about the importance of that organ, right? And it's often overlooked. It's a very unique organ. It's the only organ in the body that has two systems, the indocrine and the exocrine. So indocrine is hormones, and exocrine is digestive function. And it's a small little glance, like the size of a hot dog bun and it sits right under the stomach and it does many things but basically you chew you swallow the stomach is just a cement mixer producing hydrochloric acid spits out this chyme which is you know

dissolved food and it sits in the small intestine and then that's when the pancreas looks and says we got to break down this food and it produces digestive enzymes so that's the exocrine function that's digestive enzymes tripsin chymotripsin amylase lipase those are all different enzymes that break down are macronutrients and we have to have them and then it does what most people know which is produces hormones specifically insulin and so um i am an insulin dependent diabetic as a result i have my my insulin pen here and i got my cgm here and you know i do and i can't wait to tell you a story about a journey i had with grandmother about my diabetes after which helped a lot of this processing i know you'll love that story oh yeah

But the pancreas is really unique. You know, you can live without one. You can live with partial one. But there's some sacrifices you're going to have in your life. I have had many balance of digestive failure. I have these things called gastroporesis, which is the valve that exits the stomach. Basically has paralysis.

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And now back to the podcast. I've had multiple bouts and hospitalizations of pancreatitis where it just swells and just shuts off. I can't eat really normal things. And the reason why I got into what I do was these doctors were not telling me this. They were getting into it a little bit more, but they were saying, yeah, you know, you're probably going to be different. Your life's going to be a little different. You're going to be required to do insulin. You're probably not going to digest any well.

Good luck, kid. yeah that's it that was it um they mean well but uh that's why i said you know i'm going to figure this out myself and that was the journey which is just it became an obsession trying to figure out every single thing about how the body work how the pancreas works how digestion works how um insulin works and how i can function with the minimal amount and that's where i went into nutrition and functional medicine and and then i can tell you all about that from there but uh it's a really important organ and i'm I've basically dedicated my life to trying to optimize my body, my soul, my spirit to be as healthy as I can considering the cards that I've dealt.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, let's unpack the functional medicine side. Let's talk about the tools and things that you utilized and, you know, the need for them. Most people who find themselves in health and wellness, you know, like if they're overweight or, you know, inflamed or any of these things, a lot of it points back to inflammation. A lot of that points back to your inability to break down food properly. inability to produce the right amount of insulin insulin uh you know is is such an important one and we only hear about that with diabetics but you know when you do metabolic resets fasting ketogenic diets carnivore things like that that's actually potentating that to that improve that

sensitivity again you know you it does happen from weight training but not to the extent of if you actually go without carbohydrates um and from your angle you know i don't know i mean i don't even know like have have you been able to faster do these things or do you 100 percent have to you know always have the measurement of the of the carbohydrates and everything yeah good call good knowledge too there's a big difference between diabetics type one insulin dependent i have to i have to shoot insulin i can minimize the amount of insulin i shoot and i have done that and i feel i don't want to say perfected i'm very careful but i think i have optimized everything about my lifestyle my diet and supplementation to minimize the amount of insulin but what you're speaking of is what most people think

about when they think about diabetes is like type two uh which is insulin resistance and then what you said metabolic inflexibility is where the body is in a protection mode it is resistant to the insulin just because there's so much metabolic derangement the liver is off the the the the muscles are not releasing the amount of glycogen metabolic flexibility then turns in inflammation and then you create this cascade of cardiovascular disease and hypertension and it's crazy two-thirds of our nation has metabolic flexibility or insulin resistance i mean that's that's the real pandemic, right? Is inflammation.

And so, yeah, once I learned all about this and tried to apply it to myself, then I said, this is such a no-brainer. This is what people need to do. And so I actually specialized in metabolic therapy and helping people with ketogenic diets, low-carb diets, paleo diets, time-restricted feeding, eating intervals, intermittent fasting. In my book, I call it intuitive eating. and so experimented have my patients doing this and seeing some amazing benefits but yeah i mean you could within months i'm not kidding within months if you if a patient is compliant you can see

some significant changes in insulin sensitivity it's that quick yeah that's something that always gave me hope i had the nutriscents guys on from their they're like levels is another company but you know one of as cgms became more widely available you know i was like yeah fuck yeah let's do it i I remember finger-pricking, I read Wired to eat. And I was like, let me run broad wolf's test, you know? And then like these things become available and you're like, this is way better. You know, it's just it's an improvement, right? And in science to have the ability to do this stuff.

But how cool that you, you know, you have your own place where like, all right, this worked for me. Let's start guinea pig and let's start running the N equals one with these people and seeing stuff. And one of the things that I was really blown away by with the Neuturesense folks, because they've had thousands of people and have a lot of data is that they said you can become metabolic. flexible in a matter of weeks, you know, like six weeks, a couple months, three months, if you are diligent and paying attention and you still might have another 80 pounds to lose, right? If you're 100 pounds overweight, like that's daunting for a lot of people. It feels like you can't get it off. But like once you become metabolically flexible and your body knows that to process food correctly and it stops, you know, starving itself and holding on to everything

at the same time, you know, then it's really easy to see that shift come over and over again because you've actually slid everything to the right places it needs to go you're absolutely right it is within weeks you can measure this these are measurable outcome measures that can show insulin sensitivity and metabolic flexibility it has to do with macronutrients it has to do with the timing it has to do with time-restricted feeding intermittent fasting and there's some great supplements that can help that but it's really through it's healing the liver people think it's the pancreas the pancreas is just confused yeah I mean insulin resistance you know semi-glutides, I mean, all those GLP-1s, that, I mean, that GLP-1 agonists are basically like

WegaVee and OZempic. OZMPIC, yeah. Those were originally approved for insulin resistance and diabetes, and then they realized, oh, people are not hungry at all and are losing weight really fast. And so now it's used where I live, all over the place. I mean, it is all over the place. But those same mechanisms is through kind of the liver and through actually the gut. Here's some crazy facts that people don't realize, but GOP-1s are just parts of an

in Creighton family. These are hormones that literally reside in your small intestine, and they taste food. And they release certain polypeptides that say, hey, liver, hold on to sugar or let go of it. And, you know, that's really the mechanism behind GLP1 and these GIPs is that you're modulating those. You could do them with peptides, too. But, I mean, you know, there's no money, excuse me, there's no money in that. So, but yes, it's by healing the liver with intermittent fasting and specific carbohydrate intake.

You can see within weeks. That's incredible. That's so cool. Yeah. Keep us going, man. Run the show. Keep us going through your path here and anything you want to bring up. I mean, obviously, usually I like to read a book and I don't have your book.

I brought it for you. I should. Yeah. I should have sent it to you. Sign it for me. That's all I care about. You'll love it. We're on the same frequency, brother.

We are. Awesome. Yeah. Spiritually, philosophically, I mean, I'm listening to you and, you know, very proud of what you've done and what you're building and the retreats you're having here and the tribe that you're connecting to. It's very similar and that's what I'm advocating. So we're all on the same team.

We're just doing it in our own way. Yeah. But the spiritual portion, the mental. portion the emotional portion like after i after i really became proficient understanding what i needed to eat and the supplements i needed to take i'm a clinical nutritionist too and i made my own supplements and then i was really realized i need to start healing this and this and uh i'm still doing that and i still will continue to do that uh but layers of the onion yeah yeah and so you know i mean kind of tying back to you know what the emergency room doc and with these other endocrinologists

and gastroenterologist and immunologists and every doctor that was ending with an is to say, you're broken, just get used to it. There was some harsh words that were given to me. And I used to say they were bad seeds, but I'd call them curses. Because you take a young man who's 18, dealing with this, 25 years old, and you say this is the way it's going to be with people that you trust. And all of a sudden, that's called label theory. and it happens is like I can start to manifest that I'm a diabetic this I have the label of a diabetic

these are going to be my challenges and I realized that and I had to I had to shed it I had to purge that and so it took me a couple decades to actually go through some medicine and some journey to do it but some pretty profound experiences that I'm sure you'll love to hear about shedding this label that I put on myself. And so that's kind of been the recent portion of kind of healing myself. But what I basically did was kind of created a method. And then I was in Napa. I had a clinic in Napa for 20 years and saw great patients, thousands and thousands of

patients and gave them, you know, functional medicine, integrative, and nutrition and dietary and exercise protocols and saw great results and started to realize, you know, I couldn't and get to everybody and why is that and that's my new obsession is like why do we change where is the block and I truly think healing and like optimizing our soul and our body is really in here and in here and so I've spent a lot of time in the last 10 years really investigating my own and then advocating it to others all right guys quick break to take tell you about one of our longest running show of sponsors, Lucy.co. Let's level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to lucy.com slash KKP and use promo code KKP to get 20% off your

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podcast you know and he he let me know because you know throughout the last year in fit for service i was really diving into more physical health like all right i've been teaching on all sorts of stuff and it's like now let's just find a little wheelhouse here and you know this is what you know so let's dive deep with that and i've plenty of different people come through with different ailments as i'm sure you have and um i'd really rack my head around people that hadn't changed you know very few right less than 10 percent but there was still that less than 10 percent and it's telling him about it and he's like you can't save everyone yeah you know Nathan said that you can't save everyone and uh some people don't actually want to change and so

I was reading um I got really into be a Jack Cruz uh light medicine in the future from from uh Jacob israel Lieberman I had him on the podcast he's in his 80s he's a savage and then of course health and light John Ott was what sparked that beforehand but he and he wrote luminous life Lieberman did and he talks about you know how he healed his vision via this transcendent state and meditation and he talks about these things but he has you know he's invented protocols and different technologies to help with eyesight

and how many people he's come across that won't let go of the fact that they can't see that that label has now been that's a part of them right and so he even says like it's not you could say it's victimhood or whatever but it's more like identity I think than victim right yes and you know he's like I can I can heal you of this if you want but then who would you be without your story

right like I always remember that you know when I'm talking to people where it seems like the story is stronger than the possibility of change 100% I've seen it for two decades and people don't realize it and I try to nudge them and explain and some people are open to it and this is where I'm really trying to perfect this is speaking to people in a way with because this is uncomfortable talking about like shedding the layers right going deep and without scaring them and I've said, well, you know, I've been straight up, you know, these things need to change. You have this narrative in your head. That didn't go well with certain people. And there is a strategic way I'm working on on helping people realize that they can go a little deeper and that there is this label and this, there is this narrative in their head. And it could be benign thing, which is, you know, I'm depressed. And, you know, you wake up and you don't feel good. And it's cloud outside and you don't have energy, that's my depression, right? Or it could be something serious, serious, cancer. It could be a serious, serious condition. And that's really, you know,

what I'm really working on and spending a lot of time on myself and, you know, writing books on it. And just really obsessed with why we change and why we don't change. You know, there's a great quote that, you know, change happens when the pain of not making the change exceeds the pain of actually making the change. You get pressed. You finally get to a spot where you're like, I have to change something. I have to make a different decision. And that's usually when people's back is against the wall. And not many people that are just going through their daily lives and functioning very well say, okay, these are the things that I need to change. And so Um, I think it's, um, I think you need to be vulnerable. Um, the, the person that I think there

needs to be curiosity. And I think that the, as a, as a, is a healer that I can kind of sense where they're at and give them a couple books to read, give them a couple things to do, breath work, um, all kinds of different tools that allows maybe some willingness. And then when they feel like I'm ready to go, that's when the magic can happen. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Um, God, I had something right on the tip of my tongue. I'm thinking about plant medicines and things like that with you. Yo, there's one way to open the portal right there. Yeah, so it's definitely one way.

And honestly, we were just talking before this, I don't, you know, I just had the liver king on. This podcast will show up after that. If I don't air the liver king, if he doesn't want me to, then it will happen again down the road. You know, I can't speak to his experience and what he's going through right now because we haven't spoken. but, you know, I've seen enough people jump in head first in the deep end with plant medicines where I'm like, all right, well, I used to scoff when someone would say they're not for everyone or enter with care or you really ought to have a, you know, it's like, like I've seen enough people come out the rails where I'm like, you know, that actually is true.

And as annoying as it is, it's like, there's not for everybody. We need good guides and all that stuff. But I've really been in the exploration of what are the other ways to crack us open, right? Like, what does holotropic breathwork do? How can I do that? Let me share this, right? And there's something Aubrey and I are huge into. We've been using at pretty much every fit for service event for the last six years.

And it's great because, as you know, you've got one foot on the gas or you can put it, pump the brakes. You're going too far. You don't want to leave your body. You know, you don't want to stay right here. Okay, hit the brakes. Do a breath hold and relax. Go back to normal breathing. I find that to be fascinating and fantastic at the same time.

Darkness. I haven't done a darkness retreat yet, but all my friends have, you know, and they talk about different states of being in there. and how that's another avenue, right? I'm going to do my first vision quest this year on the land. Four days, no food, no water. You know, and one of my good friends, he just did his first here. And our good buddy, Ken Conti, who's been on the podcast, you know, he's going to come and pour sweat for us and sit with us while we're,

while we're out there. So I'd like the idea of, you know, these different tool sets that can get us there. And I think certain ones are appropriate. And you just mentioned, you know, as a healer, it's your job to kind of sort through that and then give the breadcrums necessary to feel into what are they actually called to? I think in Austin in particular So many people are like, this changed my fucking life Let me give it to you

You know, I just went to a six-day shaman school in the Amazon Now I'm going to serve medicine You know, and it's fucking everywhere And people that are doing it will even say They'll talk about the six-day shaman school Like it's someone else You know, and I often think about You know, jiu-jitsu belts

Like I want to sit with a black belt Dr. Dan Engel said, you know, when you're doing psychic surgery You want someone with a steady hand on the scalpel You don't want somebody drinking whiskey with a shaky hand, right? So, yeah, that's never been more apparent than even, especially right now, it's alive in me. But as you're working with people, you know, and you're wrapping your head around, like, this is the question right now, like, what affects change? How can I get people to see this for themselves?

What are some of the breadcrumbs you give to people? You talked about kind of feeling into them. Maybe they need this book. Maybe they need that thing. What does the progression look like, you know, to see what they're called towards? I think a really important thing is a meaningful, real, raw conversation. Like what we're doing and what you're really known for and what I respect you for is having these conversations. And I have to build trust and rapport before we can have that.

If you start asking the right questions, have you ever heard of Turtles All the Way Down? You ever heard of that concept? I don't know what the concept is. I've heard it like a country song. Yeah. Sturgle Simpson. Yes. Yeah, exactly.

That's a great song. Yeah. turtles all the way down is basically it's like a philosophical metaphor for infinite regression which is if I ask you a question and you give me an honest answer there's always the appropriate follow-up question which is why and if you if you go and you keep doing this you're eventually going to hit a spot where they don't know or there is a block and and so I do it I don't say hey we're doing turtles all the way down let's start let's do the Y exercise But if you start really talking to people and asking, they'll pull the kind of layers with you and then we'll get to a spot.

And then from that point, you can't, I can prompt them with, you know, do some, do some meditation, you know, spend some time in nature. Don't try to figure this thing out, but just sit there and listen and observe and be curious. And when the time is right, then we can start, you know, peeling those layers. but you know eventually this kind of turtles all the way down gets to like it's it's no joke like the meaning of life why are we sitting right here we're sitting to learn more about health right why we wouldn't learn about health because we want to optimize our body why do we want to optimize our body because we want to live a a fulfilled life and in my body and spirit and why do we want to do this and then I can start saying well because of what happened to me well why did that happen to me

And then you, I mean, it might take 50 questions, but if you answer honestly, you'll eventually get to a spot where you need to answer it for yourself. And if you don't know, then that's, that is the point. What are you comfortable with getting to that next layer? Is it breathwork? Is it time and nature? Is it a vision quest? Is it plant medicines?

Some people don't want to do any of that. In fact, where I practice and a lot of the people that I work with, because I'm kind of in corporate America. I have corporate wellness and I have the corporate athlete and I go do workshops with like finance and tech guys and you start talking this language to them and they're like, bro, I got an email that I need to get to and I need to go hop on this plane. So not everyone is ready and willing to do this, but if you ask the right questions, you can get to a level and then from that point if they're willing, then you can open up that portal and then I can make some suggestions from there. Sometimes it's just nudging them. It could be supplements. It could be

microdosing. It could be just a 10-minute mental fitness practice. It could anything. But let's just open the portal and be curious with it. Yeah, I like that. And just being, I guess, obviously, you know, you're tuning in to what tools actually show up, intuiting, you know, like this could be a helpful tool and here's some options, those kind of things. That makes sense. Where did you, I mean, you worked on body first, you know, and I think of the body as a tuning fork and that if I'm not in my right state physically, I'm not going to be in my right state mentally or emotionally. And I've had many examples of this.

One that really stood up to me in particular, which I've talked about before, was when I was lifting really heavy and training is still a bunch post-fight career, you know, like 2015, 2016, 2017. Not so much in 15 and 16 as my son was small, but like basically when he was three and four, if I was really sore and stiff and he'd barrel into me, I wouldn't react to like the dad I wanted to be, you know, I'd be like, oh, come on, you know, and Tasha would look at me like, what do you mean? Come on. That was fine two days ago. And it was like, well, I'm sore now. And it's like, well, how do you expect him to know that you're sore now? You're like,

of course, I can't expect him to know that. And I do want to be able to just eat shit and fall to the ground and grab them and wrestle, right? And so that started to put concepts in my mind around like what I'm actually doing this for. And then I was on mushrooms when I realized when I'm that stiff, that stiffens me mentally and emotionally, right? It's not just a physical soreness and this made this is my medicine right what the oracle tells me is for me and me alone not necessarily going to apply to everybody who trains hard and a sore and all that i'm not saying that you're emotionally you know yeah not yourself if you're if you're walking around stiff but for me that's how that's how it was yeah and realizing that you know prompted me to want to

train differently and not to push myself balls to the wall and what the fuck was that for anyways i'm not going to fight anybody anymore hopefully um and i want longevity like give me the years now and the mileage to go a million miles on the vehicle as opposed to how fast can I get to the first hundred thousand you know like let's see what I can do from there but that really opened up in like a deeper level of understanding and resonance with my own tuning for you know what do I need to feel my best what do I need to be my best as a father as a husband as a as a teacher and as a student and I think that you know you mentioned curiosity I love that when you think about what what is required for change the boot whether was the Buddha or fucking anyone

else you want to attribute it to, you know, or they become as a beginner, right? They come with a beginner's mindset is such a critical thing. And it gets overlooked, but like that's really what it means. I've been talking to my son about that. If you know everything, there's no room to gain anything else. Yes. Right. But if you come curious, right, that curiosity is coming with the beginner's mind. Then the doors open. Now I can receive. Now I can learn. 100%. Your ability to be open to gathering new information, whether it's experiences or travel or learning or listening not being ignorant when you're blocked and you know I'm good that's where you're stuck in the loop and that's a dangerous place to be and so willingness to bring

information in in the method the it's called the Lazarus method that I spent really 25 30 years creating since the moment that injury happened and everything that I've done to myself and all of the designations that I've done and all treating these patients I created these seven essential health elements and that's how I that's my framework and we all have a framework it's not the it is a but I put it together and learn is one of those I'll explain them on the bottom foundational foundationals anchors right so it's there's three on top and three on the bottom and boom one right in the middle and let me also kind of preface this by saying where it was started from just book after book knowledge

after knowledge, I was just kind of cherry picking all of this and just wrapping it around and trying to process it and hybridizing all of this in my head. And so this is like Hawkins levels of consciousness and Stan Groff, right? And it's Carl Jung, right? The darkness. And then, you know, Irovedic medicine and the seven chakras. And, you know, I could tell you all about those. And so there was a lot of that in there. There's meridians and then epigenetics. So really taking some ancient, ancient healing paradigms. common and, you know, spirit medicine and wrapping it into epigenetics and functional medicine, which is kind of this new operating system and creating this. And that was really the genesis behind

this. So on the bottom, the foundations is nourish rest move. Nourish is obviously what you're eating, the hydration, and then, you know, supplements that complement that, supplements that are very important for you. And by the way, it's different for every single person. Every single person has a different supplement regime. And we can do, that's what I do. I run blood, chemistries and saliva's and genetics and all kinds of different things and can give people what they need but that kind of falls under nourish boom the bottom is rest sleep foundation non-negotiable how important that is it's not only sensory rest mental rest but the quality of sleep and i'm sure you're about matthew walker and all the science about how important that is for

not only your brain but neurodegener problems and um cognition and all that and so and then move and move or the three pillars you know them very well cardiovascular pulmonary endurance VO2 max strength power resistance metabolic training and then flexibility mobility and stability and those are the ones that are usually under-emphasize and so those are the ones I'm actually spending a lot of time on right now when we're speaking of bodies a lot of time

that's the bottom those are the anchors that's foundation that is strength and energy and vitality non-negotiable very important they're on the bottom for a reason the top top expansion growth kind of mindset and so it's learn like i alluded to challenge and connect so learn like you just spoke about being curious being open to gathering information uh what people are telling you what books have been written people's people's experiences some heroes before us like this provides perspective and you know what we need perspective right now more than ever um about some people that have done some incredible things that should not be forgotten. And nations and some time eras that have been through some things that we need

to be reminded about. But it's also travel. Like, you know, I take my kids out. We have a sprinter van. We go cruise to national parks. We go travel internationally. They're teenagers. I explained to them the reason and the intent behind this because it is that perspective. Then it's connect. And this is, you know, what I see one of your strengths. It's connect to nature, connect to self, connect to tribe and community. We are hardwired to be part of a tribe. When it comes down to like what are we absolutely yearning for as humans, it's like purpose and belonging, right?

And so that belonging is very important. And there's many people that are feeling a little disconnected from they don't have a tribe. They're disconnected from their community. They're disconnected from themselves. Yeah. And so very important there. And then the top is challenge, having a challenge, having something that you're moving towards

something you're inspired or motivated in doing or learning or accomplishing. And so that's the top. Those are the expansion zones. And then boom, right here, it's called the spark. And the spark is your passion, your purpose, your soul. So everything I do is assessing each person, not only friends, but patients, acquaintances, where are they? What is their bandwidth on all these energies? Where are they strong?

Where are they vulnerable? And how can I nudge them to allocate a little bit of energy and bandwidth in something that we agree needs a little attention? And those when they're balanced can feed that spark. And vice versa, if the spark is clear, then I can leverage the spark and we can kind of move it that way. Super proud of this. It's constantly evolving.

But that is the framework. That's how I literally see helping people. on an individual basis. The bottom, there's metrics for too, right? Like I said, V-O-2 max and grip strength and all the, like, the longevity. Captain's a crush. Let's go. Yeah. CGMs and, you know, blood chemistry and adrenals and microbiome and, I mean, all the tests that I run.

You know, quantifying and having data on yourself is really important. HRV, right? What's your heart rate variability? What's your deep sleep? But it's very hard to quantify the top. it's very hard to quantify and get a like a true score on like how much your curiosity is and how much you challenge yourself and how much you connect. And so that's part of the intake.

That's part of my conversations in the healing process is I literally quantify. They get a grade. They get a grade in these things. And then from that point, I kind of build them a chart and I see areas where they're in balance because ultimately if it's like a polar chart, you ultimately want 10 out of 10. And I've, I'm always striving for 10 out of 10, but I personally don't, I think that it's, I don't know what to say it's possible and careful with my words. But the reality is, is the people that really thrive in a realistic way, the people that are like eights out of tens. Like they're, they're doing well in all of them.

What I don't want is a two out of 10 and a nine out of 10. That, that's imbalance. And so that's where I'm saying, okay, instead of like, you know, trying these supplements and in, narrowing your eating window and doing all the things that you can control that all is the hot trendy topics on social media and you know and AI and all of this is why don't we spend a little bit more time with learn what and give giving them tools to allocate that or with connect and so ultimately kind of building balance so that's a long explanation but as you can see I'm very inspired and very passionate about it all right guys another quick break to tell you about

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alpha brain and see how we can improve it for black label you know i think we did a great job with it but something i always get questions on shit like this in paleo of x different panels speaking on it and whatnot and it's like there's no neotropic that gets you out of bad sleep like when you see an asprey at 3 a.m. saying like I just had ubiquinol and this and that and it's how I can deal with lack of sleep. It's like no dude. It doesn't mean we're not going to have bad nights or we don't travel to a different country in a different time zone. But it is to say like there's no you're not getting out of that hole. Like it's the most important thing you can do for your brain for your fat loss. Rob Wolf said if you're not sleeping while you're cock blocking your fat loss. It's it's

it is true there's a lot of shiny shit there's a lot of and i love alpha brain by the way i mean it's a great neutropic um there's some great you know technologies with alpha gpc and coline crossing the blood brain barrier and you know magnesium three and eight and all kinds of really cool neutropic things that give clarity but if you don't do the fundamentals it doesn't matter and i see a lot this is what i see a lot i see paralysis by analysis right now people are just grabbing all of the stuff. And, you know, I got these underlying problems. You know, I'm going to, I'm going to, you know, use this medication.

I'm going to use this supplement. I'll biohack my way out of here. Yes. To your point, rest, sleep, optimal nutrition, hope molecules, getting out, moving around, getting your heart rate up, non-negotiable. But it's the boring stuff. That's the things that are overlooked. That's why it's overlooked.

And so, yeah, I feel you on that. Basics. One more story. And then I want to dive in. I got more questions for you. When I was first on the ultimate fighter, I was with there. I was a white belt, and I really didn't even train much jiu-jitsu. I personally just wanted to stand and bang like Chuck Liddell and thought that would be my career.

Let me become an expert striker and an expert defending takedowns. Never mastered takedown defense, by the way. But I remember watching Ogara train with other black belts, Daniel Valverde, and he was training with me at Machito, came and stayed with us for two weeks. Anderson Silva, you know, and there was practices that he'd do 90 minutes straight because he'd train us and we'd have two training sessions, and then they'd also be doing shit on the side. And I watched this guy train 90 minutes straight only in guillotine.

He was either guillotine, the other guy, arm in, arm out, half guard, closed guard. He was in it or he was, or he was had it, or he was doing it to the other guy, right? For fucking 90 minutes. I'm like, A, the neck has got to be paying for something with that. But B, I said, why did you guys do the same thing? It's so fucking basic. And he goes, oh, buddy, it is why we do because it is basic. And I was like, all right, do you train the basic?

how many times you find yourself in a guillotine? It's a lot. And he's like, yeah, you're always going to be there. So there's no amount of training. There's basically no amount of training that you can overdo when it comes to the basics. Yes. And if it shows up a lot at every level, which it does, like watching kids now, they can't guillotine in the ghee, but they can in Naga and some of the no-gey tournaments.

And it's like, once you realize the power of that weapon, it becomes something that everyone uses. Remember training with Jake Shields and he would just hold guillotines without even trying to finish just to get sweeps. Like that was his grip to sweep, you know. But that really stuck in my mind. And I fell in love with Jiu-Jitsu much later after Bonner beat my ass at the shark tank, you know, literally teabagged me in front of 20,000 people. He got to North-South and just sat up and rested his balls on my face.

I was like, all right, I'm a blue belt. He's a black belt. Clearly something needs to change. I respect Jiu-Jitsu now. And I take that with me in everything. The importance of basics is it's not, you can't say it's, you shouldn't overlook them. You should be like, no, this is the most important. It's the most important thing.

And the other stuff is an accoutrement to that. It's not better than it's nothing beats the basics. It's like what every coach told us, fundamentals. No, you're not ready for that yet. You know, it doesn't matter what sport. It doesn't matter what martial arts. You know, we want to go in and we want to, you know, do the fun stuff. But if you overlook the fundamentals, you're missing something.

The foundations are crucial. And it happens with our lifestyle habits, to your point. my son does jiu-jitsu. I've gotten down and rolled around and hurt my neck and went, oh boy, you want to talk about some humility real quick. He's at essence. It's

a kind of NorCal Brazilian jiu-jitsu. And it's awesome. But I wish I had your knowledge to be able to say this is what you need to focus on. This. I'm trusting that the coaches are given him what he needs.

but they are it's it's the fundamentals it's you learn this that's why they have belts that's why there are progressions um you got to put in your work and you got to show and display and perform it i love that well that's i i will say you know the matter who his coach is in a long game he's going to learn from good guys you know like we had dave camarillo who was in the east bay it was a great coach and then we replaced him with leandro viera was the youngest of the check met brothers with leo viera and ricardo viera and that was like a whole new system to learn and that's where I ended up getting my black belt from and then come in here. You know,

I'd on it. I was training with the 10th planet team because it was 20 feet from my cubicle. You know, like I could just walk there and I had really cheered away from no-gee for the ghee to get my black belt. Now I'm back to only no-gee. But here's a whole new system to learn. So I just think like the way the sport is evolving and everything like that,

as long as they're on the mat playing and learning and, you know, that's really it. Kit Dale got his black belt in four years. It's doing all games-based shit. Don't drill. It's like we're employing that with the kids now and seeing them take off in these one-hour practices and we can hang with teams that are training three hours a day. So there's plenty of stuff there that's really cool. But any, you know, just being on the mats is like number one. And that mastery comes with time, you know.

But I want to know for at what point, you said you're in the darkness for a decade, right? So like you're healing your body. You're starting to get results back, right? There's an ROI on the shit you're figuring out because you're testing yourself, right? And that's the number. number one thing I think that MMA did for me. I talk about that being my second mountain in education was now I'm going to try Kelly Sturrette's mobility. Now I'm going to try Wimhoff's breathing and ice baths. And now I can actually feel it and I'm sparring three days a week with the best in the world, world champions. Cain Velasquez, Daniel Cormier, Luke Rockhold, I have a test against the best three days a week to see if this is working or not. Right. And so I learned very quickly what was good

for my body, what wasn't those kind of things. And coming from the level of crisis that you were in you, I'm sure you could, you were highly sensitive to what was working well and what was not working well. At what point during that evolution did you realize I have to go deeper, let me look into these other avenues? It's a great question. I would say there was some epiphanies where I was feeling good. I was managing my diabetes.

I was digesting my food. I had gotten off the, I got off the victim horse, but there was just still something inside. So I spent many years that in denial and victim and blame. And once I kind of processed that and I was feeling good and, you know, I moved from horizontal ill to vertically ill to actually feeling pretty healthy, there's just something. felt like it was missing. I needed to, I needed to go in and find something to, to understand this, this label that I had. And I, my conscious brain was not able to do it. I didn't have the tools to do it. And so, it wasn't really epiphany. It was a, it was a,

kind of a, a realization and that just kind of continued to nudge me and whisper that, I'm ready to find that and to pursue it. And, you know, time of nature always would do that. I did some great survival camps with my son and it would have that clarity. But there was some itch. There was some other itch that was calling me. And it was through some colleagues that said, you should really look into these medicines. And then, you know, reading them and understanding, you know, how chemistry works.

and different MOAs and reading different books, then I finally was like, okay, I think I'm ready to go down and uncover this. And when you do that, you know, it's not like, okay, you know, what did that doctor say and how do I get? It's like, okay, there's responsibility. Once you go, once you go down, it's not just one problem. It's, you open up a whole, a whole conversation that goes generations and so to answer your question in a long way it was it was a feeling it was a feeling that this victimhood is kind of ending I was kind of getting out of it but something was still incomplete yeah what talk a bit about your experiences there you know you mentioned like an NDMT 5MEO DMT you know the different guys there we were talking before the podcast on psilocybin

and ayahuasca like what for me personally my boxing coach as you know was a um medicine man and he would take us for traditional sweat lodges then eventually started what you started working with psilocybin on the reservation and then from there uh he brought quitting that i was in to work with iawaska and that just reconnected me and opened me in a whole different way and somewhere there just like fighting wasn't that important anymore you know but i was getting gaining so much from it and um and still you know had plenty of time to process and work through it and my coach was always there you know he was somebody i could lean on for mentorship and guidance and questions that i'd have on you know different states of being and how things apply you know like how do I apply this and really start

to integrate it and work with it you know what did that trajectory look like where you when you dove in yeah I think there's a lot of misconceptions it's a I mean it's super hot topic I mean everybody knows about some of these medicines now and there's a lot of interest in it I wouldn't say it's commercialized but it's you and I can both feel it's moving that way I wanted to understand understand a little bit about it. How you change your mind. Michael Pollan's book was really good. That was a really good book.

That just kind of explain the science of the default mode network and things like that. And then, you know, some shamans that I were colleagues and kind of explaining, you know, some of the ancient protocols with grandmother and ayahuasca and then, you know, mycelium strains and psilocybin. and started really understanding or trying to understand DMT and the pineal gland and just like gathering all this, just super curious. And then getting into like the spiritual aspects of it and how this has been used for thousands of years as rites of passage to move us from different phases in our life that allows us to purge, clear, and move on to the next phase of our life. And I listened to the Paul Check podcast you had on recently.

He was talking about many of these things in terms of the words. They're very, very important, these rites of passage. And so just look, I was just gathering. I hadn't really done anything and got an intro to a shaman had been done it for 30 years, actually in Southern California, Shabeebo, and heavily vetted and then talked and said, okay, this sounds like somebody who I could have this conversation with. And so, that's, that was the, the entry into it. Um, and then it kind of branched off into many other medicines, um, did multiple ceremonies

with her, um, found another shaman kind of, you know, experimented with different dosages of psilocybin and, um, but, you know, they felt like there was a, and I hate saying protocol because that's not what it's about. These are, these are, these are timeless medicines that give us the information that we need, right? You don't get what you want. You get what you need. And understand that there was very important preparation and then there's medicine and journey and integration and realizing that's not a panacea and you don't just take it and all of a sudden mind-blown neuroplasticity. Oh, that makes sense. Okay, what's next? I know Kung Fu. Yeah. I took the red pill and it went down far. So realizing that there was a lot of

work I needed you to prep and so breath work and time in nature and a lot of meditation and really developing, you know, those mental fitness skills and then realizing the power of what those journeys and those ceremonies do. And then, as you know, integrating it because it's really life is integration now. Every single, every single experience is integration. Everything is integration. And so like felt like this makes sense to me. I'm good. And then, yeah, and then the journey started and the epiphanies happened. And again, as you know, and as you've talked about on your podcast, there's no experts in this that, you know, I'm just scratched the surface. It will humble you very, very quick.

But enough that it brought me down that level, right? And turtles all the way down where I, okay, there's something there. Okay, I need to patch that. I need to pursue this. And it went in with relationships with my parents, relationships with myself. things that I never really truly processed as an adolescent. It wasn't just like I'm going to just rip off this diabetes label, although I did have a ceremony where I did do that.

But it was just an incredible experience that I'm super grateful for. That has, as you know, it just, it lights you up and I see the world with a different lens now. Yeah, let's be, I mean, when it goes right, there's nothing like it. There's nothing like it. It's gone wrong too. meaning I've had some hours where I've sat there and it wasn't going as I had planned. But as you know, those are some of the most illuminating experiences. Absolutely.

I guess what I mean by that statement is that, you know, like the, who am is it, either Dennis McKenna or one of the greats has said there's no such thing as a bad trip. There's only challenging experiences, right? And I agree with that wholeheartedly when we're speaking about individual things. What I mean about going right versus going wrong is like, you're sitting here today on a podcast with me, 100% coherent, grounded to the earth, you have integrated much of your life's work, and now you're able to take that and give it to people, whether that's through altered states or not, like you've got an ability to share what you know, and it's helping a lot of people.

That's going right. Going wrong is you lose touch with reality, you know, and unfortunately some of those people, you know, that is just the dark night of the soul and they find their way back, and then others don't find their way back, you know, and that's what I'd say is going wrong, you know, when you have those experiences and don't have the the right you know the right structure around it right not just set and setting for the thing but like the

the structure of how this is going to happen on the back end who's there to who can I who can I bounce ideas off of who can hold me through this well said that's where mentors come in right that's where mentors what you do and what fit for service is just speaking with people that we can have a common language and we can meet them where we're at

And when you're open and you're curious and you learn, you can take that information and you apply it. I mean, I think that's the beauty of being a human being is being open to that. And those experiences, they, I realized that I was closed in a handful of ways and still am. I mean, I'm not, I, so it's a beautiful journey. And, you know, as I was driving here from the airport, I came here and I was like, I'm sitting with Kyle. I'm super stoked. I was driving down the road. I've never been on that road before.

I'm like, who would have thought? I'm on my way to talk to an OG, you know, warrior poet who is creating a great tribe of leaders and people that are seeing the world with on the same frequency. And we're all, you know, we're all trying to recruit people. It's like, look, there's a great way to live. And it's through, you know, this common language that we have. But who would have thought, you know, 25 years ago when I was sitting there and upset and taking medications and shooting and damning everybody that I'll be here sitting here talking with you so

thank you brother yeah fuck yeah brother the best the best rides are the most challenging experiences that we you know we alchemize yeah yeah absolutely um right you got to tell me tell me the name of your book and let's talk i mean um i think we're brought up to snuff on kind of you know the story and everything like that um tell us you know is there anything you wanted to discuss today that we didn't bring up yeah The book is called The Essential Health Playbook, and it's, you can appreciate this as an athlete. It's, I feel like a lot of people do not have a game plan or a playbook for their health. And I grew up as an athlete, and you know, you would never go against any opponent in martial arts or in football, not knowing who you're playing.

And so part of this, you know, inability. to help everybody. I felt like there was a common theme, which people would set these little goals and then something would happen and they would just dissolve and they would just go back into the loop. The New Year's Resolution crew.

And so, you know, Taoism, chaos and order, right? The Ying and the Yang, that is a representation of balance and chaos and order and that's part of being a human being that has been proven for thousands of years. and so in studying that and just trying to like morph it with how I was helping people with this game plan I give it an analogy and it's the premise of the book which is life is like a game it were on offense and we're on defense and would you you're a defensive player correct yeah defensive back or defensive end defensive end yeah um you you had a

defensive game plan and your offense, maybe knew of your game plan, but it was completely different. There was completely different sets of blueprints. And offense to me in life is having order, having structure, knowing what we want to accomplish, to do lists, tasks, responsibilities, leaning forward, having goals, achieving them, having momentum, right? We know life on offense feels good because we're checking boxes and we're feeling good. But life on defense is different. It's reactive. It's chaotic. There's problems. There's issues. We have to pivot. We have to improvise. And the things that we wanted, maybe wanted to do, we have to hold off and and deal with the things that we need to at that moment. And so I just see our daily lives is this game of offense

and defense. And so the book, and really my kind of philosophy, health philosophy, is to be consistent, that's all we really need, to be balanced in those seven essential health elements and to be flexible and consistent, you want to know when you're on offense and you want to know when you're on defense. And then you've got your offensive game plan and then you have a defensive game plan. And so that's what the book is about, about how you balance and can be flexible when life inevitably throws BS at us. And this was a lot through stoicism, right? Ryan Holiday and meditations and Marcus Aurelius

and a lot of great ancient philosophers that I really took the virtues of that and kind of put it in there as well. And so I train people that read the book and I train people in my programs and I now advocate it in a corporate setting about you got to stop, you got to take inventory, You've got to know an offensive game plan, and when you're on defense, this is the time that you hit floor goals.

Life is not all about ceiling goals. It's about pivoting and hit floor goals and just being consistent, right? You know, James Clear wrote it. You don't rise to the level of your goal. You fall to the level of your system. And so I'm trying to give people a system that no matter what is happening that they can stay consistent with. And so that's the theme of the book. And it's great.

It's great teaching people. this and you know building the metaphors for them and and then having them apply it and be like that was a win that like you because you can you can when we think about failing there's failing backwards which is I did not accomplish what I wanted failing forward is a different you can fail forward and have lessons and take from that and so really just hammering these different principles into people and having them practice it and seeing some pretty dramatic headspace has changed from it. That's super cool.

We'll link to that in the show notes. I'm definitely, I'm happy you brought it because I want to dive right into it. That's so rad, brother. It's been excellent having you here. When could people, if people are looking for coaching, they like what they hear on this podcast, please fucking run over. We'll link to your website in the show notes. What's the website?

It's Lazarus Method.com. Perfect. And we'll link to your socials in there. Is that best place for people to get? get a hold of you? Yep. Yeah. I'm working on getting some socials. We'll do some selfies. We'll get some picks and throw some on it. I'm doing my best to do it. I'm realizing social is the way you spread your message. But, you know, I'm old school 48 and it's still a little hard to do this, but I'm growing it. So hop on and it'll be worth it. They'll put some great content

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