Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #452 Erick Godsey - UAP, Epstein, and a crumbling world model

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

This episode we talk about the breakdown of Erick's previous world model, the importance of the "right" people to breadcrumb the truth, and conspiracy theory/ fact.  Join Godsey's Dharma Artist Collective here! https://www.skool.com/lucid-university/about   Join my new community The Kingdom Within on Skool! Deep dive topics like this episode, real health and optimization, family and relationships, and more with like minded curious folks doing to the work to improve their lives. https://www.skool.com/the-kingdom-within-5541/about   Get the best microdosing products in the realm at www.brainsupreme.co/kkp  15% off ALL products using "KKP" at checkout. My fav stack before training is 1 Genius with 1 Athlete! I also LOVE taking Feel Good before sound baths, R&R, etc.

Eric Godsey, welcome back to the KKP. I guess you can't call it that. Welcome back to the Cow Kingsbury podcast. Well, why can you call it the KKP? Because it would be the KK podcast. You can't call it the KKP podcast. True. A double podcasting.

I caught myself there. Brother, it's always a pleasure. We'd never get to see each other. Every time I have you on now, I talk about this. But from a life trajectory standpoint, the amount of growth that happened when I was sitting near you at on it, and then in fit for service was and i know we covered the fuck out of this last time we talked but it was truly something special the the bubble that we had you know just being around each other

was fucking rad and i miss that more than anything you know the events were dope the people were awesome um getting to go to some of the coolest places you know on earth with your ohana was fucking rad and most importantly was just the fucking daily of being around each other and so i missed that and i got to see you here at the the farm. Tell us about the DAC event and then we're going to get into a bunch of weird shit. Because that's what this is all about today. Weird shit.

Well, we actually might do that in reverse order because I feel like I owe you a huge apology. So like, as you're speaking to, one of the things that I really enjoyed was when we would do these events and you and me would have like three or four hours where we didn't have to do anything. And it's just like, all right, Kyle, tell me the most wild shit. you've gotten into and let me ask you questions and you were super gracious with me and like we got into all sorts of shit and um specifically things that most people would classically interpret as

conspiracy theories and um one of the things i knew about you is that uh out of everyone i've ever met you're one of the only people i know who reads as much as me and has a comparable recall you know, because it's kind of autistic, how well you and I remember what we read. And so I trusted your capacity to regurgitate the facts as you read them in books. Because one of the things I'm very low patience for is talking to someone who's into conspiracies, but I know that they've never read a book about it. It's all TikTok and Instagram and YouTube. And that's not saying that that's not credible, but there is a different bar

that one has to cross, especially pre-AI bullshit, to publish a book. And so we would talk. And it was like it was my spiritual duty to be the Socratic gadfly. And now in the last like four weeks, man, it's been,

I'm surprised at how non-disorienting the change in my ontology. And it's not so much that anything that I've heard, I'm like, that's 100% true. It's that I think something happened with the Epstein file drops and me being able to, like, I spent a decent amount of time, like reading a lot of these emails and just feeling like it wounded my worldview in a way that allowed it to like open up and a bunch of shit came in to the vacuum of the rupture. and I'm like a massively more sophisticated and nuanced appreciation for the UFO slash UAP phenomenon

remote viewing the depth and width of MK Ultra and recently I forget the name of the dude I sent you I think it's like George Georgiani or George Johnny yeah and uh Again, we're moving super slow here. But I was in the car with my friend the other day, and we were coming back from having seen Project Helmerie. Incredible. Oh, would you like it? I wasn't going to see it, and I saw the trailer yesterday

when I took the kids to a movie, and I was like, that actually was fucking good. And I like Gosling. It's incredible. It's gorgeous. It is surprisingly funny without taking away from the drama. But I think the thing that, that movie does that is a

a Herculian project on behalf of the writer because it's based off of a book by Andrew Weir is... Wait, a doctor Andrew Weir? Is that his name? I think the author is like A-N-D-Y-

space Y or space W-E-I-R Andy Weir. Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else. I don't keep going. I don't want to derail you. Go ahead. But, um, like one of my big things to people since I was a kid about the UFO stuff is like dog the statistical chance that a species that evolved on a different planet would look

anything remotely like what we are used to when interacting with another human is essentially zero and most people's response to that is like well what if this human form is like the most like effective like you know and with love that's someone who is saying that they don't understand the evolutionary process as as it's observed and you know yeah and i would might might poke the the check said to me the universe um god how do you word this the universe isn't wasteful meaning if there's a good if something is good in it you'll see it repeated and if we were potentially this is just getting right into some other shit but but could very very well be part of the conversation today since we're talking aliens and fun stuff.

If you get into the idea of the Ananaki or us being having been seated and Greg Braden and many others talking about, you know, this chain, the break in our genetic chain and how there's a double telomere back to back that doesn't happen anywhere else in our genetic code. Again, I'm not a fucking geneticist or anything. I can't verify or poke holes in that. But that is verification of a tinkering that happened to us back in the time. you know, a certain amount of timeline, which also would be the results in our brains and all the other shit that we can't figure out why,

and that we are some amalgamation of primate and this other alien race. For sure. So it was never a compelling response when I, because like the real problem that I'm offering when I'm talking to someone who's talking about this type of stuff is, one, I 100% believe that there is an intelligent life. outside of us and two it's an invitation to the person in front of me to open your mind

that it's more weird than we can imagine when we're going to make contact with a truly intelligent species that evolved on a different planet with a different set of mutations and evolutionary fitness advantages for their local environment so anyways

you'd love just to get people a picture of that. We loved Arrival. Yes. The movie Arrival. Loved it. We talked about that for years. I've seen it. We've both seen it multiple times. And the cephalopod, like, you just, you wouldn't expect that from your classic ET phenomenon and what we generally. Really unique.

Yeah. Yeah. And so Project Hill Mary, I think, does an incredible job at, well, what would, how would we try to communicate with some other conscious intelligence that we meet. And I think that's where the movie really fucking shines is the relationship between the main character and the UAP that he encounters. And I'll just leave it there. Hell yeah. I like that.

I like that. That's a good primer. I didn't even realize there was that in that movie until, you know, that there was other consciousness until seeing that trailer in fullness in the theaters. And I was like, oh, shit. got that as a little twist. All right. I thought it was just, you know, this guy's got to save the earth. You know, your typical Armageddon bullshit. He wakes up and he's got a, you know, the Jesus beard and can't remember. I don't know. Anyways, the trailer looked fucking cool. So I want to definitely

intrigued to see it now. And I like Gosling. Let's talk, let's talk about, you know, where things have kind of shifted for you because, and I want to frame this for people like, why are you talking about this? You know, like, or this, this podcast has fallen far from the days of total human optimization, but not through a certain lens, right? And so, you know, if I was to say, like, if I have a sex expert on or something like that, sex is a part of human optimization, relationship is part of human optimization. Our relationship to nature, right? Fucking Daniel Friths Griffith. That's a part of human optimization because it's optimizing the totality. We talk about things like this. To me, it's not just a, do aliens exist or not? It's a,

what does the picture of our reality actually look like? And how do we interface with it? 100%, you know, and it's a deeper conversation of consciousness. It's a deeper conversation around what's possible. And so I love shit like this. I geek out on it. I have a few points that I'd love to just offer to the people who might be listening who are thinking like, well, why the fuck are they talking about this? So a few things, why it's interesting to me.

First and foremost, there is an appreciation that like the wound of the Epstein files has created in me that, there is so much more going on than I have ever been exposed to because I wasn't willing to look at the corroborative evidence that exists. I am a child of the public education system and therefore I am historically retarded. Like just straight up, if you're listening to this and you also grew up in the public education system and you didn't grow up in some like, Ward or for like having like a super special set of parents and aunties and uncles our historical literacy

is it is a fucking embarrassment like for example almost no one I know knows the amendments that make up the bill of rights you know and like I don't know them off the top of my head we're dumb and so one of the things that I have been

appreciating I've been specifically getting into this rabbit hole through Jesse Michael's podcast, American Alchemy. And the thing that stands out to me is his capacity to function as an investigative journalist who is interested on collecting the facts and then finding how to corroborate the facts. And his podcast, whenever like an interview is mentioned, they'll show a clip of the actual interview, where you get to see the person they're referencing talking. If they reference some type of government operation, they will show a screenshot of the actual unclassified government document.

And they really go out of their way to approach it like investigative journalist. And so a part of human optimization, especially in 2026, especially as the rise of, you know, slop starts to invade the Internet, is what is your capacity to maneuver unknown, cognitive territory in a way where you don't succumb to bad information. And two, you actually have the flexibility to update your worldview. And so from a pure, you know, like worldview building animal, because for everyone here in order for us to maintain our sanity is we have to be,

we are such competent magicians. that we don't know we're magicians. And kind of like the default magician task we're all doing is holding together a worldview that keeps us from killing ourselves and from continuing to do hard things each day that matter to us. A lot of the muggles are fucked because they've never, and I mean that as a joke, and if that triggers you, you're a muggle. No, but for real. It shouldn't trigger these listeners, but yes.

I'll use muggle a lot. I love that word. is that we are going to be tasked to navigate an information landscape that is the most toxic it's ever been. And I find, for me personally, going down this rubber hole now at this point in my life, where it's not like an addiction to keep me from giving my Dharma to the world. Like I'm having success. I'm leading a community. I'm showing up to my partner.

this is now the this is now something that I can contend with in an interesting way where it's incredibly cognitively demanding to like just sift through like okay what are the facts why do I think these are facts and then instead of jumping to all these interesting conclusions I'm just like immersing myself in this fact field the third thing that's interesting is um if I'm being honest with myself, I am interested in trying to figure out how to grow my competence to the place where one day I could contend with the people that press buttons that kill

children. And because that's actually the desire, the first thing to recognize is, like I said earlier, like, from a technical chemistry standpoint, like, I'm, I've been, I'm retarded. Like from like a, not from a derogatory, like look at that kid. No, like from a, in chemistry, the word retardant is a chemical that keeps something else from completing its chemical process. So like there's a fire and you have a flame retardant.

It keeps the flame down. I am so far away from having any competence to be able to contend with the true boogeyment on this planet who are not metaphysical, who press the buttons, who make the command, fits into their worldview that fucking kill children, that exposing myself to the type of investigative journalism aspect of the UAP and of like the main, it exposes me to the intelligence community. It exposes me to some of the players that have like slift out of the intelligence community.

It exposes me to the type of strategies that they play. And so like one of the ways. that I think about it is exposing myself to this information, it's like I'm starting to get my first whiff of dementors. You know, like, I don't get to go to Ask a Ben, but I know it exists. And every once in a while, there's a fucking Dementor that gets caught in a London tunnel with Harry Potter. You know, and it's like, I'm personally curious to, because I guess the fourth thing is for most people, and this was me, you know, because I hadn't looked into it because it is a huge cognitive task to open yourself up to a conspiracy theory, quote unquote,

because it's a invitation to an ontological reconfiguration, which is like most people don't have the privilege of the extra emotional and cognitive bandwidth to be like, it's Friday. I'll go ahead and fuck up my entire ontological worldview of, how everything is structured, you know? But I have been humbled by the mountain of well-researched and sincere people who have collected just on the UAP phenomenon.

Like, so this is unidentified aerial phenomenon. A thing almost no one knows. So like, this is one of the jokes that popped into my head. It's like, I owe an apology to all my friends who are, who are conspiracy theorists, but in my defense, most of you guys are bad journalists. And like,

what I mean by that is the majority of the conversations I've had throughout my life if I ask, how do you know this? Or like, what is the fact, like thread? Either they can't recall anything.

You know, it's like, or the recall is just so scattered that it's not telling a story and it's kind of hard for, me to follow. And like, just one thing that I have found, that I have found is kind of like a cognitive cookie bomb that the people around me who aren't into this will, like be like, oh, what, really?

Is that there is a specific type of person in the military who is called a missile ear, who are the people who are the like active duty intelligence officers who aren't like high up, who are the ones who are responsible for watching. the button or the flip that you would have to press or flip for an atomic warhead to be activated. Like, that's like a job that you have. It's called being the missile ear. These people have very stringent psych evaluations that they have to pass in order to do this job, and they can't be taking anything, and they'd take drug tests each week. They have to report if they get sick. They have to report if they're taking Tylenol because the government wants their consciousness.

clean and sober because they're the ones that if they press this button and the atomic warhead is going on. There's a book called Adam Bombs and UFOs. I think that's what it's called. A great, great unique title. And there are over 140 documented whistleblowers that eventually come forward over the last, I think, 60 plus years who were missile ears, who reported seeing some type of UAP interacting with the warhead that they were watching over.

These are people who have no incentive to make this up. In fact, they're incentivized to cover it up because they will lose their motherfucking job, you know, like if they talk of... Slander, like fucking death threats. 140 documented whistleblower casing, reporting has come forward. And so like just that fact alone is like, like, Like, there is something happening on the planet that our government appears to not be able to stop that is almost attracted to our nuclear weapons. And there are reports of, the majority of the reports are they, like, deactivate something that's being activated.

And I don't know the details, but there's some stories where they activate ones that were deactivative. but they definitely seem to be interacting with it. And so that's just an example of that is incredibly good evidence. Like, it's not proof, but it's really good evidence that the average person who dismisses these things, like if you ask them,

if there's any evidence that they know about the thing, the answer is no. And so there's just been a really deep humbling for me where it's like, our world is so much more interesting and magical and like just fucking out there than I have thought and then at the very least it feels like I'm coming into intimate contact with the quote unquote modern mythology

like this is our culture as modern folklore like however you want to judge it from an empirical historical analysis from a mythological standpoint I think the thing I've really just started to understand like the last like month is this like yo this is my country's myth like this is our folklore this is our mythic like the grays the reptilians the moon is hollow and there's a soul catcher inside of it. These are a part of our modern pantheon. And if you go on YouTube, man, and you, like, these videos are very popular, is what I'm basically trying to say.

Like, I had a friend who had just started on YouTube as a podcaster who was getting like 2 to 10,000 views a week. He started to get into the UAP phenomenon. He started to get into remote viewing. He's at 200,000 subscribers now over the last two years. It's been, I think, two and a half years

for three years. He went from, you know, 8,000 subscribers to over 200,000. There's a deep, like, you can measure the potency of a myth by how many

people give their attention to it. I'm like, I don't know if you know, but the most, viewed Joe Brogan podcast of all time on YouTube is the first interview with Bob Lazar. Gangster. It's more than Trump.

Wow. And yeah, so that's kind of a plethora for people who might be thinking like, why are they talking about this? Number one, if you're ill or if you're just trying to make enough money to get to the next check, don't worry about this shit. And just enjoy the shit if it's fun. Those might be the people that are fucking most into it, too, though. Yeah.

I do think there's like there is a bell curve of interest and conspiracies where, like, the lower end of it is, I unconsciously pursue this interesting shit because it allows me the entertainment and the justification of attending to the things in my life that I could attend to to actually live the type of life, I'd be happy to live. Like, that's one end of this bell curve. And then I think in the middle of this bell curve is, at least here's what it was like for me, where the top of the bell curve is this now becomes your full preoccupation. You think you're actually doing something. but if you're not like a good if you don't have a good epistemological

humility and rigor it's like as soon as this becomes your full-time thing and you actually think that you're getting someone with it it's like you're on the path to very likely a psychosis like if you don't have like a honed epistemological structure where you can hold new ideas and then question yourself and not go down rabbit holes and not have stuff from your unconscious, like, breakthrough.

Like, it seems to be if you interact with the type of magical material, and when I say magical, I mean language. Like, if you deal with this type of, like, radioactive mythic material and you don't have a good hazmat suits, you'll get radiation poisoning on the way that that looks in the modern, especially like young men, you know, because through the work we've done, we've met a lot of these motherfuckers.

And it's, what is often the case is some unfulfilled attachment wound in childhoods gets to start to be played out through their mind just being absolutely ruptured by like a combination of psychedelics and the most. Frequent cannabis use, you know, all the things. You know, it's, so it's like a group of people we've been, coaching for a year

without us knowing it they come up to us as a group of six and they whisper to us that they are literally aliens from some other star system and that's... Arcturus. And that they are coming to you because they need to like turn you on.

You're to reactivate your star seed juice. Right. And so that's halfway. So if we look at this like pre-tragic, tragic, tragic, post-tragic relationship with this type of like what what what people would call conspiratorial material i think where i'm currently trying to flirt at because i never got sucked into stage two because i never got suck in i know yourself right that's really what it boils down to you know yourself you're not looking to attach yourself to something else or find yourself in a new identity right the thing that

I'm finding that is so interesting is like I think there is a meta appeal there is a meta lesson that these people who have come before me who have really tried to

do their best to make sense of of a scattering of facts that don't fit our current worldview that they've taken the time to try to collect the facts and then we've a potential speculation of like, what's the gestalt here?

Is these people are having to hone their capacity to make sense of the categorically unknown in a way that strikes me artistically as, this is what I need to be studying so that I can reverse engineer it, so that I can create games, so that I can teach the people who are paying attention to what I'm doing, because this is the skill that will be the most effective for us as we move through what's happening. What I mean by what's happening is anyone who has the capacity to attempt to pay attention to what's happening to the world, it's, it's, we are in the singularity that Ray Kurzweil talked about when I was in high school and college.

We have passed the event horizon. I don't want to bum people out, but it's just like, insert AI. Insert war. Insert disclosure. Inserts. If you actually track like inflation and things like that. Things are just getting, they're going to get so weird. And I guess the takeaway is we're going to have to become black belts at,

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I'm 30 minutes through that three-hour podcast, and it's fire. And I just love, you know, the breakdown there. I think he does, at least from, I haven't seen the whole thing yet, but from the standpoint of how he gives an outline, an arc to the story of what they're going to cover. It's a nice way of packaging the deal. where you get to learn about MK Ultra, you get to learn about our government's involvement and things like this. You get to learn about a lot of things.

I get clips all the time. I mean, my feed on Instagram knows exactly what the fuck I'm looking for. You know, so there's, I mean, and Czech sending me stuff. A bunch of people sent me stuff. There was a thing from Dwight Eisenhower, I guess, had met with a group of highly evolved beings. We call them HEBs. I like that because there's an HEB grocery store here with highly evolved beings at the HEB.

and anyways he said that they had given him the understanding of how to heal all disease, how to create free energy, like all these things. And he went back to him and regretfully said that that would destabilize our economy. We're not going to use it. And so it's just like, you know, I don't know if that's true or not. But boy, does that pain. Why did he get to make that choice on our behalf? Does that paint a picture of I don't think it was just him making that choice?

fucking everybody else that's got their hand in the cookie jar knew that choice. But whether that's true or not, it does point to, you know, one of the other things that I've heard frequently when it comes to like the alien communication is that our technology has exceeded our heart. Our technological advancements have exceeded our capacity to love and have compassion. And to me, that is hugely evident. And that is also, I think the main conundrum as we enter the singularity is that fact of that skew. Right. And now, because we're going to see that widen at a fucking dramatic pace with quantum computing and AI and all the other stuff with all of the changes that are about to happen pretty much overnight, right? In this 20-year crisis period, if you follow the fourth turning since 2008 housing, obviously we had, you know, 9-11 and other things.

it's not like every one of these seasons doesn't experience something traumatic. They do, but this 20-year cycle seems to be, you know, the most grave. And then we pop out of that and we're in a new high. I'm very curious to see what amalgamation of understanding society takes that they agree on to enter the new high. And this should end like 2030, 2030, 2032. A lot of people speculate this is the reason there's a UN 2030 agenda. there's a Paris Climate Accord for 2030. There's a whole bunch of shit that all depends on 2030.

And there's a 2051 and a bunch of others. But I just, I'm always curious about that through cycles of time. Like, where have we been before? There's a funny meme going around. I'm sure you've seen a lot of people have seen where it's like, man reaches a certain point. They're technological beings. They create hyper-intelligent AI because they want to create God. Super AI comes along and slaves humanity.

And then the sun sends a plasma blast that fucking just, destroys all electronics on earth. Humanity comes back from underground and worships the sun god. And then after so many thousands of years, the cycle goes back to it. I was like, I don't want that to be true, dude. That'd be a hell of a loop to be stuck in.

But the rabbit hole of this stuff, I think, is it is entertaining sometimes, but it also goes beyond that, especially as it pertains to our history, where we come from. And then, you know, where I like how the Epstein drop was kind of your entry point because it was a break in your view of reality. I think sometimes it takes that, right? Like Checks says, crisis is necessary for some people to change. Most people won't change until there's a holy shit hits the fan, right? And so, you know, we can each have those at different points in our lives that crack the doorway open to let something new in. But what was hardest for you in terms of

coming to terms of this and what was really the thing where you were just like, oh, wow, all right. Like I like I like you know and maybe it's not any one thing. It's probably a sandwich, you know, where you've got the layer of MK Ultra and then you've got a layer of this and a layer of that. Talk a bit about those those layers here. Yeah. So there's a quote in Dune when lady Jessica meets her from in a housekeeper. And they have that weird scene where with the Chris knife and the housekeeper screams and

freaks. The quote in both the movie and the book is something along the lines of when you've lived so long with prophecy, the act of revelation is a shock. Like, one, the people in the spiritual space who virtue signal towards the people who were disrupted by the Epstein files being like, well, we knew this for years. It's like, fuck off. Like, yeah. I also know that. kids die, but if I see evidence of a kid just having died and I grieve and you walk past and you're like, well, I knew kids died five years. It's like, you're doing that for someone. Go do it away from me. And if I'm online, then I just scroll past it. But I had spent a lot of time

researching what I was able to find about the Epstein conspiracy. It was one of the most like harrowing and sickening research. Like this was probably about like nine months ago. And, you know, I looked into it previously a couple of times the years before, but it was about nine months ago that I really went in. And I learned basically that within the last 100 years in the Western world, there are examples of other nations and countries. having an intelligence apparatus,

like their version of the CIA or something, know about or create, but I think the majority of these are they find it, which they basically find someone who is a serial pedophile who has some type of ring in some type of community where they have a lot of blackmail on people and it's just, it kind of is an organic thing because this, the person who's willing to go get the children

is the one that kind of has this power. And there was a famous orphanage in Ireland called the Kincord Boys Orphanage. And then there was a famous Higel case that exposed a pedophile ring, I believe, in Hungary. where both of these rings were known of by the intelligence agency of that country and allowed to continue because it was an asset to the intelligence apparatus. And so once I looked into that, I was like, that looks like what the Epstein thing is.

And, you know, there were like witness testimonies and stuff, but there was something about reading dozens and dozens. of emails that the URL was fucking dot-gov and that these had a file number as attached to it and that the

people responsible in the DOJ for releasing it if they had done something to tamper with that like if they had changed or if it was fake they would be legally prosecutable by powers beyond what Trump could just be I mean I guess Trump could give them a pardon

but like it was good evidence. And it was through, like, it was like a slow cook. Because one of the things that I promised myself is whenever I saw something wild on Reddit or Instagram that referenced the Epstein files, I would actually go try to corroborate it by going to the actual database, type it in the number of the file, and then finding it. and like at least 10 times I was like this for sure is fake like this is someone making something fake online

I type in the motherfucking name or I type in the file number and it would pop up and I would look at it and it was just doing something to me and the one that really cracked me open was I actually have it saved on my phone you know because it it was an email from a woman to Epstein where

she was like, can I come over or something? And then he said, yes, we're going to eat raw shrimp. And her response to raw shrimp was like, no, that's disgusting. I can't do that. You try to get me to do it last time. I can't even be in the room when you guys do that. And then he sends a long email that totally reconfigured my skepticism of the PizzaGate thing or the specific aspect of the pizza gay thing

where there is a clear coded language and food. But it was also the structure of the email also fit. I've extensively studied cults and like cult dynamics and how the leaders fuck up because it's really interesting to me. And there's a specific technique that a man in power will do to a woman to like get her addicted to him. in a way where then, you know, he can have like a harem of basically like women who will etch, you know, like the axiom cult.

He had all of his, all of the women that he had in his most inner cloister. He had them brand his initials right above their reproductive organs. Damn, yeah. And there's a process of indoctrination that so much. cult leaders will do where it's like you make them do things that they don't want to do as like a slow initiation and then you oversee what they eat you oversee how much they work out and it's a trope in these things and in this response epstein was like not only are you going to eat the shrimp but you're going to work with and then he named someone else and you're not leaving until you show

me that you can prepare and then he listed like six type of food dishes but they were weird you know like it wasn't like it wouldn't go together right like hot dogs and shrimp pizza and shrimp right and um and uh you're going to work out this much and you're going to send me proof and blah blah blah and it was uh that email in conjunction with the like probably 80 or 90 emails that i had looked at over the course of like you know probably about two weeks that was the thing that was just like and then by accident or synchronicity

like a week later I saw a podcast episode with Eric Weinstein and I really like watching interviews with Weinstein especially when he talks to people who are out there because he's just so fucking smart that like even when he's trying to be kind

he comes off as like a huge douchebag, but then when he talks about what he knows, he's really good. And it was a four-hour podcast on the Jesse Michaels podcast. It was the first time I'd ever seen Jesse Michael's podcast. And it was a four-hour debate with the leading physicists of a lot of the intelligence, communities, organizations, or read the UAP thing.

And I watch it because I, you know, because I thought, like, Weinstein is going to fucking tear into this. And I didn't even know who the other guy was, but I was just like, I'm going to watch the skeptic win. And he did kind of, quote, unquote, win. But the content of the four hours and the mutual facts that they just all took for granted as being facts just exposed me to a motherfucking, like, a bachelor's degree of information.

And by the time I was done with that podcast, I was like, there's a here here. And so then the next day, I listened to Jesse Michael's most popular podcast or his most watched episode, which is the one that he recently did with Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan came on his podcast,

and Joe barely ever goes on a new one's podcast. I was like, interesting. I'll check that out. That's wild. It was like a two and a half hour podcast. And they, you know, talked about, like, Joe had a really weird dream, you know, at the beginning of the podcast,

and they talked about that for a while. but then about halfway through, they get into the Apollo 11 moon launch. And we may have talked about this, but one of the things that really, yeah, we did, but I think it was off air, that I really appreciate about the American Alchemy podcast is whoever the video editors are,

they are changing the game of how to show clips within a podcast. like I within an hour was exposed to more like objective facts like weird facts around the Apollo 11 mission with screenshots of documents with pictures of people and the thing that really fucked me up was clips of different interviews and there's lots of weird facts around the Apollo 11 moon launch and you know everything that came out of that and 100% we produced propaganda around that time, around that launch, because it was like we were competing with the consciousness of the world

about like, is it capitalism or is it communism? And I totally get that. The thing that really like did something to my gut was watching the interview of the four astronauts the day after they come back. And anyone can go find this interview online. If you watch it without sound, sound. Like, I want to know what you think is happening.

Like, if you just mute it and you just look at their body language and you feel your gut, these, like, it fucking, it rocked me because they looked terrified and stressed out. Like, they were trying to avoid, like, this was the most high stakes thing they had ever done is being in this. this press conference room the day after achieving the most monumental, you know, like, it should be like, yay. And all four of them look fucking stressed and scared. They look like they just had the men in black sit in front of them and say, if you guys don't sell this, you're dead, your family's fucking dead and just went down the list of

little Johnny and Timmy and Christina and everybody else that's a part of their family. That's what it looked like to my good. They are borderline panic, and they have like a almost like they're shut down. That's how fucking nervous they are. And it's the complete opposite of we just, we've done nothing, by the way, that ever compares to the fucking seven wonders of the world. Nothing compares to the fucking pyramids. Nothing compares to a lot of things that's been built before us in recent times. This would have been that moment, right?

especially for young America. This was the motherfucking moment. When you think of American swag, you think of fucking like McGuire getting the home run record and then bonds beating that home record. You think about like the things that fucking Lance Armstrong, winning the tour to France all those times.

Fucking Michael Phelps in the Olympics with eight goals. Think at that level of swag. And there's not an ounce of it. Not an ounce of joy. Not even relief. Like I remember I remember somebody did a thing on Chuck Ladell And I got to train and live with Chuck

for two of his last fights before the UFC. He's a good buddy. And they talked about his face at the end of a fight when he goes to go, and open up his arms and do his big thing. It said it was like, it looked like relief

was an emotion he was experiencing in conjunction with the fucking unbelievable orgasmic experience of having decapitated somebody. There is, a few people will understand how, how there's, you hit a,

home run. You're like, oh, I fucking hit a home run. And there's a yes, you know, that goes along with that. Knocking someone out is a league of its own. It's just exponentially more. Landing on the fucking moon would make knocking someone out look like a, a fucking joke, like a comical joke by comparison and the fact that these, I mean, it's what, there's not even camaraderie. These guys are like nervous for themselves. You'd think like we'd be, if we fucking did that, dude, we'd be hanging on each other, high-fiving, slapping ass, you know, like holding each other's hands. We're fucking back on earth, baby.

I think that's a really good point that I didn't pick up is that they all look like islands onto themselves when they're at that press conference. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. And so I remember where I was. Like, I was listening to that podcast on the way to a friend's child's birthday, and I remember stepping out of the car and just being like, damn, I don't think I believe in the Apollo 11 moon mission.

And so then that just opened the floodgates of like, kind of in like a playful way because I really trust and appreciate the journalistic integrity of Jesse Michaels as a host. Like he's, it's, it is such a highly condensed. like the amount of facts that I didn't know existed that I'm being exposed to through listening to these people

has just been like a really fun way to spend my free time instead of watching the show. You know, like it was a joke during the Dorma Artists Collective but that's when I found

the first interview with Giorjani because the one I sent you is the first one that him and my Michael did. They had a recent one that was like super popular that then referenced that they had done a first one. So I went back and I watched the first one. It gives me extra juice than to dive into after.

Yeah. And that this one is all about like the circumstantial evidence that the Nazis had hydrogen bomb technology that they used as a bargaining. tactic with the U.S. when they surrendered so that the SS could get, and I always thought this was made up, but apparently there is a fact trail that our government as a part of the treaty with the Germans gave them a huge amount of money with the explicit, like a part of the negotiations is that there would be asylum in Argentina for a fat, swath of the SS and some of the other people and the higher-ups. And the ones who weren't getting

asylum in Argentina were being brought in, you know, through Operation Paperclip to become the forefathers of a lot of the intelligence agencies. And NASA, Bernan von Braun. And NASA 100%. And that there is also interesting, circumstantial, weird. facts around the Nazis exploring Antarctica and that Antarctica is very likely the true location of Atlantis. This is one of the things he was going on. And I'm like, I don't know. That's gangster.

If that's the case. But this is what I now listen to in the evening instead of Brandon Sanderson. You've got to oscillate between the fiction and then the potential truth. calling it the potential truth yeah and um it's like in a really weird way i find that it's improving my writing you know because like my core craft is writing and i do it all the time and i've noticed since i've been exposing myself to this um i find that the quality of my writing has improved and i think it's because i'm genuinely contending with new information that like is like I was saying earlier,

it just feels like it's helping me attune to a lot of the mythic content in our culture that I had looked away from because I had some part of my identity as like, I'm the gadfly to the conspiracy, you know. And now what I'm more interested in is like doing my best to collect facts

and not make conclusions, but just like I've oriented from gadfly to genuine investigative journalist. And to a lot of people who talk about conspiracies and investigative journalist disposition feels just like a gadfly, you know, because most people just are not prepared to like share their list of facts that help them come. Like just a lot of people are sloppy thinkers and a lot of people are not interested in trying to, there's a certain type of discipline you have to have if you're going to be a career mountaineer you know like where you try to climb to heights where you could die

and I think epistemologically there's a lot of people who are trying to walk Mount Everest without any gear and are doing it because they're actually afraid to start to sing there's like, I'm just going to try to walk up this mountain. And then they have like psychotic breaks and psychosis and stuff like that. And I feel like I'm starting to find my way in this space where I'm finding who the experienced mountaineers are and starting to deconstruct like how do they create their base camp? What type of materials do they bring with them? What traps do they look out for? and it just feels like it's genuinely improving my epistemological resilience.

And so it's been fun. All right, guys, one more quick break to tell you about the kingdom within. My new digital community that I've been working on for close to a year and a half, pretty much since the end of fit for service. This is something I've been working on and really trying to hone. What is it that I want to teach? Who do I want to bring to me and what type of community do I want to build? obviously health is one of the cornerstones in anything, in my opinion.

It is the foundation of which all things are built on. But we're going to talk body. We're going to talk mind. We're going to talk connection. We get into all of these topics and more and unpack them to the deepest detail. We'll talk psychedelics, alterstates of consciousness, how to make communion with great spirit, how to honor those around us, and how to increase our general sense of well-being. You know, what is it to mean to make the rubber hit the road to where I'm,

I have a grounded interaction with spirit and now I make positive changes in my life. How do I change my daily habits in an effective way that gives me more sauce and more energy and more joy in the things that I do each day? This is what this community is all about. How do we access the inner workings of the kingdom within and create the kingdom within that Christ talked about? And again, you don't need to love Jesus or not. That has nothing to do with it.

This just has to, I just like the name. and I want to honor that we can use the dials on the switchboard to change how our internal system operates, how we interface with our reality is 100% dependent upon all these on-off switches that we now have controls to. And that comes through the body, it comes through the mind, it comes through habits, it comes through our understanding of work-life balance, and it comes through our connection to ourselves, to our loved ones, and everyone we interact with. The Kingdom Within, available now. We're going to launch May. It's $150 a month. We've got monthly webinar calls to deep dive

to all these different topics and monthly Q&As. So there's a live touch point every two weeks. It gives people ample time to do their homework, to apply these things, and to come back with the questions for consistent improvement throughout the year. All right. I hope you can see you guys there,

The Kingdom Within on school, and now back to the podcast. Yeah, I mean, you're rewiring the brain in a way. So that makes sense that's something that you already have a talent in would expand. Yeah. You know, I think for a lot of people, but obviously there's, you know, the internet's littered with all kinds of stuff and conspiracies are, they're always going to be a part of it, you know,

as long as we have a free internet. I think that there are some really good books, you know, that have helped me along the way. One is one of my favorite authors, Mark Gober. And, you know, he did so many great books. He has like seven or eight. He writes them very quickly, you know, graduate. graduated Ivy League school, top of his class, brilliant guy. Got into the tech sector, left that, hooked up with Adjashanti, who also was a fantastic

fucking human being, an author. He wrote The End of Your World is one of the best books from Adiashanti. But Gober got to meditate with him and understood a non-dual understanding of consciousness and a lot of what we might experience in a peak psychedelic state or altered state. And yes, several books I love. First of all, just say I started with the end of upside down liberty. which came right, I think, right before COVID or right around it. And that was the first time where I had anybody break down politics and spirit in the same book

and show where the rubber hits the road. Like where can these actually live together and what happens if we are devoid of both and what happens if we have one and not the other? And it's beautiful. It's a fucking great book. It's easy to read. All of this stuff's not audible. Then one later than that was an end upside down contact.

And my first impression of that was like, I don't need to read this. I already fucking, you know, I've interacted. with other intelligences. And I've seen, at least once, I've seen a UAP move with 13 other guys when I've told you that story a long time ago. But we were at the Native American Reservation with my old boxing coach, Weetsie. There was three of us doing psilocybin and like a grip of dudes from Eastside San Jose,

who were dead sober that had just come in, that we too was showing like a different way of life. Like, here, let's do the sweat. Don't worry about the medicine. all of us went on this little walk right after coming out of the sweat. And obviously I've already ingested silo cymbin with the two other fighters. But like we look, we, we just stop in place,

not a single sound and look to the sky. It's a canyon with no running water and no lights, no electricity. So you can see, I mean, you're blocked from like San Jose's light distribution and all the other things. There's no light pollution there. And we looked up.

We saw what looks like a white light, spherical, move in directions at speeds. that weren't possible to change at the other. Right? And then it got bigger when we're all holding each other like, holy shit, do you see that?

And it got a little bit bigger and then just went like it had expanded and then gone. And that was crazy to me. I was like, it was a fucking UFO. And Witte Seagull, that was the spirit. And I was like, uh,

maybe, you know, but it was like, I can't actually argue that, you know, they could have been a spirit. We don't know what the fuck it is, right?

But it ended up saying on contact, I ended up circling back to it. is I love all of his books, and I was like, you know, and I should read this. And one of the things I loved in that is that as he talks about the potential of other consciousness and the evidence for it, he must bring up the conversation that there are good and there are nefarious. For sure. Right? And that and that is present. And whether that's who's controlling the powers that be and reptilians and all this, he leaves that off.

But he brings in, you know, the fact that there are demonic reasons. rituals that have happened for probably since as long as humans have fucking been here, right? Sacrifices, child sacrifices in that there's two states in the United States that have explicitly written what would determine like a demonic ritual. And it is fucking brutal to read it because it's like that's the shit when you rabbit hole far enough that you come to. Right. We're talking about shrimp and stuff like that. like that that that's the end game where you're like all right south park showed hillary clinton eat a fetus you know and it was fucking nasty and it's and and people laugh and

it's wild it's wild that's all i got to say and so i really loved how mark took it there because whether you're in a dmt realm you're not supposed to be in or or you know have something going on here on earth or you see like somebody working through an exorcism in iawaska it's like that yeah that fucking that's a part of the parcel it's a part of the game we're in whether we understand it or not, whether we acknowledge it or not, it's a part of the game. And so I think you did a fantastic job there. That also can be the point that breaks you open when you find out about the kids, when you find out about what's actually happening in the world that is government approved

and government run, you know, in a way. It doesn't break me to find out that, you know, RCAA is in charge of cocaine distribution and opiate distribution across the world. and that Mossad controls ecstasy and MDMA. Who knows if that's true. Maybe it's just for entertainment purposes only. But when you hear about shit like that, and then you backtrack that and follow the dollars there,

and you're like, oh, Vietnam became the number one producer of opium after we got there and took over their fields. Afghanistan was like number 13 or something in the world for opium. And then we got there for 20 years, and it became number one by a fucking landslide for opium. Like that's not. earth shattering because you can follow dollars. And at the end of the day, it's like, yeah, people die from drugs, but there's a choice in that matter.

Whereas the kid's thing is like, there's no choice in this matter. Yeah. You know, and he even interviews, God, what's his name? Oliver Stone's son who had a show on Gaia and was talking basically through people who had survived, you know, these horrific satanic rituals. and there is a common thread line that goes through them. And it was just wild. He said the guy, I think it was a guy recounting in his 30s when he was eight years old.

And his mom was like, I don't understand why you're being such a big baby about this because they were going to fucking eat a kid or something. And he goes, well, it's not right. She's like, consciousness is eternal. He's just going to get a new body anyways. What are you worried about? That was her answer. And it was like, damn, that is.

is true. And holy shit, like if that's the lens you take to be able to commit the most heinous crime against the most innocent thing on the planet, right? That's fucking wild. But like, that's the mind. Why do people watch, especially women? You know, I was just talking to a conversation with Tosh last night about why women are so drawn to like law and order SVU. And, you know, these, these serial killer documentaries and things like that. And, you know, it was her idea that potentially it's because women are the targets of most of these guys. My wife's 5 foot 2, 110, 15 pounds. She doesn't have the ability to defend herself the way that I do.

Even without a fight career, I could always defend. I'm 6'4. You know, like you're a tall, big guy. Like we're not necessarily targets. Add in the weightlifting, add in martial arts, add in how we carry ourselves. That's not a target, you know, but it's a totally different frame point for that. And I was like, oh, that actually makes sense why women would be successful. so drawn to that. But as fucked as that is, when you get inside of the mind of a psycho in that way

and it becomes real in a potential, then it's fucking, it's there, right? And that's a hard fucking pill to swallow. And a lot of other people would just let us, oh, they, they debunked Pizza Gate. They debunked this. They debunked that. And they just toss it out the window. And it's like, well, there's overwhelming evidence that that wasn't the case and that they're, you know, the debunking was a joke as far as, as far as I'm concerned. with the amount of evidence that's there. And so, yeah, as far as, like, I don't know if it does take a crack in the system to open one to any or all of the conspiracies, but it's certainly helpful. And so, you know, end upside down contact by Gober's phenomenal.

And end upside down, Cosmos was his last book. We podcasted on that. You can listen to it here. If you didn't hear it, it was fucking great. And Gober, that is one that will upend, you know, your opinion of reality in a very, very imposing and dramatic way. Yeah, what Tosh share really does resonate, like where there's an interest in trying to understand, like, the strategies and the histories of the predator slash, like, whoever you see as your opponent. And one of the things that I'm feeling is I had to create for myself a personal mythology to get past my early life trauma. and like what I mean is like I traumatized myself with materialism and skepticism when I was in my early 20s and like analytical philosophy where I almost like broke my mind in a way where I could have died and not cared.

And so to get past that, like self-induced psychosis almost because I was pairing like really intense analytical philosophy with mushrooms and stuff. horrible don't recommend um but so i had to create a personal mythology to get me past that where as i've um increasingly found like material and classic success my mythology demands that i continue to contend with like the next level of the game and so recently it feels like the big level that I've figured out how to do is like fundamentally how to get paid doing what feels like my calling in a way

that helps people in a way that I'm not ashamed of and it feels like that's like that that has clicked and so now I have this like extra bandwidth to start to look at the next level and for me personally because I have

looked long and hard into the ability of existential risk theory and that's like the some of the best minds of our time when they look at the momentum of our culture and they try to come up with prediction models for like what's the likelihood that we cataclysmically existentially threaten humanity on this planet within the next 200 years is it's way too high it's way too high for comfort like the chances of AI or atomic fallout or ecological collapse or the democratization air quotes of biological weapons like we are going to need in my opinion a cultural renaissance that will take multiple generations and because I feel like it's either that or you know like

I'm trying to have kids and be a good dad and I want them to have a plan And that feels like, you know, they have more liberty than I did, you know, like to continue that progress. I feel called to, you know, continue to grow my competence so that I can in some way contend with the predator, air quotes. And I really think it's the intelligence agencies that not everyone there. But if you think of, if you think in the terms of agregors, like every nation, every company, every religion, every scientific theory is what Carl Jung would call an organizing story. And a mythological way to think of an organizing story is to think of it as an agragor and an agagor is basically a thought form

that has a set of thoughts and beliefs that the people who are attracted to it will download into them so that they can get a sense of camaraderie or a sense of like a worldview that can stabilize them from, you know, the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. And that the agragores that make up intelligence agencies,

their fundamental ethos, their fundamental belief is deception. And I think that, like, in my cosmology, any person whose fundamental modus operandi is to deceive, that is a sick, broken person, in my opinion. And so when you think of an organization where that's their fundamental creed, it's like, that's the enemy, in my opinion. And I'm really interested in understanding how they were. Yeah. Yeah.

I think from a philosophical standpoint, and as a father, I like, I just, somebody broke this down for me and Dr. Nathan Riley sent it to me, but it was a breakdown of the differences between J.R.R. Tolkien's lines through the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit versus Dune. I saw that. Yeah. Yeah. And how, you know, Dune, your main character. are actually the villains. And they are the ones that say the ends justify the means.

Right. And if you look to the deception or anything that's happening in the world, it's always that quote. Right. It's always the end justifies the means. Anything that is, everything's on the table if it gets us to where we need to go. I'm reading John Gwyn's fiction books right now. They're fucking rat. I sent you one.

But it starts with, I don't forget the title of all of them, but malice is his first of four in the same. thing comes up. Does the ends justify the means? There's two main characters that are being built. One guy says yes. We're going to have to make sacrifices and do things we don't want to in order to create the empire that sustains peace and harmony throughout the kingdom. And the others follows exactly what J.R. Tolkien was talking about. Like, we may win, we may lose, but we're going to do what we need to do in every single situation because it's the right thing to do, not because it'll help us win or because it makes sense of everything else

just because it's the right thing to do in that situation. Right? And there's a degree of honor. And it's funny. Sure. In growing up and thinking of like the attraction to warrior spirit, the attraction to,

you know, the inner knowing of a martial artist, right? Like thinking of that, I never really thought of honor much. Like, ah, fucking honorable. Like, all right, I'll just tell the truth. You know, like it wasn't an attractive force. But then as a father, you think about that, like, oh, what type of character traits do I want to pass on to my kids or at least give them the opportunity to hone on their own and live, right?

Like that fucking honor is a big one, right? Like what you do, but how you do it. And obviously the truth is super important. We talk about the four agreements all the time, you know, being impeccable with your word is more than just telling the truth. Right. And I go back to Anahata on this. You know, you can tell someone that. truth, but is it helpful or harmful?

It doesn't mean lie to the person. Don't lie. But can it be said in a way, you can say things that cut that are true and you can say things that heal that are true. And so, you know, how we use that, how we use language really matters. But I feel, I can feel your dad essence coming on fucking strong. And I think, you know, to your point, like, oh, it's going to take generations. Yes. Absolutely.

I remember people, you know, the old saying that hard times make. tough times make for hard people, hard people make for easy times, easy times make weak people, weak people make for tough times. And that cycle just fucking goes and goes and goes. And this is our opportunity. You know, it's our opportunity to seed. Because if you look at like half of the, the thinking that is wrong can be rabbit hold as well. You go back to guys like G. Edward Griffin who wrote several books, but he wrote the creature at Jekyll Island on the Federation of Federal Reserve. he was a teacher at Cal Berkeley in the 60s. And there's old black and white footage you can pull up of G. Edward Griffin,

1969 at Berkeley. And he's talking about the American Communist Manifesto and how that was seated into the youth through colleges first and then through our education system. And that certain ideologies were put in place generationally ahead of time to get us to a point where we would love to fucking be socialist. We would love to give all. of our power away and say we don't need guns and all the things. And just how long that process

has been in place is mind blowing. But it's trackable. Right. And so like you think about that, it's like, well, what's the way to fight that? You can't just change this thing. Or I talked about for a long time in fit for service is like it's one thing to work with adults that want to fix themselves. Another thing to fucking raise kids in a way that right from the jump, they know their connection to God. They know their worth. They know what it means to be to be living in a way that that is helpful to the people here and living in right relation with all the fucking sacred hoop. And I think of that is like that is the answer. I love the fact, dude, total twins, you're going to love.

It's funny. You pull up any AI, he'll say like, oh, total twins is mostly a conservative type view of history and things like that. And it's like, that they're fucking libertarian. And they'll say it right in the beginning. But politics aside, it's a closer look at the truth than we would ever be taught in school, ever in public school. And it follows quite along the same lines as is Captain Fantastic. You know,

I thought about that right in the beginning when you were talking about the Bill of Rights because, you know, his kids are homeschooled and the kids in public school have no idea what the amendments were. And he brings this kid over famously. And, you know, his kid can just fucking quote. And he's like, no, you're regurgitating. What does it mean to you? Right?

And then she drops and you're just like, damn. Like the kid knows how to think, right? But that scene is powerful because, ultimately that's what needs to happen for generations going forward. And it won't happen for everyone. You know, it's not going to happen for everyone. I love the conversation. I've had a couple of great conversations with Edmund Knighton.

Edmund is a, you know, no Steiner as well as anyone that I've had on the podcast, knows the law of one, the raw contact as well as anyone. And one of the things that I really appreciate about him is, is the reframe on, you know, what it is to do here. Like, we're not here to fucking wake everyone up. You know, we're not here to usher in fifth dimensional consciousness. We're not here to do any of those things. The people that are asleep might have chosen to be so on a soul level.

And if they're not looking to wake up, it is actually an intrusion, carmically. It is not comically good for you to try to wake somebody up that's asleep. Let them fucking sleep. This is their turn to fucking sleep, right? And so thinking about that takes the pressure off of needing to fix everyone, needing to change everyone, needing to fucking wake everyone. up. That's not the case. But for those of us that are paying attention that did want to look at, that did want to look at it, whether it's Epstein files or UAPs or any of this shit, if you're willing to look at it and see the hard things and wrestle with that using discernment and see

what feels right and what doesn't and corroborate and find more evidence for these things, if you're willing to do that work, if you're one of the people that is trying to make their lives better and not just accepting of what's fucking been handed to them. Yeah. You know, if you're in any, any sense of self-betterment, then you're on that trajectory, right? Because you are seeking. And I think those are the people that we grab by the hand and say, check this shit out. This is dope, you know?

100%. Like the, what, like, the core of it for me is, I think we need a retinenceence. And I want to help contribute to it. to a Renaissance. And one of the pieces of trying to really understand what would be required for a Renaissance, what that does is it brings into sharp contrast, the public education that we've all gotten through.

And like, it is, I think I need to do more. research on it so that I can articulate the names and the quotes and get it really dialed but I definitely know that if people wanted to look this up there is a name of one of the architects of the one of the main leaders of the think tank that was the architects of the public education system he is quoted on paper for having said we don't need any more politicians we don't need any more philosophers, we don't need any more men of science, and we don't need any more polymaths. We are those. We need people who can follow directions, and there was, the way he worded it,

when I read it, made me more upset than almost anything I've ever read in my life, because this was his public declaration, and back in like, I think, like the late 1800s. of what the explicit goal was for the public education system. And I think in hindsight, there is definitely like crimes against humanity for the people responsible for creating the public education system. Like, of course, it brought a bunch of people who didn't have the means to, like, learn how to read.

But one of the architects' explicit quote that was in the paper, like, this is a fact. was that their goal was basically to create, you know, like a slave class. And for there to be a renaissance, there's going to have to be a revolution and how we educate the next generation. And what I'm personally interested in is like organizing my vocational goals in such a way where I can be a very present father so that if what wants to arrive, I have dreams of like a like a homeschooling thing where it's like a bunch of us co-op. Yeah. And like we all teach the

we all teach the intro class for children to our Darma. And this is like a proto model for like a guild system so that we can be on the lookout for the next generation of kids who like who their divine spark we are called to make them our mentors

and to give them all of our knowledge and to like propel them on the shoulders of giants so they can go beyond us I think one of the fundamental psychological developmental

stages that almost no one gets is to be the master of a craft and to find a young a young mentee who you can feel like you're not like any of the other kids you have a motherfucking thing in you that

I am called on by my Dharma to give everything that I know to you and almost none of us get that because we don't put our most people don't one most people don't acquire mastery at anything but if they do acquire mastery

at something they often don't teach. You know, like, at least the people I know, especially in the arts, there's this weird kind of like unquestioned belief that in order to be a master doesn't have a school. You know, like they're just off doing their master shit. And frankly, that's why I think a lot of master artists struggle with suicide in their later life because they're not orienting to the next. next developmental call, which I think is to be, is to take on the tutelage of a student.

And so, like, one of the things that I'm imagining is, like, none of us, it just seems like in the same way you can't tell your wife or your husband that they're fat of that they need to work out, like it has to come from someone else. It can't be you. I think there's something that happens that we can't truly have. have that mentor, mentee, like, darmic relationship

with our children. It has to be with someone else's child. Like, I think there is an intelligence in the psyche for a communal interweaving.

Yeah. Where, like, your children will love to train with you, but there will be someone else's child who just, like, you can see that they're fucking

obsessed. And it's just their whole life. And they, want to know how every, they can talk about it for six hours or whatever the thing is. And I think that type of, like, I think everyone who pays attention to what I share, you know, because it's an eclectic group of people is you're morally obligated to learn how to play the game of life so that you can give an education to your children that can, that will make them so much fucking smarter than you, so much more capable than you, and that's your gift to them.

And then to do whatever type of psychological work you have to do to not resent how fucking far ahead they are than you were at their age. Because I think we are kind of like, we're a transition generation where in hindsight we can look back on our childhood and there's both this like nostalgia, but there's also this aware of that. awareness of like, damn, I was being, it's a miracle that I'm here, that I'm able to help people in any way because of what I grew up on and what I was eating and what I was consuming informationally because I think the, I think the dream that we were giving as kids is dead forever, like the kind of implicit American dream, you know, where it's like you go to college, you pay your taxes,

you work for a company for 20 plus years, you retire, and you'll have a home, and you'll be able to go on vacations, and that's winning. Not only is that not winning, it's not even a viable strategy for a most of it. You know, like, anyone who is trying, that's just like hoping, like, if I just stay in for five more years,

I'll get the retirement, like, most of those jobs won't be there, you know? That I, I feel like we're in a, really weird time where we need a renaissance and to contribute to a renaissance will require us to grieve the dream that we used to have.

Yeah. And just be prepared to eat shit to help our kids, you know, like at least be able to stand above, like, level one of the Hunger Games. Like, it feels like one of the things that I try to, like, tell people, we are all, everyone that triggers you on social media, everyone whose face you can see in a video

even the quote unquote elite except for like 10 of them we're all in the hunger games we're all from different districts no one no one is out of the hunger games like the people who make 10 million a year still in the hunger games

like and we're actually on each other's team you know this really fucked up way and we're too busy hurling shit at each other than to like turn our collective gaze towards the like castle. And I'm still trying to figure out like, how can we create havens within the Hunger Games?

Yeah. You know, like, because to get to the castle, like, it's not our generation. And I'm totally open to like, maybe it is. And like, I'm capable of more than I think. But I definitely think there's a, I'm definitely entering into my chapter of being a father. Like, there's nothing official yet, but things are moving in the right direction. And we're definitely looking forward to hearing what devices reflect soon, you know. But I'm ready to give my life to trying to just focus on my kids and the people that I can help in my part of the garden to just have, like, the best education, the cleanest attachment bonds to adults.

so that they can just fucking like flourish their gifts so that they can contend with the bullshit that I'm too stupid to contend with, you know? Yeah, I love that, brother. Beautifully stated. Well, I'm so stoked for you guys. Absolutely stoked. Tell us, we're going to wrap up here soon, but tell us a little bit about your event you just threw Dharma Artists Collective and the cool shit that you're doing with your group

online. If anybody's interested, I'd love to. and send people your way because you've you've been in this now since you know even before we acknowledged the death of fit for service you know you had been building this working to build this thing and and you've been doing it for over a year and it's gone really well yeah so um the dormant artist collective is a group that started online for um artists and entrepreneurs who could tell that their attention their capacity to focus because of the internet had really really been injured. And so I created a space online where I basically reverse engineered my

personal process that I've used for 10 plus years to get into deep focus for a couple of hours every day regardless of like how busy my life was and reflect like how important I think this is as like a fundamental practice. Like one of the things that I think a lot of people don't have an appreciation for is if you don't get REM sleep for a couple of days, you start to exhibit severe signs of psychosis to the point of basically having like a psychotic break, like it makes us go insane. I think the same way we need REM sleep, I think we biologically and cognitively require periods of deep focus daily. And that deep focus is like one to four hours being completely immersed in a task without task switching.

And that's something that most of us got access to for most of our life because we didn't have, you know, these motherfucking phones. But now the average person in my generation checks their phone between 200 and 280 times a day. And if you sleep for eight hours a day, which most people my generation don't, most people in my generation in the West are sleep deprived. but let's just say you got eight hours of sleep. If you check your phone 200 times a day, it means you're checking your phone every four to five minutes.

I have citations for this on my website, but it takes about 20 minutes for your cognition to drop into deep focus. It takes like about 20 minutes for your brain to start to move all the bullshit information away and to bring everything from the subconscious into the context to then do the complex task with deep focus. So if it takes 20 minutes to drop into defocus

and the average person is checking their phone every four to five minutes, the average person in our culture is perpetually distracted. And I think they're not getting that equivalent of REM sleep to their cognition. And if you look at the rise in mental illness in our country, in all Western countries, there is this weird, and people debate over what's the cause,

but what they can't debate over is there is a spike from 2012 that has just risen every fucking year since 2012. At 2012, a bunch of things happened. The first front-facing camera was invented. This is between 2010 and 2012. The first front-word facing camera happened. The deployment of 3G, which really increased the rate in which people could use their phones. Instagram was invented and then sold to meta, and then got, it went from,

no followers to 90 million followers, the first set of Instagram filters were created. And all of these things came together at one time to radically change the cognitive environment of the average person in the West. And so I created basically a game for people to learn how to focus with each other. and I took some aspects of AA, like, you know, a irresponsible DJ, and I was like, what happens if we just mush these two things together?

And so basically the core practice we do is what is called a Dharma sprint. And so a bunch of people log on. We all share what we intend to give our full focus to for the next three hours. And then everyone keeps their camera on, and they just work on whatever it is they're working on. And, you know, there's between like 20 and 50,

people on these calls most of days. And there's people playing music. There's people doing motherfucking works out and Tai Chi. There's people writing. There's people podcasting. There's just all this stuff happening. And then at the end of the three hours, we chime a bell. And then everyone comes back and we let two to four people share just like what their

emotional experience was like. And just having people share, they're like, their tender. truth that day, just like, you know, with ceremonial circles and things like that, the shares become like their own main event. And it's just what you need to hear, blah, blah, blah. And so that really starts to get a bunch of momentum. And then I eventually decided to, like, host my first event, you know, because I've been a part of a bunch of FFS events, but I was like, what type of event do I want? and so what I came up with was this kind of like

anti-event event where there will be no one on stage who's a teacher is going to be like so the way I've designed it and when I first ran it I had no idea if it would work because I was like people might fucking hate this

it is a huge success and I encourage anyone to steal the forum and to try it out with your own friends because it fucking work. So basically for four to five days, we commit to doing those sprints like two or three in the morning, like for an hour to two hours. And then we take a 20 minute break and we walk on the land and it's a silent land walk. So the first like six hours of the day, everyone's just in their deep focus on whatever is the most interesting to them.

And then I have a three hour lunch period where people can talk and eat and play and we play sports and we get sweaty and we just fuck around. And then after lunch, there's an hour-long dream circle where I basically teach people how to share their dreams. And then I just let the group share whatever dreams they've had in the last few days. And then once we get past the first day, you can only share dreams that you've had during the container. And then after that, people do everyone who comes has to perform in the open mic. and you can't do whatever you did in the past. So like if you played a song the last time, you have to do something new.

And then we eat dinner and then people go home. What happens is that in that type of environment, the artistic latent potential and everyone in the space starts to become the teachers to each other, and people get so much fucking work done like good meaningful work and whatever it is they're working on everyone gets tan

you know because we're out here like everyone fucking had a tan but the real fucking magic is the dream shares just get more intense and weird as the days go on and people start everyone starts to be in each other's dreams it's so cool

but the real thing is the open mics like everyone wants to be seen and everyone is afraid to be hurt and seen because they're afraid to be judged and we like you just see so many people break through that like they're terrified

and then they start doing their thing and whatever comes out is fucking beautiful and then everyone stands up and claps and like there's tears and it's just like it's so good and I don't have to plan anything I don't have to prepare anything it's just full jazz trust

there's no way workshops. There's no lectures. There's no like ecstatic dance, even though I do think ecstatic dance would be cool. And then on the last day, we have them do a land wander and then we do a despacho in the fire in the evening. And, you know, it's just a very honored to be the leader of a cult. And it's awesome. The cult is get deep focus every day, do things that scare you, make art, and help people. Fuck yeah, brother. Well, my man, I love you so much it's always great having you on the podcast we'll link to your website and the show notes and that's it dude thank you we'll run it back again love you buddy love you know