Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #460 Oto Gomes on sovereignty, money, and God

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

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How you doing, brother? Doing good. All right. This is good. This is good. We've known each other for a short while. There is a fantastic group of gentlemen that I'm blessed to be a part of because of the fact that they fucking find awesome people like yourself. You know, and then I just get to hear about.

So I get to learn so much great shit from a friend's group that really has their, you know, their ear on it. So I can't wait to dive into the world of what you are fantastic at. but I would love to talk about, you know, you. What drove you growing up? What was your education like, your family? Where did you grow up? And, you know, where did you start to find yourself, you know, driving towards where you're at now? Yeah, I'm Brazilian.

I was born in Brazil. I came to the U.S. when I was seven years old. And grew up in South Florida as, well, just, I mean, I was going to say as an accountant, but like that I felt like that because I've been working. as an accountant since I was 15, from 15 to 26. I was an accountant, which was a family business. So my dad opened up an accounting office. We started doing that together as a family. I would go to school and then go straight to work, basically, to do this thing. And 2012, I got introduced to blockchain to crypto. And it was the IT department guy. He's the guy that

married my cousin. And so he came in and was like, have you heard about this thing, Bitcoin? And like, what is this? He gave me the 10-page paper on this new thing. And after reading it one time, I was like, this is it. Like, this is our solution. This is the thing that we need to, like, do things differently. Because up until that point, I got really good at knowing how to do it in the public sector, doing it for people that were just filing taxes like everybody else. And this was, like, an alternative solution to transacting, to doing things, you know, peer to peer. But the first thing that opened my eyes up was that documentary zeitgeist came out in like 2007 2008 ben stewart right i think so i think that's right i don't remember let me double check on that i don't want to

get that wrong ben's a buddy so but i know he i know he he had one uh one of these oh yeah zeitgeist man that that first one was mind blowing to me um it just it just showed you know the detail the breakdown of religion the monetary system um it started in a little small introduction basically into who we are to those systems. So that was my first awakening, I guess you can say, like first like red pill. And that's, that's just to be clear, because this is an older film. And I don't think I've seen it in fucking years. Yeah.

Even though I catch up with Ben semi-regular label podcast at least a couple of times a year. Excellent filmmaker. He's done a bunch of cool shit. He's got a ton of stuff on Gaia TV. But it's kind of a kin. Have you seen the documentary Thrive? I've heard of it. I haven't seen it.

Okay. Similarly, they've got like David Ike from like 1990. Yeah, yeah, he's still young. He's old, but he's still young.

And he breaks down kind of like all of finance, you know, from the G. Edward Griffin creature at Jekyll Island to, you know, how, you know, even inflation has a tax on everyone and all this stuff,

but how that money is then used and then where this is all going from a New World Order standpoint. And so like that, that to me was like, damn, um, everything I've read has the money exactly the way these guys describe it. And there's plenty of books on that.

And then I've gotten into stuff like Behold the Pale Horse or just, you know, what else? Battle Him was another fantastic book that lead to more of the, you know, the nefarious side of what they're driving towards. And then, you know, those are kind of spiritual. Battle Him is definitely a spiritual book. Beyond that, though, you know, we started seeing people like Catherine Austin Fitz. who was the lead speaker at her friend Alex X, uh,

confluence. And I've been tracking her for years. You know, she worked, um, for, I think both George H.W. Bush and George W.

Bush, you know, in the cabinet, uh, you know, paying attention to money and really highly intellectual. And she did the documentary Planet lockdown, I think it was called.

Yeah. Right? Where they talk about the open air prison system that it, David, Ike described for 30 years. Right. And so like that, that's the fucking tough pill to swallow.

Right. I mean, simply put, and I followed all those people you said and the books that they've read or they've written. And I've noticed that it went from like, you know, J. Where Edward Griffin with Creature of a Jekyll Island was very practical and like showing the actual practical things that happened to create what we are now experiencing. And then people started to see like the layers of that and like going into the spiritual levels and how everything is really controlled about, it's controlled using our spiritual layers, like our, our conceptual layers. Like our, our conceptual

awareness and conceptual layers rather than like practically what we're doing. And everything that I've read, you know, they say build on the shoulder of giants. So I'm using all this knowledge and trying to boil it down for today's, you know, audience and people that are listening. And I've boiled it down to two main things. It's dependency and identity. So how we identify with ourselves, like how we see ourselves in relationship to these systems will create the reaction of dependency.

So it'll either increase the dependency or it'll decrease it. So, you know, identity of like what your title is or what your licenses or your career, how much money you have in the bank, how many things you have. Like we go, most people have gone after these externalized things and put dependency on them to spiritually feel something. You know, feel connected, feel successful, feel accomplished, whatever it is. So right now we're in a pivotal moment, a huge pivotal moment because the half-life of this type of monetary system that J. Edward Griffin was talking about, we're past that. The half-life, I think, is like 110, 115 years. We're at like 125.

And so we're about to accelerate into hyperinflation. And if you're still stuck in the externalized self-worth, that's what I call it, like looking at something outside of yourself to feel something. then you're going to be dependent and you're going to just be grinding, you know, it's the rat race. You're going to be grinding after that thing, which is a bottomless pit. Like you're never going to fill the void of self-worth with something outside of yourself. So this is like a huge pivotal moment in our reality, our experience that we need to re-internalize self-worth. We need to recreate those identities and start remembering, hey, we're not our name on a piece of paper. We're not our ID, I, ID.

You know, we're not our title, our degree, our careers, or whatever. We're a soul in this body. And then we're this body. And then we're this vehicle here. You know, so the power flows from here. And we've got to remember that. Or else we're going to be kind of going down that rabbit hole. Yeah, I think the first time I started hearing people say, like, this is a spiritual war.

And, you know, the divide and conquerors, the spiritual thing. And to me, it seemed very almost like too, it seemed too generic for me to understand that. But at the end of the day, it is spiritual. And it's not a matter of just divide and conquer, obviously, that's been going on since, you know, since recorded history. And, you know, the bigger things have been built. There's always a certain amount of people, a certain percenters that want to control it, that want to be in charge, that have, You know, Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper is so great because in the opening chapter, he's like, listen, imagine if you made X amount of money and you had done so much, you busted your ass to get this money and to get this wealth. And then you started thinking of like, what are the ways in which I can perpetuate that for my family to come?

What are the ways in which I can ensure that this is lasting? And you would start to think less about how much money you could make and more about how much you could influence society. Right. So you look at the American oligarchs, you look at the Rockefellers, you look at things like that, which is, that's exactly what he was speaking to. It makes a lot more sense than some guy twisting his mustache, you know, behind a screen or something. And so that becomes very tangible to me. The other part where the rubber hit the road for me from a spiritual standpoint is if you look, you know, into society, you know, and I see this. I love gay people.

I've fucking, I've got gay buddies, very close with another. friend of ours Amanda Huey who I absolutely love she's like a sister to me that shit doesn't bother me at all never has growing up in the Bay Area I was just like who cares they want to fucking get married why can't these guys get married who fucking cares but there's also you know the more that acronym extends out the further it becomes you know I would never say this is who I am because of who I fuck or how I fuck or what or any of that stuff right and and I I less you know like you can look at me and tell I'm a male, but it's not like I'm walking around

beating my chest being like, hey, I want everyone to know, I'm a man. I'm a white man. I want to proclaim my sexuality. I'm a heterosexual white man. I made a sticker and a flag and all this shit for it. So don't think I'm anything other than this.

That's just, it's at its core, it is a need, you know, a need not being met. It's not knowing yourself. It's not knowing your connection to the divine. and it happens from modern education. It happens from the divorce where science becomes the new God and the divorce from our spiritual nature.

And a lot of people like myself when I was young, recoiling from what was being forced to me via, you know, religion. Like that's not it, you know, and so that pendulum swings and it's like, well, here's something I can measure and count. And so we can start to say that this stuff's real, right? And let me just put all my eggs in that basket. and I think a lot of our culture in the West,

so many people have put their eggs in that basket that they've forgotten who they are. They've forgotten why we're here and what our connection means. And it can happen from plant medicines. You know, that was certainly the thing that like reconnected me to Mother Earth and reconnected me to my soul.

But there's also fantastic other teachings, you know, and fantastic ways in which you can, like, I've come full circle to now appreciating the teachings of Christ. But also it took like coming to the non-dual understanding via guys like Yoga Nondon, and the Vedanta treaties and just diving in and seeing, you know, what really resonates with me. All that said, like, that's a search that a seeker has to take, right?

And I think so many people are dumbed down to the point of, you know, my existence is really, in large part, based on my success. You know, can I climb a corporate ladder or, fuck, I'm not going anywhere in life. Let me just grind through the week and experience fun on the weekends. The weekends are what I'll live for, right? lover boy everybody's everybody's working for the weekend you know and so like you're out you're trying to have a good time you're drowning yourself in alcohol and whatever fun shit is out for the day and then monday comes and you just you just pull your pants on and go to work and i think there's so many people in that boat that they want to have something to fight for they want to have something

that ignites them right it's funny like when i first started thinking about why are people so upset and it's like oh when you're upset you feel alive you know like there are people out there literally and we've seen this especially during 2020 but even prior to that who are almost looking to be offended right because that ignites them inside and now something matters now i can fight for something now i have a team and that is a complete miss right it completely misses the mark What's up, guys? I want to give you a quick break here to tell you about Brain Supreme. Brain Supreme is by far and away the best microdosing company that has ever been created. True genius behind it, not just because I'm friends with the owner, but also because of the fact that their products work incredibly well. Everything is mailed discreetly. You know, there's a proprietary blend with about 100 milligrams of active mushrooms in there. But they're blended with other really high quality ingredients. So there's the genius, which has fantastic neutropics in it. and lions main mushrooms and other things that really help your brain fire. There's the athlete, which has rodeola and several other fantastic supplements that help

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can to feel like they're a part of something and they believe in something. So you're 100% it right. It's like there is power, I think, in feeling angry and feeling these like negative polarity emotions. There's a lot of power in that. Is it healthy? Probably not, especially long term, but there is. And we, I think, you know, this is a spiritual battle that's happening. Most people have gotten cut off at the neck in the alignment of the logical brain and the heart brain. And so they're in the logic and like, this makes sense. And then they feel the emotion and then they hold on to that emotion because it feels so good because it's different than just the logic. You know, just going back to what you said earlier of like, you know, people often ask me,

who's they? Like, you know, because I say that on Instagram. Who is the day? They're doing this and they're doing this. And they're like, who's they? And I'm like, you're right. Great question. My perspective is, is not, there's no guy behind the screen.

There's no, like, family. I mean, maybe there's families that are involved in this that have been doing this for a while. but we're not dealing with the originals or dealing with like the grandkids descendants. So like they're starting to get affected to by what's happening in reality. So my belief is that it's a mindset.

So you know, you have these families that especially if you create a trust with like a state planning and you have to you build into it certain education before the beneficiaries can become the trustees. You can force you know, you want to get this money? You force them to learn a certain thing.

Yeah, you indoctrinate the kids. they understand like we're going to think like minded in order for you to access all this wealth. Yes. The thing is though that I've also seen that because that happens at that level, I've also seen that with people that are poor, like the same type of mindset, which what I've bolded down to is this. You have public sector, you have private sector.

Public sector, okay, where these entities exist is wartime tactics. So go read the art of war by Sun Tzu. those concepts are built into our markets, into our trading, into the monetary system. A great example of one of those concepts is inflation, you know, to create the circulating supply of currency. So that type of mindset is the guy that comes to you and says, oh, nothing personal, it's just business. Oh, when I hear somebody say that, I'm like, oh, you're in survival mode.

like everybody's at war right now right um because you know that's that that's what's been normalized that's what we learn in school that's what we learned in micro macroeconomics uh you know great is good grade is good or you know it's not capitalism is good in in this type of capitalism so i don't think capitalism capitalism is bad i'm not saying capitalism per se is the bad thing it's this version of it it's how we're interacting with each other and the concepts that were built into it that is creating division, it's creating, you know, the separation in the connection of each other. And I boil it down to also the flow of the energy. So currency, how it flows in the monetary system, in the public sector, is like a pyramid.

So it takes from the many, right, from the base, it goes to the few at the top. What I've been teaching my academy is the private sector capitalism, which is, I like to call toroidism. because then the energy is flowing like a toroidal field flowing back into itself and everybody's on the same level playing field we're not in the hierarchical system like a pyramid um so it's not capitalism that's bad right it's this this type of mindset that's creating that division and yeah i think that the more you do that the more you start to disconnect from self-worth and like that system or at least this type of mindset facilitates that i need this thing that I need this thing that's outside of myself to feel something that's inside that I need inside of me. And if you stay on that, you'll know, it's again, it's a bottomless pit. You're never going to fill the void. You have to find it internally. And everything that I've been teaching and I've been talking about with blockchain,

with creating private sector structuring, you need to re-internalize self-worth. You can't interact with these things without doing that because you won't know how to perform with it. you won't know how to act with it. And then that will cause traps. It won't cause traps, but you'll fall back into the traps of contractual obligation and self-implicate. So, like, you want to go down this path of, like, sovereignty and freedom and really start to create that separation from these systems.

It's a spiritual journey first. You have to start with that internalizing of self-worth and value. Do you find, you know, in your teaching, and now we're going to, I'm sure it was getting to the meat and potatoes of what you do. do and all this stuff, you know, like what our group has been teaching me from afar and also helping me dive into, not just from an investment standpoint, but, you know, holistically, like, looking at like, I think, and I mention this often, but like, Vakov Havel and Power to the powerless. I think that's the name of the books should be right back there. It's up top. Yeah,

Power for the Powerless. Famously went to jail for four years, gets out, becomes Czech, Czech Republic first president. And they were able to avoid a total takeover from the Soviets because they had built parallel systems. And he went to jail for an essay that he wrote. It was basically like breaking down the understanding of what it meant to give in to the machine versus actually holding true to what they know.

And so, you know, they threw him in jail for that. He gets out, gets elected president. And so he wrote this book. He also was a playwright, did a ton of cool ship. And he influenced culture through art, right? Like he knew that was a way to speak to people. The same way I'm obsessed with fiction now because I think fiction really can pull us

into a different story. I just had Brian Costello who wrote the Primordial Code, a fantastic book. He was at a confluence as well, totally in on this shit, you know. But, you know, the point being, if you can build parallel systems that are happening simultaneously,

you avoid this giant need for revolution. It's also another great book, but I'm talking a little bit more about lately is Paul Kingsworth or Kingsnors, against the machine. And this was a guy, British guy from London. He now lives off grid, you know, doing his own plants and everything and food and whatnot in Ireland,

on a farm in Ireland. It's like he's got a buddy who only has an email that you can contact him with. Another buddy that only has a flip phone. You know, they're doing their best, you know, like through Commonwealth knowledge, constitutional law, but also like, how do we actually put this together and live in a way that's sustaining, but also, you know, thriving in all the ways, right?

I remember my sister laughing at me before when I was talking about building this place. And she's like, oh, you know, go off grid and live in the mountains. I never talk to anyone again. And I'm like, no, no human is supposed to live that way. And when you remember our spiritual understanding, you have the remembrance of our interconnectivity with all things. Right. Every indigenous culture understood that when they talk about, you know, the sacred hoop in or the circle of life and the Lion King. Or, you know, ah, oh, you know, it's all my relations, all my relatives, all my relatives is fucking everything.

you're related to all of it. And so pulling ourselves back into that understanding of how we fit into the cosmos and how we fit into Mother Earth's plans and how we fit into the whole of everything, then behavior can start to change and you can start to think differently. But it's 100% dependent upon the interdependence, you know, not dependence, but interdependence and how we work together. You know, and I love the idea of peer to peer. You know, my buddy Tucker Max, he traded us a douchequerque.

dog for one of our rams. We had a really good ram. We were here going to slaughter it, but I was like, he's so good. We should let him, you know, seed someone else's land. And so we just sent a text out to our buddies that are doing, you know, regenerative farming and whatnot. He's like, yeah, man, I got a dog and I can give you some, some meatbirds. It's like, hell, yeah, we got 10 meatbirds and this awesome, we needed an extra dog that could be around our chicken. So she's been the best thing ever. And no one got their fucking greasy hands on it. Nobody said, oh, hey, you know, your ram was worth 800 bucks. And the dog, well, you know, nobody. no tax, no nothing, just in exchange.

And what we thought was the right value, you know? And now we get to live with that. And that's, I'd love that because it wasn't just a one time. It was a one time deal, but I see that dog every day, right? I see my hens protected every day from her, right? And he got, you know, he looks at all of his sheep now that came from that ram, and they are stacked, right? They've got premium genes and awesome meat and all the things.

you know so i think more and more in the parallel system framework that the only way to that is through figuring out how i can lawfully extricate in a way where i can still be here you know in texas in the in the united states of america and not be as affected or affected by statutes and a lot of the bullshit that they're just dreaming up due to emergency rules and things like that and that's what i try to instill in everyone is is um you know first of all, I think the first layer is knowing that there are options. And this is why it starts with a spiritual journey because we've been indoctrinated so heavily by so many different things that most really don't believe that there are more options or other options than what we've been presented

with and fill that limitation. And then that's where a lot of that pressure of obligation comes from, you know, because we don't know that there's more. So I try to help people or guide them into all the awareness of all the options, you know, using blockchain technology, using trust and contract law in the private sector. I call it performing in the negative space of legislation. You know, there's tax avoidance, and then there's tax evasion. Evasion is performing a certain way and then trying to change it on the contract, right, changing it on the tax return. You sit in front of the accountant, they're like, you got $10,000 to pay in taxes, and you're like, can you change that? Can we get less? And they start to be.

creative. And depending on the accountant, it can be really creative, too creative, right, where there can be an audit or maybe not enough. But that's evasion. That's when you start to play with evasion. That's fraud. Avoidance is already performing and structuring within the tax loopholes. So within the negative space, which is essentially like it's the structuring that avoids taxable events, right? So they're not going to outright tell you, this is how you avoid taxable events. they're going to give you the options of different structuring, and then you have to figure out what is and what is in a taxable event based on that performance. So if you do that, then there's no obligation to file in the first place.

So, you know, you said something really cool about bartering, right? Just a dog for a goat, very simple. Or was it chickens? Ram, and some chickens. Yeah, we got some meatbirds from it too. Yeah, meat birds. I love that. I never heard of the said that way.

Meat birds. Meat birds are egg layers. But, you know, that's another layer of bartering. But if you go down one layer deeper, it can be as simple as creating relationship. You know, what I've realized in my own journey and just learn it. I grew up Pentecostal Christian. I read the Bible twice all the way through. And nine years ago or 10 years ago, I left the church and was like, I need to find out

what the truth is. I got divorced. I was six years married before and got divorced. And I was like, I don't know anything. and started to just read everything, reading the Quran, reading, I read the Satanic Bible. Oh, no shit. Yeah, I went through it. I've been curious about that just from like the amount of satanic shit that's happening in the world.

Like, why would somebody worship names that I hadn't heard of growing up? Like they're talking about Bayal and Malik and, you know, the sacrificing stuff with the kids that's been going on. And that's a hard pill to swallow in and of itself. but like what's the point behind that? And I started rabbit hole in that. But I was curious, you know, like that about the... It's the exact... So it's exact inversion of...

It's the bastardization of the Bible. So it's just the exact inversion of what is taught in the Bible or what the stories are in the Bible. It's like a different perspective of reality. Which really, if you really... You see the... You know, I talked about the wartime tactics that are built into the monetary system.

This is the spiritual wartime tactics. that is built into this book that teaches people how to deceive, how to manipulate, like it goes into detail of that stuff. So it's literally like the bastardization of what Jesus taught is written in this thing.

But again, you know, the point is that I just went out and just started to, like, I need to connect my own dots. I need to figure out what's going on in this reality. And, you know, I learned about the law of attraction, you know, the universal laws in this reality. And I realized,

I, you know, again, after my own experience, going through divorce, reading all that stuff, it actually circled me back to Jesus. So actually all the way back around. And I'm like, oh, okay. So what he said, the words he said, that's how to become in this reality. But then I started to connect my dots of like all the things I've learned. And, you know, I often say this analogy or this example of like a huge white room. there's a huge elephant in the middle of the room,

and there's a hundred scientists, and they're all blindfolded, and they're all touching a different part of the elephant trying to figure out what it is. That's what's happening in this reality right now. No one person is going to know, period. So if you really want to try to get a grasp of what's happening, you've got to be able to take in as many perspectives without bias and connect your own dots,

and you've got to start falling into an alignment of what you truly believe in, and not just what other people are talking about or whatever the shiny, bright new thing is. And so in connecting those dots, I was like, okay, law of attraction. I want more currency. How do I attract more currency? And I realize, again, after reading the Bible a few more times now with what Jesus said, I bolded down to two things. Number one, you have to re-internalize self-worth and value.

So you have to know that you are the thing that gives everything meaning. You are the creator in this reality. We have access to things outside of ourselves that we can use to express value, not to extract. If you're going to extract value from the things around you, then you're not acting as a creator. You're acting as a parasite. So that's the first thing is re-internalize self-worth and value so that we can be the expressors, you know, the expression of creation. And number two, create relationships so that.

you can reflect back to others their self-worth and value so that I can show you, now that I have my own back in me, I can show you that you have it in you. And that's it, man. You start doing that over and over and over and over. Your bank accounts, your energy of exchange bank accounts will start to go up, start to go up. And money, I mean, in my experience, money will flow to you, whether you work for it or not at that point. Because people will see the value in the relationship first.

you know, that's creating that initial trust. So, you know, cutting it and running it, running to the mountains and I'm out, like, say la vie, you know, I'm going to do my own thing. That's not human. No one can survive on a lot. Nobody can do that. We need to be in community. We need to connect to each other to create those relationships.

So, you know, whether you believe in blockchain or not, whether you believe in this, like, private sector stuff or not, the one thing, if you can leave any, if you can leave, listening this with anything, it would be start connecting to the local community around you. Your neighbors, start to find the local farmer, you know, we're to get food, we're to get water, whatever. Connect to the people around you and just create the relationships. Don't even go there with the intention like, I need to do this because if it hits the fan, I got to, you know, have this access. No, no, go there to create relationships. And then that's it. And then you just build on those relationships, deepen those relationships.

and then you'll be wealthy without currency. And then all of a sudden things start to shift, the magnetism in you starts to increase, and then you start to actually attract more of the energy of exchange. I love that. That's a beautiful breakdown of practical application of the law of attraction as well as Christ's teachings. I think about that all the time.

There's things that just pop into my mind, given and it's given unto you. And then when you think of a torreuth and a troyal thing like i can push this out and it's going to come all the way back to me and it'll come back you know even greater than when i dish out right uh i think of um i mentioned this on the podcast with brian costill i think but you know alec when he was on the podcast had just interviewed veda austin and all her work with you know taken for the japanese scientists and water and then she started you know programming the water so this is something that's really cool but then

she looked at eggs and so she had the factory farmed egg and then the the the past egg like we have and you know one to one set them in the fridge overnight and saw that the the psycho terrible you know factory farmed egg that had never seen a day of sunlight had improved in its structure and vitality just by being next to that pasture raised egg for the night when they photoed at the next day and they said how far is this stretch and so she put one pastured egg in the center of 12 caged factory eggs and not only did all 12 get better but so did the pasture raised the egg in the middle because it was fine-tuning itself and how it exchanged with all the rest as it was teaching. And I was like, that's the, that's the sweet sauce right there, dude.

That is it. That's scientific proof of what we're doing here. And the fact that, you know, whatever the number, whether it's 144,000 or 1% or 2% of the population, that that can't, that's how that shift is going to take place. Oh, it's happening. I think we're away past that, too, by the way. That's another conversation, too. How many people actually exist in the world? I don't I don't know if they're right you know it's great like on the conversation of mark gobers and stuff like that a close friend of mine uh shirvin who actually tip me off on you know maybe some globe skepticism was was was you know highly skeptical of eight billion people you know it sounds like that that actually seems right but even with that there was some number you know like if you

if you map out the amount of known land every single person out of eight billion could have over an acre to themselves like we would be so spread out even at these numbers at the numbers are actually telling us yes Right? And that's wild to think about. It's when you think of like shortages and, you know, you know, like, what's the name of that guy? Not Maslow. The homie.

God, it sounds like that, though. Malthusian, Thomas Malthus. It's like the Malthusian idea that like, you know, there's going to be a curve, an explosion of production thanks to the Industrial Revolution and, you know, the internal combustion. engine and our gas use. And then these resources, once the population hits, we're going to pass what we can do.

And so that whole mindset of basically Thanos, right? Like you've seen Avengers. Thanos wants to get all six rings, snap his fingers, and wipe away 50% of the population. It's going to be at random, which makes it fair. And the 50% that stick around will now have access to the resources. That comes back from Malthus. And that whole Malthusian idea is nonsense when you understand like how shit works in a teroidal system and that this energy, we're in a spiritual domain that may have some finite

things, but that energy is just changing. That energy is going nowhere. It's not being exhausted. It's just recirculating and coming back in a different way. And that to me is also mind-blowing. Like it leads to a far more abundant realm that we live in than the one we've currently been taught about. But, you know, that Thanos ideology is infectious. And that's where we see the World Economic Forum and a lot of these, you know, they, you know, working. hard to try to create more of that mindset of this is limited. You know, we're all going to run out. And certainly with the way they've constructed our currency, yeah, shit's about to hit the fan.

There's no doubt about that. Like that is going to need to change immediately. And the crossroads we're at is, does this go to planet lockdown or does this go to decentralized, you know, people at least in part being able to live, you know, kind of like Brave New World. They had the savages that lived outside the cities, you know, and still had a, uh, you know, ritual and God practices and different things, you know, but they were considered savages because they weren't in the city living, you know, up to the standard of modern men.

They look like that, right? But the parallel system allows them. I mean, it's because, for me, it's because of movies that I started to create perspectives. I grew up watching shit ton of movies. But I would agree with that second, with that movie where I think it's both. They're going to have both realities existing. Like, they are pushing towards programming. money through blockchain.

Like, in my opinion, blockchain is an inevitable direction that reality is moving towards. The question now is, do you want to be, do you want to be shoved down, and like, do you want something shoved down your throat that you have to use, or do you want to learn it enough to have options, you know, to be able to either create alternatives or know how to break down the alternatives to structure using, you know, utilizing the technology? So I think it's both. And spiritually speaking, so this is a, it actually works off of like Veda Austin's work and a lot of people that I interviewed in the past.

But, you know, our cells are moving at a certain speed. And the speed at which they move is based on density, which I think I believe has to do with like your emotional state, your lifestyle choices, the things you're consuming on your skin, your mouth, whatever. But definitely on the spiritual level. Like how much have you worked on and integrated your darkness, your past trauma so that you're not creating. separation from it, which creates tension, but you're integrating it through acceptance and letting go and be able to move forward. That will determine your level of density, which will, you know, it's based on, on the, yeah, it's based on like the speed of the cells, but like which polarity are you normalizing is going to increase or decrease speed. So my perspective is, yeah, there's going to

be like a, there's a splitting of society right now of people that are like, plug me in, daddy. And then the other ones were like, I'm out. Or at least like, I don't want to be a part of that membership anymore. You know, this club is great, but I don't want to be a part of it. I'm either going to find something different or create my own. And I'm trying to help people create their own, you know, create their own legacy, create their own nation state using contract and trust law and blockchain. So, but spiritually speaking, I even have this thought that I'm like,

if one side is only practicing negative polarity in motions, and energy, and the other side is high polarity and increase in the speed of their cells, can it be almost like we'd be walking amongst these lower density entities and we would be sort of invisible to them? Like, they're not going to be able to even see us. Because I already started noticing a little bit of that when I go into stores or Target or something. Like, not that I'm invisible, but there's almost like it's hard for them to, like, for other

people to interact. like again I'm not trying to speak from like I'm better than I'm or anything like that but it just I'm starting to feel you can say that when you're at Walmart I'm better than everyone at Walmart I see like this like when you can when you can go in front of someone and look them in the eyes and connect and talk about the hard things and deepen you know deep in the conversation immediately like I like I can like I felt like we met each other just five minutes ago 10 minutes ago we gave each other a hug like there was a depth of connection already because out into each other's aura fields and we're like, oh, we're at the, we're the, we're in the right

frequency already. We don't have to adjust, but that's not the case most of the time. You go out in public, you start, you walk up to someone, you know, like, oh, this is, I'm, I'm not, I'm not vibing. Like, this is not working out. So imagine going to a certain level of frequency where it's like almost repelling. Like, we're going to be, there's going to be so much brightness and light and integrity that they want to avoid even, because it's like, ah, That's too much. Yeah. Unless they're drawn to it.

Unless they're open, unless like, and that's why I see, like, if there's a trauma or something that they are becoming aware of and, like, it's too much for them now, then they're going to start looking for something different. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it's not, it's not a rule. I forget, it was Edmund Knighton who had on the podcast and he was speaking about the law of one. And, you know, he said that it's actually, it's not just incorrect.

It's actually bad for us, carmically to try to awaken a sleeping, being because we don't understand the soul's path. Yeah, like that soul has elected to be asleep this go around. And if they want to stay there, that's our job on a soul level to completely allow that and not need to change it, not need to save anybody. But for those that are looking to understand life differently and want to grow in certain ways that there's a natural inclination no matter where they're at to say like, oh, tell me about this. You know, like people listen to this podcast right now and that have been for the last seven years have that draw. People that have, you know, worked with you already had that draw on a sole level or on an intuitive level like hey this is

something that I want to learn about and so it's like you're here for you're listening to this because you went through a journey and it might have been a week ago or it might have been a five years ago that got you to this point to listen to this but yes um I agree I I learned that very quickly in the beginning of 2020 2021 when the lockdowns were happening that's where I met Alec was online talking about all this stuff. Like we were willing to go online and say like, no, don't. This is great. This is not real. Because we realized, you know, I had that energy of like, I'm trying to, I got to convince people. I got to prove to people that this is happening. And that was mistake. Not only was it an energy drain for myself, but nobody wanted to be convinced. Nobody wanted to be proven wrong that what they believed in was

not right. And that's very hard, too, when it's family. gosh, that was probably the hardest journey for me is, and it was only like maybe in the last three years, three, four years that I really, or maybe three years that I really let that go. No, less than that, man. I'm two years, the last two years, I tried over and over, but like, you can't shake them, you can't shake people out of their journey. They are there. They are, you are where you're supposed to be.

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Click the link in the show notes for The Kingdom Within. And now back to the podcast. I love that. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, you know, 2018 through 2024 in fit for service. Like, we, we went through 2020 together, you know, like, we had an event. In October, we did our final event of the year. And, you know, we had 220 people out in, in, in, uh, in a, in a, Arizona. And we're in the back yard of Aubrey's property. And it's fucking gorgeous. It's right behind bare mountain. So you have the largest mountain in, in, in, uh, Sedona right there. We're behind that. Paranghi comes, porongi come, porongi come. Porongi comes to play live music for ecstatic dance for the first time that year. And there was a large percentage of our members who hugged someone for the first time in October that year, right? Like, man, man, you know, just really, you know, like to feel that, but also to know, like,

the weight of that, right? And then, you know, coming out of that, to your point, like, we can only take in the people that want it, you know, that are looking to shift. Let's talk a bit about, you know, some of the practical things. You mentioned trust law and things like that. That's something I've been working with, you know, thanks to my buddy, Dr. Nathan Riley and figuring out a lot of cool things with it. We got connected via investment and how to work with blockchain and, you know, and something that I think is like pretty, pretty new, you know, technology and how it's worked. I'd love for you to talk a bit about that as well. Yeah. So I didn't mention this

the beginning, but I've been in the crypto space for 14 years. This is my 14th year. And that really, you know, like I said earlier, like when I got the Bitcoin white paper, it was like, this is incredible. Like, this is what we need is, especially after watching zeitgeist and seeing how the system actually worked, I was like, this is the alternative. So I had my whole experience with that. And then this new strategy or this new product came along my path last year. It was, I'm going to say, around September of last year. And this is a, it's, it's crypto-friendly, it's blockchain friendly, but it's not, has not really nothing to do with crypto. It's a, it's an old, I mean, it's something that's been around for a while, but they've

restructured the technology itself to where now it's like a brand new product. Like it's something that's never existed before. So, you know, this is called copy X. This is social copy trading. And what you're doing is you're you're it's a it's a trust agreement basically um for this for this type of product that existed in the past but let me let me actually explain what the product is that existed first and then i can explain this cool so the evolution yeah yeah you see the evolution so you go to a brokerage you go to a prop trading firm you can create an account there and then you can start trading through their firm they usually offer amplification or leverage um depending on your account and then you can use their money to trade on the markets and make money off of that way. The problem with that is,

is that they are only using B-Book data. Okay, so there's A-Book, B-book. On those traditional ones, you're using B-book. That means that your money is not actually being used in the markets. The numbers you see on the screen are inside their servers. And so this company, Ameritrade, Scott Trade, E-Trade, they're looking at your orders when they're active. So they can see it. And And what they often, and so if you win money, they pay from their reserves or their fund, the money that they have stored away for this. But it actually doesn't come from the market. They actually do their own trading on the market with your money.

So because they can see your trades, they can play with you. And this is where a lot of the siphoning happens. This is where a lot of the parasitic mindset happens, how to extract or what's the most we can extract from our users. They can front run you with their bots. You know, they can do certain things to make sure that you don't win or that you only win a little bit so that you keep coming back. It's like casino gambling mindset. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah.

So that's B book data. A book is when the brokerage actually uses the money in the markets themselves. That means that they go into other exchanges that are the clearinghouses and actually trade in the markets with that money. And they're pulling the profits from their back into it. be like New York Stock Exchange or S&P 500. Yeah, so you're going straight to the source rather than going through these, you know, these middlemen. Yeah. Middlemen.

Yeah. Because they're using that that, that, that, uh, B book data, you know, that centralized data. Um, so this copy X platform, the social copy trading, they, it's not a vertical relationship like that, right? When you go into these, these Ameritrade, Scott trade, E trade, you're going through a vertical one-to-one relationship with, with copy X, you're just, you're doing a three-party agreement. You come in, so you have the platform on top that's like, think of it like Facebook. They're the facilitators, the brokerage, that offers the leverage. You come in with your money, the follower, right?

On like Facebook, you're like the follower. And then there's the influencer, which is the trader, the provider of the services. So, you know, if you look at it like a trust, you're supposed to be the beneficiary. You're also the grantor. the trustee is the social copy trading platform copy X and then you have the provider which is you can say also like the co-trustee or the protector even that has the strategies to protect your your your your your money in the trading right so you have a trust agreement there so you come in with a thousand bucks the platform amplifies your investment 24x right so instead of just a

you now have $24,000 in weight. And then the third party, that's the provider, they are trading that money, which is the full leverage money on A book directly in the market for gold market. So this specific provider that we are connected to, they only trade gold. They've been doing it for 30 years now, three decades. And they don't plan to change that unless the amount of volume,

like the amount of liquidity gets too. high. So this is such a new technology, this social copy trading thing, that they're the biggest one right now in the world and it's an experiment. It's a type of experiment because it's like, what if it gets too big and there's too much money there and then we won't be able to actually do the trades in everybody benefit? Because there's a sweet spot of how much money you have in that market specifically to making sure that that money evenly gets distributed to everyone that's investing. Okay. We're not there yet. I mean, there's plenty of runway. But then, and then also, stop now. Yeah. And worst case, they just go to the silver market, you know, or they create a separate,

a separate strategy for it. Yeah, split it up. So there are, there are alternatives, but, but that is the experiment. We're in this like new, it's like crypto, like very new type of technology and what they're doing. So, so yeah, it's gold market. A lot of liquidity there, a lot of money and the type of trading they're doing this is where the golden key is is the strategy right so their specific strategy for for this provider is very tight very risk averse very conservative um there's two main types of trading that you can do uh in these four x markets there's high volume trading with fairly i mean it's low liquidity when it comes to the bigger picture but it's like a million dollars or something uh but you can do 30 40 000 trades

trades a day. So then you're focused on five to 10 basis points. You know, there's a hundred basis points in 1%. So they're focused on like five to tens of a 1%. But they're doing that 30,000 times a day. So it adds up, right? And it's usually like a 70-30 win rate. So you get like 30% losses of those, but you're making 70%. That's high volume trading. What we're doing is high liquidity trading with very low volume on how many times we do it. So they have probably right now $12 billion in weight with all the money that's been deposited and amplified. So they're doing, they have $12 billion in weight. So they're doing one to two, maybe three trades a day.

Sometimes only one trade a day and only Monday through Friday, right? Because then the weekend they take off. So you can make a lot of money that way because you have so much weight. So those are the two options. One is a little riskier. The high volume trader is a little risk. riskier than the low volume because you're only doing it once or twice. And it's also very conservative because they're not hedging. So a lot of traders, they hedge overnight to try to make

more money quickly. They don't do that. That's not part of their strategy. They go back to cash and then they just wait for the next next trade. And then they're in and out in 10 to 15 minutes, very quick. So very, very, very consistent, very conservative. And what is the beautiful technology around this? And the only reason why these elite traders are willing to do this is because the copy X platform that provides the amplification, they can't see the active trades. So they can't front run. They can't make any manipulation. We come in as followers. That money starts to follow their trades automatically inside a black box. So there's a black box of data that's connected to their strategy.

And we can only see the trades once they execute. So once it goes all the way through, it finalizes, then we can actually see what the trade was. So that's been, again, this is not financial advice, not legal advice. This is for entertainment, educational purposes only. Disclaimer. But I can tell you right now, and also historical data doesn't, you know,

doesn't guarantee future performance. But historically since November 24, they've had a 87% win rate. So a very high win rate. They've had the largest loss they've had on a singular trade has been 0.86%. So less than 1%. So that's their strategy is very tight. And really since, and they've been averaging. So they're focused on the.

the initial money invested. They promise a percentage based on the initial money invested, which is their target rate per month is 0.5 to 1% a month. That's what they focus on. But because we're all amplified, right, we got 24X going. We're making 15 to 20% a month. We're making a much higher rate because we have that amplification in it. So, and I'll say this too, since October of this last year,

they've tightened up their strategy because they started using AI to take on the data from the charts and just give them more information where they can pivot quickly. The trading itself is still a physical human doing it, still manual, but they have four locations around the world, so they're always active, you know, so they're always looking for a trade throughout the day. So it's just been very consistent, and it's been hitting those targets very easily. Like with the amplification, I think we've been making somewhere between on the conservative side, 10 to 15% a month. But I know this last month, I think it was like 22%.

April. April was much higher. And what I love about this specific platform and product is I was able to meet and talk to the owners or at least one of the owners. There's three. I was able to talk to him directly and ask them direct questions. Like, why did you create this? Like, what's the point here? You're like, you know, we're so used to companies like this just trying to extract as much as possible.

So why did you do it this way? And this kid's, his name is Nick. He's 27 years old, worth $250 million. He's like, I've sold two companies already. I don't need to do this. So I asked, like, why are you doing this? Well, he said, once you've bought everything there is to buy, you need to find something else that's going to fulfill you. And when he said that, man, I thought, like, wow, you know, there are, there's these elites out there that there,

They have all. They have all the money. They bought everything. So what do they want? Well, I guess they want the thing that they didn't get when they were young. Right? Control or, you know, manipulation or whatever it is that they were indoctrinated with growing up. And so meeting this kid, I'm like, oh, you were brought up right.

I want to meet your parents. Like, thank goodness for your parents, because here you are doing this thing that he said was what brought him joy. to bring other people along with him and be able to see that. And he sees value in community. And that's why he built the referral system into it. Because he's like, that's going to be the fastest way to redistribute this to people and have them be a part of it like I am.

So in the percentage split, it's a 70-30 split. 25% of the 30% goes back into the referral system. So you don't have to do that. You don't have to do the referrals. You don't have to do the MLM. You can just focus on the product, to make your 10, 15, 20% a month and be good to go and just compound on that and you're on your way.

But if you want to accelerate that, you want to get there a lot faster, doubling your money and all that, the referral system is beautiful because this is why I love about what he's built. It's very teroidal. Like, I've looked at it from all different angles and doing the math in different ways. And I'm like, wow, this guy really, like 95% of the value that is being generated with this is going right back into the community. And it's just on your willingness to step in and do it.

That's awesome, brother. Well, maybe we can set up a link or something to your, obviously, I want to promote what you're doing, but it'd be really cool for people or listen if they're interested. Put it under you, man. Yeah, awesome. It's your network. It's super awesome. Yeah, it's been wild to me.

I limped in to, I've had some Bitcoin. Bitcoin to me back in the day, you know, I was, I forget that. I think the name was, the book's name was American Gangster. And it was about the guy who invented Silk Road 2.0. Ross. Yeah. Ross Ubrick. Ross Ubrick.

I met, I interviewed his mom. No shit. Yeah, we were still in jail. I was, a man, I was such a fan of that. I loved the book. And, you know, Austin and San Francisco. Like, that's me. Bay Area and Austin.

And so it's cool, like, just the, all of the navigation of the terrain, you know, and everything. And listening to that book and what this guy's life was about. But I loved, I mean, I was buying using Bitcoin and then shuffling it and then sending it off via the Silk Road 2.0 to get psilocybin or LSD back today. You know, it's like, this is fucking genius. It's the first time I actually got, you know, introduced to the idea of, you know, like a libertarian mindset. Yeah, yeah. And obviously that can go too far as the Silk Road, you know, did when it started saying, well, you know, true, true a libertarian is like no, no real rules or boundaries.

so whatever. If the market wants it, then we should deliver. And so you could buy hitman. You could buy, you know, pipe bombs and shit. You could buy real dangerous. Yeah, you could buy technology to steal people's IDs and banking info. Human trafficking was on there. I mean, it was everything. Yeah, there was. So that, that obviously is, there shit can go too far. But man, you know, like he just wanted a place where people got, he was growing psilocybin. Just wanted a place where people could freaking, you know, switch on and get

that without having to worry and look over their backs to see if they were going to go to jail or not. I don't know. I must have had so many Bitcoin just fly through, you know, all for like an ounce of mushrooms. I bet you. Dude, I've gone back to old wallets and just looked at the transactions back there.

I'm like, oh gosh, I spent I spent 30 Bitcoin on the TV or, you know, I don't know. It was all these different things. Because I got in when Bitcoin was still $150 maybe, that's when I first got into it.

It was like $150. But yeah, I mean, you know, there's people that, when Silk Road was around, it was even less than that. Yeah, it was in the pen. It was under a dollar. Yeah, you know, like a dollar or dollar. And then like, you might,

I would go look at your old wallets and see if there's any dust of Bitcoin there. I'm sure it's worth a lot. Even something, like a third of a Bitcoin's worth something. It certainly will be more as the future goes. But that was my introduction there. I never really took it serious because growing up the Silicon Valley, like you hear every fucking startup, every single thing that's going to change

the world, every new idea, every app, all of it. And if you're into that thing, cool. But I mean, I'm a jock football player, trying to go to college football, that kind of stuff. When I lived there again, you know, fighting, I was there to fight. I was there to train an American kickboxing academy. I really was divorced in many ways from the tech world, even though, you know, I'm growing up side by side of it. And so I think like that, that, you know, bitcoins, rise and like what what the potentials are there that that's how i remember it right i remember it as something that i could break the law with this and not get caught and i could and and you know god's law would state that if grows on the fricking earth there's no no reason why i couldn't consume that you know

and as terence mckenna once said you know the constitution isn't worth the hemp it's written on if you can't you know to use the plants to alter your own consciousness and be able to control your own consciousness. But, you know, so much of this is built into it because of how blockchain and because of how Bitcoin, you know, is designed that it is such a primary answer to never-ending inflation, to never-ending, you know, costs going up. I forget the name of the guy. He was on, maybe that book's right over here. No, I forget where I put it somewhere. He was on a coin stories podcast and was just talking about how like, you know, as technology rises and gets more efficient, cost goes down, right? That's how it should be, right? And we see this with TVs and some things,

but not universally because of inflation. But like cost of housing should not peak in 2020, just because people are moving here. Like, shit is so artificially held up, right? Like, it's cheaper to get McDonald's than it is to buy something organic because they're subsidizing all the crap that that cow was eating, that they're, were just shoving down its throat, you know? So much of this is with interference, right? It's not true capitalism. But thinking about all that, the parallel system is going to include things like this,

and it'll be in the face of some other form, right? Anyways, I have no Bitcoin left over. I had some XRP, you know, and the XRP got freaking, you know, nailed on that. I had like 1,300 bucks left. I converted that into Ethereum, and that's what I jumped into. this with. Oh, into the platform. And it's, I'm not two grand.

And it's only been a few months. Like, it just like, whoa, dude. Whoa. And I wanted to start small just to test it out. Like, is this something foreign to me entirely? But seeing it now, like, there's always that, oh, man, I wish I put more in. You know, but it's never too late. Everybody that's gotten in, they need about a month to, like, test it out, see how it is.

And then this is the exact energy. They come back. It was like, what was I doing? I need to put more in it. But yeah, you know, this, this is not crypto. You know, this is Forex. This is gold markets. It's crypto-friendly, which I love, because if we're in the mindset of structuring

in the private and not using their central systems like traditional banks, crypto is away. And so on-bording or on-ramp and off-ramp of that platform can be crypto. I can just go straight into a wallet. But, yeah, it's, you know, again, I think it goes back to that discussion of, like, when you can re-internalize self-worth and value, you can look at these technologies as a way to express that self-worth and value, not to extract from it.

So you're not going to be giving it when you have your value in you. You're not going to be giving it the monetary value, you know, based on the price of it or based on like how many people have joined it, but based on what you can do with it. So like even like, you know, with the rising costs of things, I see I look at like meat or I look at, you know, fruit or whatever. The price that I'm paying for it, if I were to, do this myself, or if I were to go locally and create that extra relationship to find it locally,

how much time am I giving of that? Can I take that time and use these tools to just generate that currency? And then just go buy it where I was going to buy it anyway. So we have these technologies around us. It's all available. It's not the technology that's evil. It's how it's being used. So like even with crypto, with your experience with Silk Road, it was being used as a way to transact But then that platform that he created, it went to the extremes, right? It just got really negative. But I think any new tool is going to be used by evil. That's just a thing.

It's low-hanging fruit. It's like, oh, this is a new thing. It's shining and bright. Everything will get inverted, even if it is, you know, intentions are correct. Yeah. There will be inversion, whether that's archons or greedy people or whatever. It doesn't really matter. Like, it is a fact of the realm we're in.

Yeah. But it's not going to be only. used by those individuals. What I've noticed with technology is that it usually gets used and abused by the evil people first. And then the good people are like, what the heck? This sucks. Like, let's go create something differently.

And then the good stuff starts to come out. I think with blockchain, we've gone through that phase pretty well, right? Like efficiently already in the last 10 years. And when I say evil, I mean that the vast most. majority of projects now today that exists are either outright scams just trying to take out take your money or there are indoctrinated scams which are which i mean by like soft scams it's being developed by developers that didn't work on their relationship to money or try to be creative with the traditional banking concepts you know they took what they learned in school and

they put it on the blockchain and called it new and it's like new tool you know you got old banking system, new banking system or new tool, but they're taking the old soul, the soul of the old system and putting it into the new tool and calling it new. So it's like that's 99% of the projects now that exist are basically that. They're just like filled with the traditional banking concepts. So I would say in the last two years, two, three years in the crypto space, you're now starting to see more very creative process. projects starting to come out, like good stuff, like stuff that's like, oh, okay, I'm looking at the fundamentals of this. I'm looking at the economics of it, the token economics. I can see

that the energy is flowing back into itself. And so I've seen a lot more of that recently. But that's kind of what's happening. When you come into the space, you can get sucked into the shiny, bright new thing, you know, because it's well marketed, because it's at a certain market cap or whatever. And you can get sucked into the same traps. Right when I bought, right when I made a purchase on one of them, Coinbase or something like that for XRP, my socials were flooded with pro XRP shit. Like, hey, bro, you need to buy this now. If you just hold a thousand of these, you know, after 2031, you're going to be stupid rich, you know, multi-millioner kind of thing. And right then, I just felt complete regret.

Like, because I was like, fuck, dude. Like the onslaught, the avalanche that just came through promoting this makes me wish I had never fucking. purchased it because that means I was sucked right in. I mean, I can tell you don't know my perspective on XRB. Yeah. I remember when it came out. It was 2014. 2014, 2015.

That time of the space, like that, that time, that time of the industry was very early still. It was still very fairly early. Like there was only maybe 15 to 20 different cryptos that existed, layer ones. And they were all basically like very copies, copies of, Bitcoin and then some variations of the code, you know, whether it's how many coins they had or how many block or how often a block would be mined out, like little things like that or how fast it was, Doge was, uh, doge was basically Bitcoin, the original Bitcoin, but faster. That's all. That was the only difference. Um, and the number actually, sorry, the amount of, uh, circulating

supply. But, um, when XRP, but nobody was spending money on advertising. Zero. Why? Because it was like grassroots. Like it was developers just like playing with this new technology and creating new ones and launching it on forums. You know, you go to these public talk forums and you had people launching new coins through these forums. And that was the advertising. XRP comes out. They spent probably a million dollars right off the bat to brand and to push out XRP. And I was a part of a small syndicate back then. This is how I made a lot of my money. We kind of, I kind of, I connected with other people on these forums and we created like a 30 person syndicate by maybe 2015, 2016. And we started like helping each other out in doing deep research and getting like

deals done and like bringing people in or like, okay, you're, you're going to be appointed to this one now and you go, you go do the due diligence and then tell us how much we can buy in for. And so we're angel investing just like one after another. I mean, we probably did like 47, 45, 47 different projects in the two years that we were together. So XRP was one of them. It was a huge red flag right off the bat because they're like, oh, this is connected to A16Z, which is Andreas Horowitz, which is BlackRock. Yes.

We're like, oh, so it's an institution. Institutions are in. Great. You know, some people were like, this is amazing. Like, now it's starting to get more, it's going to be more mainstream. Yeah. And others were like, no, get the, get the fuck away. But that was just, you know, that's what we experienced.

experience. Again, fast forward to today, it's changed a lot since it came out. It used to be called Ripple. And then they separated, created the XRPL. Now that you have Ripple Labs, which is the one that is like the nonprofit that oversees the chain. Long story short, there are, if you look at it now today, you know, how it is, there is some centralization in it.

I think it's something like 75 or 80% of the circulating supply of coins is in maybe 10% of wallets of how many wallets exist. So that's a form of centralization. That's no good. There's inflation built into it, which another traditional banking concept in it, which they justify with like reserves and stuff like that. But when you have a human, it's a weak point. It's a human element that can affect the chain. That's a weak point. It's like longevity of that.

That's why people in crypto, there are a lot of Bitcoin maximalists because there is no founding fathers. There's no centralization of the code. There's no centralized human weak point. I mean, the code is the code is the code. It's going to be like that forever, especially now on where we're at with the level of processing power. So all that to say, XRP in the short term, we'll still do very well. Okay, it's an ISO 20,000, 22 coin. It's going to be one of, I don't know, eight different projects that are going to be used in the new,

have you heard of like the QFS, the quantum financial system? No. The new quantum financial. Oh, this is perfect because I wanted to, I wanted to bridge your bridge of the gap into like, not bridge, there's no gap here. I wanted to shift in the last part of the conversation to, you know, where do you think this is going? And also, you know, how will Web 3.0, Web 5.

How will all these things coming on board that are, you know, people in that industry that realized how fucked things are headed to, hey, maybe we should have the ability to still be able to transact online with some form of an ID that's not just your real ID, you know, card kind of thing. And not just tied to a bank account and a social security card, you know, those kind of things. So I'd love to pick your brain on that. Take it, take it wherever you want to go. No, but that's exactly where I was going.

So QFS, if you're in this, like, truth or movement, that's been the new conversation or the thing that most people have been grabbing a hold of. But the new quantum financial system or like, what's it called? Ngarra. Nizara. I forgot the word now. Njarra cigar. It's like there's a thing that people have been saying, Nassara. Nassara?

I can't remember it. But they talk about the QFS. Like we're going to have a new quantum financial system and it's going to be free and it's going to be whatever. If you look at mainstream media, they're talking about these eight to ten projects. They're called the ISO 20,022, which is just like a formal way to create regulation, like on a global level. Like say, hey, these are the type of coins we're looking for. these are the requirements to be a part of the ISO 20,00022, and you just got to build it this way,

and now you're a part of our group, which then you'll be a part, you'll be inside the new monetary system that we're going to build. So they have stuff like XRP in there, chain link, which is a interoperability project. They have Hedera. Again, they have like a list of different projects.

I can't remember right now, but when you're a part of that, you're going to be a part of that. You're going to be a piece of the puzzle of this new system. And in my opinion, that is, that's going to be the guardrails where they're going to start putting in their stable coins. So whether they call it CBDCs or whatever, US whatever, it's going to, that's going to be the guardrails, the engine that's going to facilitate that. Think of XRP is going to be like a bucket of where you can throw value in and then they'll use XRP as a bucket to move the value around. So if it's a stable coin, Bitcoin, whatever it is that they're going to, you're going

to go through those guard rolls. So that's going to be forced down our throats. Like I think that's going to be the path that they're going to take where one day you're going to log into your bank account. It's all going to look the same. You're going to log in. You're going to see the numbers on the screen. But now the engine in the back of the numbers you see is going to be blockchain.

And then you're like, you know, you want to maybe try to remove money from Wells Fargo, $3,000 and they're going to go, 20 questions. Where are you taking it? And you're like, I hate this bank now. I'm going to go somewhere else. And you take that money and you go to Bank of America. Well, it's the same. It's the same guardrails.

It doesn't matter which bank you go to now with that currency that's there. It's going to be blockchain. All right. So we're in that pivotal moment right now where that hasn't happened. or at the very least, there are ways to swap or get rid of that version and go to things that are more in your control, right? So, again, this is why it's so important to, like, really learn this technology, learn the fundamental so that you can know what it is that you're holding when you're storing wealth. And, like, looking at the layers of the technology so that you're not holding their version of it, you know, so that you actually can stay liquid, which to me now liquidity or to stay liquid means, not just cash in the bank, but like how quickly can you move your money around?

You know, how quickly if you need an emergency, if you have an emergency, how fast can you liquidate and go to the emergency? And you've got to know the differences so that you can do that. So that's what I teach in the academy. You know, I teach you how to become your own bank, how to actually set up your own wallet, your own ecosystem, create your own structure. You utilize the technology, not just speculating with it. You know, that's what most people are doing they're going there they're buying the buying low selling high and trying to make money that way and i'm like no there's a there's a there's a there's a slower way to do it uh or to or i'm sorry there's a there's a faster way to slowly build that out generationally and that's by utilizing

the technology that's by actually taking the concepts that are the the products that they built and using the the concepts inside your structure as a bank you know the same services and products that they were doing, we can now do using this technology and do it privately. You know, like I said, using contract and trust law. What does that mean? Build a trust. You know, this is biblical. We're not supposed to own anything.

Okay. I often tell people the difference between legal ownership and possession-based ownership. So legal ownership is when you own something through the public sector. Or an example is you log into your Wells Fargo bank account and are like, this is my money. No, it's not. You don't have possession of it. So you don't, nine-tenths of the law is possession. Second of all, it's in their server.

So you're under their policies. And they're changing policies right now like a frog in boiling water. So try to access that. And you're going to go through hurdles to be able to access that. And then there's possession base. It's like, it's in my hand. Nine-tenth of the law is this. This is mine until, you know, somebody takes it from me.

So that's what I love about crypto. It's a possession-based asset. Even though it's digital, you can actually hold it in your hand with a device, right? And putting the storage of the key into that device, you can hold it in your hand. And that's the device that access to the funds. And doing it privately, you know, or this is where the privacy comes in with the difference, is being able to structure in a way so that we can become the stewards. So when you go to biblical reference on this, we're not supposed to own anything.

So that's why I say it's a spiritual journey initially because there's this like indoctrination like this is mine. You know, how do I build this out? How do I make this bigger? This I need to extract. You know, there's just like innate indoctrination and most of us to do that. But biblically, we're not supposed to own anything. We're supposed to be the stewards.

We're supposed to be the trustees. the administrators. When we die, we can't take this stuff with us. We can't take money with us. We can't take things. What can we take? Relationships. We can take that growth of our spiritual journey by creating these relationships and having

dialogue and learning about this reality. We can take all that with us. So if the things are just supposed to be stewarded, or if we're just supposed to be stewards here, how do we officiate stewardship? Well, you can either just create verse. agreements in the stewardship, or you can officiate it into or express it into form, express it into contract by officiating the trust that you created into a piece of paper. That's what a trust is, a trust organization.

Where people fall short of that is because of the way they officiate the document in our reality. So if you go to like IRS.gov and you find it on the list of trusts, you're officiating under their system. And so it's as if you created the property and then you abandoned it. You said, hey, daddy government, I don't trust myself to be the trustee of this. Can you be the trustee? And I'll just be the one that grants you value and the beneficiary. So every time we create an entity in their system, we're letting go or abandoning the legal title.

the jurisdictional title of that entity to the to the the secretary of state which is essentially is the the reserve bank how i officiate it is by using reporting systems so i don't file anything i report you do a uCC one filing which is for financial reporting or financial statements uh you can also do a certified mail you can do both to get one on top of the other and then now there's a third way you can officiate on the blockchain because all you need uh the maximum of law on officiating contracts is that it needs to be in a public forum and has to have a time and date stamp on it, an official time and date stamp. So blockchain allows that. You can actually upload like PDFs and pictures and stuff to the blockchain and get the time and date stamp of that.

So yeah, you know, again, how to utilize the technology, how to do it privately and how to recreate that identity, you know, and yourself and dependency on the system, systemic things. And that's why I love these strategies that you're in. That's actually one of four that we have right now. So that's just one that's doing the 10, 15%. But that's why I love it so much because now it's giving people the ability to take a breath and like see where they're at in their relationships and identity because most people are on this grind for this medium of exchange. And if we can start to let go of this need to exchange our energy for that,

thing and go like, no, no, there are other ways to create this thing, then we can start to like re-internalize our values system, you know, and who we are. That's fantastic, brother. Before we go, I want to send people your way and to, you know, first just say it and then I'll have one more question, but tell me about, you know, where people can find you in terms of learning and jumping into your academy. Honestly, the best, my front facing thing is my Instagram. That's probably the best bet. It's either my Instagram or my website, but my Instagram, if you you just look for AutoGOMS, OTOGOMES, or my website, it's OTOGOMES. Dot Live.

So Autogumns. Live, that's my website. All the details are there, the different products. And there's also on both, there is a free access. So if you want to join my academy and start watching our Friday lives, I do three lives per week. And the one that's free is the Friday one. It's a two-hour live.

It's like a little show that we bring the community together. We do check-ins, have experts coming in, you know, for, interviews, you can get a lot out of just that. That's awesome, brother. We'll find a question, you know, with regard to the internet itself, like describe, you know, the concepts of like a web 3.0 or whatever, they're going to call that where, you know, there is a push for decentralization and things like that because I don't think a lot of people, well, if you're in it, you understand it, but if you've never heard of it and you're just now being like, hey,

they're policing the internet and misinformation is something that was kind of ceded in a way so they could become the police, you know, of what we're supposed to say. And that fucking directly goes against freedom of speech. But they've now figured out a fucking loophole of ways they can censor us. So I'd love for you to break down where you think this is going in terms of potential positives on the horizon. Yeah. You know, like I said earlier, all technologies, everything that's new is going to be used on the extremes. You're going to have good use it.

You're going to have evil use it. And blockchain is definitely on the extreme of, so it's like either. Total sovereignty or total control? And it works for both. So I do believe that there is going to be a version that's going to be, you know, like credit score, program of money. You know, you can't. They're going to give one day they're going to give you a list of approved locations to spend that money and you have two months to do it or else it expires. You know, it's going to be that.

You've had too much meat this week. So next week you have to just stick to veggies. Here's the ones we recommend. You've been driving too much. Here's your allotted amount for gas. And you're like, what? So I do believe that that will happen. You know, that is a direction that it is moving towards.

And this is like the agenda 2030 thing. It used to be 2021. Now it's 2030. So there is a direction that they're moving towards in that. I do believe, though, on the other, on the total sovereignty side, that we can, again, either create our own or join the, if you do the due diligence of breaking it down, joining the ones that are going to be more in your control, not going to be programmable by a centralized authority.

You know, almost like, it's like walking in a jungle and walking up to a river, if you know how to swim, go for it. Like you can go in the river, you can fish, you can use it, right? It's this thing that's just, what's the code? It's God's code. You know, it's just working. So there are blockchains like that where it's like you're walking up to a river. You've got to learn how to swim.

first of all, right? All these technologies are different. But once you do, you can use it freely. there's not going to be anything blocking you from using it. And there's a whole discussion of like breaking down what the internet is. Like what is the internet? I mean, that's the whole discussion. I'm not going to go there. But once you really internalize that, you can see it that way. You can see that like, oh, we have these physical cables.

All we were missing was the operating system. You know, we don't have to use these gatekeepers anymore. We can use these freely flowing rivers that were created and put out. But I just got to learn how to swim now. So again, I think it is a pivotal point right now. We have to know the differences. It is an inevitable direction that it is moving towards. But I think that if we allow ourselves to be curious, to question, to, you know, be willing to be wrong about the things we do believe in, there's a lot of, there can be a lot of growth with what's happening right now and be able to move into that.

And that's, again, that's what we offer in the academy. That's a phenomenal brother. Yeah, and not to be a duma or anything, but there's a guy named Martin Armstrong. You're familiar with him? Armstrongeconomics.com is his website. He's awesome. He posts great shit.

He's got a really good take on what's happening in the world. Created way back in the day a very, you know, one of the first like algorithmic forms of computation. He called it Socrates. And so he started looking through war cycles, solar cycles, economic cycles. and Socrates became very good at predicting something, some shit hitting the fan. It knew about the 1987 stock market crashed the day when it was going to happen. It knew about 9-11.

Didn't know, you know, that was going to, that 9-11 would be, you know, planes crashing into buildings, air quotes. But, you know, it knew some shit was going down. And one of the things that it's predicted, this guy got thrown in jail illegally for like six years. And, you know, they were holding them because the U.S. government wanted the technology. And he said, listen, I'm happy to run. any question you want for it, but you can't have it, you know. And so they just left him in there. And then, you know, he stuck to his guns.

It's still operated without him because he had set it up that way. And then, you know, finally it goes to a judge and the judge is like, what the fuck he's doing, dude? Let this guy go. So he gets out. And now he's been writing about this stuff and in the world at large. But Socrates predicted that the peak of the U.S. dollar would be 2031. point five to the day the year 2031 and six months on the dot is the last time the u.s dollar is the

world currency obviously it's not going to vanish in a thin air but if something else when something else replaces the u.s. dollar for everybody here in america and everybody that's used the dollar as like the thing that's going to change in it of itself our whole picture of the economy right and it can't predict if it's going to be like a chinese gold bagged you know CBDC or what's going to take its place, but it knows that's the end. And so just that right there is, go ahead. Well, it's already starting to happen. You know, you have heard of Bricks, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. And there's like 22 other nations are part of it. They're starting to, you know, they're not buying government bonds anymore. They're actually

starting to sell it, getting rid of it. And they're starting to trade oil with different currencies, young, the ruble, rubles gold back now. So there's, things have shifted already a lot. And so if that's the date,

that actually makes sense to me, because I would say that that is when it's gone into so much hyperinflate. Because like right now, there is no saving it. All there is is actually accelerate the process. Let's get rid of this thing. ASAP. Actually,

I have a theory that that's why Trump is in power right now. It's not to bring back the U.S. It's not anything that he's selling. It's to just like, let's just, that's destroy this thing. We're going to be the last president. Bren to kill on both ends.

Yeah. So it's like not in the way that most people have looked at it and have created this like facade around the savior. It's like, no, he's like the evil, not the evil savior, but like the darkness that comes of the cleansing. You know, you can look at it that way. I'm not political in any way, but I'm seeing actions. And I just see like what he says to what he does.

And I'm connecting my own dots. But yeah, we're, we're at a point where we have to push this thing to the edge. now what's going to be the reserve currency i don't know i don't know if it will be a a blockchain base so will there be a blockchain base base version of the u.s currency yes will it be the reserve probably not at that point you know when that officially becomes the thing um but again to me it doesn't matter i'm like play your games let me watch this movie i'm over here eating my popcorn with my other assets in place you know my structure i had a military budget but he's a good friend of mine, and he studied a lot of the stuff.

And he's like, I don't know if we see societal, you know, tertiary war. We could see, you know, World War III be something that's on American soil. We could see Civil War 2.0. And obviously there's been big pushes to help create that. But he's certain. He's like that I'm not certain of, but I am certain that we will see economic shifts in a way that are on par with anything else that's happened in the world. Right.

And that's a fucking tough. to swallow, especially coming from a place that hasn't seen war stateside in like 200 years, you know, but that is, right? That's something that if we at least know and it acknowledge it, then we can work ahead of schedule to not be caught off guard by it five years from now, right? I mean, there are, there are, I would say since 2008, we've had probably five to 10 financial nuclear bombs go up. You know, one big thing that has been happening is like major banks just going bankrupt just like closing up.

We had the most recent one a couple years ago was a Silicon Valley Bank. That's right. It was a digital run at the bank and they couldn't take it. So there are things happening in the financial. That's why I was like,

World War III, yeah, it's all financial. Yeah, we're at this financial war. And it'll bleed down to like social disorder and people getting angry in that way. Will it turn to physical civil war? I don't know. We don't know. Yeah.

But I know that it's happening on, you know, on a global level, it's happening in the financial system right now for sure. Well, brother, Otto, it's been fantastic having you. I'll link to everything the show notes. I sure appreciate getting to meet you. And I thank you, brother. You're an excellent human. It's fucking rad to know you and rad that you're, you know, working your magic for humanity.

I appreciate you, man. Thank you for having you. Yeah.