Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #47 Mind Pump

Episode Date: August 20, 2018

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And then I doctor it up. I'm probably drinking yerba mate more than any other tea. But when I need something in the afternoon and it's too late to have the high caffeine from yerba mate, king tea comes into the equation. It's absolutely my favorite tea to have in the afternoon and evening. Go to onnit.com slash podcast and get 10% off this rare Kenyan King Tea. Who we got today? Mind Pump? Mind Pump. Oh yeah. My buddies at mind pump some pretty cool guys we got sal de stefano adam schaefer and justin don't know his last name i do know his last name it's not coming to me though that's okay pull it justin andrews there we go ah got it and doug doug's my boy too doug is there and you should know his name ryan giles because

doug does for mind pump what you do for me brother he's an important man uh so yeah i i took a trip out to california and interviewed the mind pump guys in their studio unfortunately we don't have video for you so there'll be a still image of justin bent over in a thong working with a steel mace uh that we'll have as the background for the youtube video the entire time this plays if you're to watch it um be a highly invigorating uh still image of justin andrews but yeah i always enjoy my conversations with mind pump i tend to say fuck a lot now now a lot of people have brought this to my attention over the last year as um uh well as i've as i don't know how to put this without sounding like an egotistical asshole but i guess as the show has

grown there we go i can say as the show has grown um more people have tuned in. And a lot of people, if there's one knock, say that I curse too much. And so I've noticed this, that I curse a lot more when I'm with Mind Pump. And I think the reason for that is it feels like I'm just hanging with the guys. And oftentimes, that's the case. I try to create that vibe similar to Joe Rogan, where it's just a cool conversation. People loosen up and they're a little bit more candid. They open up and talk a bit more intimately. But there's no trying with Mind Pump.

I can just sit down and shoot the shit with these guys. And they have a wealth of knowledge on all things. Sal loves to go down the rabbit hole. These guys love to have a little cannabis before the show starts. And there's nothing wrong with that. I've microdosed some other supplements that are not legal in California at different times. Not sure if I did for this podcast or not. But long story short, these guys are awesome.

They have a wealth of knowledge. They have an awesome podcast, Mind Pump, Raw Fitness Truth. They have been said to be the Howard Stern of fitness. I don't know who says that, but I think it's Adam that coined that term, but I really do like that because they're raunchy, they're raw, they get to the point, and they dispel a lot of bullshit in this game. And there's a ton of bullshit in the fitness industry so anytime i have the opportunity to have these guys as guests or if i have the opportunity to go on their show the answer is yes i absolutely love these guys i know

you'll dig the podcast thanks for tuning in yeah exactly dude well and then it was oh you guys all you guys all chatted about that he was talking about fibonacci sequence and fucking egypt and he's like maybe these guys knew he's like he was talking he's telling his kids this right so he's kind of explaining it to his children about maybe you know if you look everywhere on earth like it's in nature it's in all these things but they built the pyramids in line to orion's belt like everything is to the fucking the correct degree of longitude latitude everything's in tune and he's talking about fibonacci sequence he's like and maybe maybe these guys got a download from higher consciousness from another plane in different dimension or a different planet then i was like hmm all right greenfield all right son you're

watching aliens well here's a different thing for a lot of Christians. Well, here's the thing. I think when we see these ancient cultures and they seem so fascinating to us, we tend to disregard humans' ability or man's ability to sit there and observe for generations. And humans do a pretty damn... When you leave us alone for a long time and we're bored

and we have nothing else to do or we're hyper focused on something we can come up with some pretty brilliant shit and we don't need high technologies and you know aristotle it's like you know to to stop and then just focus on a topic and try and figure it out and just like riff with your friends like that's what well the concept of atoms that's what. Well, the concept of atoms, that's what they came up. Yeah. Concept of atoms. Crazy shit. But even,

even, you know, beyond that, look, I'll tell you what you could take, go into prison, go to prisons. And arguably you could say that prisons probably have some of

society's, you know, most challenged individuals, right? And they're not typically people you would consider with, or a lot of people with super high Q or super high achievers a lot of trouble a lot of issues whatever these motherfuckers figure out wait there's entire economies that have been designed within prisons that are highly like like they're trying to stop them from doing stuff they can communicate with each other

they can trade currency currencies they could trade drugs. They know how to, I mean, they can get messages. They're trading cigarettes and butt play. It's a great movie. Cigarettes and butt play, too. I don't like part two. Part one was good. Part two gets a little deep. Yeah, it's a little deep.

It's too deep. Yes. Oh, man. But Adam's like, yes. Painfully. Painfully so. Adam's like, blood in, blood out. Tell me you guys watch.

Why can't I think? Tosh. Tell me you're a fan of Tosh. I've seen him before. Huge fan. Yeah. Huge fan. I love Tosh.

His humor is like it goes further, further, further. See who can finally lose you guys. Lose you. Yeah. It keeps getting worse. But yeah, people, you know, we keep underestimating humans just because they were around a long time ago. And we think, oh, they didn't. How could they possibly build these things?

And how could they possibly predict the, you know, the constellations and the stars and the seasons? Well, they fucking observed them for a long time. I mean, the Romans were able to engineer stuff that the aqueducts, till this day, some of them still work and bring water from the Alps down to southern Italy. With no modern plumbing or pumps or electricity, they were able to engineer them to the point where it was downhill at such a small degree, but the water would continue traveling all the way down from the Alps all the way down to southern Italy. I feel like ouruits just changed. Now we're trying to figure something else out. I have a real problem with the idea that this is the smartest, most intelligent version of man we've ever seen.

No way. Right? It's so fucking egotistical to think that this is the furthest we've ever come i agree this is the best it's ever been no one's ever been smarter and everyone prior to us is fucking you know retarded for lack of a better word there's different there's different levels of intelligence or different types of intelligence too yes so maybe we're the we're the most evolved or technical or like technologically there could have been different technologies though clearly but when i read like stoic philosophy and you hear the words that come out of those dudes mouth it's like or you read the words that came out of their mouth it's like i mean that was that's so far ahead and

i feel like someone so many of those messages need to be read today and not enough of it's being sent around it's like that's so long ago yeah before the way before we started recording or maybe we were you guys were mentioning how you know that for example, say things like the earth is 6,000 years old and all that kind of stuff. Not all of them. I don't want to discredit all of them. Not all of them, but some, right? There are some. My mother-in-law.

Yeah, and you have a tough time. It's a slight jab to mom. Throw her under the bus. But you know what? I'll say this. She's listening. Throw her under the ark. I'll say this.

Under the ark. I'll say this, though. The brilliance in some of the crux of the philosophies of the Judeo-Christian religions is mind-blowing. And I'll go a little deeper. Up until those religions were kind of established, and even afterwards, it took time for some of the stuff that was taught in those religions to really get implemented. The way that humans lived was pretty fucked up. It really was. Like if you were stronger, bigger, you had more power control. Some people were considered special while other people were considered garbage. And it was accepted. It was totally accepted. You had kings and queens and rulers and tyranny, all these other things. And then all of a sudden you have this belief system that says that each individual has a soul and that soul is special and it's made in God's image,

regardless of how poor you are, how rich you are, male, female, regardless of, you know, how smart you are, whatever, that there's this special thing about you and that you should be respected and treated a particular way because of that. Now, it didn't get expressed fully for a long time, but it is the thing that created the modern Western civilization, which for all intents and purposes you want to talk about like societies that that tend to uh value equality of treatment that tend to value you know individual liberty and all that stuff it came from from from those beliefs and that's fucking brilliant and that's what's brought us to where we're at today and humans are we're not perfect by any stretch of the imagination it

definitely hasn't been expressed perfectly and it still isn't but that's that's a very fascinating brilliant way of thinking of things that i think doesn't get enough uh like credence or attention like that's insane there's that's because also at the same time there was the slaughtering of millions of people that didn't follow suit and agree to that like hey you believe differently we'll give you the opportunity to believe our beliefs but if you don't you know well we can set you on fire or whatever you know like yeah i mean i mean there's there's pros and cons to all the things i think it's it's it's interesting to look into the past and see the beauty in these things and to see kind of how it's brought us to where we're at today but also to think like i love graham

hancock like let's think that think that maybe there's a possibility. Let's just plant the seed that we had highly intelligent civilizations prior to the last ice age. And now we see evidence of that with him and Randall Carlson. And we see a lot of evidence, not just with Gobekli Tepe, but everything they're talking about how with the end of the last ice age could have been an asteroid or comet striking the northern ice cap. And we see that through nanodiamonds and the whole northern west coast. Oh, I see water erosion in the phoenix in Egypt. These giant fucking boulders. Yeah, exactly.

That's caused by rain. Well, what could have caused that? Great floods, right? And every culture has a story of a flood, right? That's pretty fucking cool to think that way, right? And they keep finding new, you know, ancient civilizations. Like they just like uncover them as like in the ocean or, you know, underneath like earth that they just like, they just find that,

that predates like history. And it's like, it's really hard because like you get, you know, scientists that are so focused on like having this established timeline and it's, it's like, okay, now what the fuck do we do? Like, what do we really know, you know, about this? Well, and that's, I just, it just gets us to think outside of the box, right? And so if we're thinking about things in,

the biggest issue is that what these guys are going up against is ideology. It's more or less something that people want to cling to. This thing that they've taught, it's in their fucking textbooks and it's very rigid. So when we go against the grain, like all these egyptologists that are like no that's not what happened it was wind and sand and they're gonna hold on to that

but it's it's how important is that maybe it's not that important but if it means that this flood did happen and that you know atlantis did go underwater and all these other things are our actual possibilities it just opens us up to a new way of thinking about what our past is. Yeah, I think the thing that makes us special is also the thing that fucks us up as humans. And it's this ego, this arrogance that we tend to have. And we discovered the scientific method relatively recently when you look at human history that we know of at least. It's a relatively recent discovery, the whole scientific method of coming up with a with a hypothesis and testing it and you know measuring it and the objectiveness of it and it served us well in many different respects but now it's like we're so arrogant in the sense that that is becoming our dogma it's becoming our religion to the point where um i think it could

definitely kill us it almost did it almost did during the Cold War. I mean, our discovery of nuclear power, which was an incredible breakthrough and has the capability of creating more energy than we could ever need, also created weapons that could destroy us at any given moment, which still exists. They're still out there, which is weird.

It's so strange that we have... Imagine having something in your house like, hey, kids, this button over here blows up the whole house and kills us all but i got it here it's fine i gotta yeah i made it keys i made it so just leave it there and to think also like we go through our lives we're fucking doing this and we don't know what's fake news and what's not but there still is a nuclear arms race in the world right now like people are still mounting up in preparation for world war three like countries are fucking putting shit together at an alarming pace on purpose just to be able to say fuck you us you're not gonna fucking say what we can do well what scares what scares me about nuclear weapons today um because in the past you know the we i mean uh

people don't a lot of people don't realize this today, but we had nukes pointed directly at us and we were pointing nukes directly at the Soviet Union. And several times we came within a hair of nuclear holocaust. Literally, there was one incident where it was a submarine captain that decided to not pull the trigger and it was his decision even though his superiors were telling him to do it because they had this false report that the u.s had launched nukes had he gone and done what they said we wouldn't we wouldn't be here right now or at least most of us wouldn't be here right now so there were we came very very close but the thing that kept us from killing each other was that mutual destruction, that guarantee of mutual destruction.

So you're not going to drop a bomb on someone if you know they're going to drop a bomb on you and everyone's going to die anyway. And that's what kept us safe. Now, what I'm afraid of is when you put that power in the hands of people who don't care, who don't care if they die. In fact, they're willing to kill themselves just to kill you.

And we're seeing that now with some of the, you see that with suicide bombers and stuff like that. Sam Harris has talked about that. I think they talked about it in Homo Deus, you know, and just like the ability to start strapping these things to, with little floaty guys, drones, you know what I'm saying? Like when you can make something smaller and more mobile and fit it into places you never could before,

that's where we can have real issues and play areas where we never would have been able to bring them in before. Or I mean, if it could be a launch, they could just drop one with the intent of getting a reaction. Let's shift positive here for a second, though. Nuclear war. We're all going to die. I was just going to ask you about the elephant on your shirt. with the intent of getting a reaction. Let's shift positive here for a second, though. Nuclear holocaust.

I was just going to ask you about the elephant on your shirt. Did you guys? The elephant is awesome. This is a black swan yoga shirt. It's a psychedelic elephant, but we won't talk psychedelics again. I know we're tired of that conversation. I could save that, brother. Anyways, did you guys hear, is it, she's not Steven Smith.

Um, what's his name? The, the head of vice on Rogan's. No. God damn it. What's his name? Pull that up for me, Doug. Um, he was talking about, he's a fascinating dude, but he's talking about this kid who created a nuclear reactor in his parents' garage.

I think it's 17, right? He's like a, he's like a, a wizard. And so everyone shows up at the parents house like he shut down the entire grid electrically like he could he could um whatever uh whatever it's called like you're not refined refined uranium or whatever you know where you where you make make your own i'm messing this up sorry that i sound like uranium he basically he made his own nuclear reactor is what he did. And so everyone showed up, the feds, all these people at his house.

His parents are like, what are you talking about? They go in the garage and they're like, oh, you did it. And then they figure out he's not a terrorist. So now he's working for the government naturally. Let's bring this brilliant mind in. And one of the things he was talking about is he can take the used, these reactors that fail, like what happened in Japan. one of the things he was talking about is he can take the used, you know, these, these, these reactors that fail,

like what happened in Japan. And you can take them and make them in a tiny blocks that are basically the size of like a handheld battery. And each one of those can power a city for 10,000 years. What? Yeah. So like there's enough used stuff that's going to go bad on this planet already to power

the earth, the entire earth for the next 10,000 years. And not just first world countries, all the third world countries like India where they're still burning cow shit that's releasing more methane in the air, like clean energy for 10,000 years. It sounds too good to be true. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm just saying like a lot of people are backing this kid.

Tesla's or not Tesla. Elon Musk is backing them. Bill Gates is backing them. Like a lot of people. It feels like the beginning of a sci-fi movie. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm just saying, like, a lot of people are backing this kid. Tesla's, or not Tesla, Elon Musk is backing him. Bill Gates is backing him. Like, a lot of people. It feels like the beginning of a sci-fi movie. You know what I mean? We are in the beginning of a sci-fi movie. What are you talking about, man?

This is it, dude. We got drones everywhere. I agree with that. These little blocks. It's called the Tesseract, right? Isn't that the one that you saw? People are having conversations, and it's going straight into my ears while I drive my mechanical car.

Tell me you went and saw Ready Player One. It was so dope. Right? It was so dope. Might have had some substances we won't mention while watching that. Yeah, it was such a great movie. Oh my god, dude. I could see us being like that. That's scary. Yeah, yeah. I really believe that we're going to have this

where VR is going. I don't know if you saw this. I don't know if you watch sports or not. If you're watching the games and NBA playoffs right now. And last night I saw the kids at the Intel has got the VR goggles. And there's cameras all along the baseline and the court sideline of the court. So you get to be like on the court and watch the game, dude. So you get front row seats VR to be able and watch the game dude so you get front row c's vr to be able to watch the game and i'm thinking like dude we're this close to attaching micro cameras on each athlete and

everything like that to where you get to live their perspective like it is going to be so fucking cool to be plugged in because you don't got to be your boring self who goes to work every day his nine to five and hates his job and has a terrible relationship this fucking the the virtual reality world is going to be way cooler way cooler yeah did you ever see duncan trussell post this this um this uh mock-up of what it'll be like i think there's a term for it where it's like enhanced reality so like basically like the google glasses you throw on right and as you look through it you get a heads-up display and it shows you your bank account and it's all done with points right so like however it's all one economic system and you can choose to take jobs like hey i'm gonna pick up groceries for this old lady on this street and that's gonna give me so many points or i can go

you know run an errand for this other person. Or I can drop off somebody at this location. And there's all these things that equate to points. Like minority report. Yeah. But it's like a livable reality that's all interconnected 100%. Well, isn't that what they're doing with the internet of things? They're starting to catalog everything and giving it some sort of a value with that. But I could see them kind of turning that into an economic thing like that.

That's interesting. Yeah. So everything's playable at that point, right? You have all these. It's like the mini missions. Which makes sense why China's going in that direction already. Have you seen what they did in China? Which scares me.

I'm still scared about this. This is a national program. So this is put out by the People's Republic of China, the communist country, where you get points. And you get points for what you buy, what you read, what you write, the people that you hang out with or whatever. You get the score. And that score determines how much your loans are, prices you pay for things, special treatment,

whatever, including the people you hang out with so let's say i have a really good score and you have a bad score and we're really good friends that'll lower my score well i take some of that score because i'm i'm i'm leveling up i hang out with somebody that cooler that's cooler than me that's a good question but uh the thing is it's controlled completely by the the central planners and they have all these cameras with this very sophisticated facial recognition technology. So they were showing pictures of the video where people were just walking down the street. People were just walking around with their scores above your head.

Yeah, and the cameras automatically pick up who they are, and there's a little score walking around. Think about how bad that could go. Yeah, like you're already in school systems, like I'm not going to hang out with that weird kid. Now you're like, I'm not going to hang out with this loser with a low score. Well, I could totally see. There are thoughts thoughts on that's gonna drive everybody up though i think i think that's what the thought is if it's all yeah it's so competitive oh man it's so competitive

you can manipulate it at any moment you know somebody in the government that could just like a programmer could just change your number it's like some illuminati shit yeah totally it's like that episode on black mirror if you guys guys ever watched Black Mirror on Netflix? Where they have to fuck the pig to save the princess? No, not that episode. Jesus Christ. That was a terrible episode. That was a dumb episode.

Of course you fuck the pig. It's to save a human life. Yeah, take the Viagra and get to it. People think Viagra is magic. I don't care how much Viagra I take. I would not be able to get a boner. I'd fuck a pig to save a human life. Think about that.

The princess would be indebted to you, too. I'd fuck a pig to save a human life. Think about that. The princess would be indebted to you too. I mean, what are you going to imagine while you're doing that? I think you have to finish. I think that was one of the stipulations,

right? You just lost everybody who's ever watched a Viagra episode. Everyone's like, what? We're fucking pigs now? That's a little far.

That's fucking weird. Yeah, it goes far. But yeah, I think, who's to say that at some point the Chinese government

doesn't throw everybody in jail? That feeds right into the video game thing. I mean, think about your score for doing good things. Good deeds will raise your score. If you do bad things, it's going to lower your score. It's going to be really interesting in the next. To me, it looks like 10, 15 years away.

There is zero privacy in that world, though. I think there's a strong pushback for people wanting to unplug, wanting to be in nature, and wanting to say, fuck all that. There's going to be a huge divide. There's going to be a divide, 100%. But do not be surprised when there's a lot more on that side. Yeah. No, no, no. We're heading that direction.

We're already there. We're already there on our fucking phones right now. Right. You'll see the unattractive, dirty people who are unplugged, And then you've got like the genetically modified tech advanced super race or whatever. Sounds like a sci-fi movie, but it's probably going to look like that. You know what I'm saying? People with really straight teeth. That's what I love about sci-fi.

It's all this big foreshadowing and it's a warning of like where we could go with all this, you know, knowledge and technology. It's last night I'm at the game, dude. And I'm sitting literally like right off the court how'd they do by the way oh we lost it was terrible are we out let's not no okay no all right no my bad but what i'm blown away and i saw this at the youtube concert saying like i'm just so fascinated by how many people are on their phones during so i mean this is like for for me at least being a big basketball fan and love and to

be able to be in that experience that close to the game during a playoff game that matters so much I like I don't move my seat like I plan my food my bathroom break before I saw because I want to like I just want to experience every bit of it but people are so we're getting so fucking plugged in that I'm everyone who's sitting around me is like videoing it and texting it and instagramming it the entire time and i'm like that's so crazy to me that's that's the that's the look at me how cool i am i'm at the fucking warriors i get it right i get why they're i get why they're doing it but it's like social points it's it's about the that experience and you're really losing that experience by being still plugged into the phone the entire time i'm like wow that's we care so much about virtual us and what everybody else thinks of us that we would we're

we're wasting our time doing that versus sitting in the moment and enjoying something that some people will never experience their entire life like that's fucking amazing right but no we care more that's fucking scary i feel like we're we're going to see some major negative ramifications of all of this. And we'll learn our lesson like we typically do if we survive. But there was a quote that I read. Did I read it? Somebody said it a while ago, and it really resonated with me. And it's, be careful of unearned wisdom. And I think that the current age of technology and ease of access to information and quick gratification and all that stuff really, I mean, it really resonates with that particular phrase. And I can always bring it back to fitness because I think fitness is such a microcosm of life, but it's also so black and white. And I can always use analogies with fitness and it tends to make sense to people.

If I took somebody who wanted to lose 50 pounds and get fit, and if I could just snap my fingers and give them that, would they derive the same benefits as if they worked towards that goal the old-fashioned way, as if they changed their behavior? They'd gain it all back just like somebody who wins the fucking lottery and is broke a year later or five years later or in debt because once they had all that money they decided they could take out more loans and their credit score went up so their fucking credit cards went up you know what i'm saying like they lose it all look at the

biggest loser yeah or even if they didn't even if I had enough magic to say or whatever, magic pill or special scientific formula that they lost the weight and never gained it back. Would they have the same benefits and the same character and the same understanding as someone who had to change their behaviors, had to go through the challenges of changing their food intake, getting up and working out and feeling the pain and learning about their body, would they have the same benefits? Would they still derive the same fulfillment, meaningful, you know, meaningfulness and happiness? I think no, not at all. And of course, people listening, some people listening like, well, I wish I could have that magic pill, but that's kind of what's happening with technology. It's like I get to connect with, you know, I could go on a date right now. I could read whatever information I want without having to go through the steps of

learning it. And, you know, I could, you know, take this medication and get into this particular state of mind rather than taking the time to meditate and, you know, disconnect or whatever. I feel like we're in that, we're going to be entering into a phase here where we're getting everything that we want. And then we're going to realize that now that we have in that, we're going to be entering into a phase here where we're getting everything that we want and then we're going to realize that now that we have everything that we thought we wanted, it wasn't what we really wanted. Really, it was the means to the end isn't the end. You know what I'm saying? It's that

path to get there that you learn. Look at... The alchemist. Yeah, dude. You've been doing... How long have you been training jiu-jitsu? Shit. Since 2008? Yeah, so a decent amount. 10 years. So 10 years of Brazilian jiu jujitsu shit 2000 since 2008 yeah so a decent amount 10 years so 10 years of brazilian jujitsu you're you're at a very very high level now imagine if you know 10 years ago you could snap your fingers and have all the skills that you have now would you would you

still be the same person or have derived the same benefit you know it's that's those trials and tribulations it's learning how to get your ass kicked. It's learning how to change your ego a little bit. It's learning the process, learning the challenges, all that stuff. There's so much that you get from that that is probably maybe more valuable than even the skills of jujitsu themselves. You know what I'm saying? Well, it's character.

Yeah. And that's all the things that you take that you can extrapolate from the mat outside of that into life. Totally. Like that's what you gain from that. It's not just, and same thing going back to your analogy, the weight loss. It's not just, you know, having the weight off and how you feel and how you move. It's everything that you worked position and go through that and do the thing you maybe don't like as a means to an end with getting to your goals, how that factors into everything else you do in life. So it's about sacrifice.

I could say pretty confidently that the skills that you learn doing jujitsu or the fitness, the end result of the fit body that you get from working out is actually less important than all the other shit that you learn going through the process if you really had to weigh it out right if you really had to compare the two i think those skills that you have where you could defend yourself and kick someone's ass choke someone out whatever probably not as important as all that other stuff that you learn during that 10-year process of sacrifice humility humility like i remember i mean i love jujitsu for this because it's one of those and hard work and being rewarded for it when you put the hard work in right that's it that's just it like one of the things i love so much about jujitsu is such a technical sport that it's one of the few combat sports i can think of where i mean size and strength always matter

so people say it doesn't matter it does matter but it's one of the few ones where it doesn't matter nearly as much as the other. So like you could go into, you know, if you're in a boxing, you know, ring and one guy's done it for three years and another guy's only done it for two months. But that guy's done it for two months is like 60 pounds bigger and athletic. They've got a chance, right? In jujitsu, you know, you'll have a little bit of a chance because you're big and strong, but you're going to get your ass kicked. So you got to learn to kind of dissolve your ego a little bit or some humility. It's like, those are the lessons that are the most important. I feel like as technology advances, we keep

wanting the end result. We keep wanting the end. I don't want the process of learning. I just want the answers. I don't give a shit about the other stuff. But that's not the point. The point is that I told this story. I had to do a speech at the Spartan. But that's not the point. The point is that I told this story. I had to do a speech at the Spartan race. They had a Spartan race up here in, God, what was it? Up in Patterson, I think it was. And they wanted me to talk to all these racers. And I was thinking, like, God, what could I talk about that would resonate with these people?

And I told a few stories. And one of the ones I told was just a personal experience. You know, years ago, I had a wellness facility in Los Gatos, and maybe a mile away was Good Samaritan Hospital. And I used to train a lot of doctors and surgeons and nurses from there. And they had a gastric bypass program there, or at least people with gastric bypass would go there, you know there before and after type of deal. And sometimes they would send me patients. And sometimes people would come to me to lose weight to get gastric bypass. Believe it or not, a lot of people don't realize this, but sometimes you go in there and they say, okay, in order for you to get this surgery, you have to lose 20 pounds first.

You're talking about the lap band. Not lap band. They actually bypass your stomach so you're left with a stomach about the size of like what i'm doing right now which is maybe like the size of your thumb or something like that so you don't have this big stomach anymore you have this tiny pouch which forces you to lose weight and so i would get people and i had uh these two clients uh right around the same time not exactly the same time but right around the same time, not exactly the same time, but right around the same time, one guy came into me and he came to me after he had the procedure. So he gets the procedure. He had about a hundred pounds to lose. And he came and saw me, I think it was like three months

post procedure, had already lost something like 40 pounds. Maybe it was two months, like 40 pounds already. And when you have this procedure, what happens is you have this little tiny stomach. And if you try to eat too much or more than that pouch can contain, you'll vomit. I mean, you just can't, you're literally forced to lose weight. So this guy came to me, I had the procedure, I've already lost, you know, 30, 40 pounds. I have another 80 pounds or something like that to go. And, um, you know, they recommended that I come train with you, you know, come train with people or, or, or get some kind of resistance training and exercise. And so he hired me and we trained together and I trained him, I think three days a week. And, you know, he'd show up late to his session. Sometimes he wouldn't show up at all. He, he, he wasn't really in it. I think he

was just doing it because his doctors were really, you know he do this. And he did lose the weight. It didn't take very long. Again, you're forced to lose weight. You can't eat that much. And we worked out for a little while, and then he kind of dropped off. He wasn't very serious about his workouts. I didn't enjoy training him because I could tell he didn't want to do it. And he kind of dropped off.

Now, here's the crazy thing. A few years later, I'm at the grocery store next door to my facility, and I see him, and he gained back a lot of the weight that he had lost. This is like three years later, I'm at the grocery store next door to my facility, and I see him, and he gained back a lot of the weight that he had lost. This is like three years later. And I go up to him and, you know, hey, what's going on? And, you know, same kind of negative attitude, whatever. And you can literally, with a small pouch of a stomach, you can, if you're determined, stretch that fucker right out. Right back out.

Yeah, and you can gain the weight back. And so he was very, obviously, very determined to do so. I think that happened a lot. And that was it. Now, I had another lady that I trained who came to me to work out before she had the procedure. And I've had a few clients like this. And my goal was to hopefully be able to show her that she could do this without the procedure.

Not that I'm anti-procedure. I understand that there's certain applications. And for a lot of people, it saves their life, literally. But my goal is always, let's see if we can change the mindset that caused this woman to be over 100 pounds overweight. Let's see if we can really get in there and change her relationship with food and exercise. And so that's what we did. And one of the conversations we had was, you know, I would ask her, well, why are you doing this? What's motivating you, whatever. And she says, I just want to lose weight so I can be happy. And I had this whole conversation with her, tears and

everything, where I told her, I said, you know, in my experience, I've been doing this for a long time, is you have to learn to be happy first, and then the weight comes off. It's never the other way around. People who think they're going to be happy from the weight loss actually find at the end of it that they're still empty, and they don't achieve that, and then they run into some problems. And it really resonated with her. Anyway, she decided not to get the procedure. Over the course of two or three years of training, and she had over 100 pounds to lose, she only lost like 30 pounds.

That's all she was able to do at that point. But incredible changes in character. And most of that 30 pounds, by the way, was like the last year of training. So the first couple of years, she didn't lose any weight at all. But she showed up on time. Hell of a trainer.

But she showed up on time. You know what's funny? That's what people would say. That's old. When I first became a trainer, I would have said I was being a failure because I didn't get her to lose the weight right away. But I realized later on that that's not people would say that's what i would that's old when i first became a trainer i would have said i was being a failure because i didn't get her to lose the weight right away but i realized later on that that's not the real important thing like i want to be able to get

someone to a point where they can be fit and healthy and find fulfillment for life and i knew that yeah i could get you to lose weight right now but many times that doesn't give us the long-term success and you know you can look at statistics. The drop-off rate's ridiculous with people who do it that way. But she came in. She showed up consistently. She was very lonely. She was kind of a hermit. But then she made friendships with people in the gym.

I invited her to the Christmas parties. And she changed, fundamentally changed as a human being. Lost 30 pounds after about three years. Then she moved and I lost contact with her. forward a few years later she finds me on facebook we you know i friend or whatever we start talking she ended up losing all the weight she uh got engaged so she had a relationship and she was an entrepreneur in fitness and this was like a lifelong change. And the difference between the two people was that she found the value in the process. And the other guy just wanted the end result. He just wanted the weight to be gone. And that was it. And what he discovered at the end of

that was, I still feel like shit. Like I still don't feel happy and in fact when you look at people who get these procedures uh the the rate of of alcohol abuse and other types and drug abuse goes up quite a bit after they get the procedures because it's like you take away their coping mechanism and now they can't overeat so now what do they do and so it just highlights that whole thing that that i think as humans we you know we we focus so much on the end goal like that's what's important and it's not that's not what's important the the the journey is the most process gives you purpose yeah if i could fly you to the top of mount everest and just drop you off at the top isn't pushing for that end result is what is evolving us too right yeah yeah it is so it's this it's this you know what it is it's like if you if you're a

self-aware person and you push for that end result and you put in the work and the effort as you start to get there you start to realize that it's not about the end result you start to realize like oh shit look at all this stuff that's changing about me that's really making the big impact and really changing my life in in meaningful ways did you guys ever see the documentary I Am? No. I think I did. It's awesome. It's with the director of Ace Ventura Pet Detective and he directed Liar Liar, Bruce Almighty.

I mean, shit tons of money. Even just from Ace Ventura alone, he bought his first house in Beverly Hills and then he got a second house that was ten times bigger and better and then he got a third home and he said as the movers are bringing all of his shit in, all of his stuff before, as they started unpacking all of his boxes, he's sitting on this giant staircase at his most ridiculous mansion in Beverly Hills. And he realized he

still wasn't happy. So he travels the world searching for what is happiness, how to, you know, every different different culture how they cultivate that and ultimately it's what you're talking about it's finding peace now finding meaning now and finding pleasure in the process not in the end result but everything that you do all the work that you have going into this thing so that you enjoy each day you have to keep a little bit for yourself every fucking day it can't be i'll be happy when and you have this date at the end when you can fill in the blank on that like i'll be happy when i have a million dollars i'll be happy when i lose 100 pounds i'll be happy when i have

this other person who loves me you have to fucking love yourself and you have to love what you do each day you guys change your perspective is what it is i just i just shared this on mind pump the other day i remember coming home from work. This was just a couple weeks ago. And I'm calling Katrina and I'm just fucking frustrated with like lots of shit. There's all kinds of shit on our plate. Always, man. I'm like his scapegoat.

Right. So I'm upset, right? And she's the one I can vent to and she can help me gather my thoughts. And I love that about her. And I'm talking to her and I'm kind of venting and she, and she waits until I finish. And she's like, would you want it any other way? And I'm like, I just stopped. And I thought about that for a second. I'm like, you're so right. Like if, if this was easy and anybody could do it and I could just do it and it would be, we'd be moving along. Like It'd be no fun. The struggle is really the fun part of all of it. Otherwise, what's it all fucking for?

So I think you just got to learn to flip that. But it's tough when you allow things to affect you emotionally. Something triggers something in you because of an old pathway or something, and then you get angry or upset. The problem is we have blinders on in the present moment. We can't see. And Anahata talks about this. You know, we have, everyone has a blind spot,

some more than others, right? And as we open our perspective and are able to see, oftentimes as we look to the past, we have greater viewpoint, right? We can see things from different angles and say like, oh man, that really rough time was challenging and stressful, but ultimately was beautiful because it led me to this place. Right. So it's easier to see with greater perspective as

we look behind us, but in the moment, that's the key to welcome the challenge, to welcome the stressor, to know like, yeah, I just loaded an extra plate on the bar on each side. It's going to be a lot harder coming under the hole, but with that will equal much greater gains much greater success much greater drive to get me to where i want to be and also just to fucking appreciate that in the moment dude it's like remember the scene in the matrix when uh neo not neo uh what's his name morpheus was was caught and he's sitting there and agent smith is like you know the original matrix we created a perfect utopia for humans. And it crashed because people were just, they couldn't believe it or whatever.

It didn't work for humans. I honestly think we are wired. We are not wired to find happiness. We are wired to find meaning. There's a big fucking difference between the two. I'll give you a good example. People ask me all the time, you know, when we do the show uh many times uh you know we'll talk about like our you know what happened the day before or whatever and many times we have

stories about our kids justin and i will talk about our kids which seem to really resonate with our audience which i find fascinating but obvious when you think about it and so i'll get messages all the time like hey do kids make you happy is it are you happier because you have kids and it's like well that's the wrong thing to ask because kids are expensive they they are stressful nothing will nothing will stress you out and and make you paranoid to think about things like kids nothing will make you self-examine like kids and nothing challenges you like having kids but do i have more meaning and fulfillment you better fucking believe it but my life is exponentially more challenging with children if i had no kids right now my life would be a million times easier i'm

sure you could relate you know 100 it's like a mirror it's like looking at yourself and all your deficiencies and like what you hate about yourself or what you you just see it visibly like through your kids and like how you interact with them and how they react as a result of how you're interacting with them and if you can get on a level where you understand like oh wow like when i raise my voice this happens or when i approach them with this you know type of energy this is the result i get and it's just it's such an educational process that it's it's mind-blowing but yeah it's another growth it's it's it's really tough i mean it's it's there's no like butterflies and shit like people people can make stuff up about making like

the whole process of it seems so magical and amazing and happiness it's hard it's fucking hard work but it's fulfilling that's what makes it that's what makes it fulfilling you know years ago i had this argument with uh one of my employees and we were talking about what really motivates people to do a good job. Why do people show up to work and dedicate themselves and do an excellent job? She was telling me, oh, paycheck. It's got to be the paycheck. You pay people more or whatever. I was like, that's so not true. Some of the hardest working people I've ever met in my entire life were volunteers. If you've ever been

to a charity event or you've ever met someone who, I had a friend that was in the Peace Corps, and you don't make shit. You live like you're poor and many times the conditions are terrible but these people feel extremely fulfilled.

You meet missionaries, people who do things for their church or people who donate their time for a cause that they truly believe in. It is hard work. It is grueling. They many times get sick, many times get parasites because they're in these third world countries. You talk about, what's his name, who does the water foundation, the ex-MMA fighter? Justin Wren. Justin Wren. Talk to him about how difficult it is when he travels to some of these countries and how many times he's gotten a parasite, how many times he almost died. But you look at the man, and he emanates fulfillment and peace.

It's that peace that he feels. And that comes from, I think, it comes from challenge that is worthwhile. You know, like, okay, here's something that means something to me, but it's hard, but I think I can do it, and I'm going to push myself to do it, but I believe in it. And you do that process, and sometimes you're angry, sometimes you're sad, sometimes you're joyful and happy. Those are all emotions. You should feel all of them. People who think they're supposed to be happy all the time, you're joyful and happy. Those are all emotions. You should feel all of them. People who think they're supposed to be happy all the time, you're deluded. Like that's impossible.

You can't feel happiness without sad. You have to have that contrast. Otherwise, what is happiness without sadness, right? You're going to feel this wide spectrum of feelings. So stop judging the fact that you're not all happy all the time. Just look and say, am I fulfilled have do i feel like things are meaningful i mean we just did these live events which we're going to start doing more of and shout out to taylor our our media guy i know he hates it when we call him that i don't know what to call but

he came up with this idea where we do this tour where we meet our fans and basically do like a live show in front of them and so we were all trying to wrap our brains around like, okay, well, I know it's going to bring value, but what's it going to be like? And so we get to meet these people in person. And these are like real hardcore fans, drove hours just to see us. So they've listened to all our episodes

and they really love what we have to do, what we have to say. And so we do our live show. And then afterwards, we get to hang around for a few hours and talk to them. And boy, let me tell you, the stories that these people are telling me about you know hey sal that thing you said about your divorce and when you were going through that and that helped me through my divorce and it changed my life or hey i already said we had no fitness right yeah nobody was telling us about well some people were saying like oh i changed my relationship to food i

used to be anorexic or i used to be even that i don't count i don't even count that as yeah fitness really i mean that's or relationship stuff even count that as fitness. Or relationship stuff. Adam talks a lot about his relationship with Katrina and people are like, oh, that really helps. Anyway,

I'm hearing all these stories and sometimes there's tears on both sides and I leave that and how meaningful what we do is just exploded. I mean,

if I never got paid no more money i would do this forever 100 knowing that and feeling that and understanding that and also how much growth i think you know we all get from doing this podcast and meeting awesome people like you like that's worth more than a lot of money for sure you know what i'm saying but boy does it take a long time the irony is how many people we met and we know this right from our own experience and the people that we continue to talk to when when you finally reach this crazy level of success is at that point when it's no longer you don't even care about that piece you're you have figured out the well you went through it you learned it through the cannabis industry right I mean what was that like for you because at one

point I'm sure you had more money than you what to do with. Well, there was this, for me, it was like this, nobody could have came in. And I know there's somebody who's listening right now that will not break through to, because I was definitely like, I could listen to this podcast. I could love all of you guys and be like, don't fucking matter. Don't even matter what they're saying, because I'm on my train. I'm on my plan. And that, of course, that's the child brain of mine, right? Being connected still to what I went through and what I wanted for myself. And I

was determined to do that. And so I think it was necessary that I reached a level where- To get everything that you thought you wanted. Right. Like all these, which we joked about this earlier today about my quad that sits in my living room, right? He's got a quad, a $15,000 quad. You guys are fitness guys. I was picturing like somebody's thigh. Like Dorian Yates.

Just one leg. Reconstructed leg. The very first Mr. It's all golden. Eugene Sandow's quad. It's in a glass case. The irony, it's like it was the first most expensive thing that i ever wanted as a kid as a child you know that i that i couldn't have and that i i worked so hard

to get there and then when i i buy it and then look at it it says it just collects dust inside my living room right and and many other things i did like that and once i kind of gathered all like i i went through everything like all the I checked off everything in my head as a kid growing up that I put possibly want the cool fucking car, all the nice stuff, going to the coolest places, doing all the craziest things. And once I kind of did all of it, like the story that Kyle shared with sitting on the top of the stairwell, I remember just kind of sitting there and, you know, going, man, I'm actually, if I really am honest with myself and I evaluate where I'm currently at at this moment with the money and things around me, I'm not at my happiest. And when I started to reflect back, I thought of times where I was happier and it wasn't directly related ever to what was going on financially with me. And so that was really what set me off. And that was, at that point was when I was like, I've never been so fulfilled as I was fulfilled

when I was in health and fitness. And it wasn't until I left it, did something else, completely chased the money thing. And then to make me realize that to the point where I said, okay, cool. I'm in a position where I have enough money saved up that I don't have to go work for anybody else. I can try and piece this together for myself. And then I began, I began trying to, you know, that's the first day that I turned on Instagram and I had my bootcamps running and I was like, okay, I'm, I'm going back into fitness. But then this time when I was going back into fitness, it was different because even when I first started fitness as fulfilled as I was, I was still chasing the wrong thing. I was chasing the end result. I was ultimately, I wasn't doing it for the clients then. I was

doing it for myself. I just happened to find something that I love to do and was fulfilling me while I was making more money. But the real goal at that time was me chasing a level financially where this and everything that we've done in the last four or five years, my whole thought process is completely different. And because of that, it's funny, we're on our way to having the most success we've ever had in our lives. Iron ironic. Yeah, right. Not caring about it. It's so ironic. And it's funny because when you're talking about fitness, for example,

the people that I've encountered, I've been doing this for over 20 years, Kyle, professionally in fitness. And I know a lot of people in the fitness industry from gym managers, trainers, salespeople, CEOs of large fitness corporations, fitness celebrities. I've met tons and tons of people. The most, hands down, hands down. And anybody who's been in fitness for longer than five years will agree with me 100%. The most insecure people I've ever met, the biggest problems with body image and eating disorders I've ever seen are people that when you look at them, they're shredded, in my experience, people in the fitness industry who, for all intents and purposes, if anybody were to look at them, would say they must be super secure with their body. Look how hot they look. Look how amazing they look. I was one of those people.

I would get muscular and shredded, and I'd take these designer steroids that you buy over the counter and do all these horrible things to my body. And at no point was I comfortable in my own skin. At no point was I, did I feel fulfilled with what I was doing because it didn't, you know, it's a hole that you're trying to fill. And what you don't realize is you're trying to fill it with something that will never fill that hole. And so it ends up deep. And it is a, let me tell you something.

That is a shitty situation to be in. It reminds me of people who try to fill their this emptiness inside of them with drugs or alcohol or sex or consumerism. Probably the most common thing, especially in modern Western societies. We have so much wealth that people try to consume, consume, consume. Or food. Or food. consume consume or food or food you know and they're trying to fill this this emptiness inside of them only to find that it's not working and so what the next thing they do is they fill it with more it's not working fill it with more not working and then they die they kill

themselves you see this all the time i tell you what if money fame and beauty were the answers which everybody thinks that's what the answer is. Everybody thinks that's what's going to make them feel good and fulfilled and have meaning and happy and all that. Then you wouldn't have the incredible dysfunction that celebrities have. Celebrities have a ridiculous... If you look at divorce rates, higher in celebrities. You look at drug abuse rates, higher in celebrities. Suicide rates, higher in celebrities.

These are people who have the fame. They're obviously good looking. That's why they're famous They have the money But they're fucking miserable And I think the reason why they're miserable Is because they think that that's what they wanted Now they have it

And then you're like Now what? Like what do I do now? So the question is You know What is this emptiness that I feel inside And how do I truly fill it And I don't think it's anything material I don't think it's anything that you it and I don't think it's anything material.

I don't think it's anything that you can buy. I don't think it's anything you can take. I think it has to do with the things that you can't buy with money and the things you can't I think there's some things that are tangible. Well, that's Maslow's hierarchy. You know, like yeah, you need a fucking roof over your head.

You need food. You need clothing. I'm talking once you have all that. I'm talking about what you have all that. There's a certain, yeah, there's base levels. I still think there's even more than that. I think, okay, I'll give you an example. My shoes, right? Or my snowboard. Like these are things that, you know, after even I've put all this together, I still enjoy

these tangible things because they feed my soul in a different way. Like it's different for you than it's just shoes. Right, right. It's different for that. You know just shoes. Right, right. It's different for that. I have a connection to them since I was a kid. I love shoes and I also love snowboarding. So I have a nice snowboard and I like to ride because of, I mean, that's one of the best times for me, being on a mountain all by myself and riding down. And so the ability to be able to buy that and afford to do that,

it does still fulfill that way. So I don't think it necessarily means it's never about things that could cost money or wealth. Well, let me ask you this. If you didn't have the relationships that you have, if you didn't have Katrina, if you didn't have what you're doing now with Mind Pump, would you be able to find the same fulfillment from shoes? No. Probably not. No, no, no.

And that's what I mean. What you see a lot of, what a lot of people suffer from is that, that they don't have those other things and they're trying to find meaning by buying a lot of stuff and by doing other things. The truth is this feeds those things. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? This, because of this, otherwise I wouldn't be indulging in those things, right? If we'm saying this because of this otherwise i wouldn't be indulging in those things right if we didn't if this wasn't providing the means to be able to do those things that fulfill me in other ways i i wouldn't be doing that right and that's why what they do that there's a few studies that they've done on like like uh if people spend their money on things versus spending their money on experiences, how much greater the reward is on experiences? So rather than taking $1,000 and buying a new piece of tech or whatever, and it depends on the individual, but just as general, right?

It's a study. Take that $1,000 and then go on a trip somewhere instead, and people get way more out of it just from the experiences rather than having you know i think there's a lot to be said though about you know earning and going through the process and the grind to um appreciate things and i think that you know one of the pitfalls that when you get celebrities where they they get like this influx of of revenue and this this money coming in that's just way more than they're used to. They start spending it in things that, in ways that they just, they've always wanted to do it, but it's, you know, it came so fast that it doesn't feel like,

it just feels like paper money at that time, where like, you know, going through the process. Well, it's like you skip, it's like they skip the steps. Yeah, skip steps. Yeah, so it's like you don't appreciate it the same way where it's like the value that you've created with this money you know and then and then applying that to something is like a level up yeah it's you just it's almost like when you get the game genie for you know video games i remember that right it's like you get all the fucking superpowers right there it's like you get all the fucking superpowers. Nintendo throwback right there. It's like you get all the superpowers at once.

Yeah, it's fun. It's great. For a second. It's just like, fuck, I just skipped all these levels. What a great example. I'm an asshole. What a great example. It's so true.

Did you ever watch The Twilight Zone when you were a kid? Yeah. Okay. It's one of my favorite. I fucking loved the old Twilight Zone with all the twists and shit that they had. There was one episode that when I was a kid. I love this episode. Oh, man.

When I watched it as a kid, it was like, it fucking shocked me. It was so different than what I thought. And the way it starts is there's this bank robber and he's running from the cops. And cops are on his tail. He turns around and pulls out his gun. They shoot at him. He shoots at them. And he gets hit.

And next thing you know, he wakes up. And there's this man in a white suit standing there. And, you know, looking real angelic or whatever. And he's like, hey, welcome. You know, I'm here to take care of you. And at first he's real, you know, he doesn't think, he doesn't believe the guy or whatever. But anyway, he ends up convincing him. And he takes him to this, like, this beautiful, luxurious hotel room.

And he ends up proving to the guy that the guy could have anything he wants he goes look you can have anything you want and he says well yeah we'll bring me three dames and you know it's an old show right so they said dames bring on three dames three of your best three hot girls alcohol like whatever he wants then he says bring me to the casino brings him the casino gets on the craft table rolls the dice boom seven rolls the dice again boom seven he's like oh my god i fucking love this place and the guy in the white suit's like hey call me if you ever need anything but you know here we go you know you do whatever you want so then fast forward it's like a few months later

or whatever and this guy's sitting there you know slumped over the craft table hasn't shaved in a while hair is all fucked up and he looks disheveled and the girls are hanging on barely throws the dice out and the girls all you know all over him and he's trying to you know have a debate with the girls but they agree with him every with everything he says and he throws the dice and he wins he throws and he's like this sucks like there's no challenge there's no risk like every time i throw the dice i win every time this place sucks so he calls back the dude with the white suit and the guy comes back and he goes, yeah, how can I help you? And he's like, this place is terrible.

He goes, every time I roll the dice, I win. Every time I say something, these girls laugh. He goes, I need challenge. And the guy says, well, if you want, I can make sure you lose every once in a while. Just tell me when. And I can make sure that the girls. He goes, nah, that's not the same. He goes, I'll know what's happening.

That's not the same. He goes, I want like real challenge, real whatever. And he says, you know. He goes, how'll know what's happening. That's not the same. He goes, I want like real challenge, real whatever. And he says, you know. He goes, how could this be heaven? He goes, I didn't imagine heaven would be like this. This is terrible. And the guy looks at him and starts laughing. He goes, who told you this was heaven?

And it was just like, holy shit, man. What a great like parable and story form. But, you know, bringing it again back to fitness, that's just obviously our field. I think when people start to realize that the path and the journey is what's important and it's not the end goal, when you go into your workout appreciating the workout, appreciating the challenge, when you're eating your food and appreciating what it's doing for your body and appreciating the food, you never have an issue with stopping or quitting or being on the wagon or off the wagon. I'll never stop exercising, not because I got to my fitness goals or I want to keep to my fitness goals. I love the process. I've already gotten to that headspace. If you're only learning to get a degree, what happens after you get your degree? You want to stop learning. That happens to a lot of people, right? A lot of people. I'll never read again. Yeah. But if you have a love for learning, then you'll never stop learning. And I think it's that

mental shift that people need to, they need to make that shift to start to realize. And the irony of it all is you end up getting all the things that you thought anyway. Like if you start to realize. And the irony of it all is you end up getting all the things that you thought anyway. Like if you start to enjoy your work and find meaning in it, you'll probably make more money than you were making before. If you start to enjoy the challenge of fitness or the challenge of whatever you're doing or the learning process and the growth process, however difficult it is, and you find meaning in it, you'll end up getting all the other stuff that you thought you wanted but the cool thing is it won't really matter at that point you know what i mean and i think that's the big you know that's the big lesson at all true yeah love it bonus material yeah i'm done preaching no you're not i'm gonna keep this preach going

yeah so so i wanted to ask you guys this i think you asked me this last time I was on, but Adam and I were chatting before the show. Who have you guys had on recently that's blown your fucking mind? And I want to jump on to some other shows. Just who have you guys had on mind pump, but also could be who have you guys listened to on someone else's podcast that just fucking fried you? Well, you're one of our favorite guests always.

You quit buttering my nuts. No, not really. Not really. I'll be honest with you. You quit buttering my nuts. No, not really. Not really. I'll be honest with you. If we thought you weren't that cool, we'd tell you. When you leave, though, not while you're here because you're a pretty big guy. We'll get you on next year. No, you're –

We'll book until the end of the year. I think we really enjoy talking with people that we feel chemistry with. In other words, this conversation would be happening if the mics weren't on like when you find people like that those are always great guests paul check always blows us away he was a he's such a fucking great time we had we interviewed him at paleo and you know we're all smoking a joint and paul is standing up and jumping and screaming on the mics and just so animated and he goes off so deep into the weeds that you forget what the original question was and sometimes it doesn't make sense but then he brings it back right and hits you with some it's like a ride it's like a ride with him dude it really is like a ride you just got to sit

back and enjoy it yeah uh ben greenfield was a great episode that was probably one of my ben greenfield was so ben we're all really good friends with ben in fact uh ben was one of my, Ben Greenfield was, so Ben, we're all really good friends with Ben. In fact, Ben was one of the first people that really kind of showed some love for us way back when we first started. Like, I mean, and a lot, we had a lot of his listeners listen to our show also. So we got a lot of love for the guy and we spent several podcast episodes in the past with him. And I'd never really felt like we'd fully connected yet. There was this

kind of awkwardness still between all of us and you know just ben's a different guy you know and so it took a while for us i think to really connect and we have in the last couple times we've hung out and this was the first real podcast where i felt like like we have this dialogue like we you we're so comfortable hanging out with you that we're all friends. Again, like Sal was saying off the mic, we would be having the same exact damn conversation. And so I think that was the first time I felt that way truly with Ben, and it was fire.

I mean, it really was. We went all over the place, and it was really neat to hear his thought process on a lot of different things. I think some of our old episodes, people that impacted us, And, you know, it was really neat to hear his thought process on a lot of different things. I think some of our old episodes, people that impacted us. I remember interviewing Dr. Terry Walls, which wasn't the greatest podcast necessarily. And it opened kind of difficult because I think she thought we were like these bros or whatever. But then she realized halfway through like, oh, no, these guys are really interested in what i have to say but i remember her her communicating about the importance of eating certain vegetables and a variety of them and how important it is for the body and after that podcast all of us dramatically

increased our consumption of vegetables and it's like i take it i think i think sometimes we take for granted the changes that we make in our lives after we meet someone and talk with them and that i remember that remember we all went home and we're someone and talk with them. And that, I remember that. Remember, we all went home and we're like, I'm not eating enough vegetables. Oh, we all made this like, okay, I remember for a solid two months, it was like the main thing I'm focusing on is six to eight servings of greens, and then I want to evaluate how I feel. I remember that.

No, you're right. I think everybody impacts us in different ways. There's certain guests and people that I think each of us probably enjoy being around. That's what I think what makes MindPump so fun and different and unique is that our interests are really, really different. I love hearing guys that have gone and built something far greater than anything I've built share with me their journey and their process through building a business that large. So I love that. I love those conversations. Yeah, I feel like we seek out a bit more of ways to humanize. So we bring people on that know a lot of shit and are mind know, in their field. But to kind of tie that into more relatable subject matter, you know, for our audience,

I think is something that we've really tried to do. And like even something like tarot, I was going to say for me, it was fascinating because I just didn't know that much about mushrooms, you know, and like, I remember listening to on Joe Rogan's podcast, I forget his name, but he's like very world renowned for his, you know, work with-

Paul Stamets. Paul Stamets with his work with mushrooms. And just because it's like the importance it plays, you know, in the environment and the ecosystem and, you know, like Tara was also describing ways that, you know, there's certain mushrooms that actually can take like, like radiation and, uh, eliminate, uh, purify it somehow. And like, like, uh, plastic even eats plastic. And I'm just like, wow, nature is so fucking rad, you know? Yeah.

You just don't, you don't realize what's around you. And I think that when there's moments like that, we'll bring a guest on and they kind of highlight areas that, you know, in your environment or the way you think it's just like one little thing like oh wow i didn't even realize that and it's right underneath my feet yeah it's sometimes we'll meet people and it's like right away you're like oh dude we're gonna be best friends like max lugavere like that yeah dude he's fucking amazing fucking love that guy he's so good super smart but also uh very humble and super down to earth and just got a great energy about mike matthews mike matthews fucking love that guy he he's got the darkest sense of humor me and him me and him go back and forth oh i'm not even out of control

these guys delete them because if i ever get in a car accident someone finds them finds them they'll think that we're just the worst humans on earth but But he's got that sense of humor that I like too, that real dark sense of humor. Super smart guy. Great family man. Of course, we talked about Ben Greenfield, Max LeCouvier, Tom Bilyeu. Here's a guy who started the first fitness supplement company or food company to reach a billion-dollar evaluation in a very short period of time. I don't remember how long it took, like a few years. And so he's a super ultra successful guy, but now is so driven to do something else. And also just such a giving, like opens his house to us, opens his arms to us, totally humble, totally like anything you guys

need, I'll help you guys out. His wife, Lisa, just phenomenal people. So we get to hang out with those people. And I love it because I'm sitting around a dude that built a billion dollar company. There's going to be some brilliance there. And he's an open book. He'll just answer whatever questions you have. So he was pretty awesome. I'm trying to think of some other ones that really blew us away yeah i like i like that we're going a little bit into the entertainment world too and like finding certain people like drama was really fun for me just watching him growing up uh you know robin big and um just to realize that you know he actually has a lot going on outside of that like it's very business savvy and um i just appreciated that he was a good dude and like very smart.

And obviously they don't highlight that on the show. Like they give you a totally different perspective of people. And it's, I think that's, that's always rad when you can meet somebody that actually impresses you more in person than, than, you know,

what you've seen. And then, and then we find to have people like Ben Pekulski who has, you know, what a cool guy to talk to you. If you're like super into just the fitness part of our show, right. Ifolsky who has you know what a cool guy to talk to you if you're like super into just the fitness part of our show right if you're hardcore you know bodybuilding have you met have you met yeah i met ben at paleo effects and and he totally blew me away he always you know

you look at him and he's just he's a fucking he's a pro body minded he is jacked he's jacked to the gills but he was talking to me about um i forget which talk it was that i did and i had one of the one of the people who had come up had seen me talk at paleo effects came up after and i think we were at um this little meet and greet that john durant put together uh author of the paleo manifesto and and um venture capitalist for a lot of the paleo startups an awesome dude but so he puts us together and one of the ladies was there and she was picking my brain on what's appropriate for children. What are the ways we can archetype this modern male that should be the correct archetype of a male? Because we had talked about this on your show about the death of the American male panel and got into that. And Ben was awesome. He was sitting

there listening in and obviously this lady kind of interrupted our conversation so she jumps in and ben was talking about how his four-year-old son he's having him do muay thai and i was like really you know i've considered having my kids learn striking and you know more geared towards jujitsu but why muay thai and he's like well in muay thai you have balance and coordination, same things you'd learn in gymnastics or jujitsu. It's humbling because you do get to practice. But at the same time, you learn sequences and combinations. So you're training mathematics, right? You're training this one, two, left kick, right knee.

You know, you're training all these. And I was like, fuck, dude, I never looked at it that way. That makes perfect sense. And how important is that for children, not only to learn to pay attention, to hone their skills, but also that mathematical application of movement tied into it. And it was, you know, again, that was just one of many things. Of course he would go that way too, because that's what we listen to him talk about movement. He's he's very mathematical about all of that that too which i really was drawn to that i found him when i first got into competing i just kept running into all these knuckleheads i was just one after another i didn't care how badass they looked like none of them had anything for

me to offer to me everyone kept telling you asparagus and tilapia yeah yeah literally i was like oh my god please god there's got to be somebody. And I come across Ben and I start diving through his stuff and I'm like, fuck yeah, finally somebody who's speaking some really good information out in this space that I think is just polluted with garbage. And we hit it off right away when we hung out. So he's another great guy. And he's also very successful business wise. Because that's another thing too, a lot of times you meet some of these people that are celebrities on or social media celebrities. And you think that because they have 500,000 or a million followers that, oh, they must be killing it. And I get people inbox me all the time. Oh, how was so-and-so? And I'm like, well,

I guess they were cool, you know, but I didn't have a lot to get from them. You know what I'm saying? They've, they got famous on social media for doing something or whatever, and they're really still learning how to build a business. They're making money right now because, yeah, if you have hundreds of thousands or millions of people following you, you could by default make some money off of it, but a lot of them aren't that savvy. You start to learn that they say don't judge a book by its cover.

Sometimes you can, I guess, but a lot of times you can't. Like Ben Pekulski, great example, massive pro bodybuilder, super intellectual, super spiritual, very self-aware individual, definitely not the stereotype of a meathead. We meet these social media celebrities, these YouTube stars, who seem to be super extroverted, super outgoing, super charismatic on video. You meet them in person and they're introverted and they feel very anxious and awkward and whatever in real life.

All the quirks come out. Oh, yeah. And they'll even say it. They're like, yeah, when I'm on camera, I'm on. When I'm off, I don't like to be around people and I don't like to whatever. And I keep seeing that over and over again with, you know, with some of the stuff we do. Jordan Harbinger was a great person to podcast with.

He's a great guy, by the way. Cool, cool guy. He's been doing it as long as anyone, right? For a while. He's very polished. But have you met Jordan? You guys had a dinner here at San Jose back in the day. We went to the fish market.

That was the first time that we met him. Oh, no way. Ben Greenfield was there too. Yeah, Greenfield was there. Ben Greenfield was connecting all of us. Oh, wow. Yeah, we were hanging out with you, and Ben came in,

and Ben brought Jordan Harbinger. And so that was the first time for all of us to meet. He was still with Art of Charm at that time. He was. But to watch him, he's a great guy otherwise so outside the podcast is super nice guy very cool guy but you get him on the podcast and he's brilliant like he's just the best podcaster that i've ever worked with the way he

directs the conversation the way he he you know tells stories to illustrate his points. Oh, his transitions. Like he's very – You start to realize like there's a real – I hear this about – and you've been on Joe Rogan. So if you've experienced Joe, and I hear Joe is like this where people don't realize how much – The work. Yeah, the work he puts in to be really good at his craft. I think a lot of people just think he's a cool guy or he's funny or he's smart or what that, but I hear he puts in a ton of work.

Well, Harbinger is another example of, I think people listen to him and don't realize how smart this guy is and how much work he has put into his craft. And he's again, like some of these guys we've met that are really cool that are an open book. So you can ask him questions like, oh, why did you say that? Or why did you go this way? And he can tell you. There was a, for a while there, we had trouble with our interviews.

And when I say trouble, I don't mean we were terrible, but they weren't, we didn't get in the same chemistry flow energy as when it's just the three of us. And it was kind of difficult when you had another guest in the room. And something I asked Jordan, because there's always that issue, like if, especially if you're starting up, if you're listening, you're starting a podcast, you know what I'm talking about? You have a guest you invite in, you, you're listening or starting a podcast, you know what I'm talking about. You have a guest you invite in. You're talking to them, and then maybe you disagree with them, or they say something that is controversial, and you want to confront them about it.

But then you also feel like you need to be polite because they're your guest. Because you're a host. They're on your show. You're the host. So what do you do? So you end up sounding like you're giving them a handjob the whole time or like you're pumping them up or pumping his tires. And I talked to Jordan about that, and I'm or, you know, pumping his tires. And, uh,

you know, I talked to Jordan about that and I'm like, you know, sometimes I disagree with people and stuff, but I feel weird about how I bring it up and stuff. And he, and he said something that was obvious, but it made total sense.

And he's like, look, you're recording your show for your audience, not for your guest. So go ahead and do that. Worst case scenario, they get pissed off and you have a great episode anyway, because you know, there's this's this conflict on the show.

And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right. I would do that in real life. I'm the kind of person that if I'm talking to you in real life and I disagree with you, I'm going to tell you. All of a sudden now I'm on the podcast. I got to be super polite. I listen to podcasts differently now than I did before we started. You asked earlier if there's shows that we listen to now. I don't even listen to full shows, but I do people like jordan like stephen crowder joe and i i just

drop in to just listen to them like i'm so into how and of course because this is our craft now right so i'm i get excited to pay attention and listen to these little things that these guys do and pick up on that. Like I, I like that. So I, I listen now to podcasts totally different than how I would listen to it before or before I was trying to consume the information that they're, they're. Now you're listening to like become a better podcast. Yeah. I'm listening to the flow of the conversation and the transitions and just the cadence of how they talk and, and the pauses, like all those things I think are. Lately I've been watching a lot of a lot of like what I consider compelling public speakers on YouTube

to learn how to be truly effective when speaking to a large audience. One person in particular I've been watching a lot is Jordan Peterson, which I've brought up on our podcast a few times. I think I brought it up on the one where you interviewed me. And when you watch him, he's very different. He's a very different public speaker. But one thing that he does very well is he talks to individuals in the audience. And you can see he'll make that. You can see that with the eye contact. Yes.

And he talks about that. He says, you know, when you're talking to a group of people, you're not talking to a crowd. You're talking to a group of individuals. So talk to those individuals. And when you're answering a question or when you're making a point, look at one person,

make that point because then you can get feedback. Now you're having a conversation rather than talking to this huge thing. So I've been watching him speak. You know, I like his information too. I think he's got some very interesting stuff that he says,

but I also, now I'm watching more to see how he does, how he communicates. And he does that very well. And sometimes he'll look down while he's thinking, but then he'll make eye contact with someone and make a point. And I'm like, oh shit, that's really powerful. The other thing I'm learning from watching him and other speakers is the ability and comfort with silence. So many times when you're talking and you know you're being recorded

or you're in front of a crowd, you're terrified of not filling space. Like I need to keep talking. And one thing that really good speakers do is they'll stop for a second and gather the thoughts so that they can really say what they're going to say in a concise way.

But it also adds a little bit of drama to the speech or to the talk where it pulls you in. It pulls the whole audience in. Yeah, and I was like, oh, shit. Like, that is really effective. There's definitely an art to that. There is, and I find myself sometimes in the past, and I'm doing better at it now. Now I'll pause if I have to gather my thoughts. But, you know, trying to fill that space or whatever,

get rid of that, pause for a second, it's okay. And you'll be much more effective at what you're trying to communicate because of it. And it's just something that I just started to pick up on. It's funny how you can continue. And it's funny too, because for years I taught sales to people in fitness. I would teach sales training to salespeople at 24 Hour Fitness and I would teach it to other general managers. One of the first lessons that I would ever teach a salesperson was, listen, use your ears and mouth in proportion. Listen twice as much as you talk. So that means you don't have to keep talking to sell someone something. Listen. And then the second thing i would say is when you ask

a question shut up and let them answer because sometimes when you sit down for a sale and you ask the person the final closing question you know which option do you prefer and then you stop if that person is thinking about their answer a amateur salesperson can't stand that 10 15 20 second period of quiet and they end up like waiting and then they'll jump in and be like well you know you could go with this one or if you're thinking about it and they fuck up the whole sale it's like oh shit it's the same thing when i'm on the podcast or when i'm talking in front of a group no need to feel that you know fill that dead air that's it you had to toss in the hot the fucking potato there i love it though the same thing goes in

comedy you know like you guys will take they'll have a a break to take a sip of water and you see it with like you know the guys the opening acts they're kind of there's always like that awkward transition where they're kind of you know like laughing at their own joke and you know that reminds me of and they just like can't they got to roll right into the next thing yeah or the timing's a little off but it's all mastery of craft how have you i mean you guys are fucking that it's it's different for everybody that that's getting into podcasting because most people might do one a week that kind of thing you know obviously with the on it podcast for once a week and i started that way prior to coming on it you guys have really advanced at an accelerated pace because of the fact that

you're pumping out so much stuff and you know you guys are at six episodes a week now five five podcasts a week i think we're on episode 777 i thought you guys were doing like a saturday show as well or no we got five shows a week on the podcast and every now and then we do a bonus and then in addition to that we're dropping three to five youtubes every week too though which are completely now different like there's it's not mirroring the podcast those are those are you know brand new fresh content that's completely different right so i you know it's like anything else like anything else that you become a master at okay how many hours did you put into jitsu before you consider yourself fucking really good right it's i think that's just it's a it's required i i think it took over 10 000 hours

before i was a good trainer you know i was a shitty trainer for 5 000 of those hours for sure and on my way to becoming better but before i think i was really a true master at it really great like i think that you got to just you got to put that time in and i think we pieced that together early on i remember when we first lit the mics up we all 100 agreed like this is not this was not something that we would do and i didn't think that we were fucking great but what i was excited about was i really i think we all really enjoyed it and we all we already knew about each other as far as the way everyone was growth-minded that we would all get better it was like okay we know we're going to get better because if this is

something we enjoy and we're already passionate about, we're just starting, and we all are so growth-minded, I know each of these guys, which is exactly what we all saw. We saw week over week, we weren't really talking much about the guest and this and that. It was really about our own craft. Like, I don't like when you do that or when you do this or that. Oh, that was really good. I love when you guys bring that up. Or we were always very critical. We would sit and criticize each other after each show. Oh, hardcore. Every time. You're a real piece of shit when you talk about that up or you know we were always very critical sit and criticize each other after each show hardcore every time and I think that's why piece of shit when you talk about

that yeah yeah for real we think that's why people go back because it literally is a timeline like you can see the progression of each of us individually what like everything that just happened in our personal lives um just what we were going through that was struggles that we faced on the podcast or you know trying to get better at something it was just like we were going through that was struggles that we faced on the podcast or, you know, trying to get better at something. It was just like, we'd talk about it and we're an open book about it. And it's, it's interesting because we literally did treat it just like, you know, we're trainers or we're working out. Like it's just reps. Like we just got to keep getting after it. And we just know that we could get better.

I started to piece it together when we would do when we would go on these trips to podcasts. Right, right. And we'd go to LA. So true. Or we'd go to Paleo FX. And what we do when we go on these trips, the goal is to get between two to four, usually three, podcasts a day while we're there. And we go to these events because there's a lot of speakers and people there. So it's easy.

Everybody's in one area. Or when we go to LA, there's a lot of podcasters in LA. So it's easy. Everybody's in one area. Or when we go to LA, there's a lot of podcasters in LA. So when we go down there, we can usually book. Fish in a barrel. Yeah. Five or six over a course of two or three days.

And you know, we used to, we'd call it podcast hard. And in fact, we have the hashtag now podcast hard because of it. Cause we'd go and we would like, and you would think that we would get tired and get worse. But the reality is the second and third day, we were always way better than the first day.

And that first day, we were as good as we were when we left. So it was like advancing at such a rapid rate. And I know we'd come back to the studio. Which anybody who's ever snowboarded, skateboarded, any extreme type sport has experienced this like if you were like a weekend warrior where you just went on once or twice on the weekend every once in a while versus if you ever took a trip where you went for a week and you rode like every single day anybody who's ever done that can relate to this like and i remember that as a kid you know it's just it's that flow state you get into that flow state and you get into it easier yes and you progress so much and so we kind of hacked into

that i know i noticed that this paleo effects because we had five podcasts for on it in the week leading up and then a couple during and then five in the week that followed and another two after that and it was just like all right these next two weeks are going to be a clusterfuck i don't know if i'll keep up but i think i can and then it was like it just got fucking easier and easier and easier as it went through. And thankfully we had some really great guests in that time period. So we could extract the most from those experiences. But I want to take it back to that first Palo FX that you guys brought me out to a year ago. You guys are talking about being growth-minded individuals. That was the

first time where I spent every fucking waking moment with you guys you know and to see that how your minds worked constantly refining constantly seeing of what's the next step to grow the operation what are the different avenues you can go down there's no doubt you guys have it dialed in on the type a go go go what are the ways that you guys unplug yourselves and fucking find peace and just take a deep breath and say all right i've hit that two weeks hard. I podcasted hard. Now I got to fucking rest hard. You know what's funny?

So I think it's a blessing that I have kids and Justin has kids because if we didn't, we'd all be like Adam. It's so true. It's so true. I would have us fucking camping here, bro. Well, I think all of us would want to. Well, yeah, we would. We'd have bags under our eyes and just our skin would be gray.

Yeah, and so we're kind of forced, right? We look like our boy Tom Bilyeu a bit. That's why our boy Tom. We'll get up at 2 a.m. That's why we connect with him so much because it's like, yeah, he is 100% grinds hard. No, I think it's, you know, we sprint is what we do. So we sprint real fast for a short period of time and then i'm like i want to spend time with my kids i need to and

then the other thing too is i just got i got divorced a couple years ago and i worked so much and so often while i was married during that whole 15 year period that i 100 acknowledged that that played a big role in my divorce i definitely was half of the equation there. She wasn't perfect herself in other ways, but for sure I contributed because I was fucking gone a lot. I was either working a lot or because I was thinking about work all the time. And I love work and I can definitely get into a space where that's all I do, but that's not a good thing. And so because of that, we will bust our ass. We'll work really hard. And then we'll make sure to take time. And like when we're here at the studio and we don't have, like we're not on a trip or whatever, we're out of here by 2.30, 3 o'clock.

So by 2.30, 3 o'clock, we typically will leave. I'll get to pick up my kids from school, which is so awesome. I get to do homework with them. I get to make dinner. We hang out. I make sure to take a few trips every year, short ones, and then maybe one longer one that's five to seven days or whatever. And I tell you what, it forces Adam to take one too. This is the best thing.

Honest to God, if we didn't do it, this motherfucker wouldn't fucking do it. But it's good, right? Because then we do it, we come't fucking do it but it's good right because then we do it we come back and we're like rested and and we feel fresh and we feel um energized and like all right let's do this again but in the past man it was just pure balls to the wall all the time and in that state of mind i would have thought there was nothing wrong with it but on the outside of it i could see like we're probably more effective the way we are now. And maybe we'll grow slower as a result of it.

But I don't know if that's a bad thing. Well, we don't care about that. I mean, that's the reason why it works. And it's for sure a struggle. It was more of a struggle for me when we first started. Like it used to drive me crazy that we worked five days a week, fucking nine to two, bro.

I mean, we built this thing on nine to two. We really did. And which is cool to say that we were able to do that and, and have this, because I think we have an incredible balance of that. I mean, everybody in here is been somewhere vacation wise recently or done

something really cool. I mean, last night I was at the game with Katrina. Like we, I make sure to detach from the business and more, more so than anything else. It's the, the phone.

What I, what I noticed, like, I love this and I love talking and working all the time, but I see the, the unhealthy part when I see what it, what it leads to with the phone, because the phone right now is my computer.

The whole business is my computer. The whole business is within that. And there is always something for me to do on it. There is always a chart to be analyzing. There is always accounts to be balancing. There's always appointments to be rescheduling. There's always Instagram and social media message to answer. There's always work to be done.

And it all results in the growth of this business. And so learning to practice that, like, okay, allotting myself certain time to work on it and then shutting it down. I feel like I've personally, I can speak for myself that I've gotten really good at this where at a certain time at night, my phone goes away from me. And I still allow myself because I'm realistic that we're building something really big. And so it's, I mean, I'd be silly to think that I'm not going to work some late nights. So when we're in, in, into something that is pressing and I got to get it done, I allow my, and I don't, and I'm not, my relationship is healthy because I just had a great night with, you know, my woman the night before. So I don't feel like I'm depriving her of attention.

Like, okay, I might give myself a free pass. Tonight, I'm going to work till really, really late and I'm going to do that. But then I'm aware enough of that that I can't allow that to become a pattern because it can be. I'm the type of person where that could become a pattern where I'm grinding every night till midnight and working even after hours when we leave here. But again, this is why we were so blessed with so many of these brilliant minds that we've had the opportunity to talk to. You mentioned and you talk about sleep.

Man, it was maybe last year when I really connected how much the computer and the phone was affecting my sleep. And when I started to just like, okay, let me put this into practice. If I turn off all the electronics and I go by candlelight and I get rid of my phone by seven o'clock or earlier, let's see what happens. And whoa, lo and behold, I had amazing sleep or amazing sex, then sleep. I could really see how it was affecting my relationship and my sleep, which are to me, both extremely important to your overall health. And so I've learned to navigate

back and forth. And I think people that are completely extreme on that side, where they're so concerned about being unplugged, you're going to have a really hard time with probably building something of this size. Because I think you have to allow a little bit of flexibility there that like yeah dude i mean with business timing is everything so speed matters and getting this thing done like so there's there is this kind of ebb and flow we all feel the urgency and i think that we all relate on the grind mentality we all went through that process of um you know creating developing our own individual businesses to the level that we could possibly maximize ourselves as an individual. And I think that that mentality, I personally have struggled through that whole process because my life changed. I have two kids. I have more responsibilities. I have a lot more

places I need to be all at once. And then also having another business coming into this business and then having to release that and then really kind of focus and harness in on you know what we're trying to accomplish with this business is so much greater and it's it's really it's about efficiency and to be able to now kind of peel back all these other um all these other stressors that i'm like wow i was so focused all over the place that now i can peel back and just get down to the essentials and be way more efficient and maximize my time here while i'm maximizing my time at home where i can understand how to even be present because you carry that shit with you as an entrepreneur home and it doesn't matter if if it feels like you know i'm not working i'm i'm like i have a little anxiety because i feel like

i'm not working yeah and so that that used to just drive me crazy because i'm just like i can't i'm doing this and i'm like you know the guys probably think i'm fucking you know just fucking off right now you know it's just used to drive me crazy because i love working you know and i love i'm like i'm like a workhorse you know but i just can't i can't do that shit anymore you know you have to like prioritize things and learn how to be more efficient and uh be more organized which is another thing we all struggle with i know i can speak for all of us dude i definitely can speak you're the most organized yeah and you're not that organized. I'm not. I lost it. Now I'm trying to bring it back. Yeah, but yeah, to be able to unplug, it's difficult.

You got three visionaries, you know what I mean? Four visionaries, including Doug, although Doug is by far the most organized. Oh, fuck it. You got Taylor in there too. Yeah, you got a bunch of visionaries. It's like, okay, who's going to actually implement this shit now that we've got all these great ideas?

You know what I mean? Who's going to actually put it into play? One of my favorite things to do when I have time uh like on a weekend or whatever if i have my kids i like to schedule something where we go off into nature um and everybody you know obviously no reception or anything on our cell phones and we'll hike or climb boulders or you know i'll teach them about grounding or we'll play board games if it's raining outside and just being together the whole day and having a great time. I love doing that. And then when I don't have my kids,

one thing that Jessica and I love to do, it's one of the funnest things you could ever do, by the way. I think you might have been the one to tell me to do this. You were teaching me about a museum dose of LSD where you take a small amount and then you go to a museum. I didn't bring it up, Adam. I know. I was just about to give you props, Kyle.

And then Sal comes in. We don't have to go down the rabbit hole. It's all right. It's the honor podcast. That shit's welcome. At the end, yeah, let's talk about it. Can I tell you something? That is fucking fun, man.

You take a little bit, you go to the museum with your girl or your friend, and you're there all day, and you're just like, this is so exciting and fun. It's one of my favorite things to do. It is pretty incredible. Yeah, edibles works too, and that's legal in the state of California, so you're not breaking any laws. Have you guys been to the Monterey Bay Aquarium yet? Oh, I love.

A bunch of times. I love the aquarium. I'm staying on a microdose or an edible. Oh, an edible, yeah. Cuttlefish will steal an hour of your day at minimum. They look like fucking aliens. Have you ever seen a cuttlefish? Yes.

What do those look like? They're a squid that's completely clear, and they shoot luminescent light through their body. It's the color of the fucking rainbow. It looks like they're from a different planet. One of my favorite things to do there is to go in the where they have all the jellyfish which which are for me at least easily the most fascinating creature you've ever seen like they literally look like pure energy floating through the ocean they're very strange right very very strange animals but i'll sit in

those dark rooms where you see because you've been there recently right yeah i'll sit in the dark rooms where you see all the jellyfish and i can sit there and literally start to feel emotion from it like i'll sit and just stare for i could sit there for hours if i didn't have my kids with me i'd sit there for hours and just watch these things floating around and just start to feel i don't know what i'm feeling but i just get overwhelmed you know it's funny like uh i think they picked up on like adults really getting into going. And so they've actually like opened up later hours and me and my wife went one time and they actually had like a whole wine event to go alongside that. And we're like,

wine, whatever. If we took edibles, but yeah, went through the whole thing. Like it was totally a different experience. Like it was all dark. And so,

yeah, definitely like the jellyfish and the big tanks were, I didn't know they opened late like that. Yeah, sometimes they'll do that. That's kind of cool. I would love to do that. Dude, it's so fun. I highly suggest it.

The sea otters. My daughter lost her shit over sea otters. She'd never seen a sea otter in person, or she did when she was real young. They're like a little fucking teddy bear. She's like, yeah, she's like, it's a little puppy in the water. And then they hold hands when they're laying next to each other and shit. And of course I had to buy her five sea otter stuffies. I don't know.

Does your kid like hit your freaking buttons where you want to just buy him shit all the time? Because my kids, my daughter does especially. He just turned three. So he's not really, I mean, he wants things, right? But I mean, Tosh is so great. She went to the dollar store and bought like 30 things and in pot helping him potty train like every time he'd go poop on the poopoo potty we'd let him pick out one of these toys from the toy bin which are a fucking dollar a piece right so good job bear when you know we cross out we have a little check mark thing he puts a sticker on the board

he's gonna play with it for three hours anyways and then be fucking done with it you know some of his favorite toys are bouncy balls that you spend at the you know two quarters in the quarter machine you know so um i'm sure that time will come but also like every christmas one of the things we do is because obviously he he knows it's christmas time he's aware he knows there's going to be a lot of presents we go and we'll do toy drives so he gets to be a part of the process of picking out toys for other kids that don't get to have toys. That's a great lesson. Yeah. And then we understand like this is about giving.

It's not about receiving. You know, like you're going to get your toys and that'll happen. It'll be cool. And whatever you want. It's not like he, we don't have a TV. So it doesn't get flooded with fucking commercials all day long where he has to have the latest greatest whatever shiny fucking thing there is right but that process has been really cool because we've done that with him before he could comprehend what it was you know and now that he's starting to get it he really does enjoy have you ever thought about how you do you plan to introduce tv to him i mean

what do you think well i mean it's not like he's completely unplugged he gets ipad time you know but that's a lot easier to stick above the fridge and say like hey no ipad's dead or oh no we're gonna watch that later that kind of thing and it makes it a treat like right now we're you know we're in town staying with family and they got tvs in every fucking room so you know he knows all the old disney movies and the pixar movies and no i want to watch uh i want to watch nemo i want to watch this and it's like all right we're gonna play in the bounce house we're gonna go to the beach and then we'll watch nemo tonight so there there there is a balancing act still um but i mean yeah you know like it's it's it's you can't just unplug your fucking kid you're gonna dismantle them because they need to have a father that you're trying to wrap your brain

around that you're not sure how you're gonna handle when when you need to like are you are you do you feel pretty confident like how you're going to handle every situation well you know what's been tough for me because i was bullied as a kid and then uh fought a lot and those kind of things and then as somebody who rose to the level that i did as a fighter you know like i became i got to i always welcomed it like like i'm gonna say no i'm gonna say no and then you punch me or you push me and then it's like a huge smile on my face now i get to beat your ass right so it's it's difficult for me to see him playing with other kids and then kids be kids you know but then i have to remind myself and my wife does a great job of this it's like not every kid's gonna play with them or like older girls when they're like they want to play with them until they figure out he's a boy and

they're like no we don't want to play with you until they figure out he's a boy. And they're like, no, we don't want to play with you. You're a boy, you know, and he's just fucking heartbroken. Right. You can see like him just sink and his shoulders are slouched and he'll walk back to us crying. And it's like, fuck. You just want to go beat up those little kids. Yeah. Fucking whoop those girls.

Fuck those little girls. You know, but that's a part of it. Right. And, you know, Sal and I were talking about that. Like that like you wouldn't you wouldn't you don't want to put your kid in a fucking bubble jordan peterson's big on that you know like how we educate our kids you can't put them in a bubble because they're not prepared for the real world right so you have to allow them and that's something that i always argue with my wife about is like let him eat shit let him fall let him get the fucking ouchie let him scrape his knee so he

respects that scooter right so he really pays attention right so there's there's all these little things that i think add up and ultimately you're just trying to prevent death and and serious injury but you're not trying to prevent pain and hurt and all the shit that's going to help them grow and learn it's so hard to see your kids deal with the, especially with the like bullying or the drama between each other. Like my daughter's, my daughter's eight and little girls seem to be just, just cause they mature faster. They seem to deal with this a little earlier,

but like my daughter comes home and she's like, so-and-so didn't want to play with me again today. And she told my other friend not to play with me. And they kind of make their little tribe or whatever and excluded her. And so I want to call the parents. I want to jump in and be like, hey, tell your daughter to play with my kid. Otherwise, whatever. But I stayed out of it.

And I talked to my daughter. And I said, OK. I said, well, sometimes she's not going to want to play with you. And that's OK. So play with someone else or play by yourself. And that's OK. And so I'm walking her through the process. And at the same time, I'm controlling myself because I could see how sad she is.

I could, she was crying. I could see how stressed out she was about it. Yesterday, I opened up her, she gives me her, her homework folder. And in the homework folders, like work that she's done and got graded or whatever. And then there was a little note in there from the same girl. And the note was like, you know, I love you. You're, you're my best friend. done and got graded or whatever and then there was a little note in there from the same girl and the note was like you know i love you you're you're my best friend i'm sorry i was mean to you or something like that and signed her name i was like they figured it out you know what i mean

they figured it out together and what a great learning lesson you know the other thing that i've more recently started to uh to pay attention to was letting my kids learn how to be bored you know that's a huge one. Dude, when we were kids, first of all, cartoons were not on 24 hours a day. Bro, you would play with rocks and sticks as a kid. Literally. I remember that.

I remember for hours being in a dirt or a sandbox. Did you ever see, I think it's A Million Ways or A Thousand Ways to Die in the West by Seth MacFarlane? Oh, I haven't seen that. It's so good. These a thousand ways to die in the West by Seth McFarland. Oh, I've seen parts of it. It's so good. These kids are running through the fucking old West with this giant, it looks like a hula hoop made out of wood and a stick and the sticks in

between it. That's going to rot their brains. These kids in their damn stick and ring is going to ruin their minds. Well, I mean, when we were kids, cartoons were not on 24 hours a day. There wasn't a cartoon network.

You had to catch them at Saturday morning or right after school. Otherwise, they weren't on. So TV sucked for most of the time. There wasn't electronics or video games to play. Your parents, back then, parents didn't think they had to entertain you 24 hours a day. So my mom would be like, figure it out. Like, go do something. I don't care.

Get outside. Lock the door on me. Learning to be bored, figure it out. Like, go do something. I don't care. Get outside. Lock the door on me. And learning to be bored is an important skill. In fact, I've lost it as an adult. I can't sit and wait for anything now without my phone. I feel like I'm like, what do I do? I'm going to sit here and like. Panic.

I can't take a shit without my phone. Do you know how weird that is? Like I sit. You know, I used to take shits all the time without my phone. All of a sudden now, if I don't have my phone, I'm like, I can't. I'm going to hold it until I get my, until my phone's charged that's not good practice you should be so you know like people say like be mindful of your food turn off electronics when you're eating pay attention watch it go in it helps with digestion helps with being present same thing

with your shit and i was talking to eddie bravo about this the guy who started 10th planet he would fucking he will for their listeners of course you guys do so he was saying that he he he started his asshole started bleeding and he's talking to me about this at the last honor invitational and i was like what what happened he goes well it's my only fucking break you know i got i got my i got my son and i got my girl you know i got my girl and so my only time is like my only sanctuary is the shitter so i bring my phone in there and i get on instagram and i'm playing video games and i'm doing this thing and it was great but when you sit like that your butthole protrudes and so he was doing that for too long even after dumping himself a hemorrhoid yeah it was fucking causing ass bleeding so like he couldn't get rid of it until then finally his brother was like dude how long

are you on the can for and he's like i don't know 45 minutes and i'm like yeah that al bundy shit that's tv stuff that's that's not that's not proper if you were to hold and that's the thing like if you were to hold yourself out in nature if you go to take a duty in the woods in that nice ass to grass squat how long can you hold that position right yeah it's not long it ain't a 10 minute shit that's for sure especially in that position i should go till my legs get numb yeah oh dude like you're sitting there so long. But it's like a holy place. I understand where Eddie's coming from with that. I think that's a male thing.

And you get up and you have to lean over the sink and wait for your legs to wake up. God forbid there's an emergency. Start shaking one out. Your kid's like, Dad, someone broke into the house. You're fucked because you can't run. I can't help it. Trina tries to talk to me. Leave me alone.

This is my time. Oh, does she talk through the door yeah my girl does that right should we try to ask me questions about work and this that you just turn the fan on yeah i'm like go away this is my one time everybody walks in on me come on my girlfriend does the same thing she'll sit on the other side of the door she'll try to talk right but then she can tell when i'm on my phone oh yeah yeah i'll just ignore her i'll be like she starts to catch on she sees you click like on 10 different things on instagram the bathroom's glowing that's why it's dark i'm just answering like yep yep uh-huh uh-huh she's like really uh-huh to you know going to dinner with my mom again uh no wait a minute

they need they need that skill and so i have this rule now in my house where my kids get four hours total for the whole week of electronic time and that doesn't include doing schoolwork and stuff like that and that's not that much time for seven days you know it's it's not that much time so my kids and they're good they're rationing their time when they need to use or ab testing justin and sal's kids right now it's fucking dude it's brilliant it's so brilliant like you don't realize i don't know i like justin's dude i don't know i'm torn right now as the the non-father of the group like watching both you guys implement the similar structure and strategy around technology and i love what you're both doing i think it's

fucking awesome i think i don't think there's any one way to do it i just think it needs to be regulated there should be structure there's no doubt and you're just trying to create that and like see if it works and that's why i think parenting is it's like there's no like handbook that's gonna work for everybody just like yeah but you but you kind of intuitively you figure it out right you know how your kids react when uh certain things and so it's like i can i can kind of create this because i know he gets uh motivated and incentivized by doing these types of things. And so let's make an economy out of this and let's figure this out and like how to kind of motivate them and steer them into healthier habits. And so, yeah, that's kind of what I've tried to do in my household. And it's so far it's been like my oldest especially has been really like motivated by it because it's like he's starting to equate, you know, doing things.

Well, explain how you've structured it completely so explain that so i have this board and i put um i put some like uh clips on there to where i actually take cash and so i'll take like a few dollars and i'll put it on there so visibly they can see there's cash there and then there's like on the bottom there's basically what they can pay that cash towards so whether it's like um towards playing video games whether it's towards watching tv or having a dessert or uh experiment rhino yeah experiment that's later that's with dad you know dad has to be in that one so uh but uh so i put like sort of a value on each one of these, these chores or the, he can come, he can present like,

um, you know, some, some sort of work, you know, like for instance, he decided he wanted to blow off the deck and do all that. And then,

and so we're, we're figuring out together what that should be worth. And so, you know, it's like, maybe that's three bucks, you know, if you spent X amount of time.

So anyway, it's just brings a conversation where they start figuring out like, okay, if I do this, it's going to equate to this. And so, I mean, it's not... You're teaching that sacrifice lesson right now. Yeah. Indirectly. Indirectly. It's not I have to pay this to that. Right. I have to sacrifice this. Indulging.

30 minutes to an hour of labor outside, which I'm sure isn't fun for a kid to do. So I then can turn around and have a half hour, hour of video game. And that is a skill. That is a skill you need to learn that the sacrifice, you know, the present me for future me, that is a very, that's a life lesson that you need to learn. But you know, when, when they're, what do your kids do when they're bored? Like, have you, have you seen kind of what they come up with? Cause yeah. So that's another thing

like I've, so I've've so i've tried to make more opportunities available to them like this summer i'm trying to make a uh literally build a tree house and and they they're so motivated for me to do this they've already started doing it themselves like they've found like loose wood around you know the backyard and they're already stacking it and trying to make um and i've created downstairs one of my rooms i just have all these like this climbing apparatus and like a climbing wall and um just so there's like physical things they can do so they never have like that like well i'm bored i'm like tough and that's it that's the end of the conversation like they have to fucking figure it out you say like that to them honestly i know it's old school like i'm not like there's's no woo-woo in the way that I approach any of this shit.

It's just like, you have to figure it out because I had to figure it out. Dude, my kid yesterday, he was like, hey, can I watch TV? And I'm like, yeah, if you want. And he's like, does it count towards my time? I'm like, well, of course it does. So I'm upstairs doing, you know, folding laundry and I come downstairs and he's asleep on the couch. I'm like, this fucker, he's bored downstairs and he's asleep on the couch. He's bored.

So he decided to take a nap. He just went to sleep. But you know what? It's like maybe he was tired. You know what I'm saying? Maybe he's tired and he would have kept his ass awake with some electronic bullshit. Well, now he's actually got the opportunity to sleep. Yeah. So I'm like, all right.

Let him take a nap. He needed it. Let him take a nap. That's it. We need naps. We do. Are you a napper? I'm not a napper.

I tried to implement napping in my life for a couple of years. Oh, I totally could. I did. There was a short- Post-workout nap. Maybe like a five-minute one. It's like a short one I can do. I can't do the long one.

I'm not sure that's a nap. I'm not sure five minutes qualifies. You get an narcolepsy. Are you a napper, Kyle? You know, I used to nap before I got to Onnit. And there's a couple, you know, every now and then I'll nap. But most of the time I can get what I need from meditation and quiet time. It's more about creating a space where I can silence my mind and quiet what's around me,

maybe throw on binaural beats, darken the room, that kind of thing. A lot of times if I find that if I only have five or ten ten minutes i'll do breath of fire something that charges me up go outside do some of paul check's tai chi you know rip the shirt off that kind of shit it's going to be you guys are so blessed here in the bay i mean it's fucking it's such perfect weather it's like 96 and humid back home in austin right now so you know how i'm to have to deal with that. And that, that may keep me indoors a bit more. But, you know, there's always some practice because we do have that low. And that's something that Michael Walker was talking about, you know, that I was mentioning to you guys, the sleep expert that Rogan had on, wrote a fantastic book, Why We Sleep. And you look cross-culturally, so many humans sleep biphasically still to this day. They have siesta, right? And so

if it was a part of our culture and we weren't so heavily caffeinated, would we do that? Yeah. A lot of people would, right? Especially if businesses shut down, you know, as they do in these other countries. Like, yeah, like we would fucking have that moment.

If you didn't have access to technology all the time, think about that. If you were bored as an adult, you probably would take- Or fall asleep. Yeah, I would. My ideal- Especially if you got up early and you were doing laborious type stuff that was tiring you know saying my by one o'clock you've already put in the work yeah tuckered by one o'clock my

ideal ideal situation would be a post-workout walk and then nap every single if i could do that that would be so and i used to have the opportunity to do that sometimes because when i owned my wellness studio, I'd work out midday when I wouldn't have clients. I'd always have a three-hour break. I'd go for a walk after my workout, and then if one of the massage rooms was available, I'd lay down on the massage bed. Jerk off, then fall asleep. Right. Absolutely. That's my move.

Exactly what I do. Leave it right on the sheet. You know Sal for sure. No, I would take a nap for about 30 minutes and oh man you i'd wake up and i'd be fucking ready you know what i mean it feels so good i wish i could do that let's start implementing kyle do you ever have a hard time like because you you've kind of group naps you've gone all over the place as far as people that you interviewed do you ever do you have a hard time with certain types of people or do you struggle interviewing some people and then

other people you just flow with do you notice a difference yeah you know obviously people that have been on podcasts before have their own podcast or are much easier to chat with because they understand flow of conversation they've done it before right uh to an extent you know there's there's better podcasters you know it's not all not all podcasters are created equal um i would say the people i struggle with the most are the people that you know you'd never really break through, especially if they're there to promote their thing. Like, hey, I know you're going to promote your business. I'm having you on because someone recommended you to me or you've been on these other big podcasts.

And then what ends up happening is you get really short answers or they don't want to give you the thing that they're known for. Like, I sell this thing online and I want you to pay for that that thing so i'm not going to give you what the meat and potatoes is i'll just give you little nibbles and hopefully that works and it's like no motherfucker like that's an old yeah that's an old formula it doesn't even fucking work right but people think if they give you too much you're not going to pay for the thing they sell no that's not true and a perfect example is jim quick jim quick gave us so many details on what he does he's the speed reading guy that teaches you how to how to read

faster and comprehend more but he's also you know he's he's highly intelligent but he gives he gives so damn much and your takeaway is yeah i'm gonna fucking pay like there's no doubt i'm gonna pay for his online program now because i want all the details he's given me enough for me to know that it works and i can certainly i've have changed the way that i read because of him already and just podcasting with him you know just just from that so i mean that's provide value right away like that people get bought in a lot more fuck yeah and so that that's definitely been the struggle is where it's like you just want to give me a little bit and it ends up being a 40 minute podcast and i'm like this fucking is terrible we had a tough one with uh dave asprey two reasons one it was over the phone yeah and

two i hate phone interviews yeah i can't stand them you can't read body language you can't interject when you want any jokes you couldn't see asprey slouching in his chair with the saggy eyeballs but he was also he was also the entire time bulletproof bulletproof bulletproof that's why i bulletproof that and then he was talking about fitness stuff to us like yeah oh yeah i do this one workout what's max intensity for 15 minutes and it stimulates muscle fiber and i'm like you you obviously don't realize you're talking to three trainers with like a combined total of like 60 years he did the same he did the same with joe rogan and he'll also do that workout like once a week or once a month and

things that he's got it's great i'm like yeah it does it's all you need for the muscle mass to get into and it's like dude you you photoshopped fucking somebody else's abs onto your body on instagram like that's not even your abs i can't believe he did that that's it that's it there's a problem there there's a problem with that you know like you got to walk the walk and look the part. And that's something I appreciate about you guys. It's something I appreciate, you know, interviewing a guy like Dr. Michael Ruscio. I'm sorry, if you're a health and wellness expert, you got to fucking look the part, right? And Ruscio's jacked and tanned.

He's smart. He's able to flow freely between being rigid and knowing what's good for him and then also doing other things you know maybe he'll eat some gluten and do whatever you know where that comes from that comes from it comes from wisdom and i think it was paul check that said this and i've repeated it several times now and it's like you have knowledge which is ideas which is fine um and then you have experience but when you combine knowledge with experience you get wisdom and when you talk to someone like ruscio, Ruscio clearly has wisdom. And why does he have this wisdom?

Because he takes all this knowledge. So he's a scientist. He's a doctor. But then he applies it to thousands and thousands of patients. And he realized that there isn't one size fits all. And the answer tends to be it depends. When someone says, hey, should I take probiotics? Someone with lots of knowledge might say, yes, studies show that it's beneficial. Somebody with

lots of wisdom would say, it depends. Should I take prebiotics? I read prebiotics are really good. Knowledge would say, yes, prebiotics are a good idea. Wisdom says, not always. It depends because sometimes prebiotics can cause problems. Just like when people ask us fitness questions, the answer isn't, people are like, what's the best rep range for building muscle? I know what the studies say. I know the studies when they compare head to head show that eight to 12 reps is the hypertrophy range. But my wisdom tells me that if you always train in eight to 12, when you go to one to five reps, you're going to build more muscle.

Or if you go to 15 to 20, you're going to build more muscle. That's wisdom. And so that's the big difference and that's why i appreciate people like rusio because when they give you advice or when you talk to them they're talking from a combination of knowledge and experience and that's where i think you get the real fucking nuggets you know that's like it's the difference between the scientist and the person who's in the field it's like you combine the two and then boom you get the that's where you get the real answers fuck yeah yep we got a lot of real answers here we did how long we go i got a pissing erasure we're at noon what we get an hour and 40 hour and a half i think so

hour and 51 crushed it son that's the i think you guys are the longest on it podcast to date so no way oh really yeah brother boom yeah that's what she said we got a lot in this podcast so not just the longest but maybe the girthiest podcast we always fucking we love you bro you know i mean i love you guys we loved you before you were a big shot you know that's right you loved me before I said hey schedule it with my assistant that's right yeah I'll fly you guys in you know it's funny

I right away the first time we met you all of us were like that fucking dude's cool but for sure that guy's gonna go somewhere for sure

no we did we all said that and that doesn't happen very often it's rare that we meet somebody and when they walk out all of us collectively go like I fucking like that guy I like that guy a lot but then you were one of the few that i think that we felt that way instantly there's been some people that have grown on us

but i think right away we knew we were all gonna be yeah you got it you have a really really good sense of self which uh you know i tell you what i you know some you can find people you disagree with on almost everything not that i disagree you. We don't disagree on much. But when they have a very strong sense of self and comfort, you just respect the fuck out of them. So regardless of what your opinions are, I respect you because you're very confident in who you are and very comfortable in your own skin.

And it's magnetic to be around. So appreciate you having us on your show, dude. Magnetism. Well, let me fucking give you guys a chance to promote some shit. What do you guys got going on right now with mind pump just come see us dude come say what's up we're on mind mind pump man you may be physically out there again yeah mind pump yeah actually we're we are actually going to uh we're gonna do a Texas tour at one point and so we will definitely come we'll definitely reach out to you when that comes

around and you can shout it out to your people. 100%. Because it'll be free for people to come check out. It's a way for us to give back to the listeners. We're trying a new thing, and I've been having fun with it and just interacting with people physically, and it's been a good thing. If you want to buy shit from us, you go to the website, mindpumpmedia.com.

We have programs. We write expertly programmed fitness programs and that's how we monetize. People seem to appreciate them. They seem to work really well. But you know what else is crazy that we learned doing these live events?

There's people who listen to us that don't even know that we're on social media. I didn't know that. There's all these fans that are like, oh, you're on Instagram? It's an odd disconnect

between people that are in a podcast. There's an older community too that is getting into podcasts because they realize it's better than radio and that doesn't necessarily follow suit with the social media community

and so I want to make sure now we make a point to mention our Instagram pages because they do have different content you actually get a more of a specific flavor of me on my page or Adam on his page or Justin on his page so it's all different content.

And the way to find us is really easy. You just type in Mind Pump and then our name. So I'm Mind Pump Sal, Mind Pump Justin, Mind Pump Adam on Instagram. And then, of course, the podcast is Mind Pump. And there's Mind Pump Doug, right? Mind Pump Doug. I'm going to follow him. We've got to give a shout out to our boy.

Doug is actually my favorite Instagram to follow because he never posts. He only posts like maybe once every few weeks. And he does it. It's funny because he doesn't even intentionally do this. He just kind of does it when he remembers. He'll take a shot from his perspective of us podcasting. So it's all podcasting stuff. So for listeners, you may not like it as much unless you're into the tech side.

But I really like it because it's kind of like a scrolling down. A little timeline. Yeah, it's a little timeline of memory lane. You can see it go all the way back to where he started in his living room and the first studio and now this studio and the first big interview and the first big trip. And so he's kind of documented that really well in his. So it's kind of cool.

And you can go through it in a few minutes. You'll never get through my Instagram. I think it's up to like 2,000 posts or something ridiculous. It's those naked bear rug pics. You know what I mean? Fuck yeah. Excellent, boys boys we'll definitely run it back before the end of the year thanks for awesome thank you guys for listening to the human

optimization hour with kyle kingsbury and my amazing guests sal justin and adam from mind pump give them a follow we'll link to their socials on uh the show notes and check out their podcast if you haven't heard it because it's fire. These guys are dope. Thanks for tuning in.