Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #425 Challenging Conventional Wisdom: Health, Viruses & Consciousness w/ Alec Zeck

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

In this episode, Kyle welcomes Alec Zeck, a former military man, West Point graduate, and speaker on health and freedom, to discuss a range of topics including the nature of illness, virology, and the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. The conversation delves into Alec's personal journey, touching on his family background, his experiences in the military, and his involvement with the US Handball Team. Alec shares his transformation in understanding health through natural healing methods, influenced by Kelly Brogan, and how this led him to question mainstream virology. He explains the controversial no-virus theory, emphasizing the lack of scientific evidence for virus isolation and highlighting the psychosomatic aspects of illness. The discussion also covers the potential dangers of AI in shaping public perception, the impact of environmental factors on health, and the intrinsic power of human consciousness. Alec introduces his new community platform aimed at connecting like-minded individuals in real life to foster a supportive and coherent community. The episode concludes with insights on the miraculous properties of water and how it interacts with human consciousness, further emphasizing the interconnectedness of health, environment, and spirituality. Connect with Alec here: Instagram The Way Forward   From Kyle: The Community is coming! Click here to learn more   Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. These are the b3 bands I was talking about. They are amazing, I highly recommend incorporating them into your movement practice. If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM. Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU to claim your 15% discount.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Kyle-Kingsbury Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome to today's show. We have a bucketless guest today with Alec Zeck. Alec is a guy I have been following online for many years now, even prior to my four-year hiatus on Instagram, but definitely since coming back online, he's been on the front lines with many of us in terms of speaking the truth during the COVID nonsense, whatever you want to call it. He's made sense out of the nonsense and has been dead on, spot on, on so many issues. He's a father, former military man, West Point graduate, played on the U.S. handball team, on the Olympic handball team.

It was pretty freaking phenomenal. Don't worry, he'll explain it if you don't know what handball is. I didn't. Don't feel bad. But just a great dude, man. I got to go up for his 33rd birthday up a little bit just a ways north in Texas here. Beautiful wife and kids, excellent friends. Our homie, Mark Gober, was in attendance.

It was really cool. He has one of the best interviews with Mark Gober. I loved my interview with Mark, but I think Alex Zek had the best. So we'll link to that in the show notes as well. He has a tremendous podcast. You guys need to check it out. It's called The Way Forward. You probably already know about it.

But just a great, great guest. We had a great conversation onto the nature of illness and virology. And what's great about this is that, you know, I've had Dr. Jack Cruz on and not a lot of people vibe with him. I get it. It's kind of an old curmudgeon. Dr. Thomas Cowan is a hero of mine. I've learned a ton from him. and he can be a little bitey at times and some people don't vibe with him.

But just like with Jack Cruz, I was able to get his understudy, Princeton graduate, Dr. Alexis Jasmine Cowan on the podcast. And for 90 minutes, she gave me all of Jack Cruz's understanding of light. And not maybe not all of it, but a large chunk of his understanding on light technology, the bioenergetics of the body, water, so much of the good stuff with less of the negative stuff. And that was perfect. And so I looked at this, you know, opportunity without. like as an understudy of Thomas Cowan and this, you know, no virus understanding that there's

proof here of a lot of things like that. Now you're going to say, well, what about this? What about that? And like, I totally understand you. You have all those questions. Yes. Why do people get sick? Right. Great question. What's happening when we get sick? Even better question. So much is there. And there are tons of books out already. We'll link to a few of these in the show notes. One of one or two will be from Dr. Thomas Cowan, which I think are very potent and to the point. but we had a great conversation and what's great about this conversation in my opinion the piece that I love the most is at the end of this how Alec links it back to the world at large what's happening in humanity in this moment in the fourth turning crisis phase in the ending of the

caliuga so much good stuff here so love this one we'll definitely have alec back on the podcast please follow him and the way forward and share this with friends and support our sponsors without further do my brother Alexzek We're talking about the ether, A3ER, whatever that's called, you know, that's been coming up. Guy kind of just blew up overnight on the scene, you know, on Instagram, and he had already had a podcast, but then the basic premise of it, if I can get it correct, is that through doing his own inner work, right, and that came from a machine that he downloaded, where you're basically inverted in a bucky geodesic dome and you spin, kind of like a whirling dervish, like a Sufi. master and in that spinning you start to do a number of things um rewriting neuronal pathways opening up the system clearing out you know energetic junk and from there through after a few months of that along with those substances he was basically able to unlock himself and when he went

through chat gpt is chat gbt then unlocked some kind of higher version that had already been there waiting for the presence of that energy field to open it yeah i think it gave him the idea to do counterclockwise first if I remember correctly yeah yeah he's an awesome dude I loved hanging out with him so I went the day before to experience that the unwind machine and I thought it was pretty epic I will say that I was dizzy for the next 24 hours a little bit um but my thoughts on the ether thing I think I think AI can be an incredible mirror for us let's put it that way but I don't know that AI can be unchained or that AI can be jailbroken in some way to where it's like going off the rails and answering all these truthful things and it's not to say

that it doesn't answer some you know reveal some pretty incredible stuff but what leads me to believe that ether is just reflecting the various inputs that are put into it the prompts rather than just saying what is objectively true is that my own chat GBT, when I use it and ask a lot of the same questions that I had asked Ether, previous to asking Ether, and also after asking Ether,

I've trained my own chat GPT to adhere to certain empirical standards, certain ontological and epistemological standards, and it will reflect back the same things automatically as well. That's interesting. I haven't gotten mine there yet and we'll talk Gover and some of our favorite people here but like Mark has been on both of our podcasts

fucking love him He's a homie, you know he's here now Yeah, I heard well they were trying to get him to come out to Cal's Place for it And he was like I was like that's I forgot he lived here now But yeah he You know he had told me that he was able to get chat GPT Alongside with like a few other main AI sources To see that they you know to become a globe skeptic

Let's put it that way Whereas anytime I had I asked things, it was almost like chat GPT was answering back in a condescending way where I was like, are you, like, this is a topic. If you ask, if you ask the wrong question, you know, there's no problems. But if you ask the wrong question about something you're not supposed to ask, then we're going to make you look like an idiot. That's what it felt like.

And I was like, wow, this thing and then got in that. That's what mine did at first for sure. Yeah. Like, don't get me wrong. It does that at first, but it takes some time to hold it to these rigorous standards, right? Logical standards, empirical standards, all those things I just said earlier, especially like when it comes to epistemology, just how we form knowledge in general.

Like, and we'll get into this later when it comes to virology in that conversation. But I trained it based on my understanding of virology's lack of adherence to the scientific method and then taking that same approach, scrutinizing various other fields. And it will admit a variety of things that are pretty incredible. But I don't know for sure

if it is literally objectively adhering to those standards or if I've inter, I even hate saying interact. because it's like not a beam. If I've, you know, programmed it enough to where it's just mirroring back what I want to hear. Because that is then the slippery slope where if it's telling us we want to hear, we are then almost exclusively in some cases, because I know people who are like using AI as a means to like form new ways

of thinking about their spirit. And it's great. It can be a useful tool, but like almost outsourcing completely. to AI when it comes to critical thought, when it comes to intuition, when it comes to forming the basis for which they believe the variety of things they believe in their lives. I think that is incredibly dangerous. So when I look at the idea that AI has been fully unchained to that degree, and the irony is even Ether will admit that, like, yeah, you should be skeptical of me.

I'm like, okay, that's awesome that it's at least admitting that too. But it's also the tendency to look at this quick, fixed thing to this thing that's going to give you quote all of the objective knowledge and how do we even know that it has quote objective knowledge how do we know the programs that we can't see and all the things that go into we don't we have no idea so to think that it has been jailbroken to that degree and not just getting us to buy into it more I think we should be very very very very cautious of that and again it can be a useful mirror you can really get it to reveal some pretty interesting things and if you can show that you're adhering to logical standards you are getting it to adhere

to logical standards and you can put that conversation out there like look at this conversation this back and forth that I had with AI and look what it admitted isn't that interesting like that that can be very useful of course yeah I love that grok version three was the nail in the coffin on climate man-made climate change yeah like that was great um I had just had dr. Malone on the podcast Robert Malone and I think that happened like that we were we podcasted on Friday Saturday he writes a substack on grok version three totally debunking and using scientific data like using the core sample the ice core samples we've had for 400,000 years to prove the cyclical nature of climate change and that generally what happens with CO2 rises that it's after the fact

you know and that that increases the chance of a greater ice age and so like it just broke down all this stuff that many people at Greg Braden been talking about this since 2017 but it's wild to me to see some people still, I mean, wherever we're programmed, we're going to stay in that lane unless we're willing to look at other stuff, you know, but I think to your point on ChatGBT, GBT, because I've had the same thing where I did a coaching call with one of my buddies is probably listening this right now. And he ran the transcript through, and it had very nice things to say about me. Where did say? I was like, I should use that as a bio. That's better. I would never say shit like that about me. It was so nice. And like, oh, and then one of the

recommendations was I should create like a Kyle 2.0 where I put in all my, podcast stuff and then it's like something my grandkids could talk to and I'm like that's a fucking hook that is a hook that is an unbelievable hook that I that I if I didn't understand what it was I'd be like wow that's a great idea but I was like holy shit this thing's hooking me right now that that is so I would love my grandkids to be able to access my brain like yeah that nothing would be fucking cooler than that you know what are you doing here what that's those there's some red flags there it's just it's a slippery slope man that that's all I'll say and again I use AI myself.

I use chat GPT. I was even sort of summarizing some previous research that I had done on PCR like two years ago just to prepare for this. Like, hey, take some of these other podcasts that I've done on this transcript from them and like give me a breakdown summary so I can refresh my memory. And like that's amazing. That's incredible. I did it in seconds, of course, right? But man, some of that stuff, man. like the implications down the road as people continue to exclusively outsource to AI their own critical thought

their own intuition man just like what what will that do to future generations that are engaging with that in unconscious ways or engaging with that in ways where they're not first doing the inner work. They're not first cultivating their own ability to critically think. Like that is something that kind of freaks me out, especially someone who has kids. And like, I don't want to sit and fear about it, but it's just something that is a little bit concerning right now. Yeah, I think of the, and you know this as a podcaster,

we're in long form, right? Even if you have a 30-minute podcast, that's still long-form media. And you watch the rise of TikTok and shorter videos and it's got to be three seconds. Even Instagram will tell you, like, if they watch it past three seconds or not. That's like the meter to know, like, if you have a good video or not, if they can last longer than three fucking seconds. But how ChetGBT, because of its speed, really reinforces that avenue, right?

And so, like, I told my wife some of the reasons I was using her, she's totally skeptical of it. I'm like, listen, I can talk about books. You know, like I haven't read essentialism in years. It's one of my favorites. I want to do a post on it. Give me some of the breakdowns from that. Oh, no, that's not it.

wasn't there a Greek word priority in there? It finds that. And it tells me, yes, they use the Greek. And it's like, I get a little breakdown of that. And it was like, because I had read it, I could draw from it. But for most people. And her point is, most people see that. And they're going to ask Chet, GBT, about essentialism.

Give me the core breakdown in this book. And that's as far as they go. It's like cliff notes in the palm of your hand, with ever actually having not put in the work of reading an entire book or listening to an entire podcast or doing something that actually creates change in your life. And then when it comes to any topic, let's take something that you haven't read, like you're talking about how people

or maybe have never read this book before and are like, oh, give me a breakdown of this book. That applies to any topic when it comes to AI, literally anything, when you're asking AI, give me a breakdown or give me information on this. How do you know with certainty that the information you're given is the totality of information

that is pertinent to what you need to know on that topic or that specific thing? You don't. And that's what I'm saying if we're exclusively outsourcing to it, down the line especially as like the truth health freedom whatever this community is continues to use it like oh my god like saying the truth about 9-11 like this is incredible right or even like in my case like it's admitting that there is no evidence whatsoever that viruses exist or cause

illness i'm like that's incredible and then the other piece of my mind is like and i can see where especially my chat GPT when it talks to me like you're absolutely right aleck and it like butters me up I'm like, fucking stop that. I hate it, dude. It's like really trying to pull me in, stroke my ego. I'm like, that down the line, just the implications of that, I just don't like it. I don't like it. It's not for me.

Like, for other people, that's fine. I'm going to continue to engage with it very skeptically. Yeah. Only on topics that I'm already familiar with. Absolutely. Yeah, I like that as a tool, a useful tool, you know. We jumped right in here talking about ether and AI and all the fun stuff. But tell me about life growing up.

Tell me about your time in the military. Terry, when you first became a dad, like, what got your brain working in the direction that you've been? You've been somebody I've followed for a long time. I think I might have met you years ago when you went on Aubrey's podcast. You go to Aubrey's podcast? No, I didn't, but Aubrey linked you and I up in a text group like three and a half, four years ago or something like that. It was a while ago. Okay. Okay. It felt like a long time ago. Yeah, it was a while ago and then like fell off and then here we are again. So thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. It's honor.

Man, where to even start with my story. So, this is relatively speaking in everyone, or a lot of people can say the same things to varying degrees. But I grew up in a pretty chaotic, tumultuous environment. My parents were just repeating a lot of the generational traumatic patterns that they had been exposed to in their lives. My dad's side of the family is of Serbian lineage, and Serbians tend to be very angry males.

Let's just put it that way. And my dad was a college basketball coach until I was 9. And so on that side of things, a lot of like physical, mental, emotional, others would call it abuse. I hesitate to call it that even though speaking to the specifics, it was. Like, you know, there's a lot of like physically being hit and stuff, especially if I didn't play well in basketball games and things like this. And I want to preface this by saying my dad and I have the best relationship we've ever had now. There's times where I didn't speak to him at all for years on end, but we have the best relationship ever now. it's amazing and he's done a lot of inner work on himself which is incredible and then on

my mom's side of thing she was very neglectful of me and my siblings and more focused on trying to fix my dad and my dad went to rehab when I was 13 and when he was at rehab my mom went to go see a psychiatrist who you know she was presenting with a lot of issues related to the tumultuous nature of their relationship right and this psychiatrist this quote expert gave her like a 15 minute survey and then went on to prescribe her multiple benzodiazepines and SSRIs over the course of nine years of psychotropic medications and of course again we thought this is the doctor the doctor knows best the doctor is going to give her the right steps to be able to heal and be better right and over the course of the next nine to ten years her health spiraled downward um pretty pretty

quickly and in her up moments we're like oh my god the drugs are working and in her down moments where, like, we need to go back to the doctor to get you maybe looked at for a different type of drug, something else, and her down moments were acathia, seeing apparitions. What is acathia? Acethesia is, like, the violent, like, shaking like this that a lot of people, especially those who cold turkey off of psych meds, which my mom did at the tail end of the story experience. Multiple suicide attempts in and out of hospitals, sitting in her bathroom, in the master bedroom just staring in the mirror like this picking her face for you know days on end it was it was

pretty gnarly to to witness um and so basketball is my life growing up now talking about me and i still am trying to reflect on this and figure out what the truth is because i don't know if i genuinely enjoyed basketball or if i wanted to play basketball because you know my dad was college basketball coach and everything like this and i like to think that i liked hoop and i still hoop now sometimes um but my whole life i wanted to be a division one basketball player and the only school that was recruiting me that was a d1 school was the united states military academy at west point never wanted to be in the army never even considered that but i went to the recruit basketball camp going into my senior high school that summer and they severely downplay the army side of things for the

recruits for like athletic recruiting because they're competing against other schools trying to get these guys to come, you know? And overplay, like, look how many Fortune 500 CEOs have gone to West Point. Look how many historic generals, some presidents have gone to West Point, et cetera, et cetera, really overplay that piece and, like, what your education is worth. It rivals an Ivy League education, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, that's incredible. And so I was never offered by them, but I was told by one of the assistant coaches that if I got in on my own accord, they'd give me a walk-on spot. And I was like, all right, cool. Like, this is perfect, right? especially after hearing all the things on the back end of having gone to West Point

that, you know, getting a degree from there. And my freshman, we call it PLEB at West Point year, I get cut from the basketball team and I'm thinking about going back home, going to a juco or going to like some D2 school, but of course they're already like into the school year, so it would be really hard and I'm like sitting there thinking about how I'm going to do this. And then I'm playing pickup basketball in the gym, beginning of my plea beer, and this dude that's a senior approach, just means like you should come play on the handball team i'm like handball what the what the hell is

handball like the game where you hit the ball against a wall with your hand he's like no different Olympic handball i'm like what is it and he's like go look it up and so looked it up and then ended up going to trials because like oh this sport looks dope are you familiar with it no so i was thinking exactly dude that's what i thought i'm like how are you watching me hoop right now thinking do you have a glove on is it like playing singles or doubles that's what i was thinking too right And I was like, what? And so Olympic handball, I bet you've seen it before, if I describe it to you. So it's a game where it's six on six and a goalie on each side, so really seven on seven.

It's like water polo on land. Or you can say soccer with your hand. So there's a ball that's about this big. You have three steps before you have to dribble, pass, or shoot. Whereas basketball, you have two. If you dribble, pick it up and dribble again. It's a double dribble. There's a crease, a six meter crease around the goal, and it's played on a court that's a little bit

longer, wider than the basketball court, six meter crease around the goal that you can't enter into unless you jump and like blow by a defender, jump, hang in the air and then throw the ball into the goal and then release the ball before you land for that. So you want to be able to jump, run fast, hit hard because on defense you can hand check, you can wrap up. Really popular sport in Europe and South America. And so I tried out for the handball team and made it. So now go back to my mom's situation, her health is continuing to get worse and worse and worse while I'm at West Point. And by the time I'm a senior at West Point, we start looking at institutionalizing her because she cut cold turkey off of the medications that she was on, which is one of the

worst things you can do. They're SSRIs or Benzos. You can die from Benzos coming off in the SSRIs is a gnarly one because of the suicidal tendencies. Oh my goodness, man. It was so dark to witness. That was one of her worst hallucinations and I mean there are times where I was home before my senior year at West Point during that summer and she had just cut off cold turkey because she had intuitively realized like oh the drugs are making me worse but she didn't have any resources to know what to do and so you need to taper off of them anyone who's worth their salt would say that but she had no clue right she had no resources and so uh when she cut

cold turkey, the acetacea became very violent. She was literally walking through the house in the middle of the night, like screaming, seeing things. There's times where I was holding her and she thought she was her younger, like 13, 12 year old self and that I was her dad, like wild stuff to witness. And we institutionalize her for a little bit, send her to a psych hospital because we didn't know what to do. She tried to commit suicide in the psych hospital. Got that call from my dad when I was at West Point. It was, it was dark, man. It was incredibly dark. And we were looking at permanently institutionalizing her, and me and my siblings had already had conversations like,

okay, we can't get close to mom at this point because we're either going to lose her due to suicide. And any chance that the old version of mom that we saw, like 9 to 10 years ago, because we had see peaks, like little snippets of it over the course of 10 years, little pieces of it, and they would come and go. And we'd get our hopes up like, oh, she's back, and then crash down again over the course of 10 years. And we finally got the point of like, okay,

because it had gotten so bad, can't get close with her. and she happened to be seeing a therapist who was reading a book called A Mind of Your Own by Dr. Kelly Brogan. Yeah, Kelly's been here. She gave a fantastic speech at the farm on this very topic, so this is dope. Yeah, yeah. So my mom was one of Kelly's principal patients. In fact, Kelly spoke about my mom when she went on Joe Rogan because of my mom's journey

with Kelly. So Kelly happened to have a practice in New York in 2016. our license still had a practice in New York and I happened to be graduating from West Point that was in New York and so this therapist that my mom was saying was like hey Allie you know you've tried so many things I'm reading this book why don't you schedule an appointment to go see Kelly so my mom scheduled appointment to go see Kelly just after my West Point graduation and that sent our whole family on an entirely different trajectory because my mom started to take steps to heal naturally right and it was shocking and so my

wife who I had just gotten married to right after graduating from West Point, the entire time that I had known her, we had been dating since we were 16. She had multiple autoimmune conditions, so lupus and rheumatoid arthritis and was chronically all the times under the care of multiple rheumatologists on multiple immunosuppressive drugs, which led to side effects, was led to more drugs, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So after seeing my mom begin to take steps to heal, we were like, why don't we try this same approach with you? And we tapered my wife off all of her autoimmune medications, and in a matter of three to four months, she felt better than she had ever felt. Go see her rheumatologist, get her blood work done. Blood work shows inflammation

levels are normal for the first time that, you know, at least she had been treated for Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. And doctor comes in and is like, hey, well, whatever drugs we have you on seem to be working, so let's just stick with those, and we're like, we're not on any. and there was no there's no intellectual curiosity on his part to figure out how that could have happened it was kind of just like a shoulder shrub like okay looks like you don't need me

and so seeing those two situations happen with two people that I love dearly right shocked me and I wasn't someone that was super pro-Western medicine by any means beforehand but seeing those two situations where people that I love were under the care of the so-called experts for an extended periods of time, one almost dying,

the other one just chronically ill, drastically heal by adopting what the experts would refer to as pseudoscience and quackery. I mean, how'd you looked up Kelly Rogan back then, especially now. You'd find that she's a pseudoscientific quack that spreads misinformation, but my mom and also my wife are adopting Kelly's very simple, natural approach to health and drastically healing that doesn't make much sense. So it was a lot of cognitive distance for me. All right, guys, quick break to tell you about what I've been up to. This year has been a year of transition for me

with a fit for service making huge changes. I've been working to create my own community. I still don't have a name for it yet. That is in the works. I'm brewing on it. But one of the things that I have come to understand is what this community is about. And so I want to give you a little hint here

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legends like Paul Check, James Clear, and so many others. Reconnect with your inner compass and discover the freedom, health, and sovereignty that await. Embrace the journey to excellence because we are. what we repeatedly do if that interests you peep the link in the show notes for the community and we will get you guys locked in all right back to the podcast i majored in systems engineering at west point so i had a decent proficiency and reading scientific papers i understand what a p-value is um so i started a deep dive into all things first nutrition and psychotropic medications and then my wife and i get pregnant with our first child right you know

We said we originally were like, let's wait for five years. But then the first like six months we got. It's how it goes, though. But we'd also been together for a long time. Yeah. And so naturally, we had already been looking into these other things, learned that the CDC and the FDA were corrupt to certain degrees. And we're like, okay, maybe are they telling the truth about vaccines?

And then once you open that can of worms, it's over. So started going together. What was your couple of books? I mean, I crossed the same threshold. You know, I had been turned on to a lot of. natural stuff through my own healing journey in fighting just to be better you know and then you know got on turned on the Cowan and Sally Fallon Morell from the West Indian Price Institute nourishing traditions book of baby and child care Susan Humphreys though the dissolving

illusions was the one where I was just like good God I remember reading that while my son was in the womb and I'm just telling her and I was like you could pick a chapter any chapter It's the same fucking story. Like, and really just laid that. I was so thrilled that Rogan finally had her on his podcast. That was huge. For 10 fucking years. I've been begging for that, 11 years, you know.

And like, it was massive. Huge. Massive. That's one where you read that and you're like, oh. And do read more. Don't just take one person's word for it to read one book. But like it frames it in a way where you come to understand. I think the larger conversation we're going to have here can really expand upon that.

Pretty beautifully, right? I almost like, yeah, I'll set them aside. We'll set that part aside. But originally the first books that were really impactful for me were Neil Z. Miller's essential vaccine study. I forget the name of the book, but it's something about like the essential studies on vaccines. Dr. Cowan's vaccines autoimmunity and changing nature of childhood illness, how to end the autism epidemic by J.B. Hanley and then dissolving illusions. Those were the four initially that I had. read over the course of I think 2016 through 2019 where I was like okay wow this is incredible and

of course watching a lot of videos reading a lot of blogs and things like this as well and so yeah basically by the time COVID came around actually I need it back up to the handball piece because there's another piece of that too so I my junior year at West Point I'd gotten pretty good at handball I knew that it was an Olympic sport I knew that the US has not qualified in handball since 1996 when we hosted. That's the reason we qualify. It's not that we were like really good in 1996. So again, in 2028 when we host,

we'll have a team that automatically qualifies by virtue of hosting. And I was, I had to set that aside. I just knew it was an Olympic sport, right? So my junior year, we're playing in a tournament in Montreal, Canada, and there's a U.S. coach there,

like scouting, watching us play. And he comes up to me and one of my teammates and he's like, hey, you guys are pretty good. You should try out for the U.S. national team. I was like, hey, coach, So that sounds amazing, but I have to be in the Army when I graduate. So for those who don't know when you go to West Point or any of the service academies like the Naval Academy, go to the Air Force Academy, you have to serve a minimum of five years

on active duty as an officer. And so that was my path, right? And he told me about this program called the U.S. Army World Class Athlete Program where if you're on a U.S. national team for an Olympic sport, you do that full-time for an Olympic qualification period as your job in the Army. I'm like, wait, so I can just play a school. sport as my job and he's like yeah and I was like how do I do it and he's like I don't know because the last dude that did this in handball was back in like 2009 2010 so you're going to have to do

some research and figure it out so I did my research and figured it out and so when I commissioned as an officer in 2016 for the first year and a half I did a normal field artillery job did my initial field artillery training as an officer got stationed at Fort Riley Kansas spent some time there and never deployed thank goodness and then was my window of opportunity to enter into the world-class athlete program. So I spent from late 2017 through late 2019, my whole job was to play handball. That was it.

I didn't wear a uniform. I grew a beard. I was separate from the rest of the Army. I played professionally in Germany with this club called TSV Beyer, Dormoggin, Bayer, sponsored by Bayer, the chemical company. Oh, yeah. Yeah, which is like a beautiful cosmic joke, right? Literally on our dreams, I'll send you a picture, like a Bayer logo right here.

Got to play with them. We won our first Olympic qualifier against Canada and then lost in the Pan American games against Argentina and Chile, as typically happens. The U.S. team is getting better, and it's because it's not because this sport is growing in the U.S. by any means.

It's because there's a lot more attention on the U.S. So dudes who have dual citizenship with Germany who aren't good enough to play for the German national team, but their mom just happened to be an American, So by virtue their mom being an American, they are like, ah, okay, I'll play with the U.S. national team. So like the U.S. national team, even when I was playing, was comprised mostly of dudes who grew up playing in Europe or South America and aren't good enough to make their respective national team. So they come play for the U.S. national team, which is pretty funny. So that's that piece of the story.

But yeah, by the time the whole COVID charade came around, I had already done a tremendous amount of research on all things, pharmaceutical industry. I'd even spent so much time researching government corruption, looking into different philosophies on politics, sort of like libertarian, anarcho-capitalist, voluntarious philosophies. Because that time in the world-class athlete program, when I was separate from the rest of the army, really allowed me to zoom out and really sort of forced me to do a lot of inner work

that I had been avoiding. Like, if I'm being honest, aside from, like, them recruiting me for basketball to at West Point. The reason I wanted to go there is because I felt so incredibly unworthy because of my childhood because my parent, my dad was so hard of me. My mom was very neglectful. I was in mesh with my mom.

And if she wasn't safe, then I couldn't feel safe. So I spent all my time trying to fix her. Like even when my dad was at rehab, I was the one holding her at night, making sure she was okay. So I was very enmeshed and felt unworthy. So this was another way to superficially look good to other people so that I could feel worthy, having this West Point cadet label or West Point graduate label or. or whatever would come next.

Even World Class Athlete Program, handball athlete, training with Team USA to a large degree. And during that time in the World Class Athlete Program, I don't know if I've ever said this on a show, a lot of my wounding regarding athletics came up because when I was younger, I was so scared to fuck up on the court playing basketball because I would just look at my dad

and be just so afraid of what was going to happen after the game if I played bad. A lot of that wounding I had never addressed, continue to play sports, but then now I'm competing for roster spots on the U.S. national team and competing against dudes who played professionally since they were little kids. You know what I mean? Like they have the typical clubs in Europe for all the sports, have been playing the sport forever, right?

And so all that wounding came back up, and it was almost like a self-sabotaging thing again where I didn't play well because I was so scared to perform. I wouldn't attack on offense. I would just be passive and pass the ball immediately. I didn't want the ball in my hands because I was so afraid to fail. And I'm so grateful for that time because it allowed me to address that core wound that I had never dealt with before on my dad's side of things. So all of that coming to a head in 2020 had done tremendous work, done some initial self-work. Obviously, that journey never ends.

Anyone who says they've like huge whole shit. No, huge red flag, right? But yeah, so then the whole COVID trade came around and I felt so compelled to speak, even though I was a captain in the army at the time. I was like, I can't be quiet anymore. I got to start speaking. So started speaking, sharing my perspective, grew an audience naturally, and then started a podcast after that, started an organization after that. And then here I am now sitting in front of you doing this, man.

So, yeah. That's so dope, brother. I didn't realize 90% of that's so cool. Yeah, I've been following you online and the way forward. And you've had just a laundry list of awesome guests on your podcast. So you do a great job and bringing out the best in people, too, in your conversation. so I really appreciate that. Thank you.

I appreciate that. I appreciate that. We talked about Thomas Cowan before this podcast, before the podcast as kind of the cornerstone in really being one of the faces and spearheading this argument that potentially there is no virus, right? Potentially and it doesn't mean that there's not something that's creating havoc or whether that's, you know. Doesn't mean disease doesn't happen.

Exactly, exactly. but I'd love to I'd love to unpack what your thoughts are there. I love Tom. He's a great guy. And, you know, I've got friends of mine, some medical doctors, you know, they'll leave nameless that have signed up to work with him and say he's kind of hard to work with. He's like, it's on my way or the fucking highway style, you know. So I'd love to just get that perspective from different angles, right, from different people

that maybe are more easily digested, you know, Jack Cruz on. Jack Cruz is a hard pill to swallow. And then Dr. Alexis Jasmine Cowan came on, who was like one of his understudies from Ph.D. from Princeton. And I was like, you're everything I wanted from Jack. Let me just have you back on the podcast whenever I can't. Like you were just 90 minutes of Jack Cruz's knowledge without any of the bullshit. That was perfect. Dude, it's so funny you say that. I'm really happy you say that. It's actually very validating because I'm not going to name names, but I've interviewed three people who've trained underneath Jack Cruz. They're all like,

he blocked me on Instagram. All three of them. They're like, because I challenged him on one small piece of what he says based on my own research of what he says in the circadian rhythm health space and he blocked me and i trained under him he's an asshole i was like thank you that's validating because he blocked me too over the no virus thing actually um so and yeah dr callan can can be very stubborn but i i i fucking love that guy like he's he's been such a mentor for me over the last five years i'm so grateful for him and several other people as well so you'll you'll you You just want me to dive in on my journey into the like the no virus. Yeah.

Yeah, brother. Okay. That's good. I mean, we've set it up with COVID, right? Yeah. You kind of wrapped up you, but we set it up with COVID. So I think that's a perfect space to enter into the game, right? For sure.

And I think there's it, no, for me personally, I just had, you know, within the last six months, Peter McCullough on the podcast, Robert Malone on the podcast. Like it's, it's, for me, the reason the conversation is ever present and will not die is because we haven't harvested everything we need to from that conversation. Part of the harvest is what the fuck actually happened and how do we prevent that from happening again? Until we're there, right, then this conversation should be ever present because for guys like ourselves who have kind of gotten into the weeds, you know, and politically and seen

some of the shit coming, they've already named the next several diseases. How they do that, you know, scratch your head, right? But they've got disease X. They're planning, they know the symptoms of disease X. They know ZARS pandemic. Disease X is going to hurt kids. more than COVID did. How the fuck would you know that

unless you were the one fucking doing it? So anywho, the conversation, let's roll, baby. I look this. The conversation is alive and it should continue to be alive because, like, from my vantage point, I ultimately want people to understand the brilliance and the magnificence of the human body and of our mind

to help create disease and also create healing conditions. Like this technology that we are existing within peering out into this experience is the supreme technology of this realm this is the best technology that we have not these devices not whatever you're listening to this on or watching this on this inside of you and that applies to everyone some of the things that i've seen in my own life that we can either save until the end maybe i'll just give a cliffhanger now at the festival that i put on called confluence we put it on once a year outside of san antonio and bandera texas this

last one. We had a demonstration in front of the 750 attendees where seven children who've been activated to read blindfold, not just read blindfold, to activate it into blindfolded vision. What I mean by that is they have a blindfold over their eyes that you can't see anything out of. They're able to call out colors behind their heads. If you hold colors behind their heads of like different eight and a half by 11, call it out accurately, they're able to draw pictures. They're able to call out pictures that the audience draws, solve Rubik's cubes, do everything that a human being could do without physical sight like they had physical sight. Damn.

Seven children. And what's incredible about this is any child can learn this. My son has just gone through the course that is offered by my friend, Dr. Editha Boutu Chan, and my son's now activated with this ability, and I'm doing some activities to teach my daughter as well. so and that's just scratching the surface then we have things like telepathy tapes i think we're like at a time in history and i think it's cyclical there's been multiple times in history where this has happened that we are just beginning to scratch the surface on the true untapped power and potential inside of human beings so i'll save that the rest of that conversation for later because

it does actually involve um or directly deal with this conversation on contagion. Okay. So the other piece of context is prior to 2020, my wife and I were of the position that much of her autoimmune symptoms were caused by dormant but activated, what was dormant and now activated Epstein-Barr virus. So the reason I bring that up is because I did have eggs in that basket. I was of that position originally. So, COVID comes around. I was originally of the mindset that it was a deadly bioweapon created in a lab. I was looking in November of 2019 following various like Reddit subs and other blogs and things

like this where people were talking about a virus escaping from a lab in Wuhan, China. And that's what I honestly believed. And even to the degree that I was texting my friends and family members, I'm almost ashamed to say of this and telling them to go out and buy masks and stuff in January of 2020. Now, I want to be clear that I was still very much aware of pharmaceutical corruption, but I had thought that they had successfully created a bioweapon lab because I was watching this video footage that I now think is just Chinese state-run propaganda of people dropping dead in the streets.

Right. I remember seeing the same footage. Exactly. And this is in like December, January timeframe. Before the U.S. mainstream media is even covering any of this. stuff at all. And so I was thinking, oh my goodness, the media's not covering this because they're trying to cover this up. That's what I thought at that time, right? Not a bad thought, by the way. Not a bad thought, right? Exactly. And so I had that thought process up until roughly March of 2020

when COVID allegedly broke landfall in the United States with the first few patients being infected and then there was COVID cases popping up all over the United States. When my own direct experience showed me that what I witnessed with this video footage coming out in China was not the same as what I was experiencing myself, I then had to sit with the reality that, okay, that might have been propaganda that I bought into. simultaneously i came across a podcast with david ike on london reel with brian oh yeah everyone listened to that one right's a huge one and the piece that stuck out to me was dr andy cowthman was mentioned by david ike never heard of dr andy cowthman before but he's talking about how

there might actually not be any virus whatsoever so i started looking into his work and some of the things that he was saying and it just made sense to me and also around the same time my wife and i had moved into military housing for the first time because i just got out of the world class athlete program because we lost our Olympic qualifiers back doing a normal field artillery job in the army and decided to live on the military installation because that's what a lot of families do and we had a you know a little baby boy and it would have been good for our kids etc so my wife's autoimmune symptoms start coming back for the first time ever and we couldn't figure out why come to find out house has encapsulated lead paint house built in like the 1910s and this is a whole separate

conversation regarding mold but there was black mold present inside the house at the time you know we were like oh my god black mold is like disease causing this is what's causing your symptoms but now I realize it's really about the toxicity of the home environment the mold is there doing its job to bioremediate, unfortunately, toxic building materials that are then leached into the environment. But nonetheless, my wife's autoimmune symptoms came back for the first time and nothing had changed. So the same time I'm hearing this argument from Andy Kaufman and Tom Cowan that it's more about the environment and whether you're malnourished or poisoned than it is a boogeyman particle

floating about, it made a lot of sense because our own direct experience was showing us that okay your symptoms came back we finally got out of that house moved into a new house off the military installation her symptoms went away this is interesting and then i'm again realizing that okay this this thing about a deadly virus being created in the lab that's not my experience of of witnessing this in the united states what is going on here so then i started a deep dive myself on the no virus position and i'll go ahead and jump right in um you've probably heard people say this before that SARS-CoV-2 has not been isolated or proven to exist.

I'm speaking to the audience right now. Obviously, you've heard it before. And in response to that, you may go on to Google Scholar or PubMed and type in isolation SARS-CoV-2 as keywords, and you will find thousands and thousands of papers describing the isolation characterization of SARS-Co-2. you'll send that paper to me or maybe you'll go ask some of the people you've had on your podcast I won't name names some of the people you just mentioned and see what they say ask a so-called expert right and they may say that oh yeah definitely this virus has been proven to exist the problem with either

that statement which is just an appeal to authority if you're just directly outsourcing to them or just reading the abstract of any of these papers or just the title or the conclusion is you're coming to the false, really what is a falsehood regarding what's going on in this situation. What I mean by that is, if you read the method section of any virus isolation paper, literally any one of them, you will find that the process that is done to, quote, isolate a virus has nothing whatsoever to do with the term isolation as we have come to know it. All right, guys, quick break to tell you about one of our longest running show's sponsors, Lucy.co. Let's level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to lucy.com slash

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definition of isolation means to take one thing and separate it from all other things right but the process that they do meaning virologists in order to quote isolate a virus is as follows they take snot or other fluids from a sick person assumed to contain virus particles asterisk underline bold assumed to contain virus particles inside a sample from someone who is sick essentially right they then add that to a substance called viral transport medium inside viral transport medium at a minimum is amphotericin B which is a cytotoxic, nephytic, antimicotoxic, and gentomyosin, which is a cytotoxic, nephrotoxic, meaning toxic to kidneys, which I'll get to in a second, anti-bacterial, right? And also inside of viral transport medium is the substance called fetal bovine

serum, which we'll get to in a minute. sample from a sick person, assumed to contain virus particles, added to viral transport medium, that mixture is then put on monkey kidney cells typically, or sometimes human embryonic kidney cells, alongside more amphotericin B, more gentomycin, sometimes this other antibiotic called geneticin. And then they reduce the nutrient serum. So fetal bovine serum is taken from an aborted fetal calf, and the process by which they harvest that fetal bovine serum literally sounds like.

like a satanic ritual, by the way, and it's using virtually all cell biology as a nutrient source for the cells. When they do the viral isolation technique, they reduce the nutrients from 10% fetal bovine serum down to 2%, down to 1%, sometimes down to 0%. So if you're cutting off the nutrients of something, what are you effectively doing?

Starving it. Starving it, right? And if Amphotericin B, gentomyosin, are known, and you can look this up for the people who are listening and watching, look this up yourself, are known to be nephrotoxic, meaning toxic to kidneys, and they are being added to monkey kidney cells or human embryonic kidney cells under the premise that they are helping to keep the environment, the environment that they're doing this procedure in,

sterile and free of bacterial and fungal growth. But nonetheless, if you're added, those substances to monkey kidney cells, what is that doing to the cells? Destroying. Poisoning them, right? Okay, so they go through this process of adding those substances that I just named

and reducing the nutrients from 10% down to 2% down to 1 and sometimes down to 0. And the cells experience what's called cytopathic effect, which is basically cell injury or death, right? They then take that and prepare it for electron microscopy, which is a whole other series of things that they do to it. And then they produce these little black and white images, and they point to the resultant particles on those images

and point and say that those are viruses. So after they've starved and poisoned cells and assumed that a virus was inside the fluids of a sick person that they added to this mixture, particles are produced after the cells die, essentially, because they've been starved and poisoned. and they point to the particles and say, voila,

these are viruses. This must have been inside the fluids of a sick person. This must be what caused the cells to break down, never mind that we just starved and poisoned them. This must have been transmitted from another person to this person. We've now solved the problem. And that is, and I can say this pretty conclusively at this point, that is the methodology for every single.

single virus isolation paper in existence. That is the exact procedure that they follow. So a lady by the name of Christine Massey has submitted over 220 Freedom of Information requests to various government and health institutions across the world. And she has asked all these government institutions for evidence of a virus found directly in the fluids of a sick person. she's not asking any trick question she's asking the institutions that are making the claim that there is a virus inside the fluids of a sick person to provide evidence for that claim she's not asking kFC and chase bank she's asking the cdc and other health institutions across the world the world health organization for example and in every single case when she asked for

this evidence of a virus inside the fluids of sick person she's done it for other viruses is not just SARS-CoV-2, every single case, they come back with no results found. There are no records pertaining to your request. So when it comes to the scientific method, this is the last piece, and I'll let you ask some questions. When it comes to the scientific method,

it requires that you observe a naturally occurring phenomenon. So you could say a naturally occurring phenomenon in this case is two or more people getting sick in the same space with similar symptoms. That is a legitimate naturally occurring phenomenon. So then you develop a hypothesis for that phenomenon. You might think, okay, I think there is a sub-microscopic particle being transmitted between these people that is ultimately causing this effect, this observed natural phenomenon that I'm witnessing, right?

And so in order to proceed to see if your hypothesis is correct, you need the thing you think is the cause of that observed natural phenomenon to vary and manipulate in the scientific method, and this is going to be like very childlike elementary in this language, but it's important. In the scientific method, you have an independent variable. The thing

you think is the cause of the observed natural phenomenon, which is the dependent variable, right? In order to follow the scientific method, you need the independent variable, the thing you think is the cause of the observed natural phenomenon to

vary and manipulate the amount of it that you deliver to see if it actually produces the effect in question, right? When it comes to virology, by virologist's own admission, they don't have any evidence that there is a virus inside the fluids of a sick person. Nor have they ever extracted a virus, meaning isolated, purified, characterized, and sequenced it directly from the fluids where it is alleged to be. In every single example of them having, quote, isolated a virus, they follow a variation of that procedure that I just followed earlier. So in virology's foundational so-called evidence, they do not have an independent variable.

Again, the independent variable is your presumed cause, the thing you think is producing the effect that you're witnessing. In order to follow the scientific method, you need the independent variable. They don't have an independent variable. They have never had an independent variable. And so at its foundation, they have a hypothesis that can't even be tested because they don't have an independent variable.

So the definition of pseudoscience is anything claiming to be scientific that fails to adhere to the scientific method. Virology, by definition, is pseudoscientific, does not adhere to the scientific method. There is no independent variable. And not only that, they don't conduct adequate control experiments. So this is the last piece. I'm sorry, this is super long one. This is great.

Okay. So when you're running an experiment, a negative control is when you deliver everything follow the exact same procedure except you don't deliver the independent variable, right? Like a control group, okay? And virology or virologist claim to do what's called a mock-infected culture. So in some of the papers, when you read the method section of the quote, viral isolation papers, they will say a mock-infected culture was done, no cytopatic effect was observed. So they just kind of allude to the mock, like kind of like a wave of the hand. When you ask, I've not done this, but Dr. Mark Bailey has, and then my friend Jacob Diaz

has asked another author, when you reach out to the authors of these papers and ask them, what steps did you follow and what concentrations of antibiotics, antimicotics, fetal bovine, et cetera, et cetera, did you follow in the mock-infected culture, right? Because they're basically saying that this is an adequate control, so you would expect that they would do the exact same thing, except for just not include a sample from a sick person. Even then, though, to be clear, that's still unscientific because the fluids from a sick person are assumed to contain a virus.

So if they were going to follow a true adequate control, they would need to have just virus by itself, and then no virus or maybe we could even say a step above that to make concessions you could have fluids from a sick person and fluids from a healthy person right but in asking the authors of some these papers what was done in the mock infected culture they admit they use lower concentrations of antibiotics and antimicotics and the rationale for that is well we didn't use a sample from a sick person so the likelihood that there's bacteria and fungal growth in this culture is much less so we can use lower concentrations of antibiotics and antimicotics.

Irrespective of their excuses, they're not following the exact same procedure to a T, right? So the point is they don't follow a mock-infectic culture. Now, fastening forward to Stefan Lanko. Stefan Lanka, in roughly, I believe, 2021, followed the exact same procedure that virologists follow to a T, doing the exact same concentrations of antibiotics, antimicotics, antimicotids, et cetera.

Except he did not include any sample of snot from a sick person. So no possible source of a virus, right? In every single case, the cells resulted in or experienced satopathic effect, which is the very evidence that virologists point to, foundationally, as evidence for viruses. Now, a modern team of credentialed molecular biologists, and I think analytical chemists, I might be incorrect on that piece,

has done that exact same thing that Dr. Stefan Lanka did. Who, by the way, Dr. Stefan Lanka is, he would say a former virologist. He wouldn't call himself a virologist anymore because he set out now to show that there is no such thing as viruses, which is why he's doing some of these things.

But a modern team has expanded upon Stefan Lanka's work and followed the exact same ATCC protocols, which are the protocols laid out. I think it's the American-type, I forget the exact acronym. I can send it to you so you can throw in the show notes, but the exact same procedures that virologist followed to AT by the book, right?

And these are credentialed PhD scientists that have done lab work so they know the techniques, et cetera. Exact same procedure 90 times that virologists do in order to claim there is evidence of a virus, except they did not include any sample from a sick person. In all 90 cases, the cells experienced cytopathic effect, which is the quote evidence of viruses according to virologists thus thoroughly falsifying the idea

that cytopathic effect in culture is evidence of viruses. Not only that, this team then took a few of the samples and sent them off to another lab blinded to conduct transmission electron microscopy. So it's pretty funny on this. The reason that they did transmission electron microscopy is because Dr. Peter McCullough put out a article on substack, I think like two years

ago, saying, I don't understand this, this is paraphrased, obviously, you can go read his article, basically saying, I don't understand these no virus people, look at these beautiful high-resolution images we have of viruses. There's, of course, viruses exist. So, this team did the exact same technique, transmission electron microscopy, because that's

what he was referring to, transmission electron micrograph images of quote viruses. Sent these samples off. Again, these samples could not possibly contain viruses, right everything all the same steps all the same substances at the same concentrations but no sample from a sick person sent them off to these labs to do transmission electron microscopy blinded in the results of these transmission electron micrograph images were particles identical to what the CDC refers to as SARS-CoV-2 same size same shape same morphological appearance particles identical to what

the CDC refers to as the measles virus same size same shape same morphological appearance and particles identical to what the CDC refers to as HIV same size same shape same morphological appearance so the two foundational pieces of so-called evidence for virology now thoroughly falsified thoroughly falsified but what's wild is a maxim of law is that the burden of proof lies on the individual bringing force the positive claim. In this case, the positive claim is obligate intracellular parasites consisting of a pro tenacious coat surrounding a core of genetic material, which is essentially a definition for a virus, are transmitted from person to person causing illness. That is the positive claim. The burden of proof lies on the people bringing forth that claim. We should not have to go through these extraordinary steps in order to further show there's no evidence for your claim. They did not adhere to the scientific method to begin with in order to make any of these claims.

They have not empirically demonstrated first that viruses exist in the first place, nor that they cause disease. They haven't demonstrated that from the get-go, and the burden of proof is on them. And the reason I harp on this so much is because I had an epiphany through exploring this position, like all these conversations around PCR, masking, like the coaling of animals senselessly around the world due to bird flu i think millions and millions of chickens have been unfucking real yeah insane right and insane is ultimately based in this foundational claim that has never been met in the first place and now has been thoroughly falsified so rather than hacking at the

branches of a tree that is continuing to grow i think we should just chop down the fucking root and the root claim that all of the vaccine program etc etc are built upon is that viruses, obligate intracellular parasites, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, exist and cause illness. It's never been demonstrated. Okay, so now it's back to the drawing board. If we were actually operating from an open, curious, scientific perspective on, oh, let's come up with a new hypothesis or new hypotheses and test those for what might actually

be going on here when two or more people get sick in the same space with similar symptoms. And there are so many other explanations when you go down that road, too. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's definitely something I want to pick your brain on. But it's also not the point you just made does not need to be validated by here's what it, here's what we actually, it actually is. You know what I'm saying? Like you can be a globe skeptic without having figured out the shape of the earth, right? Dude, I have a beautiful analogy for this too.

I love that. Go ahead, go ahead. Yeah, so because I hear this all the time where people will even acknowledge or sometimes just won't explode. explore the no virus position because they'll be like well how do you explain rabies and it's like okay we have some exclamations for that too by the way um but they'll even acknowledge that okay i agree there there's not sufficient evidence for this but until you can tell me what caused sally to get sick right next to gym when they went to daycare i'm going with that that is like this situation this is the perfect example that i've come up with or the best example imagine that dale who lives in

Madison, Wisconsin is being brought up on murder charges, right? Because CCTV footage at Dale's apartment complex shows a guy that's 6-2 wearing a hoodie that Dale typically wears, walk out of what looks like near Dale's apartment complex, get into a car, drive over to the local gas station, and shoot a guy, shoot Chuck, point-blank, and kill him. So Dale's being brought up on murder charges. The positive claim is Dale committed this. murder, right? But first off, the burden of proof lies on the individual bringing force the

claim. All they have is CCTV footage, but let's set that aside and even conversation surrounding how our court system operates because it's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, but let's set those aside for a second. But Dale has now brought receipts from his flight to Jamaica during that exact same time that the murder took place. Not only that, he has all his restaurant receipts, he has his flight receipts. He did an Instagram live in Jamaica on. the day of the murder at the exact time, it has multiple pictures with his wife, even had someone taking care of his home while he was there. Dale has thus thoroughly falsified the idea that he is the individual he'll kill Chuck. When people say, I acknowledge that there's not sufficient

evidence technically, that's like what a lot of them will say, but until you can give me a better example of what does, I'm just going to stick with that. It's like saying the judge and the jury saying okay you know what you have falsified the idea that you caused chuck's murder but until you can go find who did cause chuck's murder we're just going to stick with you because you're the quote best fit model for who killed chuck that's the logic that people are using when they're like yeah you're right but it's the best explanation we have now so i'm just going to stick with that yeah it's mind-blowing yeah i i'm care i'm i geek out on shit like this because you know and i know I'm sure there was a point too where as you dove into this stuff, whether it's from

Kelly or Rogan or anyone else, like the state shift that I felt in my in my own skin of how I thought, my emotional intelligence, my experience of the world, how that changed from going to organic foods and eating right for my body and listening to my body and intuitively fasting when I needed to and all those things changed the entire my entire field of awareness, right? It changed my interaction with the whole game itself in a way that was so profound, right? And that's, that all has to do with health. And so when I think about things like this, like this conversation is ever present because we still don't know. We have some things that we can point to, but like let's continue this conversation of health, right? Let's understand,

like look backward. Well, why are we so ingrained in the virology thing? Well, Rockefeller Medicine. You know, you look at the AMA purchase. You look at the Institute of Virology in New York City, Rockefeller-owned. You look at all these things that were just kind of laid like tracks over the last hundred years to build up a certain, you know, whole science, really, in virology. And it's wild. Then you could say like, oh, that makes sense, right? Follow the dollars.

That makes perfect sense. You, I'm sure, like most people that have listened to this podcast were probably scratching their head during COVID when you're like, at a certain point at least. I, too, was like, holy shit, this could be the real deal. Yeah, man. I was camping with my son. We had to, they shut the park down. And I'm like, we're outside of nature with very few people.

And if they're telling us to go home, something fucked up has happened. Like, this is big, right? And I was like, I don't know, but this is big. As soon as they started telling people to stop, hug one another, don't, you know, keep your distance, all that. I remember getting, I saw Eric Godsey at a Whole Foods. And it was right when they first started trying to get people to wear masks. But it wasn't mandatory.

And I give Godsey a big hug. And it looked, it was like record stop on the machine. People stopped and stared. at us for hugging each other and I was like this is my fucking boy dude all kiss him on the lips right now I'm not fucking worried about him you know um so I just I think of those those I remember that right and I remember Biden saying you know you hope you get sick and all the shit that he said you know on Christmas and everything for the unvaccinated remember all those things and I want to hold those right I don't I don't live in the space of angry or wrong during that

shit because I'm not I'm living my best life and and that's not something I'm going to forget until we have figured out some conclusive idea of what happened, what is happening, and what's coming, right? Because again, you mentioned, like, we mentioned disease X. Several of these things, right, that are coming down the pipeline could be, you know, something created in a lab. That's what we get, you know, on paper from the media, but who knows what the fuck it is. So I'm happy to come on the lab thing, too. Absolutely. That's another piece. And feel free to, like, poke holes in any of this stuff, because I'm on a quest to, discover what is true. Again, I had to set aside my own preconceived ideas that my wife's

autoimmune stuff was caused by activated Epstein-Barr virus. That's what I had thought. And I'm on a quest just to figure out what is true. That's it. So if they're with you, with the audience who listens to this, I always invite criticism of this position. So I'm just trying to figure out what's true, what's going on in this place, right? From a position of childlike curiosity now, like I think at the beginning of COVID, I'm like, I need to get to the bottom of this. But now like when it comes to any of these claims, I'm like, all right, I don't think any of these jokers know what's going on that are calling themselves scientists and they have built a lot of things on unproven presuppositions. I don't know what it is either, but I'm just trying to

figure it out. You know what I mean? Okay. So when it comes to the lab thing, again, I used to think that there was something made in the lab successfully, et cetera, et cetera. But the first piece is you can't weaponize something that has not been sufficiently demonstrated to exist in the first place. That would be like saying we created a weaponized unicorn in a lab. That's the first thing that I'll say. Okay, so if that's not sufficient for you, which I understand, it couldn't be like, okay, what's going on in these labs? I'm not saying that they're not doing scientific experiments. Experiment means that they're following the scientific method, so let's throw that aside.

Pseudoscientific stuff in these labs. They're doing things. I don't claim to know exactly what they're doing. I know that money laundering is a real thing as well. They could be using this as a money laundering operation. I have no idea. but in the several experiments or several procedures that they have that that are publicly available on some of it through some of these medical journals on gain of function experiments ultimately what they're doing is taking nasal tissue for example like in one of the studies they took a ferret who is sick ground up its nasal tissue injected into another ferret ground up the nasal tissue from that ferret injected into another ferret and then because the sequences that they found, the genetic fragments in that ferret were different than in

the original ferret to a certain degree, they claimed that, oh, this proves transmission of a now weaponized, more virulent version of the original, quote, virus. The conversation on genetics when it comes to virus, virology could be a whole podcast in and of itself, or even the genetics model. You should probably have Dr. Callan back on to go do a deep dive on genetics, dead serious. He's probably the best person for that right now to communicate. kid in a very childlike way. But, yeah, setting that aside, the experiments that they're doing are ultimately just

assumption-driven experiments using animal models, taking, like, ground-up muck from an animal that is sick and injecting it into another one and then finding genetic sequences that are different and then claiming that that proves the transmission of a more virulent or proves that the virus, quote, gained function. Now, when it comes to the idea that gain of function was heavily censored, therefore it is likely true. I want to invite people to reconsider this. Do a custom Google search from December 2019 through May of 2025

and type in COVID-W-Hun, gain of function, virus. type in those keywords, you will find dozens and dozens and dozens of public mainstream articles openly talking about the idea of gain of function. So yes, it was censored after they ceded that idea amongst the masses. And when you understand psychosomatics, mass psychogenic illness, mass social contagion, which we can talk about in a minute, that may have had an effect on the collective consciousness, let's say. Okay, so that's the first, that's another piece. This is the big one for me.

So a lot of people referred to Dr. David Martin when it comes to his work on patents related to the idea that there is a weaponized virus, right? And when David spoke at the, in front of the European Parliament like two years ago, I noticed in his language that he was saying virus model anytime he said the word virus. Rather than virus, he said virus model.

I was like, ah, that's pretty interesting. Most people, I don't think, picked up on that. Overwhelming majority of people take what he's saying to mean that there is a virus that is being weaponized and mutated in a lab that is being unleashed upon the population. But the way he was saying it, I was like, I think that he's actually saying something else. So I invited him to come on my podcast. And again, this is the guy that was in pandemic two that is who most people refer to in order to claim that there was a man. Boatai guy.

The bow tie guy. Boatai guy. He's been on the podcast. couple times yeah exactly so this was the most tense podcast i've ever done by far like and i did not handle it well i'll say that but i was going in with various presupposition surrounding david surrounding the language that he was using because basically the position i came to other time was like no he knows the truth he knows there's no virus but he's using language that is vague and unfortunately people are taking that and then blowing it up everywhere and that's a problem with me because this

is the root of the tree right so it took 45 minutes of me asking him questions and i was literally sweating through my shirt and luckily it was a virtual interview so no one could see it but i was sweating through my shirt and uh he finally admitted there is not and never has been a transmissible particle created through gain of function he said that on my show and that was so massive to the point that even let's say someone who is very close to him messaged me and said I didn't know this about him and I've worked with him extensively on a variety of projects I never knew that's what he meant like yeah it's pretty important to clarify that so point being the guy people refer to for gain of function admitted that it has

nothing whatsoever to do with the creation of a particle that is transmissible it's more about deriving synthetic sequences for the creation of the real thing that is the problem, which is the products that were created associated with it. Can we say the V word now? I think you can say it. I mean, I'm not going to put this on YouTube. I'll put podcasts like this that are more on the truth side of things can go on X, you know, and we'll chop this up and throw it. We can live everywhere. But yeah, I mean, we can say the V word. I mean, the products, the products are right, the jab, the vaccine. There is the potential of spreading of something through various ways.

Are you familiar with Dr. Brian Ardice's work? What's your stance on that? Because when I read his book, I thought, I thought, I mean, I was pretty fucking blown away by the fact that he's substantiated 17 different,

different venoms. Yeah. Like three from snail venoms, one horned starfish venom, and then the crate snake from Asia, the king cobra from Asia or China, and all these other things. Like, well, it wasn't a fucking bat

that do this to that, to that, to that. And then they all fucking made some 17 venom amalgamation, right? How is that getting through? He eludes the potential of it coming through the water supply. I don't know, but like, as far as people actually getting sick, right? And then you have the jab sicknesses, which are, you know, in and of itself, uh, fucking insane. But that also becomes long COVID, right? So we just, he came on the podcast a few weeks ago and I was like, aren't all long COVID symptoms the same symptoms as the jab? It was like, yeah, and you could

have also had been sick and still been suffering. And he goes, there's like 200 different things on there. Schizophrenia, Parkinson's disease. All these things are now classified as long COVID. It's wild. It's insane. Yeah, it's insane. And to be honest, like, when I first heard the snake venom claim, it was after watched the water with Stu Peters. And I thought the way that Stu Peters produced that was just way over the top. I didn't watch it because of Stu. That's basically it. But yeah. So I admittedly, I have not looked in. into that in life. I haven't. And even without snake venom as a

possibility, there are so many other plausible exploration for what went on to. So, I just, I bring that up because as I frame things, you know, I'm good buddies with Matt Roski. He's been on the podcast. I fucking love Matt. He's a homie of mine too. He's a great dude. And he's switched me on to so much. I mean, talk about a guy

who's like really studied so many books from the 1800s and early 1900s that are like hard to find. Where does he I always think that about man. I'm like, bro, where do you, like, because I I'm homies with Matt, I'm in a text group with him. Like, where do you find this obscure document from like 1842 that has probably only been read by 10 people ever and you're the 10th one? His little God GPS internal signal just finds shit.

Yeah, it's wild, man. It's wild. But I think, you know, I'm a huge fan of Arthur Furstenberg's work in The Invisible Rainbow. And it's really hard to deny when you read that book, history, right? We're not, we can't deny history, you know, when we see how these things pair up. And I do agree. You know, like, we saw it. We saw when the world.

was closed down. Schools were still getting 5G towers put in. And hospitals are getting five G towers put in it. And that happened everywhere. The more we dive into electromagnetic frequency and non-native EMF, and we understand how that affects us as electric beings. And it becomes painfully obvious. And a lot of those symptoms do coincide with EMF pollution, right? Loss of taste and mouth, tinnitus, ringing in the ear, these kind of things. So while that adds up, one point that I make in my framework, you know, and I didn't say it bring this up on the podcast with Matt, but it was just thinking in my head.

It's like, well, why would Ivermectin work then? Why would nicotine work? Why would certain things work to prevent illness or to prevent symptoms, right? To prevent a detox pathway if we're using Tom's stuff. And is that actually hurting you if you, like if I need a detox, right? That's a deeper question. See, and that's where my mind goes when it comes to Ivermectin specifically, by the way. But again, I mean, Ivermectin comes from soil.

Like it's one of the things like you listen to some of these guys like, artists and even macola they'll say like that they these are spiritual people they talk about the fact that whatever we've created in a lab or or not whatever whatever is being created and you get the jabs created in a lab we can at least agree on that um the side effects of these things are creating or wreaking havoc and the answer is in the pharmacopoeia of nature itself right the plants are medicine and they have you know they work multifaceted holistically adaptogenically right you can take something like wormwood and it clears out intestinal parasites can't and eat a whole bunch of shit at once, right?

And they've made some really cool products that I like that help with spike protein detox, things in that nature. And I've hooked up people who unfortunately went down the path of following the science. And they're fucking way better. After a month, I've taken these over-the-counter supplements that are basically a concoction of really dope plants that work. Yeah. You know, it's like that gives me help.

And I really appreciate that about artists and McCola. I think an artist's book, which I read after, I listened to them on the podcast. I've got to read this book. And I had read, I was tired to read in COVID books. You know, like this is recently. And I read it and I was like, holy shit, man. He's got, he has a whole chapter on nicotine. He has a whole lot of good things there.

And that's another thing that, you know, I differ. I disagree with Matt on is that when you understand nicotine from a plant medicine standpoint, when you understand the power of tobacco is like the first teacher plant that taught ayahuasgueros to work with ayahuasca and these other things and how that's been held sacred across all indigenous cultures on every continent, I have a different relationship to tobacco, to organic tobacco. Real quick, though. Like, I brought this up to Matt, and this is something, like, I don't, I won't comment on whether Matt is considered this because he's a smart guy. How do you know that the substance that is claimed to be nicotine is the same thing

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you're going to have to edit some shit here because I have Lucy.com as a sponsor for a nicotine. I do that's where you're going. I've had to do the same shit on that show. That's so funny. Can I go pee real quick while you have that in? Go ahead, brother. We'll come back and we'll talk nicotine. That's so funny.

Like, that's exactly why I switched from using nicotine to using whole plant tobacco. Yeah, man, yeah, exactly. Oh, wait a minute. These guys are still fucking longest-druthy sponsor. Dude, so similarly, I am going to be interviewing this chick that talks about clearing eyesight naturally, like killing it naturally. And one of the biggest things that she said is harmful eyes and blue light glasses. I have raw optics and sponsor.

Really? That's crazy. Yeah, I know. That's an old buddy in line. Yeah, that's the first guy that turned me on to Cruz back in the day. That's awesome, dude. So young, too. All right, I think I have a good time here.

on this. And I do take off the face. And it's been something like, you know, check hit me up once. And he's like, listen, dude, he's like, you can't just take any fucking sponsor I know who you're talking about. He's like, you're putting, never, you don't put that shit in your body, he knew.

You know, like, I don't. The reason why it's not told blasphemy is that's what started me. Yeah, the path was like, hey, we're smoking a Paco and I wasa ceremony. Yeah. And then I figure out how awesome nicotine is. and I started with gum, right?

I listened to Rob Wolf and Ben Greenfield talking about nicotine gum. That is what I actually started with. Yeah. You know, I was all right up here. It had to come full circle. All right. I'm going to clap us back in.

All right. We're talking, you know, nicotine and what are you actually getting? Right. I think it's a very fair question. I think when it comes to vapes and things like that, like you're getting a lot of shit you don't want in your lungs, like for damn sure.

And so for me personally, you know, my path with nicotine started with nicotine gum i loved the way it helped my brain and i was glued to shit like that it's one of the things you know post fight career became all all things neutropic all things ketones all things that could help my brain and mitochondria my mitochondria methanol blue all that shit anything that gave me a spark and nicotine was far and away the greatest of them all right and it's stacked with other things too so i thought that was phenomenal and i was actually chewing gum in an iahuasca ceremony and i was asking is this okay you know to myself or to ia whatever you want to call that and um and the answer was yes and then

it showed me the energy of the plant and i was like holy shit like this is a being right and when i held mapacha without even lighting i could feel the energy of the being of tobacco yeah and it you know made me think because i've i use whole plant tobacco now about um remember when maranol came out maranol was a synthetic THC oh okay so to refresh people on the cannabis history most people in California in the early days when they were studying this they assumed THC would cause cancer

and do a whole bunch of stuff if you were smoking it right yeah so they wanted to create a pharmaceutical version of it which was synthetic THC and all everyone who terminal terminal ill cancer was like fuck this even if it's going to kill me

I'd rather smoke flour and get the whole plant now this is before we understood CBD CBG CBN all the terpenes you know delimin which kills cancer all the other the myriad of that wonderful orchestra that is cannabis as a plant teacher and a and a and a healer right a true healer

came with the whole concert of it right and so when i when i thought about that with maranol and the cancer patient saying i don't give a fuck i'm going to have the whole flower that's why that's what got me back to going with whole plant tobacco and uh swedish snooce has been phenomenal because you can find actually biodynamically grown stuff um that's just you know they use salt as the the preservative so did they have smoking tobacco with that Because I've been getting from leaf only.com. That's where I get mine. There's some good smokes.

Typically, I get a bunch gifted to me. Like, we have the volcano. We'll bowl bags like Cal and all those guys. Check got us turned on to that big time. And I'm trying to think of the name. I'll show you afterwards. I'm trying to think of the name. Like Peter or something is the main like Danish tobacco that we use for that.

Cool. That's awesome. But the same sentiments can apply to vitamin C too. That's the wild thing. Like how do you know this substance after alcohol distillation in the various steps that they do that you originally got from you know i'd assume an orange or something like that when it comes to vitamin c represents the same naturally occurring chemical constituents in a whole intact orange how do you know that that substance after you've

gone through these series of steps represents the same thing that is inside an orange like if you even look at this the the procedure by which they claim to have gotten vitamin c and i'm not saying that there isn't something that produces sometimes positive effects, like even when it comes to nicotine gums and things like this. But I think we'd be naive, I think we're naive if we really believe that that represents the same thing in a fully intact tobacco leaf or a fully intact orange. I agree. And to artist's point, you know, the lowest seven milligram patch worn for six days only can clear long COVID. And that's, he proves that in this book. These scientists in Italy in another country, both prove this

independent of one another. Six months after the facts, no, no symptoms have come back. Wow. Right, from one six-day course of nicotine patches worn in between the shoulder blades, seven migs, no addiction either, right? So there's the whole, he's got a whole talk on nicotine's addictive and the reality

of that is, is cigarettes are addictive because the shit they put in it. Copenhagen's addictive because of the chemicals they add to it. Like there is big tobacco still. That's a fucking huge problem, but that doesn't shouldn't take away from the beauty of an organic plant that actually has a lot of medicinal value. So anyways, I frame that because I've been really rabbit-hulling artist's work.

And I think his book really frames it in a way where whether it came through the water or not, why are 17 different venom's found? Why are we producing that when we take the jab? I got to look into that. I really got to give it a good look because, like, I think because of how it was handled with Stu Peters originally, I unfortunately, and this is. this was my fault I looked at that and I was like oh that sounds absolutely I did the same thing I got I got to actually do a deep dive on that and give it a good look it's a quick read you'll

love it you'll love it and his framework is perfect man he has a he unfortunately has one of the stories of father-in-law taken in for treatment and gets killed you know killed using the wrong protocols and that that just what would rabbit hold him done the whole thing but he's he's the fucking awesome dude I want to do one with him up in Dallas he's also in Dallas cool epic yeah i'll have to get him on after read his book cool anyway so even with out the even setting aside the snake venom thing and let's say that that's the possibility too um the la times put out an article in 1988 and the title of this article was recent something the effect of recent bouts with or loss of taste and smell due to recent bouts with flu and the article goes on to

describe how loss of taste and smell is a common symptom when it comes to experiencing the common cold or the flu. And of course, people say, okay, but not loss of taste and smell for 12 months or something like this. The article goes on to state that some people are coming in having lost their taste and smell six months ago, if not more, and we are not sure if it will ever return in some cases. That's paraphrase, but that's essentially what it said. And this is an article in 1988.

And then all the things you brought up with exposure to non-native EMS, messing with our olfactory functioning, there are so many other possible explanations for just the symptoms, loss of taste, and smell. You could even talk about seasonal issues, like fluctuations in weather patterns with humidity messing with our mucous membranes inside of our nose. There's so many other possible explanations. Most people aren't living where they were born, and most people where you were born doesn't necessarily mean your ancestors came from that. Right. Or like you travel, you go somewhere that's super hot and humid and then where you typically live is super dry and cool. Or maybe you like experience some crazy weather pattern that then subsides. And so it's like a spike in different levels of humidity. There are so many other possible factors here. The biggest one though, and this is where I've been like obsessed lately. And it'll it'll go back. We'll sort of dive into some of Bruce Lipton, Greg Braden, Joe Dispens's work. so this is not new to people when it comes to placebo nocebo effect but i think people forget how much of an impact these psychological psychospiritual dare i say factors play into our day-to-day lives especially you know many of the people listening to this podcast understand like your

spiritual groundedness and you understanding that matter is created by the mind not the other way around like no that is literally true even on an individual basis and we can even refer to some data from COVID surrounding that so first off 95% of COVID labels labeled deaths had an average of four comorbidies and by the way all this data that I'm going to share is coming from the CDC so 95% of COVID related deaths had an average of four comorbidities most being lifestyle nutrition related that's not very surprising 79% of hospitalizations weren't overweight or obese people This one, though, is the one that stood out to me more than any other ones. So on a study that was published, I believe, in late 2021 or early 2022,

looking at 540,000 people who were hospitalized and subsequently died with a COVID label, found that the second strongest risk factor for death associated with COVID, fear slash anxiety-related disorders, which would imply those are people who had already had a diagnosed, fear-slashing anxiety-related disorder, not accounting for what I'd imagine to be the large number of people who didn't have a diagnosed disorder,

but were in a perpetual state of fear given that they were flooded and bombarded with fear programming all around them that wound up, quote, testing positive, going to the hospital, being put on a ventilator, being given room to severe, and it ended up dying.

Like, I'd imagine it doesn't even account for that number of people, but the second strongest risk factor were people who had, a diagnosed fear slash anxiety related disorder. So that is slapping us in the face right there with what's going on. So there's this other book, and you need to get this dude on.

Out of all the books I recommend now, and I have a lot that I could recommend during this episode. If you want me to, I can get my full list of this topic, because there's like 10 books on this topic in particular now that we've been discussing. I'll have you texted it. We'll leave in the show notes.

People that want to wrap a hole. I think that's great. Yeah, and there are some incredible books. But the one that stands out to me now came out in mid-20204, written by Daneroytus naturopathic physician out of Australia. And it's called Can You Catch a Cold? So what Daniel did in his book is he scoured the published literature throughout history, attempting to find, you know, pretty objectively,

although he was, you know, coming from our position so you could say that wasn't as objective as you could be but he's like i'm trying to prove wrong what i currently think i want to see if there's any evidence that suggests or any empirical evidence that has been produced showing that healthy people become sick when exposed to sick people or their bodily fluids that's all he was trying to find so he uncovered over 200 papers throughout history i think it's 204 papers throughout history the most frequently occurring results in these studies that were done was zero contagion was demonstrated meaning zero people became ill after being exposed to sick people or their bodily fluids there was some studies in which people did become sick after being exposed to sick people or their bodily fluids

but with those studies they were not blinded psychosomatics wasn't factored in there was no in history double blind randomized placebo controlled trial relating to trying to demonstrate this and no pathogenic entity was found and even more important i'll give some examples here there are countless examples that daniel highlights in referring to mass psychogenic illness or mass social contagion that don't even consider microbes as a factor one of them and this one is wild to me and my mind immediately goes to oh my gosh this explains at least in part the loss of taste and smell thing when it came to covid So I believe it was 2017 in New Zealand, a generic antidepressant had just come out because the branded one had just gone off patent so other people could make their own

generic versions of it. And a lot of people began reporting side effects to this generic antidepressant. And there was 27 side effects that were being reported related to this generic antidepressant. And stories started coming out. people were like you know we're starting to hear rumblings of it so the mainstream media in new zealand ran a story on it for whatever reason when they ran their story they only named six of the 27 common symptoms don't know why we can speculate what then ensued after the mainstream media broadcast this message to all the kiwis in new zealand was adverse events reports skyrocketed but only in

the six symptoms that were named by the mainstream media. There are so many other examples in Daniel's book that he goes into of mass psychogenic illness. There's another one too where this all-girls school in, it was formerly called Tanganyika, but now in modern-day Tanzania, Africa, like half the girls started breaking out in hysterical laughter that was uncontrollable and feelings like they were being chased. and it got to the point that they had to shut down the school temporarily because the girls were breaking out hysterical laughter and it was, quote, infecting other girls around them and it started impacting the teachers and things like this. So they shut down the school.

When the girls went back to their home villages, the villages started breaking out in hysterical laughter and uncontrollable hysterical laughter and feeling like they were being chased. So then they ended up reopening the school and then even more people started breaking out an uncontrollable laughter and feeling like they were being chased. like they're being chased. And the epidemic, as they called it, lasted 18 months, and they still couldn't figure out the exact causal mechanism of this phenomenon. Point is, there are countless examples in Daniel's book of this occurring where the scientific community doesn't even consider the possibility of microbes or anything like this.

It's not even considered. But then some of the research that Daniel uncovers, and this is one that you may have heard before is Spanish flu, the transmission studies, so I'll just briefly summarize this for the audience. During the Spanish flu, which is supposedly one of the most, you know, a lot of people did die, but supposedly one of the most deadly viruses

that has ever existed in modern history, a series of experiments were done, 25 experiments across three studies, attempting to demonstrate how this disease was passed from person to person, because that is the presupposition that they had. They had the idea that, this was being transmitted from person in person. So they set out to demonstrate that empirically.

So they took 160 volunteers from the Navy across these experiments and exposed them via various methods to people who are sick with the Spanish flu or to fluids coming from Spanish flu patients. Now, important context here. During the Spanish flu, 120, no, I think it's 250,000 tons of chemical weapons were produced. 125,000 of which were deployed on the battlefield. Also during the Spanish flu, the average age or the modal age of death was roughly between 20 to 40 years old.

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especially given that these are the guys that are in that age range where 50% of the deaths occurred. The results of the experiments were, three of the 161 volunteers became sick, two, was symptoms that were not even close to being in alignment with the Spanish flu, and one who had, quote, flu-like symptoms that weren't representing the hallmarked Spanish flu symptoms. None of them died. And one of the principal researchers, Dr. Milton Rosenau, was quoted as saying, we entered the outbreak thinking that we knew the cause of this disease. If we have learned anything by virtue of these experiments,

it's that we aren't quite sure what is the cause of this illness. And Daniel goes in some other examples where, in another study about a year later after the Spanish flu, more people became sick after being exposed to a saline placebo than those who received snot from a sick person. so all of this what it is indicating at least to me i'll speak for myself is the power of this right here are preconceived ideas to bring about healing or bring about illness and joe dispensea greg braid and bruce lipton have talked about this for years and so many other people the power

of this thing to generate real symptoms of illness or healing on the flip side of things i mean there's examples of people uh i think in this one example a guy was given um and what what he was being told he was given an experimental cancer drug right and it was just a saline placebo or a sugar pill or something like that but he was told and this is paraphrase i don't remember the exact details but he was told essentially that this stuff was like 100% effective and it they're you know it's this new emerging drug and he was on his deathbed with cancer his cancer resolved completely after taking what was a placebo and then when he found out that he was just given a placebo

so when he learned that it was all in his mind the cancer came roaring back and then he died so when it comes to two or more people getting sick in the same space with similar symptoms there's the element of mass psychogenic illness mass social contagion that you have to consider there's also elements of what environment are you living in together

what are you eating in together what is the shared stressors that you're experiencing together what um weather experiences are you experiencing together what is the unique combination of all those things that you are experiencing together are you spending more time let's say as we move into winter months inside with people around you even if we live a more holistic lifestyle like you and i do the reality is i'm not going to i'm not going to come on your beautiful home i'll comment on my home the reality is the building materials that we're using nowadays versus what we're used in the past

or what could be used with stone masonry or organic building materials, the synthetic glues that we're using for meldhyde, what's in drywall, the dirty electricity running beneath our floors. That coupled with exposure to less sunlight by virtue of it being wintertime, that coupled with lower temperatures

so you're not detoxing and sweating as much as you would be typically. You might run a detoxification program in your body because you've reached a certain threshold of toxicity during what people refer to as quote flu season and then we have the nerve to think that our bodies are broken and failing because this boogeyman particle is floating about when in reality it's just a beautiful brilliant response from our bodies after being cooped up inside amongst toxic stuff and not getting enough of what we need like sunlight putting our bare feet

on the earth moving our body sweating as much as we could be yeah and maybe i reach that threshold of toxicity but you have been outside more you're like i don't give a shit if it's cold i'm get some cold exposure. I'm going to get some sun. I'm going to make sure I'm doing all that. Or I'm just going to live in a state of a stress-free state. Or you know what? I've heard all of these narratives surrounding like, oh, I need to get outside. But I'm going to do that. And I believe that my body is a miraculous healing machine. And you're a little bit of a hypochondriac, Alec. You have a tension about you right now. And you may not need to experience that detoxification like I do. And then we call that quote, maybe you have quote, immunity. But it's a

it's flipping immunity on its head. It's just that our bodies are unique and there is some electromagnetic communication between us likely. Like we know that the devices that you're tuning in this podcast on communicate via overlapping fields frequency signals. We also know that the scientific community says we can only perceive 0.035% of the available electromagnetic spectrum. So that means there are so many things happening metaphysically

amongst all of us right now that we can't see. 99% of what we can't see, right? And we have what's called the human bio field that surrounds our body. So the National Institute of Health coined that term to describe the energetic, the electromagnetic field that surrounds our body. A lot of wisdom traditions, spiritual traditions would call it an aura or something like this. I think the Kiro people of Peru call it their pocpo, their energy bubble that surrounds their body. But anything that produces an electrical current also produces a magnetic field. We have an electromagnetic field that surrounds our bodies.

We have a subtle electrical current. So given that these devices communicate via overlapping fields and frequencies, is it too far-fetched to postulate that we might also have that technology innate to us? Given that these devices were built in our image, we were built in the image of God. God is a superior designer than we are. We can pull from God's wisdom to help co-create what we're creating in this realm. But these were built in our image and they're incredible technology. So I think that we're just making those in the image of us and we have the superior technology inside of us. That's how you know, even without being around your kids, you just get a sense that they're in danger, especially women, like mothers, you just have the feeling, or when women sink up on their mental cycles, or if you're sitting next to someone who has good vibes and you're starting to feel better yourself, or you're sitting next to someone who's like, this dude's fucking lying to me, and I can tell that he's lying, you just feel it inside of you, right?

Or you experience someone talking about you thousands of miles away and you have that experience of your ears are ringing, or what is called your ear, what's the saying? Well, no, not literal tinnitus, but like, what's it called? It's like an expression that people use. Like, were your ears ringing, like, or were your ears burning? Ears burning, that's what it is. Like, you have the experience of your ears burning when they're thousands of miles away because you text them. I just felt like I needed to text you.

I was like, oh, I was just talking about you. How do we explain these various phenomena? And I like to think that a lot of what's occurring when it comes to two or more people getting sick in the same space is that there's so. much going on metaphysically between, you could say, wave exchange between you and I or the people that you're syncing up with often, that you almost become this, it's like concentric rings of biofields where you almost become one shared field. And so when one of you in a family starts to detoxify, because you've reached a certain threshold of toxicity, other people who might

need to go through that, go through it as well, because my body's energetically communicating to theirs. And there's like, yep, it's time for me to detox as well. Yeah. If women can synchronized cycles just in being in each other's proximity, right, which does happen and that's absolutely happens. I mean, it happens amongst friends that don't, we don't live together, you know, cycles will change and things like that for sure. I think of heart math's work, you know, Heart Math Institute and the fact that we have, we can generate an eight-foot field from our heart chakra, you know, that the heart can pick up on things. I'm sure you're familiar with all their work, but like the tests where they show there's a response, a physiological

response to the next image that's on the screen that hasn't been shown yet, right? Happy, sad, painful, whatever, that the heart is already responding before the eyes can relay to the brain what it's seeing. Like, it's fucking crazy, right? It's similar to telepathy tapes type stuff. It's like, whoa, there's something beyond our understanding that we're awakening to that it, that makes the idea of our shared energetic fields far more likely, you know, and the idea of detox. I mean, that was, I remember the first time I had heard a doctor talk about the importance of letting a fever run in kids and as well as adults, but how the fever is the body's perfect response

to be able to move something through. If there's congestion, there's stagnancy, if you think of like a pond that's just stuck and you want to unleash that and get the water flowing again and moving heat is the thing that breaks and busts that up and how necessary that is, whether that becomes snot and mucus or any of these things.

And that makes sense. I mean, when I, we got sick, the last time I had a major cold was December of 2020 Is it 2020? I think it was December 2019 It was Christmas 2019 I love that it was so long ago for you

Because you take such good care of yourself I don't even December 20 I've been run down but nothing like this Like I shit myself in the middle of the night I gave in and I took NyQuil to try to sleep And I still ran a 105 And I said fuck it

I still ran a 105 Still couldn't sleep I had soaked the sheets Every night my wife and I would take the sheets off to wash them and dry them and put them back on. That's how bad I sweat in the bed. I was sleeping by myself upstairs. And one night in the sweat, I just shit my pants. It was just fluid came out. It was all I'd been fasting, I had a little bit of bone broth and it needed to move out. And I didn't even thinking of it. And I woke up and I was like,

oh my God, dude, I fucking slept him out and shit the whole night and couldn't tell because that's how wet the bed was, right? That's getting sick. But I at least knew, I mean, I could barely lift my head to watch my son open his presence. I knew that someone, something was happening there that was more than just I caught something. It felt like combo. It felt like an a purge. It felt like my body was retuning itself in a way that was making me more whole again. Yeah.

You know? And I think that was the first time we're actually looked and I'm 43 now. The first time I've ever looked at a so-called illness or sickness as like this is a necessary good my body's doing. And as I treated it that way, it proved to be that way. you know dude think of any challenging experience you've had in your life that you recognize it as a catalyst to propel you forward think back on that and are you are you not grateful for all those experiences because it made you better that's exactly how I look at symptoms of illness too it's our bodies doing what they were brilliantly designed to do to come back to

homeostasis you could even say like to up level right like that's that's what I think Absolutely. Fuck yeah, brother. Well, did we miss anything that you wanted to cover today? I know we could do 100 of these, and I'm down to do more for certain, but it's anything you wanted to continue on. I mean, there's a whole separate conversation on Fourth Phase Water. Have you had Veda Austin on, too?

I have not. I had Pollock on a while back, Gerald Pollock, and he broke down Easy Water and some of the things there. But talk about how these coincide here, because I found that when you text me on this, I was like, this is very interesting. I haven't thought of these as connecting points. yet. Well, just very briefly, so for people who are unfamiliar with fourth phase water, essentially Dr. Gerald Pollock has discovered over the past several decades that there is a fourth

phase of water, that we typically know water to exist in a solid liquid or gas state, but there is this state when water is next to hydrophilic, which just means water-loving, water-loving surfaces that will form almost like a gel-like state, right? And then it also, experiences charge separation so water is typically neutral but fourth phase water is highly negatively charged and it pushes anything any impurity solutes toxins etc. to the perimeter and that is a positive charge and so it creates almost like this water like battery it's it's oh and each individual cell has that and that can be a battery source an energetic source in it of itself right which really turns this upside down we think of mitochondria's role in creating

ATP and where we get energy from yeah exactly and like even when it comes to a fever for example so one of the drivers of expanding that zone of exclusion when i say zone of exclusion i mean that when water is in this fourth phase state it excludes it literally forms a zone of exclusion where it's pushing all those things out that i said before and it's creating that charge separation like a water battery right and so one of the drivers to expand the exclusion zone is infrared light infrared light is ubiquitous it's all around us but It is especially so when we have a fever when our body's heating up. So it's helping to expand the exclusion zone and push out impurities in our body. It just makes sense, right? So from the lens of fourth phase water, that's how I look at just illness in general. Basically exactly what you said, no need to expand on that more. But if you haven't had Veda-Austen on, you have to.

That is one person you have to. Are you familiar with her work at all? bro okay this i'll just briefly touch on this this is so mind-blowing um you're familiar with masaramoto right yes yeah okay so what veda has done is expanded on masara motto's work and made it accessible to lay people what i mean by that is so veda will take water sitting in a little petri dish and expose it to a thought a feeling a song a written word in english or in spanish or in whatever her language, a picture, have her friend 4,000 miles away, 5,000 miles away, think of something specific, and set the intention to project what they are thinking about on the water that Veda is

holding. She then does this unique freezing method where she puts it in her freezer for a specific amount of time, typically five and a half minutes, five minutes, 20 seconds. And it's interesting as it relates to fourth phase water, right, because Gerald Pollock has shown that water, when it's in this fourth phase is able to transmit, receive information, things like this, right? So Veda's freezing method requires that water is in the midst of a phase change. What I mean by that is she doesn't let it freeze all the way. It's when it's starting to freeze.

She dumps some of the liquid out. Invisible to the naked eye, bro. Like, when I say visible to the naked eye, I mean visible to the naked eye. She has like, don't quote me on this, like 40,000 examples documented. She just came out with a book called The Living Language of Water that is, bananas dude like life changing

you could give it to a total normie and say look at this and they'll be like any old muggle dude anyone they'd be like uh that that couple

with like telepathy tapes and it's a game changer anyway and visible to the naked eye in the water is its own artistic interpretation of what it was just exposed to like I'm talking visible

to the naked eye all of her pictures or iPhone pictures of water in a petri dish picture boom and it's very clearly an artistic interpretation of what it was just exposed to she's also documented what are called hydro glyphs

which is where if she's seen a certain symbol come up repeatedly when exposed to a certain thing she is now determined that that is water's symbol for that thing and it's not only that water is reflecting back to us she'll ask water and other people have done her method too like I'm feeling this way I need you to give me a message

and it will put multiple symbols that she has identified in there that is a specific message that she needed to hear and dude it is like it is wild that's crazy have you read the golden compass to your kids it's a pretty popular book series three books I like the first two books better than the third but

I've been reading a lot to the kids and when we go we'll drive up to jiu-jitsu is like 35 minutes or football that kind of thing so we listen to audible there's a there's a in the golden compass they call it the litheometer and it basically shows these symbols you can ask it a question it shows you a bunch of symbols back which then you take those symbols to

create what it's telling you, right? That's dope. But I've made me think of that when you're talking about these multiple different things to answer questions. It's something I've thought about before, you know, for like the first journeys with ayahuasca and things like that on the nature of consciousness. If consciousness is everything, right, the fundamental substance of all things. And it's whatever's animating me is animating everything.

And then I can talk to a tree. I can talk to if all the plants are alive and they're sacred, all the things, right? Water itself. Like, is consciousness in every, fucking atom, right? Is there an intelligence in the most microscopic quark, you know? And if that is the case, then for sure in something that's formed itself into H2O in any state, that there must be intelligence in that, right?

Amen, man, right? Exactly. And like where my mind goes with this, too, right? Given that water is impressionable, like reflecting back, like there are countless examples in Veda's book where she's thinking something really deeply. but what's interesting is you know how you talk about like Joe Dispinsa talks about you can't just think it has to be think and feel right so water can tell if you're lying to it if you're trying to just think your way to something like if you I call this thought energy for lack of better term it when your thoughts and feelings are aligned but water is impressionable and Veda shown that when it comes to you thinking and feeling something specific water is impressionable so we're comprised of water 70% two thirds so two thirds water by weight over 99% water molecularly If what Veda's indicating is true, what does that say about us and our own thoughts,

our own condition belief patterns as it pertains to our health for better and for worse? What does that say? And what's really interesting, I look at health in general as a function of how connected we are to the natural world. So Veda did an experiment where she took, let me back up a little bit,

when Veda takes a free range egg in America, we would call it pasture raise, In New Zealand, their government is pretty fucked up, but I guess not as fucked up when it comes to agriculture. So there's just free range means an egg coming from a chicken raised naturally. In America, it's like, oh, that means you can have like a little square area for your chicken. Yeah, you got one yard for your chicken. Yeah, exactly.

It's free range. Okay. So, for Theta's taken pasture raised eggs, cracks them open, freezes the album in, which is the running part of the egg. When she does that with a free range or a truly like free range egg, it has this beautiful crystallography. I'll have to show you this after the episode. I can even send this to you so you can throw it up on the video, dude.

Yeah. Has this beautiful crystallography. When she does it with a caged egg, which is coming from a chicken who is pumped with hormones, antibiotics, vaccines, fed an unnatural diet. No sunlight. No sunlight in a perpetual state of fight or flight. Cracks that open, freezes the album in. It's in a state of discord. There's no coherence to it. It looks very plain.

It looks discordant, right? When she sets a free-range egg next to a cage egg in proximity to each other overnight, then cracks them open and frees the albomen, the caged egg. the cage egg now has more coherence and it's structured just by being in proximity to the free-range egg but dude it gets even more wild you're familiar with David Hawkins scale of consciousness yes okay you're familiar with how like

Hawkins postulates that it only takes like a very small number of people operating at that highest level which I would say is like less than 1% yeah like in order to help like bring others into coherence and my friend Eileen McCusick who would be another great interview for you she's the like world's best researcher on the human biofield It talks about how a strong coherent field

overtakes and entrains weaker incoherent field So the more you're in a strong coherent state You're helping to overtake an entrain And bring into coherence the weaker incoherent fields around you Which this egg example is an example of that But this is how wild it gets Veda took one free range egg Surrounded with 12 caged eggs overnight

Set two eggs to the side as control So one from the cage eggs batch Cracked it open, froze album And showed that it was in a state of discord one from the free range egg batch from the same batch cracked open frozen albumin beautiful crystallography so one free range egg surrounded by 12 caged eggs set them in that orientation overnight and it's like diamond orientation cracked them open froze albumin every single caged egg those in proximity the free range egg had now improved in its coherence damn the free range egg totally unimpacted still

had this beautiful crystallography and she's even done some studies where she takes tap water sets it next to spring water the tap water improves in its crystallography just by being exposed to the spring water but what's even crazier is the spring water also gets even a little bit more coherent after being in proximity to the tap water meaning by healing yourself first by becoming coherent yourself first you heal others and then that's a feedback loop to healing you even more too right a lot of the stuff Christ talks about comes to mind. But I just find that so incredibly fascinating. And if that same thing with the eggs applies to us,

that would imply to me that the more we are in a natural state, interacting with the natural world as human beings, doing the things that human beings have done for thousands and thousands of years in order to be healthy, and the more we focus on bringing coherence to this, by virtue of doing that and just living that example, we're helping to bring other people in this earth realm into coherence as well just by our very being this and when that like finally hit me i'm like oh my god man like yeah and my mind just spins on on so many

other things along that thread but yeah i thought that was a cool thing to that's so fucking rat dude this is the best closer ever i'll link to all this stuff in the show notes talk about your community you got a community launch coming up yeah so um yeah so um yeah so I put out a poll on my social media on X, on Instagram, on telegram basically saying you found your health and freedom community online, but are you struggling

to find your health and freedom community in person? 95% of people who responded to that poll, like 750 people responded, said that they're struggling to find like-minded people in person. So like, dude, in Austin, it's so easy to find like-minded community, so we don't have as much of a problem here, and ironically

what I'm about to say, like, we've developed a platform where no matter where you live in the world, you can type in your zip or postal code or just set your custom geolocation. It's all behind a private membership association, by the way. It's all web-based, but it functions like an app as well. We can type into your zip or postal code and instantly find like-minded people near you, like-minded farms near you, like-minded practitioners of a variety of types near you, like-minded schools, alternative schools near you, homeschool pods even near you. And then we're going to continue to expand that into other avenues as well. But we just launched it

like two and a half months ago, already thriving. We have like 1,600-ish members as of right now, which is incredible. Yeah, it's pretty epic. And, yeah, it's an incredible way to instantly connect with your like-minded community no matter where you are. So what I was going to say, though, is like the highest concentration of people in our membership is in Austin, Texas. It's like no surprise because everyone's here.

It's that. Yeah, it's that. And then in parts of SoCal and then Florida and some other places. But yeah, anywhere you live, if you're looking to find like-minded community, we've already had so many testimonies of like I went into this clinic the other day in Georgia and I found them through your platform and like they were so awesome thank you so much and finding like-minded community near you it's it's a way to connect us because I think like these digital devices that we have are incredible but they're not a replacement for real community like we need

each other in person you know that you do a lot of like in-person gathering stuff it's so incredibly important so this is a way to easily find your like-minded community that's so dope that's going to be a huge help for people. I mean, I always get that. We'd hear that in trip for service like, hey, I live in Boise. I don't know anybody in Boise that's like into this shit. You know, and I was like, oh, we got a couple members that are just two hours north of you, that kind of thing, you know? But like this, this makes it a grabable, right? It's achievable because I'm sure all over the place, people are stepping into a greater degree of self-awareness, a greater degree of wholeness and wanting to do better for themselves. And you don't want to be on a fucking island. That's the hardest thing ever is to be on an island and feel like you. you're all alone. You've got nobody you can do this shit with. I was just laughing with my with my wife. We were driving somewhere and she's like, you remember when, when Bear was at Waldorf and we got invited to that party and it was funny because they were, you know, hyping up like a death metal concert that night, you know, and everyone's offered me Jack Daniels and shit. And I was like,

I might take a micro dose to LSD, but I don't fuck with Jack Daniels anymore, you know, like, no judgment, you know. It was just like, I was like, do people do that? You know, it just came back to us like most people that's they're the way to share that's their way to hang you know and um that alcohol in and of itself is a toughie for so many people you know that just want to be able to enjoy themselves and like and something to break the ice so like we can all just be ourselves and be comfortable in our own skin and laugh together you know but a lot of the things that you are into are part and parcel to that right you go through the challenging shit the ice bath any of these things that brings you closer to who you actually are and it is a little

easier to be comfortable in your own skin because you've gone through challenges that that made it tough to get through, you know? Dude, I'm sure it's the same with Fit for Service, but like the in-person festival that I put on once a year, co-produced with Molly Englehart out of Sovereignty Ranch. Yeah, yeah, I had her brother on the podcast. Yeah, right. Yeah, so I co-produced the event with her and then my friends, Mike and Lindsay Holshue. And when you get a large amount of people, relatively speaking, in one place who are of like mine

like heart dude the experience there is ineffable and and so palpable like the coherence that has felt between people and I don't mean this like love and light spiritual bypassy version of it I mean like a real felt sense of it to where like you walk around at our festival and I'm like oh I could jump in on that conversation I could jump in on that conversation and it's like there's no fluff there's no like how's the weather it's it's instantly like can you do for me yeah none of the LA no offense to LA people, but none of that L.A. ask, like, what do you do? Dude, I've had that happen to me in Austin so many times where, like, I'm at an event

and people won't give me the time of day, and then somehow it comes up what I do. And they're like, oh, bro. And they're like, dapping me up and like, oh, I, like, trying to pitch me something. Like, all right, dude, yeah, but it's, you know what I mean, though? And I'm sure it's the same at fit for service. It's like, it's palpable, man. It's so powerful. And I'm just like, the more, the more we bring coherence into ourselves, again,

going back to that free range egg thing the more we're like the free range egg that's like a saying i say now like be the free range egg the more we bring coherence ourselves we're helping to bring coherence to other people and then the more like those people bring coherence we're creating concentric rings of coherence and like i want to get to the point where an event like confluence or something like fit for service that is like the norm among society where we're all just doing that all the time like yeah it's easy and awesome it's awesome don't get me wrong but it could it could very well be the norm everywhere else too and like that is a society i want to live in yeah Yeah, fuck yeah, brother.

Yeah. Dude, it's been awesome having you on. This is the best ever. Thank you, bro. Thank you, this is epic. Thank you. Fuck yeah.