Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #421 Cyclical Time & Ancient Mysteries: A Journey Through History & Sound w/ Tyler Engle - Bass Forge

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Kyle welcomes Tyler, also known as Base Forge, who is recognized for his unique perspectives on ancient knowledge and cyclical time. The conversation covers various intriguing topics, including Tyler's background in Kansas, his path towards spiritual awakening through ancient esoteric knowledge, and how he connected these ideas with his music career. The discussion delves into concepts of cyclical time, the Great Year, and different ages ranging from the Golden Age to the Iron Age. Tyler elaborates on his views regarding the advanced construction techniques and purposes of ancient megalithic structures, the significance of harmonics and sacred geometry, and how these structures may have been used for consciousness development rather than mere energy generation. The role of psychedelics, hermetic principles, and the importance of ritual and initiation in ancient cultures are also highlighted. Additionally, Tyler discusses his upcoming vision quest and the importance of responsible usage of psychedelics. The podcast underscores Tyler's mission to help people reconnect with the awe and beauty of existence through his teachings and community offerings.   Connect with Tyler here: Instagram Bass Forge Links   From Kyle: The Community is coming! Click here to learn more The Rising Retreat w/ Conor Milstein: https://www.therisingretreat.com/   Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM. Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU to claim your 15% discount. These are the b3 bands I was talking about. They are amazing, I highly recommend incorporating them into your movement practice.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Kyle-Kingsbury Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome to today's podcast. We've got Tyler, better known as BaseForge. BaseForge is the guy I've been following on Instagram for a while now since I got back on. He has just an incredible page, an incredible way of viewing the world, an incredible way of viewing our past and really understanding that. Something that I have gravitated towards probably in the last five years is the concept of cyclical time, right? And I've talked about this through the fourth turning, which is these 80-year cycles that take place credit to my boy Ben Stewart for turning me on to the book of the fourth turning. And then also larger cycles, like the great year, 25,700 years, give or take, in which we have four main cycles. Many have heard of the Caliuga, right? The Iron Age, the Dark Age, is what we're coming out of now.

But at the top, we have the Golden Age, descending down from 12 to 6 into the Silver Age or Mental Age, into the Bronze or Energy Age, and then eventually in the Caliuga, Iron Age, or Dark Age, coming out of that ascending from 6 to noon, we travel back up to the latter. This actually makes better sense when we consider how the pyramids were built, many of the great temples. And what I love, you know, well, I'll link to Tyler's stuff in the show notes. You're going to be blown the fuck away. I mean, he goes to a lot of these temples. He had just gone to Egypt with Robert Edward Edward Grant and many other awesome people. We deep dive into cymatics and frequency and all sorts of cool shit, but in a very real world practical way. And that's what I love about his page is it shows this stuff in reality, right?

It shows you the sacred geometry in nature, in the sacred geometry that we've used to build some of the best things on the planet and some of the best temples, which are all harmonized to tone at a certain frequency, chanting in these places, what that can do. Very, very cool stuff. So we deep dive all this and more. Tyler's awesome. I can't wait to have him back on down the road. So check out his page and what he's into.

He's also a musician. So I'd love to hear him play. If I am correct, he does EDM. So I'm stoked. Love that kind of music. and excited to get Tyler back on in the future. Support this show by sharing it with a friend and leave us the five-star message.

Leave us a five-star rating with one or two ways the show's helped you out in life and as always support our sponsor. They make this show possible. Without further ado, my brother, Tyler, Base Forge. Tyler, welcome to the podcast, brother. Thanks for having me, dude. I'm excited.

I've been pumped to... I've had a couple of great Austinites, Austonians, on here, Alexzek out here the other day. and yeah man i really love you know what you bring to the forefront visually right so a lot of these concepts that we're going to dive into are kind of interesting you know to play with i think when when cymatics and things like that first started to visually show us different frequency and like how that was tied it was like wow dude this is like psychedelics in real time right you know and i think that that made stuff a layer uh more i guess practical a layer for more more like grab

for most people to be able to see and understand. And so I love your page because you take some of these complex things, these patterns that we see throughout nature, and you'll overlay them with where we see it in a temple in Tibet or in different places. And then what that actually could be used for, you know, in a jet engine liner, things like that. So I love the fact that these things, you know,

and as you know, nature doesn't make mistakes. And a lot of these things get recycled and reused in different areas. So it's just been fascinating to follow your page. and I'm a fan brother. Thanks, dude. It's always amazing because I used to watch you growing up. Like it's weird now that people are like, I'm a fan of you. It just doesn't process, right?

And I'm just like, I was just talking about sound man. Pretty cool, though. Hell yeah. Well, tell me about life growing up. Where'd you grow up? Did you grow up here in Texas? You know, yeah, I grew up in Kansas, small town in Kansas. Not really small, but it's called Wichita.

But it's about 500. hundred thousand people and uh you know now the more that i think about it i'm like pretty glad that i grew up there because if i would have grown up in austin i probably wouldn't have like been enclosed enough to to learn as much because it's austin is the most fun place i've ever been and like i would have got just completely distracted but uh in kansas when i was growing up i i went to college for engineering and I was just driving around town doing side work and I had two jobs and one of them was building computers and the other one was cleaning windows and they're very different different jobs but both were really repetitive and they were really boring so all I had my headphones and I

got an audible subscription and I just like listened to 50 audiobooks about like everything I was into and a lot of it was you know ancient esoteric stuff and where things came from and uh even like concepts from self-help and everything were like crossing over into this like same genre of thing and i was like okay well where's the source and eventually when you like when you dig down far enough in that world you end up at like hermetic philosophy and and ancient Vedic texts and all that like those are the core of everything and so uh started like getting really deep into that and it was only when I started messing around with music when everything kind of like got glued together and the funny thing about that is when you when you play with electronic music

you have ultimate control over frequencies and everything you know so you could really dial things in and I started playing with cymatics and they have a simulator that can simulate what it looks like in water and stuff you know for it's like a plug-in and it was it's supposed to be just a visualizer, but I was using it for like, I would cross-reference things. I'd play a note and it would make a pattern. I'm like, where do I, where do I see that before? And I think the, one of the first ones I did was the one that, uh, Borebador. And I was, I played it. And it was, it was this weird. The circle was, was, was, it looked just like the, the main one in the temple, because it's, it's not a perfect circle. It's off a little bit. It's like a little overly. And then it had

every single one of the stupas around it and i was like hold on were there what else is out there and so i just yeah i just kept doing that and uh i had this giant folder on my computer of like 50 images and uh you know just save it random videos and stuff and i was like i got to do something with this there's no way i can just sit on this and not have it people have to see this and i didn't i didn't think anyone was going to be interested in it really i was i was talking to my girlfriend because It was kind of my last COVID shut my window cleaning business down when I moved down here because no one needs their windows cleaned. And so I was like, this is my last shot here.

If this doesn't work, I'm going to be working at B. Terry's or something. So it was my long shot and it works. So it's, you know, the universe aligns. Yeah. Fuck, yeah, it does. No question. Well, I think it's clear you're, I mean, it's evident to me that you're passionate about what you're talking about. And I think for me, that's an, it's an easy fit.

Like, I'm looking at this shit like, wow, this is fucking mind-blowing. I'm showing my wife, look at this. I'm showing my son. You know, it's like I geek out on the same shit. And I don't have a music background, you know, but just having had musical experiences and alter states of consciousness where I'm like, I hear sound differently now. I have a completely different relationship to it, a different appreciation for it. And then, you know, as you mentioned with like kind of the underpinnings of everything, right?

Right? You get into like Ishtok, Benthoff's work. You talked about the hermetic principles. Like that starts, it starts becoming back to these fundamentals, frequency, light, sound, all synonyms. You know, and so, you know, getting into that and then seeing what, how does that actually, what does that actually look like when we're actually putting this through different mediums? And that's, that's wild stuff to me. You know, even like now being, you know, we got, we got the farm here and almost every, every fruit, they're all pentagonal. You're like everything in nature's coming through in these pentagonal shapes and you can cut a cucumber, you can cut an order. You get all these different things and you can see these patterns repeat. It's pretty phenomenal. So you move, go ahead.

I was going to say, it's crazy once you start, because once you see it, you can't really unsee it. And you'll just be cutting random fruit or eating random things. And you're like, what? I know that. Like, it just keeps coming at you. And you're right, because the music is really, it's easy to grasp. So people can, you know, there's multiple sensors. things going on. So when you do, you know, something that, an experience that everyone's had,

like eating a cucumber, and then you show the frequency of it and you can hear the frequency of it. It's making the shape. It connects on like, like you said, almost a psychedelic level where it's a syntheia of everything. And it's just like woven into reality. It's, it's mind-blowing phenomenon, especially if you've done psychedelics. Yeah, absolutely. Well, let's talk about that. Did you, did this, didn't, what drew you more towards a spiritual path? And you started finding and stuff like this is you talked about the hermetic principles and things like that. I didn't get a hold of, what do they call it, the Kabbalion until maybe 10 years ago. You know, and so I had, you know, it started out with psilocybin and ayahuasca,

and thankfully had a great coach who would bring me through for traditional journeys and sweat lodges and things like that and break down some of the kind of the core concepts behind indigenous wisdom. But it wasn't until later where I started like really gravitating towards some of these ideas. and you know i had read a cartolian shit like that growing up and loved it and it really resonated to different parts of my life but in terms of um i don't know i guess i guess seeking seeking answers you know seeking answers to the deep questions you know i i had a similar path like when i tell you i was reading all those books i wasn't reading all the books and absorbing them and then practicing the lessons i just wanted to see what these guys knew and see if there was like another

layer of reality that i wasn't getting but none of it like really clicked until I had gone down a few psychedelic rabbit holes and, you know, various, various different journeys in the sense of like compounds, I guess, you'd say. So it's, it kind of, it kind of glued things together for me that weren't really related. I had compartmentalized a lot of the stuff I was reading, and then they kind of brought it all together and literally showed through experience that this is all the same thing and that was like the first experience of like a i would say i would call it like a spiritual experience that i've ever had was was that and i no one put that into words for me and i always thought it was you

know when you hear about it you're like oh that's just a hallucination or whatever but when you directly experience it it's like it's a wildly different thing and for me i was like how did how did no one tell me that it seems like some very important information to know that i could you know blend all these concepts and everything makes sense and it it feels right like just by doing you know that so yeah that was it was a huge part of my i mean i was in the uh you know the edm scene so we were a little less uh less monitored in a few of my journeys but but they achieved the same result and it's funny that you said the sound um when And, you know, it's like, because it creates a path for you, in my opinion, especially when

you're in those states, it's really important to know what you're doing sonically because that is one of those things that resonates literally with your whole body because you can feel it. So if you're going down, you know, if you pick a song that's really sad, that feeling is going to be amplified by a million times, right? So taking yourself through that journey or, you know, allowing someone else to do that, whether that's a shaman or a DJ is kind of a very important role. And I didn't, I didn't take that very seriously a couple times and learn the hard way. And so it really influenced me in music production

as well as, as my content, knowing that that is a, it's a really important role as, as, you know, a leader in music that you should, you know, curate that journey carefully for others, because it It has magnificent power to unlock parts of your brain that you didn't know existed. And that's kind of why I wanted to start the page is because I felt like I could communicate those ideas a little bit better than most people were doing. And not only through sound, but also I could piece them together with my mouth and make them sound a little more logical than just really far out spiritual ideas. because I feel like that kind of, there's a crowd that gets pushed away when you go down

a very super spiritual route. And then there's also the crowd that doesn't resonate if you're not spiritual enough, but 80% of people are right here. So I was like, I just want to hit these guys because this is what matters. So that was my strategy. All right, guys, quick break to tell you about what I've been up to. This year has been a year of transition for me. with a fit for service making huge changes.

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For $150 a month, you'll gain access to a treasure trove of wisdom from hundreds of podcast guests, a lifetime of learning and human optimization, and the teachings of legends like Paul Check, James Clear, and so many others. Reconnect with your inner compass and discover the freedom, health, and sovereignty that await. Embrace the journey to excellence because we are what we repeatedly do. If that interests you, peep the link in the show notes for the community, and we will get you guys locked in. All right, back to the podcast. I was thinking about, like, one of the experiences that first really resonated with me, we were, my first dozen ayahuasca journeys were with, um, guides, not shaman, you know, and the guides would play, uh, you know, a playlist. And the playlist were fucking beautiful. It was nothing like having an Ikoro sung, like, live, you know, or people playing live music. It's a whole different experience, but I had nothing to compare it to. But I remember, um, an East Indian song, it was the first time I heard Sitar on medicine. And it was fucking with me nonstop.

Like I started to feel like itchy and just like discomfort. And I was like, God, what the fuck is this? And I couldn't really sit still. And he's playing it faster and faster. And I was like, this guy's fucking with me. And I kept thinking that in my head. It's like, are they fucking with me? And I'm like looking, like looking around, like think of where are the fucking guys?

They put this song on just to fuck with me. And then once I realized like the sound is playing in all these different areas to fuck fuck with me to fuck me open to fucking unlock different parts of me and i just like whoa and i just let go man like i've never listened to indian music differently in my entire like that point right there like shifted my entire relationship and i'm a huge fan of satar i'm a huge fan of songs that like pull me in weird directions you know because i knew i could feel it fucking literally like crunch through me almost like a you know like purging isn't fun right but it but afterwards there's an openness and so i could feel like it was kind of just

tearing open parts that didn't want to open you know and then after that i was like wow dude this is fucking insane it's it's crazy when you get like um so you can tune the reason why the instruments are so so so much more impactful live is i feel like there's a live quality to the whatever they're made of like the wood and the metal and the bow string or whatever you're playing it with right and that can like that resonates with every atom in that instrument and that resonates with you because it's coming from the natural world right but edm is purely digital so there's like two different worlds that i love i love listening to that stuff and it gets me in this that same kind of thing where they know what they're doing way more than i know what i'm

doing but the sounds that i can make are also this just wildly different experience that it will trance you out so much faster just because it's engineered to do that so there's there's two different I like to balance with that, and I feel like a lot of other music producers do this, is throwing in, you know, the natural elements of natural, you know, acoustic instruments and then putting a little bit of EDM in there or a little bit of synthesizer to kind of beef it up a little bit for more immersion. And I'll tell you now, if you've never tried, like, if you've never had a journey and had a good EDM producer take you down there, that is an experience that you absolutely have to have. my buddy i think uh savage savage was one of the first guys that aubri got me into back in the day and um you know we got to meet donnie we're good buddies he was on the podcast not long ago but savage was like my first experience with that where i was like dude this guy is mixing in full fucking dance vibes full base and you know you've got chanting in the background and fucking the tribes here and i was just like wow you know like like just lit on different levels you know it's a very unique

experience for sure. Have you heard the Egyptian instrument? It's kind of like the, it's like a thing's called cistern. It's the string instrument that they play too. Oh yeah. That one, when I was in Egypt, that one like pierced my eardrum and I was like, oh, I got to listen to this one. There's things on the wall that show what notes they're playing too in some of the temples. And I'm like, oh man, I took pictures of all of them. I'm like, I'm going to figure this out. So have you been to a lot of the places that you cover? Do you travel a lot looking at some of these ancient sites? Yeah.

So I was just in Egypt with Robert Grant in February. That's so cool. We had a good time. It was definitely interesting. I thought I went in there expecting a certain experience and I got a little bit. It wasn't that I was that I was underwhelmed by Egypt. It still blew my mind. but it was, when I say it was exactly what I expected, it was exactly what I expected.

Like, what I had seen online, I felt like I could walk directly to what I had been researching for 10 years, which was pretty wild, to never be in a country and then see that thing. And I'm like, yeah, I've been, I've been looking at this for years. And then you get to touch it, you know. So that was, that was pretty interesting. And it was very immersive, I guess you could say, when you're, we had some private visits where there's not a lot of people. people just our group you guys got like 3 a.m. like middle of night type stuff yeah we got um so we got dendera that it's my favorite temple we got that one all to ourselves and that was really late at night and it's man it is a magical experience to go through those things with with nobody and

we were all like we'd agreed to not talk loudly so it was very quiet in there like proper temple vibes and we were I can't even put it into words it was it was incredible how and it's a huge temple you know so there was we didn't even have time to explore everything I wanted to explore but I had these glasses and I was just recording everything the meta glasses so I have all this footage of me just you can like every which way but yeah I do travel a lot I went to I've been to Israel I've been to Petra I've been to West Bank I'm into a bunch of cathedrals Mexico pyramids in Mexico I've got a couple more on my list.

Going to Mexico this year again. C-T-O-T-U-Con, so that'll be fun. Question for you. So when you're in a place like this and you have your understanding of sound as a musician and for people that don't know you are just listening now for the first time, what I'm kind of alluding to is like the harmonics of a structure, right?

So like when you see domes and archways, even the way like the Hollywood Bowl is built, right, is acoustically designed in the half of a mountain in Hollywood to resonate back, right? So this sound is amplified and it resonates. In a Tema's call, the Central American Sweat Lodge is built as a concrete dome. And it resonates in there because the sound has nowhere else to go, right? But it's harmonically tuned in a way.

When you're in places like a cathedral or different pyramid structures and you understand like, all right, this one's at a 60 degree angle and it's going to be more phallic or masculine, do you guys get to experiment with anything? like chanting or different things like that or do you do you even in the absence of that because you talked about it being quiet do you still feel those harmonics even without working with sound in and in and of itself that i'm so glad you asked that because there's there's two things i want to touch on there everywhere else in the world other than egypt you can do whatever you want with that you can you can chant you can hum you can bring a tone generator no one cares

if you do that in Egypt a dude with a gun will come over and say you can't do that so what we did what we did was we used the times we were with a big group to kind of distract people and go test it out for ourselves a little bit but what I was noticing in the quiet times was when you walk in because you look at the layout if you ever look at a temple floor plan look at Dendera for example it'll have little rooms it's It's a rectangle, right? But there's little rooms on the side. And to the best of my knowledge, they are priming chambers. And what that means is when you have a temple, you have the outside area, then you have the inner sanctum, and then you have the Holy of Holies, right? The middle part. But to enter that, you have to go through and essentially it's like warming up before

an exercise. You got to, you know, you've got to stretch your chest out. You got to stretch your legs out a little bit. it's the same thing that they do for a mental or like a spiritual journey and what you would do is you walk into these chambers and they're geometrically perfect right but the the sound that they are focusing is dependent on the height and the width and the depth of the chamber so we're going to get a different tone each for each chamber that you go into and so what i was noticing was that when we would go into these chambers they all did have a different feel. It was like a texture of a feeling. And there's always a light in the sky. And the light is, it's not electric, it's a skylight,

but it's shaped like a pyramid. And when the moon or the sun hits it right, it illuminates a certain section of the wall. And so we were going in, and I was seeing where these things were illuminated, right? And it just felt like, you know, at this date and this time, this is the lesson that you should learn kind of a thing. It's like pointing you to look at this, you know, specific part of the wall, which is you don't read it like English, you know, the hieroglyphs are an entire experience in one picture.

And there's multiple, multiple layers of depth to it. So you kind of have to stare at it a while. It's like a magic eye picture. It starts to appear after you unfocus your eyes almost. And so you'll get lost in one of these chambers. And I think it really helps dial in the focus to whatever they're trying to. teach you in that part of the temple, right? So if the, for example, if you're trying to connect with the gratitude, the emotion of gratitude, it will have, you know, this beautiful image of an abundance

of crops and, you know, people are having children and all this stuff. So it'll, it kind of entranes your body to that emotion. And then once you're, once you feel like you have that kind of down, you would go to another chamber. And then you do this process of, going around and getting tuned before you entered the next layer and then you would have another process where you would go around and you would either chant or read or do all these you know maybe ingest a psychedelic substance whatever you're doing in the in that ritual is priming for the ultimate like holy of holy's experience where you are everything is resonating where it should be and that's kind of like your map I guess you'd say for navigating that realm because

you don't think in that realm it's not that's not a mental thing you're just there like you said and you're kind of in full surrender but you feel so if you didn't entrain those feelings through you know and music is one of the best ways to do that you can connect with with a whole bunch of different emotions just by knowing certain scales right so in training your entire body to those feelings is more like it's like a map almost on how to navigate there and stay in like a vibe so you're not having a bad trip for example like you would stay in that vibe because you know you've been trained your body to feel those feelings and that's your your pathway through the you know umduat or whatever whatever the tradition called it so that's that was my experience

with it is definitely whenever you go into one of them there's a it's not eerie but you feel it and like the hair on my every time i went in the hair on my arm stood up and i was like this is something's in here yeah i'm caring i'm trying to think of the guy um i think it was john john lily who wrote center the cyclone he was the first guy who invented the float tank uh was a medical doctor and was doing the studies on uh dolphin he's trying to communicate with dolphins on acid and the navy u.s navy funded it really rad dude um he ended up kind of writing a map later on on like how to have basically engineer the body through the mind through experience to get to a point where now to enter an alter state of consciousness, like, I'm directing where I want to go, right? So it limits

the potential for a bad trip, right? Even though you could say there, as the McKenna say, there's no such thing as bad trips, there's only challenging experiences, right? And everything has medicine. But that definitely resonates as a primer, thinking of these as like ways where even like as you move through the chakra system, you know, Robert Edward Grant was, I think right when he kind of figured it out. He was speaking at one of our fit for service events and talking about how each of the pyramids in Egypt was at a different

frequency to resonate with each chakra all the way up all through seven. And I think he was saying that side note that the Ajna or the third eye one had been blown up at some point. The top was blown off. Yeah. It's like that was fucking crazy to think about that. But

yeah. She was designed in that way. So you're talking about like within a structure, there are multiple designs that allow you to unlock as you enter into deeper and deeper into the holies of holies. And then also each structure in Egypt is potentiating different parts of us that we're working through. Is that right? All right, guys, another quick break to tell you about bioptimizers. How's your life been lately? It feels like mine is never ending. The constant juggling of responsibilities, the endless to-do list. It seems that it is impossible to live

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For an exclusive offer, go to bioptimizers.com slash kingsbu and use promo code Kingsbu during checkout to save 15%. That's K-I-N-G-S-B-U, all caps, during checkout a save. And if you subscribe, not only will you get amazing discounts and free gifts, you'll make sure your monthly supply is guaranteed. So, that is, yeah, it's right in the sense. that um so each temple like dendera for example is is dedicated to the goddess hathor she's she's the goddess of of women fertility so it's a very like feminine temple there's a lot of feminine imagery

and then um so you'll have abidos for example is is was to osiris there's the osirian is right behind it so he was um you know he was cut up into pieces and then reassembled and it's metaphor for a bunch of symbolism like Flower of Life, which is on the thing in the Osirian. So each one had something that you would learn. It's like going to a technical college to learn a specific skill, and then that temple hyper-focused on that skill. So you'd go through like Camobo, it was where they had all the alligators or crocodiles, and they would put them in a pit, and they would have tests to see if you could overcome your fears

at Kamobo because they were the guardians of darkness. So you'd be getting in like pools with crocs and trying to swim and get out of these mazes and stuff. So there's there's a whole bunch of like physical tests in reality that you would have to pass and that would prove to, you know, your nervous system and everybody else that you could handle what was going to happen inside the temple, the journey that was going to happen in here because, you know, if you never, you don't train for that and you get a, if you do have a bad trip and you see some you see some stuff a lot of people are not psychologically equipped to

handle that and so i i really do think that these were more like a university for people who wanted the metaphysical degree instead of the traditional college degree right and then that would qualify you to be an exceptional ruler or a pharaoh which is that is our word by the way they never used pharaoh comes to the word house um but the greeks kind of made it you know so they would uh your house would be a lineage of people that had passed that test and proved worthy you know and that's where you'd have a dynasty is is you know you have the the people in your bloodline that can handle doing all of these things and as a pharaoh you would have to travel all the way up the nile and hit all of those chakras before you got to the

great pyramid which was the final you know test i guess of your spiritual abilities damn that's fucking wild to think about and you're like what you're speaking to like with the the esoteric degree you know is the the mystery school right and they had these in different places on earth but obviously Egypt was you know a mega center I think in the there's been some books I was reading on the library at Alexandria and how there was so much traffic between that library down to Egypt and back up to the druidic places and then you know there's everyone wanted to share this knowledge but there was centers in each of these centers that people could work with and reach a whole understanding and into themselves

and then they could go trade and share that knowledge with others and see the way that they did it. That sounds like a damn good way to pick a ruler. Doesn't that sound like a damn good way to like somebody that's going to leave? Like let's put you through every fucking test possible and know you can handle that shit because there's some stuff that happens in the extra-dimensional that is so far beyond anything that I would be afraid of here that it's like anything you see in the real world later, you're like, man, this is nothing. This is nothing compared to what I dealt with, you know, on X amount of grams or whatever.

You know, so, I mean, I think that there's, there's a lot to be said there. And people joke about it. We saw, like, the meme, you know, where Trump in AI goes down to the Amazon to do ayahuasca. And now he's an old man and he's teaching breathwork and fucking drunk. drumming circles and shit. It's like, it was hilarious. There's so many people were like, oh, I wish this was true. You know, and other people were like, yeah, maybe one day.

And it's like, well, you know, that could have been the way that it was. And that's fucking wild to think if that's the way that it was, right? Well, I don't, honestly, if I really don't trust a lot of people if they haven't had a journey like that. Like, there's just a level of competence that is required to handle it and come back and be like, okay, I am actually not in control at all of anything. I'm just here. You know, it humbles the hell out of you. And you can really tell if someone's gone through that or not. But yeah, my, my, my dream world would be, you know, spiking the punch at the UN or something,

seeing what happens there. I think it'd solve a lot of problems. Cheers, buddy. Here we go, Bill Gates. We got you. That'd be wild. So how, when was, when was your first, your first time? Let's see. I mean, I had kind of dabbled a little bit, just outside of high school. Never did anything in high school, but like early college, maybe when I was 19, 20. My first big experience, it still wasn't with respect and reverence or, you know, in any, any type of, like, held container. We had gone up to Sedona when I was at Arizona State.

We drove up to Sedona. We were camping. And, you know, we're drinking. beers the night before doing key bums playing games doing stupid shit and then the next morning i made an omelet don't do this at home kids but i made an omelet with like an ounce of mushrooms on the colman grill so i did a little bacon i kind of put it in the chopped them up and through them in the bacon grease and i made a big omelet for me and the homies and i told them all you know i didn't trick anybody yeah but um it was wild to think like the mushrooms still worked even though we had it

with fucking bacon and eggs uh still worked even though we cooked them somewhat and and and it's still worked even though we were doing stupid shit the night before, you know, not, not holding with respect and reverence. Like I said, it was wild. It was one of the first times where I really connected the as above so below and as within so without that kind of feeling. I remember looking at ants and thinking like, what are these guys doing? They're just building shit, you know? And then it like, and then I shot out to humanity and it shot up to something beyond that. And I was just seeing kind of this trajectory of everything working in unit, you know, some type of unity and harmony and uh and like at that point you know none of it makes sense but it all makes

sense yeah you know like what what's what's in an eternal realm what the fuck is the point of trying anything when everything and everything anything will already happen right you know like it's yes it's going to happen it doesn't need to happen no it it already happened and it will happen you know so it's like there's it kind of takes out the the sauce away from the fire of going after and doing something and at the same time what do you want to do now there's nothing else but now so what do we want to do right now so it kept paradoxically shifting me through those understandings and man it cracked me open like i remember we're driving back from slide rock and just no pain nothing but just tears washing down my face like pure pure awe of the the magnificence of

creation just like wow man fucking rubbing it into my heart you know just like wow looking at at birds flying by it's a donut has its own resonance so i mean that was the container that was the the um that was the spaceholder you know so don't it held us through that yeah i think it was 23 and then my boxing coach as i mentioned when i was fighting he was a true medicine man so like we worked together with just sweat lodges for a couple of years and then started working with psilocybin in the sweat and then eventually iwaska and he passed away maybe a decade ago but like that guy primed me for all of my experiences he's what set the fire for me to go to the amazon and tried different things and work with different practitioners and ultimately, you know,

met Aubrey because of all his talks about psychedelics on Rogans and things like that. And we hit it off and that's what got us out to Austin years ago in 2017. So many, many big journeys. I probably journey far less often now. I just did a big one with Paul Check. And it's like, I'm good for the year. Or it might be good for two years. You know, like there's a point where you can have one that's good enough for really.

I'm satisfied. I feel full. My thirst is quenched for a minute and I'll circle back in a year or two. Well, it's funny you say that because I actually got like denied entry to to the psychedelic realms. And one of the last times I tried, we had a little DMT adventure. And it was me and my girlfriend. And we, dude, she blasted off.

And I was like, take me. I'm ready. and then you know things start to get a little real fractal real quick and then it just went like blank and then i didn't hear anything i didn't feel anything but the experience was communicated and it was like you have enough get it out and then we'll give you more but you've got enough right now she's she needs you need some stuff you just chill i was like yeah heard loud and clear buddy when you get that message the wrong thing is to say no i'm to have more, right? That's the wrong idea, right? When you just, like, that, there's an extent,

I remember all the old quotes, too, was somebody to say, I don't know, it was Ron Das, but somebody said, like, when you get the phone call from God, hang up, right? And it's like, yeah, but what if I want to talk to God again? You know what I'm saying? Like, there's more shit there, right? So, like, yes and no, but in those circumstances, you know, if it's like, if it says, you've got enough, you're good, come later, then it's like, okay, 100%. I'm in. Well, it's, it's a weird thing for me, too, because I'll have like I'll have my notes out and I try and I try and leave myself I try and set myself up for success like I try and have notebooks and my my note app on my phone just ready to rock just if I have some epiphany but the things that I write down sometimes in that state I'm

like what is I need you to explain this a little bit more so there's like there are some things where I just I don't think that it came fully in like 1080 PhD it was more of like a you'll unpack this on later in life we're just going to kind of give you a blip of it and so I when I stopped like rushing or trying to be like okay I just want more from these experiences give me more when you when I went into it that way I got more negative experiences I wouldn't even say they were bad it was just like it was showing me things that maybe would happen if I pushed things too hard or you know if i pushed myself too hard or if i was trying to you know if i was working 80 hours a week on whatever i was working on it would be like hey maybe chill a little bit

and then we'll give you more and so yeah like what you said it's like before when i wanted to just do that all the time and i just wanted to be in constant contact with whatever the hell this was it was great and it's really like you know it gets you to a place where i feel like humanity was always intended to be in terms of being comfortable in this place and and comfortable in your in your position in it but also it has like a double-edged sword thing where you know humans are just the curious most curious things on earth obviously and if you let that curiosity get the best of you then you know there are things there that are very hard to deal with like infinity is a very hard concept to wrap your head around as immortal but you know when you're there

it's really kind of no-brainer like you're it doesn't even phase you so some things get a little bit more easy to deal with I guess and then some things get a lot more complex like the magnitude of how much goes on just to make you like have us having a conversation right now is trillions of cells working together in harmony and there's a conscious signal synchronizing everything so that this experience is possible like you notice those things really quickly and those when you don't think about him every day because you're doing your normal job and you're just you know living it's it's kind of like ignorance is bliss a little bit and then when you get those things i i personally i felt a little bit more of a responsibility to be like hey yo wake up look how beautiful this place is like

do you realize how incredible it is just that you're we're having a conversation right now so it it's shifted my priorities like crazy and um yeah i don't i don't i really um it's like a once a year thing for me now it's especially if i if i really want to get something out of it i'd rather be in like a like a sweat lodge setting or a you know maybe in south america setting yeah yeah i'm gonna be doing um my first vision quest so i'll have no food no water in october i'm excited and nervous at the same time because i watched my buddy do it last year we sat in sweat for him to sweat him out and sweat him in and uh seeing him go through it you know it's you're signing up for four years right four years every every year we'll do one um and so i'm

excited to do it, but I'm also, you know, adequately nervous for it. But I like that. I mean, I feel more drawn and called to that experience than like the darkness, you know, and I've got a lot of buddies have gone and done darkness retreats. But I also love the concept of many paths lead up the mountain, right? And I've seen so many people, I mean, fuck, it seems like so many in the last three or four years that have gone off off the deep end on cannabis alone or something else that's like not even necessarily would be qualified as a psychedelic, but people lose track and they keep losing track and they keep losing track i just podcasted with a guy i'm not going to say his name who's clearly kind of taken that road away from from you know steering the ship in a healthy

way and it's fucking wild to see you know especially as a parent like you never want to see that i could have never imagine if that was my fucking baby you know got introduced to something like that and then i just lot they lost all track of reality like nothing could be more fearful than that um as a father you know witnessing it so you know as you said with the Some people's psychology just isn't there. I don't think some people, I mean, I agree with that. And that may not change in an entire lifetime, right? It might take several lifetimes for it to change to a point where they're like,

oh, this is a good idea. Yeah. You know? And I think that's part and parcel of the, when people first had that experience, myself included, like I'm beating the drum like, holy shit, dude, this exists. There's this magic sauce. You can drink it and you seek God and the plants are alive and consciousness is everything. And it's the fucking first order and everything.

after that, you know, I remember being that way for probably five years until you see, like I started seeing the writing on the wall. Like, I'm going to the same ceremonies. And, oh, you had the same, uh, uh, intention last year. Or you had the same intention the year before that, you know, like, what are we, we're just repeating? Like, people aren't actually getting better, you know, in the way that I feel like I'm getting better. Very interesting. And it's, you know, I've even had points of that on my own self when I'm going back and forth. Like, oh, I'm definitely just working on the same shit here you know like i need to move on yeah i there's a lack of um we don't have a ritual like like like the egyptians or you know the vatic tradition had where it's like a

right of passage like there's no teenagers don't have that it's high school you graduate that's not it's not really a right of passage it's just like the the state has signed off that you're okay to be in society now that's that's very very underwhelming in terms of what you're used to get with that type of thing you know you would have your all your friends had done it all your you would go through this process where like bonded people together and you know you had that shared okay well there's clearly something going on in the community here like maybe some animosity or even maybe just like there's a huge amount of joy in the community and everybody got to experience that and live that emotion through these ceremonies and stuff and you know

we're fragmented as an entire globe right now. Like, there's so much not leveling with each other and not seeing eye to eye. And we don't have any shared, like what you're saying with the Library of Alexandria, everyone wanted to donate their information to this place. Like, they felt compelled to do that. And there's nothing really compelling people to be connected right now. And we've severed that. And the only people that are talking about it are the people that kind of go on the extreme side, like what you're saying, and they almost stigmatize it for the people that could benefit the most from it.

And then you have the whole legal thing. And then it's just like a jumbled mess with these things that used to be the most sacred things in all of existence. And, you know, we elevated them to a status of, you know, every ancient culture using some type of mind-altering substance to connect with this thing. And archaeology will study everything else except for that. You know, we'll study the dates of a pottery fragment and some fecal matter under a rock, but they won't look at what's written on the walls and look at the ritual and what was going on when it's clearly, it's chiseled into the hardest rocks on the planet for a reason. They clearly thought that it was very, very important that people in the future knew about this.

And so I think there's a double-edged sword. You have to go about it in the same way they were with respect and reverence. And you have to have a little bit of training on it, which I'm glad the medical industry is getting into this for therapy and stuff. At least there's a setting where you can kind of, you know, in a controlled environment, look at this stuff. But I think there needs to be kind of an overhaul with the way we're looking at this. And it's an exciting time for that, though, because I think it is getting some traction. and the benefits are wildly apparent. All right, guys, quick break to tell you about one of our longest running show of sponsors,

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One question I wanted to bring up with you that I was curious to get your take on is, you know, as you uncover a lot of this stuff, whether we're talking the Egyptian pyramids or any of these ancient structures and like the quality of their builds, the fact that they are, you know, on the equivalent of like the way a jet ergent is built today, right? Like there's the tiniest cues are made done perfectly, right? And you see this on a grand scale when we look at these mega- elliptic structures, you are not of the ancient aliens, you know, sect, right? Where, like, most people would say, clearly, this is somewhat, you know, like, we had a greater technology before. I think, if I'm correct, but I want to get your take no matter what, that you believe it was us, right? That it was humans that were highly intelligent before. Do you follow, like, a cyclical nature of time, like the yugas, that understanding from

Sri Yukdaswar? How do you, like, do you think there's, like, previous golden ages where these things happen? Talk about that. Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, well. to unpack the the time the time i will say yeah it does appear cyclical and when you look at this is why sacred geometry is so important and it it's um it's one of those things where you have to kind of be into this stuff and have a curiosity of why why shapes do what they do and why they are

what they are because uh when you start looking into the geometry of the actual geometry of time it doesn't make sense it it doesn't make sense to us because it's it's like a dimension our perception other than linear time that you know we we're born and we die um but eric weinstein was just on a podcast yesterday talking about this and even he admits that he he's of the same camp where it's it seems like there is no such thing as linear time so that would have to mean if we're in an eternal system that it's cyclical so what i what i think about the the way that they went about things was one thing is in common with with everything that we see see here is is they're all aligned to celestial events and they're all aligned in ways that

don't make sense just for farming like you don't align something to Orion or serious because it's it's Orion season for crops that just doesn't happen so there's some something going on with that that has a link to time because they measured these things in ridiculously long scales every single one of them so in my opinion I think that They had found a way to navigate that world using physical objects as like literally a clock. Because we do that too. You know, we can make a geometric shape that confines and keeps a pulse resonating at a certain, that's an atomic clock.

It just keeps time that way through resonance. So if they were doing that on just scale it up, that's all I'm trying to show with my videos is we just scale it up and it looks exactly like what we're building right now. Maybe they were, you know, they just had a different way of manipulating time because that's what we're doing with our computers too. They just make our knowledge accessing knowledge faster. I can get on the internet and I can figure something out in two seconds, right? What if they could do that with their consciousness and they didn't need a device?

They could just connect to that stream of information. And that was them putting the address into Google. and figuring out where to go their Google was the hardware they they could just wait until certain things lined up and then that would make a line through this cyclical time to go back and see some information or go through space because the you know the time lined up and it shrank time when you shrink time there's no space so you're instantly there um the physics of it just melt my mind and like it's it's fun to talk about but my what i'm interested in is like really testing a lot of this stuff out now. That's kind of where I'm moving into is, you know,

doing maybe some rapid prototyping of how do these things interact in magnetic fields? How do they interact with, you know, human consciousness? What are we looking at scientifically instead of just a beautiful monument that someone says housed all the King's achievements? That's not what it is. I think that they could navigate that like we navigate using GPS, but they just used, you know, celestial stuff to as as their their guides as far as the construction goes that that just melts your mind that's like i always say it's the gateway drug into this stuff because whenever i post something about it it's people who aren't engineers are like oh that's easy to do you know i worked in construction and i was a mechanical engineer before i went into computer engineering so i had to

take all the physics classes and i was i restored historic buildings for my window cleaning company so we'd have to call people in to move heavy shit sometimes or we'd have to get heavy equipment towed into a place and like when you when you look at logistics like there are certain places in a parking lot you can't drop a lift like a boom lift because the ground will cave in and you'll fly off the lift right so when you think about that and you think about how our roads are engineered and how our infrastructure is built now as as the most advanced civilization that's been here I if I can't get my lift that would be lifting the size of that rock somewhere because the ground's going to cave in then how do you explain how they move that up a mountain and over you know miles and rivers and like all of this stuff so that's why I I've been focusing less on that not because it's not interesting because when you see it it it's if you see it in person it will convince you that's that's really it if you go to Egypt and you go to the walls the crow or the osirian or uh the serapian with the giant boxes you will just there's no words you can't

you just want to touch it because it's like how'd you do this and there's like dense and things like that shouldn't be rocks shouldn't be dented like it just is a wild experience but that to me that was the gateway for me like during covid when my business was uh going down i didn't have i didn't have a lot of you know things to do so i just watched a bunch of documentaries i watch bam I'm sure you probably saw that one. Those are the, yeah. That one, that one was like, that one took me back because I didn't think that we didn't have a good explanation

for how the pyramids were built. I was like, it's 2020. We have to know, right? And then you just go down that rabbit hole. And then it's like, okay, so we don't actually know shit. And it's fun to watch people's reaction. And then I kind of judge where the conversation goes after they see it. If they're just like, oh, cool, like, all right, you just.

Yeah, right over your head, huh? Some people are just like, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's, something was here. But I do think it was us. I think it was, I think we were just at a level, maybe with some assistance. And when I say assistance, I don't mean like an alien popping down and like magically lifting the block in place. What I think is, I think maybe they were able to connect to a source of information through, the psychedelic experiences that maybe opened up a channel for a higher intelligence to communicate and maybe give some secrets or lend some knowledge to the cause.

And we just kept developing on that and it got to the point where we didn't really need that help. And we were kind of orchestrating things to a certain extent. And if you look at all of the, you know, all of the sacred texts, we got a little too cocky with that and we tried to do stuff that we were not in a position to do. And yeah, I think the planet kind of bucked us off there. It was like, you can't do this because if you go with that theory, there has to be some sort of way that these things are interacting with the planet too. And the planet, in my opinion, is at least somewhat conscious. I feel like it's a system that knows what's

going on. Obviously, there's a lot of moving parts. But I feel like it does have a defense mechanism. And if it feels things are getting too unstable, if there's something, you know, if you're, you've got a mosquito bite and it itches really bad, you're going to itch it until it bleeds, you know? So maybe the planet had a little bit of a had a little bit of an allergic reaction to what we were doing because it maybe would have destabilized it too much to where we wouldn't ever have life here again. So any intervention in that sense, I feel like is either a defense response of the planet for, you know, as far as the cat. radicalism goes and then as far as the help goes I really do think that it's it was more of a conscious thing because I think it probably would have scared dude if an alien landed in the street out in front of my house right now I would I would be prepared for it but I'd still be terrified dude you can't you can't plan for that so so I feel like if they were going to help

they wouldn't show up and do you know shake hands with world leaders I feel like they would influence through a way that's more a little bit more finesse with that. Yeah, I think that makes sense. They wouldn't play the political game. Yeah. I had a question for you as well. A lot of these, you know, like, and we've seen this recently with the spiral-like structure and how far, you know, these tubes go down and that, you know, there's talks about there's

water and then, all right, the water is there, but it's about resonance and it's about, you know, electrical output and things like that. And a lot of people think that the modern day explanation with where we're at with energy systems and fossil fuels and all that is, well, it had to have been for energy. You know, there's free energy or is this kind of energy, that kind of thing. I also understand through harmonics frequency and the substances we've been talking about, like there's a healing energy that happens in the right harmonics as well. But I'm curious, one thing that stands out is that a lot of these, you can see it, like they'll show a motherboard next to Tio-Tewa-Con, or they'll show. show, you know, kind of these different, the way the different pyramids are set up with electronics and how it looks like a computer chip or it looks like a motherboard and they're built

almost in the exact same way. I'm sure you've come across this stuff on Instagram as well. Like, what are your thoughts there in terms of like the, the, you know, potential like a grid of the, of the earth itself or like what is the reasoning behind that you think? So I'll give you like my elevator pitch with this. I think that when you talk about this, it's nuanced. So, you know, there's a lot of theories on the pyramid generating some sort of energy, whether that's chemical or, you know, harnessing plasma in some way. There's definitely tests that show that it can, you know, it focuses electromagnetic energy into the earth.

It doesn't project it out. But I do think that every civilization had its role, right? Because you don't see, you don't see Greece and Rome. They were not building pyramids. They have little baby ones for monuments, but they weren't building on the scale of Teot-Tu-Kon or Egypt. right or even in the in the uh pacific islands there's pyramids there too they weren't doing that uh but what we do see is a theme with each region right so the way i've split it up and the way i i look at things now is what were they good at in terms of if i was thinking of this as a

university what which you know building would this be is this this is the economics building and this one's the engineering building and this one is the cafeteria right like there's there's different things in a in a university that make it work so each one of these places had a very specific set of knowledge in the pacific islands and in mexico and the amazon what do we see we see a bunch of vegetation and plants and agriculture and advanced levels of engineering in the crop sense that we've ever seen pre today that we can just, you know, adjust genes, which is probably horrible, but they seem to be able, they seem to have a knowledge that surpassed what we're guessing with right now in terms of crops. So they seem to be like the, the farmer, you know,

building of the university. Whereas Greece and Rome at the time, I'm talking ancient Greece, St. Jerome. They were about, you know, philosophy. They were, they were about how do we organize society, democracy, politics, how do we make the world operates to where we're not killing each other and ideas can be spread and we can rule in a way that everybody is cool with. So they kind of encoded that into their architecture. And then you have Egypt, which is about developing consciousness like developing the ability to connect your mind with your feelings and rule that way right and and have the knowledge in an intuitive sense so where your your physical vehicle has the has the powers of the you know the higher minds but that you've installed into

your personal ecosystem and then you have india which is blatantly quantum like every every founder almost of quantum science was into eastern mysticism at some point like a little bit most of the the great ideas like Tesla and Niels Bohr like all of them were were deeply into the Vedas and they I think pulled some things out of those texts that resonated with their mind in a way that they could open up a channel for that information to come out and now we have AC power, right? So there's certain things that you would get with each one of those places and those civilizations. They were experts at some thing. And then you had places like Nalanda and libraries of Alexandria where all of that information would congregate. And you would send your

best people like we do to the best universities to get that information so that your society can apply it and it's a very own special way. And so I think they were doing something. things similar to what we are doing, we're just looking at it from a lens that it was either all a religious cultural temple setting or it was somehow generating power and doing all of this stuff. And they blanket it to everything. And they're like, well, Hodes Karnak generate power. It's a temple. You know, I'm like missing the point here. And so I don't have, I don't have a lot of time on short form to cover all this, right? But to me, that just makes sense that you would, you would you would have people that are very good at certain things you know like we were we were

very good at industrializing a hundred years ago and then we made that happen and you know other areas in the world were good at other things and we kind of blended all of their knowledge in one country and the result is we have a very eclectic society that does a lot of things but if you go to you know if you go to Egypt or if you go to certain countries, they're usually hyper-specific and hyper-good at one thing and they dabble in others. And that's the way I see that. You know, like the Vedic civilization seems to be very focused on like quantum secrets and like how the macro and the micro are working together and meshing all that like in the

physical world. And I think that if we look at them like they're actually. experts in their own genres, then it'll make a lot more sense than if we blend them all together. Hell yeah. No, I love that idea. That definitely resonates thinking a bit more on the world plane. And also not a fan of like these guys existed siloed from the rest of the world. I think there's enough evidence to show like even there, I forget Graham Hancock with somebody was talking about how there's an indigenous culture in North America that use the pea shooters with poison darts, which is only the tribe on the planet was in the Amazon, right?

So, like, clearly they had come down to learn from that or it was brought up to them, right? So, like, there's, we were mobile, right? We were mobile between the Americas, we were mobile all over the world. You know, if it existed, you know, they say, some people say that the, and American Indians were from Lemoria, right? So, like, that's a potential that there is other continent was there. And then they, you know, sea dwelling were able to get across to it. and start whether that's true or not doesn't matter but they did carry a certain level of knowledge

and when you think of like the the the the lidar popping up of how many pyramids there are across the Amazon and that the potential of the entire Amazon being manmade like just let that sink in for a second if you've ever been in the Amazon and you pull it up on fucking Google Earth and you see how far that shit is from the west coast of Peru to the east coast of Brazil and say if this was made by man holy shit and that there was pyramids all along the fucking way with hundreds of thousands of people operating in these cities like can understand that for a second right like that's like a whole different like new york existed a hundredfold over already like we look at new york in paris and like this shit was already here it was here in the

amazon you know and and harmonious not only that though but like if you if you've ever I've never been, but I've researched the Amazon probably more than almost any other topic that I like looking into. You can't go into the Amazon. Like you can't, it's impassable that they can't fly in certain places because if they crash then everyone's dead, they can't get out of the Amazon and no one can rescue them. Like it is one of the most difficult places to access on earth. And the people that live there have to have extremely.

specialized knowledge of the area because if you eat something bad or if you go into the territory of a leopard you're also dead you know there's so many booby traps in the amazon that if it is man-made then those people had to have like they had to have engineered a system because clearly they were getting to other places they had huge cities you know clearly they they were able to find the correct paths through that make their ways make the roads and connect all of these little nodes, you know, these pyramids and stuff together and form this giant garden, like this giant garden community and just live there. And to me, this is where this is where a lot of like the traditional narrative falls apart to is because if it is engineered, then they had to have

been working together at such a level that it was, it was continental, you know, it was, there was an entire mindset that this that the the whole society had to make that work and uh i think there's like a little a little stopgap in time there where it was that and then it became the people who were living there after this whatever happened the people that were after that just really liked killing each other like that was that was just the age aries was you know aries was rough man like that was a lot of there's a lot of empires and a lot of like they glorified the the warrior mindset there so I think that before that it was just you know we all we all love each other and we want to make this garden and then

the shift happened and then we enter the age of yeah we're not doing that anymore I'm taking all your shit and that seems to be a global a global theme and yet again it's like the temple thing we just whenever I talk about it or anyone else talks about it the first thing they go to is like well then why'd they behead people or why did they They do these horrible things. And I'm like, that's why you have to understand time. Then you have to look into time because there's an age for this. And that's the theme of the age.

And like, so it's, there's so many levels to this, dude. It's like you can't, you can't focus on one, one topic and sound sane. You have to get on a podcast and talk about all of them. You're screwed up there together. It's been dope. Talk about what you're teaching now. You got, you have a course or a community. Talk a bit about that and what you're teaching and some of the stuff that you're offering there.

Yeah. So the books I write are kind of like the megalis. They're like a gateway drug into my mindset. And what we do in the school is, so it's two parts. It's kind of my research team. I give little things that I'm looking into to everybody there to kind of explore and see what we all come up with. And then I also teach how to essentially see things like I see them. different different methods and techniques for doing that I have some like custom sound

meditations that I've made and things to help you kind of just get in more of a connection with what we've been talking about this entire time and it doesn't require psychedelics or anything obviously but just just the methods that I've used over the years like for example there's a I always call this like a window right before you go to sleep where I feel like the best ideas come you know like you got one foot in the door of that world and one foot in this world and to, uh, to kind of like prolong that a little bit, uh, using, you know, breath work and stuff and like open that gate so that you can get more insights.

So just stuff like that where, where, um, I, I just really want people to fall in love with being here again. I, I, my whole college career and high school career, everyone's like, it feel like this world is a prison, you know, and, and I don't like that mindset. I never felt like that myself. And, um, and I feel like there's just like a lack of, of people, being connected to that source and the infinite beauty that you could be paying attention to, but we all put these blinders up when we're obsessed with paying rent and everything we have to do. So I wanted to make a little oasis where people could explore these weird ideas and not feel judged for talking about them.

I have live streams every week. So if you're gone through, you know, like trying to learn the gateway program or something and lucid dream, we can all be like, yeah, tell me your experiences because none of my friends want to talk about that. So I hope that this is a space that people can feel safe and, you know, expressing what they actually feel deep down inside and what they maybe aren't able to talk to with their friends and family. So there's that. And then, yeah, it has a bunch of courses and stuff. I have a sacred geometry course where I show you how to draw everything.

And then I walk you through what it means as I'm drawing it, like the philosophy behind it, how it applies to science. just things like that that they probably would have taught in like you know plato's time the OG the OG courses so yeah there's a bunch of stuff on that and yeah a bunch of cool people phenomenal brother we'll link to everything in the show knows but where where's the website where people can find you and then um instagram course yeah that's uh baseforge. us website and uh that's my handle on everything youtube is baseford underscore us trying to get a little more to long form and do more podcasts so that people don't think I'm absolutely bad shit so well dude thank you so much Tyler it's been a pleasure we'll do it again we'll do it face to

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