Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #426 Analyzing the Rise of Global Governance w/ Alex Sachon

Episode Date: October 5, 2025

In this podcast episode, Kyle welcomes Alexander Sachon, a researcher and author focused on the advancement of civilization through philosophy. They discuss various critical themes, including the imminent emergence of a one-world government, which Sachon explores in his book 'The Coming World Nation: Why Global Governments is Inevitable.' Sachon delves into the idea of the American Empire, its oligarchical underpinnings, and the role of deep state institutions in shaping its global dominance. They touch upon the controversial history of suppressed technologies such as etheric energy and anti-gravity, which Sachon suggests are part of a secretive technocratic superstate. The conversation also covers the potential for these hidden technologies to revolutionize society, provided they are managed responsibly. They examine historical cycles, the implications of cosmic cycles on collective human evolution, and the philosophical frameworks needed to guide humanity through these transformative times. The podcast emphasizes the necessity of a philosophical renaissance to steer societal values and governance structures in a positive direction.   Connect with Alex here: Instagram The Coming World Nation Book Substack Website   From Kyle: The Community is coming! Click here to learn more Honorable Mentions: Battle Hymn   Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. These are the b3 bands I was talking about. They are amazing, I highly recommend incorporating them into your movement practice. If there’s ONE MINERAL you should be worried about not getting enough of... it’s MAGNESIUM. Head to http://www.bioptimizers.com/kingsbu now and use code KINGSBU to claim your 15% discount.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Kyle-Kingsbury Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome to the podcast. Today we have a very special guest, somebody who I've heard a lot of acclaim about in his work because, you know, we study a lot of shit that other people don't want to. Some people like to keep their heads in the sand like ostriches where I'd rather look right at the problem and face it and see what we can do about it. And what's cool about our guest today is he has made it his life's work to the studying of civilization through philosophy in a number of different ways. he has tracked the New World Order and the push towards a single one-world government, as I have and many of you have, through many books out there. I'll give you one of my favorites, Battle Him, H-I-M-N, we'll link to in the show notes.

Great book. Buckle up. And many, many others. Honestly, there's plenty of others. And there's even smaller books that get a segment of the piece, right? Completely true. But it's just a piece of the pie. I'll give an example of that.

That would be something like the real confessions of an economic hitman. Absolutely true. Absolutely, you know, eye-opening if you're an American and haven't been switched on to some of this stuff. Most people outside of this country already know. You know, so that's another strange thing is you get out of the country and they know more about our country's inner workings than we do. But that said, that's just a piece of it, right? And so what's great is Alexander Satchen has, through much of his research, come to the, conclusion that we're going to have a world government, a one world government. And so the title of his

book is The Coming World Nation, Why Global Governments is Inevitable. And I was like, damn, dude, you got me on the hook with that one because what can be done? What do we do? What does this actually look like? And I'll save it for our conversation how he breaks this down, but, you know, there's not a doomsday guy. He leaves with hope on his shoulders and he actually points to quite a few reasons how things map out well for humanity and provides evidence of it, which is very cool. So he tracks a few different things. Again, I'll let him break these down on the podcast. I highly recommend you get his book.

I mean, we're scratching the tip of the iceberg in this conversation here. I tried to stretch it, but we could have done a six-hour interview and not covered everything in this book. So we'll link to that in the show notes, The Coming World Nation, while global government is inevitable. Alexander W. Satchin, highly recommend you to share this with all your friends. if you've been a conspiracy theorist or, you know, into the rabbit holes or anything, just not even conspiracy theorist. If you've followed all the presidents that have talked about the New World Order, if you saw what Klaus Schwab was talking about with the Great Reset,

you'll learn nothing and be happy, all that stuff. This is all pointing towards the future. David Ike says, if you want to know the future of the West, look to the east, right? We see a technocratic form of government there that's more totalitarian than hopefully what the world government ends up like, but that's already in place. and as I mentioned on this podcast we have more cameras in America four or five times the amount of cameras in America

than when they do in China and it's doing quite well in China there's no nobody's putting up a fight in China so let me just refrain you know remind us of that if we were like no that'll never happen we got guns like yeah I love guns I don't want to give them up I think we should keep that as an any level right

and there's four or five times the cameras here you know we're moving into 6G we're moving into a whole bunch of stuff It's going to make it very challenging to not operate in that system. So all that said, check out this fun conversation. Listen to Alexander. He's got some great points that he makes here. And just let these seeds get planted in the soil of your mind so that as we continue to march towards really a future

that it's going to encompass us all, we can see the writing on the wall and know the best steps to take. All right. Share this far and wide. Support our sponsors. and I'll see you next week. Once again, I started talking, we started catching up,

getting to know each other, and I didn't want to lose valuable stuff here for the podcast. Alex, welcome to the podcast. This is great. We've just met. For years, I've been the guy in OBS here, telling him like, hey, pay attention to this world economic forum shit. Hey, look at this thing.

I've sending him videos here. I'm like, this is all totalitarian bullshit. This is, you know, and I'm trying to switch them on to things I turn them on to. Bobby Kennedy originally, you know, I was like, hey, man, you got to read this book because I was, I mean, I could say it now. I was anti-vax long before fucking COVID, having kids. I had to cross that threshold. I read Susan Humphrey's book, dissolving illusions, and I read several others, Dr. Thomas Cowen included. And so we, you know, we were there. And my son's 10 years old.

My daughter's five. They've never had a shot. They're perfectly fucking healthy, perfectly intelligent. They're not causing, you know, the return of measles or any of this other nonsense that you here but then uh yeah getting it i kind of had weary a different look at covid because of that this kind of full court press for only one medicine when i already didn't believe in that medicine to begin with and so yeah i turned him on to to bobby kennedy's book the real anthony fouchy it just takes one book that's the that's the thing now that being someone like yourself who realizes what the vaccine thing really is or at least what it's not uh you you you see all these people supporting it still and you you know to yourself all it would take for any of those people is

just read one good book on it because the whole thing is built atop misinformation and basically ignorance the only way that you could support that or you meet one mom right that was the thing in bobby's case where like he's talking about doing such great work on the environment and getting metals out of water out of the river out of our fish out of drinking water and how those metals are causing a lot of, you know, nerd degenerative disease and things of that nature. And they've got mom saying, what about medals in these shots

that are mandated for my kids to go to school? You know, and, yeah, it's just one little rabbit hole. But I think, like, if you watch a documentary and Dil Bigtree did such great ones from Vax and others, where you see that for yourself,

where a mom's like, we take our kid in, like we know every stage of that kid. If you're a parent, you know every nuance to your baby. The first time when they go from staring into space to like locking eyes with you and seeing you for the first time there's a moment there and it doesn't happen right when they're born it happens weeks later sometimes months later but then when you see that you're like oh wow yeah you see me buddy and i see you each one of

those stages is there then you take your kid in for whatever they're supposed to get and they come back explosive fever never make eye contact again it's devastating can't be held and you're supposed to believe that that's just fucking coincidence like come on dude but like you see the moms that talk about that you know their experience with that and how they're just you know immediately told that's no no no this is you know this isn't it or or it's just late so it can come on late stage that kind of thing and it might not be born with it but comes on in a certain time it's it's uh it it really is freaking you know it's crushing it's crushing it's crushing it's crushing the thing about especially when I think about kids yeah but yeah I mean

getting him into all that stuff that was kind of my thing thing. It was just like, hey, man, you got to see this and stuff. And so it's funny now because he turned me on to you. He's like, hey, dude, I think you'd really appreciate Alex's work. And the title of your book grabbed me hard because I was like, oh shit, it's the coming world nation. This is written in the pretense of like, this is unavoidable. This is where we're going. And that was fascinating to me because it was like, yeah, I mean, there's a part of me that I might be, I've had to think about that. Am I resisting the inevitable? Am I resisting the inevitable? Am I resisting the push of something that maybe not isn't just going to take place but should take

place, right? And so I think I've constantly trying to wrestle with those ideas too and grapple with those things because, and I remember Neil Donald Walsh, and I promise I'll shut up here in a second, but he wrote a conversation with God. And some of that you can tell is just Neil. You know, if he's talking about alcohol and he starts yelling, I don't think God gives a fuck about alcohol, unless it wouldn't be in existence. But he really talks. about, you know, the need for a one-world governance, and he says by any means necessary. And I was like, damn, dude, would God say any means necessary? Right.

That seems drastic. And so, who knows there? But it made me chew on that. If that is something where, like, this is the inevitability of all racism, you think about highly evolved beings or other, you know, epochs in time where there were advanced civilizations, it would take some type of, you know, a governance on a global scale to make things like that work, especially when you bring in the technology that you're talking about in your book. So I've, like, what drew you into this whole field?

I'd love that you bring in Manly P. Hall. You bring in so many grates, you know, that kind of really tie it in a really nice bow in the end. So I just love your work. I want to say that, but I'd love to hear your story on like, what got you into these fields and what switched you on? well my initial background academically is in the social sciences and so my undergrad is in a field called human geography and that I was really interested in big picture evolution of civilization going from tribal to first states to modern civilization that story so I started studying that

when I was a teenager you know works like Jared diamonds collapse and guns streams of steel a little pretty notable works in that field but yeah I studied human geography and basically the, was interested in the long-term development of mankind, particularly to inform where we are in the present moment. I've also been aware just since high school, just being innately interested in it and having a good teacher to introduce me to the idea that the world is in a state of crisis, profound, existential crisis. Originally, I was coming into awareness of that through the environmental crises that are kind of building up and the friction between our economic system and the environment.

And so from an early age, I just felt that this was like a momentous time in history. And I had some context for understanding that because I had been studying even from a relatively early age, like the broad history of our species. And so I just had an intuitive feeling that we're living through an important period of time and events are sort of building towards a pressure point. but there's also an opportunity for defining what might come next. And so that is what initially kind of captivated me to start studying society. But as a scientist, I wanted to model, basically.

I wanted to, the thing I was particularly early on really working for that was so hard to find was like, what's the actual good model of our society? And it tells you a lot that we don't have that. Because, you know, there's actually a telling quote that somebody who's in the position you would think to know what the what's the particularly modern american empire modern american society like what is the actual governance structure how was it organized there's a woman named katherine austin fits who who's been kind of making the round yeah she's great and she but but you know she said over the years the governance structure of our planet is a mystery and this is someone who's worked at

the highest tiers of wall street uh was it was an insider has worked at the highest tiers of washington bush administration bush administration and her conclusion after all of that, all of the training she's been through, all the people that she's met, all the work that she's done, she has no idea what the governance structure is. And so, to answer that question, what is it? How is our species organized? You know, you need someone actually with a background like I do,

who has training in sociology, who can look at it like a system, who understands the deep history of it. And so beyond just the book, The Coming World Nation, I have a lot of work that's mostly right now on my podcast and substack, but I want to get it out in sort of a formal published form the next year. But it tells the story of the rise of civilization over the past 12,000 years and culminates that whole series and all that work culminates in this book, The Coming World Nation.

And so everything, all the ideas in it are really supported by this large framework of history and this particular way of looking at the human species and human history. It's informed my sociology, but then it's also informed by what I added to that in my 30s, which was esoteric philosophy, and particularly studying first theosophy and Blavatsky and her teachings about the secret doctrine. She lived in the late 1800s, and then after studying her for about a year and a half, I added Manley Hall. And once I discovered him, I was like, this guy's the master teacher of philosophy and probably the most important figure, in my opinion, of the 20th century, super underrated.

And so I've written a book about him and I've done a lot of work analyzing his material. And I bring that into the fold. And so that's sort of what my intellectual influences are and how I got into the material that I write about. I love that you're able to thread together so many different pieces there. that's that's a full one structured filtered all the goodies um i think i think one thing that you do so well in the book is that you thread together multiple lines that have relevance at a depth that's satisfying it's not just like a touch point you know you hear someone online they're like oh the rockefellers you know you never get past that right it will tell me more you know what did the

rockefellers do like why do we keep saying that name and i think how you bridge through the rothschilds in early European banking into the American oligarchy and even just saying those two words together is such a phenomenal way to frame like what did that actually look like especially when you can understand the economics of of you know where Rockefeller was before they dismantled all the monopoly

you know and it's like that just impregnated him it's like you smash I have the idea of like this has happened a couple times on the farm we'll smash a spider usually we just toss him outside but there's been times like at the pool where I smash a spider going for my little girl and it just explodes into a thousand little babies just come out of me. You're like, go. I think that's a fair analogy of what I'm with

Rockefeller, right? Like, oh, you're to dismantle this monopoly and you just put him into every other piece that he could have gone into. Right. I mean, the monopoly was never really dismantled. It just legally took different shape legally and financially became even more dynamic after that happened. But yeah, the story of the Rockefeller is very important to what I track in the book, which is the rise of the American Empire. And that's the, that's the key narrative that is the simplest one, and I think of the most important one, particularly for Americans to understand, is that there's a difference between the American nation state and the American Empire. And, you know, the American nation state is the one that we're all taught about

in schools, founded in 1776, and, you know, it has the three branches of government. And then what was amazing that happened almost immediately after the nation was founded is that there was the rise of the industrial revolution and the rise of the scientific age and those things transform society in a very fundamental way and at the time when america was founded we mostly think about it as a reaction against the crowns of europe and the church and so we think when America when it was established it was the final victory over the European powers,

the European way of life. But what's not included in that narrative that we're typically told is the financial powers in Europe that were existing at the time. And so at the time of the American Revolution, those financial powers, which had developed throughout the Middle Ages, going back to Venice in like the early Middle Ages,

that network, financial network, had wound its way across Europe and enthroned itself in Britain within the Bank of England, which was the first modern central bank. And that bank practiced a style of financial capitalism, which was later brought over to America in our Federal Reserve system. But the value of that system is that it is perfectly designed to run an empire. It's a, financial capitalism is a model that is designed to expand and contract and consolidate. and that power structure and that model of capitalism was never successfully dealt with during the revolution and so what happened over the course of the 1800s that that whole century was just a nonstop assault

on America by that European capital in order to try to bring its model into America and implanted and so that is the underlying context by which the civil war happened and a number of other took place during the 1800s. So the 1800s becomes this critical period of time that most people don't know very much about it all. But in the story of where we are today, I spent a lot of time in the book talking about the 19th century because it's such a pivotal thing.

And if you can really grasp what happened then, you'll have a real basic structure in mind for how to analyze the 20th century and everything that happened from World War I, World War II to Cold War, everything that happened, the foundations of it were established in the 1900s and a big driving factor was this relationship between the idealism of America and then this very cynical imperial mindset from Europe that kept trying to plant its way here.

And there were several central banks that were established in the 1900s that didn't ultimately last. So the Federal Reserve was not the first instance of them trying to bring this central banking structure over to America. There were a couple others that didn't work beforehand, but then gradually they were able to gain the power by the early 1900s in order to push this the system through. So that's like the starting point of understanding how the American Empire rose, was this independent power structure that's not included in the design of the Constitution with the

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Fantastic book opened me up to a lot. But also, I mean, that's a deep dive into one section of your book, right? So like seeing this, how you lay this out, actually really added, it was additive to some of the texts that I've already read before because it painted them with the why. It gave a deeper context to them. Yeah. Well, another thing that I try to add into it is, again, it was what the sociology comes in. because I talked earlier about how the scientific and industrial ages rose almost immediately

after the time of the founding of the country. And so that transformation that took place interacted with this European power, European money that was moving in and trying to have its own influence in America. And those two motions combined to form the new money oligarchs in America. So the old capital of Europe, was based on the agriculture, old school economy. They had kind of mastered that over a long period of time. You know, trade, slavery, raw material mining, mercenary armies.

Those are like the traditional industries of the old money capital. When the rise of the industrial and scientific age came about, these whole new power structure of corporations came into existence. large industrial corporations, large monopolies, large combines, and these were all based around harnessing the new technological potentials that were, or technological capacities that were emerging at the time. So Rockefeller is a good example of this. He was one of these new and money American oligarchs who rose just ruthlessly,

you know, in the early days of capitalism was just ruthless. Like they're called the robber barons for a reason. It was like kill, steal, do whatever you can to win this game. of Darwinian survival of the fittest. And so there basically came to be kind of an alliance on one level, but then a competition between these new American money class, which was riding off the back of this industrial revolution that was taking place, and then this old money that was looking for a new place to park itself.

And those two sides came together in the project to found the Federal Reserve. And then once the Federal Reserve is founded, you no longer have the original constitution of the founding fathers, because they didn't design it for, it wasn't designed for a private banking corporation. It wasn't designed for large industrial corporations either. So the difference between the American nation state and the American Empire was established during the 1900s, or excuse me, 1800s. And it sort of culminated. The culminating moment was the establishment of the Federal Reserve. But it heavily involves the rise of the Robert Barron's. And they ultimately took custodianship over the project of American Empire and sort of outmaneuvered this old money class, like the Rothschilds, for example. So the Americans, like first J.P. Morgan and then John D. Rockefeller became the stewards of this American imperial project, and their psychology got woven into the society that we have at a very fundamental level, almost at the level of impact that the, you know, the constitution and the, and all that stuff has, because a big part of our governance system is this network of private interests that own and control so many of our resources. So that's part of our governance system that's not included in the Constitution.

And those small group of oligarchs define so much of what the behavior and outcomes of American life have been over the past 150 years. Yeah, it's wild to see. And when you paint that background and then you continue down, you know where where did we go from there right so i'm thinking about a couple things that happen in parallel and i want to dive into the energy tech because i think this is it's a huge piece of the equation that also leads us to the hopeful ending that we hope will hope will be the case right but um and also explains the UFO phenomenon so much better than the the you know the the

bullshit you know uh sciop drip that we've been getting for the last however long right so i love what you did there and I want to we'll weave that into but um just in terms of like how you know the control the the they did have to monopolize the control over oil right so that makes sense when you're like well I mean there's the famous quotes of these guys you know high up military guys saying like I don't know he just said we're going to go to seven countries you know and I said why and they said I don't know you know like that's like a super famous like one of the smartest Clark I think it was Clark yeah he's like I don't know he wouldn't tell me I don't know you know but this is where we're going this is what we're doing right and this is what we're doing right

And you start to think of things like that. Like all of that starts to add up and gives context to like this is this is where we can control it. Even from like, you know, you think about different energy tech that's kind of come along and been swept under the water car, right? And I think, oh, God, Rolls Royce just did a water-fueled airplane. But it's, I think it's for the military. So it's not like a frame of it's not something you can get your hands on. So, you know, nobody from Rolls-Royce is getting. shot or poisoned at a at a um at a restaurant right um but like how these things that that

potentially might have been using different forms of energy tech or even tapping into a ethereal energy uh were swept under the rug i like the context of the timing right and that becomes a central theme that really gets woven into a greater understanding in the end but um i i don't know if it's something I have right here at the yugas from joseph sebel and david schmilets i'll forget i'll mess that up the yugas right and that's basically on the teachings of shriuk desoir i think you mentioned a different really good book on the subject as well yeah yeah i do talk about the yugas let's circle around in that because that's all opens of a whole nether plane okay okay but let me get let me touch on the technology part of it so in the book the first third of the book i tell the story that we

were just talking about, about the rise of oligarchy in America and how America basically got re-engineered to become a global extractive empire. And it began to exhibit this behavior in the 1890s roundabouts, which is when the robber barons really consolidated their control over the country and their power base. And so that's when the real changes began, when America really started to become this empire. And that's, if we want to talk about the deep state, that's when the deep state is founded. And the deep state is really the network that surrounds this oligarchy that emerged. So the deep state is really like the instrument of oligarchy and the instrument of building out this empire and converting America into an empire. So America was destined to become

the successor to the British Empire, which was already basically had similar power structures behind it and um and so that's that's the first third of the book is talking about that story so then the middle of the book the second portion of it i go and i go back into the story of the 1900s and then i talk about or excuse me 1800s and i talk about a story that's been very much overlooked and that's the story of the flying airship mysteries and and what that points to It's basically, at the very beginning of the scientific and industrial ages, a radically different paradigm of science and technology began to be discovered. At the same time that our conventional paradigm was being discovered,

there was basically two competing, more or less, two competing worldviews about science. One was basically more materialistic, and that became the modern science that we know today in time. It would evolve into that. But then there was another section that you never hear about, and for good reason, because this is basically what became a classified system of science and physics and engineering. It's been classified for a long time, but it started developing in the 1800s, and you can see reference to it in the books of that period, in the scientific books. There was this reference to the notion of the either, the luminiferous either, and that really represents the idea that space is a universal field of energy.

that can be harnessed through different electromagnetic techniques. And so it's a fundamental different way of looking at space than what conventional physics would in time. It's really the difference between an open system view of physics and a closed system view. So we have a closed system view, but the either-based view of physics is an open system view in the sense that you can design technologies

and even through psychospiritual practices, you can interface with this universal field of energy. and so the types of technologies you can you can engineer based on this design this new this new paradigm of physics or it's not it's new for us but this more ancient that's really based out of alchemy the types of technologies you can design and create are just radical in the sense that the UFO is basically the modern version of what that could end up looking like but an early version of this technology that included anti-gravity included super fast travel like 200 miles an hour type of movement there's all these records that emerged in the 1800s newspaper accounts lots of different evidence that we can point to that show that an early phase of what we call UFOs today was back then they were called flying airships and they this technology

seems to have existed and you can kind of track its development from the information that we have available from like the 1860s 1870s you can just see you can see the threads that we can find you can see a development it's a very human technology it's a human thing that's being developed here and that's clear from the literature and then right around about 1897 it basically disappears alongside this you have the emergence of Tesla who wasn't part of these societies but was working with similar ideas. He was definitely working with the either. It was out to design technologies based upon this alternative paradigm of physics.

His career basically gets shut down around about the same time. Early 1900, yeah, the first like 1904 roundabouts, that's when that happened. And then you also see this whole paradigm of the either start to get written out of the physics books and replace with Einstein general relativity, which is, you know, the closed system version of physics. and all these things are taking place right at the same time that the American Empire is starting to form. But as the American Empire is forming, there's never a reference to this deeper breakthroughs. So what I hypothesize in the book is that when the deep state, the American deep state and the American oligarchy started maneuvering the nation towards empire, beneath the surface of this or in the shadow of this, a secondary movement or emergence took place.

And this is the formation of a governance entity or an institution of some type that emerged to consolidate and monopolize all work in this field of etheric energy. And so this becomes a hidden governance institution that's even beyond the deep state. And what we call the deep state that is running the empire, that deep state isn't even aware of this secret,

this additional layer, this underground layer. So in modern times, that underground layer is the black project's underworld. And it heavily interfaces with this UFO mystery. And the leaking or the gradual, like, limited hangout of this UFO story that we're getting today, when you pull that thread all the way, where that goes ultimately is not the revelation of extraterrestrials, but it's the revelation of this whole secret underground aspect of human existence that has taken place. It's almost like a separate caste system

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story of especially the 20th century and going up to today, that story has to be told in reference to these three parallel lines. There's the overt, there's the deep state that's in charge of the empire, and then there's the secret black projects world. And so that's what I look at in the book, having set up these three different planes, I then tell the story of American history from the past 150 years with each of these levels built out and weaving them together. And And I spend a lot of time on World War II and show how that World War II really can only be understood when you factor in this dynamic situation because each of these different levels have their own interests and involvement in World War II and then what came afterwards. So that's how I approach this analysis of American Empire that I give in the book. Yeah, I love it.

And it starts to make, I mean, it does make a lot of sense when you consider the potential power of that. And I think you mentioned, you know, Tesla's quote talking about like if you were underst, stood the fullness of ethereal energy, we could potentially, you know, shrink the planet, grow the planet, move ourselves closer in proximity to the sun. Like you'd have that level of Godlike power. Godlike power, right? And so like when one recognizes that and the potentials there, you know, a lot of people that supposedly worked in the Manhattan Project had, you know, had to come to terms with what

they were creating because of the fact that they knew what it could mean, right? So take a power greater than that, it makes sense that if you were. altruistic if you did care about the species going on, the survival of the planet, that you would want to consolidate and make sure that that's a lesser known thing, like, hey, let's take this, let's continue to work on this, but let's not make this a known thing. Yeah, the secrecy is justified in this case. That's why I argue in the book. The secrecy that this institution adopted towards this pattern of science was warranted, I think, given what you were just saying and given some of the things that Tesla said about the nature of this new paradigm, that it's like

it can bestow everything, but it could also take everything away if you misuse it. So my theory is that at the time that this institution was founded, again, I call it the technocratic super state. At the time that this institution was founded, there was already this motion of empire and this oligarchical structure, sort of transatlantic oligarchy that had moved into America and was a major power center. I mean, this is the gilded age. So when all this was first happening, So that was a reality that this institution, which originally probably operated something like a secret society on a smaller scale, and originally it would have, it would have had to deal with the reality.

And so the dynamic that it would have had to have managed is that it would have to develop a basically had a vision for what could, what type of governance could work. just going back to kind of deconstruct what I think the mindset was of whatever organization or institution emerged in the late 1800s to take control of this paradigm and basically serve as a custodian of it for what his destiny will be I think one thing it definitely said was we have to keep this out of the hands of both the general public which is not ready to deal with this and the power structures of the day which is this oligarchy and so basically I think it functions a lot like a think tank and I think part of the think tank was working on further developing the ideas further than the research and then a large part of it out of necessity would have had to adopt a position of almost social engineering like tactically maneuvering both the outer and the power structure outer society and the power structures which was already in a sort of pushing towards a destiny

of empire. It was going to have to work within that in order to set up its own system of government, which eventually, once it's set up, only then could it reveal the technologies. And I think that's where the, with that idea in mind, I think ultimately where does the UFO thing go. It goes towards the revelation of this technology and this hidden governance institution and heralds a total radical transformation of our governance. But the requirements of the system of government that would have to be put in place is global, it has to be global in nature. and I want to have to be able to have information or ensure information security. Because the type of technologies that we're talking about, the ether-based technologies,

you don't need massive uranium enrichment plants to do it. It's not something that only a few well-funded nations can realistically develop. It's something that even an individual who's well-versed in electromagnetics and has just access to basic things, you know, if you know how to set up a, like amplifying wave, then you could do that, you know, from your garage and potentially set up a wave that could destroy something very large, you know? And so it's that kind of thing where the knowledge has to be protected and preserved within an environment where it can be protected. I think that that's a minimum requirement for ever releasing this knowledge. And so it,

so if you keep that in mind, this basic dynamic that we're talking about, It really changes the way you look at the years of history that we've, you know, the past 100 years of history. And it also informs why change isn't so easily had. We all know how corrupt the system is, but in my point of view, this third hidden hand, this technocratic, this super state, it has its own needs and the reformation that we want

to our society will not happen until its needs are met. So it's also a way of, this whole framework is a way of understanding the environment that we exist in today, you know, politically. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense out of the timing of like, if this is, I think about Roswell or, you know, I was big into Bob Lazar and regardless of like aliens in the spacecraft or not, which you, I think, handled perfectly, and it makes a lot of sense in the way you speak about that, which maybe we can break down next.

But just the idea, very 51 and the idea that we've been reverse engineering, things like that, it's like, well, surely we would have come up with. the already, you know, that could be usable. And surely we keep having sightings, you know, and seeing different things from the floating cigar to the tick-tac, to the, you know, triangular, to the flying saucer, like all these things. I've seen personally only one time, it was a ball of white light, but it moved in a way that I couldn't fucking explain.

It was not normally moving the way physics were. It was the 13 guys, eight of us were on mushrooms, four of us were not. Actually, four were on mushrooms, eight were not. And my coach, all 13 of us saw. the damn thing all of us saw it moving and then and i was like that's that's that's that's i can't explain that you know only one time in life but it's like embedded the memories embedded it because it wasn't nothing moves like that um so yeah so i don't know that i like greer in his approach in that um you know some of the things that he brings up actually resonate and make sense i.e you know the slow

drip of UFO stuff is is to push us towards a new world order right it's to push us into like the the panic, you know, independence day, you know, maybe one day we'll all have to lock arm and arm nation and nation. So that way we bow to the fact that we're one, one species on one planet and we have to honor, you know, the fact that if we don't come together, we could be squashed by a greater civilization. It's the idea of seeding that, which is why you start bringing in aliens and things of that nature. That actually makes sense. And at the same time, when you think about the needs of a technocratic super state and its ability to bring forth energy with this much potential also having the same needs then it starts to make sense for more than one reason

yeah the the all right so the way i approach the alien topic if we want to get into that um well first off as a as a philosopher i have to conclude that the idea of an alien or extraterrestrial is it is not a philosophic idea in the sense that the the basic premise of it is that there's an other. And in philosophy, it's, it's very, uh, well pointed out that the universe that we inhabit and the world that we inhabit, the solar system is a unified entity. That there's no other unit, there's no like competition between unified entities. It's like, this is a unity that we're in in the same way that a cell within your body is part of the unity of you as a person. And so all of the mysteries.

of UFO phenomenon and alien question. All that stuff has to be, you know, taking a philosophical perspective, you have to ground all that being like, okay, the basic starting point here is unity. And then you unwind from that. But there's no really way you can define an ontology of what extraterritorious could be

that is satisfying to the basic ideas of philosophy or the basic disciplines of it. So I think that, so if you keep that in mind, And that would imply that the attempt to make it look alien or extraterrestrial is deliberate, is a deliberate attempt to mask. And that's my ultimate conclusion about the matter is, is that it's an attempt to mask. But there's also archetypal elements into it as well. And so there's also a deeper aspect of the unconscious that's being stimulated by that.

And so we can't help but want that explanation as well. It's very attractive to our state of mind at this point in time and our evolution. And so I think that, you know, that's where I ultimately stand on the extraterrestrial issue. But to justify that, I go through the history and kind of argue that I think you can make a good case that this is the best way to analyze it. And part of that is investigating the airships of the 1800s and the fact that they disappeared basically seemingly overnight after. a trend in which they were becoming more and more prominent. So they basically disappear, and then you have about 50 years when you don't hear anything about the topic.

There's no more sightings of anything. All the science of the either has been, at this point, written out of the books. We now have Einstein, as we approach World War II and in our World War II, there's basically no reference to this. It's been, in my, what I argue, been safely sequestered within the silos. of this governance institution that has emerged to take control of it. All right, guys, quick break to tell you about one of our longest running show of sponsors, Lucy.com. Let's level up your nicotine routine with Lucy.

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sent off. So there's no mention or sightings of anti-gravity or any of these technologies. And then with World War II, you still talk to hear whispers of it. And then particularly in 1947 is when you first see this technology appear again. But when it appears, it seems like it's all that old history has been forgotten. When it appears in 1947, it's as if it's the first time anything like this has ever occurred. any type of unexplainable flying object and it looks different than how it used to look rather than look like a steampunky kind of vehicle like it did in the airships are

described the modern version is sleek metallic circular but it's doing the same essential things that the earlier versions are doing but it's made to look or it's been sort of repackaged in a totally foreign way and then when this these sightings happen they're they're kicked off by this very controversial event, which is Roswell. And the Roswell event is deliberately, it's like one of those events that you can, as as soon as you go into it, you originally, you immediately realize there's a conspiracy going on. And there's some type of, not only a cover-up, but there could even just be this whole thing

as a designed event. Like there's nothing natural about this event. There wasn't just a cover-up of an authentic event. it was a false flag essentially alien kind of crash and then that it basically cedes the idea of this completely foreign mystery alien kind of explanation for something that otherwise we would think we would have no connection to or any ability to connect ourselves to this phenomenon and that's only can happen if you erase the past history that I was talking about particularly the 19th century airship mystery.

So from 1947 on, and it really starts to build as you go through the decades, 50s, 60, 70s, it gets more and more intense where there's this move to take that whole phenomenon and associated with aliens and then completely mask the fact that we now know for sure after World War II there was a permanent research institution set up in America to research these things. And again, the difference between the two is on one hand we have a classified science that we've been developing and keeping secret and that's the origin of the UFOs or we have nothing, we've never heard of it before

and this is just an alien thing entering our atmosphere and we can't explain what it is. So the pretense of our research programs is just to reverse engineer whatever alien thing has entered into. So you see, by offering the alien explanation with the reverse engineering kind of a concept,

you've distanced yourself entirely from the actual, not only the actual history, but the actual science behind it and its connection ultimately to alchemy, which is where the either concept comes from. So this whole story is completely masked away. But as we were saying, you know, several minutes ago, the secrecy behind the need for secrecy is actually legitimate for this technology.

And so this is how I think the secrecy was established. was with this layer of alien explanation kind of put on top. Now, having said that, I think there's a large part of the military industrial complex that does believe there's aliens or maybe thinks they're reverse engineering craft. And that's part of the complexities of secrecy and compartmentalization that come on board because when we talk about a secret institution that's emerged to be in charge of this technology, that doesn't necessarily mean that that institution is fully transparent within all its different branches, actually, I think it would be more like the opposite.

There would be like a brain in the middle, and then there would be all these offshoots, and none of the offshoots would understand or know what the main mission and the deepest science of the core would be. That's how you would maintain secrecy over this large project. And so it gets complex when you start to look at things like that Stephen Greer talks about, which is like fake alien abductions and a lot of dark shit. That is part of this...

effort to engineer the alien explanation and cover up the rest that a lot of that does you know it's hard to tell which aspects of this are like maybe like a rogue group within this structure or something that just not read into the sort of deeper mysteries but I ultimately don't feel that the the real center of this project is an evil or nefarious entity I think it's dealing with realities and I also don't think you can work with this technology and these ideas for a long time and have that type of mindset intact because you're dealing with with the dissolution of materialism. And along with that comes a number of other psychological changes

that we're collectively all gonna have to go through as this new paradigm gets revealed. So whoever was the early adopters of it, I think we can't assume that just because they're keeping a secret from us, or they're not, maybe they have something that could benefit from us, benefit us in our time of struggle because they're not openly giving it to us

when we think we need it, that they're therefore evil. I don't necessarily think that that's true. I just think that rather they make a judgment about it, this is the scenario that I think has taken place over the past 200 years. Yeah, yeah, it makes a lot of sense when you word it in the way that you do and start to piece together,

the different understandings of why. And the UFO piece, it makes a lot of sense to me when you start to factor in the chaos of like, this could be a really important reason why they start to make it extraterrestrial. So there's, you know, people on the inside that are developing the technology there's people in the outside that are brought in that way we have all these different points of view about the topic but everyone's

still engaged with a topic on some level you know and has an opinion on some level so there's still some buy-in culturally right which is necessary whether it's what leads to the new world order or not but i mean just getting back into like the new world order so many you've seen guys you know from Kissinger on, you know, so many different groups from George H. Bush, you know, talking about the New World Order and the need for it and all these things. And like, to me it was just always a weird, like what is this? Like a secret society push for this thing. Like, why is we keep talking about the New World Order? Is it religious? Is it a Zionistic? What does that look like? And I like the idea of the technocratic super state

needing to piggyback off of the American Empire's establishment of that. You know, you think about China, you know, and follow David Eich and stuff like that, where he's talking about, you know, this is, if you want to see the future of the west, look to the east. And so you can see, you know, what that looks like right now. They're very much live in a totalitarian, technocratic state. You know, they're past the point of social engineering. Now it's just grading, right? Your social credit score is your grade. And so, so, you know, that determines your ability to move.

It determines your ability to buy or purchase. It determines the whole thing. And that's wild because there's every fiber of my bone says, fuck, no. I don't want to live like that. You know, like I want to have a little plot of land. I want all the freedoms that I have. I like going in guns. I like being able to shoot guns.

I like being able to do all the things that I do now. And, you know, fuck carbon footprints. Let me just say that too, right? Like, I'll put more trees in the ground. I'll do regenerative agriculture and sequester carbon. That's how I'll manage that. I'm not worried about my flights and what kind of car I drive. But it also makes sense.

you know, from the necessity. And I've been thinking like to some of the other books, like 1984, George Orwell, versus Brave New World, Aldous Huxley, and how, you know, there was a great argument from a buddy of mine I had on this podcast a long time ago on how it's not going to be Brave New World. It's going to look like, or it's not going to be 1984.

It is going to be Brave New World because we'll be seduced into it, right? The convenience of it all. You know what's funny? You mentioned that? I think about it all the time because I have like a little THC stick here. and it's like, this is the soma stick. Like, this is it. You've got to put you on a little vacation real quick.

Don't worry, take a deep breath, have your little stick. You'll be good. That's true. I got my snooose right now. Island vacation for a minute here. But yeah, how it's, there's almost, like they realize the forceful hand hasn't worked. There's always, there's always revolt at some point from the forceful hand. But if we can seduce us into that, the mass, the mass engineering of us saying yes to, sure,

a little bit more control sure a little bit i mean america has more cameras in it than then all of china by like four x or something like that i think that china's already living that way we're not living that way now but this thing is seated that way i mean all of america is absolutely seated to be run the exact same way china is four x right and there's still more stuff going up there's still 60 six g towers on the way and all the other things that are really only necessary for mapping people in real time right And so I think about those things too. And I just, I really appreciated the, the way you maneuver this important technology, not maneuver it, but the way you place this important technology and the significance behind it.

Because a lot of people, you know, like, that are like fucking zero point. It exists. There's no way it doesn't. We're in a tourist. You know, like we can access that. And you look at the grates who already did and they were stifled and shut down. You know, like there are blips in history that point to that. And then you start to take into account these cosmic cycles, right?

And that really makes sense too. Like it might not have been J.P. Morgan or Thomas Edison. It could have been fill in the fucking blank. The world wasn't ready for it yet. And that would have been stifled no matter what, right? He was ahead of his time, that kind of thing. That starts to add up and resonate and make sense. So let's talk about these cosmic cycles.

A big one that I've been into since COVID was the fourth turning, right? A much smaller cycle, 80 year cycles. they have the high, the awakening. It's like the grunge period. It's a period I was born in. Gen X? No, well, it's not the generation. It's the cycle.

The 20-year cycle is like, kind of like destructive, right? And then crisis period is the fourth one, the winter. Right? We're in the winter now, and that these are 20 years long, but also these much greater cycles. I haven't gone into the turning view yet. I mean, I'm kind of vaguely aware of it, but. It's interesting that it's in 20-year cycles because the Saturn Jupiter cycle, which is called the Great Conjunction, that goes in 20-year cycles. And I'm wondering how much of an alignment between the Saturn-Jupiter conjunctions and the turning is.

And the interesting thing is there was a Saturn-Jupiter conjunction in 2020. And it was, they go in like hundreds of years, like they go over 20 years, but then there's these like larger patterns within that simple dynamic. And the one that took place in 2020 was like a, I think it was like an 800-year iteration. of that conjunction in terms of where specifically it happened. And it was also met by Pluto. And I have an early publication that I did. It's one of the first things I've done that it's not on Amazon, but I want to touch it up and get it up on Amazon.

But you can download it on my Substack for your subscriber. It's The WisdomTrition.com. But it's called Psychology, the Science of the Soul. But basically the first part of it is a overview of Jungian psychology, and then I delve into the relationship between Young's model of the psyche and astrology and how you can use the Jungian approach to understand why and how the planets and the zodiac influence us, both internally but also synchronistically in our lives. So that's what the first part of it is about, it's not a long publication, but I cover that,

And then I do a psycho, I do an analysis of 2020. And I look at the conjunctions that took place. And I said, these are what the archetypal elements that we would expect to be brought out during this alignment. And it's everything that happened in 2020. Wow. It's like, it's basically the central theme is like the fight with the shadow or the surfacing of the shadow. And so much of what happened in COVID in all these different ways was involved with that process. And, but yeah, I think that this, this idea.

idea of time cycles and the whole subject of youngian psychology and astrology in general all that stuff opens up the understanding of the role that the collective plays in relation to the individual that the collective has a life of its own and has dynamics of its own and just like each individual has a life of its own dynamics of its own but it's the relationship between the collective and the individual that is really the thing that drives society for like it's that interplay human life is not just eight billion individuals it is a it's eight billion individuals always adhered to a collective so that's what the collective unconscious is about it's about every human has their own focused psychological perspective and experience but there's we're all part of this field again

this also goes into the idea of the either because the either explains how this is the case, but all of us psychologically are tethered into a common, basically like mother system, and that is the collective unconscious that's what Young called it, but it's the world's soul in philosophy. And the world soul, you know, the world, so why I called the book the world nation, the world nation for me is like the ideal or the archetype of what a governance system is that is premised upon the world's soul. And, So the optimization of each individual within society is part of the optimization of the society as a collective entity, which is the world's soul. And so that, that's where all this stuff leads to because the either opens up the understanding of the universal.

So it's not just a change in technology that we're talking about and even social organization, but it's a fundamental change in our worldview. and my central premise across all my work is that philosophy is the institution ideally suited to serve as a custodian of this new paradigm that we're entering into. And so what we're greatly in the most greatly in need of in our society is of philosophical renaissance, which I think in the early stages will come as a type of intellectual movement that occurs. Because there's so many people who are orbiting in the world. in the world of philosophy, but there's like a basic skeletal structure that you have to adopt,

in my view, in order to qualify to really be, to qualify to be a philosopher, to be philosophical. And I think that if we could, part of the movement in my view is if we can establish that standard, I think a lot of people will come to it, and that's how you have all of a sudden a lot of people being like, hey, philosophy is the key, you know, from all these different walks of life. It's not like something that has to necessarily emerge, like one person coming up and saying, I have a new idea. It's philosophy. You know, I call my podcast a wisdom tradition because it is this, philosophy is this shared lineage. It's this shared resource that all we all cultures, all nations and people hold in common, each had their own great teacher at some point that was the bestowal of this tradition, every, you know, culture throughout time.

And so that's the thing that we desperately need is a clarification of what exactly philosophy is and why it's important and how we have to incorporate it and embrace it in what we're doing in order to course correct. Yeah, I think Gaffney words it a little differently, but he talks about the need for a new story of humanity. That's based in values, that's based in our own agreed upon understanding.

right and he talks a bit about um you know that the the the the rolemate wholemate or rolemate soulmate you know you have your role mate this is what i do this what you do this is how we work together soulmate is we're one step beyond that we know we're we're working on operating on deeper level and home is where i can stand arm and arm not just with my partner but with my tribe and view the horizon and see a shared a shared view and a shared understanding of how we approach what's coming next right I think values allow us to do that. Having a philosophical foundation that which we can all agree upon then gives us a premise to work together in ways that we haven't been able to in the past.

Yeah, exactly right. And for me, the next step, what I want to do is create a nonprofit that's based on fulfilling that mission. So that's my goal for the next year is to, I mean, ultimately, I'd like it to be like a philosophy-based think tank that's sort of based on an advanced application of these ideas of philosophy in various targeted areas, like AI or whatever. So that's what I ultimately like it to be. But in the initial stages, I just see the mandate is to train world leaders or social leaders, current and future,

in different areas of society in the core worldview and outlook and vision of philosophy. And so I really loved fit for service because I was like, I think what I want to do could definitely, coexist you know with what with what that is and and you know philosophy is not really not just about intellectual stuff but it incorporates the the health and incorporates the meditation it incorporates all the stuff that you guys are doing um the discipline as like the disciplines of philosophy you know and then and then it does have an intellectual component to it so um yeah that's but you're exactly right that's what the value of it is philosophy is this shared vision to motivate

shared action and and the great thing about it also is it's not a shared vision among like the labor class fighting against the other class it's like they all need to come to it in the wrong way you know but I think the specifically the people who need in the most immediate context are the people who are running the large corporations and right now their their version of this is like the we're looking out for you know so they're only getting materialism and of this very like a super ridiculous version of human history and idea about what human potential is and it's just all material it's all based on like the limitations of materialism right even transhumanism right I love that you touched on on gates and the eugenics movement and how like it's it's it's that never

went away you know it just got rebranded like it's completely alive and well it's naturally it's it's a psychology of oligarchy you know it's the way particularly particularly particularly when the change happened. So when the shift from the old money dynasties of Europe into the new money, the rise of the new money, the new money class was very more scientific and technologically oriented. But the old money class, the way that they justified their position in life was like through their birth, you know, you were part of a class that you were just hereditary. And the new money class, like a lot of those people came from, we were poor, and they rose to

become Titan. So it wasn't about birth anymore. It was more about like if you had achieved it, then you were the survival of the fittest and you were naturally the best. You know, so it became this, this, a new rationale needed to be discovered to justify the, the asymmetric wealth that a very small number of elite held over the masses. And so as the scientific age progressed, then that became, then you moved, you know, to, into more like specific ideas about genetics, and molecular, this or that, which none of that stuff has ever actually been justified as being legitimately scientific ideas, but that's where the trajectory of their thinking went and to this direction of eugenics because it's naturally about like, you know, our genetics are superior because

we're in a superior position. You know, you look at the struggling masses. It's not, you know, you don't factor in any of the other social economic context that keeps people in a poverty and in a poverty mind state. And then just blame it on the genetic. So it's naturally something that would be attractive to an oligarch, you know, and since, you know, the world economic form is basically an oligarchical institution, it's natural that it would be within that world, that that would be like the centerpiece of the idea. But it also goes to show you that looking at their ideas and their value systems and their vision, it's all materialism. So you know that this power structure that we know exists, it is powerful, it is moving a lot of things. we know that it's categorically different and separate from whatever's running the UFO program. So it tells us a lot, actually, the behavior of the World Economic Forum and everything that happened during COVID.

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It's all steeped in this doctrine of scientific materialism, which you can pick apart in all the vaccine people have done that. But you know that something else exists that is not identical to this power structure. That this power structure doesn't seem to even know. know about. Yeah. And that, it just makes it more dynamic and complex in terms of analyzing. But it's also not like, it opens up a door for maybe optimism or something beyond just

the outright pessimism of many people who are becoming aware of this shadow government in terms of the deep state and in this oligarchy and this mindset. It seems hopeless, like that we're up against that. But when you add in there's a third thing, that makes it more interesting and more dynamic in terms of, you know, maybe the inevitable result of globalization or technocracy isn't necessarily the Chinese model moving into the whole world because that is itself premised upon this materialistic outcome. So, and this paradigm of science and technology that's closed system.

So when you have the open system element, it looks, you don't know what it'll look like. We have no idea what it would look like. Yeah. That's something that I really love to. I was thinking about the, you know, having kids and trying to describe to them what life was like. There's some good Instagram channels that'll show like a clip.

Like this is what a 90s kid, you know, this is what an 80s kid they looked like. You know, it just goes back, takes you little generation by generation. They're done really well. Like trying to explain to somebody, you know, they're just used to having a computer in their hands. You know, like my kids don't have cell phones.

They don't get iPads or nothing like that. They're allowed to do some schoolwork on an iPad. We might watch a movie once a week or something. But if they see me on the phone, that's just a natural thing to them. They're born with it, right? And like, no, like, oh, this was plugged into a wall. And all it could do is call someone and it couldn't, it didn't have the internet.

It didn't have a computer. And you're trying to backtrack and think of all these things that are going to happen. And it's like, what we've seen in our lifetime was rapid. But what they're going to see in their lifetime, we'll put that to fucking shame. Like, it's going to be so much more rapid when we consider AI, when we consider quantum computing. And especially when we consider the type of energy tech that you're talking about. Yeah. Right.

Like that, there's no way to imagine it. You know, but I do have big, big hopes and prayers that that is the case. And if you consider, you know, like reading the yugas and diving into some of the Greek philosophers around, you know, the iron, you know, they used, what was it, iron, bronze, silver, gold, entering into an energy age, which also backtrack it. This looks like we're entering into an energy age right now, right? Like all the technological advancements, even from Industrial Revolution to now, have been massive. That shift is already taking place. why all the crummy humans fighting over shit? Well, because we're still in the Caliuga, right?

There's still a power struggle that's innate, that's an ego, that's in shadow, right? That needs to be worked through in order to fully move out of this thing and into the next. And what lies in the next is unimaginable, but it's also, you know, a complete jump, not only for us from a technological standpoint, but for us as a species. It was really red to think of it that way. You know, it gives me a lot of hope. Yeah, the time cycles, yeah, you wouldn't have talked about that. I didn't necessarily mention it, but maybe we'll go into that now.

But yeah, the time cycles, when I mentioned the idea of the collective, that becomes key. Because what you end up, when you start factoring these idea of large-scale time cycles, one of the things that emphasizes is that it's the collective evolving. And that as the collective evolves, the individual cells within that collective, which is each of us, we have our own window into that. And we have our own evolutionary journey within the context of this collective. But when you look at the great ages of civilization, like the Bronze Age, moving into the Axial Age, moving into the Middle Age, you know, these are great shifts that are taking place within the collective. And those collective shifts, they're larger, they're bigger than any one individual.

You know, no one has the impact necessarily to change these large ages. And it also tells us something about human will, free will, and human agency in the sense that, you know, we typically look at history as the idea is these great pioneers. who it was because of this person that this event took place. But we started looking at things in terms of time cycles and the collective soul. It's really like a person is depending on what their karma is or what their individual destiny is. A person might be born into the world faded to fulfill this kind of destiny, either good or bad, you know, depending on what their karma is. And I think that, you know, looking at just the people in the world today, it's like a lot of the people want to other, resort to othering when you see the behavior of some of our leaders, which I can understand. But, you know, in philosophy, it's like it's all part of unity.

So it's all one thing. It's all one consciousness, you know, dynamically in meditation with itself. And, you know, this world that we live in. And so, therefore, there is no ultimate other. actually same thing with the alien thing or anybody you want to other and say that well that person's demonically possessed or that person's Satan or whatever it's like all this is existing within a dynamic concept of unity and so there's something else going on that to explain the nature of good and evil that we need to resort to and that's one of the things I was interested I found interesting

in Aubrey's book is his attempt and his unique way of looking at the nature of good and evil and how it's not as simple as you need to reject all all evil and only be good because there's something more interesting. There's something in the evil that is being presented to you to assimilate in some way. There's some lesson there in the journey and the adventure in relation to this adversary. And so the idea of time cycles is actually in a lot of ways, based on the idea of microcosm and microcosm, it's basically, you know, that the world as a whole will go through an adolescence. It will go through a phase of childhood. It will go to, you know, towards maturity. And the idea in philosophy, Plato gets

into this, mainly hall talks a lot about it, but the idea of Atlantis, which represents a previous, it's not just a lost civilization, but it's a previous cycle. It's a previous age of human development. The human was in a slightly different form in that age. We had a different psychology was more psychic, but also more towards the collective unconscious. Also, the caste system was much stronger back then. There was a sense of personal identity, things that we take for granted today was lacking in that earlier time. And there's also this idea of paternalism. It was a highly paternalistic type of society in which there were these giants of thought and mind, which were the ones who were really responsible for building the great

pyramids. It was a relatively elite group within the old Atlantic civilization. The majority of people were in a relatively childlike state. And so those people were us, actually. And the fall of Atlantis represents the moving from that childlike paternalism and that order of our history now reincarting into a dynamic where gradually that paternalistic order collapses. And that's the story of 10,000 years going up to the rise of, you know, the fall of classical civilizations. the fall of pagan civilization. That was all part of an order that came down from Atlantis. But over the past 12,000 years,

and fits in stages through the collapse of Bronze Age civilization and classical civilization of Greece and Rome, and that was gradually coming down and basically dying so that a new age could be born. And the new age is one that we have to create through our own growth. We have to demonstrate our own growth out of this primordial, paternalistic age of Atlantis, where the great gods and the great teachers, which used to be, which always exists and exists today, but they used to be that they were directly

interfacing with society. They were the leaders we all knew and followed them. Now they disappear from view for various reasons. A lot of it you can talk, say synchronistically, it aligns with the emergence of the world cycle into a Caliuga, which is like a dark age or an age of materialism in which the material factor rise. to cloud the spiritual factor. And so yeah, that's the basic entry into the time cycle. So I talk about this in the beginning and the conclusion of the book, this idea of time cycles because it frames very accurately this circumstance

that we were talking about of American Empire and all of this, because it's carrying out if you can, it all depends on how you calculate the time cycle. So talk about the Yuga cycle, there's many different ways of interpreting it. And I stumbled upon, as I was putting the book together, I synchronistically came upon this one researcher who analyzed it in a way that it aligned with exactly with this other frame of interpretation that I used, which was more based around Plato and astrology. And the thing that both of those have in common,

and the thing I liked about this scholar's name is Bibudev Mizra, I cite his book in it. But the thing I like about his book about the yuga's is that he analyzes the yuga system in relation to the procession cycle, which is a tangible astronomical cycle that we can all measure. And so in his calculation of the timing of it, we're now at the very end of the Caliuga sub-cycle.

And so the Caliuga sub-cycle is, the ending of it is associated with the time of great transformation and where it's like the shadow, the collective shadow and the negative karma that we accumulated through this age of ignorance and darkness, spiritually speaking comes to a head in almost like a concentrated form almost like a collective death rebirth ritual that is part of this and then that's after that you you've hit the call the lowest point of the cycle is now

you've gone through it and now you're on the upward swing and so from an astronaut or from a story of time cycles that's that's the backdrop of all this that we're going on And that tells you that there is a rebirth on the, a rebirth on the other side. Yeah. Yeah, rebirth that's near to come. And I like the fact, I mean, it just feels good. Even just imagining being on the ascending, you know,

we're going six to midnight, not midnight to six. I know, because it feels very much like the story of history has been going from midnight to six, you know. Absolutely. And that's, and it's, you can feel that. Just going online and going on Instagram, it's just nonstop. Cynicism, cynicism, cynicism,

cynicism, which you understand it's warranted, but what isn't there is the vision of the other side of. So we're gaining an understanding of the shadow aspect of our governance and our society and of ourselves. We're seeing it manifest in all these different ways. And a lot of times personally in our own lives, we're seeing that confrontation with the shadows being driven by these larger cosmic forces and larger cosmic cycles. So we're able to more and more our articulate and be aware of the shadow, but we're not understanding that the shadow actually is the negative aspect of an archetype that has a light aspect to it as well. So the book, global government, the way it's been taking place because of this compartmentalization and secrecy,

we only really see the empire aspect of it. And so that's the shadow aspect. And so we're becoming more and more aware of the domineering elements of the American Empire and how much how disastrous that has been for our species and how bad it is for our lives today.

So we're aware of that and we definitely want change from it, but the only way we can get change is if we move to the next step, which is the vision part, because the change is only going to come from people coming together and working together according to a shared vision. And so that's where the light aspect comes

And I think philosophy, again, is the proper steward of that, of differentiating what the light and dark aspects are and what the meaning of them are and how to within your own life, but then also collectively how to transmute the darkness into the light. You know, that's all within the purview of philosophy. And that's really what alchemy is about. So the time cycles inform us a lot about what we're going through. And that's true on the planetary scale. like I was talking about these conjunctions of Pluto and Saturn. But then there's these larger time scales, time cycles like the Yuga cycle,

which transcends that and is even part of a large cosmic system. Hell yeah, brother. Well, you've done great, man. Great work. I highly recommend this book for anybody. We'll link to it in the show. Is it out now? Yeah, yeah.

We'll link to it in the show notes. I'll link to your substack and we'll throw them in the show notes as well. Yeah, yeah. And I look forward to continue the conversation, brother. As this goes on, this is awesome. Thank you for putting all of your energy and efforts into writing this. Yeah, thanks for having me.

Absolutely, brother.