Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #433 Nomadic Wisdom & Astrological Insights w/ Julie Dean Richards

Episode Date: November 23, 2025

In this podcast episode, Kyle welcomes back Julie Dean Richards, affectionately referred to as the 'crunchy legal lady'. Julie's diverse expertise spans working with Bobby Kennedy’s team, Children's Health Defense, and offering legal support to families on medical decisions. She also has a deep passion for astrology, which is the focal point of this discussion. Julie lives a nomadic lifestyle with her family, embracing the benefits of nature and minimalism. They transition from tent camping to living in a small trailer, exploring the unique experiences and profound personal growth this lifestyle affords. Julie delves into the intricacies of astrology, notably Zodiac releasing, which tracks life’s peak periods and post periods, providing insights into personal development and future planning. She touches on significant years in her astrological forecast, including 2025 as 'The Year of the Hermit' and 2026 as a pivotal time of new beginnings. The conversation expands to contemplate societal changes influenced by astrological transitions, particularly leading up to 2030, highlighting the importance of adaptability, freedom, and responsible use of advancing technologies. The episode emphasizes internal intuition and community as guiding forces for navigating future uncertainties.   Julie Dean Richards is an attorney, astrologer, teacher, and guide. She blends astrology, numerology, zodiacal releasing, and location astrology to help clients understand their path, work with upcoming seasons of life, and move toward aligned success. Her work bridges spiritual insight and practical clarity so you can see your true nature and navigate money, purpose, relationships, and challenges with confidence. Marked by her own deep spiritual awakening, Julie created Feminine Alchemyst: School of the Deep Feminine, a yearlong journey where women explore purpose, shadow, energetics, and sacred embodiment inside a supportive community. Her mission is to help you know yourself, live your destiny, and rise into your fullest expression.   Connect with Julie here: Instagram Free Divine Feminine Guide Check Out the School Book a Session   From Kyle: The Community is coming! Click here to learn more   Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind. To SUPERCHARGE YOUR STEM CELLS, go to qualialife.com/kyle15 for up to 50% off, and use code KYLE15 for an additional 15%. These are the b3 bands. They are amazing, I highly recommend incorporating them into your movement practice.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Kyle-Kingsbury Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site   If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

Welcome back to the podcast. We have the return of my friend Julie Dean Richards. You might remember her as the crunchy legal lady. She worked with Bobby Kennedy's team and Children's Health Defense. She also worked with Aaron Singh and Del Bigtree's team, helping families who were forced to do things they didn't want to medically, things of that nature, and helping families just see what their options were legally. Also on the flip side of that coin, which is where we spend most of the time today, she is a beast when it comes to astrology and the deep dive of what the stars mean for us. And I've loved her podcast. She's been on this podcast before, but I absolutely loved her 2025 intro to the year with Paul Check on a Spirit Gym. Check did the numerology on that.

It comes out to the year of the hermit number nine and the tarot cards. We dive into that on this podcast and really looking forward to having her back on. We're going to do another podcast at the end of this year that takes us through 2026. What next year looks like was probably spent half the podcast there and then we're going to finish with what these next years look like leading up to 2030. And if you don't want to know why that's a big deal, I spell it out for us here in this podcast but this was a great one i learned a ton as always um they're doing really cool things man they're very inspirational these guys have been to 32 states this year they sold their home they are living out of a minivan in a camper shell with three kids and a baby on the way that is just gangster

i mean it really is like it's it's freaking impressive so love julie it was awesome getting to meet her fam and hang with them she's got great kids a great husband and i can't wait to do this again at the end of the year all right share this far and wide and support our sponsors they make the show possible without further ado julie dean richards julie it's good to have you back on the podcast yeah thanks for having me it's been fun getting to know your family and just coming in person this time yeah first time face to face i had no idea well maybe you mentioned on the podcast but i just didn't like really think about it you guys have been nomadic yeah and it's you know it's one thing to do that i've had a lot of friends that were nomads you know post college that kind of thing

You can go to Burning Man or, you know, the Amazon you come back and you're like, I'm just going to live on the road for a while. You know, me and my girlfriend got a minivan. We're just going everywhere. And it's like, you guys, you're pregnant right now with baby number four. Yeah. So three kids and a baby on the way and you're doing it. Yeah.

Talk about that experience. I mean, that's wild to me. Yeah, it's so funny because it came on gradually. So my husband and I have always been travelers. He grew up overseas moving every three years to different countries, mostly grew up in third world countries. I lived in Japan and also we lived in India together before we had kids. And then we've always kind of had this itch to do something, you know, to travel, to give our kids experiences like we had going overseas and just spending time in other cultures, things like that. But it wasn't always

possible. Of course, I went to law school. And so that was like, we're not going anywhere. We got to stay planted for three years. But after that, we took this trip with our kids. and we thought it was going to be awful because all of them, you know, packed in the car, you've got three kids all together. But it was great. It was a long distance. It was a cross-country trip. We had a great time. And after that, we were kind of like, okay, maybe it's time to take this nomadic. Maybe we can do this. And it really was very gradual. Like it became, how are we going to do this? Are we going to rent out our house? Are we going to sell our house? What will we do? Eventually, we just decided like, let's take the leap. Let's sell our house. Let's get rid of

everything, which was really hard, but also incredibly freeing to get rid of stuff. I would, like, never describe myself as, like, a minimalist by any means. But after this, I was like, wow, it really does. Anyway, I have a theory about, like, the stuff you own is also on you. Like, the stuff you own is part of you, and it weighs on you. Oh, yeah. And it's such a huge thing. And getting rid of that was really freeing.

And so we actually started in a tent. So we tent camped for a few weeks because we wanted to know, you know, we wanted to start, what's the easiest way to start this with the lowest cost to us, and that is tent camping. We did it kind of fancy, not really fancy, but we had a power bank, so we could actually still plug things in if we needed to. So if we wanted to cook something, we could plug it in. We had some power. We had a big 14-man tent that we slept in.

And we were like, this is going to be awful. Like, that was the initial reaction is like, everyone listening is probably like, you have three kids and you're going to attend him. Like, how are you going to do this? This will be awful. And for my husband, we, for him, he has had a really hard time with energy since we had moved to Kentucky. And I would say I saw that astrologically because I do a lot of locational astrology stuff

for people helping them know where to live. And for him, I could see that this place really weighed on him physically. It was going to be a difficult place. And it had been. And so the idea was, like, how are we going to add all of this stuff into our life and him be okay physically? Like, he's so tired now. How could this change us or, you know, this is going to get worse?

But we were crazy enough to just try it and just see what would happen and experiment with ourselves, our bodies, all that kind of thing. and we always decided to sleep with the top of the tent off because we wanted to get the full exposure of light the whole time. And so starting tent camping within two weeks, his energy was completely different. Like he was a completely different dad. He picked up, you know, all of his, I would say while we were living in Kentucky, while I was going to law school, his, he was less himself, you know, like you just go in spurts and he was in kind of a lower part of who he is. because usually he's like super jokey and jovial and had kind of lost that.

And it was amazing to see how instantly he just completely changed back into himself. He was so happy. His energy came back. My energy came back. I started to heal things that I didn't think I would be able to heal. And I would attribute that a lot to having so much sunlight, like being outside so much in fixing our circadian rhythm by living in the tent. That was a huge game changer for both of us.

we thought we were going to be so crabby with our kids we were not crabby with our kids we had way more energy to deal with our children and our children weren't in nature so much that we didn't have to worry about them making a mess or trying to clean things up like when you when you live in a house this is going to sound like so obvious when you live in a house stuff goes places right like you have places for your stuff for a reason and then when your kids mess up the places that your stuff goes into then you get angry with your children and then you you're trying to it's the battle of put this away put your you know put all this stuff away keep this tidy and we kind of lost all of that by going out and living more in nature with them and they started to have they had a great time

they learned how to entertain themselves that's another big thing is tv you know we're always talking about trying to limit screen time right every parent's like how do i limit screen time right every parents like how do I limit screen time well if you live in a tent then you have no screen time there's there's zero screen time for your kids and they learn how to live without it like their natural instincts come back to be able to play in nature to be able to pick things up they start to learn for themselves again and they and I can see it every time we visit someone when we visit somebody and we go back into a house and they start watching screens with like their cousins or whoever it is, they lose that cognitive ability again. And they have to relearn it once we're back

on the road. And so we ended up doing the tent camping. For me, I had way more energy. Actually, it fixed my eyesight a lot. So I actually, for people listening who might understand what this means, my eyesight is negative four. So I have pretty, like halfway to legally blindness is like how bad my eyesight is. And I have been trying to heal my eyesight naturally for a long time. I believed in that for a long time that I could heal my eyesight. And I've been doing something through a doctor who Kelly Brogan, Dr. Kelly Brogan recommended. I had been working with her stuff, but actually being outside 24-7 in the light really improved my eyesight. Like, marketably, I could see much farther. and then when we had to go back inside, we started visiting people, I can tell my eyesight

drops. Like the less sunlight I have, the more my eyesight just starts to go. So that was a huge thing I didn't think was going to happen to me, energy levels going up, you know, having this ability to be calm, all of those kinds of things. So needless to say, we decided we loved it, but then it was like, oh, there's going to be a baby. We're going to have a baby. Oh, we might want to do this. The problem with tent camping is that it takes a long time to clean up. It's not the setup. The setup is totally fun. You can do the setup in 30 minutes, 45 minutes, not a big deal. Even like cooking outside, I thought cooking outside was going to be such a huge deal and like such a big inconvenience. But because you have more energy, it's way easier to do. You can do it

overtime. Like your energy adjust. If you're only camping for like two days, maybe it's a big deal to you but once your energy adjusts then you have you can do that you can cook outside you can do all the things the problem is it takes like four hours to pack everything up that is the problem it takes a really long time it's a lot of heavy lifting it's a lot of difficulty and so we decided to be able to move more freely that we would also we would get a trailer instead and also i'll be honest i was like a little bit of a scaredy cat about bears just a little bit going places where there's lots of bears uh not that like i know it doesn't happen bear attacks are really rare and everything but i you know it was when you're more vulnerable when you're carrying another child over sure right like

you want some extra protection even if it's just a trailer that's a part of nesting yeah yeah so we decided to we searched through tons of trailers we finally found the right one you know my husband's pretty tall he's not quite as tall as you but he's pretty tall we had to find one that fit him So it took us a long time. And we had to find one that our minivan tows. This is the other thing that people don't understand is we're doing all of this in a Sienna, a Toyota Sienna. Mini Van balling. I used to drive a Sienna.

I was a huge Toyota guy. I love it. That's right. It's been really, we needed something that our minivan could tow and we needed to upgrade our minivan so it could tow something, do some things to the engine, things like that. Anyway, so we finally found one that was the perfect fit. It was tall enough. It was just big enough for us.

you know it's only from the tongue to the to the end it's only 19 feet so it's quite small inside it's probably more like 17 feet but it has everything that we need and i so many people always ask me like how do you do that how i could never live in 17 feet with three kids like i couldn't do that and the real the truth about it is we're not actually living in 17 feet you don't right you can't you can i remember right when the tiny home shows were coming on tv my wife and I were living in my mom's garage. She had a detached garage. When I was fighting, I told you I didn't make any money. We start dating. I asked her to move in with me because I knew the previous relationship failed from us being in two different places half the year, right? So I'm like,

hey, let's roll the dice and see if this will work. It's going to be hard. After living me for a few months in my buddy's garage, we moved into my mom's attached garage. There's a little mini kitchenette in the bag. It's got its own bathroom. And then I just hose off in the backyard. That was like my shower. And we were there for five years. right we had bear at stanford hospital when we brought him home it was to that garage and i was like dude all these shows make sense until you have a kid you know and then he's just standing there but that was the thing like we were always outside i'd lay down blankets in the backyard on the grass and it's northern california pristine weather and we just hang out there the whole day you know in the

sun with the breeze go to the ocean go hiking there's so many things we could do i only work two days a week outside of training and i'd retired right before a year before having him that was a special time But I was also thinking the same thing, like, oh, how do you do it with so many kids? And then really, even for adults, you're not hanging out indoors. You know, like, even if you have a laptop now, listen to Jack Cruz and Alexis Cowan, like, I go outside if I have a work, a Zoom call or something like that. If I'm on a client call, I'm on the phone with the headphones walking. I'm not stationary. I'm not sitting indoors.

You know, big presentation. I'm going to go out in the backyard at least, you know, and get natural light and things like that. So it forces you in a way to get outside. And that's something we noticed about this house Is this house is bigger than anything I've ever lived in And I love it And it's a dream come true And these, my kids don't want to go outside often

When it's super hot or super cold They're like, oh, yeah, there's always this hum hon You know, so I'm like, all right, this is the year We get them perfectly ingrained to go out And have fun we start using, you know, Imagination and things like that And get them outside like all the time While the weather's nice, you know, for the next 10 weeks or so

and then the habits built. And so my hope is that habit will take them through. But so much where you were saying is making me think about Waldorf. When Bear was in Waldorf for a year, they talked about no screens whatsoever. And even not even buying dolls for the kids, like no action figures, no superheroes, no Barbies. And the imagination of a child comes alive when they're forced to play with sticks and make things, like whittle things, like actually create their own toys out of that. And I was thinking back to Little House on the Prairie. reading those to my little daughter and how you know this one year Laura finally gets a real doll her mom handmade

but before that it was a dressed up corn in the cob right corn of the cob with a wig and eye bottle was like that was her only thing she owned that was her her everything was this corn and the cob doll you know and like you could see it click like oh wow and like they got just the doll which was handmade and a candy cane that was their entire Christmas yep there was nothing else other than that what do you think of that like oh wow you know yeah it's like wow but it's like that that that's real to me right that's not like the we can point fingers about you know the commercialization of christmas or any of these things like that but it's like but most of us are participating in it you know myself included and uh there's you don't know what you don't know so i just bring that i didn't know

being in the house this big and awesome would prevent would be preventive and then want to go outside and play because it's the perfect temperature in here and they have all their toys and there's you know there's stuff in their rooms they have entire, the family room is basically theirs to go play in, you know, and there's pro wrestlers there's a whole bunch of cool stuff. So I think about that. Um, it's really resonant for me as you talk about this. And I've only known one person, Dr. Dan Engel went down to train as an Iowa skedero for a year. When he came back to the States, he could not sleep indoors. He said he had to sleep in a tent in his buddy's backyard for a year and a half just to get grounded to

the earth again to like be here in the 3D and be okay with it. Yeah. But like that helps. helped him come back to his body and, like, be fully present. And he's one of the most awesome people I know. And he's an MD with background in psychiatry and therapy. And he has all this background in shamanism, too. He's really one-of-a-kind guy. Anywho, though, so I love the frame of this is rad because it's something I've kind of, you know, like we talked about, I was telling your husband Moth, we talked about tending the land

and being stewards of the land and doing this stuff, you know, as we age. We thought this would be something that happened when we were older. and then 2020 happens like do we need to do this now and then everything kind of falls in a place and here we are but that is something that I've been really called to do is to travel and my wife used to travel everywhere in a 15 passenger van you know what I love about seeing you in the minivan in the trailers like you guys aren't doing it in some forward F350 with a giant fifth wheel on the back you know like you guys are doing it and you're making it work you have a fourth kid on the way like it's really inspiring and cool to see it can be done and the last piece is on the minimalist

piece is such an important one because my wife and I aren't hoarders like I love collecting books you're in the room with books right I think there's a lot of value in that and looking at Paul Checks library I see I see an immense value like you can't attach a dollar sign to his library right sure yeah but thinking about the value of things like that there is value in removing stuff I remember Aaron Alexander was telling me you know and it's also in eastern mysticism where they think about they talk about this as well that's why it's harder in some ways to be a householder than it is to be a monk Right? Because monks get to meditate all day and become one with God. But the householder has other responsibilities. They got to make, they got to pay bills. They got to do X, Y, and Z. And Aaron told me,

he's like, you know, a primary partner is like if you're the sun, it's like adding, you know, mercury, that first thing that's orbiting you. You know, then you had kids and they're orbiting around that, you know, and they're their little moons orbiting around that, right? You just start adding more and more. You own a car. You have a car payment. All these things are little orbits. Yes. And that really resonated with me. I was like, some of that's worth having as the orbit, but you're 100% correct. Well, if you have, the other thing we don't think about, and I will say a thing that is

controversial, which is houses are bad for us in so many ways. Like, houses are bad for us. Not in a, and I don't mean that as like, I would never live in a house and I'm anti-house and all this kind of stuff. But if you have space, you want to fill it, right? You will fill the space that you have with things. and most of the times we all it creates this like I need more I need more I've filled this space and I need more things and I need more things and the other piece of it of course we know that like

lots of houses can have things like mold you can have issues with the air you can have issues off-gassing of the paint that came in and the wood that they used yeah everything your beds there and it's so interesting if we think back even you touched on 2020 this whole idea that we had which was such a silly idea. Stay inside and that will make you healthy. What a silly idea to have that when we know that most people don't have efficient air filtering at all. You know, most people don't replace their air filters. Never even thought about replacing air filters. They're like, I have filters in my house. I don't know. Right. But we have all these toxins in one place in our house and we're constantly breathing it in. And where do we spend

the most time? I actually was just reading a book by Jenny Urick. She's, she's, she's, does a thousand hours outside that's her big thing she's been pushing this in a year or in a in a in a year okay yeah so a thousand hours outside i can't do math fast like that in the top yeah so i'm like what is that there's 24 in a day it's about it's about three hours a day outside that's what it comes out too yeah i'd probably get close to that yeah it's uh it really comes from i think charlotte mason or another uh one person in education kids need at least three hours outside a day and she has a book called until the street lights come on she has another book called homeschooling both are great books but one of the things that she cited was a study in

michigan by i think it's michigan university about how most kids get five to seven minutes outside a day five to seven minutes and a big part of that is the our school system right most schools which i i went to school in california i grew up in california we actually had a lot of outdoor space in our school. Like when you passed, the rooms were not connected to each other. So you would go outside to get to the next room and you would spend lunch outside and you do things like that. But I've found as you try, I have traveled and learn more, most schools are completely inside. Texas, yeah, it's all, they're all indoor here because the weather, right? Yeah, the weather. California was all outside for me too. Yeah. And you know,

you go up to somewhere like Michigan. Of course it's going to be. It's too cold. We have got to have everything inside, even like in Kentucky, places like that, anywhere in the U.S. And so, of course, kids are getting up, kids who are regular, I don't want to call it regular school, kids who subscribe to the school system that we have in the U.S., the government school system, will go from their house, they barely, they get into a car, so they're still not outside, and then they go inside a school and they're inside. Again, for eight hours a day, nine hours a day, if you have after school care because a lot of parents work, things like that. And then you go home and what do you have to do? You have to do

homework. You have to deal with that. Then are you doing that outside or inside? You're doing it inside. And so we have built this kind of regime around ourselves where we can't like it's so hard to get outside. And I always say, you know, the more you do of something, the more you want to do of it. And so it's really hard for people to get outside in the beginning because we don't do a lot of that. We're inside all the time. Like the more you sit, the more you want to sit. It's a lot harder to get up. So the more you go outside, the more you want to go outside. And that was the whole thing about tent life in the beginning. It was amazing because we were outside 24-7. We slept under the stars every night. And we wanted to be outside. We wanted to have those experiences.

And when we went back, we, while we were looking for our trailer, we spent time with my in-laws. And we were inside. They wanted, you know, come inside. You guys don't have to sleep in a tent. We want you to sleep inside with us, of course. And it was like the change was significant, right? Not only the change in like my kids' behavior, my behavior. I'm on screens way more. We're doing stuff way more. Are my energy starting to drop? My eyesight's starting to drop. I'm watching my kids get sick a lot easier. And, you know, we've created these places where we're in toxic environments all the time. And again, not that that's not necessary. I'm not saying like everybody go outside and live in a hut. We should do that.

but I am saying the from my experience having this experience because now we have the trailer and I would say we probably spend about 70% of our time outside with the trailer 70 to 80% depending because again you cannot live with three kids in it's like a tiny home right yeah like you can't you can't right so you have to be outside so we spend 70 to 80% out of time outside and I feel a huge difference it's a nice happy medium for us to be able to have a place to cook and things like that. And I see our health improving. But there's just like something special. There was like a really big special period of us being in the tent, being outside 24-7. You know, I really believe light can heal your gut. It can do tons of things for

you. And just having that first morning light being outside all the time. It makes a huge difference in our lives. And just the way that we like what we do with our life, what we decide. Like our kids, was another thing I've thought about with my kids because my kids are unschooled, like speaking about schooling and we unschool, I know you guys, homeschool, unschool, and watching them come back to their natural proclivities. We have this thing where we believe that after a certain age, like once you hit five years old, you can't teach yourself anything anymore. We better teach you stuff as a kid, right? Like before that, like if you think about a kid walking, you know, or crawling we're always like oh they'll do it on their own time they'll figure it out like you don't

like teach your kid to walk you can be a really go go go mother and try to teach your kid to walk like you can hold their hands and like you could but in the end the kid learns how to walk because the kid knows how to learn how to walk and they will watch you and they will imitate you and speaking is the same way yet we can try to claim that we taught our kids how to speak yeah maybe we we talked a lot, we introduced them to things, but they do it on their own. They have a natural proclivity to learn. They know how to do those things. And then for some reason, we lose this trust in our kids when they turn like four or five and we're like, oh gosh, we better get you in school. We better make sure that you can learn. We better make sure that you're literate.

And we are suffering hugely with an illiteracy problem in the U.S. all over the world, of course, as well, but mostly in the U.S., I would say, is like we're struggling for one of the richest nations in the world, and we try all this stuff with kids. You know, we're like, we've got to stop illiteracy. We better get them in school quicker, right? We better have like pre-pre-K. We better make sure that we, you know, are doing all the worksheets,

and we're telling kids, you know, every television show should be showing them how to spell. But I would say the vast majority of the research, shows that all those things don't actually work for kids and kids can learn how to read and write on their own as scary as that might sound for people it's legit i have watched it happen with my son both of my sons actually they my son taught himself how to read and and write at four years old my other son knows how to write all on all on his own like will we have this thing about letters like he will still ask me about what a letter looks like and because my husband is who he is, you know, like the B is the butt cheeks.

That's how you find the B, right? The D is the mega butt cheek and like all those kinds of things. We have our own system for him to understand. You know, dog manned it up a little bit. Yeah, like that's how he remembers. But they, you know, they come to me and they say when they're ready to read and they'll learn how to read, right? They have natural things.

And going back to nature and going back to this kind of lifestyle, I think has upped their ability to tap into that, to use their natural resources and realize, yes, I know how to do this. And they have different, you know, they learn different things. Like my younger, my middle child, he is much more kinesthetic. And so he's a great cook. He knows he can cook eggs. He can cook mac and cheese. He can cook tuna. He can make almost everything himself. You know, from the time he was like four or five, he flips, you know, patties by himself. He He does everything and that's his thing. You know, he learned math that way.

That's how he's been learning. My other son is like, I want to write comic books. You know, that's my, I'm in my own. He's more imaginative. But I have seen how taking them out into nature has reenlivened them. And it reenlivens me. It's reenlivened us for our abilities to learn. That's so cool.

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All right, back to the podcast. There's so many things you spoke to there that I think are important to frame. Like we talked before about, you know, 10 vaccines if you're born, you know, prior to 1986 or something like that, maybe it's 89, but 10 to 12 max for your whole childhood. Now, 72 plus all the COVID jabs. It's not even apples to apples, right? It's a totally different ballgame. But also when I was a kid, kindergarten was kindergarten.

and now, according to Leonard Sachs, who's a Ph.D. and Family Medicine Doctor, he wrote The Collapse of Parenting, Girls on the Edge, and Boys Adrift. Fantastic author. I've talked about him frequently on the podcast. He said kindergarten now is what first grade used to be for boys. And that boys are doing consistently better being held back at least one year, if not more, because their brains don't develop as fast as female brains do. And I saw this. It was like, damn, my little girl was walking and jogging at nine months, speaking very quickly.

got a word wrong in a story, she would tell me which word I got wrong in the story without knowing how to read. It was just memorization. Like she had locked in the exact wording of a story and would know immediately if I got something wrong. And we'd go months without reading that story and I run it back and I get one word wrong because I'm tired. She'll let me know what the real word is. Like, wow, that's crazy. But Steiner was a big guy on not teaching kids how to read before they were seven unless they have the desire to, right? Because some kids, come here with a different set, you know, and I want to talk about that too

from an astrological standpoint and a human design standpoint, because I think that's important. But just understanding, you know, we're all different, we all have unique gifts. Some kids will teach themselves that are very young age how to do that.

And that's like awesome. You're not going to, you shouldn't stamp that out. That's like a gift, right? Cool, you're into it. For sure, lean into that. But for others, you don't want to force them into that because according to Steiner,

that would give, make them, it would put too much of an emphasis on the analytical and rational brain as opposed to the intuitive and compassionate side, right, into the feminine side, right? And so I think that there's, that really makes sense to me. And if you look at a lot of the issues we have, like, oh, patriarchy and this and that. It's like, well, yes, but it's also more nuance than that. Yeah. We are, you know, since the Renaissance, we have, we have the pendulum swings both ways and it swung so damn far away from any spiritual understanding that it's like,

if science can't prove it, it doesn't exist. Right. Right. It's like, that's kind of where we're at. And then to the now, we're the point where science has become dogmatic, right? Trust the science. Trust the science. The science, what was it? Not the science is complete. The science is, what was Fauci saying? The science is set, something of that degree.

He said he was the science. He loved everyone. Yeah, he was fucking unreal, right? Like, you don't understand science. That's not what science is, dude. Yeah. Science is never finished. Like, science is always, let's probe it and see and recreate it if we can.

Yeah. So, you know, and we see that through the isms, right? And Jung warmed about that. Scientism is no different than any, and their dogma. But I think that's such a cool thing. I think there will be the pendulum swings back, especially as we have since COVID,

you know, Salatin, Joel Solitin that we were talking about last night, said at least one and a half million people in 2021 and 2022 became homesteaders. So you have more people living on the land, being outside more, taking their school into their own hands. Yeah. Homeschool co-ops exploded in 2020.

Totally. You know, and so like you don't have to, you know, a lot of parents don't want to teach or you have, or you have both parents working and you can't. And I get that. And then, you know, through Thomas Cowan,

he got me into unschooling with Ivan Illich. And like that was just a whole reframe on education in general. Because there's a lot of people, myself included, will talk about, hey, this shit was set up from the Rockefellers. Yeah. To make us, even the push for women to move into the workforce wasn't for equal rights. It was to get two taxable people in one house. Like, they had nothing to do with women's rights

and everything to do with getting more in taxes. and then who watches the kids, well, we got that with daycare. We got that with other, you know, government-approved people that are going to watch over your kids and train them to be a member of the state. Yeah. So understanding that side of education is like a whole different piece, but Illich goes so deep in that little book on like an international caste system is what he calls it, right? And this was crazy to me because I didn't understand this.

I had read Lame Deer Secret of Visions on John Fire. lame dear, one of my favorite Native American stories. And he talked about repeating third grade from third grade through the 12th grade. Oh, wow. He, they capped Native Americans and Indian, American Indians at third grade for nine years. They didn't, they still had a stay in school. Wow. They kept getting the third grade education, right? And so when he would go to say, you know, I graduated, you couldn't say he graduated high school. He only graduated third grade. That was by design. In Peru, they had done that, Illich talks about it in that book. would cap someone at ninth grade. Better than Indians, but it's still not good because they didn't

have a high school diploma either. So they'd come down from the Andes and say, oh, I don't want a real job or show me your high school diploma. I don't have one. I went to high school, but I don't have a diploma. Oh, you didn't finish 12th grade, right? Same thing, but it's wild to think of it that way, but that's a whole different way of picturing schooling. And I, you know, Tom's Cowen had some great useful ideas of how unschooling actually works when you let your kids choose for themselves. Yeah. Right? And a lot of people would say, well, what about this and that?

You know, what about, and they're always looking to, that's because we're trying to keep up with the Joneses. We've been forced to think that we need to have our kids at a certain place, at a certain date. I was a TED talk with a guy who was walking around on stage, professional baseball player, former professional baseball player, said I 30 minutes into his talk. He goes, I bet you wouldn't have guests that I didn't walk until I was two years old. right and it was like you could hear it was like audible like holy shit you didn't walk to your two right like everyone thought there was something wrong with him and dude ended up playing professional

baseball he's doing a TED talk right like people develop at different different times the Kalman talked about four kids between the ages of 10 and 12 none of them could read or right none of them had ever taken a class completely unschooled and those four kids got with a lady who had left Waldorf but a lifelong Waldorf teacher who then taught those four kids what they wanted to know and within two years all four of those kids that were started between 10 and 12 or now between 12 and 14 all of them had surpassed their peers in every category scholastically and some of them were taking college level courses and the things they really excelled at that's mind-blowing in two years they made up for all time lost and then you hear you know with many

of the homeschool families like they're done in two to three hours their whole day is two two, three hours. Yep. And they are excelling past whatever the standard education is, far better than the standard education. So if they can get it done in two to three hours, why is school that long? Why is it 730 to 330 to 330 with homework and all the other shit? Like that's something right.

I can't, that doesn't, math doesn't make sense. It just doesn't, you know? It doesn't. Well, it's because I, and you probably already know this, but a lot of our system is based off of Persia and the Persian army. and the way that they ran the military there and how those military, you know, how they would break up, they had their own school system and they based their school system off of their military and to make kids be able to go into the military and be ready and be soldiers.

And we decided, oh, we really like that. We want our kids to be like military kids. And if you're going to do that, you need the time. I mean, there's so many reasons for it. You could say they take all the extra time because they have so many children and it takes forever they're not actually doing things all day right like a lot of it is like oh sit down be quiet no you be quiet now don't get up go don't do this and you've got to you know get the kids in line and get the kids in line if anyone who has taken care of multiple children

know that knows that it's really difficult to get a group of kids to do what you want them to do at the time you want them to do it and so of course we made everything like the military how do you do it like how does the army do that how do you get a group of men to do what you want to want them to do when you want them to do it will you break their will you know you train them to be more robotic and to do what you say and and to be able to do that there's a reason the army puts you through basic training right like there's a reason that you spend all the time that you spend in the army doing what you do because it's that time that they get to override your brain right and it works even better with kids because when you start your subconscious is totally open

like your filter is not all the way there yet until you're like seven or eight years old so your brain is just open to like soak in everything that is being given to you and so they listen to these authority figures right we run we run our school system like the army runs and we do it to because we prize order over everything and we prize compliance over everything else and that's the reason that we do it the way we do and we can say that on a practical level right when earlier when you were talking about um you know sometimes we we have this thing where we're like, oh, the patriarchy, the patriarchy, there are really practical reasons that things are made in a masculine, have a masculine energy to them, right? Like not in any bad way, but like the masculine prizes efficiency, right? It prizes efficiency. Let's get stuff done. Let's get what have you been saying forever, right? Just do it and get it done and like how productive you are is your worth. That's what your worthwhile thing is. And so we take this into every aspect of our lives. It's very practical to be to say, okay, I want all you kids to learn the same thing at the same

time and to be on the same level. And that's why we create all these standards, right? Like by third grade, you should be able to read this or like by this, by this time, you should be able to do this because it gives us a checklist. And that checklist is really easy. It's a lot easier than taking kids in the wild as they are and being like, oh, this kid is over here cooking and loves this thing. and this kid is over here writing comic books and trying to play to both of those levels. It's just impractical, right? And so there are lots of good practical reasons that we do things the way that we do. Is it actually based on what's best for the child or for humanity?

No, not necessarily. But it is quite efficient. And that's why we have it the way we do. And of course, it's very convenient and efficient to have kids in school from the time they wake up until the time they have to eat dinner. That's efficient. right it's and and in many ways our school system is a babysitting system right it's a place and not and I don't want to throw shade there's going to be like parents who are like how dare you I have to work all day like

I'm a teacher I'm a public school and I'm good and I love my job yeah yeah and it's not that they're not good teachers right like it's not about being a good teacher or not caring about your kids I know so many teachers who care about their kids and I know lots of families who you know they would really struggle if they didn't have someone there a place for their kids to go because we've lost so much of our community. We've lost our ability to have these communities. We're very separated, right? So it's not, again, all practical reasons, all convenient reasons.

But it's very much has become our babysitting system as well. It's a place that we put our kids. We have after school programs and things. It's a place where they can go so we can get done what we need to get done. And for some people, honestly, so that we can have time away to breathe or whatever. we or pursue our interests or pursue what's good for us instead of being focused on children because the biggest thing the other thing that I've heard my whole life and this kind of goes back to part of the quote unquote women's rights movement is about you know this idea that with

children you can if you had children all the time you can never get anything done right we have to get rid of our kids as early as possible so that we can have our own career and our own stuff and that's not to say I am a career woman listen I worked corporate like I went to law school this is not about like it's a bad thing to have a career if you're a woman or a parent it's not about that at all that's that's not the point but the the point is that we have forgotten how to work with our children and oftentimes we see children as the end goal right like I want to turn you into this efficient person at the end I want you to learn these skills at the end and I also want to get what I want to get done and therefore this system is the easiest

way to do this. I put you in the system. They teach you all the things. I get to pursue what I want to pursue. When win, it just has a lot of expenses that we don't often count on, that we don't perceive until you look at kids like you said, the kids who are unschooled are kids who are in communities and you see those huge differences. It's not homeschool kids statistically always do better when they're going into college. They get into college more easily. They are able to take college courses earlier because it's interest led. They're able to pursue their interest. They're able to do what they need to do. They pick up things more quickly and we get so worried. Like I've heard people say, oh yeah, this woman, her kid can't read and they're eight years old. Like I should call

CPS on them because they're eight years old and they can't read. And I just think how silly, like how silly it is that we've made this arbitrary standard for where your kid should be or where your knowledge should be. And if you don't meet that standard, there must be something wrong with the parent, first of all, right? Like there must be something wrong with the parent or there must be something wrong with the kid because every kid should be able to learn by the time they're eight, just like you were talking with the baseball player. You know, ever, you should be able to do this by this time and like who says you know efficiency says right it's very efficient it's great if it's it's very efficient you know but is that actually best for our children lots of times that's not

well we touched on you touched us there on the fact that you're you know you this is our second podcast you know you went by the crunchy legal lady you've been on paul checks a number of times and other friends i think that's who introduced us and um you know you've worked for bobby kennedy you've Uh, did you work with Aaron Singer? Aaron Siri, Siri. Yeah, I, Aaron Siri, Del's, Del's guy. Uh-huh. So, Del Big Trees guy, you know, like, these guys are like the crem della creme heroes on my list.

Yeah. From Children's Health Defense to everything that, that Dell's done. Del's been, you know, Del, I got to meet him because our kids were in the same homeschool co-op. So I love that connection. And I want to, you know, we touched on that piece, um, I think more in the first one, but I'd love to expand into this other avenue where you, you know, you really have this bread and butter.

understanding of the legal system. And I think, you know, you were helping many families who got screwed by the mandates, which weren't legal. And people lost jobs, lost retirement funds, lost all sorts of shit, which is totally illegal. So I know you were doing a lot of that in 2020, but you have the second love in astrology. Yeah. And that's such a fascinating to me, because, you know, it's not just horoscope shit. Like, oh, Merchery's in retrograde, don't sign a contract this month. It's like, you know, this is very personal to the work. that you do in in the sense that it is personalized to understand the star charts and understand like what what is likely to happen you know while we're here and and I'd love for you to break some

of that down like I remember you know you've talked about what got you into it in the first podcast but I want to explore some different things there first and foremost you know like the I guess just the the what did bring you into that like what got you there and then I want to talk about you know you talked about your husband not doing well in Kentucky yeah I've heard from other people like being near your birthplace on your birthday is really recharging as well. I've heard that from people before, but I'd love to dive in as this is a topic because your podcast you did with Paul Check on 2025 is the year of the hermit.

I want to talk about that and then I want to get into 2026 another cool show. Yeah, we should. Let's do it. I'm excited. Yeah, and just to clarify for people, so yeah, I did work on Aaron's series legal team. I was a law clerk. I worked with them all through law school. And when you work for Aaron, you work for Dell.

You do a lot of the stuff. Like, I used to write the legal updates for the highway that used to be. Cool. Yeah, and did stuff like that. And I'm like the person. So for people to get an idea, I was the, I'm the person who does like the deep research, right? Like, I have to listen to all of the vaccinologists and listen to all of their interviews and figure it out. And then do the research and actually find out, you know, look at the actual inserts.

And I write up all the stuff. And then that stuff goes to Aaron and Aaron says it. right you know or dell says it or you know doing that kind of and of course working with clients on the the legal side of course doing research for their cases and during when bobby was running for president Aaron and the legal team took over a lot of his stuff because he just didn't have time to do that and so we did a lot of stuff for bobby during that time and I actually got to have dinner with him I mean lots of other people were there so it's not like he would really remember me, but Bobby is really cool. So I am grateful for that opportunity. And that's kind of part of the story

about astrology is I actually was an astrologer before I went to law school. So I have recapped this before. I worked in the research world for a while. I did consulting for people like Harvard and Yale and Stanford, you know, on studies for a tech giant and just basically, and this was more survey research. We did other stuff besides that, but mostly, consulting them on survey research. And it was during that time that I got really disillusioned with a lot of things because I could see how data got changed. I saw fraudulent studies go through. I saw all kinds of stuff and how we were manipulating things. And that's what kind of woke me up to, okay, I've got to look at this for myself. Like I've got to actually start reading all these things

for myself because I'm seeing what's happening with my own eyes. And I've got to figure out what is life basically? Like, what is this big thing? And during, that time, as I was unwinding all of that, I decided to look into herbalism. I went and worked with a trained herbalist, and I went to retreats and things. And I met a woman who was an astrologer through that avenue. And I was very skeptical. Like, I am a natural skeptic to a lot of things. I was natural skept. If I hadn't worked in the research industry, I might still just be, like, a mainstream person. Like, I might be like that if I hadn't had seen it with my own eyes. And so when I got introduced to astrology, I was very naturally skeptical on like, okay, how can this help you?

How is the stars like actually affecting you? Does that actually work? But she impressed me with her reading that she did for me, just as friends, we were just chatting and how she was able to know so much about me by looking at this chart. And when I looked at the chart, most people have not actually seen an astrological chart before. It's actually quite complex. like people just think about horoscopes but it's really complex it's its own language and that's how I think about myself now is I'm an interpreter I'm also a polyglot so I speak five languages so for me interpretation is something that makes sense right linguistics is something that makes sense and

that's how what I would say I would say when you are an astrologer or human design reader or anything like that you're an interpreter and the way that she interpreted the chart when I saw that chart I my brain it was like I knew it before like I had seen it before there was something about it that was so familiar to me and I knew that I had to know everything about it and then I just started to deep dive I got mentored by this woman as well a little bit but I like it's not enough for me right like I have a research background and I need to know if I need to know everything about something I will find out everything about that thing like that's that's my job and so that's what happened with astrology and that's why I have branched out into so many different parts of astrology now

and I started doing readings right before I went to law school and I did it throughout law school as like some extra cash on the side and I grew so much through that time and I've expanded my abilities into really old and rare techniques. That's like my, of course I can't do like the normal thing. I have to do like all the weird things like all the esoteric stuff which is amazing. you and I have done zodiacal releasing before, which tells you about peak periods in your life. I do locational astrology, which like zodiacal releasing, I think there maybe are 100 astrologers total who know what that is. Break that down because this was fascinating when we did this. And I was like, so much of it really did out up because we went back in time and you can, you can talk about

that too. We went back in time and I was like, oh shit, that was right when I went on the ultimate fighter. Yeah. My life changed immensely from that point on. Before I, before going the ultimate fighter was fighting professionally but in small shows for like a hundred bucks or a thousand bucks like i was a pro fighter but i wasn't you know it's like it's like saying like you're you're an arena football player can say he's a paid pro football player but if not if you're not in the NFL you're not a fucking pro football player right you could say i was a pro fighter because i was being paid to fight but i wasn't in the ufc being the ufc is like now i'm in the highest level of the organization of you know the sport period and that was the first time where i really

treated myself like, oh, this is my job. This is what I'm here to do, is see as far as I can go. And, man, my life got incredibly complex from that point on, you know? Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah, and that happens all the time. All right, guys, quick break to tell you about one of our longest running show

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re-dug-up. I probably in the 80s or something, they finally started going through and translating his texts. And Zodiacal releasing was one of his techniques that he talked about in these texts and that they translated Chris Brennan, who's an excellent astrologer, did a lot of work on this. And in astrology, people don't think about this because people think about like, oh, astrology, it's this woo-woo thing. And like, of course, you don't have to have. any kind of credentials to do anything or whatever. But actually, there are astrological journals just like there are scientific journals where you have to do research to be able to prove that an astrological technique is reliable and

that it's usable and that it works. And so although the stuff with Valens was translated probably in the 90s, we've spent the last like 20 years trying to prove, is it legit? Is this a legitimate technique? And so now finally, that's why so few astrologers know about it, know how to do. do it. Now we're finally using it because we've been able to show, okay, this technique is legit, it works. And what it does is it allows me to see basically the layers of your life and the peak periods in your life. When, and when I say peak periods, I mean, I can see what times

in your life will be the busiest, the most important, and the most viewable from the outside perspective. When will you be the most viewable? So for you, when we were going through your stuff, you, when you did that first fight, when you went on the ultimate fighter, that was the start of your peak period, right? That's when everything shifted for you in your life because you became much more seen. People could see you from the outside perspective. It was one of the most important things that had happened to you. So we're able to kind of see this on a macro level, so like your whole life. And then we can break it down to months, years, and months and days. So it's super useful for if you want to plan campaigns, if you want to plan, you know, when to do things or when not to do

things, because I can tell you, not only can we look at, okay, this is going to be the busiest time for you and probably the most important where you're making decisions, but I can also tell you, oh, these times in your life are going to be harder. These times are going to be easier. These are going to be where you're going to get more of your dividends. This is going to be where you're going to have to hold on and be a little stoic about your life and grid it out, right? so we're able to look at that on on the layers of your life and I like to combine this with numerology because I use numerology as a tool to for timing as well I combine this also with what's called transits which is how the stars are moving right now what's happening right now in the sky

and when you have all of that it's a really potent I can get a really potent picture of okay this is likely what's going on in your life during this time these are openings and I like to see it as windows because there's not just the peak period in your life, right? Like people, and that's where people get really, you've got to be careful with this technique because people can get really obsessive, right? Am I in a peak period? Is this my time? As if the rest of your life is not important. And this is why I talk about Warren Buffett when I talk to people about these periods, because you've got your peak period, which is where, you know, you're making the most important decisions. Probably it's busy. I like to think about this more as like this is peak period, like peak time at Disneyland,

right? Like this is like going to Disneyland in August or whatever, which is like, do you really want to go to Disneyland in August? I don't know. Like it's a second. Like most people have to go to Disneyland over the summer because of the way our lives work, you know? But so when you go there, there's going to be tons and tons of people. And it's an important day for for Disneyland because they're going to get tons of money because more people are going to go. So very important. But also, So there's going to be more fights. There's going to be more difficulty with customers. You're going to be dealing with all this stuff, right?

It's more visible. It's more important. We're planning for it more. So that's what the peak period is like. Like, is it the most comfortable all the time? No, it's not always the most comfortable. Sometimes it's pretty sucky. But it is more visible and it's always going to be more busy, right?

And you're going to be making important decisions. Like if something happens during the peak period at Disneyland, people are going to know about it. Like there's more, it's more likely to be explosive or something to happen. right so peak period is important but it's not your whole life there's other parts of your life the first i compare this to a mountain right the first part it's not always the first part of people's lives but the the first period is called a prep period or like a building period which is what it sounds like right we're preparing we're doing more of that research we're building up up up we're learning things we're more focused on that upward trajectory in climbing that mountain than we

are at the peak. Then you've got the peak period. And then after that, you have the post period. So I like to do this with PPP, prep peak post, right? And, but the post period could also be called the cool down. It's a time where we're cooling down. In the post period, people, when they find out they're in a post period, they're always like, oh, my life is over. Everything's like, it's not going to be good again. And it's like, no, actually, the post period's really important. It's sometimes it's a lot better than the peak period because in the post period you get a lot of the dividends that you've been working for because in the peak period you're working freaking hard you're doing all this stuff it's super busy and in the post period it's like okay here's the fallout from everything you did

here's good or bad and lots but lots of times it's good lots of times you end up making more money in the post period lots of times things start to come together because during the post period you continue to do a lot of what the same stuff you were doing in the peak but you are perfecting it right you're perfecting you're able to do it better you're wrapping things up you're finishing things and then once that's done we go back into a build period right we have a new fresh start and we get to climb another mountain so that's kind of the way it works and with warren buffett i i use him as an example because he did not make the most money when he was in his peak period he made the most important trades in his peak periods and he bought the most important stock which made him a billionaire

in his peak period, but he did not become a billionaire until his post period. So was his peak period really important? Yeah, that's when he's working a lot with Charlie Munger. He found his partner. You know, he's doing tons of stuff during that time. Very important. But the post period is where we got a lot of these dividends. I mean, his peak period is where he had a lot of controversial stuff happened in his life and his home life too, right? Like it's not just on one front. It's not just your career. It's your personal life as well. And now that's kind of, I don't know if it's really cool. on his life because I'm not in his life but now a lot of that has cooled down and he is able to do things you know he goes and he teaches he does whatever he wants because he has billions of dollars right

which for him is like living in the same house which he's always lived in and like sitting around and waiting for his stocks but you know that that's what it looks like for people right it's not the peak is not always the best but it is quite important and it's quite visible to everybody else. I love that. That's a really good framework. And this can be seen for anyone, right? So this is something where you can go through and see.

And if you've paid attention to the big moments in your life, things will line up. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This lines up perfectly there. And then there's stuff in the future. You know, it was funny because I was telling you that you were the second person. And you did it through astrology, which is different. But actually, and then it happened again through a human design guy.

But 2026, there's supposedly a big surprise. coming, which is hilarious, because I don't think I have any sperm left. They're long gone. I really do. So now I'm even more curious because for a long time, we wanted to have a ton of kids, and we thought at least three. Yeah. And we met a buddy of mine.

I actually just sat on the podcast. I coach his kids in Jiu-Jitsu, Dr. Dan Party. They have three kids that are five years apart from each other. So I was like, that's our kids, you know, Baron Wolf are five years apart. And Wolf turned five this year. And I was like, if we're going to do it, this is kind of the year. maybe 2026 will be the year. But it's just funny to think about that.

Like, we're out of diapers. You know, like she's wiping her own butt. We're brushing her, she's learning to brush your own teeth like you're on easy street. Why go another one now? But they had done it and super. And they're happy and they got a great family. Shout out to the parties. So they showed it was possible, right?

But I think, you know, when I think of big surprises, you know, they could be anything. Oh, yeah. But generally, you know, a big surprise, like what could be the biggest surprise is like another kid that you don't expect. That would be like, holy shit. all right let's do this yeah and i i don't remember your exact chart so we'll have to look back and i'll have to see what period of life it in what um part of your life it's in and things like that because we might be able to unfurl that a little bit more but i do remember also what i'm going to check my notes not to cut you off but i want to see when the peak period ends because it feels

like there's no end oh yeah i'm like damn dude i know it's coming at some point i just did write that down on the whiteboard though i know like you hustle bust your ass until here let's get to this date and then see what happens. Yeah, for sure. And that's like the cool thing about Zodiacal releasing is like we get actual date windows, right? It's not just like a nebulous time period. It's like from this date till this date, it's you have this big window, which is really cool and freaks people out. Lots of times when I do this and we go through the dates just like you, they'll be like that date is really important to me. Like this is a big date. Like this happened to me. Or this window of time is really important to me. So that's another really cool thing about it is we get down

to like specific windows of time that way, which is not always quite possible with other techniques, which is why I love it. But yeah, I don't, I don't remember all the things, but we'll have to go over it after the podcast. Yeah, that's right. So, because I do remember you being like, oh, maybe we'll have a baby or maybe I said that. I don't know. I can't remember. Yeah. Well, that, I mean, there's, there's been three now, three different people, one from a human design standpoint, one from an astrology standpoint and yourself, and then one from an intuitive standpoint, Mary Margrave, that have all mentioned that, on all three, too, mentioned that this, you know, these next two to three years will be very individuating, you know, like, this is like my

time to, it's not to say I won't or can't work with other people, but that the vast majority of the work that I do will be solo. Yeah. And that's, that's made perfect sense since the death of fit for service and, you know, me building my own, my own digital community and all the things that I'm doing there. Um, so that's, it's, it's right on time. I mean, right on time. And it, really felt like that. I told you that it felt like we were getting kicked out of the nest. It's time to fly or not, you know? There's no other, you either fly or you drop to the ground, you know? So, time to fly. That's it. Yeah, you're going to fly. Don't worry about it. It'll work out. It'll work out. But it is funny how it always works that way. And I like to say, because people

also ask me a lot about predicting the future. Is that what you do? Are you predicting the future, right? And we give forecasts and things like that. A lot of the time the way that I look at it is astrology is a lot like the weather right and I can forecast the weather to you and I can tell you you know it looks really rainy or it looks snowy or it looks out of the blue but you always have the ability to go out naked in the snow if you want to right like you can do that weird stuff can happen regardless of the weather but to me a lot of what I do is I'm finding patterns that that's my thing and I always say this patterns are power. are power. If you can find the pattern, you have all the power because you know what's going to

come up. And that's what all of these techniques, whether it's human design, whether it's numerology, whether it's astrology, they're trying to show you the pattern. There's a grand scheme. There's a grand pattern. And we watch the pattern. And when you learn from the pattern, you can see how the pattern repeats. And it's really just an ascending spiral, right? Like that's how it works. Everything is kind of this ascending spiral. And it might not be exactly the same, has the same energetics, it has the same feeling, and it spires upward. And so, yeah, you're always going to be right on time, right? Like, things are always going to be right on time for you. Even if we're like, I'm in this really sucky place right now, well, yeah, you're in this part of

the cycle, but the cycle's going to move, and you're going to have other patterns. And you get to choose what you want to do with those patterns. We see this a ton in numerology, right? Like you have a nine-year cycle that you're all constantly going through. Each year, you can calculate your personal year you can calculate your personal month and I have seen people do the exact same things in the exact same months like nine years apart like they're doing the same thing in the cycle over and over again we just don't track it enough to be able to see it with our own eyes right like how many of us actually are really good about journaling and remembering and data but it's it's really cool to see these patterns play out and that's why it's fun to do it on a macro scale right like

It's fun to do it on a worldwide scale because we can look back in history and we can kind of see, okay, this is how historically this has played out in the past. And now we can see how the energetics will be when this plays out again. And is it always the same? No, it's not always the same. So like, let me give you an example because this is one, everyone is losing their mind over this right now. So Neptune is going into, is in Aries right now. And it will be on the cusp of Aries for a while and and when the last time this happened it was during the civil war was when the civil war starts so everyone has been losing their mind we're going to have we're going to have another civil war that's what's going to happen to us and I would say there's probably a lot

of people who've been talking about that a lot I mean outside of the astrology sphere well they had that fake you know Netflix movie that basically showed you know this is going to I think Barack Obama funded it or some shit yeah yeah yeah yeah I was like come on yeah yeah pure propaganda right there. Well, and there's, you know, there's lots of different reasons, um, not to be too controversial, but like, you know, lots of people talked about this when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, right? Like, are you on this side or this side? Like, we've been like that for a while, like, which side are you on? And, you know, are we going to have this war? But, uh, with Neptune and Ares, right? Everybody's like, it's going to happen again, right? All these shifts or even

like, Uranus and Gemini also correlates to a past war. as well. So we've got Uranus just shifted into Gemini. Again, so with planets, they don't just, although the way that we, astrology is based off of the way that we see planets moving in the sky. So it's all from our perspective. Like we're the center of it when we look at astrology. And so what happens is to our eyes, the planets move back and backward and forward. Not all planets but most of them like the moon doesn't do this the moon is always moving sorry the moon is always moving forward but we'll see that's what when we talk about retrogrades like mercury is in retrograde what we're actually saying saying is when we look up at mercury and we see mercury

it looks like mercury is going backwards or it looks like mars is going backwards and so what happens is planets dance between two different signs often they'll go forward for especially planets that are further away from us they will look like they did and they're because they move a lot slower it takes them a lot longer it to to circle around so there's right now these planets these big shifts we had huge shifts in 2025 all these planets moved into these different signs and we're getting new energy and things are shifting but they're kind of playing on the edge you know they're going back and forth they're going back and forth and that's why i feel like we're also teetering on these things, right? We're talking about, I mean, there's tons of wars going on, right? We're talking about

lots of wars. What are we doing in the wars? What are we not doing in the wars? Where should be? What shouldn't we be? And so the same thing with the civil war concept, right? We're teetering on the edge. It looks like we're teetering. We're coming back and forth. We talk about it. Something happens like the assassination. It seems really imminent. And then, you know, we ease back. People cool off. We cool off. We ease back. And I can't say for sure what will have. happen when Neptune, because there becomes a point when the planet's in that sign and it's going to be in that sign for a long time. It's going to stay where it is. Like right now, Pluto had been teetering back and forth. Now Pluto is an Aquarius. For sure, it's going to be

there for 20 years. Like that is the way that it goes. We're seeing the shifts. We're seeing the technology shifts that we thought we would see. And so we will see what it looks like when these planets finally really dip into these places. But I always try to remind people it's not going to look one for one the same, right? It's not going to look one for one the same. It may look similar to civil war energy, right? It may be similar to that time. But the civil war is not the only thing that's going on during that span, right? There's a shift in consciousness. There's a shift in the way that we see people and products and things. There's a shift into the way that we are using technology right and the industrialization of things there's a shift in the medical sphere so we often focus

on like the biggest thing because we're like war like a civil war would tear us apart like that would be like the biggest thing that could explode our lives but we have to remember there are tons of other shifts that happen during those times and that those shifts can be just as important and sometimes those shifts can take the limelight and in ways that we just don't expect, but we can expect something about that energy to be the same. Yeah, history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. Yeah. I fell in love with the understanding, the remembering of the cyclical nature of time.

Yeah. Via books like the Uyghas and then the fourth turning, which I think is fantastic. And to your point, you know, there's four seasons in a year. There's four seasons in the fourth turnings, 20 years apiece, 80 year cycles. And those are cycles within cycles, within cycles, because the great year's 25. thousand in change so and there's you know four there you four yugas that within that within the great year um but we we started the crisis period in 2008 and that included COVID and it might include war at the end and it's going to end 20 28 give or take three years it's like 20 you see all

agenda 2030 all the climate shits around 2030 so there's a fuller understanding from the powers that be that this is how things work and when we get through this we're going to be in the high it's going to be springtime from winter into spring and we'll generally have it late 1950s right we're going to have a general understanding of like all right this is how we live this is good this is where we're going that kind of stuff and you go 80 years back they had uh world war two and they had the introduction of the fed and uh great depression right eight years before that uh civil war eight years before that and the first one that that we had was the revolutionary war so and that doesn't mean there wasn't Vietnam and all these things in me not that didn't happen in between but in the crisis periods

big big stuff happens yeah you know like stuff that changes the course of how we relate to one another and so that that really is resonant let's talk give us a recap and I'll read all link to this in the show notes I love the episode I always love when Paul does a new year's episode talking about the year ahead talk a bit about um 2025 is the year of the hermit and what do you expect to see in 26. Yeah. 2025, the year of the hermit, right, the way that we understand the hermit is it's a time of retreat. It's a time that we're going, depending on what tarot, this is a, this comes from the tarot, right? The hermit is the number nine and he is, you know, retreating. He has this light and he's kind of going away and taking his time. And a lot of time, this is seen as like, this is your time

on the hill to like figure things out, to shed things away before you come back and reunite. So you can learn some kind of lesson. It's also correlated with 2025 was a year nine. That's why it's correlated with the year of the hermit. Nine is the hermit. Nine is the hermit. Yeah. That's why they're correlated. Nine is always about shedding, right? Like I talked about, we live in nine years cycles, right? So you can imagine year one is going to be about like planting seeds and starting something new. What will then what is nine about? Nine is about shudding. shedding stuff, letting go of things, right? It's the snake shedding its skin. That's where we're at, we're letting go of old systems. We're bringing in new systems. But also the nine, people don't

talk about this as much, but the nine can also be a year of great accomplishment. Like look at, because you're at the end of the cycle. So it's like, look back at everything that we've done, you know, how it's played out. And now we can learn from it because that's what we're doing in the nine. We're learning from it. We're seeing where did we accomplish. What do we do good? What do we do bad. What can we do better? What else is there left to shed? Right? What else is there left to get rid of and what's kind of sticking to us? But Year 9 is also associated with death, right? It's a death of a lot of things. We're going to, there's parts of us that die. And there's people who die and that happens. You know, I mean, there's people who die every single day. But there is kind of this feeling of this great letting go.

And I think we've seen that a lot in 2025. We, I mean, if you just, if we just want to talk about Bobby and everything that Bobby has been doing, right? Like, we have been taking a hammer to these huge systems, right? And of course, whenever you shed something, whenever something dies, there's always like the last, you know, death rattle, you know. There's always this upheaval. There's going to be upheaval. When you have to shed something, it hurts. Like, it's not a fun experience.

and so you're going to get both sides of the spectrum and which we have seen tons we've seen people cheering like yes we're doing it and we've seen people say like oh this is not enough like we need to do more and we've seen people say like oh my gosh i'm losing my mind i have to leave america because america's going to die now right you see it all you're going to see and that's that's what the nine is about right it's that time you've got to you give it your all you're you've got to get all that excess energy out before you start the one and so we're seeing shifts in the systems, right? We're seeing the pushback as well. We're seeing a lot of themes around what does it mean to truly let go of something? What does it mean to die? What do we actually

want? What did we learn? So I would say that would be really big for 2025. In 26, and well, okay, we can go back to 2025 a minute. In 26, we're moving to the next part of the cycle. we're moving to the year one and the year one um is going to be like I said that fresh new start the one is more self-focused the nine is all focused so let me give you so if we talk about do you know what a life path number is okay this is so fun a life a life path number is uh you take your date you take the date of birth and you add it together until you can reduce it down to a single digit oh good I did that with check yeah mine's also you're you're nine okay That makes a lot of sense.

Tosh is the empress. Oh, is she? I love that. So she's a three? Yeah, three or four. She's a three or four. Oh, no, the four is the, um, priestess. The priestess is the two.

So the emperse is the three. It's full magician, empress. Uh-huh. Or, no, full magician, priestess, emperor, empress. No, it's empress and then emperor because he's four, right? He's the masculine. He's going to be that four, that structure. So, um, so, um, so, you.

Yeah. If she's the emperor, she's a three, which is also really fun. And you have resonance, right? Because three goes into nine three times. And anyway, we could talk all about that sometimes. But we, but the nine, the life path number, right, is kind of where are you going? Like, what's your goal for, it's another way to look at. What is your goal for this lifetime? Where are you going in this lifetime? What's your purpose? And then we have something called the destiny number, which is kind of the how. Okay. How? How are you going to accomplish this? So people who have the life path number nine are people like Mother Teresa, she has the life path nine, Mahatma Gandhi, he has the life path nine, very powerful spiritual number because it's made up of the three, three times. And what is the three linked to spiritual things like the Trinity, the triple goddess? The three is very mystical. So when you have that three times, that completion, you get this ultra focus on spiritual.

spirituality, humanity, wanting to help humanity. But also, we have to be careful because the nine is associated with death, sometimes there's a lot of stuff that can happen with our mental health, with feeling downtrodden, right? Because you're carrying the burdens of the collective. And like, how will this ever change? Which probably a lot of people felt that way this year, you know, there is a lot of change, but also how are we ever going to completely fight this system or how are we going to overcome this because it looks so abysmal, right? Well, we're going to have a civil war. It looks so abysmal in that way. But the nine is ultimately, this is what we really want to do for humanity. Like, I'm doing, I'm giving this all to humanity. I'm finishing and

completing something. So it's a really powerful number. And that's, that's what we've been experiencing is this huge shift, right? This pivot shift of, you know, we're as society and a collective, what what are we deciding to be as humanity, right? And then you get the shift into the one, which is a totally different energy, right? It's this breath of a fresh air of, okay, I'm going to burst out. I think about this as like Aries energy a lot. It's like, I've got to make it happen, you know, I'm going to burst out of the womb. Like, here we come. Like, when you are born into this earth, it's not pretty, right? You're birthed out and you scream and you're crying and like you take your first breaths and it can be a really messy bloody but beautiful process

and that's kind of what the one feels like right the one is when you are a a baby you're an incredible learner right like you're learning things rapidly you're looking at things but it's all about you it's all about number one whereas the nine is about everybody else the one is about you and the individual and who are you as an individual and what do you want just like with a baby they they can't tell the difference between them and their mom their mom is them and they're not afraid to cry for their needs they will cry all they they want right the whole world revolves around this baby and so similarly the one can be like that the one can be this focus on you who are you taking your needs into account planting seeds how are we going to plant these seeds

what do we want to plant and that's what we're deciding right we're shedding things now and in 2026 the shift is going to be like all right so what are we going to do instead what are we planting what are we bursting out into how are we going to make this happen it's the questions but i do want to emphasize um because the one is the one is a leader the one is innovative so um robert edward grant he's his life path is a one he's one cool yeah and that makes perfect sense yes yeah yes very he's a fucking true polybath yes yeah yeah and i'm I'm in every sense of that he is the true Renaissance man. He's quite literally a genius and has made, you know, incredible discoveries.

You know, I think he was one of the first to put together that the, the, the, each of the pyramids in the Nile all resonant with the chakras. Yeah. That same frequency and, you know, mathematically and harmonically, you know, and like he goes through that, like the harmonics. He's a brilliant, brilliant dude. And if you're around him, he knows he's a brilliant dude. He knows he's a wonderful guy. Yeah, exactly. He knows that he's smart. Yeah. Like, he's not afraid to say that he is. And it doesn't mean you can't love him. I mean, he's not great. I love hanging out with it. Yeah. Yeah. He for sure knows he's the smartest guy in the room. You know, like, and that is the energy of the one. Right. That's the leader. I'm going to push forward. I'm the pioneer. Here I am. And I'm very innovative. I know I've got the cards. I can do this. Right. Think about the magician, right? Which is the one. I have everything at my disposal, right? The magician has everything it needs. It's ready to. It's ready to. to go. So that's what the one energy is like and it's pushing us forward and we we teeter on the edge of

you know, this, both of those energies. I guess what I want to say about this is like a baby is still a baby, right? The baby is still learning and we can be innovative and we can push out and we can be leaders and we can have everything that we need. But there's still a whole hero's journey to complete right like there's still the rest of the major arcana to complete and with every number we learn something new and we are growing and so in the one sometimes there's still this energy of like being a fledgling at something like trying to put there's a lot of resistance against you i guess is what i'm trying to say like there can be a lot of resistance that you're just pushing against right because you've got to make your way in the world you have to be the pioneer and so that i would

expect that energy to continue to come forward. So just because we're going into the one and we're planting seeds and we're deciding what are we going to do does not mean there's not going to be a lot of resistance energy. That happens with the one. Of course, that's the whole point of being a pioneer is you're walking through the snow and the grit and the rain and like, you know, you're Daniel Boone. You're doing the stuff, right? You're out there and there's no one out there and there's problems. Sometimes there's issues with no one being out there, right? It's kind of like there. if you are one in a million, everyone's like, I want to be one in a million, right? And I can speak to this as like, not to like toot my own horn, but I'm pretty one in a million, like on a bunch of

different levels. I'm an attorney who is also an astrologer, who is born on the full moon, who's a reflector, who's a life path 33. And the fourth of July. And the fourth, yeah, the fourth of July. And I'm a life path 33, the rarest life path there is. Right. In all senses of the word, and I live a nomadic lifestyle with three kids and one on the way. I'm one in a million, but there are issues with being one in a million because it's lonely. Nothing is built for you. It's not made for you. You have to make your own way. You can understand lots of different people, but not everybody understands you and because the world is not made for you. There's still traditional systems or things that are set up that you just don't fit into. And so next year, we might get some of that

energy. If you're feeling that way, you're like, I shed all this stuff, right? Like, we've been doing all this shutting. And I thought, like, not to use, like, a word that's so big in the spiritual realm, but like, I'm authentic now, right? Like, I'm beginning. I was vulnerable. I was vulnerable. I was, I was authentic. You know, here I am, being my authentic self, you know, and things should come together for me. It's not that things aren't coming together for you. Of course they are. but when you're in that authentic place when you become your own one in a million you're going to have to deal with not everybody is like you not everybody wants what you want and you have to be the pioneer you have to chop down the wood yourself you have to make the fire yourself you have to shoot the

wolves yourself if they come to attack you it just happens and so next year although i do think it will be really helpful for people because it will be like, okay, here we are. We're stepping out into a new life. We're here, you know, and we've got this breath of fresh air. Now we've done this shutting and we're going to set up these new systems. The scary part is often, the more scary part is often how. What's your how? And that's going to be a big question next year is what's your how?

How are you going to do this now? What steps are you going to take? Right. You have to actually put it in action now. You did the shedding, now you got to put in an action. So that's a lot of what the energy that I foresee for 2026 as far as that. All right, guys, quick break to tell you about qualia stem cell. Here's a question.

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I was thinking, I was like, oh, you know what, Kyle, we should just do a full forecast episode this year. I'm super down with that. Yeah, we would love that. I would love that. We've got plenty of time. We've got a couple of months here. Yeah. I'd love to also kind of look, and maybe we'll save this for the forecast of 2026 episode

into like 2030 because it's such a, it's such an important year from the fourth turning, from the cycles. It's a, you know, and again, even if it wasn't for that, if we didn't have all these other arrows kind of pointing the same way, you have the UN pointing that way. You've got the Paris Climate Accord pointing that way, the World Economic Forum. All these major entities that I don't think, you know, they're very globalist, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. We are one planet, but they are, you know, anti-individual, right? And that's kind of the problem when you, when you set up systems in place that are to elevate and bring people

through efficiency, right? That's a nice way of looking at, you know, schooling and things like that. Efficiency, getting on everyone on the same page. I don't see that as a problem. It's like Aramon, right? Like Aramon is structure itself. It's mathematics. It's form. It's our bodies, right? it is there there's there's a light side and a dark side to anything right and then there's like you know aramon's energy of like you are your only flesh and butt and bone yeah there is no spirit you're only 3d when you died you're dead that's it it turns black you know like then there's that like level of aramon so anywho just thinking to you know these organizations that are globalists like globalism isn't necessarily could might not necessarily be a bad thing if we

having a one world government not necessarily be a bad thing if we had really all altruistic and bright people at the top and, you know, and there was a community, you know, a large group of people that were deciding on things on behalf of humanity that really gave a fuck and you take corporate interests out and all these other things, but that's not what we have. Yeah. Right. That's not what we have. We don't have capitalism even, right?

We have crony capitalism. We have fascism in a sense right now. We've had it, right? Because you have corporations that dictate who gets into office and what we see in our new cycle. Who do we want to vote for all that stuff? you know, been proven. You can watch the creepy line on Amazon Prime goes into how Google rigs, you know,

some of the elections. Yeah. Beyond that, it's uniparty shit. So, like, you know, you think we're voting for one guy. These guys are both shaking hands in the back. They don't give a fuck. It's the same guy going in, no matter if it's right or left.

So what do you do beyond that? You know, basically you have an American oligarchy teamed up with old money determining the fate of the world. And those people look at us as chattel. Yeah. They look at us as idiots that should be controlled, managed,

minimized through depopulation. That's not just a couple billionaires that think that way, right? That's a lot of the people at the top. And there's kind of an any means necessary mode of going about that, right? But all this stuff points to 2030. Are you familiar with Armstrong economics?

No, maybe. He's a really bright guy. I'm sure you've read some of his stuff. You know, the government held him illegally, imprisoned him illegally for seven years. He had developed a computer system that ran algorithms based on Pai. and he looked at solar cycles, economic cycles, war cycles, and kind of mirrored these

and, like, in going backwards, he could see all the dates where these things kind of shifted and then what were the big dates there and then mapped those going forward. He called it Socrates. Finally, they put a judge in front of them, and the judge was like, what the fuck you do and let this guy out? So seven years later, he gets let out. Our government wanted that for themselves. He didn't turn it over. Socrates still runs.

He speaks all over the world. His website's Armstrongeconomics.com. and his computing system Socrates has some forecasts of some crazy shit one is probably the most important one as an American is in 2031.6 exactly to the day six months into 2031 the US dollar peaks and after that it's no longer the major currency of the world

now most people would say of course they're going to CBDC and I knew that before the thing but like this this said so years ago and so understanding that that already has to you know I talked to a couple buddies of mine that are special forces guys and like, listen, we don't know if we're going to see a collapse of society in America, but we will see

a total overhaul economically. Guaranteed we will see a total overhaul of our economy, how it works. And if you think of like what Schwab wants with stakeholder capitalism, which is basically fucking socialism, you know, and

whatever a technocracy could be, right? It could be great, but a technocracy run by these clowns is not great, right? That's open air prison system, according to Catherine Austin fits right yeah right so that that's kind of you know us you know we're the totalitarian tip that we work towards regardless of you know I'm thinking of David Ike right now but like we don't there doesn't even have to be reptilians controlling all this shit this is what you see if you look at it this is what a smart city is it's why they have cameras in an Amazon nest or a Google nest

so I didn't even camera in your thermostat why is everything have a microphone right what do they give me when I bought my house in Austin they gave me a sonos that had a microphone they gave me an Amazon Alexa right everywhere in my house has the ability to record me and send it back to AI right all of the places like that's what a smart home is you can't shut it off your ring is hardwired so it always knows who's going what your timing is all that stuff and it's just wild to see that like knowing like if you pay attention this is where we're marching towards and it doesn't look pretty you know what are the ways in which we can not comply you know and like like a digital ID is going to be a big one what are the ways in which we can not

comply and not go out the grain because 2020 was a test and a lot of people failed that test. Oh, yeah. You know, a lot of people failed that test. And I'm not judging any of them because they went with what the standard of care was. They went with what the majority was saying. Then went with what they were told in the news. And you can't blame anyone for that. At this point, we hope through podcasts like these that enough people have opened their eyes.

And like I said before, you know, in our personal conversation, I appreciate guys like Dr. Brian Artis and Dr. Peter McCullough because there are natural remedies if you made the mistake and went that route that can help alleviate some of the symptoms so you don't have long COVID or you don't have, you know, these symptoms that last 10 to 14 years, right? You can get rid of that. So that's positive. But I see us heading this way and I'd love to see or have a game plan astrologically where are the points between now and between 2026 and 2030. So I just want to frame that for our next conversation. Yeah, I was like at the top of my head. This is something that I would love to really dive deeply into because, you know, it doesn't matter if it's,

and a lot of this shit is just to distract us. You know, the Kirk thing was wild because there's so many, you think numerology, right? They've got the 47, 47, 47, you know, 11, 11, 11, 33. It's all this Masonic stuff. It looked like an exit wound or a squib. His wife clearly wasn't upset, you know, when she was like holding his fake mannequin hands and she's got the Masonic G on her finger. There's a whole bunch of stuff there.

And just that you can wrap a whole that one and just scratch your head. But I think that's all a part of the show. You know, and there's so much show, Atlas 3I, right? Like, who gives a fuck about Atlas 3i? You know, they're trying to say, like, this is the alien invasion that's coming. And there's guys like Dr. Stephen Greer, who his whole work has been on UFOs. But he says, like, they're going to frame a lot of this stuff as fear to get us into a one-world government where we all say this countries have to band together because we have.

have this outer, outer threat, you know, and then that's what brings in us all willingly saying yes to this, as opposed to saying, no, we want to still have freedom of speech. We want to still have the right to defend ourselves, the right to bear arms in all the things that are God-given inalienable rights, right? And that those would vanish for the good of all if they had it their way. So, you know, it's long-winded, but that's the shit that I'm chewing on right now. I think everything you said about 2025 and 2026, I can personalize to the T. Yeah. It is exactly that you're the hermit for me. And it has been that.

It has been refining. It has been the death of fit for service that ended in February, me, you know, really thinking, what do I want to create? Who do I want to create? Yeah. Like, if you had somebody that stayed with you for 10 years, what would they look like as a black belt through my teachings, right? And so, like, there's been a real shift in the way I'm focusing on what is it that I want

to teach because I do, I am a jack of all trades. You know, a lot of people do very well. With one category. You're like, this is what you get. I'm a breathwork guy. This is what you get. I'm a meditation master. And it's like, well, I have, you know, some degree of mastery and quite a few things.

And I want to teach fucking all of it. I think they're all important. And that's harder to market, you know? So, I mean, the 25 and 26, I can 100% see that through my own life and my own trajectory. I'd love to go further with you on that and see, like, as a, you know, as a society of somewhat free people. Yeah. How do we hold on to that? for our kids so that they don't lose it's like three they said in north korea three generations

of propaganda later and they don't even know what they lost yep that's all it takes is three generations oh yeah i mean we have gone we have gone through that right like we are already in that and in so many spheres which is part of what happened with everything with the medical sphere is like we are coming on three generations and we've forgotten everything and but i i do have not that i can answer all the questions now because i'd like to do more research about all all the points. In my brain, I don't have everything mapped out until 2030. But there are a few things I can say. One thing I would say is 2030 is going to be year five. And that the year five is the year of the roller coaster. So the year five is the unexpected, the adventure. But the last time we

had a year five, the year five is all the question is what is freedom? What does freedom mean to you? Which is huge for 2030. The last time we had a year five is 2020. So think about what happened in 2021, right? See the cycle. See the cycle coming. We can see the cycle coming. We can see what it would feel like, which we'll probably see more things like that where there'll be lots of contention. There'll be lots of people who, you know, stand up for freedom in their own ways. There will probably be lots of layers of deception. What do you know? What do you think about this? What do you think about this? You know, and I've been saying this for a while. A lot of people have been saying that. is you know you have to learn how to trust your own intuition you have to learn how to trust spirit that's the only thing you're going to be able to rely on because everything else like you've said with AI like everything else could be fake and anything can be faked anything can be deep faked like we can you're going to have to be able to solely rely on yourself and ask yourself what does freedom mean to you what does freedom look like to you in the five I would

expect the unexpected it's not going to go that year is not going to go the way everybody thinks that it's going to go some you'll be right on some counts you'll be wrong on other counts it's it's also a sensory year the interesting like five senses right like touchdown touch smell taste what are we seeing what are we hearing and that's going to be again with the deception piece a big part of it are you outside are you able to see and touch and hear like do you have a connection i would guess that people who are connected to the land because the five is connected to the land. Are you connected to the land, you might have a better ability to see through what is real

and what is fake because you know what's real because you're spending time in what is real, which goes back to the beginning of this conversation, spending so much time inside and so much time in unreal spaces, we have to get out into real spaces back to our adaptability. The five is really unusual. It's about being adaptable. So everyone, regardless of if you think you're the most right person in the world and you may be being open to change and being wrong sometimes and adapting. How adaptable are you? Can you change on the fly? Can you take what's unusual? Can you look outside of your own perspective? Those will all

be really huge questions for 2030. The other thing I would say about this is all this goes back also to Pluto and Aquarius, which a lot of people have talked about. But Aquarius has a lot to do with the question of freedom, right? Aquarius and Leo are on an access together. They work together. So Leo, if you want to think about Leo, Leo is like the open-hearted leader. Leo is there to shine. Leo is the lion, right? Like, I am the proud lion and I am moving forward. But Leo cares a lot more. That kind of leader, that's the open-hearted leader, cares a lot about what other people think and doing things for other people, performing for other people, doing performance as a sacred, task even and if you think about people who have a Pluto in Leo those are all like you said

1950s stars right that this is the age of the Hollywood star and who do we look up to like that's Pluto and Leo energy well on the other side of the access what's the opposite of that the opposite of that is not what does everybody care about but leading yourself right I'm here to lead myself I'm here to do my own thing Aquarius is a lot more focused on what I did it before it was cool You know, like I will do it. I'll do it my own way and I'll do it my quirky way and I don't have to be what everybody likes. I don't have to shine over there. I just have to be myself and focus on myself. It's still very, both of these accesses are leadership oriented and both of these accesses are very interested in helping the collective. Aquarius is very interested in what's happening to the collective. But it has, it's made of air. You know, Leo is fire. It's more like the sun and it's shining. Aquarius is air, even though everyone thinks it's water because it's called Aquarius. But Aquarius is air. And air is typically colder. It's typically, it cools stuff down. It blows around and it conforms. It has that kind of thing. But it's a fixed side, which means like the energy, it's a lot harder. It has a lot of staying power. It has a hard time moving. It's more stubborn, right?

so we have this time that we're in where Pluto is you know people are going to be kind of stuck and stubborn in what they want to do and doing what they think is best for the collective and that can look very cold like that can look a very W-E-F eugenics stuff and this is what's best for the collective and we're you know some people just have to die because they have to die because it's better for the collective. And that can look very individualized of we're taking our freedom into our own hands and we're going to have a trade system and we're going to use actual golden silver trade or whatever it is.

Like we're going to do it our own quirky way. It can look both ways. Aquarius is always also associated with technology, which is why we're seeing the huge shifts in technology that we're seeing. I mean, they've been building up, but we're seeing burst through. And we're coming out of Caliuga, into the end of the. energy age. Yes. The Dwarpa Yuga is all about energy and technology. Yep. And so we are moving forward, especially right now where Pluto is making an aspect. It's playing with Uranus. And Uranus is all about

breaking up systems and changing things. And it's also about technology. So the two of those are working together right now pretty seamlessly. And so it's popping new things up out of the blue, right? Before, so just like as an example, my husband's really interested in animation. And you know it takes forever to animate something it's really difficult even with AI like you could be like well I can type this thing into AI and it'll make this little thing that's very different than being able to have legitimate animation and make a film out of it but even just recently I don't know a couple weeks ago this platform dropped and you can basically make your own animations really quickly with AI right and we'll continue to see that shift in months and months and months like

anyone will be able to use and harness these technologies which is a very Aquarius thing. The last time Pluto was an Aquarius was during the Revolutionary War in America. And when we're setting up, it's during, when we're setting up the Bill of Rights, when we are trying to figure out how to, you know, put the hands, the power in the hands of the people, right? And so we're seeing that with technology to an extent that, like, anyone can use these tools. There's tons of tools that you can use. There's tons of technology. For good or for bad, you know, they may be using all the data to track you and to make. a fake you and to do all those things. But anybody has access to it, right? You can access

chat GPT really easily and you can access all this knowledge really easily. Is it true knowledge or not? Right? And sometimes it's really not. Bill Gates put 10 billion into open AI. So let's just frame that around chat. GBT. I use chat, you know, and I appreciate it for what it is. And I also don't get it twisted about, you know, some of the facts that chat delivers back to me based on that $10 billion ticket from Bill Gates. Oh, 100 percent, right? And the way that it will mirror you. And we're going to see the good and the bad of it, right? There's light and dark to everything.

This is going to be the best of times, the worst of the times. And we're just going to have to be ready for big, enormous shifts. Now, the other thing I want to say about this is that if we look back to other countries, so our country has not been old enough to have a true Pluto return until just last year, the last couple of years. So because it takes Pluto so long to get around the zodiac because it's all the way out there. And so we can look, though, at older countries like the British Empire and things like that. And we can see what happened to them and Rome and other countries that are, you know, longer lasting.

And what we can see is there does seem to be a pattern that when Pluto goes into, when you have a Pluto return, you have kind of this big you have kind of this big everything's coming together for you like there's a big peak and things are coming and things are starting to move rapidly and then we can kind of see that like 12 years about after the Pluto return everything becomes mass anarchy like things start to crumble like we see this with the British Empire we see this with Rome like that's when Rome starts to crumble end of an empire. Yep, the end of an empire and it starts to shrivel and it becomes something new. It has to be totally rebirth, which would really fit into, I mean, of course, 2030 is not, it's only, you know, six or seven years from the Pluto return, but we can see how this might happen, right? This might be within that time frame because the timeframes are not always so set in stone, but it could be the beginning of that 12 year spurt and not to scare any. buddy. We don't know what that would look like. Breakdowns sometimes can be beautiful. And like I said about the weather, and this is what I want to say to people before everybody like freaks out about

everything is, yeah, there can be bad weather and you can have a good time in bad weather. Right, you can be covered. It doesn't matter, you know, the world can be going to hell in a handbasket and you also can protect your own life and your own children, right? Everything has light and shadow, and sometimes the shadow brings us to an even more beautiful place. And I think right now, everybody, not everybody, but many people are looking at 2030 as it's going to be terrible, we're going to be taken over by these globalists, we're all going to die, you know, they're going to kill everybody. But maybe it's not what we think, right?

Like I'm not saying that I want any kind of, I definitely did not want the WEF to run my life in any way, shape, or form. But there is a possibility that we as the people during this next. cycle that we have right we're on a year one right now that we're about to go into 2026 that we make a choice to plant something good and what we decide to plant and the fruition of that takes us through 20 30 and beyond in a way and like maybe there really is this big fallout but maybe that fallout is actually positive in rather than negative maybe the bad forces end up dying off or you know there is something new that emerges from it I just always have to give both sides of that

we yeah it could be terrible and we can give you tools like there are there are lots of people fighting for freedom i mean people say this all the time oh like the work that erin and dell are doing doesn't really matter because we're all going to be taken over by globalists and it doesn't matter what we're doing but it does matter right now right like it it can help people fighting for religious exemptions is not just about getting religious exemptions it's about banding together as a people and what is freedom what does that actually mean for us and what do we want to do with it and all of these tools can be used in bad and good ways and I'm not saying I mean I know AI is so controversial I mean if you've been on social media you've used AI sorry like sorry if you think you've never used

yeah yeah like sorry if you think that you've never used AI you've used AI and it helps people and I just was listening to I think a senator talk about chat GPT uh pushing a young man to commit suicide and right they're they're able to see that and you know why did it do that well part of the reason that that it does that is it affirms everything you say if you say this is my thing it's job what it's going to come back this large language model is going to say oh you want this well i'll make that happen for you right your life sucks there's no way yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah like you are strong for choosing to die right like this isn't this is for you will always affirm you. We have to remember that with these models. It's going to affirm. It's a mirror

to you. So yeah, can it drain you down the toilet and really push us into a terrible place? Yes, it can. Can you also use it as a tool? Yeah, you can. You can use it as a tool to move faster. And I'm not saying that everyone should use Chad GPT or whatever, but all I'm saying is we have to be careful about always thinking everything is going to kill us all the time. and that everything is bad. It has, there's good, there's bad, we can use things to our advantage if we're smart about it. Have you seen a million ways to die in the West? No, I haven't.

It's a Seth MacFarlane movie. And, you know, he's, uh, the guy who started family guy is one of the writers. I think he's brilliant, uh, maybe a Mason, who knows. But there's a, there's a game that the kids play in the, in the old West in the streets where it's like a wooden hula hoop and a stick. And they're running through the streets with a stick and this hula hoop is just spinning around the stick as they run. You know, the guy comes out.

It's like, that's going to rot your brains, just like video games and shit like that. You know, it's the same kind of thinking, right? It was like, you know, they say that you don't do that. It's going to rot your brain. And then you got video games. I would argue modern day video games with a dopamine hit are something completely, completely new to humanity, right? And I can see, like, even when I remember Bear, we have no video games here. Bear, when he was three, played video games at a friend's house.

And it was like, it wasn't even PlayStation. It was the Nintendo Super Smash Brothers. And he was violent in his. reaction when we turned it off didn't matter for 30 minutes 45 minutes or an hour the dopamine hit looked like a drug withdrawal oh totally right and I was like holy shit dude I didn't remember that my parents turned off Nintendo I was upset but I wasn't like that right it's just that different yeah but I agree with you you know like there's there's many things that likely won't kill us and I just hope that the decisions we make bring out the best of our interior right like

what does it mean to truly be human and don't bring us down the rabbit hole of transhumanism is progress. Oh, yeah. Right? And, you know, the stuff Dell and Bobby are doing now really do matter long term. Because if we don't take a stand now and what we allow people to, who to dictate what goes into our bodies, what's keeping them from saying everyone needs a chip? Yeah.

Or else you don't get your CBDC payment. Yep. No UBI without the chip. Yep. Right? No UBI without the neural ink in your brain. Yep. And everyone else is doing it.

I have to do it. You want to keep your job at Amazon? You've got to get the chip, right? If we don't put our feet down now, that is literally where that path leads us to, all in the act of progress, right? And that is really just all in the act of control. Yeah, we have to, and that's the thing is, like, these quote unquote, small wins are big wins later, right? Precedence is a real thing, and it really, really matters. and it's going to matter the way that it's also about building community right like it's about

rallying people together to realize that there are issues getting enough people to care about bodily autonomy now before it's a bigger question later and so we need that bigger community we need those smaller wins and we need to decide where we're going now right and and that's not to say uh i because i was thinking about your comment about bear and video games you know because we used there was a time where we used to say that reading is really bad for you. Like, really, you can come back and look at these people, you know, being really sad about reading us, us reading. And like, reading is terrible for you.

It stops memorization. Is there some truth to that? Because Socrates is one of these people. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And talking about this and some of the great minds, like, oh, reading is going to be really terrible for people because it will stop you from having the gift of

memorization. and to some extent, is that true? Yeah, that's true to some extent. But also reading has been a really great tool and can it help people, right? It's dispersed knowledge in such a way because we don't have mouth-to-mouth communication anymore that we used to. We don't pass down stories the same way we used to. And so there's always going to be some truth in, and I am not a fan of video games. I'm like, down with the video games, but I for myself. But I understand people really love them. there's always going to be truth into the things that can hurt you, right? Like, obviously, the AI and transhumanism totally can hurt us.

I guess the only thing I wanted to say was be smart about how we use these things as a tool. We need to use them for our good, too. Like, we can use some of these tools and we can take, maybe it's not open AI, but we can learn from that language model to make a large, like Zach Bush is doing this right now. They're trying to make AI. I can't remember who he's partnering with, but like using these large language models or these tools that we have in a way and technology and making them our own, right, in ways that we can use them for good because sometimes not in a bad way, but like you have to fight fire with

fire sometimes and be able to keep up. And that's not to diminish like the human spirit or like what you can do with your hands because I think eventually us returning to the land is really going to be the answer for a lot of these things but we do need to make coming back to making our wins now right like we need to be really active about making these wins right now bringing the community and not only seeing AI as because I know so many people who are like I will never use AI ever because it's evil it's unethical and it may be evil and unethical but being able to use those tools I guess against the bad guys or use them in a in a way know about them. We have to be educated about them so that we can use them in ways that

rally people together so that we can be smart enough to make decisions about this. Because if we don't know anything about these technologies, if we don't understand how they work, people could pass bills under our nose and pass laws under our nose that seem totally innocuous, but are not at all. They are hurtful. They are stopping our bodily autonomy. So it's better to know how to use them, I guess this is just my opinion, to understand them and use them as tools and to rally and make these wins right now so that we know what's going on. So we're not out of the loop. Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate that. And like many things, it's absolutely nuance, you know? Yeah. It's not a, there are a lot of things the Amish did right, not jabbing their kids first and

foremost. Yeah. And they have a lot of problems now. It's not like they have a perfect society. They get introduced to drugs and sex and all sorts of shit. And there's a realness to the challenges they face as well so it's not perfect but you know to me and my sister's laughed at you know oh you guys are going to be Amish at some point because I told her we got solar and trying to get off grid yeah yeah yeah I'm not trying to be a solo act right like we want to build community right people out here all the time and uh anywho um this we're at 1130 this is been awesome this is been awesome I'm so excited to do it again so thank you I appreciate your family's awesome it's so cool that you brought your family out here it was so much fun getting to hang with you guys yesterday we're

going to get to hang today and um I think what you're doing is really cool. And you do have such a great wealth of knowledge in many areas. So I really appreciate your time and coming back on the podcast and I look forward to doing it again. Where can people find you online if they want to get a reading or if they want to work with you at all? Yeah, I am on Instagram. I'm at Astrological Attorney. You can find me there. You can also find at Crunchy Lawyer. I'm not, I don't post there a ton, but I do have tons of legal information if that's what you're interested in there. And then astrological attorney.com is where you can find my stuff. Awesome. Thank you so much, buddy.

Yeah, it's been great. Yeah, been great.