Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #443 Integrating Eastern Wisdom & Modern Fitness w/ David Weck

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

In this episode, Kyle interviews David Weck, the inventor of the BOSU Ball and a significant innovator in the fitness community. Weck's journey is detailed, from his early days in athletics to his revolutionary contributions to functional movement. He combines principles from Eastern philosophies such as tai chi, Chinese medicine, and Ayurvedic medicine to create unique training tools and methodologies. The discussion covers several of his inventions, including the Quick Hands Ebola Trainer, the RMT Club, Sole Steps, and the UL Power Vest. Kyle praises the practicality and efficacy of Weck’s tools, pointing out their immense benefits for both athletic performance and general fitness. The episode delves into the philosophy behind Weck’s methods, emphasizing the importance of integrating ancient wisdom with modern understanding to advance movement training. Various key concepts such as coiling core training and the benefits of the power vest are explored in detail. David Weck’s commitment to innovation and helping athletes reach their full potential is highlighted throughout the conversation.   From Kyle: The Kingdom Within Community is coming! Click here to learn more   Connect with David here: Instagram WeckMethod   Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind.   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Kyle-Kingsbury Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

All right, we have a very special guest today. David Wick, you may have seen me on Instagram, promoting some of David Weck's stuff. David famously invented the Bosu ball. But far beyond that, he has been an innovator in the fitness community, in functional movement. He combines Eastern philosophy, Tai Chi and Chinese medicine, as well as Ayurvedic medicine, and the principles of the body,

how we build chi, how we charge the system, and how we move as power athletes, in a very unique and special way. David is truly one of a kind. He will be on this podcast way more times. I'm so stoked that I got to have him on. Thank you, Connor Milstein, our mutual friend for setting us up. And I am super pumped to make my way out to San Diego this year

and get some training in with David as well as do another podcast. But this is awesome because we basically break down David's life story and what led him to each one of these phenomenal tools that he's really put on the market that does do so much for us. even if you see me playing with a rope, they never ended up selling ropes because he was always worried the big guys would just price him out.

But he did a ton for that style of rope, and it actually came from him watching Buddy Lee, the speed rope champion, doing a performance. And as you'll learn, David is a performer and loves that. And so he was awed by it. But he was more curious about what was buddy doing

when he stopped jumping? Because that thing was still whizzing. And he was like, oh man, what if we did that? So we don't overdo the calves. We don't overdo the jumping mechanism. Power athletes, you can burn out in that way. But we still get all this other articulation with the body.

And that just made so much sense to me. He explains it much better. I'm paraphrasing, of course. But you guys will love this one. Share it far and wide. Check out the weck method.com. Follow the David Weck online and Weck method and just start learning these tools because they are absolutely game changers

and you will love them and share this far and why with friends. All right, guys, without further ado, my brother, David Weck. David Weck, thank you so much for coming on the podcast, brother. I'm stoked. I'm very excited as well. I've been training for the last year with Connor Milstein, who trained under you and learned quite a bit from you.

And you turned me on to a lot of your work. Most people know you from the Bosu ball, right? So, I mean, that was something that kind of took over the fitness industry as like a really cool instrument. I think it had like a because stability balls were already, had already weighed their way into the gyms and fitness world from a functional strength standpoint. it had like less of a hurdle, less of a hill to climb with the people adopting it, like right from the jump, we could see the benefit from it.

You've created so many things that I want to dive into each of these things. But, you know, training with Connery's told me that you've got a story behind everything you've invented. And I really want to dive into that and understand those stories. I also know a good buddy of mine. Adam was a teammate of yours co-captain the football team in high school. I was like that's weird. It's like a really weird, you know, like small world shit.

Like we're both here in Texas. You guys were in, I think, New Jersey. So I was just like, this is oddly, oddly funny and small. But I'm so pumped to dive in to all these things. Tell me about your life like growing up. What were the sports you were into? What were the things that drove you and, you know, moved you in the way that you did, not only physically but mentally as well, what your attractions were.

Well, I loved athletics. I love just the wind blowing through my hair. I used to tell my parents I run like the wind. And so any in all sports as a youngster and then, you know, baseball, soccer, basketball. My father didn't let me play organized football as a kid. So I started playing at the high school level and then played through college. And I played with Adam Schell at Madison High School where we were co-captains with another guy who was the quarterback. So I always took football as serious as if.

if I were going to go to the NFL with just, you know, the buffer of next year's sophomore year, next year's junior year. So I don't have to really think. I just, you know, get to do what I like to do until senior year. And then contemplating coaching, contemplated, do I play in France, you know, semi-pro or something? And I basically had arrived that maybe I do coaching. I wrote Bill Belichick a letter. He was with the Browns at that point.

He had gone to Wesleyan. I went to Williams, their sort of sister competitive schools. But then I ultimately decided I don't want to be a coach because of the nomadic existence, where if you're trying to climb the ladder and head coach leaves, well, guess what? You don't live there anymore. And I didn't want that, you know, no geographical control of where I'm going to be and hurry up a move is always around the corner, maybe. So what I did was I abandoned going to Wall Street, which I had been slotted for. I worked on Wall Street the summer before graduation.

And then when it came time to, okay, this is going to be your life, I just said, no, I can't. So I pursued acting. And it was sort of an exercise self-psychology, a lot of, you know, just taking lumps, learn how to deal with rejection until, you know, you've become very courageous on the stage, as it were, because you've taken so many lumps that, you know, lumps, they don't hurt anymore. And then I was rollerblading in Manhattan for six years. I was a personal trainer to make my living, and I was an actor. And if you called me a personal trainer, I'd be upset because I was an actor, right?

The personal train is just a means to the ends here. Like, I'm not a trainer. And now I have a great respect for training, whereas once I sort of had that highfalutin Williams College, you know, you got to make a lot of money, otherwise you're worth less. I feel a little differently now. But so I've discovered rollerblay. I love efficiency. So I did not walk for six years because I always had skates on. I'd just put them on.

I'd leave them on and, you know, at the end of the day, take them off. And so it could be 16 hours in skates, you know, if I were outside the whole day. And my feet got exceptionally weak. I knew none of what I understand now about movement and the body. So I dropped a motorcycle one day. I twinged my back. I collapsed with like white hot pain a couple days later with a client. And it was more than a year of chronic back pain whilst I tried to figure it out.

and courses of therapy, blah, blah, blah, and nothing was working. I would just take so many pain medications, naproxin, the Aleve bottles I was buying, the bottles that tall. And I drank a lot of alcohol. It was just sort of unwind, you know, I guess statistically alcoholic, but six drinks, I'm not even impaired. So I wouldn't call myself alcoholic. And I went toxic, and I didn't stop until it was like, okay, the gun is now up

against your head, like my body was so just eviscerated, my digestion, my liver, everything. But it erodes you from the inside. So you don't, if you're not paying attention or you don't care, not, you know, looking at the signals, then it sort of creeps up on you all at once because you're sort of eroding from the inside. Now to reconcile them and remedy it make it better, that's also an egg that you have to unscramble. So I still deal with consequences. of those days. And it was the stability ball that gave me sort of light at the end of the tunnel, sort of that reflexive writing and adjusting.

You can tend to, you know, take some tiny little spinal muscle that's just locked in. You don't want you to be in pain or you don't want you to hurt the cord. And he's not letting go. All those, like, quick reflexive things can sort of coax that little guy into relaxing. And then as far as organized, I started standing on the ball. I saw a guy named Paul Chek, who's a very big influential fitness leader, and he was really probably most responsible for bringing the stability ball from the rehab to the training room. And you're right, the Bosu ball, like, rode the crest of popularity of the stability ball.

So when I was standing on a ball, July 25, 1999, I'm watching the Knicks lose to the San Antonio Spurs, and I'm on a big ball. I close my eyes, tilt my head. Fume, I slip out. I land with my butt on the ball. I backflip and land with my head and neck against cinder block. And I just started kicking my feet to make sure I could still do it. Then I'm pondering like, how do I keep doing this without killing myself?

But what if I cut the ball in half? Boom! Oh my! I recognized instantly that if I can patent this, this thing's going to be, you know, that's the American dream. I'm going to make, you know, I'm going to make my money. because I was starting to sweat, not making money at 29 years old pursuing acting with a bunch of close calls, but nothing big landed in the boat. You know, how much longer am I going to give this?

What am I going to do? Like those questions, because 30 is sort of a landmark if you care about having a family and kids. You want to sort of have a lay of the land by the time you're 30. And, you know, when I was approaching 30, wait a minute. This is like sort of nothing wrong. everything and it's right now it's nothing it's funny you mention that that was exactly that 30 was much harder for me to grapple with than 40 and it was for that that very reason I was I was in the

UFC on one hand I'm living my dream you know I've made it you know I'm a professional athlete I'm a professional fighter and then on the other hand I'm making dog shit money I live in my mom's detached garage because the Bay Area's rent is is through the roof and had no medical insurance no 401k and like nothing set aside for the future. Not even plan for like what I was going to do when I finished. And I'm watching guys like Don Fry and Dan Severn. We're like 50, 60 year old still taking like these $1,000 fights because that they just can't stop.

It's the only thing they know. And I'm like, dude, I can't, I can't be that guy. I can't do this. And especially knowing the toll it would take on me. But 30 was a big like, holy shit moment for me to reconcile where am I at in life? Where do I want to go? What is the plan now? You know, in the same time.

Wanted a wife and kids, didn't have them, but it very much was on my mind. Like the provider energy just sunk in at a left field. And then again, three years later, when we had my son, it was like, boom, now you got to do this, you know? That's the ultimate responsibility is once you have kids and you're worth your seed, well, then they become the priority. That's how I look at it. I think, no question. If you're doing it right, if you're doing it right, you've got to fill your cup as well, but they are, everything circles, around that thing being the most important for sure.

Absolutely. Yep. So you invent the Bosu ball. Yes. You finally get some cash. You've been trying to act and have a couple of gigs here and there, but nothing that really sinks in, nothing that launches you off. You don't know, no lift off. Walk us through from that point on. Yeah, so basically it was ready fire aim because I was just all passion,

enthusiasm, and I had that cellular belief, like gut belief, that this thing was valuable. and if I played it correctly, that could be my financial, you know, sort of nest egg or, you know, just the thing, the thing that I can make money on where, you know, I don't have to do, you know, you say jump, I don't have to jump because I got the money coming in, the mailbox. And so anyway, it was a journey of sort of the way I marketed it was I sold the very first two, units and then 26 units to the U.S. ski team. So my rationale was, okay, I'm no one. This thing is just, you know, duct tape and a ball, you know, just to have a viable prototype. But I've trained

age ranges from like seven years old to 92 years old, male, female. There is application for everyone. This is only confirming my belief that this will become a ubiquitous training tool. how do I do it? Well, I'm going to validate the very top because if it makes them better and they testify to that, well, the likelihood is going to make you better is very strong. So with that sale to the U.S. ski team, I went to the championship teams, the Yankees, the Lakers, the New Jersey Devils, and the Los Angeles Rams. They were the respective in the big four sports, the championships.

And I sold it to each one of them. and I sold it. So I was charging $99. Probably cost me $300 to make the thing. But it was the principal, right? And it was a different era where the space was not as crowded as it is now. Right. So there were fewer products in the marketplace.

Once you start to see that, oh, people are succeeding with products in the marketplace. Well, that just brings more products into the marketplace. And for years and years, I did the trade show. You know, half the year, half the weekends at a year, I'm somewhere, you know, Carnival Barker, getting people to experience the Bosubal. And so, like, that was a big part of the puzzle. And this is where the acting background came in very handy because I was able to perform and read their reactions at the same time and give everybody an experience that they won't forget

And so the way I would get, you know, trade shows, a lot of booze. People just walk by. And it's an uncomfortable, like if I make eye contact, then I just say, hi. But I get everyone in my booth. So I'd have a hundred bucks. I'd be like, you want $100? You want $100? Yeah, what a hundred?

What do I got to do? Just got to stand on that sucker. That's all you got to do. Yeah, I'll do that. All right, come on in. Take your shoes off now because the thing wasn't. wrong like a factory one. I didn't want someone to pop it. So, you know, take your show. I got to take my shoe. Yeah, 100 bucks. So anyway, I'd have them stand one foot eyes closed for 10 seconds.

No one ever did it. And I had and then, so after they fail, right, I keep my $100. You'd use that as bait for years. And then once we had a statement. And then once we had a established and broken the ice there, and the crowd was gathering. Then I would have them just stand on it with two legs and close their eyes. And I would say to them, you are going to react in a manner that I have a piece of paper in my pocket. What's on my pocket is what you're going to do from this little experience. And so I had a paper that said smile, because you're very safe on a bowshoe ball in the dome. So it's threatening to lose your balance, but if you're not

threatened by that loss of balance. It represents this sort of very odd experience in life where you just failed at balance and you didn't get hurt and it was no big deal and it was universal. Everybody smiled when they had that like close your eyes, move your head. And then they smile. Universal because I think a human being really does want to learn. And I think many of us, especially we've become an adult, you could a week's at a time and you haven't learned a damn thing and life is beating you down but you know you learn something there's something magical in that and especially when it's this deep profound somatic experience is something as profound as your balance that you never think of right so that was sort of

and my logic there was i want to make an indelible mark in every person that comes by that booth, I wasn't even collecting emails. I couldn't even sell the product. I was literally like, you know, startup mode. I'm taking the investment money to bang the drum and put this on the map whilst I run under the manufacturing and the selling of the prototypes and banging a drum. That was marketing, right? So I sold it to the ski team. Yeah, it cost me to flight and, you know, whatever, the material costs and my time, right? But now I have to. had a story up and running. And all of my inventions stem from my personal exploration to become more, to build more physical prowess defined as fight, flight, response ability.

Because that is the sort of the fundamental connection between the lower brain and the upper brain is fight, flight. And the last thing we want to do is freeze. And if you haven't sort of trained the reactions, that you will respond how you respond based upon the reaction. And the reaction, once it's reflexive, right, if somebody startles you, your body's going to respond and you can weaponize the response like Tony Blower teaches, his spear system, because you're going to flinch. bad guy gets to tell you when the fight starts and you're the good guy so you don't start the fight. So now you're in a reactive position. And unless you have sort of gone through it and learned how to respond, the tendency will be uprooting and helpless in that initial move. And you have to be Barry Sanders

where you drop the center and raise the base, boom, boom. That's your best first reaction. Put the sticks up and root, rapidly root. And if you don't do that, you know, you don't have fight, flight responsibility. And then all of the psychological aspects of that. Because when, I mean, in my experience, the better you become at an MMA fighter, the more chill and cool you become at the bar. Like, when you meet a new person, you're not sizing them up to see, like, could I take the guy? Just know, like, that guy wouldn't even have a chance, so I'm going to be nice to him. You know what I mean? So I don't think prowess in martial arts leads to some, you know, you become an animal.

I think it actually sophisticates the human being with a profound sense of confidence that can't be purchased. You can't fake it. This is fermonal, right? When you're in a room with men, there's a certain sense, right, and a certain presence that someone either has or doesn't. and acting, I learned when you're afraid, tension rises in the body, right? And if tension is rising in the body, you don't have root. And if you don't have root, you don't have resonance. And if you don't have resonance, it's hard to stand in a room with men and tell them something

that they're going to be interested in listening to and then ultimately doing. Right. And that's the unwritten social order, right? Where you just size it up, just boom, you know, you get a sense. And so one of the devices that I invented that my next invention was called the Quick Hands Bola Trainer. And I don't know. Oh, here. I got one right here.

So this device right here is two foam balls attached by an elastic cord. And I was doing all sorts of visual tracking eye hand coordination with this tool. And I created it because I was experimenting. with the concept of a pendulum, swinging the pendulum in an arc over the shoulder and catching it, and then increasing the balance demands by like stand on one foot, swing it and track it and catch it. So you're dealing with the vestibular, the ocular visual, and the proprioceptive while completing a fine-tuned motor task. You know, it will only help you athletically. You know, if you can maintain your balance and pick something out of the sky, you know, easy.

right and I had just used materials laying around I had a hacky sack and I had an elastic cord that I had cannibalized off some exercise equipment and then I I would I would I would sort of at the end of it I would like bounce it up and catch it so I boom boom and I was like oh that's really neat so then I fashioned the very first one and I discovered that if I flung this thing out and yanked it back I could bring this ball coming back at me at more than 110 miles an hour. And we're talking, you know, six feet away, five and a half, six feet away, 110 miles an hour.

You do have the control of this hand, which is not controlling it with that much dexterity in the beginning. So you still have that randomness of your lack of ability to set it and direct it, but you can and get better at it to the point where you could close your eyes, if you'd practiced it enough. but just being able to snap this thing out and catch a ball right here and stand in to 110, right? That gives you a lot more confidence that you could stand in with something that's not going to be going 110 miles an hour, like somebody's fist, for example, right? And Bruce Lee, it's always about cut the angle, the Tai Chi principle that my opponent launches their attack first, but I arrive.

before. And so I draw from the Asian, you know, the Orient, the Eastern martial arts medicine, and was able to glean from that perspective with all the meridians and the energetics and these little Tai Chi idioms move without moving. Like little things that encapsulate the martial science. And it dovetails perfectly with the Western, you know, sort of reductionist, mechanistic, Decardian, okay, you know, we're going to examine every component, and the eastern is much more big, broad stroke,

yin yang, right? We have... Ballistic, yeah. Yeah, so, but the truth is the truth. So you can take this road, you can take this road, and you take both roads, now you understand it even deeper, and when you understand it deeper, you go further. Because what

happens is new insight changes the perspective, and now suddenly you can see that, which you didn't see before so you're more enlightened that your next creation can have the benefit of all that aggregation of knowledge information right and so it was always my personal development that led me down the next path and and so the bola this thing failed in the sense that you know i ordered 2,500 units and it took me forever to sell them an inventory cost money yeah i can't buy, you know, eggs with this thing. So the conversion to cash took too long for it to be a

profitable venture. So you abandon it for the time being. I think once things are up and running and everyone knows my name and they all trust me, then the possibility for, you know, this kind of coordination tool could be there. But the challenge, Duncan, you know, the Duncan yo-yo that you got in your stocking when you were six. Yeah, I did too. If Duncan had launched that yo-yo post-Playstation, it would have failed. Because, you know, what kid is going to, you know, suffer the indignity of trying to actually learn a yo-yo? Fuck that. I'm going to press buttons.

All right, guys, quick break to tell you about my brand new community that is launching this year, the kingdom within. This has been many years in the making. I've had a lot of iterations of the things that I have. learned about and wanted to teach through fit for service for six or seven years, coaching one-on-one clients, literally thousands of people that have come through my coaching and been shaped by me and who have shaped me. So what is it about? It's about the body. The body is a doorway. It opens up all systems. The body is the temple. It's about the mind as a system. How do we categorically learn how to use the mind so it can sit in the passenger seat, not in the driver's seat? And then how do we

connect to ourselves, right? How do we connect to each other? How do we connect to our people? How do we connect to our parents, how do we connect to nature? How do we connect to God in a safe way? All of these things are critically important, but it starts with the body, and then we lead in with the mind, and then we dive into connection. And the community is a field. It is a container actively that supports this. Everybody who joins this community is going to be thinking along the same lines. You will come there for your own reasons, but everybody is coming with a willingness to grow and a willingness to learn. And with that, you have a container that leads for potential transformation. At the very least, the knowledge is going to be palpable. And so I'll be teaching once a month on their

webinars on some of the most important, potent things that I think working from body to mind to connection and beyond. And of course, every other two weeks, there will be a Q&A that will go, which will just answer each and every one of your questions. A huge resource list of every book that I've ever read the why behind it and where I think you should start because a lot of times people get overwhelmed. You get recommended two different books on sleep, two different books on health, whatever the thing is, where do you start? Well, that's an important piece that only you can answer, but I can help you with that. And through a little Q&A and active back and forth, you will have all the help necessary to launch yourself into the best direction you've ever been from a health

standpoint, from a mental standpoint, and from a life standpoint, because life is about connection. It's about relationship and how I relate to myself as well as others. It's the name of the game. All right. Please join us at the kingdom within. All you got to do is go to kingsboot.com and you can sign up right there. And I look forward to seeing you guys. You want to learn more. We'll link to it at the top page of the show notes. And now back to the podcast. My next big innovation came in 2004. I was teaching at a trade show and exhibiting. And across from my booth was Buddy Lee. And Buddy Lee is like one of the world's best jump ropers, Olympic wrestler, European guy's amazing. And so every, you know, hour or so he put on the little display,

you know, doing his crazy amazing jump rope. And when I was observing it, I was like, hmm, there's a lot of times when that rope goes around him where he's not jumping through it. So whiz, whiz, whiz, jump through, jump through. Whiz, whiz, whiz, whiz, whiz, jump through. And so what I did was I was like, all right, I'm going to do that, but I'm going to remove the jump through. I have no desire to get tired in this process. I have no desire to pound the power out of me on a cement ground

with this low amplitude trillion repetitions, right? Great for changing your feet when you fight, but it's not good for a linebacker who has to go 10 yards over there. right so it's you know jumping rope is good but you know too much of it will pound the power out of the power athletes right so that process i said to myself 30 days i will train with this voraciously because i want to get just as good as buddy lee but i will not jump through it and so that i guess decision was catalytic to the discovery that this thing called rope flow there's four patterns given two arms in a body with a rope connecting them. There's only four fundamentals.

And when you reduce those down to muscle memory, you are 100% integrated. Every molecule of mass, integrated moving together from my fingertips to my feet, everything. So this right here, this is the ground. It doesn't matter where it is in space. This is the ground when it makes contact. So I discovered this and because a rope is not a proprietary product, I never tried to sell ropes because my logic was if I shirper this thing into significance, then rogue with buying power it just takes all the business. They're selling it for pay for it kind of a thing. So I always taught people, Rope flow. I sold a DVD from way back. But it has since built and built and built this organic growth and when COVID hit it's sort of just

crystallized into a thing that I think there's probably hundreds of thousands of people all over the world doing it now and it I call it the rosetta stone of movement training modalities if you get handy very simple with a rope that is a right of passage now that any skill, mental, physical, you will be able to acquire and assimilate that skill faster and deeper than without the foundation of rope flow. And I believe that. My best performing video on Instagram, 5 million views, I'm like, if I could only tell you one thing before I exit this stage is learn four patterns with this rope. You learn those, you are a better you. And so that acts as this incredible goodwill equity within the marketplace.

And the visual equity is profound because we've never seen someone doing the rope and never jumping through. And it is a bridge to jumping rope should you want to do it because now you're so facile with the rope that coordinating that pattern will be easier than had you had no experience with the rope. And it opens up the trickery where you're crossing, crossing, you know, all kinds of stuff that is more fun, more fun to watch. So that goodwill brings people into this training philosophy.

Because if you like one thing, well, what else is there? So that's big. Then there's, I have a bunch of patents and I have a bunch of other inventions, one of which is the RMT Club. It's, I was a- Well, I definitely want to dive into that. Let me cut you off here for a second. I just want to say, I want to comment on the rope.

This is great. But I was like, no, no, no, I got to talk about the rope first. Then I want to talk R&T Club. Before, let me actually rewind it to the balls. I remember when I was getting ready to walk on Arizona State, I was training at a place called, I played football there. So I was training at a place called the Rikas Center to work on my 40-yard dash time and things like that. I know the right.

I saw guys. I know that. Oh, it's one of the best place, menlo, right? Yeah. Yeah, I know the place. I've got a ton of your gear. I trained there for a long time as a teenager. My sister-in-law worked, Gary was his name?

Yeah, yeah, Gary Rikas. Gary, yeah. My sister-in-law worked, like, super closely with Gary and the whole team. That's so cool. They were at all level. I mean, they were training like the Golden State Warriors. They were doing a lot of pro athletes. And then I went back to him when I was fighting in the UFC because I had moved back home.

I was training out of San Jose at an American Kickboxing Academy. I was like, I should just head up to the Rikus Center and get some good training in. but I remember like Nike had created like like balls that would light up with LEDs. Yeah. People were bouncing them against a wall to catch it. And I was thinking like if they could just make that faster, it would probably have a little bit more application for a fighter. So like knowing that thing can come back at 100 miles an hour,

that's like the overspeed training. Bruce Lee talked about with why he liked collie so much and why they practiced that in J. Kundo was because the tip of that stick, you know, when they're when they're doing J. Kitty or a collie flows, was the stick moves so much faster at the end of it. Yes. That if you can begin to see that and block and move and find your own coordination, then that opens everything up into that,

into a similar flow with the arms. So things are relaxed. It's reflexive, but you're also able to see everything from the periphery better. So that, just when I comment on the ball is like, that's a freaking fantastic idea. And you see like different things like,

no, they had, um, what about dorking, the dorky boxing thing that went out last Christmas? You know, like you have the Bonnie Kennedy was doing. Yeah. Yeah, it's a cat toy.

It's fun. It's fun, man. There's like a cat toy, exactly. Like, get some seven-year-old from Sweden can do a million punches, you know. But, you know, I think those things will catch on. And just how you're framing this, because you kind of broke it down really quickly. And I know you've taught Connor a lot of this. Connor breaks down this as well is that, you know, this, the balance.

And if I've been, like in Fight Club, if you've never been in a fight club, If you've never been in a fight before, how much could you really know about yourself? Right? Well, most people have never been in a fight before. Don't think about it. They assume at best, like what keeps them calm on the exterior is I live in a safe neighborhood. I'm a man. Nobody's going to mess with me.

Police are nearby. You know, I've got a good buddy on the police department. Whatever the thing is. Yeah. I live to wait so I can find my, you know, I'll be able to take care of myself kind of deal. But deep underneath all that is the truth. You know, and if you haven't experienced anything like that. that right like then that's just that's a background it's like a base layer app running in the background

and um i've thought about that too because as you talked about fighters i was thinking about jiu jitsu guys like black belts and jiu jitzu there might be two and a thousand that are really arrogant but still deep down they're totally funny like they're just they don't have nothing to prove even if they are arrogant they're uh there's a there's a there's a calmness to them from the thousands of reps they got submitted the thousands of times they were hurt from not tapping and that humbling and rehumbling and re-humbling as a white belt, blue belt, pervo belt all the way up, not only builds, you know, it comes with the experience of becoming a master, is also having your ass kick the whole way up the ladder.

You know, so I think about that, it's like, I told my son, he's 10 now, I said, you can choose any sports you want to play, you can pick any instrument you want to play, but you're going to play music until you're 18 and you're going to do jitza until you're a black belt. Anything you want to add to that? Cool. He just did his first season of football. He absolutely loves it. So I'm starting to think more along these lines to balance X-axis, that kind of stuff.

Because, you know, when you're in space, your ability to change direction is that half a second that gets you to make the play or miss the play. So I just want to comment on the balls. It's super cool. And then I'm probably a white belt with the rope flow now. It's funny because like one of the things that I enjoy about anything that I'm working with, that's something you've developed is there's like a mandatory. You're going to suck at first. You know, so it's is humbling because, like, I have to come with a beginner's mind. There's no, like, even like an expert boxer, you know, they should know when they step on a judicistu mat, they're going to get smoked.

Boxing is not going to transfer, you know, just not. If you're a D1 wrestler, it's going to transfer somewhat, but probably not to black belts if you're a white belt. But point being, it's been a really, it's been a lot of fun for me working with new modalities that build balance. And there's other things that happen with the rope flow. For me, I've had like, you know, like, you're always in this locked forward position. Jiu-jitsu, everything's in front, front-facing. You know, you're driving a car, same kind of deal. You're at the dinner table, same deal. You're on the computer. All these forward forward-rolled positions. And that can really lock up the thoracic. And sure, you know, you can foam roll and

hug the body to get the thoracic to pop. But that's not the same thing as what you're talking about. You're talking about how do I get the body to move, like with the stability ball, where I can articulate things in a way that just starts to grease the groove and unlock the little tight spots that don't want to let go. They're there to protect you, right? Yes. But I've noticed that with the rope flow, it's like, you know, within two minutes, my thoracic feels so good, so much better. My shoulders naturally drop back. My chin drops down and I just feel completely open in a way that that's, I don't think there's any, many modalities that can accomplish that. So I just want to see people look at the rope flow and I didn't get it either until Connor put one in my hands. I'm watching these guys

like, damn, that looks cool. But, you know, I don't know if that's for me. I don't know what the benefit would be. You know, I jump rope for MMA with a buddy Lee speed rope. You know, I'm doing plyometrics. I'm doing other things. And I get a lot of Connor stuff. And he's like, trust me, you're going to like this.

And it's been an absolute game changer for my spine, you know, which is everything else coming off of that has improved because of it. So I just want to say that's really cool that you did that. And then, you know, dive into the RMT club because that's been one of my personal favorites, especially being in this damn front position for so long to get to open up the sub-scap and get everything greased and opened up in a natural organic way. I think they're phenomenal tools. Well, and that brings me back to something you said about the Kali, right, the escrima, because the stick, the stone, and the rope, those are the first

and most fundamental tools slash weapons for human kind. First one is a stick. You need a stick. If you don't have a stick, you are dinner and you don't get dinner, right? And then stones, very, very functional. What if you've got to pick up a big one, right? There's this enveloping strong with a stone, and a stone can also be manipulated with spirals where you can move without moving, right?

Because if I have a reference point here and I can go all the way around it, and it didn't move, well, that's very useful for not letting the opponent interpret your movement because what he's feeling ain't moving, right? So, you know, I want to be so sensitive that I'm invisible. And if you're good with a stick, that means you're good with your hands, like by definition. And if you never have the instrument, which is the teacher, the coach can tell you how to use the teacher for maximum benefit, but it is the teacher in your hand, the stick, that make sure that you're true, right? Because if the stick is true, so are you. And the rope, you'll tend to take on

the qualities of the tools that you're manipulating. And with the rope, it is this fluidity and the spine feels so good. And we reduce everything down to external and internal torsion. So if you basically drew a 40, like on a 45 degree relationship, so you're not the front, you're not the side, but sort of 45 degrees down. If you think of that right there is the window that inside here is internal and enveloping around is external. And you can sort of find that line. I thought this to Encema Inyang, who is very, he's up and coming huge influencer and he's just the most wonderful person and God smiled when he made in Seema. I mean, physically the guy is unbelievable, super coordinated, super jacked, right? And natural. Like he'd born this way plus the enhancement

through movement. And he just recently got his black belt. And when I taught him this sort of internal, external transition, he texted me. He's like, David, I am tapping so many people in so many new ways with such a little effort because what I told them is the name of the game is moving your bones because your bones are strong no matter what and if you can position the bones in that architecture with the seamless you know fluidity of the float of those bones that's that will ultimately define the best that you can be because when the burden is on the bones then there's not much burden on the body and the soft tissues where forces can flow. And being tight, which I would define tight as you have some interaction and you're sitting there giving him all

this information, right? It's all random and you're just the second the force is not moving forward and back with its overall intent. And you go like this, well, this is a use of move, right? Because if he's not defending, he created no damage waxing on, waxing off. It is the Bruce Lee intercepting fist, right? These angles. And so that's basically what it is. And the RMT, I call, so a club is another version of a stick and it was very useful once upon a dime, essential, I would call it. And I collected these clubs because when I get into something I go very deep quickly. I overdo everything. So I had an entire collection of these things and none of them had the inherent qualities that I was looking for in terms of the speed and safety

of moving a club at speed. So the solution was to take a club head that's not like super solid, you know, maintain its shape, but it has a little bit of, you know, flexibility from being. rubber, very hard rubber kind of thing. And then I filled it with only partially with steel shot, an aggregate shot. So we have the shifting weight and the feedback that you can create. And we're principally using two hands on one club, whereas most of the club training is, you know, unless you're talking about a mace, that would be sort of the two-hand application. But because I have two hands on this thing, now I can really train non-dominant and dominant, compare and contrast. And I've got movements with physical feedback, audible feedback.

And if I go fast and make it centrifugal, then it's silent. If I want to accent and go and create these like I'm pulling the club down, it's vertical, I get the chit, and then I shoot it up, and then the shot goes down. So I'm here. taken and I'll go, pop, pop. And with the precise coordination that when it sounds right and looks right, it is right. And now I've just put my shoulders integrated with my whole body through a faster, more complicated movement. And that creates better carryover. And as a fitness device, it's great, too, because you can sit there and swing the club in different patterns and actually get a workout. You know, and it's an expansive workout, not a compressive workout.

So it's a nice counterbalance to, because most of the time exercise is compressive, right? You're squeezing your muscles and, you know, you squeeze them to get your muscles stronger. But with this expansive force, you're sort of always like pulling into center and you get this timing where all of your mass gets to boom, boom, down up, on beat. And jumping rope is a sink of a. beat where the hands go down and the feet come up. Great for switching, you know, bang, bang. You can be on power stance, you know, power, power. Very, very useful. Good exercise, right. But the priority is the beat with rotation. That is the beat. Hands down, feet down, body down, boom,

invest in down, do it real well, deliver that force clean. Boom, you get to receive it and express it clean. is the ultimate foundation is the force has to be clean, otherwise it's restricted. And, you know, and fighting, one of the great things about fighting is, well, first of all, it's more embarrassing to lose a fight than it is to lose a basketball game, in my opinion. Yes, it is. What's worse? I lost a fight, right? And the game is so infinitely complex and fighter A will beat B, but B will beat C and then C will beat A.

So styles make fights, right? There isn't one universally agreed on greatest of all time because somebody's going to say John Jones and somebody going to say someone else. It doesn't matter who's right. They got their reasons. But Usain Bolt and flight? Easy. 100% objective. We know who the greatest of all time is in the 100 meter dash.

And it's unequivocal. You can't argue against it. And so with that, going back to fight and flight the foundation, we have an objective measure. So we can be a scientific process because I can now quantify exactly the result of the given inputs when it's objective. But fight infinitely complex relies first and foremost on locomotion. So if I can enhance the locomotive strategy that I can shift my weight without ever losing balance, and athletes don't fall. What we do is we drop, we drop into balance.

We don't fall, right? Whilst others are falling and freaking out, what we're doing when we're trained is we are solving the problem, right? So we're going right to productivity and just bypassing protection. because protection and pathetic, you probably can get hurt. Whereas if you can solve the problem, and now you don't even have to fall, you just dropped into balance. That's the best we can be. And the tool, again, being the teacher,

makes investment in that tool give a greater return in an area where you haven't been training all your life. Because even if you play with a tennis racket, your expert with a tennis racket, but there may be some things with a stick and a club and a rope that you're not really fast a lot because you haven't done the pattern 10 million times. But having increased the bandwidth that you can rotate any and all, right, and it's all perfect.

Everything's integrated. Well, then that'll translate into you being able to take that enhanced capacity and the subtlest little nuance control the tennis racket better. Right? And at the highest level, we're talking about. about gains that are a millimeter are very difficult to get at some point. And then every person will have, you know, their peak moment. When you're 85, you won't be at your peak physical moment.

But you could move with perfect balance and beat the shit out of a 20-year-old without hurting them if you got so good at jujitsu. And you preserve the option to hit him, maybe even bite him if he ain't going to behave. I want to ask you on with the clubs in particular, it was the first time, you know, like that I started, obviously, you know, single-handed opening up as we're doing the casting out, the fishing rod casting is something that really opens up a sub-scat. But first time I had to put it in two hands and really get to the bottom of a position completely coiled over.

You know, I could see such major imbalances from right to left, you know, And it really didn't depend on like which handedness I was. It had to do with like which position I felt more comfortable in. And to me I was like, dude, this is this is mind blowing because of the fact that clearly, you know, when I think of like mobility, right, mobility became important because if you get to an end range and it's short of where you should be, that can result in injury. Right. It's like where's the weakest link in your body. But it's beyond mobility. It's accessibility, right?

Because now we're talking about putting ourselves in a position where we're. were fully opened up and coiled into one position. And we have to work out of that. There's another thing that I really like from Pavel Tatsulin. He talks about in his book Easy Strength called Greasing the Groot. Yes. And so his main thing is greasing the groove on, you know, push, pull, squat, hinge, twist. And most of that greasing the groove, though, we lock into, you know, this basic X pattern stuff we see in the gym.

Brunch press, pull-ups, squat, everything's right in front of you. Even a lunge, everything's just right in front of you. whereas what I was noticing with the club was I was forcing my body. It was being asked to get into a deeper and deeper and deeper position with deeper rotation, which in and it of itself was uncomfortable and then now have to move from that position athletically out into another athletic position. And just those reps over and over again started to grease the groove on that super odd pathway, which was giving me balance, was giving me the ability, was giving me more access in the spine.

And it was allowing me to find power in an uncomfortable position. It was allowing me to find some level of equanimity and confidence in a cool position. So I'd love for you to talk, you know, like, I'd love for you to break down. Like, did coiling come during this? Did it come before it? Where did you start to figure out what the point was and break coiling down for us? I think it's such a cool thing that you've really brought to the table. Anatomy trains.

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And what we want to do is master it through the polarity that the long side is the longest that it could possibly be, so there's no slack in the system. And this corresponding, the more I go along here, the more I can compress and coil here. And I want this to get to a position of balance and strength where you could drive 2,000 pounds through my palm and I'm here like this wedged in and 2,000 pounds I'll support because I'm wedging it into the coil. So what comes through here comes through here to proximal. And I can be internal and I can be external. And when I have established those two positions, that is the fundamental poised to pounce. I can set up in like a start position where I can be right here.

here ready to go and I'm not getting tired because the bone structure is doing the force transmission maintaining the congruency of the spine and the shin and then coiling to differentiation. I could sit there for a minute and still go on an instant because I'm not getting tired and I am ready. My first movement is productive from the reflex of level. And so when I own the position and I own the position. Now I have somewhere that I could go to and I can snap into that coil like that and it's the position where I am my strongest and if the force were overwhelming me, well then I just use that force to direct my center away from the force. So even if it's stronger and overwhelming, I still preserve my balance by not let him capture my balance. Right. And I'm extremely

strong with both sides of my body, boom, contributing to that one-sided action because everybody knows, you know, you're going to throw a punch. You've got to do the offhand correctly if the punch is going to be the best punch it can be. Right. So that aspect of using the fundamental tools to sort of get that fluidity is what bridges the transition from those fundamental positions. So we spend a lot of time establishing that side position and we define it as if I'm just staying on one side, that's coiling core training. But as soon as I take it across the midline, now it becomes rotational movement training. But we do spend a lot of time in just coiling core to get that position on the side solidified and always reinforcing it, polishing.

it when it's perfect, right? So you're just getting incrementally deeper and deeper and deeper with the technique that makes it more perfect, more perfect, more perfect. And when your intent is going inward, you can make orders of magnitude progress because you're just going deeper and deeper. If the goal is external, well, order of magnitude really doesn't exist because, you know, if I run 10 seconds in the 100, I'm never going to run one second. Right. That would be an order of magnitude improvement.

If I bench 100, can I bench 1,000 no matter how hard I try? So this wisdom of going inside will exponentially improve the coordination that you'll be able to perform strength feats through the technique and manipulation that makes you stronger in a actually I can do it sense than the guy who is stronger than you who doesn't know the trick. And, you know, in martial art, as soon as there's a new trick, it works until everybody else learns the trick. I mean, jiu-jitsu itself is what started the UFC. And it was a trick that, you know, if I'm Frank Shambrock, I could get in a guillotine because I wrestle. And if I wrestle, it's sort of anathema that I'm going to lay on my back. You know what I mean? It's like you've been conditioned your whole life that that's a worst thing that could ever happen.

And meanwhile, you play jiu-jitsu, some guy who'll pull guard, go right to that position, which makes it more useful for self-defense. But like you said, a good wrestler, he'll be a better jiu-jitsu player once he sort of, you know, channels that to the rules of jiu-jitsu. But yeah, so that's big. And then so we have the coiling cord training, the coiling core training, the RMT, rotational movement training, and then we have the bilateral torridors. where what we're thinking in terms of is the torsional and the torsional, which encapsulates

the flexion, extension, the, you know, adduction, abduction. So I don't want to think in terms of like dividing planes into, oh, this is for training, you know, sagittal. This is for training that. I think that that is such a limited approach that it removes you from finding the truth if you are always going to be that mechanistic because we aren't door hinges. We are this complex balls and sockets and articulating things that the spiral dynamic is the structure and functional relationship of the human body. So even a biceps curl is not some pure flexion, right? You know, which way is the house? Is it that way or that way? So, yeah, so and that really, you know, no one else had done this approach and we have visual equity because we've never seen like this.

And I can make it as specific to what you do with your hands and then what is the intent with your hands. And I wouldn't understand that the way I do had it not been for the Eastern perspective to inform the Western because these all associate with meridians. And when you understand the coherence between these meridians and the Western understanding of fascia, well, you learn the importance of the ring finger because the ring finger can't rise up like this, like the middle, like the pinky, like the index. So when my intent goes to chasing the fourth finger with the thumb, what it does is if I did it with the middle finger,

it'll just take me out if I'm trying to move this. It'll take me out. But if I use the fourth, what it does is it goes but then it funnels to center and it just so happens that the meridian that goes to the ring finger it was called an imaginary organ when i learned it so you have a liver murray you got a lung marie you got a spleen you got all the gallbladder and now you have the triple energizer or the sand jow or the triple warmer triple heater whatever the fuck you call it it's it's like oh it's an imaginary organ. But now, when I've done more and more reading, what I come to find out is that it is the organ of form. It is the fascial construction that it suspends, separates, and surrounds everything. That's the significance of the ring finger. And when you learn how to learn how to

ring the wrist and ring the hand, you are now creating a point in space that the entire, body can orient around. So this becomes an axis of rotation in point eight, eight is infinity, to the pericardium. That's the castle for the king called the heart, the way I interpret it. So this is infinite, this is infinite. Rope flow is two infinities integrating, you know, in all different manner. My BOSU logo is two infinities, right? So the fact that we're able to derive and describe infinities with each hand. I mean, it's just good metaphor for what's ultimately, you know, possible for your capacity. Could we do something that we would not believe to be possible now at some point in the future just because somebody gave you the, you know, the code to the lock,

as it were, right? So I like being grandiose. I like being, quote, quote, unrealistic, because, you know, even if you fall short, maybe you're a lot further ahead than just being realistic. It's an interesting way to manipulate the motivation. I like that. Well, what came after? Did the pro polls come next? What comes after the RMT Club? RMT Club.

I have Soul Steps, which is sort of a platform for the feet with a place. Yes. Talk about that. That's fantastic. Yeah. And I have them under my debt. desk because even sitting and putting your feet on them just feels better. Like your legs weigh something and there's a give and go to the forces.

So a sole step is basically the, this is the highest part under the inside ball of the foot and the outside ball of foot's the lowest point. So what that allows us to do is allows us to create dorsiflection to limit where and this high part acts as like cocking the store. spring so that I can go to a position with this limiter that I would be in motion if I didn't have it. So I'm able to suspend myself right at that point of departure with the shin angle and with everything just perfectly ready to go. So I'm in that poise to pounce an nth degree further where if I didn't have this, I'm actually pouncing. So this increases the poise of the pounce.

And then the inside heel bone is higher than the outside ball of the foot. So we get this dual action where the forces of your weight are being driven forward and lateral because the lateral is where you're going to initiate athletic movement and cocking the spring here to the big toe that lets us go further forward before we go inside. And most of the problems with feet involves like pronating early so the knee is going inside before the knee has passed the toes. So once the knee passes the toes, you can windshield wiper. You probably know that from jiu-jitsu, right? You can windshield wipe. You can be on the ground.

You can move the knee and still keep the vertical force perfect, right? When you do certain arrangement with it, if the knee is past the top, you. toe. But if the knee is behind the toes, now the whole foot becomes clamped down and the knee doesn't hinge that way. And it could either be a long, slow, repetitive stress that wears you down, or it could be one event on the athletic field that sends you to the surgeon. So the sole steps give you that. Then you can flip them around in their weightlifting shoes with a lateralization. and the lateralization is how we unify the first layer of the foot, which is the fourth and fifth metatarsals,

and the big toe, second toe, third toe actually connect above the heel bone to the talus. These two four and five go to the heel bone, the calcaneus. So when I am able to establish my balance on the outside ball, the foot, that captures all of the power of the heel, that is the go and then the inside is the go-to. And if I'm going straight, if I'm going straight, I want that to be very clean. If I'm cutting an angle,

I might stab with the inside first to make the shin here as a wide receiver, but it still has to have integration with the strong outside portion. So that it's not... The green dot? Yeah, the green dot is what we call that. And then inside here would be the bottom.

blue down. So it's go and go to. So soul steps came about. I had been working on them for more than a decade. And I was sort of working under the premise of the Weck deck. And the arc or the pitch, the combination of angles on the sole steps equates with a similar relationship of those four points when you're on the Bosu ball in a very specific position. So I even designed the BOSU Elite to indicate that position. And it was existing and training in that position where I learned more pelvic relationship so I can do internal and external better as, you know, from being in that loaded strategy. And so this sole step is essentially like solidifying that. So there's no give or play, but with that same relationship of coming here and coming there. So, you know,

depending upon the arrangement of these four points that if you put them right here that's the patented pitch and we're turning that we're turning that into what we call the x deck that will launch in 26 which is a big version of it that pieces together in like you know many different ways so you can it has utility beyond just the patented pitch and it's a foam with a rubber coating that we optimized for barefoot training So you can get on this thing barefoot and it is like it's like a riverbed. You know, it's not too hard, not too soft. You know, you sink in, but you barely see the sink in kind of a thing. And so very friendly for barefoot training.

Very cool. Well, the big invention now, and this is the big one, is the propulse power vest, this thing here. I wear it all day every day. this one has 12 of these cartridges where there's a weight and a spring and it literally bounces out in your hand when you apply the downforce to it and what this does is this happens in between when you land and when you launch so you land without the burden of the weight then the weight hits and disappears and now you launch with the benefit of the up force from the spring and the weight.

So we can run up a hill faster wearing the power vest than not wearing the power vest. So you mean to tell me you can run upstairs faster by putting 12 pounds or 10 pounds on your body? Like how's that supposed to work? And before this came the hand pulsers because finding a weight and a spring in the distance, it's very difficult to do when you're starting from nothing. You know, like, how do you even, you know, give the specs for the spring that you want? Well, do you want music wire? Do you want this? How many coils do you want? You know, what's the diameter? Like, I had no idea. And I happen to find one and I got it. But the concept of the other

ones was sort of like BBs in a jar with space. And what that does is it it removes the effects of inertia acting upon your body because when I hit the weight is all here so I don't stop the weight. I stop the container and then the weight hit and snaps me back like the doctor just tapped your knee and your foot goes. That's not volition. It happened as a consequence of this connective tissue recoil that this gives me and you'll run faster up a hill with these in your hands, then you will without. That's weird. And so that in this invention here with the vest,

there's zero learning curve. It encourages movement. It makes jumping, like you spend less energy. It doesn't hurt your knees. My, you know, 87-year-old mom can, you know, hold on to the counter and sort of plyometrics. Doesn't even need to leave the ground. And the, the story.

and I think is really pivotal to this is the skeleton and osteoporosis and the lymphatic system and how movement and pliometrics flushes lymphatic. So from a health standpoint, I can picture, you know, the demographic that's the biggest that's only getting older in need of more remedy. Well, they, I mean, you know, who can't benefit? And the catch-all is that it makes athletes faster. Oh, okay. Well, if it makes, if it, God's honest, makes athletes faster,

it doesn't matter what the coach wants. It makes you faster, right? And it's not illegal. It's not steroids. So, okay, you know, how many people take steroids and say they don't because it gives you a distinct advantage? Okay. A lot more than we probably are let on to, right?

Just like fixing games. The whole world has turned crazy. I think physical education is our salvation. Because if we can instill that confidence in an individual that they can root and resonate, well, then maybe you don't get stabbed in the arm, you know, every two months just because they tell you, right? Maybe you, you know, maybe you do, you know, just walk into the store without a mask on because I'm not going to comply this time, right? But if you're insecure in yourself when nothing's happening and you don't even know that that's a causal factor or source of insecurity, now you're just frustrated and angry because you've got a problem and you don't know how to solve it. And then solving it means go to the gym and pump up even harder and keep yourself braced because I'm strong.

Oh, yeah, how long you're strong? You're weak, right? You got weak mental resolve, right? I mean, it's not about being, in sports, it is about being better than the other guy, but in life, pick your lane and be better at what you can be better at. Like, you know, I can't do NFL football, right? So get over it. Go do something else that you can compete at.

And then ultimately, compare your results to who you were or would have been. All right. You can log a win that way. All right. And all you need to do is believe it. That's the only, that's the hard part. Tony Little said conceive, believe, achieve. And I think the hard parts believe.

Because you can think of anything. You can think of anything. But does your solution actually work? There's a lot of wishful, hopeful thinking, right? And when it's not working, okay, well, you know, you can either go broke, not dealing with it. or you pivot and move and, you know, deal with it. And you can always come back to things, right?

So I really think that this is a, it's a paradigm shift in understanding how to walk like we used to. Locomotion 1.0 calories are precious. They're not doing burpees. They're going out to hunt. That's what they're doing. Right. They probably played games and had foot races and wrestling matches and all that stuff.

And I would bet that that was the time. when they sprinted the fastest because if a saber-tooth tiger is chasing you, running doesn't solve the problem. And running your fastest is probably worse. You know what I mean? So you have to, you know, at some point, fight is the requirement when you're just outmatched in the flight and you can use tools to create the weapon that wins the fight, which lets you live to see another day until ultimately you can make an airplane and not get eaten by a tiger.

Put them in a zoo, right? We have the passengers, lions, tigers, and bears, uh-uh. I mean, they're not a problem because we had a stick. And now we have, you know, more. So it always, you can't lose sight of the root and the fundamentals. what got you to where you are because that's the reality. So you can't deny the past. You have to deal with it and make the present better than the past,

given the circumstances where the past brought you to present. I mean, it's just these are the, it boils down to like strategies for living, strategies for winning in life. You know, if you can do sort of actions and mental gymnastics that coincide and best thing to do is, you know, stick to the. the truth, make sure you got it and stick to it. But that's, I think the key to my success is really the persistence and the tenacity that I'm never going to stop. And once I made it, well, what's to do? Make it better. Make it better. Right? Because if you get complacent, satisfied with best,

well, somebody's going to eventually be better. And you had a head start. Didn't keep on going. What the hell are you thinking about? Rocky three. When you were talking about throwing the ball against the wall, I'm thinking Rocky, what did he do? He had like a little ball and he bounced it. You know, when he was going to make his collections, he was bouncing a ball, right?

What are the things that you can do when you're doing other things that make you better? I mean, that's how you train your feet. You can't do three sets of eight and expect your feet to be better. Your feet is like, oh, no, you're watching Netflix and you're just rolling something under your feet. You know, if you want to be the best, there's certain body parts that require a lot of time to transform and get strong.

And so, you know, I mean, Kobe Bryant, I just saw something recently on Kobe Bryant. At halftime, everybody else was on their phone, social media, lining up the girls for after the game, whatever they're doing. And Kobe Bryant would be watching first half footage to gain advantage in the second half. And if I had to pick an athlete to emulate

in terms of I want to win, well, I'm not going to go to Instagram. I'm going to watch what that guy did in the first half. And how can I use that information to beat them better in the second half? Right. So I think that that inspiring people to say, you know what, even if you don't know what to do,

start doing something. And even if the car is going in the wrong direction, you can turn it when it's moving. But if you're just in neutral sitting there, it doesn't matter you're the right direction or wrong direction. You're going nowhere. And I think so much of it is just the, you know, the fear of the unknown, the fear of failure, like, you know, losing sight of, you know, the ball that's in your court. And I think that for me, if you learn how to comport yourself such that you are never out of balance, your body is just fluidly changing its weight. with 100% coherence.

I think it has a way of canceling a lot of ambient noise within you that you don't even realize is gumming up the signal. Right? Because again, we're back to the you can't buy it and you can't fake it. You know, you can't. I mean, if you don't know Jiu-Jitsu, you can't buy Jiu-Jitsu and you can't fake Jiu-Jitsu, doesn't matter that you're a lot stronger.

That guy's going to make you tap. It's just going to happen because you don't know the game yet. Well, something I love so much about diving into all this stuff, and it's really only been the last year. I mean, I knew who you were long before a year ago, but really, like, taking the deep dive into your tools and working with Connor consistently is that, you know, the first thing it reminded me of was like, you know, in the diet world, people got into the paleo diet. They got into it. And they're like, all right, maybe we can still use some, you know, some grains if they're fermented or something else, which we can add in some new things here. And it doesn't have to be a one-size-fits-all approach. but let's think ancestrally, right?

People thought back to the past, what worked for the longest amount of time, when was this new stuff introduced? Maybe we rewind the clock and then take things one step at a time to see if we can reintroduce those things and how does that impact us. And that makes a lot of sense as a framework.

It doesn't mean the past is better than now or the future, but we must learn what got us here and integrate that and take it with us, right? We don't just graduate and discard. We graduate and we integrate. We have to take it with us. And what you've done with movement is such an awesome way to reframe how we look at it.

You know, Pavel said, we don't, he said strength is a practice, right? It's not calories burnt, calories lost. It's not, you know, a muscle building bench. Bodybuilders are different category, right? Power leverage is a different category. But for most of us, strength should be a practice, just as yoga is a practice, meditation is a practice. And movement is the practice.

And I think for a lot of us so consumed with 19. 1980s growing up you got Arnold Schwarzenegger and and Stallone and Van Dam and all these shredded buff dudes on the gas and we're what every kind of muscle necks coming out everyone's at golds and Venice and all the movie stars became that for a minute pro wrestlers the same Hulkomania macho man all the way to the rock so like those are our heroes I want to be like that how do they do that oh they got this whole magazine and how I can do a derham charles 21 inch art you know derrim to grow I'm going to get my arms to be big and in the process process of that we get stiff, we become less athletic. There's no application in sport.

People like Barry Bonds who've lifted traditionally, I can't believe it. Like he, how good was he as an athlete to, number one, be a Hall of Famer before any steroids were in the equation. But then to improve the level he did, using traditional bodybuilding techniques and juice, so it's like, this guy is a freak of nature, easily the best offensive baseball player of all time. But how much better would he have been if he was, working with someone like you or Paul Check, like he would have, it would have just been immensely better. And that's hard to believe. But I think for so many of us, something that's really resonating with me, and this happened, you know, before, I made the, the commitment to be

the best athlete I could be 10 years after retiring from fighting, not to fight again, not to do anything else. And I had had different goals, you know, I got into powerlifting, I got into distance running, I ran an ultramarathon. All that was just pushing. How far can I push myself? but, you know, talking back to working in and getting into these positions where it's an internal game, I think is so valuable for people because it's a reframe from how do I train, why do I train, what's it all for, right? And if it's about being a better athlete and moving better and having more access to me, that has benefits that go far beyond the body. And that's something I think you've alluded to throughout this conversation. It's so important is that our confidence is there. It's different. Our way of being is different. When you talk longevity,

You got guys like Davidson Clare trying to find, you know, the magic pill with resveratrol injections and shit like that. And he runs once or twice a month. That's all he does. You know, it's like that's not longevity, right? Longevity is understanding this vehicle to the best of our abilities, feeding it what it needs, getting enough for us, but also moving properly. And you think about. I'm sorry, I just want to say there's longevity and there's also being miserable. So if I had to do a certain protocol to live to 500, but it involved like, oh, I can only do this or that.

I don't know. I don't know. I might take, you know, 80, 90 quality years, eating meat and having some fun, as opposed to strategy where the goal is just the endurance. Like, quality and quantity, quality, right? So anyway, sorry to interrupt, but I just, like that went to my mind. And you described the 80s perfectly. And then it was, think about this, Dominic Cruz, right? I'm friends with Dominic.

And Dominic was just one day telling me, he's like, do you realize the evolution of MMA and how 20 years ago it was something and how far advanced the martial arts have become? And before MMA, I think the legit fighters were the guys who were boxers and the guys who were wrestlers and most of the other martial arts were, you know, I got my black belt next to the laundromat and the soft serve ice cream. And, you know, I still in Cub Scouts, burning bugs when I'm 16, kind of, like that was my impression, you know what I mean, of the martial artists. And the wrestlers were the badasses. And I don't even think I knew a boxer.

There was no boxing in high school. And like, you know, okay, maybe that one kid's dad boxed and he learned a little. But, where I, you know, I wasn't in Detroit. I wasn't in Philly. So, you know, to the badass legits were wrestlers. And now the MMA, I mean, it's just a whole, you got to be honest right now because the level of these fighters has evolved. I mean, you look at 1970s football. I mean, the offensive linemen, you're, you know, 205 pounds or whatever you are. O.J. Simpson's, the baddest ass guy on the field. No, you bring, you bring, you know, some of these guys today. I mean, they're just a different animal. And I think that that, the MMA, back to that, and it's evolution and success,

I think that probably had more to do with sort of the guys who I idolize. It was Arnold. It was Tom Platt. It was Sylvester's own. Size and looks was everything. And you got a performance benefit from it, right? You're better at football if you're 20 pounds more muscle. You just are, right? But I think the MMA and someone's prowess is more sexy today than it was in the past where you required the bodybuilder physique ripped and muscular. That was once like the sexiest that you could be.

Otherwise, you need money. So now, I think, you know, the prowess of the individual means that, like, it's a different zone that is most attractive to both men and women, because there's nothing worse being some inflated guy who gets punching the nose by, to skinny guy. Like, you know, and even like rope flow, the reason why rope flow is starting to now, like, enjoy its next big jump is because the big strong guys are doing it. Like, if you see a guy that's bigger than you and he's doing a rope, that's going to make far more impression than a skinny little guy like me

that you can dismiss that fast, but I'm not a hippie. And why am I going to twirl a fucking rope? Like, what's that going to do for me? Well, it ties everything together and takes all those muscles and makes them better, right? But I think the birds and the bees are going to sort of be the thing that keeps the game going with a drive that we don't control. I mean, somebody at track that walks by, bang, you didn't think of the pink elephant. It just appeared in your mind. You had this unexplainable draw to move closer.

right and that's what allows the game to go on right that's that's the most fundamental thing there is and i think getting back to this true confidence regardless of how you present because some people can't look like arnold but they could learn jiu jitzen right and there's nothing cooler than seeing a guy who you would just dismiss physically and then you watch him kick a bag like you know six feet in the air And holy shit, if that hit a head, you're in big trouble. And the guy knows Dudo. So he didn't need to get on the ground with you. He's a boom.

I love when that happens. Yeah, that resonates. I like seeing the videos sometimes that go around online of a kid getting bullied at school. Yeah, it's clear because everyone's got their cameras out. And the kid's like, he's clearly being bullied. He gets pushed or slapped in the face, something where like, and he doesn't retaliate. then he finally reluctantly takes his backpack off or she does and just whoops the dude's ass with an arm bar or some nasty choke and you're just like god that's a

bullies should at least be aware that this exists you know like they're i think word gets out before be like oh that guy's got a black belt in taekwondo i remember people saying that in high school and i'd be like eh i wrestle you know yeah yeah right but but now you know like you've got kids that are that are competing in in a dcc you know at 10 years old they're obviously that's the kid stuff but like, you know, there's a ranking system. We have a couple of kids at our academy that are ranked in the top 10 in the world for 11, 12 years old.

And it's like, that's that those are guys you don't want to pick on. And I think, you know, part of the reason I want my kids to both be black belts and jiu-jitsu is not just for the self-defense aspect, but because of the character that builds from white to black, it's baked into the system. They're going to be better at being human. They're going to be more humble. They're going to have better character. They're going to be more self.

They're going to understand the self. They'll know thyself in ways that are kind of hard to imagine without that course of action. But, dude, I love everything you're doing. It's such a wonderful art because it allows you to play at full speed. So if you're going to go in study striking, okay, you're going to incur damage if you take it to 100%. But in jiu-jitsu, as long as you sort of have the priorities right, and both people are there for the right reasons, you can pretty much go all out.

You get a little tweaks and stuff every now and again, but you can get to such a high level because you can practice at a high level. And that makes it worth its weight in gold. Because you can do it when you're 70 years old and beat a younger kid just because you've been doing it. As long as you're taking care of your body. So that's where all this fun stuff comes in

with the work you guys are doing. This is how you take care of yourself. I've had a blast getting to know Connor and getting to know you. I'm still, it's on my bucket list to get out for San Diego and train with you. So I want to come out. We'll do one face-to-face. I'll bring my camera and we'll get some solid training in and hopefully I don't embarrass myself. Hopefully Connor gets me to like Blue Belt level at some of these things.

Well, I know how to solve that issue is we just go in the octagon and you, you know, you have the way. And you'll feel great. And then we'll make, well, thank you for the. Listen. Thank you. Sorry, just tell us, my pleasure, David, tell people where they can find all this awesome stuff. You can have no affiliation. I'm just a huge fan.

I've been a fan for a while. And now in this past, like, year and a half, really taking a deep dive into many of your tools. So I have a deep resonance and understanding of them and a huge gratitude for everything you're doing. Where can people find you online and follow you? And where can people, you know, learn more about these awesome tools you've invented and perhaps grab some for the holiday. that they care of themselves.

You know, Weck Method, W-E-C-K-Method.com is the website. People can find everything there. We're Weck Method on the socials, and it's The David Weck on Instagram and X. And those are the two that I do. I have a YouTube, and I think I'm going to start doing it. I have never really focused on it. But I think the long-form lends itself to, you know, sort of who I am. And so people will be.

be able to find YouTube as well. But those are the day's way. You like me will have to be mindful of how we speak on YouTube. Otherwise, shadow bands are on the way. So hopefully, whoever's pulling the strings decides to not drop disease X anytime soon because I'll be getting shadow band everywhere once again, telling the truth about all that bullshit. I know. Yeah, unfortunately. All righty, brother. Well, thank you so much, David. It's been a pleasure. Thank you for your time. and I can't wait to get to train with you soon this year, hopefully. That sounds amazing.