Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #456 Ken Conte on hunting, vision quests, and things that reconnect us

Episode Date: May 15, 2026

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Welcome back to today's podcast. We have the return of my friend Ken Conti. Recently, we had Ken here out at the farm hosting a week worth of ancestral hunting school, which was really cool. I've had a bunch of guests come out here and hunt on the land, hunting for Black Buck and Red Stag, did some hunts with them as well, made some mistakes, learned a ton as per usual. We deep dive the process in hunting, what Ken's doing with his school, but also vision, and a number of other awesome things that Ken has really, you know, made his life all about. He is just a walking encyclopedia of wisdom, you know, in the best way, embodied wisdom. And I love Ken dearly. I'm stoked to have him on the podcast and stoked to be able to sit with him and sweat with him and have him lead us and guide us in Vision Quest again this coming year. So super stoked, share this with friends. Also just launched The Kingdom Within, My Community on School.

look for the link in that and the show notes. We'll talk a little bit more about that during the podcast, but that's it. The launch is official. We're going. All right. Enjoy. Without further ado, my brother, Ken Conti. Tired because you've been here all week, Guy and Hunts.

Yeah, we've been here, I think, yeah, five days. So showed up on Tuesday and got right to it on Wednesday. So amazing. You know, the first time I came out here, I imagined doing kind of what we did. this last week. And so it was really cool to see it come to fruition. You know, so and really heartfelt, lots of, you know, already got a ton of messages from the people that came out.

And they were really excited to be here, glad to be included. And, you know, also there's a chance for improvement. Absolutely. Let's talk about what, what did you have in mind? Talk about what you created, what you did. I mean, I obviously was in here. sporadically throughout it. But what was the offering?

What did you guys get to do here? Yeah, I mean, the thing, so it originally came out of the fact that we have, you know, so I own ancestral hunting school. I've had that for four years now going into our fifth year. And the biggest thing that I find is that people are, there's, it's a really high barrier to entry, you know, to get into hunting. And so we offer, obviously traditional schools where they go out and hunt.

We guide them through it. But this was actually kind of a step before that. And that's what was really neat about it was because it is, you know, it's a high fence. So there is successes on the horizon. You know, it may not be the day we think it's going to be, but it's going to happen. And also managing the animals that are here. So it's really multifaceted. it feels like.

But also, it's a great way for people who aren't ready to pull the trigger, you know, to witness that and be able to see it. Yeah, I think there are a couple things that points that you make that are, I was just out with the kids. I get every Friday, I give the mom's little break time to go fucking hang out and watch TV and do whatever, not have to mom. So it was like Daddy Kid Day. And because you guys were hunting, I brought out Eric and Eric's kids and my kids to

the arcade and we were playing video games, playing racing games and things like that. And it may be think of like Mario Kart, you know, there's easy courses, there's mid-level courses, there's challenging courses, and there's courses that you're not ready for yet. Totally. You know, and like if we have 118 acre track, that's high fence, that's overstocked in the moment. Like you're, it's a pretty easy track. And you have, you know, a lot of people, one thing that was really impressive, you know,

that really landed with bear after the fact because my son had his first harvest about a week ago and then his first time he killed an animal and then first attempted a hunt, first hunt yesterday and he had all the feels about it, you know, but the thing was it helped to have guys like Godzi and other people and Brian who didn't feel comfortable shooting yet still come out to learn the ropes. Like I'm going to walk with you guys. I'm going to see how you spot and stock. I'm going to see, like, what are the things we're looking for?

How loud is too loud, you know? Is it okay to whisper at certain times? Am I the guy that keeps stepping on fucking sticks? You know, like, there's a lot of... You know, I actually stepped on a stick yesterday just to get that look from you. You know? The...

But, like, the, you know, do you shuffle your feet? I was hunting with a guy who shuffled his feet. And I was like, holy shit, my son knows not to shuffle his fucking feet. That's like 101. Like when you were four, that you should have been scolded out of you. Yeah. Anywho.

But you don't know these things if you don't know these things. So you're doing it in that situation. You have other guys there with more experience saying, hey, we're making a lot of noise right now. We've got to change the way we walk. Pick your feet up. Do this,

do that. Don't do that. And so, I mean, every time, yeah, I'm still blown away. Every fucking time I got to take an animal's life.

There's some big thing to learn, you know, like every fucking time. Oh, yeah. And it's red. It reminds me like, like,

I keep saying, this about jiu-jitsu and it probably gets old for people who don't do jiu-jitsu, but getting to black belt, it feels like beating Mario, you know, like the original Super Mario Brothers, and now you play the game again from the beginning, but it's harder. Yeah. Right? Like, it just keeps going, right? There's no end in sight, and the game got significantly more challenging.

And, you know, oh, God, what was going to loop that to on that? Where we were just saying before here? We were talking about the different levels and all the things that go on. Yeah. So like I'm still, I get up on my black belt in 2016. You just got my third stripe, third degree black belt. That's a time thing. It's not a skill thing, right?

But it's a time in thing. I've been coaching for that long. And so it's really cool. And I still see, fucking last month, I saw an entirely new position. I didn't even know existed before. I was like, holy shit. I got more questions than the kids in the class. I'm like, when does this happen?

Who's really like, when would you want this? like, you know, you have to be like evenly matched. It kind of reminded me of like in pro wrestling when they'd reach a hand up in the other 1980s wrestling and the other guy, they'd look to the crowd and the crowd's like, yeah, do it. You know, and then they interlock one side in hands, you know, and they're going. And then they bring the other hand up slowly, you know, like, you know, they start going. It's like, there has to be like a certain flavor to bring that on. Yeah.

But it was still something I'd never even fucking knew existed. Yeah, yeah. And so I'm like, I don't know everything about jiu-jitsu. That's fucking damn sure. Be worried of the guy who thinks he did. is. But yeah. But like to have that still happen over a decade into it is really cool. It's a really cool thing to have. And I feel that way with hunting every time that there's like, dude, there's so much fucking nuance. Totally. To everything that's happening. So much to be aware of.

So much to be self-aware of. And so many skills to work on that like I'd love what you're doing because it's so necessary because of the amount that you have to take on. First, you can say like, I'm down to kill an animal. Yeah. But it's a completely different ballgame when you say like, oh, I got to be good at this, this, this, this, this. There's a lot of components. Yeah.

For sure. Even, you know, even just walking around and like the, you know, yeah, we're on 118 acres, which is, you know, huge to some people, not that much in terms of hunting, you know. Like there's places that I hunt that are 60,000 acres, you know, like, which is crazy and gives you kind of a whole other appreciation. But one of the things that you realize is even just. walking around for eight hours is a lot, you know? And I don't think people realize how much just physically it takes out of you, you know? And like that was most people were here for a day or two,

you know, and out walking the land, but just out walking intentionally will take a lot of energy out of you. And then there's all these other skills that you have to be able to shoot. You have to be able to, you know, be quiet. You have to be, you know, there's a lot of things that kind of go along with it. And I love what you said about learning every time because that's how, like I come to it as a student. Like, yes, I am a teacher in it. But I certainly don't know everything or even 50% of what, you know, people know out there in terms of hunting. But what I do know is the experience of coming into it, not knowing anything later in life. You know, and so I literally built this school out of something that I was like,

I wish I had this when I started hunting. And one of the things like this week that I learned that I didn't know, and I wasn't sure whether it was going to work or not, you know, we, we were out hunting red deer. Red deer are really similar to elk. and they were moving by us. You know, Eric was set up. He was going to harvest one for Brian.

And so Eric was set up, but they were moving. Like, they knew we were there. And I just did my, like, what I do with elk or with deer. And I was just, and they all, they literally piled up. I mean, they stopped, like, were, like, ran into each other, like a cartoon, which gave him enough. opportunity to take a shot. And so it's those things where, like, I didn't know whether that was going to work or not, but I was like, well, it's worth, and it seems so counterintuitive because

you're, like, trying to be quiet. But if you don't do that, like, they're just going to continue on. I was like, we've got nothing to lose here. Clearly spooked. Like, you know, like something, something's going to, and it worked. And so that's not to pat myself on the back. That's more of like, oh, that's something that I learned this week, you know. And, and, you know, and, you know, and, even like blood trails. And having an assumption about what it looks, what like a bad shot looks like or what a good shot looks like from the blood if they don't drop immediately.

I had a, you know, I was hunting in, I guess it would be West Texas a couple of years ago. And I was using a 7mm wind mag, which is a really heavy duty rifle. take down almost anything. 100 yards, shoot this buck, very little blood. I'm like, did I put a bad shot on it? Like, that's crazy. I go over, I look at it. I'm like, maybe I put a bad shot on it.

It was like 60 yards away, like dead by the water. But what you realize is that that's not something that you, And so we had a very similar situation here where it was like, oh, is it a bad shot? And it wasn't a great shot, but it was definitely a lethal shot. And so you kind of come back to those learnings every time I was like, I don't think this animal is wounded. And sure enough, it wasn't. It was dead.

But those types of things I just kind of keep coming back to. And it shows students, like, there's no linear path. Like, there's every time you go out, you can learn. and even if you're not hunting, you can learn. Hey, guys, I want to tell you real quick about Brain Supreme. We just had Adam Shell, the founder of Brain Supreme on the podcast, where we went into all things microdosing. It was a fantastic episode on the how-toes, the do's, the don'ts, the in-between.

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And I feel like there's always some type of wardrobe malfunction or something. It's just sucking. Oh, man. It was funny when I went up to your neck of the woods in northern Colorado for elk, I drove and I have, you know, this kidded out tundra where it's got the slide out boxes and I've got all this shit stored in there and I know where everything is and it's all organized, you know, and then, you know, I drive all the way out to Northern Colorado and from Texas and park it, you know, and I just do even think, you know, but we go out and I'm like, I got my rifle. You're like, you have everything you need.

Like, yeah, grab that rifle bag, toss it in and we go and I'm in your truck. And it's only at sunset after we're fixing to field dress, the animal, the cowhawk, where I'm like, everything I have is in my fucking truck miles away. What good is that? I didn't bring anything. I had it all with me. I didn't bring anything. But I mean, even I couldn't hear instructions yesterday from Eric because I had loaned my headgear to Gadsie and was using AirPods that occasionally shut off on their own from like shaking my head.

to him. I don't know if it's a water thing from running in them or what, but like, yeah, they just had them on. Yeah. So I could still hear people talking and it would still noise reduce. And it just shut off. So like he's fucking mute to the world. You know, and I've got tunnel vision, right? Yeah, yeah. Like he's like, you're aiming a little bit high. You're able to, pow, you're aiming a little bit high. Pow. 0.8 mil. Pow, right over everything. I'm like, what the fuck is happening here? Anywho. I mean, so one of those things, like when you talk about the truck, One of the things that I try to do is I give my students, we have a lot of checklists of like day before.

Like this is everything that you should be doing. This is everything that you should pack in your pack. And then it's like when you're out there that morning, like what are the things that you need to make sure that you do? You know, and then what are you going to do leading up to the shot? Like you see an animal. Then what do you do? You know, like. And it's it's so interesting.

once you get those kind of like operations in people's heads and they actually go through it a few times, it actually becomes kind of second nature. Yeah, it's a quick way to make something routine, even if you don't have experience with it. Yeah. That's important to do. You know, it's like visualization and fighting or anything of that nature where like, oh, this thing is going to be, I'm going to be in a high stress environment and thinking might go out the window. So I should practice this ahead of time.

I should see myself in this situation and consider what is all the things that we're going to be. Totally. Everything that I might be up against there. Well, and I think the last podcast was before I had my Elkhunt because that, yeah, I think it was before that. And I don't think I told the story, but I have my students actually visualize their shot the night before. Like I have them right out. And I think you and I did that. it's a little more formal now like I have a workbook that that I give people and and so I was there with my two students I can have three students one student didn't show up I had a tag in my pocket I was like well I'm going to do it too like let's you know like I why not so I write this out I'm sure I have it in my phone I write it out not thinking that because I always put my students first like I very rarely hunt with them

Um, because for me, it's about their experience, but I'm like, if there's an opportunity and they both get one, like, maybe. So we're out there that morning. We see like the giant herd. We see four elk, um, off by themselves, four cow elk off by themselves. Um, you know, make a stock in. First student gets one. Second student gets one. They're down, you know, like if either of them had not put a good shot up. it or whatever like it would have been that would have been like time out we're going to go track this animal you know that that's kind of how we do things um and i was like i think i i think i have an opportunity to get one so i sprint up the hill uh one of the guys that works with me one of my guides is like he's right just on the other side we can either you know you can either stand up and take a standing shot from shooting

or we can crawl up to that rock. You can crawl up to that rock and you should be like 80 yards from it. And I was like, cool. And so I just crawl up to the rock, set my rifle on the rock, see it clearly through the scope, elk looks at me, I look at it, pull the trigger, and we're done. And I'm sitting there with Sam and I'm like, that was surreal because, I mean, it happened. We had three elk in 10 minutes, less than 10 minutes. I've never had that happen.

It'll probably never happen again. You know, like, I don't know. It's very unlikely. And as I'm standing there, I'm like, I think I wrote exactly what happened. And so I pull out my phone and I was like, let me read this to you, Sam. And so I read it to him. And he's like, great dude, but a hunting guide, like, not woo-woo, particularly at all or whatever. And I read it to him.

he's like, dude, I just got chills. Like, that's exactly what happened. And I was like, yeah. And so I'm not saying I made that happen because I didn't think about it at all when it was happening. But I think having that like mental groove of already going through it in my head created some sort of energetic something that allowed that to happen in the best way possible. And that's wild to me.

I mean, that's how Dispenza would teach, you know, manifestation. That's exactly what he's, that's exactly what he's teaching. And if you write that with enough belief in it and you feel it, you feel all the feels, that's another thing to think about too when it comes to high stress environments, whether that's competing in jiu-jitsu, fighting, hunting, is that it's emotional. And that's what takes it away from just a mental exercise. Like, it's a felt experience that has a lot of weight to it.

Yeah. And feeling into all those feels is a part of that. That's a part of the manifestation process, as Despenza says as well. It's a very important part of the manifestation process. But I think that makes sense. Yeah. It really makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah.

And, you know, so something else, and actually you're a great person to talk to about this, about, is. So yesterday, I noticed, like, one of my students, like, his adrenaline was just, like, through the roof afterwards. And I was like, oh, this is interesting. I'm like, I don't really get that. Like, after I take a shot, I feel like everything's just kind of like status quo. But I do, like, there are things that do that to me.

You know, like, if I see a snake or whatever, it's like, and immediately, like, through the roof, heights do that to me. but like high stress situations don't. And so we were kind of talking about it yesterday a little bit. And I was like, yeah, even there was a, we were up having a picnic with my family. This woman starts screaming, help, help. And we're right by this like rushing river. Her kid like jumped in the river, was drowning.

And I just like, threw my phone, ran down to the river, pulled this kid out of the river, and like nothing afterwards. I wasn't like, holy shit. I was just like, oh, okay. And so what the fuck is that, Kyle? I don't know. That's dope. It's funny.

It's fucking weird. And I never, I've never thought about it before because I don't do high stress things necessarily. Or maybe I do. I mean, you know, I get in a cold plunge every day. I sit in sweat lodges like, and maybe, yeah, I don't know. It's an interesting thing. Well, there is something to that, you know, though, with the cold and hot in the cold. because if it's cold enough, there's a part of your body that knows stay in here long enough

and you're dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a survival mechanism that's saying any longer and I could die. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your biology's not saying you've got a hot shower to go to right after this or, you know, whatever, you know, that kind of thing. But when you can calm yourself in a cold bath or when you can stay calm or even just edge yourself further through a sweat, like you are training that to be more capable. in any life situation. You get pulled, you know,

somebody pulls in front of you and drinks in front of you in a car or something like that. Those temperature, you know, ability to stay calm in the eye of the hurricane and temperature situation is something that will transfer

to other things. So that can't be taken lightly. But I also feel that there's something, there's something more to it because it's not that you don't experience those things. You experience it with snakes and heights and things like that. I don't experience it with snakes.

I'm like, cool, man. You know, like, yeah. Like, I mean, I was nervous. I obviously have told the story to you before. for and on this podcast about having the cotton mouth lay its head on my knee. Yeah. I looked at the fucking thing like, and I'm meditating when it happens with my eyes

probably open. I look left, no sound, just see it swimming towards me. And I'm like, I'm too close to get out of the water without this thing getting me from behind. Yeah. And I'm already meditating.

And then I was just like, well, what's the fucking worst thing happened? And it bites me. And like once I came to terms like, oh, if it bites me, it bites me.

Yeah. Then I was just even keel. Like it was no big deal. And after it was like, giddy, I was like, dude, this fucking cotton mouth just breast.

Just pressed it and I can't say it was the coolest shit ever and I'm dead sober. I told the kids and they're panicked the fuck out of their minds. Like, oh my God, there's a snake here, run. But yeah, there's other there's other situations too where, you know, you get the spike. And it's like, I'm fucking shaking every limb of my body trying to fucking move it through me. You know, like, oh, go, get out of here. Come on. Yeah.

You know, like all, anything I can just to dump the energy back down. The other thing that it made me realize, too, is that. it's like a little bit of a blind spot for me with my students. Because I think it's pretty common. It's hard to relate to. Yeah, it's hard to relate to. And I'm like looking at him like not. And he wasn't like freaking out or anything, but he was like, you know, he was like trying to shake it off and like, you know, he's like I got up.

But like I'm going to walk back to the house. You know, like I'm not going to get in the gate. You know, I'm not going to get in the gator. And I was like, oh, wow. This is like, you know, this is like, death. on three for you. And so I think that there's an opportunity there for me as a coach and a guide and a teacher to be able to translate like my experience and help people get to that place that I can get

to through other things leading up to the hunt. You know what I mean? Because so for, you know, my typical schools, we go through an online course where we meet every month and I have kind of assignments for them. And I wonder if some of those, you know, and some of it's like you need to get out and hike in your boots. You need to, you know, do some rocking. You need to do, you know, like some of those sorts of things.

But I wonder if on the mental side, you know, if there's something that can translate, you know, to those kind of difficult situations where, and it's not bad. It's a normal reaction, right? unless, you know, it's leading up to it. You take the shot. It's not a good shot. You can't take another shot because you're so elevated. You can't even, you know, you're just scrambled.

So, yeah, it was just, it was kind of an interesting observation of like, oh, here's another, like, place where, you know, we can do more work. There's a guy I had on the podcast, and I remember requesting this from his team. I don't know if he emailed it to me because I have never. check emails. I do now. I do now since losing an assistant. I forget, man, I think he worked for Stanford or Harvard, but he had developed a meditation. He does guided meditations as well, but like he's been basically studying hypnosis and guided limitations. And for, you know, everything. And, you know, the science has been been pretty conclusive on this. Like, there's certain forms of hypnosis that are great for smoking cessation, really good for alcohol, dependency.

at getting people to quit. But also for visualization and things that you have an upcoming, you know, really stressful environment you're going to be in and you want to perform well. A lot of fighters are into this right now. You know, they've got their mixtape that a guy records for them. They send them the MP3, put it on their phone, and every day they'll meditate to that.

You know, close their eyes, do some breathwork. And they'll hear that some of them are cheesy. Some of them are fucking great. Yeah. But this guy ahead on, he was going to make me one for hunting. Oh, interesting. You know, just to like you see the shot. you do your breath, you exhale fully, you've making your eye contact stays perfectly.

Oh, I love that. The crosshairs move less and less until they're fixed in the exact position you want to be. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, that's cool. That would be something I think could be really beneficial. But, you know, what I'd love in large part about what you do, first of all, you're very good at it. So I just want to say that. Thank you.

That's an important piece of this, right? I appreciate that. I appreciate that. But secondly, you've really taken a lot on the up, on the front side of this and backside of this in a way that a lot of other people don't. And there's other schools and things of that nature. But like, to your point on, on, this is a, it's a big deal. It should be a big deal. It should be a big deal to hunt something.

It should be a big deal to, you know, to have a firearm like that in your hands. I think about like Sultara, you know, like Sultara has a onboarding, you know, where they take in your patient. questionnaire, you know, all the things that you're into, any supplements or medications you take, are there any contradications? You have an hour-long call on your intention, all these things. And then afterwards, they give you a workbook on how to integrate. Yeah. You know, because Soltara is one of my favorite ayahuasca retreat centers in Costa Rica and Peru. That's a big fucking deal. Right? And like, and, and it's up to the people to actually go through those steps and actually follow, you know, the manual. And if you're already good at integrating,

you may not need that. But to me, that handles so much of the before and after, which really is such an important piece. And I liken that to things like hunting as well. The before and after is such an important piece. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we have a workbook that we give everyone after. It's called The Hunt Within.

And it's something that I created independently, but using a lot of what I've learned from Godsey, you know, from Young Ian Dream interpretation. Because him and I had a great conversation about a vision that I had and a breathwork. And I was like, oh, this actually applies to a lot of things. And so with that, we get to see how that particular hunt or that particular experience, right, can be integrated. And I say it over and over again, and I always credit you for it. But, you know, integration is habit change. Like how do we, you know, I remember you saying that. I don't remember where it was or what we were doing.

but I was like, that is exactly it. You know, I think it's like this woo-woo word that people don't really, can't really put their finger on. Depends how you say it. They're like, it's a grade. Totally.

Turn and run. Totally, yeah. But I think, and so we give them this workbook, and if they actually go through it and do the steps of it, they can see how they can either take the success that they had in that hunt

and build on it the next time. Like, what were the things that they did physically, mentally, maybe even spiritually, you know, emotionally, like all the things and integrated into that next hunt to be successful again, right? Because that's what people are chasing. They're chasing, you know, that kind of success or, you know, being able to harvest an animal in a good way. Or, you know, if they weren't, like, what were the things that were kind of behind that, you know? And, you know, I have a, I have a couple of great examples.

One was a woman who came out on a hunt, and she was a very experienced hunter. And she rushed several shots, you know, and she had three opportunities and missed every time. And which is hard as a teacher, right, to watch because you know kind of the anguish that it brings up for people. Unfortunately, they were clean misses. And so I could tell she was really down on herself. And it was, you know, like last light, last night that she took, you know, kind of her, one of her last shots. And we came back.

Another guy had harvested an animal, but we all came back and did our kind of, we circled up at the end and we went through that workbook. And, you know, I was like, you don't have to share anything with us. And I'm like, but we're going through this. And so we went, we kind of went through it. And at the end, I was like, if anybody wants to share anything, and she's like, my dad is in my ear saying, take the shot, take the shot, take the shot, take the shot, take the shot. And I was like, you may not have harvested an animal, right?

But it feels like you got something out of this, you know, that's deeper than that. And that you can move forward with. And the other side of it is, you know, a guy who came out, 60 plus years old. Hadn't hunted since he was a kid, really successful, you know, as a lawyer in California, and then moved to Wyoming, really wanted to be back on the land and hunt and kind of sought me out on the internet. And afterwards, I was like, what, what's the, after we went through the process of that

integration, like, what's the biggest thing? And he's like, I thought I was a provider because I made all this money. And I could provide basically anything for my family. And he's like, but now I really feel like one. Because I know if shit goes down, like, I can go harvest an animal. I can clean it and I can provide for my kid. I'm like, what? You know?

So those are like, that's the reason why I do this. Because it takes people to a deeper level of understanding about their food, themselves, and the land. You know, and that's really my, it feels like my mission, you know, whatever that, you know, however that manifests is helping people, you know, kind of connect to that relationship that they have back to themselves, you know, which I think includes the food and land and people and all that. Yeah.

Yeah. It's such a big, the diet piece to me. That's something that that really struck a chord when I was out with the guys, the force of nature guys at Rome Ranch a couple years back, was seeing, you know, I was talking to Taylor and, and, It's like, who all comes to this event? You know, and they had me as a guest speaker on one of the panels and Daniel Firth, Griffith, you know who you met, who's taught us so much on regenerative. This is a place that where they harvest bison, is that right?

Yeah, so can you explain a little bit? So Rome Ranch is in Fredericksburg, about 90 minutes west of Austin. Okay. And they've got 1,500 acres, all regenerative agriculture. They've got a herd of bison out there that they've grown. It's like their HQ. Okay. And then Force of Nature is the brand that you see sold.

in stores, right? Of course of nature is, you know, the, it's not just the Rome Ranch guys. It's every, you know, regenerative rancher that's working in the, in the Allensavory method in the way that they are taught, you know, so that could be regenerative cow, regenerative bison, but all that, you know, that's their kind of little umbrella house. Cool. And so every couple of years, they put on an event. And I think the last one was called, what good shall I do?

But, you know, the long of it is, I'm like, hey, who's here? Like, this is, it looks like I, I've got to see some farmers. I've seen doctor and people from paleo effects and shit, you know, that I used to speak with on stage on health. Like it's probably a third just people that are into health and wellness that are really curious. It's probably a third of, you know, farmers that are looking to change things up and maybe don't know how, but they're curious and they're seeing like, does this work at scale and what are the ways in which I can implement it.

And then a third are health and wellness folks. And I was like, that makes sense to me. Because at the end of the road, if you follow the health rabbit hole and you're like, they're doing this, they're doing that. You get mad at the government all you want, but at the end of the day, who's making food best is always going to be what's best for us. And so whether you have a farm or not, I mean, it's something I used to hear Paul Checks say a lot of was like, get to know your farmers, get to know where your food comes

from. And I'd be like, oh, that just, I'm not driving 30 minutes out of town to go to some farm. It's like such a hassle. And but there was a series of events that I had done, the more. I got into it and understood that to be the truth where we would drive, you know, 90 minutes to Fredericksburg. And my son was four when he sat on my lap for the first bison harvest. Yeah.

I brought him back a year later. They did a bison bowl, which was wild because Tim Kennedy actually took the shot. It was barren his good buddy's soul, my nephew. And again, they're sitting on my lap. The bull goes down. And the next three bowls in line came through and they just murk. they go to fucking town on this dead bull, just raking it with the horn stomping it.

It was like NWO in WCW days. Just going to town on this thing while it's on the ground. Don't even let him finish shaking, right? And then the next one that's in line, basically, you know, he goes first, he looks around any challengers kind of thing. Yeah. Let's go the biggest roar I've ever heard. And then, you know, when he's had his fill of beating it up,

he leaves. And then the next guy comes in, like, just to show you the pecking order. Wow. It was wild, dude. Yeah. When it was a female who we were there to harvest, we got to walk right up to her and hold her and put tobacco on the land. And it was like the most gentle, beautiful thing for having not shot myself.

You know, but I got the field dress, friggin bison, which was insane, dude. It was such a huge animal. You know, and bear was interested in it, you know. But that connection point, I think from an early age is such an important piece because we're so divorced from now. They talk about that in food ink. I mean, if people haven't seen Food Inc, it's an oldy but a goodie. It's probably 20 years old. There's young Joel Salatin's in it.

He's young at the time. He's in the 30s. But it's such a good movie. And it really talks about that. It also talks about how you vote with your dollar. Yeah. Right? Like, honey is expensive, but like you're voting with your dollar.

Agreed. To say, I'm capable. And if I'm not capable, I'm going to learn to become capable. Yeah. And in that, I'm going to take part in procuring my own food for myself, for my family, for a little kid that's on the way. whatever that looks like. Totally.

Like it is the ultimate. And it's something that you think about like the divorce, you can't romanticize the past, but you can say, well, what worked in the past that we should be doing today? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Can we carry the ancestral wisdom forward?

Yeah. And then let the miracle, modern science and technology fill in the gaps. You know, like, but there's a, when you think about how disconnected we are from nature and our nature and our history, that's like the first place to start.

Oh, yeah. You know? Yeah. First place to start. Yeah. And I mean, I guess, you know, the shout out that I will say is that, you know, this all came from, like, I had already had my school. And then I did the accelerator. And I came up with this ancestral table workshop that I did.

What's the accelerator? It was through Fit for Service. It was like the last hurrah of Fit for Service. Okay. That's right. That's right. Clayton and Eric did. That's right. And so I was trying to come up with a workshop.

that was accessible to people to, like, ways to connect with their food that were fairly easy, you know? And so some of the examples that I used were, you know, from my own life. Like my daughter and I went on a walk one day and I was like, choke cherries are out. I'm like, let's come back with gallon bags, you know? And so we got to harvest a bunch of choke cherries, you know, that were, I mean, they were just crazy prolific last year because the amount of rain we had in Colorado. And so we, not only did we get to do that together,

but we actually got to process them together and then share it with her friends, you know, and our family and like those little things, like no matter where you live in the United States, there are those things. You know, like we have wild plums in Colorado. We have, like there's so many things that you can just, if you know what you're looking for,

you can find. And so we had one of the guys that came out. He brought a friend with him. And he was harvesting a bunch of the puff balls here. Oh, cool. So he, you know, and totally completely unbeknownst to me, you know, I was just like, and we got back and he like just pulls out like a pocket. And he's like, I'm going to, I'm going to cook these up. He's like, I'm, you know, an amateur mycologist, but like I'm confident. Like there's only one other thing. Let me give us some scores. And this is what I, you know, this is what I did to make sure it wasn't the thing that it could be. that could kill you, you know, whatever. And so we ended up, you know, having having puff balls with our dinner that night.

And I think those little things and recognizing it and not just taking it for granted, but being like, this is an offering to us, right? Being, you know, reverent, it doesn't need to be over the top, but just like a thank you, you know? And then moving on, I think it creates this relationship. And I'm sure, you know, you've had. this experience where it's like if it's an animal that I harvested or if it's food that I put seeds in the ground and and harvested it it hits different when I eat it you know there's

something very satisfying and like even you know I had uh you know several meals this last year that were all like within a you know that I touched the food you know and I'm like oh this is pretty cool, you know, that I got to do this. And I think it's like you said, like getting out and knowing like what's available and what like turns your crank, you know, if there's something that you really like, you know, we're really to peaches. My mother-in-law is like the queen of canning, you know, Mormon family. She raised seven children. So it was really, it was really driven by economics. And they would drive to the West. slope of Colorado where tons of peaches are grown.

And my wife remembers this. Like they would drive there in the old Ford pickup truck, you know, with the multi-colored green stripe on the side. And they would fill up the bed with boxes of peaches. And they would come home. And it's the reason my wife never wants to can anything ever again because it would be, you know, child slavery essentially. Like, we're going to be canned in peaches for the next three days.

And they would fill their condo. cupboard for the year, you know, with peaches. And so we got to do that this year. And it was really fun. We didn't do a pickup truck full. We got, you know, whatever, I don't know, four boxes or something. And it was like a fun afternoon that I got to be with my mother-in-law and she got to tell the stories about her mom and then her grandmother teaching her, you know, how to do it. And it's the same exact process. That's so cool. And we're probably using the same exact. exact jars, you know, that they used, which is, I don't know, there's something really that gets me really excited about those sorts of things, you know, that I think, you know,

maybe it's not for everybody, but those sorts of things really kind of get me going. They do. For me, especially, I think for parents, right? You think, and also, you know, we, I'm on a talk Vision Quest and stuff like that with you, too, since we've got the next one coming up here in November. And there's so much that you've done in working with Indigenous, and learning, you know, and living the experience, right? Whether it would be Sundance, Vision Quest, whatever. But thinking about things seven-generational, it was always something that was like, I get it on paper, you know, but it was like hard to actually try to grasp.

Sure. Like, I can think to my grandkids, maybe I try to imagine my great-grandkids, but seven generations is pretty tough. But I think when you have, and I love listening to stories, you know, my dad talks about his great-grandparents where I was sliver and met, his grandparents, who I did get to meet when I was super young and have a couple memories with. But like who influenced them? What were the teachings like? You know, what was on? I mean, who this was at a time when people listen to the radio fervently. There was no other option. And every word that was stated was believed

as fact. Yeah, yeah. Right. Like, think about that. Like my distrust for media now. It's just like, yeah, who told you that? You know? Yeah. What Walter Cronkai said, we believe. It's fucking, yeah. And what the government said, we believe. And so, anywho, though, getting a participate in something like that that's handed down generation to generation. Yeah. Because it still works. You know, it works then and it works now. And there is good reason for it.

I think there's good reason for knowing how to do these things. It makes it more real, the seven generations. Like it connects you in a way that's a visceral way of connecting the seven generations rather than just like an idea behind it, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I think if we don't continue to do those things, they will go by the wayside, you know? And I think now maybe more than ever, it feels like people want to have real life experiences.

Like we've, yes, we've gone online and I don't like hate the internet or anything. I think it's really super useful. And I think we've kind of gone all the way to this extreme, you know, with AI and everything that kind of goes into that as well. and I think it's going to be useful, right? Like, I'm not like, oh, it's the devil. But I think it's understanding that there's a balance, you know, between that and like, how can we use it as a tool, just like we use a rifle as a tool, you know? And I think that that's the place where, you know, it kind of, like, everything kind of intersects, you know?

And so I think the experiences that we're having out here, the ceremonies, you know, that we do. and we talk about that, you know, in our ceremonies. We talk about like, this is for the, you know, this is for seven generations. Like, if we don't do this, it may not be around. And it's actually, and maybe we talked about this the last time, maybe we didn't. But the reason why we have people do four years of a vision quest is a modern invention. Like those four years were never around until the 70s. And the reason why was because they almost lost those traditions completely.

And so they had people commit to four days. This is what I was told. I may be wrong, right? But it makes sense to me. The reason why they did that in those early days when they started to bring ceremony back because it was outlawed was they wanted it to continue and to perpetuate. And so their thought was like, oh, if you come for four years, you're going to bring somebody with you, probably the second year or the third.

third year, they're going to go for four years. And it's just going to keep perpetuating. And so it's kind of a funny thing. And I want to come back to your comment about Sultara and their integration packet because I actually had like a very small part to play in that. Oh, cool. Which was I had somebody call me that was working on that. And they were like, can you tell me about the integration that you do as a community? when you do your Sundance. And I was like, we don't really, we don't have integration. But then I started to talk about it.

And I was like, oh, we actually do. It just looks very different, you know? So when we get done with our Sundance, there's no like you sit down with somebody and you go through what happened. We all go to the hot springs. And we talk. And we process the things that happen. We talk about, you know, and then we share meals together. you know, for the next day, then the day after that, we're taking down all the tepees.

We're resetting, you know, the space. We're taking down the tree. And so it happens naturally in our process, you know, and it's the same thing with our vision quest. Like one of the reasons why we don't, we prefer that people don't just like come in, do their vision quest and leave is because you don't get to be a part of the community as a whole, you know. And so like even like when we had our dinner here, like our feast after after your guys is, like there's there is that feeling of integration of being able to talk about and make real and

connect with other people who have like similar experiences or maybe we're on the outside or whatever. And then getting to see that through the generations and watching kids do that without even realizing it. So, and I'll just, I'll stop in a second here. So my daughter texts me yesterday. She's like, so her and I have this connection with Ravens. Like, I'm like sending her pictures of Ravens all the time, whatever. She's like, dude, the craziest thing happened with my friend who was climbing today.

And so she's like, I need to get on the call, a phone call with you to talk about this. And so that was her way of being like, I need to integrate this to like try to understand. I know you're not going to tell me the meaning behind it. But I understand that this is important to recognize and I want to talk through it with somebody. And so for me, I'm like, oh, we're winning, you know, because and it's not that she doesn't call, you know, or that we don't get on phone calls, but it's not all that often, you know, she's 18. She's got her life.

And so it's cool to see how that really does translate if you do the work, you know. All right, guys, one more quick break to tell you about the kingdom within. my new digital community that I've been working on for close to a year and a half, pretty much since the end of fit for service. This is something I've been working on and really trying to hone. What is it that I want to teach? Who do I want to bring to me and what type of community do I want to build? Obviously, health is one of the cornerstones in anything, in my opinion.

It is the foundation of which all things are built on. But we're going to talk body. We're going to talk mind. We're going to talk connection. We get into all of these topics and more and unpack them to the deepest detail. we'll talk psychedelics, altered states of consciousness, how to make communion with great spirit, how to honor those around us,

and how to increase our general sense of well-being? You know, what is it to mean to make the rubber hit the road to where I have a grounded interaction with spirit and now I make positive changes in my life? How do I change my daily habits in an effective way that gives me more sauce and more energy and more joy in the things that I do each day? This is what this community is all about.

how do we access the inner workings of the kingdom within and create the kingdom within that Christ talked about. And again, you don't need to love Jesus or not. That has nothing to do with it. This just, I just like the name. And I want to honor that we can use the dials on the switchboard to change how our internal system operates, how we interface with our reality is 100% dependent upon all these on-off switches that we now have controls to. And that comes through the body. It comes through the mind. It comes through habits. It comes through our understanding of work-life balance.

And it comes through our connection to ourselves, to our loved ones, and everyone we interact with. The Kingdom Within, available now. We're going to launch May. It's $150 a month. We've got monthly webinar calls to deep-dive all these different topics and monthly Q&A. So there's a live touch point every two weeks. It gives people ample time to do their homework, to apply these things, and to come back with the questions for consistent improvement throughout the

year. All right. I hope you can see you guys there. The Kingdom Within on school. And now back to the podcast. That's so rad. Yeah. Have you seen Tosh's a painting of the crow out there? I don't think. I'll show it to you afterwards. I'll check it out. That was one of her mandolas for the, for I think the year before. And I'll show you mine too, which I can't talk about on podcasts because there's some visual things that might offend some people. Just to peak everyone's interest. Yeah, that meal, and, you know, I've obviously, we had a podcast on it already, but, you know, 26 hours without food or water for me, roughly. Yeah. It, it, the meal after felt more, I had more appreciation for that meal than any five-day water fast or four-day fasting, mimicking diet I've ever done.

Yeah. And always in those, there's like deep gratitude, deep reverence. The water, obviously, that's a, you spent fucking 30 minutes talking about water, I'm sure. when we podcasted on the last. But that was part of the reason why I really felt called to do it here was to be around the kids, you know, to have them sweat in with us and sweat out with us. And, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's rad. I just want to say thank you, brother.

Yeah. It's really rad to be able to share that with the kids. Yeah. It's a huge part of it. And I think that it gives kids the opportunity to feel a part of, but also see. like why they do it. It's a, it's weird to me to, and I know a lot of churches do it, right? They have like a kids group and then they have like the adult group.

And I'm like, we're all people. Like we all get to do the same things. And if they're, and I understand like why they do it, you know, from like a logistical standpoint. But I always feel like including kids in things, you know, hunting, harvesting. planting, you know, all the things, it gives them a sense of inclusion, but it also gives them a sense of like, oh, I can, I can do this. You know, like, I can totally do this. And whether they decide to or not is up to them. But if we don't give them the opportunity or show them the way, because I really, I think we can tell our kids all sorts of things,

but how we live is actually what they pay attention to. Like that's like 90% of it, you know. Ben Greedild wrote a small ebook or something years ago, like how to raise super humans. You know, and he was talking about all like the biohacking, you know, Bible for kids kind of thing. I don't think he was talking about, you know, red light in their taint and all that. You know, he brought up the point that kids, kids aren't watching to or listening to hear what you say. They're watching to see what you do. And so working out in front of your kids, being in nature in front of your kids, like if it, if it's a,

a skill or something you embody that you want your kids to embody and take from you, then show them. Correct. Do it with them. You know, like, let them be, like, that's why I have, I'm the dojo. I'm working out in there while the kids are swinging back and forth on the hammock. And sometimes bear will do some of the workout with me and they'll jump back to swinging on the, you know, yoga silks.

And it's like, totally cool. Yep. And they can join me for boxing that, you know, tomorrow morning, a box, kickbox and Saturday mornings as well. and they might join for, well, if he might box for like two rounds. Yeah.

And then she's, okay, that's it, Daddy, I love you. You know, great job, sweetie.

Yeah. You know, but they're always seeing me doing that. Yeah. They're seeing them on practice handstands and do yoga. They're going for little, we do really slow-paced jogs with them too around the farm. And,

um, that's it. You can't just say, you know, like, my favorite coaches, think about that wrestling. My favorite coaches have ever had,

I had a, God, I don't take flack for this. My coach and, football in high school, I couldn't stand. And he was incredibly overweight, always talking shit, said it never amount to nothing. One of those kind of guys. Yeah.

Real players coach. Oh, yeah. My wrestling coach, who was a youth pastor, was all of like five foot three, 120 pounds, ripped. But he would be the guy leading every run. He would be in the front the whole freaking way. He'd be doing all the stadium stairs with us, all the pushups, all the everything. Yeah. You know, and like, and he was a UPS driver.

I'm like, dude, this guy. guy's an animal. I've never seen an adult with this much stamina. But he could ask it of us because he was willing to say yes to him himself. He was doing it every step of the way with us, right? Yeah. And I think that's one of the, I don't want to go down too far down this rabbit hole. But it's one of the things that I see that is challenging for me in like the wellness

and coaching space is. And I realize it's like a lot of my own story is like I've. I have lived this way for 30 plus years. Like since I was 18, I've made all sorts of mistakes. Like, I have not done it perfectly by any means. But trying to translate that to people, it's like there's, there is something that is an attraction about that, you know, of like, oh, you have the experience. but there's also, and it feels equally or maybe even more, more so, is like, if you are a really good marketer, the experience doesn't matter.

Right? You can, you can sell, sell, sell. And so it's fascinating for me to be kind of on the periphery of that and watch that. and the thing that I constantly hear, like, you know, specifically through, you know, my hunting school as well as the breathworks that I lead is that I'm present, you know? And I'm like, I don't know any other way to be. I just, I don't like, and I'm not particularly good at all the other like marketing stuff or whatever. but being in that moment, I feel like I know how to do that.

You know, like I know how to do that. And it's only because the people that led me were like that. Like they don't know any other way. When I sit down with, you know, my mentor, you know, one of my best friends, you know, Tom Cross, if you haven't looked at his artwork, you should. He's completely present with me, you know. And he knows how to cut through the BS, like, immediately.

And it's a, it's a really, really special talent that I, like, continue to aspire to. It's like, how do I, how do I be more present, you know, with these people, with my kids, with my wife, you know, with people just one on one, you know? I love that. Well, that's something that's a useful trait. That's that, that's a desirable trait. Yeah. People are attracted to that because there's, there's less and less of that. You know, we talk to guys like Godsy.

Yeah. And the three second metric on Instagram, did they last longer than three seconds before swiping? I know that's one of the most important stats. Yeah. It's like three fucking seconds. We can't hold people for longer than three seconds. What's going on? You know, how podcasting and long form content, this is long form because it's an hour.

You know, like that helps to expand our ability to pay attention. But there's, it's like people who are really good listeners. There's not a lot of them. No. Right? There's really not. And so when you meet. somebody who could listen really well. It's special. And you might not even be able to know

what it is about them that you're like, I just want to be around that person. I feel good. Yeah. I feel seen. Yeah. Totally. And then later you might be able to piece it together and like, yeah, he's a fucking great listener. She's a great listener. Yeah. Those are qualities that are fewer and fewer. And so, you know, as my daughter will now say, because she hears me say it all the time, the cream rises to the top. Yeah. You macho man. So I think about, I think about that. The cream rises to the top. There's nothing to worry about. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Agreed. Yeah, it's wild to watch your kids integrate the things that you have been showing them over the years. Like, and I think you and I have probably talked about this a little bit, like, even with my daughter, you know, we've had, we had conversations with her. Like, if you eat better and have a better sleep hygiene, you're going to feel better. And that's what we do. You know, like my wife and I, and like, of course, we have late nights. We, you know, like, I love ice cream.

Like, there's, you know, there's all sorts of things. But so I'm not talking about extremes. But I generally know, like, if I have healthy habits, like, my life is going to be better. And to watch, like, I could tell my kids that all day long. But watching them live it now as, like, young adults, I'm like, oh, this is, like, this is winning, in my opinion, you know, that my son is like, oh, yeah, I meal prep for the entire week because I know I don't have time, you know, so I just make sure that I have everything I need is a college athlete and that way I'm not like guessing. And I'm like, sweet. You know, like, my daughter's

like, I don't eat the cafeteria food this day or this day because I know it's going to be crap. This is what I do to make sure that I take care of myself. And she's like, and I'm in bed by whatever, you know, whatever time and make sure that I get, you know, and I'm like, great, you know, like productive, you know, kids that, I mean, they're adults now, I guess, but that I can be proud of, you know, that are like, because they're taking care of themselves, which I think is kind of the ultimate piece of it. Yeah, that is exactly what would give you peace as a parent, for sure. I love looking at, you know, guys like you, my buddy Cal is just a, you know, a hair older.

Yeah. But your kids are further along. Further along. And I think about that, it's like, man, what's that going to be like? Because it's so, you know, your first year of being your first year with your first born is like, am I ever going to fucking sleep again? Yeah, yeah, totally. Like, I was never going to sleep again, you know?

And then all of a sudden they start sleeping well. And you're like, oh, I can breathe and oh, fuck, we can have sex again. And oh, this is better. You know, oh, now we've got another kid coming. Yeah. But, you know, every stage shifts so quickly. And it really does. I mean, like the, what did they say?

The days are long, but the years are. fast. Yeah. Like every day is full. There's no day where I'm like, there's times plenty of days where I'm like, I wish we were just a little bit longer. Yeah. A little bit more to get done each day.

But, you know, I can't imagine what it's going to be like not having them. Yeah. You know, like I really can't. So like hearing these stories and things like that makes me really happy. And it also encourages me to call up, you know, my old man and catch up and catch up with some of my relatives and things of that nature that I haven't talked to in a while. It's just like I had a call with my dad later. today and I love sending them shit. That's one thing I like about the internet. You can send

some great videos that peak people's interest and things like that. The internet's king of creating fucking really cool content. Yeah. Yeah. It's been in this, you know, this past year, so my daughter went to school this year for the first time. And so it's my wife and I at home by ourselves for the first time. And I don't know what most people's experience. is, but we really like spending time with each other. And so it's pretty great. You know, like, obviously we want our kids around. And when they come back, it's like, I'm like, bring all your friends over.

Like, I'll cook for everybody. Like, I don't, yeah, sleep. Like, whatever you want to do. Like, we're, we're down with it. And it's a different, it is a different and very noticeable phase of life, you know, where you start to be. able to focus a little more on yourself because they're not right there. Like they don't technically like they don't need me.

Right. You know. If you've done a good job, yeah. You know, which is kind of the goal. But it's also there, there's like a little, there's definitely a little sadness that goes along with that, you know, of like, oh, we're not losing them, you know, but they are at this point where they get. get to have their life and we get to be kind of observers and like help, you know, where we can.

And we get like the greatest phone, like, in my opinion, you know, the greatest phone calls or texts like, hey, I've got a question about this or, hey, can you, you know, like I still read all my daughter's papers that she writes for college, which I'm like, keep sending them. Like, I'm into it, you know, because I want to know what you're learning. And so it's fascinating to watch that And also to really appreciate like every moment of that, you know. So dope, brother. Yeah, it's really fun.

I love you, brother. It's excellent. I love you too. We'll run it back here after this round two with Vision Quest for me. And yeah, to your point on that, you know, we got Jimmy go first. Me and Gadsie jumped in. I've got a very close friend, Mike Salemi, who's a dear brother. I want to introduce you to who wants in for this year or potentially next.

Okay. So that would be excellent to have him. He's a hell of a guy. Yeah. And I love, you know, I love what we're doing here. Like this land in particular is really special. And it's been great to be here. I've been here in all the seasons now.

And so it's been really neat to be here in spring and watching everything kind of come to life and the green happening. Yes. All the mushrooms and just all the, it's wild to watch, you know, everything kind of come to life. But there's something really special that happens here with that vision quest. And it's not

better. It's just different than what we do in Colorado. But I feel very welcome and like a part of the community. And people like show up for it. And so my suggestion for anybody that is like interested in

doing a vision quest, like we don't charge. There's no like, I just, I've never been charged to do one, so I just don't believe in that. I just, I have a moral obligation, it feels like, to help people along the way. Um, show up. Like, be, be a support person, you know, see what that feels like. Don't do the spiritual tourism thing. Like, I'm not interested in that.

Um, but if it's something that you really feel called to, and it's really, honestly, the thing that differentiates a lot of people, they're not willing to like come and check it out. You know, they're just like, I want to do it. You know, they're not willing to commit to four years. Like, cool. There's other places. There's a lot other places you can go and like do one and done.

And that's great. I've got nothing against that. But the way that we do it, I think is really special, especially here. And so I really appreciate you and the family and everything you've got going on here. I love you lots. I love you, brother. Well, I'll link to your hunting school in the show notes at the top of the page. And that's it, brother.

Thank you. Thanks.