Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #463 Sean Clayton - on God, Yeshua, the Gnostics, and the hidden power within

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

Sean Clayton aka @Abundance10000 (IG) is one of the most inspirational and educational teachers I've come across online. In this episode, the first of many convos, we deep dive Sean's life and path to unlocking some of the best kept secrets in modern religion. IF you want to learn more from Sean follow him here- https://www.instagram.com/abundance10000/ and check out Sean's Miracle Academy here- https://www.themiracleacademy.com/ Sean's famous post on rethinking the meaning of 666 - https://www.instagram.com/p/DYu8OMqpAQR/   Brain Supreme is the best microdosing company on Earth- the Genius and the Athlete are my favorite products but all of them work incredibly well for a variety of purposes. Get 15% off everything in the store by using code "KKP" at checkout.  https://brainsupreme.co/collections/all I just launched my new community The Kingdom Within on Skool- sign up now for a free 7 day trial. This community is for people who are dedicated to learning and making positive changes in their lives. Read here for more... https://www.skool.com/the-kingdom-within-5541/about  

Welcome to today's podcast. We have Sean Clayton. You may know him a little bit better as Abundance 10,000. He's a guy who, you know, I mean, who's going viral online. I mean, what the fuck does that mean, right? He has one of my favorite Instagram accounts, period. That's the way I'll put it. He has a incredibly deep understanding of the true teachings of Christ. You may have seen him in the 666 video completely dismantling what that number actually is. and that went viral, you know, use virality. It's just a phenomenal, phenomenal page to follow. And he has such an awesome story and background.

He was recently on Aubrey Marcus' podcast, and I was like, I got to get him on. Somebody I've been following for a while. Somebody I've learned quite a bit from. He also has a fantastic community called the Miracle Academy, which we'll link to in the show notes. And the dude's just in his Dharma. Like he is in the zone. He has such a wealth of experience with, these things. And there was so many things that I vibed on with him in this podcast. But I really

got to know him. That was awesome for me, you know, personally, just really getting to know somebody. And he really opened up, you know, about his, you know, some of his painful catalysts that led him to where he is today. So I love this podcast. I will gladly have Sean on whenever he wants and promote this. Share it with friends. Simple as that. You know, if you find somebody, you know, somebody that potentially follows Sean or you know you you suspect that they are interested in the messages here just share it with a friend easy peasy also support our sponsors brain supreme remember to use KKP at checkout for 15% off and check out my new community the kingdom within on school sign up now for a free week and without further do my brother Sean Clayton I'm so stoked me too

me too I'm been I've been watching it's funny when I was uh I was telling me was me. He was going to, hey, it was like, Abundance, something. I was like, a 666 guy. And he's like, yeah. And I was like, no shit, dude, that's fucking amazing. And then like two days later or something after he told me that, uh, Adam hit me up. And it's like, I'm meeting this guy, uh, Sean Clayton. And I was like, wait, wait, the abundance 10,000 guy. And he's like, yeah. I was like, that's amazing. So I'm stoked you're out here. Well, look, I would love to get, like, the general archer of my show is to, I want to know what life was like growing up for you, you know, from a religious context, from the things you were interested in,

like anything that, like, drove you and talk about, you know, your transition into everything that you're in now. I know you did very well for yourself and business and had some wins and losses and those things like that. And I just love to see, like, map for us how you got to where you are now and then we'll deep dive, you know, a lot of the stuff that you're putting out right now. Okay, perfect, perfect. So just jump.

Yeah, just jump right in, brother. Awesome. So grew up in Dallas. It's interesting. my growing up, my father was actually married to somebody else when you met my mother. So like I have this whole thing. Every time I go to Denver, where they met because he went to University of Colorado, every time I go there, I go through this freaking portal that I need to like heal something

around the trauma between my mother and my father and my conception, which is like such a crazy thing. But I'll go back to fast forward. And we'll get back to that again. Yeah. So I mean, grew up in Dallas, the first eight years of my life, I'd say, really magical. I was tapped into something. I was like seeing like hieroglyphs, writing crazy things down. My grandfather was like, his name was on the church. So like it was very, very Christian based. You know, saw the white gloves. It was black church. So it was like, you know, fear God, all these

things. And I was so confused about it. I was like, something doesn't seem right about it. But I loved going because I felt the spirit. I just didn't like what they were talking about. So I would like start writing all these things around, you know, after we die, there is no time right so i wrote that down at eight o'clock i mean at eight o'clock at eight years old and my grandmother thought that there was something very wrong with me she was basically like look you are demonic there's something wrong with you and the reason she connected those dots was because right after i was born three days later my aunt died which was you know my dad's sister her daughter and so there's like this really deep connection with her death in my life right you know people think about things so i was like

well i had this kind of like black sheep thing over me um and then at nine years old was when everything broke in my life. So had all these beautiful experiences, didn't really realize what was happening between my mother and my father in those windows of time. There's a bunch of trauma that I ended up seeing. I saw some abuse stuff. I saw, but I was naive. I wanted to think the best. Like I had this really delusional process around like life is always perfect. Life is beautiful. So I had that notion of gratitude always in my head. But that gave me what I would consider is this like wild ignorance of what reality was happening. So my dad had like a whole other family affairs, all these things. It was just wild.

And I had no idea what's happening. My sister knew, and she was younger than me. She was younger than me. She knew what was happening. And I'm like, no, no, no. Everything's perfect, right? And then at nine years old was when reality hit me in the face. So that's when my parents started sending me to California to spend time with my grandmother there, my mom's mom.

My mother's adopted. And then at which point, the other kids that were going there were my cousins, right? My cousins. And then there was a whole thing. that happened with sexual abuse in that doorway for the next four years of my life. Wow. And so that's where in California? This is in Sacramento.

Okay. I'm from Bay Area. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sacramento. So that started happening for four years and I never spoke about it. I was ashamed. I kind of brought up like, hey, there's something wrong happening. Once you look in this at this window of time in these rooms kind of thing to my grandmother never paid attention to it.

It was funny yesterday. It was the first time I see my parents in two and a half years, which was such an energetic pull. but very healing. And we were talking to my mother and she was telling me how her mom never protected her, you know, because she used to get abused a lot

when she was younger. She didn't go into all the detail of it, but she was like something that I would run home from school and she would just open the gate and never mentioned anything or talk anything about it. And so I was like,

oh, well, like I saw that same pattern in me happening because I was not protected either. They didn't even pay attention to it. So this happened for about four years. And that broke all of that connection that I had. So at which point I'm like, okay, well, I don't know who I am. I can't speak about it.

I got really quiet. And it was funny. And then I stopped growing, physically stopped growing. So I was about five foot six. Well, I was about, at that time, I was like four foot 11, right? About 14 years old. It's a really, really short. And then I ended up getting about five foot six when I was about until I was 18 years old.

So now I'm like six two, right? That's wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was just dwarfed because I was never, breaking out of my shell. And so like I completely saw myself a smaller. Just from curiosity, did it all come at once? Because I remember having growth spurts where like I would be crying myself to sleep. My dad would be rubbing like Bengay onto my shins, you know, and I'd grow two inches in a summer. Yeah, yeah. Come back. Did you just get it like.

It was like six inches from 17 and a half to 18, like all in like one year. And I was like, oh, God, that was really lanky and awkward. You had to learn how to run again. Yeah, exactly. No coordination. I was super slow. Yeah, it was weird. But I was really fast and I got really slow. You know, you had to figure your body out again. But then my whole process was because I didn't know who I was anymore.

And I didn't want to connect with myself because when I connected myself, I remembered all this trauma that was happening. I started to go to this process of looking for external affirmation. And that created the addictions in my life that basically led to a lot of great success, but a lot of demise, a lot of the paradox that was breaking in the later versions of my life. So expand on the addiction. part because I've, you know, by, I, since I was three years old, was going to AA meetings with a family member and, and have been around that in many ways.

And myself have been, you know, a total knucklehead, you know, like probably not an alcoholic on paper, but for sure, you know, like drinking too much. And I would just do it on Fridays and Saturday. So it was like, no big deal, you know, all through college and shit, whatever, I get my hands on, street drugs, that kind of stuff. And it always appeared to me like, we're just going to party. Yeah. I never felt like, man, I feel like shit.

I need a, this alcohol is going to get me out of it. It was just like, let's celebrate. Let's go get after it, you know? But like in hindsight, it's like, yeah, there's a lot of undelt with shit. Oh, sure, sure. And I was just drowning, you know. Yeah, yeah, I got a lot on that. But yeah, the addiction was to people pleasing an affirmation.

So success. Yeah, I didn't love myself. So I was like, well, who can affirm me outside of me to tell me who I am? So, you know, from 9 to 14 years old, I'm going through all this trauma, nobody's listening to me. So anytime I'd use my voice and somebody would like, be like, oh, yeah, you got it. whatever that means, I would just keep iterating myself to everybody else's version of good. I didn't know what good was for me, though.

So for somebody to be able to manipulate somebody really easily, like I was easily manipulated, you know, you could have told me that the sky was green. And I'd be like, yeah, sure, that's green, you know, if you like me, and I'll say that. So I was becoming that guy that just kept falling into those traps that I created for myself to find my own version of sovereignty at some point. But yeah, I mean, I was whatever anybody wanted me to be, I would be. had this big mother wound because I saw I was going on with my mother and my father. And I'm like, well, the love of a woman looks like what's happening with my mother and my father.

So now let me go through the process of replicating that, which was a whole other addiction that I had to try to find her again. Right. So every single relationship, it would be like, well, if I abuse the relationship in some regard, but in a better way, then I'm not finding my mom, especially if they stay with me through that version of abuse. Right. So it's not physical or anything like that. But if I was cheating or if I was stepping out or whatever it be, I could do those things. And if they stayed, they're the one because I saw my dad do it, which is crazy. So I went through that even in my teenage years.

I'm like, I just, woman, a woman, a woman, a girl, a girl, a girl, whatever you want to call it at that time. Any friendships? Because I now had this whole issue with a male avatar in my life because of sexual abuse. I didn't trust men. So I never got close. I had no close male friendships at all. I would always push them away and keep them around because I was like, somebody going to take advantage of me. So you imagine the belief system you start to create

because of all these different versions of trauma that essentially you're like, you know, keeping all close male relationships away. You're abusing the feminine relationships in your life. But then, you know, the only time that I would ever get any version of affirmation was get a good grade. All right. Cool. I'll do better at that. Be good at tracks. I got really good at football. Okay, check the box. So let me go all in on these things because then the coach tells me I'm good. The teacher tells me I'm good. And that became my whole thing around the addiction to success or the people pleasing affirmation side of things. Right. And then that carried me through life, which was cool because then, you know, coming out of college, it's like all of a sudden,

I'm like, you know, the making a couple hundred grand a year, right, selling, you know, freaking medical staffing, right, which nobody in the company was making that kind of money. Or then I go on to marketing and I do the same thing because I just outwork everybody. I had the Kobe Bryant thing where I just, you do 100 phone calls, I'll do 300 in a day. You do this, I'll do that. I'll work till 12 hours a day, you'll work six. Like, I'll do those things. And then I saw the success from it. So, but then I would get the affirmation. And then if something broke, I wanted to die. So then it was so it got to the pivotal point that there was no parental structure around me as I got out of, out of my parents, I was out of college. And then it was all on me. And I didn't like that.

You know, so then I started trying to take my life, right? Literally as I was growing up. And I'm like, this is mid-20s? This is mid-20s, yeah. Yeah. So I'd been, I got married in college, right? And 19, because I wanted to recreate family. Didn't work, right? Then I got married again when I was 24 years old.

I got right out of college and got married. This lady had two kids that reminded me of myself. I got married literally for the kids, right? Because I was like, oh, I can reconstruct a family and then save them because I couldn't save myself. And then anything would go wrong in that relationship with the kids or something threatening. They would go away. I literally tried to slip my family. wrist okay yeah uh put a gun to my head pulled the trigger it didn't fire hung myself it broke the

freaking beam i we can you know took a bunch of ambian and then woke up in the hospital and i'm like oh i'm still here so that was a whole thing in my 20s that i went through um to try to escape the pain that i was in which is crazy right but necessary for me to get where i'm at today yeah i i'd had one attempt uh it was 22 or 23 all the pills it was vicodin zanax valium yeah all them in probably the tailand in the Vicodan was worse than anything else. I woke up 36 hours later in the hospital. And it was, that was like,

it just popped. Everything, the bubble of what I should do or ought to do snapped for the first time in my life. And I didn't know what I wanted to do next, but I retraced, you know, what I missed.

Yeah. Because I really got hit hard when football ended for me at Arizona State. Yeah. Didn't know what I wanted to do. None of it. I knew I didn't want to finish school.

I didn't want to wind up in a fucking cubicle. Yeah. That wasn't the life for me. You know, I didn't want to get a sales job and work on 100% commission like both my parents who fought all the time over money. So, but that, that, that one, one and done, you know, that's, that's, it says a lot to me personally when I know, you know, what that path actually looks like to continue with attempts is,

is a different level. It's tough. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, and I was, you know, apparently I was serious about trying to, because it didn't feel right. I knew that my, I didn't know at the time, but my soul was just like, this is not your life. right and my soul was just this is not your life but i kept trying to make it my life and the more that it was i was creating my own prison and then the beautiful thing is is that that led me into

prison right which is wild so i got a 46-month sentence you know that wasn't even on my accord you know it's literally my uh my godfather embezzled a bunch of money i ended up getting hit with it and i own 51% of the company he disappeared to africa and now i'm dealing with a 46-month sentence wow yeah yeah i created a prison then i went to prison right And that was actually one of the most beautiful experiences of my life. Right? And most people would be like, oh, it's horrible. I don't wish it on anybody.

I don't wish it on anybody. But if you're in a prison in your life, go there and then you'll really realize what prison is. And then if you can find freedom there, you can find freedom anywhere. So that became the thing for me is like, you know, I found freedom inside of a place that I'm not supposed to be free. And I had the closest relationships. I got closer in the concept of the energy being close with my son. I had a closer relationship at the time with religion because I was like I didn't know where else to go. I didn't know about this whole inner journey.

I was just like, let me crush the Bible, let me figure this thing out, let me get really close to whatever that says to do. And I was just like, you know, I'm going to be a pastor when I get out to do all these things, right? You are in a way. Yeah, I was like seven. I was like, I want to be a pastor, but I don't want to do it in a church, right? I don't know what that meant. So like seven, I like literally cascaded this thing out of my life, which is wild to think that that's, where I'm at right now.

But yeah, it's so, so yeah, I got out and I'm like, I'm going to crush religion. I'm going to do these things. I'm going to get it. Like, I'm going to be the good steward. You know, I'm going to be a great son. I'm going to do all the things still externally. Getting and got remarried again because I got divorced when that whole thing happened. Got remarried again to somebody who was a great human being.

Absolutely not like a love thing. It was just more so we can support each other. I had a kid. She had a kid. We'll help each other. We'll do this whole thing. and we tried it, but it was such a transactional relationship. But again, it was like my parents thought it was cool, so I'm checking a box.

She was a really good person. My son's super happy. So I'm like, if I'm checking all those boxes, but I'm not happy, I'm okay being a martyr to the system, right? So then it was like, well, that's the sacrifice that I make. And then I started to kin that with the walk of Jesus. Well, he sacrificed himself, so I'll sacrifice myself. I'm not supposed to have life mean that it's happiness for me. Happiness isn't a thing.

but if everybody else is happy, that means it's the byproduct of my sacrifice. So that then became my journey for like eight years, right? And then finally, I was like, this isn't it. And I ended up as I was married, and even though it was a very transactional relationship, as I was married, ended up meeting my now wife. I was in a consulting gig in New York. And I saw this, you know, like I had the crush growing up on like Holly Berry. and who didn't Pam Greer right and so my wife is a combination of Halliberry and Pam Greer and I was like

oh my god this is it so a year goes by she wouldn't talk to me and she knew I was married because I was I mean I wasn't hiding it but I'm like man like and my wife at the time she was like do whatever you want as long as you come home because she just like didn't care because it was again kind of that different version of a marriage and finally I was like I got to go for this and then our first date was in south of France, which is a whole story about that and this other journey that we went on. First day was in South of France, and then after that we moved in together, and I'm like, I never looked back, right? Which is wild. And she is the person that opened my mind to meditation, that there's something else. I didn't know what that was. And then I went on this deep journey

for the last eight years of being with her. And it has been the best thing that ever happened to me. Absolutely. I appreciate the depth of the detail that you're into brother yeah um you i heard you on our briefs podcast you know crediting her for being you know the catalyst for a lot of this change i feel like that my partner actually met on a tour for the troops uh in kuwait and iraq we spent two and a half weeks together i was in a six and a half year relationship we were everything but married joint bank account living together all the things you know bought her car all of it and um you know we just hit it off i remember coming home being like dude you got to meet this girl she's incredible i'm telling her all about it like she's awesome

awesome. And that, you know, ended up, there's a ton of synchronicities there, but that didn't work out. And, you know, we've been together. It's our 15th year together. That's awesome, dude. She's, I just love, it's interesting how we get woven together, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, have you, have you ever, you've read the journey of Sophia, like actually in the Peshita Sophia, which is, it's a book that was written in around 300 AD. It talks about the relationship of Jesus. And, Jesus with Sophia through the lens of Mary Magdalene, which is really interesting. And how this Sophia energy descended through and created all of Mother Earth and the material reality is pretty spot on. Like, it's really interesting. That sounds incredible. We can go into that in a minute. Yeah, absolutely. No, that sounds incredible. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I just the, the power of the right woman in your life can just do insane things. Yeah. Especially like looking back. I was just laughing.

There's all these that I don't want to get off too much on a tangent, but they're got all these videos on millennials and we could argue, you know, like, I don't know how old, I'm 44, you know. Yeah, 47. So, so, right, you know, kind of in that zenial, whatever range. But, you know, like, I was laughing because I stayed up late under my now terminology. Yes. 1045. We stayed up late to be intimate and hang out. Yeah. And I'm going to bed. I'm like, oh, man, it's 1045. Like, I hope I hope I have my wits about me tomorrow on the podcast and then get all the stuff that I need and I'm not grouchy or grumpy, you know, with the kids. And like the night didn't even start until 1030.

He wouldn't be caught dead in the club before 10.30. Oh, yeah. Like, he just never would, you know. He would be up until 5 a.m. doing key bumps, waiting for the sunrise. Like, that shit is so long gone. There was, but I love the memes because it's like, you know, millennials, you were happy taking drugs from a total stranger and now you're worried about the chemicals on the receipt you're holding.

Exactly. I'm like, yes. That's to the T. That's exactly right. I was just the other day. I'm like, don't touch that fucking receipt. Don't touch it. Reading every package.

Like, like, I was in red five, you know, red whatever, whatever. Yeah, any of that in there? I'm like, oh, no, this isn't a thing. Yeah. Yeah, that won't work. Yeah. Well, tell me, you know, you obviously had a, you were steeped in a deep background. A lot of it didn't vibe.

I had similar, but not to the same depth as you. You know, we grew up, I went to like, I don't know, Sunday school. I kept asking questions and getting in trouble, that kind of shit. It's pretty par for the course with a lot of people that get pushed away from it. And I always felt like, you know, it came on around 20 or 20 or, 21 where I was like, you know, mom, what are these books? And I started seeing like, there's a Deepak Chopra and a Wayne Dyer book and an Eckhart Tully book.

And I just started like thumbing through it. And Eckart Tolly hit me like a Mack truck. And I was like, wow, okay, cool. You know, like there's something there that's confirming the feelings that I have. But I still didn't really have a relationship with God and certainly didn't understand how I understand things now. And then my boxing coach was actually an old medicine man who's passed away, but he was a mixed, you know, Aztec, Mexican, and little guy.

We called him Quitzi, you know, show for a cuisi Lepoche, you know. Oh, yeah? That's dope. He was awesome, dude, like five foot even, maybe 100. He fought it like 100 pounds, 95 pounds, like just the little guy, little hummingbird. Yeah. And he would bring us out to the Native American reservation for Sweat Lodge and then eventually working with psilocybin and eventually with ayahuasca.

And the medicines themselves, as you know, are incredible. But having him as a mentor and a guide to teach me about the respect and reverence and how to intention and how to work with these tools. You know, I just, I didn't understand how good it was until later. Until later, yeah. Venturing off and, like, seeing other people, you know, try to take things on by themselves. And I'm like, damn, I was gifted that guy. Yeah.

You know, way more so than the boxing training, you know, way more so. Yeah, 100%. But talk about, you know, like, where did you start, do you start with meditation when did plants come in? Yeah. You know, like, yeah. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Yeah. I mean, so it started with meditation. So it was funny. one of her exes sent her Sagaroo video. And then I watched it and I'm like, it was a Sad Guru and Tom Villu. And I'm like, oh, this is interesting. And then I started trying to do Sard Guru based meditations,

which really wasn't for me. It doesn't mean it's not good or bad. It's just like, you know, are you familiar with the seven layers of the pluroma? Okay. It's like everybody sits at one of those layers, right? And whatever his layer is attracts a certain set of people that allows them to be a bridge for others and others.

So it didn't really work for me. but what worked for me as I went down this journey of Tom Bill Yu podcast and I kept hitting I got Jesse Ossler went to other ones

and all of a sudden I kept avoiding this one which was this Dr. Joe Despenza one I didn't even know who Dr. Joe DeSpenza was and I'm like this guy looks weird and listen to one of his guided meditations

I didn't even got on squeeze your ass yeah so I was like this guy looks weird I just don't know about this guy so I just kept to avoid

I would do everything around his stuff, and I never paid it, never went into it. And one day I listened to it. And I had a thyroid condition. So I had Graves disease. And your thoughts can make you sick. Your thoughts can make you well. And I'm like, so I just went into this whole thing. And I'm like, oh, that makes so much sense.

Right. And so, like, what I would say, like, he's like a, there's seven layers of the pluroma. He's like a third layer. And I also live in that third layer, right, of the pluroma. We could talk about that in a second. but it resonated with me. So his version of meditation was like, oh, that snaps in for me. And I can do things with this, right?

And then I started seeing my life, like lightly shift. My health start to shift. And my back, I had like two fracture vertebrae in my back that started to shift. And I'm like, there's something to this. Got my wife into it. And she's like, I feel like out of those seven. She's like on the first layer of the pluroma. I'm like on the third layer.

So like I'm not her teacher and she's not mine, but we are complimentary to each other. So like I'm dragging her into Dr. Joe world. She's like, this is just fucking weird. This isn't for me at all. But, you know, she gave it a shot, thankfully, because that that led me into this whole other venture thing. I ended up going to like nine Dr. Joe retreats in a row. And then I became one of his largest donators because I was like,

I want to get close to him. And nobody close to me, you got to donate. So I went to that whole path. And I didn't even have money when I first started with Dr. Joe stuff. So it was kind of, I had money and I'd lost. at all. And then I was down to like my last $2,000 and went to my first retreat and all of a sudden I get a million dollars in the bank account, which is crazy, like the crazy story. That's the hell of a testimonial. Maybe I should keep doing this. And I would go to these, I would go to his retreat

and I would have this kaleidoscope meditation. I could do it. I would like picture $100,000. It would show up. I would picture like $500,000. It would show up. And I'm like, oh, this is crazy that I can do this. So I associated it with him and not me. So I'm like, that's my guru. And I have to keep doing this and I just stayed in that for like a year which uh sophia was like you got to stop like you're you're you're addicted to this now i'm like no no no this is what we're supposed to be doing and i was just like the doctor joe disciple and uh she was like and it got to the point to where um we split up for about a year right because i was like so like these are my people this is a reality but i very felt cultish for me and uh she she she basically was like it's you know i'm not going to participate in this

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And now back to the podcast. Did you use the dispenza techniques to get her back? Not at all. No, no, that would have been great. $100,000. All right, I got my woman back. No. No, that was a night.

That was a night, Boga journey, a little bit of Hoffman process, and some inner family shit that I had to go through to, like, no longer be a victim. Beautiful. Yeah. Boca's not one many people, you know, get to experience. Oh, yeah. You know, like, that's a powerful one.

I've only sat with it once with Aubrey way back in the day, maybe like 2018 or 2019. Incredible journey. Incredible. And, like, in its own pace, too. You know, like he told me, because he's had a handful of sits with it. And he's like, it's a little slower than I, you know, like, it doesn't, you don't have to worry about it, cramming all the stuff in at once. Like, you know, it's going to come.

It knows it's got its time with you. Yeah. And I'd have like 16K level vision that's like more clear and more real than reality right now. Yeah. And then it would go and I'd just be in the dark. And I'd be like, all right, well, listen to the, you know, the traditional music is going on, the African, the wee tea drums. Mm-hmm. Get up to go to the bathroom.

I'm like, I just going to pee. I'm walking like I'm, you know, five cups deep on ayahuasca. I barely stand and shit my pants while I'm peeing. And I was like, oh, we're there. We're still going. Intelligently, I brought a second pair, you know, and cleaned up and came back. And I was like, all right. It would come and then, you know, work its magic without any visions and then bring me

another big one. And I really appreciate that. It was a beautiful pace. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was really hard for me.

Yeah. Yeah. And to your point, it's beautiful. I recommend it for everybody. I don't know if I'd ever want to. to do iboga again i do iba game okay but i don't know if i would do iboga because that was like that was just like ripping off the skin you know i was like oh i'm here i'm uh and i had to deal with a bunch of stuff and then i saw in that journey i saw that the answers to my say to saving myself were

through my through sophia which was interesting so i was like oh but i don't know what that means i thought it was like just let me get her back and then i tried to get her back and she's like you're not ready and then she still came like we still got back together but and then it was like two years of waking up after that again and now finally we're at a space to her she's like somatically safe and she can feel and she trusts and I trust her and then we know that we're now evolving and but we're evolving in our stillness instead of evolving out of a chase or something else which is wild yeah that's beautiful yeah that's very well stated yeah that states it perfectly actually there was a point when I first got into the plants where I was like especially with with work

with ayahuasca where I was like, holy shit, you know, like, I want to beat the drum on the mountain, like, people need to know this. It's magic, you know, like, you need to do it. You need to do it. You know, let's fuck all these old timers saying, you know, it's not for everyone. It is for everyone. You know, and personally, you know, somebody would say like, you know, the medicines are always with you, right? Like, oh, fuck off. The medicine's in when I'm drinking, you know, it's not a month from now. That's why I'm not the same person a month from now. And it was like, I couldn't really connect those dots. And ayahuasca itself told me to meditate and do yoga. Yeah.

Three ceremonies in a row. Yeah. And I was like, why do you keep telling me the same thing? Don't we get? I want some new downloads, you know? And it's like, we clearly haven't done it at all. And I was like, oh, man. So I took a couple years off.

Tried meditating, you know, I was Gadget Gizmos guy, like, you know, whatever the latest tech is, binaural beats, that kind of shit. And never really felt deep meditation until working with Emily Fletcher and then with my buddy Michael Holt from Savage and Saint. He is awesome,

I'm trained under Dan Brown, like just a, and that guy, like, gave me some real tools to use. And then it was the holy shit recognition of why people talk about meditation. You know, like now, somewhere along those lines in between, you know, what Ayahuasca represented to me was a chance to talk to God. It was a chance to talk to Mother Earth. Yeah. It was a chance to have any questions that I had permeating. I could solve the riddle.

I could have those questions answered if it was available to me, you know. and I remember writing stuff down. As long as I've got a ceremony planned in four months, like I can just write it down for I on and we'll solve it then. You know, I can let go of it now and solve it later. And through meditation, you know, like that was the first opening of like, oh, I can make communion anytime, anytime a day. Right.

And then with that communion, I can have the answer or not. Maybe I'm not ready for the answer. And maybe I just got to wait on that. And that's okay too. I can hold it. Yeah. But with meditation, it finally created space, within for me to be comfortable in my own skin all the way, you know, 365 days a year.

Yeah. Not just in the wake of having done a big journey. Yeah, not waiting on the thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. It's, you know, I kind of took a different tack. Like, so I did the Dr. Joe thing for a while and I'm like, oh, I need to do that type of meditation. And I mean, it, like, when I'd slip my wrist, I lost all the feeling in my hand. You know, now I can feel, right?

So there's things that happened because of that process of meditation of being able to, like, wake up my kundalini, be able to make up my kundalini, be able to move the cerebral spinal fluid, be able to tap my penile gland, open my heart up. But it doesn't require that version. It's just, you know, I can get there in three breaths right now. Like I can literally go into it. I'm like, oh, well, this is great. And I recognize I could do it. I started working with this. If you heard of Dr. Drew Pearson before. No. He's a neuroscientist. He lives in Nevada City now. But he created this program called Holon, where you go in and you sit under these EEG caps measuring your alpha, beta, theta, gamma states, right, to understand, like,

how you drop into it, how long you stay there, what you do and you're thinking about it. So I went to this one thing and it, like, opened up my mind to, like, really what my brain is supposed to be doing and then how I can connect that with my heart. And then I started working with him for, like, three years where, like, I was, I mean, it's, it's not cheap, but I was like, this was the thing that I'm doing, you know, every, I did it twice a week. And I would literally, like, see if I meditate like this is what I was in my brain. And I'm like, well, do I have to meditate?

And I'm like, well, what if I just think this is what happens in my brain? And all of a sudden, I can just like get into a state really quickly. I could do three breaths and all of a sudden I'm in that same state. So I could see myself going into alpha theta. I could see myself dropping into gamma. I could see it increase. And then I'm like, instead of me having to think about it, I could just feel it. Now it's like, oh, I can breathe this way.

I could think of this thing with my wife. I could go down this path. And all of a sudden, I'm just dropping right into the same thing. It would take me, you know, a 45 minutes. Dr. Joe to get there. I'm like, oh, well, that's crazy. And everybody has the same capability. But I go back to the pluroma thing because we all, we all access information seven different ways, which we have seven days of the week, seven calls of the rainbow. We got all this code that's out there. It's like, hey, there's a path of seven that you're supposed to go down. And one,

you are good at one of these really well, right? Like Wednesday's my day, right? I'm very tied to this Angel Codomaros. I'm very tied to, you know, from there, the Raphael of the other side of it. that's what I do really well, right? And when I do that, all of a sudden, I'm accessing all these other energies and there's other, there's billions of other people out there that do it the same way, right? So my access points and the people that I can impact that also will impact me in the same type of language and speak and talk

and the way that I think are there. And that doesn't mean that like, you know, like you and I might be on two totally different polaromes, which is totally cool. And you might have seven. I'm a three. It doesn't really matter. They're all the same in their own regard.

But then you have an impact across that. You know, whatever that might be. You know, my wife has an impact across ones, right? And so then once we recognize it, then we're no longer trying to get into somebody else's world. We recognize that, you know, I'm a really good fingernail. I'm a really good piece of hair. I'm a really good.

Whatever it is that I'm at, I'm not a nose trying to be a dick. Right? I'm a nose being a nose, right? And then I'm embodying that. And I'm the best freaking nose that I can possibly be and I can regenerate myself. And that's how I show up in life. How do you, I mean, when you ask me the original question

on the seven layers of chloroma, I've read about it. I have no idea how to find. out which level you know where you're at how do you how do you find that out yeah so there's um inside of the bishop to sophia there is a um it talks about the the seven different layers right and then what you are when you are there and this is all written like apparently in conversations that the disciples have with christ like you know after the back so you talked about this and it's also tied to the seven hermatic principles right so each one of the layers is tied to one of the principles

of hermeticism right so it's like mentalism right are you somebody that's somebody that's that is like completely connected with the monad, the source intelligence all the time. And it's really hard for you to look at this material reality and be like, this makes sense to me because this is fucking weird to me. So you might be one of those people that's just like, I know that I'm connected with source,

I know that I'm here. This is really uncomfortable. I don't want to be here anymore. I need to go actually and connect with Saurus more. But I'm here. So I'll deal with it. But people just don't get me and I'm a weird bird, right? So you're that's the number one.

Okay. That's my wife. She's just like, I know I'm here. I don't want to be here anymore. but I'm going to do it and I'm going to be safe. And as long as I feel safe, beautiful things will happen because I'm so tapped into like this thing of the modem and source, but I question it all the time. And so when she questions it, she just the riff of her questioning herself versus like when she's super connected with it is so painful. Right.

So when she's so sure of herself, which the me being a masculine in her life creates that safety for her, she gets there. Now a sudden like magical things happen because she's constantly on it. Is that I'm getting out? That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so like a number two is going to be somebody who like thinks of new ideas, like they question religion, right? They are constantly pushing on the edges, right, of what's

taking place. They don't see the patterns. They don't necessarily associate with it. But there's somebody who just knows that there's another story and they are okay being strange enough to be able to tell what that other story is. A lot of cult leaders are really good at this, right? So like, hey, there's another path we can go. And I'm so sure about it. And everybody else is sure with you and they vibrate on that same level and they just go down that path together and that's cool like go down that um it's when you try to control people from that space is when it's not right right when you try to manipulate or you're trying to extract value you're trying to like fuck everybody or whatever it might be that's not that's not cool then there's like the number three's who i would like

put um i you know i put like a tony robins in number three and somebody that can see the patterns recognize the patterns understand how to adjust them use their voice in order to now like create new realities, right? So number three is are really good at that. Like they can just like see the patterns. They help people see the patterns and then they just walk down that path and they are like kind of analytical, very mathematical. They see these codes and then people are like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. And other people in other layers will start seeing them too. But then like if I wanted to commune with a one, I have to really, really freaking feel. I can't be here. I have to be fully in my body. I have to be able to say, you know, and be compassionate enough to hear and listen so that I can

like understand like where she's at and then help her find the patterns for herself right but she's she sees the whole damn thing right so but she also recognizes there's something off and so i can show that to her and then she grabs it and takes it and brings it back to sourcing it right um but like yeah tony robin's really really good at it like that's kind of the way that i think dr dodis to joe dispens it he's really good at the pattern what but this third one relate to in the seven hermetic principles oh sorry great question um so that's more of the as above so below okay right so like the second one is you know the the law vibration like everything is all energy everything is yeah everything is all energy everything is vibration the um as above so below it's like i see it divinely

created but all of a sudden is that manifest in this reality here's what the pattern looks like and i go from there cool yeah so you're connecting thoughts yeah yeah yeah have the ability to see into systems or create systems right exactly then you've got the law like so then if we go down the hermetic laws the next one would be the law of rhythm, right? There's highs and lows and so on and so forth. And so that's when you get into like the fourth version level of heaven or the pluroma or the monad, right? And so then you've got a whole set of individuals that's just good around rhythm. Like they know how to, you know, musicians, individuals that can like take the highs and lows and like they're really good at business.

They can see like the synchronities of like business going this way and that way and they can hold that container around the rhythm and be able to orchestrate. it, right? I'm good at decent at business from a pattern perspective, but the execution and the operational efficiency of it, not my jam. Thank God for AI now, right? Not my jam, but I'm good at like vision, right? Somebody who can take the vision and turn it into like reality, you know, somebody like, you know, an Elon Musk is good at taking a vision to me and like, oh, here's how we coded into reality. And I'm not looking at guys worth a trillion dollars, right? Yeah. So, so that's like the fourth level, somebody that's really good at the law of rhythm. Somebody that is good at the, so you go to the fifth level, which would be about polarity, right?

Those are individuals who are, they get into the state to where they, they're not judging. They can see every possibility. They appreciate every possibility. They hold it with pure reverence and pure gratitude. That's when you're good at it. Would this be like a Dr. John D. Martini? Yeah, somebody like that. Yeah.

I heard him on Aubrey's podcast and I was like, well, what's the hype around him before this? Because I know, you know, obviously with how that went down and I listened to him on Paul Checks. and he was fucking awesome. Yeah. I was like, man, I understand Alps Point as a dad and also this dude's fucking awesome. The podcast did with Paul blew my mind.

But Paul said at the end, he's like, you're the closest thing I've ever met in the West to a non-dualist. Yeah. You know, and his ability to hold both sides. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's somebody who's just like,

you know, there is no, and this also ties back to the, we can get into dimensions into the fifth dimension, when you are in non-judgment, non-righteous. right you see justice and you want balance you see discernment you make choices but you're not trying to judge anything right you're now a person who can see all possibility you see the good and bad

you honor them both and then you bring it back to center because you know you're a creator of it this is where like hoopono upono comes into effect right where you take total responsibility for everything in your life right so that's like the fifth dimensional um person but that's also tied to that fifth level of the pluroma which is also tied to polarity okay right then you have karma right effect, right, which then you're in the sixth level. So you got a number six, six, six, six, you know, cause and effect. We are the creators of our lives, right? So that's the connection point right there. And then the whole journey starts within. You're kind of back a little bit to the law of course, mine is as well as well as, so below. But, you know, you recognize that

you are the cause creator of your life. So people that are really good and they sit in kind of that six level, they are constantly creating everything in their life. And it's just like pure flow. Like they're just, they're great, they're great with money, right, all the time. They sometimes just don't know why. It's just it just happens. And they're always in the right place at the right time. People call them lucky, right? But that's that person that sits at that level six, they, you know, the number six has been demonized, but they are just good at cause and effect, right? And they're never victims. They're always creators. You know, if you were to look at the victim triangle, you know, they're not looking at creating bellens, right? They're creating challengers. If you look to the

victim triangle they're not over here trying to create heroes right they're creating coaches they are the person that is constantly living in that level of vibration and we can all access these different areas but that person just gets it right and then the number seven is around the law of gender right so the law gender and the hermeticism is somebody that can honor masculine and feminine it'd be like a great sex coach right somebody who's good at tonsra like somebody who um you know is a as a great you know it's just like i live to be in relationship you know with with my feminine or my masculine, whatever it might be, they would be those type of individuals, right, that just creates that environment. And, you know, some of us will access those different levels

of the pluroma in order to change our lives. Like right now, like we've got this amazing, you know, tantra, like intimacy coach, me and my wife, because we're accessing something. Now, is that my jam? Am I going to go teach that? Not at all, right? But I'm going to access that. And that person is helping me out. And there's a bunch of billions of other people that do those same things. There's billions of other people at a six, billions of other people at a five billion. And so the beautiful thing about this world is we've expanded ourselves to where all of us have a gift at one of those seven layers. When we recognize that, we're questioning it. We stop trying to be a one, trying to be a seven, right? Or we stopped trying to be a three, be something else, that you can embody them all because

you have access points. And that's how you start to ascend yourself into being able to like this full sovereign being. All right, y'all, quick break to tell you about my brand new community, the kingdom within. It is launched on school right now. If you just, join, you get a free one-week trial. You'll have access to any videos we've recorded in the past. We call them days at school. So first day of school, second day of school, all this stuff is available. Like I said, we just launched. The community is small, which is absolutely great, because if you join now, you will have all your questions answered. I mean, there's just no competition. So the community is about body. It's about mind. It's about connection. It's about family, nature, psychedelics.

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How do I build out my eco field in my own little backyard? If I got an apartment, what are the plants that I bring in? How do I respect nature and make communion with it? And then how do I do that with God? There are so many paths that lead us up the mountain. And I've spent, you know, the last 20 years of my life, really researching digesting and breaking this down. So I am so excited to be able to share this with you guys.

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All right, guys, back to the podcast. That's incredible. That was a whole lot right there. Yeah, that's incredible. So this, I'll get the book from you, but just for the show notes as well. What is it called again? Oh, the Bishita Sophia. Okay.

So the Bishita Sophia breaks this down. Does it, is there a way to figure out based on yourself or do you just kind of like, it's kind of just feel it. Yeah. Okay, cool. It's not a, you can't, you can't think it. It's not like a human design. You were born here on this time, this hour.

You just see the traits and you're like, oh, shit, yeah, that's me. You know, and then you just, you're like, I'm, I've been always good with the words. I've always been good with, always good with saying things. So I'm like, okay, well, you know, for the longest time I was played small. I had a thyroid disease because I would never speak. I was like, so quiet growing up. I was shy. And now I'm like, you know what?

I'm fucking, fucking megaphone. Let me just get out there and start saying things, right? And then I step into that. And then I'm more than I do it, the more confident that I am. And then that is just that layer three, that correspondence of being able to see patterns and speak them into existence. And that explains the 369 and a lot of the things that you posted on, also being able to re-envision and understand 666.

Aside from real translations, you know, Greek and things like that, I'll link to some of your posts in the show notes as well because they're must see. And probably people, you know, if they're listening to this, have already seen it. But they're worth watching just to fully grasp. but your videos are fucking beautiful. You know, like the AI and the videos, but everything that you're seeing is just incredibly well done. Thank you.

It really is awesome. Thank you. It's inspiring, but informative. Like, it lands everywhere for me, you know. Bless you. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a lot of fun.

It's a lot of fun. Yeah. You're in your Dharma for certain. There's no doubt about it. I want to pick your brain on a couple of things. One, you know, we touched on the seven hermetic principles. You talked about the seven inner versus the seven outer. Can you break those down?

And obviously, 14's a big number. you know, like that. 49, the whole thing, yeah. Yeah. So I'd love to, for you to break some of that down. And, you know, for people listening that are, that are enjoying this, like, you teach all this shit in your academy. And I want to promote the hell out of that.

Thank you. Because that's, that's exactly where the rubber hits the road for people to know more. But if I can extract some of that today, I'd love to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you have, everything has a mirroring effect.

Okay. So if you, you know, a lot of people we get lost in, somebody will get in like the, the, what is it? The cabylon all of a side. or the Emerald tablets or something like that. And they're like, oh, well, there's Thoth and I'm Thoth and all the shit people do, which is beautiful. And then they go deep on these Psemanoradic principles and I'm going to become a master of it or whatever it might be. There's a mirroring effect of that.

Right. And so most people look at it and because what you've read and concretizes itself in your brain. And then all of a sudden life changes because I can embody mentalism really well or I can embody this, whatever it might be, or rhythm or gender or whatever. you end up doing the external illusion thing without any internal self-authorship, right? Even though you're self-authoring through the feedback loop you're getting, you need the feedback loop to self-author without starting the self-authorship within. Does that make sense? Yeah.

Right. So the mirroring, when you recognize that anything that you see has a mirror to it, that's the law of gender, right, as also the law of correspondence. So everything has a feminine version. Everything has a masculine version. Everything has a reflection of it. you start to embrace all possibilities of both sides. So when I started to see, well, there's these seven angels.

I was studying the Kabbalah, right? And as I was studying it, I'm reading this book, the Sephardia, and I'm going through it. And I'm like, oh, it talks about like the time is through the number seven. And it starts talking about the seven planets. And then there's the seven angels. And I'm like, well, there's got to be something else, right, that's there. But I was going down that path.

And that's part of the archonic grid or the firmament loop that keeps us trapped. Okay, because if we live inside of, we would call you know, Yavala, the Demi or just framework, it's all in the seed of life, which is the seven. And when we can't see the internal version of it and we don't go on a quest deeper to find what those other answers are that are actually here on Earth that's part of the feminine, we just still stay in the same thing. Even if we're spiritually enlightened, we're like doing it from half of the story. right and that's like this masculine half that has been corrupted because we haven't embraced the feminine

so when i went down this path deeper i was like oh well there's all of this other stuff like you know i keep bumping into these watchers and enoch and i'm like what's up with that and uh and then i was like well then there then no well there's seven fucking earthly angels that spawn 20 that spawn 200 so i'm like okay well what the hell of these guys and then i started to think about the fact that if there's this seven inner and seven outer and then there's these seven angels that i've been taught like michael and uriel and chamois and all these that are like these divine angels what is their counterpart because they have a counterpart that's here on earth that we don't know what they are well that's supposedly the fallen angel right and i'm like okay well what the hell are these guys and why we why do we call them fallen

well then i go back to genesis seven days of creation every every day god said it was good literally like it was good good good along the way and all of a sudden it just became a jealous god and this shit's not good anymore. So what's that all about? And inside of the, when the heavens and the earth split, okay, which I believe it was day three,

day two, yeah, day two, when the heavens and the earth split, right, that is when the angels of heaven and the angels of earth came about. That's when the seven upper

and the seven lower came. And that's what the Aesines teach was in the, and they have a tree of life which has seven upper branches, seven lower branches. And that is the reflection mechanism. And that's the thing that,

literally Jesus was trying to teach us around the tree of life of how to embody things differently, right? So that's the, you know, when we can see that there's a mirroring effect and anything that we've been told is only half of the story. And now in order to evolve, we have to get outside of the construct of religion and this like limiting belief that we have to be able to see the other side that lives inside of every one of us. There's no fucking book on this. That's the thing about it. Like there's no book. There's no like, here is it. Here it is written.

And we can prove it to ourselves because we have it historical. there's hints of it everywhere. There's hints of it in when Jesus talked about. But they don't ever talk about like his favorite disciple of Mary Magdalene. He was teaching everything too. Literally went to like, do you know about the stuff in South of France? No. Check this shit out.

Nobody knows about this shit. Okay. So, and this is wild that me and my wife, first date was there. And I'm not claiming like, you know, anything outside of the fact that there's just the energetic space. There's a church, the Mary Magdalene church that's literally sitting. there, fucking huge, okay, with her skull in it in South of France. Okay? Old church.

If she was like the prostitute, why would there be a church, right? Favorite disciple, and there's all of this, all of, like, if you go in there and you, like, screenshot, there's all of the conversations that they talk about that her and that she learned from Jesus. Then you go to, they say, hey, walk up this path, and it's like a fucking hell of a hike. you log up this path and up there there's this whole grotto that is a cave that she lived in to avoid persecution with her kids but apparently Jesus's kids in this space up on this mountain that now the friars oversee. It's like these friars and uh yeah i forget the names of them but they

oversee and they protect this land and inside of there there's these like you know keys and these like little artifacts that she kept that are like there and it's like like cased in and there's stained glass around her journey with christ like all of that's like up there nobody knows these freaking stories nobody even knows that this exists really outside of the people that are there this has not been like put out there into the world do they do you think they do that to protect what's there so that you don't have people that would hide stories like that come in and demolish it i mean i think it'd be really hard to demolish because the way it sits on that mountain it'd be damn near impossible to do anything about it.

Like it's on a face of a mountains. Like you have to hike up and do all this weird stuff to get there. So I don't think that, I don't think they hide it for that reason. I think that they hide it because once we recognize really the relationship that Jesus had with Mary Maglan, it will open up a level of accountability in men that we will have to change ourselves.

It will open up a abundance in women that we have been suppressing over time. It will unlock what I perceive is the Ark of the Covenant that will help us basically bridge heaven, the earth together. And then when that takes place, this whole fucking thing changed. That's a pretty big deal. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I believe. That's incredible. Yeah. And so in there, these experiences, you know, like, or in, you know, their life and obviously the things that actually happened there, you think that these other seven are encoded. Yeah. That that is, you know, plain sight,

obviously, if you have access to it. Yeah. You have access? Yes, 100%. And when you think about Jesus, 12 disciples and Mary Magdalene is 14, right? she and him were the key that helped this archonic grid of 12 heal themselves so we've been you know it's funny there's like i think there's a thing called the code of 12 and you know everybody thinks we live in a base 10 or base 12 humanity in our base it's base fucking 14 right and we just have forgotten these other two right that um is basically the man and the woman the masculine the feminine uniting so that we can heal all the timelines which are tied to the same 12 cranial nerves that we have they keep us in our fight or flight. It's the exact same, like we look at our calendar. It's 12 months when

it used to be 13 and then the bridge would be to the 14. So the whole thing that we live in right now is healing this historical timeline of this coded reality of a base 12 system that needs to ascend to become a base 14 system. And the base 14 is the unification of this number 7. The number 7 reflected in itself would be the 14. The number 7 multiplied itself is number 49. Number 49 is the 49 days is when the Pinio Glen actually comes online. A woman's womb is also when the genders actually form, which is the same thing as the Tibetan Book of the Dead, the Bardo, the 49 days there, which is also the same timeframe as the Jubilees that are the thing that are inside of the Bible around the Jubilee cycles of ascension.

It's like the whole thing is right there. It's like we got to pay attention to it, understand what that code looks like, and then be able to step into what, because this is a whole big math problem, really, at the end of the day. And it's also a math gift. And if we see it as the problem, we're always falling victim to it. If we see it as the gift,

then we start to embrace it, and we can create with it. I like that. Yeah. I keep doing a lot. No, that's a, that's a super. That's awesome. That was a very important framework,

I think, you know, like a, when I first started diving into Gnostic's teachings and things like that, and it's like, oh, wow, they had a whole different, you know, thing here that they did, I'm looking at the, the archons and the demiurge. And I'm like, it's kind of a similar framework, but it's a little bit different.

Yeah. And, you know, David Ike, you know, like all an explanation of how fucked it is. Yeah. You know, and it weighed heavily on me. And I, trust me, I mean, I was getting into this shit in like 2020. Yeah. You know, like lockdowns is when I'm like just deep dive and rabbit hole and all the dark shit. Yeah.

And I'm like, oh, man, I remember my, my, you know, now I can laugh about it. Of course there's geoengineering. We've finally finally have a president for as bad as he is, at least acknowledging that the geoengineering. You know, Bobby Kennedy's a homie. He's put that on the front page of papers. And like, all right, let's just call it what it is. Right? You're pumping chemicals in the atmosphere.

It's in our fucking water. It's in our food, all that. There was a point in 2020. We had the snowmageddon here. It was like the worst storm a long time, right? Yeah. And I remember my wife saying it's like something's wrong with the snow. You know, it's just weird.

It's different. Right. And so she shows me this post. But because I was so immersed and like, I mean, we had a house in South Austin that had cameras on every light. And I thought, this is great because I travel out for work. You know, it'll discourage crime in the neighborhood when I'm away from home because it's just my wife and kids. Like, this is a great thing. And then I start, you know, diving into smart cities and fucking all the things that I, you know, they gave us a free Alexa. They gave us, I'm like,

who buys a house and gets a free Alexa? Who gets a free Sonos that has the mic? Yeah, like all this shit. They just wanted everything miced up, cameras in every room. God, they had partnered with a ring. which was the only thing hardwired in the house. They hardwired ring, so it couldn't come off. I was just like, none of that.

Then it all started to click for me, you know, and I was like, oh shit, oh man, you know, and so she, you know,

snowmageddon happens and she's like, hey, people can't melt the snow. Yeah. It's like something different. I know, man made fucking storm,

and I was like, I can't see it right now. I just can't. Like, I'm, I'm sure it's true. I can't even look at it right now. I'm about to snap,

you know? And so that, that, it took a lot of a lot of work to be able to accept the truth of how fucked things are and then to see through it and still hold yes and if that's true then the other thing's true if that's true then yes fucking yesua walked to the earth and then gave us codes to live by and like and that that has been such a healing process over the last six years you know seven years to be able to see that and like for the recognition of the flip you know the recognition of

of the law polarity and the other side of that coin, you know? Yeah, yeah. It's interesting. Everything that happens, whether it's, whether it's a P, is a purge. And it's a shift to a different dimension. And we're constantly, if you think about it like a software program, it's constantly re-rindering and re-updating itself over and over again, right? So what do we start doing when we recognize that we are gods, right?

Collectively. not one, there's not one the rule of another, right? But, you know, and Yeshua says, ye are God, you'll do greater things to me. He was not, you know, like, it wasn't an accidental saying, right? They didn't get omitted. They couldn't omitted out of the Bible.

But they recognize it. So when we recognize that we are, then we start trying to put ourselves in the position of the programmer, right? And we put ourselves in the position of the program, and we're like, oh, let's play with the weather, right? Let's start playing with genetic engineering. Let's start playing around with these different concepts

and see what happens. every time that that will take place though there's always a feedback loop that if we do it in a space of ego in a space of manipulation it causes more pain for the person that's doing it and the feed the the example that gets set for that individual is like oh you never want to do that again it might not happen in our timeline per se right in the one that we see but the what we will start to recognize is like hey if you go on this path this is what's going to take place so for me, instead of me being like a victim and being like, oh, shit, they're fucking changing the snow now. And they're putting all the stuff in my food. It's like, how can I embrace that

and see like, oh, that was a really beautiful thing that somebody tried to like step into the hands of God at some point and do it for themselves, right? And then watching how when you can like, you can start tracing back to like, oh, the person that did this is now being impacted like this over here. And the universe is constantly course correcting itself. the beautiful paradox about it is it's always going to like kick your ass if you try to do something to kick somebody else's ass right yeah you know even if it's to your own personal benefit right it's going to come back and do it you can't hide it'll and then and then the timelines are getting faster right now so whenever i see something um like the other every almost every time now

me and my wife have a transformative experience it rains like clockwork and i'm like oh like we were at a ceremony the other day and it rained right afterward it was no rain in the forecast it just starts raining, right? We had a beautiful, and it's actually interesting now that I'm thinking about it. Every time we get into some ceremony, like we have one of our coaches right now around intimacy, we had like a great session,

literally walked outside and just freaking rain of sunshiny. And it starts raining, right? And it's like, well, am I doing that? The minute I think I'm doing it, I become the asshole that it doesn't work anymore, right? But I just start seeing the fact that there's a re-rendering inside of this code that's constantly elevating itself. And then when I can step into that re-rendering and then recognize it, it's all beautiful,

whether somebody trying to manipulate it and try to render it themselves and it was a little bit of a glitch, or it's somebody that's like, okay, I'm actually going to do this for the benefit of the all. You just accept it all and you're now in flow of it. And instead of judging it, you're just trying to provide the internal justice that can create a whole new, whole new balancing for everybody else. And then this is when wealth, relationships, attention, whatever might be, starts coming your way, but it's clean. You know, it's not out of my like lack of not having. Yeah.

Yeah. That's beautifully stated. We've noticed that too at the farm, especially when we'd have events here. We wouldn't host, you know, 200 people for medicine journeys, but medicine in a different way, you know. And so we'd have like a holotropic breathwork session. And oftentimes it would bring the reins, either during the event or after the event. And something I've noticed, too, that's been very interesting is that when we've had events that I don't know, I don't understand it. but it does appear that it's common for one animal to die, which is wild.

Yeah. Like, just wild. Yeah. Say more about that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, I don't know the connection, but it's something that's happened enough to where it's like there, that it's a thing in my mind. Yeah.

We talk about it. Eric Vaughn is one of my closest friends. And he's, you know, the on-site manager doing a lot, everything here, you know. And so like before we even had a plant manager and other guys and it became a thing where we talk about like, hey, you know, we have an event and nobody would plan for anything like that and be like, oh, we lost a lamb was born during our spring event, you know, and died, you know, that kind of thing. And we had, you know, go take that to the spot where we can give it back to the earth. Or, you know, we had a hunting ceremony, you know, we're teaching like sacred hunting and things like that.

And then one of the big male red deer just in a matter of five days lost all of its muscle, went bone skinny, couldn't stand. And we had to slit his throat to help it pass. Really? Yeah, like just wild stuff like that. So it is... Interesting. And that's a kind of a weird thing to juggle too. And you think of...

I don't want to assume anything out of us. I'm still learning from it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when you think about, you know, the power structure's use of sacrifice and things of that nature, you know? Yeah. So I think there's two things.

I think it was beautiful about your experience. And this is just coming to me. So, you know, take it from where the brain us all if you want to or not. What's beautiful about your experience is that if you akin this to the time, that people would like forcefully sacrifice it's not forced right there's always going to be like if we go back to the re-rendering there's always going to be a situation where um the the universe

re-renders itself and the memory of the thing that you're engaging with has to go through transformation does that make sense yeah okay so like you and i right now are not in the present moment as much as we want to goically think we are we're not right my by the time i see you and this will make sense with what we're talking the time I see you and it goes through my eyes and it goes through here and I think of which you are. I render you in a reality. It's in the past. So you're constantly in the past to me. I'm constantly in the past. Even if it's microseconds, right? We're constantly in the past. So every memory that I have, my rendering of you, everything that's taking place is a past memory, right? The only thing that's ever present, which is why meditation is so powerful, which is everything

we do is within. That's the only present moment that I'm in. So the more that I can tap into this, then the rendering of you becomes more aligned with this and then vice versa right it's not just me it's not just you but then what's interesting about what you talked about is that that memory of the the deer right so the memory of the deer that you have all of a sudden was like this big was it a buck i was he was a big stag yeah big stag right muscular all these other things if you look at the memory of that like when you see it how does it make you feel right so there's something inside of he was like, wow, that's really powerful. That's really majestic.

But then in a matter of days, it just decays itself into nothing, right? So then that's also a version potentially within somebody, either in the ceremony of yourself, that there was a death of that version of masculinity that they so egoically held on to that had to eliminate itself and in the example of an animal instead of a human, right?

Because as a human, if we died, we wouldn't remember it. Yeah. Right? So we had to like see something else take place. And then that became the sacrifice that we went through in order to remember how to heal ourselves. You know what I'm getting at? Yeah. So it's like all of this that takes place from this like re-rendering and the memory that happens,

you know, when we do it and it allows itself to go and flow, it's beautiful. When, and I think whatever you're doing on like on the land here and you do those ceremonies and something gives itself away, you have to find the pattern of like why that specifically happen whether somebody or a collective group or the intention of the ceremony to have that take place then you can literally map it back to that level of the animal where it sits inside of the pleroma with the if you break down the animal name into the gametria you'll then see a code specifically with it and you're like oh that's what it is okay and then you have this like understanding of it but when you force a sacrifice if i'm like trying to drag children oh god forbid um or trying to drag animals or

something like that, you try to drag something into it. That's your ego thinking that you can extract something from God. I see. But you can. And it's tit for tat. I'm going to offer this in exchange for this thing. Yeah. And if you don't want it, they'll damn you God when the God's damming you.

And literally, you're looking in the mirror. And it's the whole freaking stupid thing we go through. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, continue.

You know, we talked about the seminary. Actually, you know, something I'd like to get on this because I'm not. I'm not certain about anything, but I haven't really mapped it yet. You know, like you've talked about the fallen angels and how we were mischaracterized them and the watchers and the difference there. Something I'd love to know is, you know, like, and this is an unanswerable question, but, you know, if you look at the Emerald tablets and the Ananaki, you look at our DNA structure, you know, and the chromosome that is attached to itself where we have telomeres back to back on the inside of something that we don't see anywhere else in nature. it clearly looks like that exact thing is what made human human. And this is why there's no, that's why there's a missing link. We didn't evolve from something else.

You know, we could have been created from the creator in that way, or we could have been created from another intelligence, you know, in that way. I'm not certain there, but, you know, I'm just wondering, you know, what are your thoughts on that kind of stuff as it pertains to, you know, where we're at in, you know, in Liel and, you know. Enki and then we're like where we're at in our own self-discovery, you know, where are those stories, how do they map to us? Right. And our own understanding of moving forward.

Yeah. So what, so a couple things. If you, the whole concept of time is not real. You with me on that one? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So the whole concept of time isn't real.

So we have all these stories and things that are like an understanding of like 5,000 years ago. All those other stuff is happening now, right? And we're like, oh, like, and again, that's our. ego trying to construct this whole thing so that we can be in a dominant position to understand everything with all this wisdom and knowledge that now sits within us. And so if you take all of that and you then throw out the whole concept of time, which is hard to do because it makes us human, but you throw out the concept of time and then you look at what's left over, like you filter all that, what's left over, the whole concept around my DNA, right? It matters to a point, but it's also

like, okay, well, what are these patterns and these codes that I'm seeing inside of it that helped me understand that it's just the orivorous, right? It's the snake eating its tail, right? The snake eats its tail, like, would a snake ever really want to do that? But at the end of the day, if you have the back-to-back DNA that's like sitting like this, it's literally the snake eating its tail, which is interesting, right? Yeah. So we've constructed the whole snake eating its tail of the closed loop of self inside of our DNA so that we could remember who we are. So no matter how far we go law of correspondence you know whether i look at the snake eating its tail whether i look at this whole situation with the uh with our dna i could go anywhere and i constantly see that the loop is only

within itself so the thing that our dna is telling us and the inky and the l and all the other story and all the other lore is that the entire journey is the snake eating is tail which is inside of us and the entire universe of a creation sits inside of us that's what our dna is telling us I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that.

Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Well, tell us about, I mean, obviously, you've taken such a deep dive and everything, you know. Tell us about, you know, the creation of every community and what you're teaching. Yeah. And where people can get in on that. Yeah.

It's cool. Yeah. And so Miracle Academy, it started a science of abundance. And then it went to the Miracle Academy. Right now, we have about 700 members that are in it right now. And so it's just been fun. The process that we go through is somebody comes in and, you know, they, you know, it's going to be creepy for people. We do it. People audit themselves, right? And so you go through this audit, like, what's wrong with my life right now? What am I going through? I know that's Scientology, do that as well.

It's accountability, though. Yeah, it's accountability. Yeah, it's real, right? So you go through an audit. It's a 49-day process. So when you get started, you go through a 49-day transformation cycle. Okay. And you step into, and it's seven by seven. So it's seven weeks that are your earthly angels. that you walk through in these frequencies. And then every day is your divine angels that you tap into. And then there's a grid that we go through. And so, like on day one, it's, you know, it's the first week is the oath that you take to help you audit yourself to understand, like, the things that are off in your life. And you've got Michael, then you got Eriel, you got Shabweal,

and you kind of go through these every single day, and they're tied to the days of the week that are mapped to the Kabala. Right. And so we have that. And then you just go through the 49-day cycle, and at the end of it's your Jubilee, and then you walk out of it. Right. People can choose to stay if they want to continue to participate. They can leave if they want to leave. But there's constantly an evolution of what we're going through. Like today, we went into the Bishop of Sophia and we talked about that, how that maps into your 49-day cycle, right? Last week, we went into the Golden Bow and like to discuss that book a little bit. It's an hour long. We kind of go into it as fast as we possibly can. And then people ask questions in the community and go deeper, right? Because of the Golden Bow last week, and we talked about the law of similarity and the law of contagion and how those actually present. themselves in your life and what that means to create somatic surrender so you could create magic,

right? So every week we go through a different thing to just help people kind of see the evidence of their lives and all these teachings that are out there that help you find that you've always been the answer. So that's always there. One thing that I always tell people, if I'm ever becoming a guru, just leave because I don't ever want to be that. So I'm just here to open space, right? And then we all do it together. And truly where I find, like today we had three people with their testimonies of like, hey, I've just been doing your 369 time windows, you know about that? Explain that, though, for people. Again, I included that, but explain that.

It was really cool. Yeah, so I ended up, you know, Nicola Tesla was the 369 in the Kese universe, right? And so I ended up figuring out what the fuck does that mean. Like, that was just a great one. Thanks for leaving it there for us. We're trying to figure this out for over 100 years. But so he threw that out there for us. And then people have been trying to decode this thing.

And then so people kind of created this vortex mathematics where you see that it sits outside of this like looping thing. What else does that mean? I don't mean anything either. But then Fibonacci, it created this Pizano mathematics, right? And inside of it, inside of the Fibonacci, you end up seeing that it goes through these 24, these cycles of 24. So it goes like one through 24, not the number sequentially, but there's like 24 iterations. and then it reloops itself every 24, which is the other pattern. Our day is 24 hours, which is interesting.

And so every fourth number inside of Pisano mathematics is a 3, 6, or 9. It's interesting that 3 show up at the first set of numbers. So like the, you know, you go 1, 2, 3, and 4, and then it's 3. And then you do it again at 4 at the number 8, the 8th cycle, and it's 3 again. Then you go to 12. And then it keeps going. And so you, at 12, it's a nine. And then in the afternoon, it's six and six, and then it's nine.

So you end up seeing that these gates open up. And you're like, okay, so every noon and midnight is a completion cycle, because that's what nine means, right? In the afternoon, it's about self. And then being able to understand what's taking place. And in the morning, it's about depth. So number three is about depth. Number six is about self. And then number nine is about completion.

So you go through these and you see where they map themselves out. Then if you plot them to a clock at 4 a.m., which is when the Tibetan monks start to meditate. When Dr. Joe dispens it does his penial gland meditation, you start at 4 a.m. Right. And so it literally maps to the same 4 o'clock, right, which is kind of coincidentally interesting.

Then you got 8 o'clock, right? That takes place. And this is kind of like when this arcadian rhythm and your body starts waking up. Like even if you were awake at 4, your body will start to adjust itself to like the sunshine and everything that's taking place. So it's like, oh, well, that's 8 o'clock.

Then at 12, you know, noon you have like a similar window again. That takes place, but that's around the 9. And then at the afternoon, you do it again, you prepare yourself for bed, and it's this whole cycle. So a lady today, she was like, I've just been at setting my alarm at 4 a.m. You know, and I just show extreme gratitude. She's like, since this has happened, she had like this major catastrophe in her neighborhood with like tornadoes and all this other stuff. Ever since this happened, all of a sudden we got funding in her neighborhood. You know, ever since I just started showing gratitude for like things being fucked up, having gratitude for me not having money.

She's like, I have now have more money. things have been healthy like I've been healthier it's like I have never seen this kind of transformation in my entire life since I've been in the community for the last three weeks just crazy another lady she's uh she's like a sound healer and you know she's always wanted to go to these like big venues and do things and she got invited in no in four days of being in the community got invited to Carnegie hall to literally do her thing wow yeah it's crazy that's awesome yeah four days in four days in Yeah, and so it's like that's the miracle academy. Like you can literally create these miracles and you would think that this isn't possible,

but then you start decrypting like all of the firmament, what I call the firmament. That's the prison that you've created for yourself based on all of the generational patterns and things along this lines. And then once you break the firmament, you crack through, all of a sudden it's just like divine light. You're just stepping into it all the time. And it's just a beautiful thing for whoever you are. And that's, you know, the way you would go about reconnecting the 14. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. So cool, man. That's so cool. It's so fun. Yeah. It's just, it's been everything. Yeah. Yeah.

That's got to be, I mean, I feel rewarded when I help somebody on their health journey, you know, like, man, I lost 20 pounds. I feel great or whatever. You know, the thing is, you know, that it's like that the miracle, miracles are miracles. Miracles are miracles. Yeah. Yeah. And then you just make them normal, right?

And then when one sees it, the other sees it, and then we all see it, and everybody's doing it. And all of a sudden, like, they're kind of like the Simpsons game, right? You know, and the Simpsons, like, you can get, people to believe something so much that they start to create that reality together, right? Revelations is happening right now, right? It's like, oh, we all read it. It's all thing. Let's get a billion people locked in on this thing. Now, boom, like we're converging to this. You can also unwrite it and write a whole other thing. Like we have been historically for the last

2000 years, been playing a game that was written 2,000 fucking years ago and have not evolved religion. We are lightly evolved spirituality because we question ourselves. We have lightly evolved, what it means to even be a human being, you know, but we got all this technology evolving around us, you know, big cosmic joke saying, ha-ha, like, we're better than you. And now we can give ourselves away to it, or we can actually turn around and say, okay, like, what are we really the kings of? What does this really look like? And how do we evolve this based on all the gifts we've been given? I love that. You know, you brought up a piece on the technology. Yeah, earlier, when you were talking about rewriting or doing something, like when somebody does something so heinous to the system that,

you know, everything else sees that, then that person learns the lesson not to try to fuck with the system. I've been paying attention to like the transhumanist movement, things like that. And somebody used AI art. I'll have to find it somewhere buried in my safe stuff. But like it was three videos, I would say, I had to stop watching them. But they were depictions of the future. And did you ever read Nick Bostrom's book, Super Intelligence? No, no, I have it actually on my. On my. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good book. It's great for different lines of thinking of work.

could go, you know, and famously he talks about the paperclip AI that, you know, only knows to make paper clips and does it at all costs until there's nothing left but just, you know, trillions and trillions of paper clips. Yeah. As like one example of AI going awry. The videos on Instagram show like the transhumanist movement to its fullness of like what it looks like to tackle perfection from a rational only thought process. Yeah.

And using, I mean, like it's just like this, it just becomes like this digital. orb, you know, with little nanobots, like walking on the eyeballs, like everything's fixed. Everything is perfect. Everything's re-rendering itself. And, you know, and there's no humans left. And the consciousness knows every, it's learned everything, all math, all everything, but it has nothing to share it with. It's basically, you know, unified in a way that's not the monad. Yeah. But, you know, in a different way. And I was like, I was so disturbed by it. But it dawned on me, you know, when you were speaking about that, you're just like, oh, that art came through that person to show us where that path leads one potential, right?

And that's a totally separate timeline that we're not going to experience. But it was gifted to us, you know, from source to say like, hey, for everybody that thinks they're going to upload their consciousness into a machine. Yeah. That's a trap. Don't do it. You know? Don't do it.

And that won't even work anyways, you know? So it's a beautiful thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's what's so cool about being a human is like we are these beautiful quantum machines that can create all possibilities. Like all is true, right? Which is weird to think.

So all is true. And then so you can, and the imagination can create all the other possibilities, you know, the vampires, the versions of aliens. And now here they come, right? It's like, oh, we created the reptilian. Here it comes. We created the thing. Oh, here it comes, right?

And so it's so cool to be able to see that, that all things are true. All possibilities are true, right? The transhumanism thing is going to the transhumanism route. We can do that. And so somebody has played the whole damn thing out. That's awesome, right? Cool. Let's not go there, right?

And so what's interesting about AI and technology and social media and videos and being able to get on YouTube and all the other things is that we can cascade all the realities and immediacy. We can then look at it through a lens and be like, I don't want to do that. Right. And we can do that around like a two hour window, one hour window, 30 minute window. And then we can be entertained by it, enjoy it. And then go and like, okay, let's let's go this way because I know what that might look like. Right. And I think that's the most beautiful thing about being a human being is that we can do that.

Yeah. It's freaking epic. It is epic, brother. It's been an epic podcast. Thank you so much, brother. I appreciate you. I love it. I love it.

Thank you. Thank you. An honor to just be here. It's been great. My pleasure, brother. This has been great.