Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #419 Connecting with the Earth: Iridology & Plant Medicine w/ Hayley Porter

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

The episode delves into Hayley Porters' background, her experience with iridology, which assesses health through the study of the iris, and her extensive knowledge of herbal medicine. Hayley shares her journey, starting from her early fascination with herbal teas to her rigorous seven-year apprenticeship. She discusses the impact of her childhood health issues, her transformation through natural remedies, and her commitment to sustainable practices. The discussion touches on the significance of the pupil's margin in iridology, the importance of connecting with the earth and plants, and the profound effects of plant medicine ceremonies. Hayley also highlights how she incorporates sustainability into her business, Earth Mother Medicinals, by using US-grown, beyond-organic ingredients and backyard compostable packaging. The episode emphasizes the holistic benefits of natural medicine, the interconnectedness of all life forms, and the vital role of mindfulness and environmental stewardship.   Connect with Hayley here: Instagram Website & Offerings   From Kyle: The Community is coming! Click here to learn more The Rising Retreat w/ Conor Milstein: https://www.therisingretreat.com/   Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM. Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU to claim your 15% discount. These are the b3 bands I was talking about. They are amazing, I highly recommend incorporating them into your movement practice.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Kyle-Kingsbury Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome to today's podcast. We have a very special episode with my girl, Haley, that I got to meet out somewhere in Mexico. Let me think of this. We were near Sayulito, Mexico, with a bioculture crew. Originally, this podcast was supposed to release much earlier when I released the podcast with Dakota Maze and Christian Van Camp. And of course, Troy Casey, who was the leader at the event there teaching us and ran a freaking awesome event with these guys.

But I got to meet Haley, who has a background in iridology, which is fantastic. is the study of the iris and what we can glean from that study in terms of how the body is acting from a health standpoint in real time really fascinating stuff deeply connected to chinese medicine and i've learned bits and pieces about it from time to time but never actually sat with an expert so it's very excited to get to meet her and get to dive deep with her on that she's also been an herbologist for decades has studied apprenticed under a fantastic mentor of her she lives in Boulder, Colorado. She grows all of her own plants and makes fantastic teas and uses this freaking biodegradable bags. She does all sorts of cool shit that's very next level,

very forward thinking. And it's deeply connected to the plant kingdom. I'm very, very impressed. I meet a lot of people that are, you know, familiar with plant medicine and things like that. And they're not necessarily grounded right here in reality. And Haley is absolutely grounded in reality. She's thought a lot of things through, you know, in terms of how can I create something that is both healing for humans, but not detrimental. to the environment. So this podcast was awesome. Share it and support our sponsors.

These guys make the show possible. Without further ado, welcome to the podcast. Haley Porter, welcome back to the podcast. This is the first time we will release something, but it is not our first show together. We were recording out in Mexico and with the bioculture guys. What a fun retreat. Troy Casey and the crew.

And it was awesome getting to know you out there and getting to receive some of your. medicine and some of your magic and intelligence and wisdom. So I'm happy to dive in all that today. As I mentioned before, I had an explosive protein bag actually blew up in my bag, and it covered my headgear. So that meant we had to go with wireless mics, and for whatever reason, those didn't record too well. So here we are. Try and get a better audio recording. Yay. Oh, no, explosive protein powder. At least it exploded in the bag and not in me, because that'd be the worst kind of explosive protein powder, right?

Thank you so much for having me on. I appreciate you immensely. Oh, it's my absolute pleasure. Something that I loved, and I talked about this a little bit before, was just what an amazing intro, you know, like I love Troy Casey. We're mutual friends. And Troy, the Certified HealthNuts, been somebody that I've followed for years. And, you know, like Liver King, someone we were just talking about, the Certified Health

Nut is a persona, right? it's a it's a it's a health caricature that has been created and it came to him in the amazon and it's been a beautiful thing to watch and Troy Troy is still Troy you know at heart and he's he's a heartfelt very loving person and you know what he had said about you about herbology and your wealth and knowledge just floored me I was like wow this is awesome I want to know Haley so I'd love for you to break down life growing up you know what got you so stoked on nature and tell me about some of these transformative parts of your life that led you to your education and led you to the Amazon and back to what you're doing today. I'd love to dive deep

with you. Thank you so much, Kyle. That's a sweet intro about a sweet intro. Yeah, I adore Troy Casey and it's really nice that the three of us share that connection of Amazon plant medicines and yeah, that energetic deep connection to the herbs and the respect for the herbs. Yes, buddy. You've got to figure it out. Baby mom that's working. I love you. Sorry about that.

That's okay. He was just lurking. Sometimes Wolf will creep in behind me and I'll see it in the, in the, I'll see the door slide open behind me. But my body blocks the video of like who's actually there and I have to turn around and she's just, she's just smiling and then the door will shut. So I get it. Yeah, but I love that we share that connection of deep reverence for the plants and that the plants are such great teachers, maybe even the greatest of teachers, you know. And yeah, Troy Casey is so wonderful. It's really nice to be able to support people like him and like yourself and your family, people that do have a deep reverence for the plants.

And my journey with plants just kind of came from God herself or God himself of like an impetus, beckoning forth from spirit to my conscious awareness without having any growing up of natural medicine or herbal medicine. And it was just a, yeah, an intuitive knowing and an intuitive path following that guided me to the plants. I remember just, you know, maybe I was 18 or something, and all of the sudden, I wanted to drink herbal tea. There was absolutely no reason. They just caught my eye at our local health food store, and I started experimenting with them. And since then, it's been a deep, deep, deep love. So herbs just came into my life, and when they came, they came strongly.

I'm manifested, I guess, or a teacher came to me that had a deep reverence for plants. She wrote this book called Herbs of Grace, that I bet your wife would love. It's a very feminine book, so it's, you know, more tailored to women. But my teacher, Farita Sharan, taught me everything that she knew and that she had studied. And I like to compare her to, like, the Paul Chek. You know, my teacher was not into exercise and, like, that physical, muscular construct and awareness. But she has, like, that same magnitude of magic that I think Paul Chek has. And that level of mastery and respect, kind of like the female.

like they would be like a good yin and yong male female masterful circle you know of of passing down their wisdom to us young folk you know and um growing up i was super sick i have a dad who's still pretty addicted to a lot of things and a mom who was super depressed and their relationship was not a good one you know i learned the hard way you know what healthy relationships don't look like And, yeah, I grew up on the standard American diet. And I grew up here in Colorado. And I grew up just in a suburb, you know, all white folk, no people with any colored skin other than bright white. And, yeah, there was a lot of, you know, kind of like lighthearted sex drugs, rock and roll and really strong processed food and government food and allopathic medicine.

And I was pretty sick as a child, but because my parents weren't super strong advocacy. kids for their children's well-being. I was never really taken to doctors. Thank goodness, actually, because I probably would have gotten the, you know, diagnoses and put on all the pharmaceutical drugs. So I just had pretty bad health. Depression, I tried to commit suicide twice. I had really intense anger problems. I had all sorts of health, skin, inside, outside issues. And, yeah, it was just sex drugs, rock and roll from an early age, nothing hardcore. And, yeah, like a clear addiction to processed chemical foods. And that's why I'm pretty hardcore with my son that I call them government foods.

We just don't mess around with government foods. You know, it's so normalized. It's such, you understand as a parent, like there's a level of grief that we can't just go out and have a good time, footloose, fancy free with our children without there being some awful chemical food pushed on them, you know? Poisoned, yeah. Yeah. Just poison. And so it's a pretty, you know, it's just a normal thing in our house that that's a government food. And we don't mess around with those, you know. But because that was a strong part of my childhood, was it a strong part of your childhood too? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I was sick. I mean, I remember getting put on antibiotics probably two to three times a year for maybe a decade. You know, anytime I would get I would get pretty nasty sinus stuff going on. They didn't take my tonsils out until later in my fight career, which I was happy to resist. But, I mean, ultimately, it gave me a better airway.

I'm always curious when they take something out, understanding more about Ayurvedic medicine and Chinese medicine, that, like, there's nothing without purpose. Like, an appendix matters, your tonsils matter. All these things matter. But, yeah, it's so much sinusitis. You know, it's always in the ear, nose, and throat doctor. And I'd get strep throat and everything would kind of emerge from longer illness. that didn't get better, you know, green gunk, that kind of stuff, a lot of allergies to different things. I didn't realize it was gluten intolerant. And then I realized I actually don't have a

gluten intolerance. I have a glyphosate intolerance. And sourdough, I do just fine on sourdough bread. My gut loves it. But yeah, it was a long path for me as well. I remember, you know, my strength coach when I first got in, he first introduced me to Paul Checks work and how to eat move and be healthy. And he said, you know, how do you eat? I think you have an intolerance. And I said, I eat totally healthy. And I started Liston Subway and a bunch of other shit that I thought was health food. And so it's funny, you know, how we grade ourselves. It's almost like every driver thinks that they're a better driver than they actually are.

You know, like I think people think they're eating healthier than they are even when they're not. You know, we don't know what we don't know. And I certainly didn't know until I clean stuff up. But continue, please. Yeah, that's why I have a really, really, when people work with me, have a really in-depth health intake form. because people will say oh yeah eat healthy but then they break it down and you're like yeah they get a lot of subway in there

or they're like I just have coffee sometimes and you're like well coffee sometimes could be three times a day to some people and it could be once a month to people you know I only Donald's it's kind of infrequently not too often but then that's like oh every day they didn't mean three times a day

they just met one time a day you know yeah it's funny it's funny how our brain tricks us into that lack of awareness and not shadow in a bad way, but that subconscious, unconscious parts of our brain that aren't even aware fully of what we're doing, you know? I think, yeah, you mentioned shadow. Shadow is a perfect word for that. And it's funny because it gets tossed around in spiritual communities, but shadow is

anything that is inherently not inside your purview, right? You mean, you can't see the thing, right? So I always find it funny when you talk about shadow work is like, there's definitely some tools that can get you to look at the parts of yourself, your ego is hiding from it. but diet is right up there you know like that is definitely in the shadow uh and i don't think it's nefarious i just think it's it's not in our purview we don't know if you don't know you don't know you know yeah yeah especially because it's often in habit mode for people you know and until we have that that light of our consciousness forcefully shown onto what we're eating through

you know a teacher or a plant medicine or a book or some kind of thing or we just slowly awaken the light of our consciousness to that shadow of what we're eating and not eating, you know, we're not really aware. And so thank God for the light of our consciousness to help us illuminate our cause and effect. And my teacher would say that that's, that's everything. Cause and effect is everything, you know, and that's karma, right? That's what karma means. Cause and effect, either short or long term, right? Yeah. Yeah, I can see why you got your, you know, had the cyanitis thing, because you're like me, I'm looking at your eye photos. So we both have that lymphatic sensitive type, that like lymphatic holding on the outside.

But you've done such good work to clear yours out. And I bet your body's doing just fine with your tonsils out. Yeah, I feel fantastic. Yeah, you have such a strong constitution. And you just take such good care of your body, your mind, and your spirit, you know, that you're fine without your tonsils. Your body's adapted. You know, like, yeah, we don't want to extirpate organs. We don't want to get rid of things.

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I never had any organs removed, I think, because, again, like, my parents just didn't care enough, you know, and which, yeah, is, I'm grateful for in a nutshell, right? and yeah I had a teacher that shook the shit out of me and she's intense and she I was young enough you know I was 18 when I met her really I was 17 and then started studying with her when I was just about 19 and studied with her as like a direct student teacher you know that's one of you can kind of get that sense of me that like that's one of my favorite relationships like I do really well with servitude and sava you know so that teacher student relationship especially with a woman, you know, it doesn't go so well with a man teacher and me, but with her as my teacher, that was wonderful. And I was like a direct disciple, so to speak, for seven years,

you know. And she was a master, is a master. She's 85 or 86 now. But she was the doctor of the Grateful Dead in the height of, you know, the Summer of Love and Jim Morrison. And she was the doctor in the 70s for the entire country of Iceland. And she was not a doctor in the alopal sense, but like the true natural medicine doctor sense. And, you know, she's started out by healing her self of breast cancer and learned the hard way, learned a great way about fasting and water therapies, hot and cold therapies and purification, but then also kind of learned the hard way of the importance of herbs and how they facilitate our body eliminating the unwanted things or the unnecessary parts in a way that's super holistic and super sustainable because when she was just

doing water fasting, fruit fasting, and hydrotherapy, her breast tumors actually came out of her breast and her armpit and it was this big dramatic experience, you know, and uncomfortable. And so she started learning more about herbs and how when we're healing and really purifying our body, the herbs come in and support that really more of a symbiotic relationship of of elimination and purification through their deep love of humanity. You know, herbs are just such a beautiful, a beautiful gift from the earth to us, you know. Yeah, and so I healed quickly pretty immediately. My voice changed.

My health was completely different. My body looked different. I no longer had anger. And I just studied everything that she taught me about healing diets, nutrition, natural cancer therapies, you know, cleaning out the bowels and enumas and colonics, foot reflexology, herbal medicine, flower essences, essential oils, and then, of course, Iridology. And when I came to my first aerodology class, I didn't even believe in it. I thought it was woo-woo. But I was I just took the class anyways, because I had to in order to get my whole diploma certification

with her. And it just quickly blew my mind. And I mean, you can tell him just like a devotee of irodology in the sense of like oh no it just is factual it's a part of our human design you know it makes sense and nobody could sway me in saying that it's quackery or anything it would be great you know if somebody came along that was financially capable and masculine because to prove that irodology is real i would love to prove it but i don't care to prove it you know i'm a mom and a woman and i you know that's not i'm not really into science but that would be great if one day we can prove its validity because it would be such a great tool for humanity because as you can see it's a you know i can't legally say it's a diagnostic

tool but it's in really solid quick effortless painless innocent simple assessment tool of everything in the body you know and you don't need fancy machinery you don't need anything but one eye to another eye you know yeah so i was pretty blown away by it too not just I mean, I was actually blown away when I got to sit with you and you sat with a group of us. And we went through that to my amazement, you know, I don't think I've ever looked at a zoomed-in eyeball. You know, and so when you said it's super psychedelic, look at the, when you zoom in on an eyeball, I was like, wow, it is the gateway to the soul. I mean, it's truly remarkable to look, even at one's self and at her own eyes. And I was first turned on to this because a number of students in the Czech Institute are into it.

too. So it was like, if these guys are into it, then not actually it makes a lot of sense. I want to check this out. But I'd never met, you know, a practitioner who like you was so deep into the practice. You know, I think when it comes to things like that, you don't want like a first year student, you know, I don't at least. Like I want somebody that's a master who's really dedicated themselves to it. And it was really fascinating, you know, when you broke me down and especially, you know, and we could talk about that too today. Some of the findings that you had just made perfect sense on,

for example, my irritability if I don't move within like every three days. And I walk every morning. So that's part of it, but that doesn't count. That's not the totality. You know, I need to sweat.

I need to work out. I need to move my body and exert myself. And that changes my entire constitution. Right? I'm a better dad because of it. I'm a better husband. I can withstand more negativity online. I can handle outrageous work weeks like the one I'm in right now.

As long as I'm feeding my adhering and checking that box for my body, everything else seems to fall into place. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I made my school, too, is I started watching it become a trend on Instagram in social media of like, oh, now people have read a book or they've watched a couple of YouTube videos and they're practicing aerodology. and then they were saying incorrect things, you know, or even if they were slightly correct, they were said in a super ignorant, non-compassionate way, you know? And so that's why I started my school and started training people. And it's a pretty hardcore certification.

Like it takes hundreds and hundreds of hours, you know. But like you said, this is it. We want to hear about this special thing that God gave us from a mouth and a heart and a brain that's paying attention to every word, you know, and saying it with good intention and accuracy because it's so valuable. And iridology is so accurate, like so many other good tools that we have. You know, we have human design. We have pulse. We have tongue diagnostics. We have face diagnostics. You know, there's just so many amazing tools that we've been given. And we want to, we really want to stand with good education and knowledge and wisdom so that the rest of the world can,

can give them credibility. You know, I often forget, because I'm in such a bubble. Like, I surround myself with people that are like, oh, yeah, ayahuasca and hybridology and birds and body, mind, spirit, that I forget that no, really most, like, we're like, what, one person? I don't know what that is. I don't know what the percentage is of people who are aware of an intuit, you know, body, mind, spirit connection, and who are not.

But then when I go on Instagram and I'm like, how many likes does Kim Kardashian have? I'm like, oh, wait, yeah, well, maybe the majority of the population does lean upon alopathic pharmaceutical drug industry because they, we haven't given enough credibility to the plants and these holistic, natural medicine things, you know, so the more that we can put that that credibility and that, you know, not, not ignorant way that we're speaking about it, the better that will be off for humanity, you know. Right. I think the main issue, you know,

if you look into the Rockefeller's purchase of American Medical Association and the hijacking of all natural medicines. And it was cool and crazy to find that out, but it also makes perfect sense. But, you know, anything that was considered natural remedies was pushed off to the side as woo-woo. Doctors had their license revoked. And this isn't just me.

I mean, there's plenty of documentaries in books where you can read DeVerve. this. It's not like I'm just guessing or, oh, I'm going to call out the Rockefellers for one more problem we have. But it, but it adds up, right? It checks out. It absolutely checks out. And then when you think of like, why couldn't, why couldn't we prove this as accurate or couldn't prove this scientifically? Like, I'm sure it is. I'm sure you can. I'm just thinking that as long as allopathic medicine is in charge with big pharma, big insurance, big hospitals, big everything, the odds of that happening are slim. But the fact that the internet's come along and

now we have this, you know, information age and attention age and, you know, the things that work, you know, the cream always rises to the top. I've loved that quote since I was a kid. I remember macho man saying it in pro wrestling. The cream rises to the top, yeah. And just thinking about that, you know, like the cream truly does rise to the top, whether that's effective use of plant medicines or affected, you know, tools that we have at our disposal. that really can speak to ways of understanding ourselves that go beyond something you'd learn. You know, it's certainly not in a doctor's office, but even from a book, right? Like I think I was blown away when you, when you read my eyes.

And we get let's talk about that while we're on here at some point. But it just made sense, you know, and I think I was just the same way, John Cole is one of my favorite favorite people. I'll link to his human design page in the show notes. It's metaphoric, metamorphic human design.com. but he did myself and then he did my wife's human design and i i looked at he hadn't met my wife and i look he'd known me but i looked at my wife well because i was sad on in a reading and like he knew more about her right than anyone more than her more than her mom like it was just like

fucking floored like holy shit dude they've never met before you know like he could have when it was just me like maybe he was able to draw some of this stuff off of my personality or whatever you know it's like i'll try to give a little bit of skepticism there but when he did her I was like, dude, we have to do our kids. And that has helped us immensely with understanding, you know, there's some things, for example, my son is a certain type connection point that makes him highly competitive. And it also draws other people around him, even if they're not competitive, to be competitive in his presence, in his field.

Oh, nice. And I was like, man, this kid's competing with me on everything. Who can pee the fastest? Who can pee the longest? Who can pee the longest? Who can brush their teeth? I'm like, this is. weird you know like i'm just playing along with it um but it's like that's not something i can coach

out of him that's not something i can parent away from him that's something that his soul incarnated with this go around and it's my job as a parent to help facilitate that in a good way right like where can we how can we learn to use competition in a good way where it is contributing to the good of all things and not harming others or coming at the cost and the expense of others and so setting up doors for him to walk through that will help his own growth and his own education in that way I think are super important. But yeah, I can't teach that way. It's just not going to go away. And I think that's something that's one of many things that we've drawn from our human design lessons that's like, wow, there is so much validity to this. And the fact that this guy can say these things

without ever having met the kids or met my wife, it's pretty remarkable. And I felt the same way, you know, as you were going through erudology is like how. would you know the way you explained about the working out? I was like, that just makes too much sense. It absolutely makes sense because I know not everybody's the same. I've been coaching people for years. And some people, it's a real hassle for them to want to work out, for them to want to move their bodies. And I'm like, I don't get it. If I don't move, I'm an asshole. Like, I feel it. I feel stuck. I feel like stagnant water. You know, I feel like something's just not moving. I got to move. And, you know, as I do that, and obviously I've had to learn.

over time and now being 43 that helps but learning how to scale that back so i can get you know scratch the itch but not overdo it that's been a big one coming out of football and then getting into mixed martial arts all of us overtrained all of us would come into fight sick or beat up or injured and it was kind of it's still kind of chronic in the sport um just because the the thought process if i'm not training my opponent is that kind of ideology is is not correct right so you could learn balance, that makes it, that goes a lot further, you know, when we, when we start to figure that out and what does balance mean for each of us, right? It's different for everyone. So let's break down, let's break down the Erdology. And then I want to hear some stories from

the Amazon and dive into the herbs. But let's break, while we're on Erdology, break down my eyes. And anyone else that comes to mind, any of their stories that come to mind, you can leave names out, but just give us some good threads here because I think this is a fascinating field. All right, guys, quick break to tell you about B3 bands. Three Sciences is a phenomenal company. I've had Dr. Mike to board on this podcast a handful of three times at least. I'm going to have them back on coming out. The reason for this is blood flow restriction has been studied for at least 20 to 30 years out in Japan.

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So in Iridology, we can tell everything. People always ask me, what can you see? And my short answer is everything because it's all physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, right? You understand, especially when we're in, you know, that deep meditative space, either with our own prana or with a plant medicine, we get that understanding that everything is connected. And especially within ourselves, the body, the physical and the emotional, they're one and the same. you know it's the whole area is gray it's not black and white it's easier for the human mind to say oh it's my shoulder but we can also say it's the emotional component of something in our shoulder so in the eyes we can see everything right we can see all of the physical body we can see the structure of that

individual's frame the bones and the muscles the joints the tendons the ligaments we can see and we can see the current state of everything so it's not we can see how it was when you were a child we can't predict the future, but the current state we can assess. So we can see all of the organs, including the glands. We can see the nervous system, which also then includes the mind and kind of like the chatter of the mind or the stories that the mind is playing out based upon the effects that it's having on the nervous system. We can see the current state of the lymph, the digestive system, the bowels. We can't see, you know, things about specific hormones. We can't see things about specific bacterial strains or parasites, but we can see,

you know, a good iridologist who's also trained in natural medicine. You know, that's like the perfect marriage right there in my experience. We can really see why things are the way that they are and the remedies for the things. And really a good iridologists will have a knack for putting themselves in that person's shoes. So like when I, you know, and I've drank enough ayahuasca that I understand that balance of boundaries you know there's a level that i can't can't put myself in somebody's shoes you know but there is a healthy level that brings us to this deep human level of compassion you know so it's not it's not a boundary that's crossed in a bad way you know with any stickiness it's only just a level of deep loving awareness you know and so when i look at an iris i i kind

of you know i've been studying the markings i've really the reason why i'm a good irodologist is i've studied every nook and cranny of my eyes and my body, mind, spirit. You know, I'm sure there's many other nooks and crannies I haven't explored, but, you know, I've really intentionally gone to the depths. And so I have this level of awareness of what each marking means and what it feels like, you know, either through my own experience with having that similar marking or through the thousands and thousands of people that I've worked with and hearing their story of how that marking feels to them, you know, in their body, mind, spirit. And so how I train my students is like really go in there and imagine what that feels like. And then from that deep level of loving compassion,

we can speak with a person, you know, and help them to find a remedy and a solution or even just awareness and presence, you know, for what they're experiencing. One thing that stands out about your eyes that I brought up, I think, to you when we were in Mexico, when we were in circle was you have such a stellar connection. And this is going to sound woo-woo, but that's all right. But you have such a stellar connection to like the depths of your soul and not only a stellar connection, but a stellar like honoring and alignment and yeah, alignment like coherence with your soul. And the way that we see that is around the pupil. There's a kind of an invisible margin that we call the pupillary margin where the

pupil meets the iris and if you guys have ever seen or kyle when you saw your baby's eyes that pupil when it meets the iris it almost is one in the same did you did you ever observe that in your babies or friends oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah super trippy and then you look at a grown-ups eyes and it's almost like pupil hard wall of china and then the iris and right and so the way that i see iridology And I'm certainly kind of like the most psychedelic iridologist right now. You know, there's like five of us that are kind of at the brink of the evolution of understanding iridology. You know, iridology, I like to tell people like, we're never not learning more.

And please take it further than what I know and what I'm sharing, you know. And so there's probably five of us that are at like the brink of the most awareness and education and studying of iridology. And I'm definitely the most far-fetched psychedelic. And they all tell me that, you know. But the way that I see it is that the pupil is a number of things. It's the black hole, like the bang of existence. It's God.

It's source. It's your highest self. And it's also the belly button. And because we emerge from the belly button, right? And we also know that when we look into somebody's pupil, we're like, we're looking into something, you know. Yes, we're looking into ourselves. yes we're looking into themselves yes we're looking into god and source and all of creation right there is that feeling you know either if it's with a wife or a husband or a friend or a child or

just a stranger you know there's that under or goldfish you know there's that understanding that like whoa hey hey self in there and so to me that's what the pupil represents and then the iris so the iris is does not include the white part that's the sclera the iris is just the colored part of the eye It's also a muscle, but so the, where the, the, the iris represents that individual. So that represents Haley and her life story, or Kyle and his individuality. So everything that's with inside your meat suit, you know. And so pupil is God self-source, highest self-existence, black hole, belly button. And then the, the iris is that individualized story.

And so technically then, from that mystical magical standpoint, the margin at which the pupil meets the iris might then tell us how connected are we to that sort. Right? And so when we look at an adult or somebody who's just fucking disconnected and frizz-frazzled, they actually have like a thick. And I could show you, I'll text you some pictures later, but they actually have like a thick margin. And sometimes it's jiggity, jaggedy.

And you look at it and you're like, whoa, what's happening? You know, and there is a literal disconnect. There's something or a lot of things that they're not doing that's not in alignment with their highest self with God, which with what they know that they're supposed to be doing or what they want to be doing. Sometimes people don't even know because they're so disconnected. They don't even know what they want to be doing, but they know they're not doing it, you know. And then we see an eyeball like yours, which is more close to what we see in a newborn, where it just looks nice. the pupil is like a nice circle it looks soft around the edges there's not that bridge there's not a gap there's not a wall between the self and the self the lowercase s self and the capital s self

right and and then when we look into the newborn's eyes or the infant's eyes it's you can literally cannot tell where the pupil stops and the iris begins right you cannot see see a margin. You cannot see a barrier, you know, because they're still fully source. I mean, you know when your babies were born, there's like a hot minute until they become themselves. They are fully, still connected, fully with source for a long time, you know. And ideally, we we want to preserve that. We want to preserve our connection. And we find that often people spend their lives once they turn their brain on in their light of their consciousness, they then spend their life trying to get back to that connection. However that looks for them, whatever

it is, singing or Bakhti or plant medicine or meditation or gardening or just being a husband, you know, they spend their time coming back into their God's self or their connection to spirit, you know? So that's what I noticed in your eyes. That's like what stands out the most because it's honestly more rare to see somebody who's connected in and paying attention, you know. That feels very good. I like that. It definitely resonates, I think, over, you know, all the journeys in the medicines have definitely reconnected me in a way where I, I mean, even I remember starting with them and just feeling like, oh, I'm curious and maybe we'll heal some stuff with mom.

and dad, you know? And then it's like, oh, I'm, I'm healing shit with me being comfortable with me, you know? I didn't realize it. You don't realize it until I'm in it. And I'm like, oh, man, I was drinking so much because I was not, I was uncomfortable in my own skin. Yeah. You know, and those are those are tough pills to swallow, but ultimately the best pills to swallow. Because then it's like, it feels pretty good to be me. I think I like this. You know, I can, I can just be me. I don't have to be anyone else. Yes. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. And then also, too, it's like the whole reason that we're here technically is to do what we're supposed to do. So get on with it.

You know what I mean? Like doing what we're supposed to be doing. Why are we? And that's the whole tricky part of the matrix or the system is it's clearly designed to make sure that we're distracted from doing what we're supposed to be doing to evolve. And then don't be an individual, right? Conform to the status quo. Get in line. Be like everyone else. Follow the rules. Don't ask questions it is 100% that you know so but yeah i mean i'm a mark gaffney has a great book called your unique self and something that he often talks about you know when he think of like uh the christ or the buddha that they they the buddha was the most sadarta he could become right he he he finished he became the highest version of himself possible but was still himself he didn't merge

back into oneness, he was Siddhartha. And Christ did the same. He was the most Yeshua, the most Jesus he could become. And that elevated him to a level that we call Christ. And I think that's a really inspiring thing because it is, however far off we are, it is something that becomes attainable for everyone. If we realize it's not my duty to become Jesus, it's not my duty to become Buddha. I just got to be the most me that I possibly can be. And therein lies the ascension. Hmm, that's beautiful. I love that. Thank you so much for sharing that. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, exactly that. And you're doing such a good job. And you know, you have room for growth like we all do, right? And so, you know, it's like encouragement that you're on the right path and keep going. You know, the, yeah, what we are seeking is seeking us for sure. I have that quote. The other thing I notice about your eyes is you have a super strong. constitution, which means, yes, you definitely require exercise. I mean, all people do, but

you require just moving your body often and your body will turn into like a stalactite and calcium will start to kind of harden in your body if you're not moving. But you feel that because of the more strong fiber structure that you have, but you also feel that like a sense of heaviness like I do if I don't move my body, like the cesspool, like the just the body of water because you have that lymphatic sensitive type. And those are the kind of the white beads around your eyes, the lymphatic toffee, we call it. And that just means that you were born for whatever reason, right, because of what your ancestors did and also what was done in your childhood. Your lymphatic system is just congested. It's like clogged pipes. And so we want to make sure

that we're not clogging them more and that we're facilitating them unclogging. And it takes a lot of effort You know, I've done a lot of cleansing and fasting and purification and the lymphatic tophi take a lot of scrubbing to show shifts in the eyes, which then tells me that, yeah, once they're clogged, it's kind of hard to unclog them all the way. But it's just, you know, we never, there's no such thing as a perfect iris either, so it's not like we have to change the markings in our eyes or change who we are. We just want to make best friends with them and support our body as it is. And that's why I love hybridology. It's not about anything other than not being ignorant and supporting your vulnerable parts so that you can release as much of your own self-imposed suffering as possible, right? And so when you have that lymphatic congestion, it's just extra fire under the, you know,

awareness that exercise is your best friend because if you don't exercise, right, the lymphatic system doesn't have a pump. We have to pump it. It's not like the blood. The lymph has to get pumped by us. moving our joints back and forth and jumping up and down, you know, like moving things around in order for it to pump. So it's just even more incentive-free to exercise. And then when we have the lymphatic toffee, we are the folks that are more sensitive to gluten and, you know,

especially crappy gluten and pasteurized dairy and just processed foods because those foods are mucous forming, you know, processed sugar, things like that. And so when we put them into our already kind of mucousy body, it makes us feel overburdened versus other people can eat processed dairy all day long and crappy gluten and processed sugar because their lymphatic system is mostly fine and the human body is super resilient, right? But if we already have the lymphatic toffee like you and I do, and I would wonder if maybe your kids have it. My son has it just like a little bit, you know? And so, yeah, we just want to avoid those foods because we don't want to overburden the already kind of overburdened system, right?

Yeah, I think my son does have some of that. You definitely, I mean, we have a really awesome raw milk farm that's down the street from us that has a jersey cows. So it's A2, A2KC, and the kids love it. There's no issues there. But if we go out to eat, you know, and they get like a cheeseburger that's grass-fed, grass-finished, but the French fries are cooked in seed oil. Like, that'll be congested for like two days, you know? And so it's a problem for certain.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So look in his eyes and see if on the peripheral edge, meaning like the outer edge of the circle of the iris, see if he has any little dots. And you have to get close, you know. And how old is your son again? He just turned 10. Oh, my gosh. She's older than I thought. So he holds, he can hold still. But yeah, and look in his eyes and see. Or you guys can send me pictures if you want, too. Cool. Hell yeah. Yeah, it's a little, you know, you can get kids to hold still. 10 is easier but yeah see if he has or send me pictures and we can see if he has those little beads like almost like a little mala around his eyes and then when we have those two we want to be taking we want to be having a lot of iron rich foods so you know animals or plants the chlorophyll is really good for the lymph and we want to have the herbs because the herbs are

so nutritionally dense that they purify the fluids and the systems and the organs of the body and that purification support is just super helpful. You know, when we have that lymphatic sensitive constitution type, we just can get a little sick, a little more easily than other folks. And so we just want to always be doing the preventative maintenance things, you know, to just keep our body balanced and well and strong. Yeah, I love the assistance. I think one of the things that had mentioned before in terms of the power of the plants

is when I fought, I was really into, you know, I wanted to figure out how to help my body detox and things like that. And, you know, I partied a bunch in college, too. So I know I hadn't taken good care of my liver or kidneys. But just for weight cuts, you know, I started looking in Dandelion root, over-ercy extract, things like that, and started making teas with it. And it would just help me flush. I could lose a gallon, not that this is healthy, but I could cut a gallon of water, eight pounds of water in an hour in a hot bath without some salt. And these teas on hand, you know, and I'm a bigger guy too. So I don't, I don't, I don't. know if that's a that's going to work for everyone but um it really was something where like i

not only the water just kept came off and i felt great and then that's something i've used with my wife too if she feels bloated uh around her moon or anything like that that allows her to just move through it and and feel clean and and supported and so i loved getting to try your detox tea i thought it was incredible it tastes phenomenal um that's also very special you know like sometimes the healthy stuff doesn't always taste good. So I was really, really impressed, you know, the fact that the detox tea tastes so good. And it was, you know, it made perfect sense that you had Dandelion Root and all these other superstars in there as well.

I didn't get the chance to tell you this, but Bear did get run down and I got a chance to try the herbobiotic with him and it smashed it in 48 hours. He was right back, right as rain. I kept him on it for a week, but he was good. He was golden in 48 hours. It was really cool to see that. That's awesome. Music to my ears.

Yeah, I mean, I made that teas taste good because, you know, we're trying to help the masses, you know, like I wanted them to be therapeutically effective so people understand that you don't need big pharma, like this shit actually works. You know, they are therapeutic formulas, but I also want them to taste good because there are some weirdos like us that enjoy the taste of ayahuasca, but the majority of people don't. They want it to taste like their sugar in it. You know, they taste like, yummy. They enjoy it. And my teacher always swore that, like, if you don't enjoy the taste of your medicines, you're not actually going to take them, you know. And so I wanted them to taste good.

And then also for children, you know, I have an almost seven-year-old and I need him to take the medicine. So I have peace of mind, you know. And so, yeah, he sure is, heck, is not going to drink something that taste yucky. So I'm glad that both of those worked for you guys. That's great. Well, let's talk a little bit about your time in the jungle because for me, you know, And it's, it doesn't always translate. I have to think that a number of my listeners are plant medicine experienced,

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if that's the problem is this guy smoking organic tobacco with 20 times the nicotine content and he looks perfectly healthy and I asked the translator I was like when did he start working with tobacco and she translated that he became a tobacero at five years old Cinco anos and I was like damn how old is he now can I ask him how old he is now and she said 95 and I made it repeat it twice my fucking mouth was on the floor he had been working with tobacco for 90 years it was his first medicine before he started working with Iowa And he was the picture perfect model of health. I mean, to the T, right?

I would love to age like this guy. And so like that, again, was like just a stamp, like in the ground. Like, okay, right, organic tobacco is not the problem. And then, of course, from there, you know, you think about these sister plants and the way they work together. Obviously, tobacco is always used in an indigenous setting with ayahuasca. I don't think it's ever not a part of the program or a part of their prayers. how many other ones? You know, there's literally thousands of combinations of different plant

medicines in the Amazon, most of which are not even psychoactive that have a profound benefit at curing cancer, healing all sorts of elements that we have from the West. And that whole pharmacopoeia that's been designed from Mother Nature, you know, Dennis McKenna talked about that this as a botanist, you know, that there is a concert that we are a note in. And when you think of that like the concerts playing around us and all of these things seem to have this beautiful play with each other right and this this all this information is here everything we need is has been provided for us from god spirit nature itself pachamama and um to have that awakening there you know is like holy shit what else is available this is amazing you know so i just want to preface that

if you haven't had that experience yet it is very real the plants are conscious then they have their own energetic signatures and their own abilities to heal in different ways. And many of them heal multiple things, right? They have the ability to impact us holistically. You know, they're adaptogenic. They work on more than one problem at the same time. And so I've been fascinated with this stuff for a very long time. Talk about your introduction with ayahuasca. And, you know, you mentioned your mentor who took you through and you got to apprentice with for seven years. but talk about, you know, how you work with plants now, some of the master plants that you're growing

and talk about the company that you started because I think it's a really cool, cool thing that you're doing. Thank you. Yeah, so as you were talking just now, I got my head cocked to one side and I'm staring at the mountain. I live in the Rocky Mountain National Forest, and my backyard is the Rocky Mountain National Forest. There's nobody behind it, just mountain line and bear and deer and things.

And right now I'm looking at times. of pine trees. I live in a pine wood forest, so that's mainly the only tree. And we've had a lot of rain now, and there's these epic, I mean, just like psychedelically indigo blue flowers. And we don't get flowers that many here because it's so high and dry, but they're these beautiful, bright indigo flowers and then these beautiful, tiny little sunflowers growing. And butterflies going around with flowers and bees. And it's exactly that. It's like, how can we take the time to see all that's been given to us. How many of us are stuck in this loop of when, when like sit down, be quiet and look at

all of this beauty and bounty that is here for us in this symbiotic cycle of life, you know, that's going all around us. The bees aren't complaining. They're just being bees and drinking the nectar and bringing it back. And it truly is all connected. And I have been to the Amazon twice. and I have been to the Sacred Valley. I used to live there, in fact.

It's where my son was born. And, you know, I used to be the chef for ayahuascaros that would come here to Colorado. And so I've sat in, like you, hundreds of ayahuasca ceremonies, you know. And that is a plant that she is, she is, she is the plant of many of all the plants, you know. and she's an amazing energy and she can help to steward our connection and reminding all of the listeners that like we don't always need ayahuasca we don't need to sit with somebody here in the states or a different country or go to the amazon we just need to also realize go lay on the earth and watch the bees and watch the flower and like sit and observe and you know i think actually the

first maybe, yeah, maybe one of my biggest kind of like psychedelic plant experiences was in my first herbal medicine class with my teacher. She had us go sit next to a plant in the wild. And we had to sit next to the plant. We had, we brought our journal and we had to talk to the plant inside and meditate with it and find out what it was and what it was good for. And so I learned herbal medicine from that perspective. I did not start with books. In fact, I probably know less about the scientific things of plants than maybe people might be comfortable with, but, you know, I still have tons of books and I resource them and I educate myself all the time, but I started with that more shamanic approach of connection of the plants. And that's how people found what

ayahuasca did. I mean, how do you know Ticumbana combine this amount of chakuna leaves with this amount of ayahuasca vine and boil it for this amount of period of time, you know, and drink it in this dose and it'll have this effect? You didn't trial and error it. You just sat and you were quiet and you listened and the plants told you because they love you. They do. I mean, if you go sit next to a plant or go lay on the earth, you are given all the love and all of the guidance that you could ever need, right? And the problem is, is that we are so busy and we have screens and we all have the capabilities that we have always had to be shamanically connected to the plants. It's just we're not quiet enough often, most of us. And so it's getting quiet. And there is all the excuses of the dishes,

of the laundry, of the money, of the whatever, to not be quiet. For the love of God, we have to be quiet, you know, and for physical, mental, emotional reasons, you know, and especially if we're dealing with some troubles, then all the more reason to get quiet, because it's pretty instantaneous, too, how quick the messages come through. Once we get quiet, especially when we're on the earth, you know, and so, like, even New York City Central Park, like, go laying on the grass there, there's still birds and bees and flowers and trees, you know. It doesn't have to be in the Rocky Mountain National Forest or the Virgin Amazon rainfall. forest, you know. Granted, those places are, you know, next level connection because there's

even more plants and more roots and not chemicals, you know. Yeah, there's a couple things you mentioned that are really important to me, where one, I never would have believed the statement you just made, never would have believed it had not been for sitting with ayahuasca. And even still, I have, I had reservations. So Dr. Will Tagle, who was a mentor of mine, who's, you know, transitioned from his body to the next place. He was a PhD in psychology and a PhD in physics and a true medicine man and Bearheart Williams was his indigenous elder who taught him, you know, a lot of these, these ancient know, and he told me, you know, late in his life before he passed away that he, you know,

he still sits with the medicines, but he doesn't, he doesn't intake them, right? He takes them in through spirit. And I was like, wait a minute, you're telling me that you have medicine experiences with peyote and ayahuasca, but you're just sitting next to the plant. and you don't eat it and he goes yes and i was like i was like all right man that gives me hope and he you know he had this deeper conversation that's actually in his book walking with bears around eco fields and you know you brought up um central park i had done a microdose with my old podcast manager uh in new york city of lsd and we were walking and i was trying to find central park and i mean we we it was not pleasant at all until we got to central park and then

holy shit the entire world changed we laid under a tree i climbed a tree and laid in it and i was like this is this is an oasis in a desert right in a modern main desert this is an oasis of energy right because it had its own eco field it held its own resonance even smack dab in the middle of the mecca of modern technology this thing held its own resonance and um you know before we had this farm i remember telling him how much i wanted to get land and and to be able to to plants, you know, all the plants and to be able to work with the animals and to tend the soil and to do all these things. And he said, you don't have to have that. I was on a tenth of an acre and he goes, start planting right now in your backyard. You will create your own eco field. And sure

enough, like we made a little oasis on a tenth of an acre in our backyard in Austin was we had bunch bamboo that grew 30 feet high to block out the other two-story houses and bananas and all sorts of stuff that came in at 15 feet tall and it just became a little mini jungle back there with plum trees and apple trees and the kids absolutely loved it and then i was like dude we could we could do that on a 10th of an acre like everyone can do this you can create your own eco field so i don't want to derail you but i mean it it 100% is true and and uh to wrap this part of the story i went on a walk with will dr will tagle and we finished you know the day he was telling me about this with where he had recently planted his peyote and he said he asked the

peyote i go how did you know what it liked you know i was curious about it's one medicine i haven't worked with and he said well they told me where to go and they said they wanted to be right here and i was like okay all right i'm with that and um i knelt next to them and just opened up the floodgates like it went zero to 60 i'm mid journey almost just dumping tears down and uh like i was i was in a state of like holy shit is this happening right now like it was almost like a like a release valve had been hit and just whoosh you know all this emotion came out and uh you know i got looked at that i knew i knew you know the the reasoning behind it and i could just have these answers immediately in the presence of the peyote and i was like holy shit like you're not you're not lying

right now like that's that's this is mind-blowing that these can work that way you know it's such a cool such a cool thing so i just want to give a little anecdotal uh evidence of the possibility and potential of these things that you're saying are not bad shit crazy they're 100% real and i've experienced it myself yeah i mean and that's just at the root pun intended because the roots of the plant the way that they connect with mother earth and and all of it that's just it's just the root of the understanding of how much love mama earth has for us you know if we can just remember that life would be so much easier you know when we when we first got to mexico i got there a day before everybody and I got to the ocean and I sat down on her beach and just sort of bawling hysterically

of how grateful I am for all that we have and all that we're given, you know. And I think if we can give that back to her, she gives us more, you know. She's just like, hey, don't forget how much I love you and I give you everything. And for us to just acknowledge that, step one is nectar for her and step two then giving back and making sure like you said we're tending to the soil like how we got to give back if it's prayers or song or tobacco or tending or you know just good thoughts and and really at this stage in my life the reason why i have the herbal medicine company is to give back to mother earth because once the plants tell you hey i love all of humanity and i'm here to help then you want to then help the plants on their mission, right? So it's not about me or my company. It's like,

no, the plants are here, consume the plants so the plants can remind you that this is the way. It's not the way with people who aren't connected and who are not taking care of the mother earth. Allopathic medicine, allopathic drugs, pharmaceutical drugs, they're not taking care of the earth. They're pimping out the earth, you know, and they're taking and destroying and taking and destroying. and that does not work, which is why humanity is where it is. And so we've got to speak loud, you know, once we know and once we've connected to what you're speaking about, like it actually becomes our duty to be loud in some capacity, even if it's loud and just loud in the internal world of conscious awareness of gratitude

for the earth and taking care of the earth, it doesn't have to be loud with our mouth, but like loud awareness of taking care of the earth, you know, it's got to be a part of so many of our missions if we're going to keep doing what we're doing here, you know? Yeah, it makes me think of the, I think it's Meister Eckhart, but you know how it is with quotes online and everybody gets, it's like probably a thousand Einstein quotes that aren't his, but I think Meister Eckhart said, preach the gospel wherever you go and only when necessary use words. Right. I was thinking like holding that frequency, right, that connection point to the earth and that connection to spirit and being the living embodiment of that,

everywhere you go you know that's the frequency that's the thing you hold that's who you become and only when necessary you know use the words to bring it forth yeah and then and then it's that frequency that bypasses the need for religious boundaries and hate and war right because what what you spoke about was the truth and the love which all religion no matter which one it is tries to encompass, but then it gets put into a boxed and then hate and discrimination happen. But if we can lead with what you just spoke about and what you're, you know, aligning with, then that's what allows us to bypass the need for argument and my way or your way and war, which is the root, you know, that separation is the root of war that we have experienced and are

experiencing, you know, so caring, making sure that we're all carrying that vibration. And if we're not carrying that vibration, then we need to get to that vibration of like, what is love, you know, and what is connection to the earth? Because we're all one on this earth, even though we forget that. We think we're separate because he said, she said, and, you know, the dramas. But we're all here on this earth, you know. Even the Dr. Bronner soap says all one or all none, you know. Bronners was also paying their employees $1,000 to take the jab. So as much as I love the all one or none slogan, I feel like they've kind of lost their way along the way. But that's just I don't want to derail our topic, but I do remember that.

I remember how things were. Talk a bit about your company. You guys are doing really cool things. You know, the bioculture guys have aligned themselves with awesome brands. And, you know, that was something I was really impressed with that you've thought so much through. And it's funny because somebody had commented. on the post that I did with, with Dakota, Dakota Mays, at Mays Yoga, you know, and they're like, oh, you're talking about plastic mats, but what about your drink? What about the plastic bag that

comes in, you know, and Dakota immediately writes back, it's backyard compostable. You know, so I really think about how much that stands out in my mind, the complete picture of what you're doing and what you're pushing and bringing to the world, how you have thought of all of it, you know, when it comes to what. what you leave behind. So I'd love for you to break that stuff down and talk about some of your favorite things that you guys offer.

Thank you. Yeah, so that's what ayahuasca taught me. I mean, when I was deep in communion with her often, she shook me into my core and she's like, who are you to teach and who are you to say that you can make things for people and, you know, take the earth's resources to make things for people. You know, she really broke me down, you know.

And so now when I create, it's from that space of like, what would ayahuasca say? like would she approve of what I'm doing literally if I were to sit right now and ask her would she slap me or would she be like good job you're doing you're doing a good job you know and so every avenue and I originally started this earth mother medicinal's business with a younger student of mine and she wanted to do it as like a brand and more of like a money making thing and you know there's a billion of those people that are like oh I have an Instagram following

and I want to make something to make money off of it. And then it's full of fucking plastic. And it's like, how are you claiming to help humanity when you're adding more pollution? You know, it doesn't work like that. And so, yeah, it was a non-negotiable of mine, even though she was like, oh, yeah, we can get cheaper this and cheaper that if we go this route.

You know, it's been a note. We don't use chat GPT. We're not using plastic. Everything needs to be reusable or backyard compostable. not just biodegradable, not just compostable, but backyard compostable. You know, it's actually greenwashing that if something is biodegradable or compostable, that still needs machinery to break it down versus the term biode backyard compostable can be actually composted, just throw it on the ground and it in the compost.

It doesn't need anything else other than the earth's processes. So those are my non-negotiables, and I am pretty hardcore about that. I even was going to hire a business manager recently. And she's like, well, you could just import this. from China. And I was like, nope, literally no. Don't ask me ever again because it's no. I don't care if it's going to be this money dollars cheaper. That's not no. Like literally no, we will not partake in doing what we know we know we're not supposed to be doing. You know, and so with our bags, oh, the company's actually in Austin. It's called Wild and Kind. And the bags are backyard

compostable. And I've called them. They think I'm so funny. But I'm like, talking about the ingredients that are used to make the bags are the U.S. grown. So all of the ingredients in the bags are U.S. grown, the corn, the beets, the seaweed, and then they're made into this biofilm. And by the company who, so there's like three people. There's the farmers, we're kind of like three stages. There's a farmer's growing the ingredients. There's a company that turns it into the kind of like the blank packaging and then

wild and kind prints on it. and it's all backyard compostable. Everything is sourced in the U.S. It was really important to me that nothing was outsourced outside of the U.S. for all the reasons. I mean, literally all the reasons. And then, you know, a few months ago, right, the tariffs happened. And, you know, I was getting emails from other herbal medicine companies saying,

hey, we're increasing our prices, hey, this and that, because it turns out we source everything from China, you know. And I don't have to raise this because it's all U.S. grown. And then all of the ingredients in everything is for sure U.S. grown, beyond organic, and all lab tested. So we get things that are tested from either the farmers or the companies, and then we also test them. So we pay extra for testing to make sure that there's literally no glyphosate, no chemicals, then also no mold and, you know, no funguses in the drying process. but we're so small scale and so local that we don't really have to worry too much about that because I'm either wild crafting the herbs here in my backyard or the manufacturer,

I put that in quote marks, aka my original herbal medicine teacher who lives just an hour and a half away. She's growing them on her farm. She's the one who just puts them in the packaging and heat seals them because I have too much cat hair and not a big enough house to hold, you know. So she has a fully certified herbal pharmacy that EPA comes and checks with Yale. You know, that's why we do the care of testing. Like a legal pharmacy.

And, yeah, so she grows the things on her farms. And then the other ingredients are sourced from a really beautiful farm here in southeastern Colorado. That's also permaculture focus that you would love. So the quality of the ingredients are top tier, the highest quality ever. And then the drying process, we always maintain. integrity, nothing's being baked or, you know, it's all very alive and fresh. And then on top of that, not only is the packaging top tier, the ingredients are top tier, but the formulations are top tier. And I think that's also, you know, there's a lot of things that sets our company

apart, but also the fact that everything's therapeutic. Like you said, the formulas work. They're not just like bougie, boutique blends that either look good or smell good or just says it's a detox tea or an herbal biotic, they're actually work. And that's my intention is to really prove to people that the plants not only work, but they work better and they work faster. They work better short term and long term for whatever we need them for that. People keep accidentally going to allopathic pharmaceutical drugs for. You know, and I have like my bone healing salve, I believe I said that to you, the pain relief staff that's good for broken bones and sprains and strains and strains. That's incredible. I've been using that. My son's been using

that too if he gets dinged up in jiu-jitsu and it's awesome to give it's thick enough to give a really good massage with to work that in so that's been really cool to be able to work with yeah i'll send you more for sure i just made a new batch too um but yeah so my intention is to make things that actually work too so that we can get people off the the pharma you know i have to be careful how i say that but i really mean it you know um and i'll have i have a sample pack that i'll be putting on my website too if people want to try like a you know a smaller size of like a couple you know a couple doses worth of all the things um and yeah everything is here i'm not outsourcing at anything so i'm you know my herbal medicine teacher does that manufacturing i do the formulating um we both do the the growing

and the sourcing and the you know quote unquote processing which just means you know picking and cutting and dehydrating gently um and i do the shipping and all of our shipping supplies are plastic-free. So we use an organic cotton U.S.-made shipping bag. I don't use any other shipping you know, like inside the box materials. I do use brown paper if I need to like wrap glass. And the boxes are just cardboard. So those are backyard compostable and the tape is backyard compostable as well. That's a U.S. company and our shipping inserts are backyard compostable as well. So cool. Yeah, it's important that ayahuasca doesn't shake her. give me the finger you know those are those are rough nights when you know you haven't done what you've

been asked yeah ask me how I know oh it's been so great having you on um tell give us the website and um I you know when I want to do the intro here I'll talk a little bit about you know some of my favorite things I've loved the castroil the packs that you make have made it super convenient um the detox tea is is easily one of my it's one of my go-toes and one of my favorites so um I hope you know people are listening to this and they enjoy our conversation that they'll visit your website and order some stuff. It is an incredible company doing great stuff from top to bottom for the earth, for us, for the plants.

So I just, I've appreciated getting to know you. And I'm stoked that this is the beginning of our friendship and relationship. So, yeah, let people know where they can find you online and where they can get some of this amazing product. Yeah. Thank you so much. That was so sweet. And let's set you up with a discount code. Do you want to pick a discount code so your people can get 10%?

KKP. We'll just do KKP. KKP. You guys enter that and you'll get 10% off. And so the herbal medicine website is earthmothermedicinals.com. And then you guys can all find me on Instagram, Iridology with Haley. And I've got a school website, school of aerodology, where if you want to study with me. And then I've got like a personal one-on-one if you just want to do like the client, patient, you know, one-on-one session. That website's understand thyself.com. And, yeah, anybody can always send me a message if they have questions.

And thank you so much, Kyle. I really appreciate this time together. Oh, it's been amazing. Thank you, Haley. How's your life been lately? It feels like mine is never ending. The constant juggling of responsibilities, the endless to-do list. It seems that it is impossible to live without overwhelming nowadays.

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