Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #420 The Last Book Written by a Human: The Balance of AI and Humanity w/ Jeff Burningham

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

In this episode, we have Jeff Burningham, author of a The Last Book Written by a Human. Jeff shares his intriguing background, growing up as a Mormon in Utah, and how his spiritual journey through plant medicines has reshaped his worldview. The discussion delves into Jeff's experience with psychedelics, his mission work and entrepreneurial ventures, and his attempt to run for governor. Jeff highlights the importance of human connection, embodiment, and nature in the digital age. The conversation also touches on the ethical implications of AI, the potential challenges of job displacement, disinformation, and human augmentation, emphasizing the need to imbue technology with wisdom, love, and grace. Ultimately, the episode underscores the central themes of spiritual awakening, human flourishing, and the transformative potential of AI.   Connect with Jeff here: Website Check out the book! Linkedin Instagram   From Kyle: The Community is coming! Click here to learn more The Rising Retreat w/ Conor Milstein: https://www.therisingretreat.com/   Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM. Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU to claim your 15% discount. These are the b3 bands I was talking about. They are amazing, I highly recommend incorporating them into your movement practice.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Kyle-Kingsbury Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site   If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome to today's episode. We've got Jeff Burningham. Jeff just wrote a book on AI, and it's a fantastic, fantastic book that's coming out here soon. I've had a chance to peek at it since. Since this podcast was done, it is out now. So you can get it. We'll link to it in the show notes for you to go purchase. What a cool, fascinating story.

Jeff's background is a Mormon, a guy from Utah, who blows his own spiritual understanding wide open through plant medicines and other vehicles that we talk about on the show quite often. And he just has a wonderful heart, you know, something I love. A lot of people, I'll talk about this on the podcast too. A lot of people go the psychedelic route and they want to become shaman or maestroes, they even change their name or they have a different persona come out of this thing because they're still searching for who they are. But you can tell when somebody's really found themselves in how heart-centered they are. And Jeff is absolutely heart-centered in the best way possible. Not in an airy,

a loose way, but in a grounded, connected way. And I loved having this conversation with Jeff. We'll definitely do it again in the future. Check his book out. Leave us a five-star reading with one or two ways the shows helped you out in life and support our sponsors. They make this show possible. All right, without further ado, Jeff Burningham.

Jeff, welcome to the podcast. Kyle, it's good to be here. This is awesome. I've been super stoked on your writing. and a lot of people that I love and appreciate are hype in your work, right? Greg McCown, who wrote Essentialism as one of the fundamental books that changed my life, changed the way that I work. It came at a time when I was in a corporate setting and I couldn't have needed it more.

And so I really love, and I also love how deep his book is. There's a lot of spiritual lessons and things that are kind of just woven into that. So when I saw that he was writing about your book and talking about how awesome it is, I was like, man, I've got to get a hold of this. This looks fantastic. Yeah, that's great. His work is awesome. Yeah, he's up there.

He's on these. I got, you know, he's on my one hand list of books for people to read that, you know, in terms of like how to shape your life, you know. He's a fantastic life. Well, I'd love to know, you know, as the general arc of the show, I told you before, I'd love to know what your life was like growing up, you know, like what started to shape you and mold you into the thought processes that you carry today. Yeah, it's a great question.

I grew up in Spokane, Washington, so in the Pacific Northwest. I'm the oldest of six kids. I grew up Latter-day Saint or Mormon. And that's both a blessing and a challenge, as you might understand. It's really nice, Kyle, to, like, come out of the womb and be handed a box with all the answers, with all the big answers. You've just got everything figured out, man. Like, check, check, check.

You know, that can feel good. grounding. That can feel safe. I had two loving parents that struggled in their marriage some. So that was certainly formative. But again, I had four little brothers, a little sister who was adopted, grew up in the beautiful Pacific Northwest. I love team sports. So I was a quarterback in high school, point guard, loved basketball immensely. That actually led to kind of my first entrepreneurial endeavor. It was a little carpet cleaning business. so that I could buy basketball shoes and travel to all these tournaments I was being invited to. So love team sports, grew up with great friends, grew up in the Pacific Northwest.

And yeah, I had a box with like all the answers. Now that's been deconstructed heavily as I'm 48 years old now. So as I've grown into middle age, that's changed quite a bit. But yeah, that was my early growing up as beautiful, beautiful. childhood not without its challenges and trauma but we all have that you know we all have challenges and and i did for sure i'd love for you to talk a little bit about how how you unpacked you know i've got a good friend who grew up um uh nick cori you know he grew up jehovah's witness and um stepping away from that and seeing things a little differently that without he said that was one of the most

challenging things of his life because he had a little girl and his parents refused to talk to her because of the way that that whole system works, you know? And it was like, who, man, that, that, that hits home. Um, definitely hits home, you know, and he's done a lot to process. But yeah, I'm curious, you know, like what, what, you know, like I've, I've got my own personal experiences, you know, I kind of got kicked out of church as a kid, got kicked out of, um, kicked out of, uh, Sunday school for asking too many questions and then, um, got into plant medicines during my fight career. And I was like, whoa, this is what they're talking about in the east. This is what they're talking about.

Like, this is the non-dual reality I've stumbled upon. This is what the Native Americans were talking about with animism. Like, the thing animating me is in the trees. It's in the wind. It's in all things. So, yeah, I'd love you to break down that process. Yeah, I served a mission for my church. You've seen those guys in white shirts and ties riding their bikes all around.

I served in Charlotte, North Carolina, which is a really interesting experience, a great experience. I talk to preachers and pastors every day. So I was challenged in the Bible every single day of my mission. I loved it. I worked with inner city drug dealers. I worked with, you know, in trailer parks with backwoods folks that confess their faith in Jesus. And it was formative. It was transformative.

What I recognized is whether you're in the inner city, whether you're wealthy or poor, whether you're, you know, wherever you're at, there is always more that unites us than divides us. And I think that's a critical message to hear right now. We live in a terribly divisive world, of course. There are media companies and other companies that are heavily incentivized to divide us as humans. But that's not really true, as you know. In fact, it's the opposite of true. I mean, there's Kyle right there with his tats.

biceps. I wish I had some more of those. Jeff's right over here. But as you know, we're really one. Although we appear as two different forms right now, we're really one. And I started to recognize that on my mission. And again, while I didn't love and necessarily get into, I'll say the salesman aspect of that. I love serving people. Two of my sons have served missions, their return missionaries. And I told them, go serve and love people, period. Don't worry about selling anything. You just love people and you serve them. And so I did that from 19 to 21. What a great kind of avenue of service. When you're so focused on yourself to be focused on other people, it was outstanding but again it you know it caused some trepidation came home went to b yu and met my wife

actually at the mtc which is the missionary training center it's where the thousands of missionaries go to be trained before they go out into the world to preach the gospel and i and my background past that i'm a serial entrepreneur so i spent certainly the first half of my career building fast growing companies. So I started a tech company as an undergrad at BYU. I sold that to a NASDAQ listed firm in my mid-20s, then built a large real estate business during the Great Recession. Talk about that if you wanted. And then spun back to tech and opened the first venture funds along the fast-growing tech corridor in Utah. It's called the Silicon Slopes. And was the first investor in most of the up-and-coming tech companies here in Utah. It was a great ride, fantastic. But in 20, I'd say 2017, 18, 19,

I felt something stirring, you know, like deep within me. I was being called deeper. I'd say, like if you go to my book, I talk about the river. It starts at the river Ganges. And I was being called deeper into the river. And in Varanasi, India, is where they, Ganges where I was. I was looking at this scene, this large crematorium on the left, where literally bodies were being brought on wood pallets with just a sheet over them. They were being lit on fire for everyone to see. And just a couple of hours later, that physical body was ash, mere ash swept into the

Ganges, flowing down into right in front of me, were. people being baptized, you know, reborn, let's say, in these ashes of death. And then further to the right, people were doing the laundry, the most mundane task of daily life that we all have to do, the laundry. And as I sat there, this was in 2017, my wife, Sally and I sat there, there was something so familiar about the scene, although it was so different than the way I grew up in the western United States and, you know, what I learned growing up. There was something about this life, death, rebirth cycle that just pierced like my soul deeply. I just sat there mesmerized for an hour or two watching this scene. And it occurred to me,

this is the existence that we're all living. You know, it's life, death, rebirth. That happens in micro moments. The breath mimics that. Every breath mimics that. And that happens on a much more macro and broader scale. So later on that trip we were in Tibet, and I was woken up early one morning, like 2 a.m. You know those early wake-up calls like where God, the universe starts saying, hey, Kyle. You know, it said, hey, Jeff, you're a writer.

And I was like, I am not. writer. I mean, no, Jeff, you need to write. And I, you know, I said, I'm running a multi-billion dollar private equity firm. I'm investing $100 million or so into tech companies. I was on like 20 boards, father of four, spiritual leader in my faith, my Mormon religion. And it just wouldn't leave me alone. So I got up and started tapping on the computer quietly. Sally was asleep in the bed. And I didn't know what I was writing. I didn't know what I was doing. Anyways, I come home, get back busy. What I would say kind of got lured into deeper waters. My subconscious was, I think, kind of trying to take me off the stage. So I ran for governor in the state of Utah

in 2020. Felt really compelled. I announced in 2019, spent the whole year of 2019 getting ready, launched September of 2019 had no political background or experience necessarily jumped into the deep end felt called to do that was really excited we had great momentum going into what I would kind of call the fourth quarter of the race which was Q1 and Q2 of 2020

and you know what happened there the pandemic wiped it out wiped us all out and one of the you know it impacted all of us in so many ways but the way it impacted me is i was grounded to this home office that you see here talking into the back of my iPhone to i didn't know if it was five people or five thousand people you know sharing my ideas but i was a political outsider running against two very well-known politicians including you may remember John Huntsman Jr.

He ran for president in, I think it was 2012. He was the former governor of Utah. So running against John, there was no way that I was going to win in that kind of disruptive pandemic. And I lost very public defeat, you know, lost into the summer of COVID 2020. And for the first time, Kyle, I had, in my adult life, I had space and time. And I always say that with time and space, anything can be created. And I was being recreated.

I was being reconstructed. I was able to go inside. And that changed everything for me. I became a daily meditator and was able to look inside. And anyways, what's come out of that now is this book. I'm an author. I'm writing a book that's the last book written by a human is the name of the book. It's about humanity and AI.

It launches August 19th, distributed by Simon & Schuster. And so this is a completely like cosmic process that I've been through. I'm happy to talk about any part of it that might be interesting to you or your listeners. But that's kind of the long arc, I'd say, of my life, really kind of addicted, let's say, to doing, to client. I mean my little mountain of success, if you know what I'm saying, and then getting to the top and realizing, oh, oh shit, there's nothing up here. There's nothing different up here. All right, guys, quick break to tell you about what I've been up to. This year has been a year of transition for me with a fit for service making huge changes. I've been working to create

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your inner compass and discover the freedom health and sovereignty that await embrace the journey to excellence because we are what we repeatedly do if that interests you peep the link in the show notes for the community and we will get you guys locked in all right back to the podcast i say in the book i think there's nothing but a cold howling wind so we'll where do you go from the top? I mean, these are only one place to go. Back down, down through the valley of the shadow of death that we all need to appreciate and go through in our own heroic journey. And that's where I've been thrust for the last couple years. So I really see that defeat in the governor's race as a major blessing in disguise. It allowed me to reset my

life. I hired CEOs for all my companies. I was able to step off the boards I was on. and then I lost, but my subconscious was like taking me off the stage, was like luring me into deeper waters. And those are the waters I've been swimming in, I'd say, for the last five years since the governor's race. It's been a fun journey, destabilizing, terrifying, fun. You can, you understand all those things. Yeah, that's incredible.

And how fortunate that you were able to transition in the way that you did. You know, I know a lot of people, the midlife crisis, right? Midlife crisis comes when somebody reaches a certain degree of success, gold medal syndrome. You know, an Olympian wins a gold medal. And it's like, well, now what? You know, I did the thing I was trying to do my whole life. And where the fuck do I go from here? So I think about things like that.

And, you know, I had Dr. Mark Gober on the podcast, who was a Princeton upper grader and like, like, higher or graduated with honors kind of guy. And, you know, similar story, did everything he could there. gotten the hedge funds did great, moved to SF, got into startups and Silicon Valley stuff did great. And he was introduced to a guy named Adjishanti, who helped him with meditation and finding like the non-dual state of reality. How are you able to grapple or find meditation so rapidly? You know, did you have help? What kind of styles did you use? It took me painful years, I'm trying to sit quietly until I finally got it with Emily Fletcher. And then now I've got a great

friend Michael Holt, who trained with Shinjin, and Shenzhen is just an, you know, amazing philosopher, but like he does, got a meditations for me that take me out of my body. And I wish the world had like this as a part of their toolbox. But it does take a lot of trial and error, and it does take, you know, it takes an effort and a lack of effort, you know, like you have to, you've got to be in the thing to say, all right, I'm doing this, and then you've got to let go and allow it to happen. But I'd love to hear about that path, you know, you have the time. Now, what helped to facilitate your ability to meditate?

Yeah, that's a great question. I think that going back even a decade, about 10 years or so, when I was in the midst of my busyness, as busy as I could absolutely be, for some reason, I decided to add MBA to my resume. I went back to get my MBA, which was so stupid. It was a great experience, but I did that on nights and weekends. And I tell the story in the book about, I'm in some leadership class in my MBA class, and the professor says, okay, I want all of you to think of the most highly motivating

things to you right now. Like, what is really exciting you about life? And I tried to go inside and I just almost couldn't. It was almost like a block. I had turned myself into what a human doing. I was addicted to doing and I had lost my being. And see, I think that story is critical for humanity in the age of AI. When machines are able to do so much more than we have been able to

or so much that we have done, even better and faster and cheaper than we can, what are we left with? we're left to be so i kept trying to go inside that night i sat fully blank and empty my classmates start typing i've always been a big dreamer i've always had big plans obviously and i couldn't see anything finally two things came to me neither of which i'm proud of neither of which like represent me but this is how depleted i was um here was the two scenes. One, as a kid of the 80s and 90s, maybe like yourself, you know, one vision was like this mashup. It was like a mashup between yo MTV raps and cribs. It was like a bad ass party,

beautiful women, very little clothing, illicit substances to take us all far, far and way. Now, Kyle, you know Mormons. I had never tasted even tea or coffee. coffee at this point, let alone alcohol or any of this white powder I saw in my like dream. I'm like, what in the hell is going on? You know, where's this coming from? I wanted to be free. I wanted to escape. I had become so over programmed and so addicted to my doing that I was searching for a release.

But the second vision that came to me was even more startling. And honestly, it sent me to my first ever therapist, who I've stayed with and love and revere. But I saw myself pick up my laptop, quietly close my laptop, put it in my bag, drive to the Salt Lake City Airport, which is just like 15 minutes down the road, and buy a one-way ticket to the furthest imaginable place and just disappear. leave my soulmate, Sally, my four beautiful children, my business partners, all the employees, the financial empire that I was kind of building, and just leaving it all behind. And that scared me to death, that's what was motivating me. So the point is, after that, went and saw a therapist, I had realized I am way, I have way too much on my plate. So I started doing yoga, starting meditating, doing hot and cold therapy.

And then I got really serious about that kind of in 2020. Thomas McConkey is a good friend of mine. He has a very interesting background as a Latter-day Saint as a Mormon, but has studied Buddhism for a decade, has been to the Harvard Divinity School. And I went to a seven-day silent retreat with him and that was transformative. And I think interesting to you, so when I lost into COVID, into that 2020 summer, I started jumping back in to the 18 months of tech news that I had missed. That's an eternity and technology, as you know. And I'd been busy running a statewide campaign and having events and just, you know,

running for office and I started doing a lot of research and obviously the technology that was most interesting I thought was AI not only for investing of course but for the spiritual implications of what I saw coming with AI but another thing that kept coming up was psychedelics I kept seeing like psychedelic investments being made by venture funds and firms angel investors it was very, you know, apparent that it could, these medicines, these plant medicines could be helpful in terms of the global mental health crisis that we were running into in 2020. And I did research on that for about a year, a full year, again, because I had never, you know, tasted tea or coffee, let alone, you know, a magic mushroom or whatever was coming.

And after doing research on that for about a full year, I just felt, I don't know what your experience has been. I'd love to hear more. And I'd love to hear how you felt. I just felt the best way for me to say as a Mormon, I felt commanded to eat a mushroom. Like I held it off like as long as I possibly could. Finally, I text message, you know, I live in Provo, Utah. like it's 97% Mormon around I didn't even know who to talk to so I texted one of my best buddies growing up we played football and basketball together and I said hey Dave if I come up I have a lake place on Lake Kordelaan I love that place grew up in the Pacific Northwest said hey Dave if I come up to my lake place will you eat a match a mushroom with me and he he's like Jeff what are you I'm

driving and I almost got in a car wreck. I had to pull to the side of the road. What are you talking about? Because I was the designated driver for the first, you know, 43 years of my life. He knows this. And I just said, man, I don't know. I just feel a spiritual call. I'll be honest. The way that I felt, Kyle, it's very personal, but I felt damned, meaning like stuck, stuck if I did not do this. So anyways, eventually I am. ended up, we could talk about that experience if you wanted to. I've done some wise experimentation with psychedelics, plant medicine, and it's obviously opened up my entire worldview. You're left with this idea, like you said, of non-duality, of the illusion of separateness. When that fades

away, when the veil falls, you're left with a real understanding of, you're left with a real understanding of what a deeper understanding of what we're wrestling with here. And, you know, that's taken me into these deeper waters, taking me into this book and something that I think is important as we go forward into the future. We need to be embodied. We have physical bodies. AI does not have that.

We need to be embodied. More heart, more body, less mind will serve us well in the age of AI. Anyways, there's some of the story. Yeah, that's fantastic. And yeah, to your point, I mean, less mind is kind of the route, I think, that we're all on, hopefully. I mean, for me, fixing my brain after fighting was like paramount. All right, neutropics, what works? You know, Dave Asprey's talking about O'Dafinil.

All right, that locks me in, you know, these kind of things. But my boxing coach actually got me into plant medicines. He was an Aztec and Mexican mixed mestizo, and we'd go out to the Native American Reservation for Sweat Lodge and things like that. eventually he got me into working with psilocybin and then eventually ayahuasca and um you know those first journeys were so powerful because i was asking the big questions you know nature of reality what those kind of things uh you know viscerally seeing things reincarnate watching it being shown through the seasons you know like spring is is birth summer is life fall is death winter is pause like being able to like witness that uh we've got a regenerative farm now here with permaculture

And it's like, I am so enmeshed in that when you told the story in the Ganges. Like, I see this all the time. We'll see a stillborn lamb born that looks perfectly healthy. And it's like, whew, like you just, there's no separation from it, right? Like, it's in your face every day. Sometimes the coyotes get to something that's a bit dehydrated in our summers. Our summers are like winters in most places. And then other times, you know, like there's just a ton of new lambs.

There's babies everywhere calling for their mom. And it's just nothing but fertility and awesomeness. but yeah that that connection to those to the to the cycles of time to the cyclical nature of our reality is the thing is ever present and um i was very blessed to have you know a medicine man as a boxing coach you know like i literally just fell in my lap so i feel incredibly blessed to have had that experience i've seen a lot of people who don't have the right guidance go through these experiences and and um you know something pops or they got one foot in the astral permanently you know one foot's here one's foot's gone

But when they work, when it's done right, there's nothing like it, as you know. There is absolutely nothing like it. There's no greater teacher. You've spoken a lot about human being instead of human doing, right? And I think, you know, as we approach AI, that's a critical piece. I think art is an critical piece, right? Like, it's cool to see, like, the 3D graphics come up in two seconds on chat, GBT. But you look at like Alex and Alison Gray's work at the Chapel of Sacred Mears or anybody else, for that matter, you know, that's really tapped in.

And it's like, there's something that we can give. And not just art through painting, but art through photography, through story, art through podcasts, art through books, art through song and music, and art through dance. And all the ways that we can be artists, I think there is a calling for that as well. And part of that first implies the human being part, right? Like we have to center ourselves to get out of our mind and into our heart. And from that point, we have access, right? The muse comes on board.

And we have access to this deep. knowing where we can create art in the world. Amen. Like I think that, you know, the book, my book, the last book written by human is really a bull case for AI, like what AI could be for humanity. And I argue in the book that it's a cosmic mirror. It's like a reflection. In fact, the first, the forward, the only part of the book that was written with AI is

the forward, which was written by ChatGPT. and it talks about how AI is a mirror to humanity. And as you know, like a mirror holds no malice. A mirror just reflects what is there. And so as we look into the cosmic mirror that we are creating, that we're, I'm saying quote unquote, discovering, I'd say rediscovering or remembering again, what do we see?

It gives us an opportunity to reflect and transform, ourselves and become more human to lean into the beauty that is humanity. And that the point is that beauty is art, man. That is art in all its forms. I think that everyone's an artist in their own way, shape, and form. I know most people would say, like, I'm not an artist. You know, I thought of myself for the first 40 plus years of my life. I'm not an artist.

I totally view this book that I wrote as my, you know, sacred offering to the divine. It's my little piece of art in my voice and in my way. You know, I'm not saying it's any sort of masterpiece, but I will tell you, Kyle, I sweat and bled and teared into this thing. And the point, that's what all good art is. It's something that you said comes much less from our mind and more from our heart. And that's why it resonates. When you see a beautiful piece of art, it resonates with something deeply inside of you. Obviously, one of the awesome things about AI is it takes over more of the doing.

It gives us time to be. But the question for us humans is, what would we fill that time with? You know, will we fill it with doom scrolling and Doritos? I'm making, you know, stuff up. Or will we lean into our own heroic. journey even further. Will we lean into our own divine unity even further? Will we lean into the art that is locked inside of us ready to come out? I think we can do that. I think we will do that. And that's kind of the plea or one of the pleas and calls from the book.

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paper clips, right? And if it didn't have checks and balances, it would continue to mine metals and make paper clips until like the whole world was just left as paper clips. Yeah. He would mine itself until it was just paper clips. And it's like, all right, that's one problem. I don't think it's highly likely, but it clearly, it's. illustrate something. I think the bigger things, you know, there's a couple things that are on the

horizon that are definitely there. One of the bigger things is job loss, right? But this is what you're speaking to. And we've had job loss. Every technological advancement in times previous has led to job loss, which also leads to the creation of new jobs. You know, I'm talking to my son right now is just turned 10. And I'm like, I can tell you what I think about, you know, work in the future. But if I'm going to name things, that's probably incorrect. right because when i was your age podcasting didn't exist right i i couldn't i couldn't share with people my life experience as a fighter and learning how to meditate and all the different things that i've gathered from a health and wellness standpoint i couldn't make that my own career it didn't exist right

i'd have to go work for somebody else i'd be a trainer at 24 hour fitness or you know i didn't have this direct line of communication with people the way that i do now and so there are things that we can't tell that are going to be available obviously we have the loss of the these things, but what's coming, we have no idea. And speaking to that, I was just laughing, you know, they talk about when AI becomes super intelligent that the rate of its learning is somewhere between like 24,000 and 36,000 years every 24 hours. Right. So if you consider that, if you just consider it, right, there's no way to understand what that looks like. It's basically like a dog trying to understand human consciousness. The dog is incapable of understanding

human consciousness the way we are incapable of understanding something that learns at that rate, right? I don't know if you saw the movie her. Do you see the movie her? Yeah. Yeah. Right. And my wife didn't like it. She thought it was boring. But I was like, this makes perfect stage. She's like, well, guy, guys shouldn't fall in love with AI in the first place. I'm like, listen, Scarlett Johansson, give him some credit. But, but, you know, there's a point where like the AI wouldn't have any reason to communicate with us. It'd be like me trying to have like a lifelong conversation with my dog. My dog's great. I love him. He's great for a lot of things. Like, he's a part of our family.

But I'm not going to have deep conversations with him, right? Because it's a one-way street. And it made sense to me that AI would leave and find a different consciousness to interface with, you know, something else that exists, you know, in the non-dual nature of things. Well, I think you bring up several good points there. The first one being the paperclip thing. I mean, this is what's different about AI than any other technology that we've created is it's agentic nature. its ability to become an agent unto itself. And so that if we feed it with just, hey, create as many paper clips, yeah, where will that

stop? It can, it will and can become an agent unto itself. That's why I think it's critical that we infuse AI with awareness, with love, with kind of the true understanding of the human condition and kind of where we want to go, which I don't think is more division more hate it it's we need to understand ourselves better we want to return to ourselves we want to understand this i'll say illusion of reality that we've stepped into more clearly and once we do how do we number one reform ourselves and then number two reform our institutions the book follows like the typical technological disruption cycle which by the

the way, Kyle, you'll recognize as like the human spiritual disruption or awakening cycle, which is a season of disruption, a season of reflection, then transformation, and then finally evolution. And so we talk about personal disruption and reflection at first, and then the book flows into reforming religion. I have a big chapter about politics. It's called a vote for humanity. I talk about conscious capitalism. And so I think that AI empowers us to solve problems that have vexed us for centuries if we use it wisely. I think the question for us as humans is like, why is this here? Why is it here now? And what purpose is it meant to shape our evolution, our human evolution. And how do we do that wisely and for human flourishing

rather than further human destruction? And that's a, that's like, that's a big question. That's not easy. I'm not saying that like this is going to be easy. But death is never easy. Either is rebirth. We were built for hard things. I think humans rise to the challenge that's before us. And the call of the book is certainly for us to rise with awareness, to lean into both our individual heroic journey and what I see as the collective heroic journey in our evolution to become. And let me just say, and you may agree with this or not, we've done this before. This is all like sounding familiar. You know, it's like the history doesn't repeat itself, but it like rhymes like it sounds and feels familiar this book this path that i'm on the the human

collective path this feels familiar to me you know there's like a substance to this so i think we have this in us to do it it's our destiny is calling it's time to step up and it's an exciting time to be alive it's also scary obviously it's not boring though that's something no it's fun When I'm making my prayers at night, I'm like, thank you for making life so interesting. Thank you for the time on earth. Thank you for our existence. There's never a dull moment, not if you're paying attention. Are you familiar with Sri Yuc de Swar's concept of the Yuga's?

I'm not. Basically, you know, the great year, the 26,000, 25,900 and so on years. You know, there's great year as we move through all phases of the horoscope. and that, you know, the cyclical nature of time, you know, and that humanity's been around for several of these great years. And if you look at things like, you know, what they're, you know, these, these temples are finding in India buried in the ground that have all kinds of sacred geometry and the mathematics behind it

is absolutely mind-blowing. It's down, detailed down to like the efficiency of a modern airplane, right? Like that level of skill set in rocks that we, you know, we have nothing right now that could do. that, not laser engraving or anything. But I think about those things. I think about the past is as, you know, for sure we've been here before. For sure, we've had likely higher levels of consciousness, likely higher levels of technology. And that, you know, as you go around this thing, there's a golden age, then there's, you know, the descending cycle and the ascending cycle. So

if you think of a clock from 12 to 3, we're descending back down. Then we've got the silver age, The golden age is full access, full remembrance. Silver age is the mental phase, right, where we have incredible intelligence. Bronze age is the energy age, and then there's the dark age, the Iron Age. Right. And in that, you know, we can see kind of where have we been. What is the potential of humanity in our darkness, right? Those memories are very real and still, we can still connect to those things.

I was listening to the Wrath of the Khan series from Dan Carlin, you know. like I can talk about this because it's far enough away from people that we're not like there's no energetic charge connected to to that, to Gingas Khan, but like this, this is how it went down, right? And so I think, you know, when we bear witness to that, we can see the great potential for our ugliness and the darkness there. But at the same time, you know, if we remember when the Vedas were written, you know, the Rig Veda 6,000, 8,000 years ago, depending when we see, you know, some of these structures, Gobeckley-Tepi is 30,000 years old, and Turkey, you know, that Graham Hancock's uncovering. It's like, well, we weren't just hunter

gatherers then. Let's let's let's let go without shit right now, right? Let's let's try to understand that. There's a great, there's a great line in Dune in the book series where they say in the new Bible, man shall not make machine in man's image. And I was like, whoa, boy. Oh, man. Yeah. That's what we're doing with AI. Like, yeah. Yeah, I tell this, I tell this bedtime story. in the book. It's kind of like what, you know, Sally and I, we have four kids. We told them stories before they went to bed all growing up. You probably did the same with your kids. You're still in that precious phase, which makes me jealous. Like my kids are a little bit older now, but I talk about the all-seeing eye in the sky. And this is a metaphor for who we are and what we are.

And that all-seeing eye searches the cosmos every corner. And there's a little bit of the sky. And there's nothing but itself. And it realizes eventually after searching, it has a problem. Like all eyes have a problem, which is they can't see themselves without some sort of reflection. So this is an all powerful, all seen eye that decides to shatter itself like a cosmic mirror into pieces, limit its ability, cause itself to forget. and then reflect back to itself what it really is.

And in that reflection, it was one, now it's many. It was one. It understood love, but now it understands it from such a greater perspective because it's many. Anyways, the point of that is to say that now I think we're kind of mimicking, let's say, what happened in heaven, I'll say in quotes. here on earth. We are creating AI in the image of man, or we will be. I mean, that's where we're headed. And again, we're kind of bringing the ethics of heaven, let's almost say, down to earth. And again, I think this will cause a profound reflection. And I'm not, it's just starting now.

Like, we're just starting. I think over the coming decades, this will cause what I would see as a renaissance and consciousness in mankind like i god is waking up like we are waking up to the reality of one who we really are and two what really is what it really means to be an eternal being what it means to have done every single thing you could ever imagine that you ever wanted to try and then oh we still have eternity to go What do we do now? Like, you know, what do we do now? How do we continue to progress?

And so anyways, this, this AI as a cosmic reflection to humanity is analogous to this all-seeing eye in the sky that that shatters itself so that it can remember again, so that it can come back to itself. And that's the great challenge facing us today. it's no small task it's certainly easy to look out into our divisive world and to lose heart but i think this is a time for a lot of hope like you said for a lot of optimism and for us to lean into this grand adventure that we're all a part of i mean it's a miracle that we exist i don't even understand how anything works like i i'm saying like i don't even understand how we're zooming right now i'm seeing you we're talking about like we need to recognize the miracle that existence is so that we can fall in love with it again

and therefore treat our brothers and sisters with that same kind of love not contempt because they're different they look differently they think differently but because it's a miracle that we exist and obviously the one consciousness is experiencing existence through all of us And our next dance partner in this never-ending thing we call life is AI. We've got to lead this dance with love, grace, and ease. And if we do so, I think, you know, our potential is unlimited. And what we can create together is more than beautiful. Yeah, that's my hope that we're in this ascending phase right now.

Yeah, AI is back on board. we've come out of the dark ages and, you know, we could lead to greater levels of technology, which allows for greater degrees of freedom. And through that, you know, we stopped being a slave to our own work schedule and just getting by. You know, so many people are just getting by, right? They're not worried about what's happening in the news or things like that. They're just trying to make ends meet. And, you know, that would be a great gift for us to be able to step outside of that to greater and greater levels of freedom.

Some concern around things like Palantir or the use of AI, you know, know, if this becomes a, you know, one world government surveillance state, you know, open air prison. There's things like that I've talked about before that are, you know, 1984, brave new world. Those books are written as a potential vision of where we're at in this crossroads. And I think those are real things to pay attention to. But to your point, you know, like impregnating the machine with love, with our hearts, with, with

the gift of what it means to be alive, with we truly remember. remember that and hold that. We share that with everything. Our frequency shifts and everything that's within the center of our heart field is in contact with that level of understanding and awareness. And I think that's it's our duty to lead in that way. It's our duty to remember that and to find that in ourselves. And trust me, I've had experiences on plant medicines where everything was the same. There is no greater hell than if we were all the exact same. If we were all equal, I mean, the diversity is the beauty, right? It's what allows us to see differences. It's what allows us to know ourselves. It's what allows little Kyle to know

little Kyle, you know, and all the things else in the world without the contrast, you know, there is nothing but sameness. And I think this is a perfect, perfectly designed divine game we're in. Amen. Like that alchemy of duality is like coming together in this magical way right now. And it isn't, we need to recognize the diversity of the world that we're living in and the beauty that that brings, like you said, what I think we're forgetting in this day and age, you can see it politically. I certainly felt it when I ran for governor. Whenever we're sitting across from another human being, Kyle, no matter our differences. And there's a lot of things that you and I were different.

We always have more alike, though, with another human being. And I think recognizing that reality is something that AI can help bring us back to, that an awakening can help bring us back to. The divine game, I would say, is kind of a team sport. Like, we're playing it together. And so that game is the, a game that we have to play. And it's a never-ending game because there's always someone else to help. There's always someone else in need, someone that we can lift up, someone that we can

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never been able to handle, you know, the trials and tribulations of fatherhood and, and, you know, having a wife for 13 years and all those things and watching the world as it is, too. I think, you know, my goal, and if I can give that to my kids, is just to continue to be the best version of myself, you know, if they can do the same, if they are the most of themselves that they can possibly be and that they learn and grow along the way that they're going to get the most out of life. And I certainly have, you know, I had a wild experiences, but I feel quite grounded now. And really, you know, hindsight is everything. I can look back on my life and see all these doors open and everything kind of click together,

all the synchronicities. I call them God nods. You know, and I can trust in that, right? No matter what, how scary tomorrow looks, I can trust in my experience of 43 years that has brought me here that's been fucking hand curated. It just feels like I've been held to the Miracle, yeah. Yeah, absolute miracle. Yeah, so I can lean on that. I love the, if I could just reflect back to you, what I heard there are three things that, like, are so important for us to lean into in this digital world. Number one, family, like your kids, your closest relationships ground you.

In the age of AI, what do relationships look like? Like when our kids are spending more and more time in front of screen, And it's time for us as dads, as fathers, as parents, loved ones to lean in and to make sure that real human connection is a critical part of this process. Our families, however imperfect or perfect or whatever they were, no matter what they look like, that's one of the universal teachers we have, are humans. You talked about the body, like getting back into your body, getting in body. getting embodied.

AI is not embodied. Like there is so many forms of, I'm going to say, quote unquote, technology in our bodies that we don't even understand that are vastly superior to anything we've created yet. In the age of AI, there's an interesting kind of mixing of the artificial with the organic as AI mimics a little bit of like the brain's chemistry to remember. But we're embodied. We need to appreciate. these bodies we need to for the gifts that they are we we shame our bodies we we abuse our bodies

you know like these are vessels that are perfectly curated to protect consciousness and to help us down the path and the third one these are three universal teachers i talk about in the book so i'm just and i think you hit all three of them nature like we need to be back in touch with mother earth like Mother Earth regulates our nervous system in a way that nothing else can as we continue to become more digital, more, you know, let's say living in, you know, the metaverse, our own digital creations. As we get lost in those, it's critical for us to come back to the earth, to get grounded. You know, it's interesting how the answers kind of remain the same, you know? Like we go, round and round and new challenges come up and new trauma exists and the news is always changing and division unfortunately occurs and there are hateful people in the world unfortunately that are working through their own their own pain but the answers kind of for us remain the same and what's great about humanity is I'm not sure the end is like foretold or written like we get

to decide what we become? What if our future? What if the end of the story is really up to us? And if it is, how do we want to write it? How do we want to write it together? And how can AI, how can in the era of highly intelligent machines, what can we do to make sure that that future is as beautiful as possible for as many of us as possible? It's a fun challenge. And that those answers stay the same. Those universal teachers always remain are often neglected in my experience and opinion. And they're ones, though, that we can always return to our families, our bodies, and nature. I love those. Those are incredible. Well, I'd love to, I mean, that seems like a great place to stop, but I do want to pick your brain on one more thing here. And then we'll talk about

what you see. And this kind of goes in the future. There's a lot of, uh, understanding the importance of real-world connections, family being the most important, our connection to ourselves also arguably the most important, and our connection of nature, it feels like these are, what's the word for, like foundational principles that haven't changed and shouldn't change. And I think of something like, and I mentioned the word modafinil, right? I remember first taking that. And I thought, cool, this is great. What is that? I don't know what that is. So it's basically, it's an anti, narcolepsy medication, right?

And they give it to like pilots that have to do 24-hour emissions and things like that. It's not in the amphetamine class that just jacks the nervous system, but it just allows you to stay sharp for like 12 hours, right? It really works. And when I started taking this when my son was born at 33, I wasn't getting sleep. You know, I had a lot of stuff to do. And I was like, oh, this actually gets me through it. This is this tool.

One thing I noticed over time in the older I got is that it did affect my nervous system. And one of the first things, I remember looking for this online and it was like, yeah, I kind of felt robotic, right? Like, I was less emotionally available for those around me because I was getting shit done. It, like, put me into the perfect doer, the perfect human doing, right? But I lost the human being in that, right? And I think about here's just one chemical, right? When you look at some of the futurists and, you know, people to talk about, like, oh,

eventually human will merge with machine or else you're just going to get left out. It's like, well, left out of what, right? you might get left out of like doing that out of the rat race yeah you're not going to be left out of human being and that's we're damn sure if you sign up you could be left out of human being and so that's something i've continued to really think of is like what enhances our human nature and what takes us away from that and you know the ability you know like like make neil gets plugged in he's like i know kung fu like a lot of people would love to just download something like that in a second i got 20 years of martial arts experience awesome whatever the thing may be i really love the book

Red Rising. You know, that whole series is awesome. It's a sci-fi in the future and these guys have kind of merged in some ways. They have the ability to learn things quickly. That seems like the best way forward if that was going to be the case and how that goes. I can see a lot of ways where it doesn't go that way. I can see a lot of ways where like, awesome, I can do so much now. And then we just absolutely change and shift gears into that as opposed to returning to nature, returning to ourselves and returning to a level of tranquility, you can't get in the doing mode. Amen. Like, I love that.

And rather than try to prognosticate a future that neither of us know, I don't know, let me just say that with all these job loss, like you said a while ago, major job dislocation is coming. And, you know, as a former. political candidate, I understand that, like, the biggest precursor for social unrest is unemployment of males from the ages of 19 to 40, you know, disinformation that we're dealing with deep fakes and other things that we're already dealing with. And they're just going to become, you know, ubiquitous, I think. Augmentation, human augmentation. Let me just say that And my plea is, like, can we approach all of this with wisdom, love, and grace?

I talk about in the book, the old game versus the new game. The way that I define the old game is kind of focused on greed, power, control, kind of our base desires. It feels like we've been playing that game for a long time. In fact, you could kind of make the argument that we may be crescendoing right now in our society to the end of that game. The old game is burning itself out and burning itself away. And the argument I make in the book is that a new game is emerging, one where the currency is karma, not cash.

You know, the motivation is authenticity, not power or control. And so, anyways, the reason I give you that context is to say, I hope that humanity, and I guess I'm kind of bridging the second half of my career here. You know, I've built billion dollar companies. I've run for statewide office. I've quote unquote done all the things, whatever that means. I think it's time for us to come back to ourselves and to approach all of these huge questions, like the one you asked, with as much ease, love and grace as possible.

and with an eye on human flourishing. If we look at, if venture capitalists, if business people, of CEOs, like I've been, look at AI as a mechanism to, and certainly some will do this, I'm not. But if the primary motivation is power and money, it's not like just, I don't think there'll be just some winners and losers, Kyle. I think we all lose. Yeah. If we put the old game paradigm, as I kind of quickly explained it a couple minutes ago, on top of AI, I don't want to, we're in trouble. I mean, that's why I wrote this book. This book comes at like great personal cost potentially to me.

I'm saying reputationally and, you know, it's a shift from where I've been. And I tell it, I tell my story kind of openly and honest, vulnerable. And so the only reason that I was motivated to do that, I look at my four kids. I'm actually a grandpa. It happens quick here in Utah. I have a one-year-old grandson. My oldest is 23, dude, and I have a grandson. I look at him and I wonder, like, what do their futures look like?

If we dump this godlike technology of AI, what it's going to become on top of the old game, I don't think there are just some winners and losers. I think all of humanity loses. So as we approach all these ethical equations like human augmentation and everything else all around that, my plea, I guess, or what I'm arguing is let's make sure we look at, make decisions through a lens of awareness, awareness of who we really are, the divine unity that I believe is at the center of all existence. the reality of what we're trying to do here and how we can help each other get there, how we can inspire human flourishing rather than, this is a great way for me to make money.

This is a great way for me. You mentioned 1984 to, like, control people, control outcomes. That's just, like, we need a whole paradigm shift. This is where transformation and evolution comes to the forefront of humanity. Are we willing to drop the old game, to let it die within us, to let it burn out of us so that something new and I would argue more beautiful can emerge? That is the fundamental, like ethical question facing our generation, you and I. And it's facing us, I mean, for our kids and grandkids, what kind of life, what kind of existence will we lead to them if we don't. don't lead with wisdom.

The crux of the book said in one sentence is, as our machines become more intelligent, we must become more wise. And it's that wisdom, that embodied human, hard-fought, century-old wisdom that needs to come forward.

And I think we need to try to elevate leaders whether it's in media or business or politics that are in this flow, that are more in this light so that we can transform our institutions and make sure that they are squarely focused on human flourishing for all. It's not an easy task. I like the idea that you, the ideas that you brought up. The truth is none of us know how it's going to go, but I think we can be confident that it will go, I'm going to say, quote, unquote, the right way or a good way, if we bring that wisdom to those decisions. I love that, brother.

This has been fucking awesome having you on the podcast. I can't wait to check out your book. You said it's going to release in August. Is that correct? Yeah, August 19th, it comes out. We will have the release of this, like right around that date. So I'll make sure that we earmarked that August 19th. Yep, August 19th.

18th, that is. 819. All right, cool. We'll make sure that this comes out right before the book launch. We'll link to everything in the show notes. Where can people find you and get a hold of you if they've got questions or want to see what you're up to in life? Yeah, yeah. Probably the best place is just jeff burningham.com.

So, Jeff, burning, like, and a ham.com. You know, Jeff Burningham.com. I'm on socials at all those places. And, yeah, I'd love to connect with people and talk to them about this. adventure that we're on together and how we can make sure that it continues to be a good one in the in the era of highly intelligent machines it's fun fun challenge absolutely brother well i'm so glad that you've taken your heart and your soul and put it in this work i can't wait to dive into it thanks man thanks good to be with you b3 sciences is a phenomenal company

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