Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #50 Charlie "The Spaniard" Brenneman

Episode Date: September 10, 2018

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So we talk a lot about the drive to learn more and what it's going to take to raise kids in the modern world because shit ain't right anymore these days. So a lot of important information, even if you don't have kids. And I think you're going to dig this one. Thanks for tuning in. We've got Charlie the Spaniard Brenneman in the house. And I've been trying my best to avoid having fighters on. I talked to you about that.

Just because fighters, I think that when they're in the fight, this is no knock to the fighters I've had on, they're in the fight. And that's something and that's it's a cool topic but not everybody that follows this show is into that shit you know same that's why rogan had to switch his show to make an mma show as well as the jre um but guys who retired certainly have moved on to some shit and i want to talk about what's gone on you know since retiring but let's backtrack for a second i I'd like to get a little background on you. You grew up in PA.

I did. And you were a wrestler, right? Yeah, and actually, Kyle, some of this you'll probably learn for the first time, so we'll talk how we met, but a lot of this I don't know if you would have known or not. But yeah, I grew up in small-town central PA. I grew up wrestling. Eight years old, first time I saw my dad.

He was actually wrestling in an old-timers wrestling tournament. So he was probably my age, what I am now, 37. Did he have one of those old-school singlets? Yep, the really high-end type ones. The nuts? Yep, absolutely. I didn't know at the time that this is awkward to see my dad like this. Hairy chest out.

Yellow hair. Up on the high white thighs. But yeah, and that was my intro to the sport. I remember I got pinned in 19 seconds, first match ever. And I just came back in the second year. I did really well, carried it up through high school, had a successful high school PA career, which is good. You know, in the wrestling world, it's like PA, Ohio, California, maybe Illinois Midwest, but you know, we're certainly one of the top States wrestled in a small division one state school in PA Lock Haven university,

who actually had several UFC fighters, which is a pretty cool random little fact there. Frankie's from, Frankie Edgar wrestled at Clarion. So, you know, that's a PA state school as well. And then post that became a Spanish teacher and retired after three years and thought, eh, maybe this isn't for me and pursued fighting. And so being the Spanish teacher got you the nickname Spaniard. Yeah, so my last name is Brenneman. And people are like, yeah, it's not Spanish, is it? No, it's absolutely not Spanish.

But I actually had long curly hair. Is that Irish? It's like, well, Pennsylvania, Dutch, German. And then when you get deeper, it gets a little bit fuzzy. But yeah, any heritage that I know of. You have to do an Ancestry.com to figure that shit out. I do have to do that, right? Percentages now. Absolutely. That's heritage that I know of. You'd have to do an Ancestry.com to figure that shit out. I do have to do that, right? Percentages now.

Absolutely. That's all we are is percentages. Back in the day, not Ancestry.com, but back in the day, I did one of those tests for my dogs, like the DNA to see what breed she was. We bought her as a French Bulldog, but she wasn't like AKC, whatever. And we were like, is this a French? We paid a lot of money for this dog. Is it a French Bulldog?

But she came back and she was like part Corgi or something like that so it was like that's cool corgis are dope they're super smart yeah son of a gun but yeah um you know from from wrestling it was back to school and then uh the spaniard it was kind of i went in college i have real long bushy hair and i want to apologize for you that if there's some curly hairs in your shower at your house it's from the curly hair it looks like you have a fucking mop on your head but it's not the same mop that when i first met you but i've never met a white man with that many follicles like there's i'm so jealous you know i'm bald now but but uh yeah there's so much fucking hair on your head we're like jack on heights in here looking at each other it looks like it looks like when like in one of the old cartoons when they dump like the hair growth thing and then

hair just grows all over the guy's body everywhere well that's so much hair actually kind of me right and and also my son is uh he's one and a half he'll be two and he's blessed with hair like i'm gonna have to it's gonna be something in middle school when he's got a hairy chest and hairy arms and he was born with a beard that's awesome so you teach spanish and then you decide fuck this i want to get into fighting yeah you know it was growing up wrestling it was all i knew it was just like hardcore training from time i was eight until i was 23 i graduated and then after that anyone who lives a disciplined lifestyle there's kind of for me anyway there's a love-hate relationship you know it's like it's hard it's tough it's stressful wrestling so stinking heartbreaking but then it's like I love this stuff I'm addicted to it so I thought I got

to the end of that rope so I went back home I fat and happy is basically you know what we would say as wrestlers like I got fat and happy and I was teaching and like after a year that was cool you know maybe less than a year i said like i want to do something so i ran a marathon and that was like okay but i really just loved and you can appreciate this i'm sure just grabbing just just physically like dominating someone or at least trying to and then i missed that and i didn't have any other real physical skills other than wrestling and grappling frankie whom I knew from college had started uh he just signed with the UFC and I was like boom maybe that's something I could do and really that's what put me in that direction oh yeah and you fought for how long in

the UFC uh the UFC I had two stints the first one I think it was like 2010 to probably 2012 and then the next one was I think 2013 to 2014 to 2014. And you retired in 2014? Yeah. Well, unofficially, you know, we were talking a little bit yesterday. I still get random offers here and there. And if it were for a, you know, a shit ton of money, I'd probably take it. But I just really appreciate, honestly, this conversation that we're having right now is as rich and fulfilling to me as probably more so than fighting. So I'm really working on developing this phase of my life. Simply, honestly, I just enjoy it.

I absolutely love it. Yeah. Hell yeah. So post-fight career, you started getting into motivational speaking for kids. Is that right? Yeah. So I lost my last fight in Brazil. I forget which fight night it was or whatever, but I got choked out and you know that whole year so I signed on short notice so it was

uh I guess going from 13 to 14 New Year's Day of 14 and I got a call from my manager saying Joseph wants to you know they need someone to fight Benil Darius and at that time Darius was like uh this was his first fight in the UFC. And looking back, you know, I was fat and happy on New Year's Day. You know, I wasn't training. I wasn't intending to fight, but this was my chance to get back. You know, and I thought, this is it. This is the only option I have. I took it for less money than I was making the first stint in the UFC. And I ended up getting choked out, knocked out by Castillo in April, choked out by Leandro Silva in, I think maybe September, boom, I was fired. And it was like, what the heck? You know, why did that happen? Why did I even get

back here just to lose three times embarrassingly and then get retired and then get fired again? And so then I literally, and I was like depressed. I was just, it was just a terrible time. And I thought, what can I do? You know, what can I do? And I thought, well, a lot of people ask me questions like throughout my career, like anything from, are you batshit crazy to how much money do you make? That what's it like?

You know, all that stuff. So I wrote a book. I just, I never envisioned ever being an author. And I just started writing. So many people say, I want to write a book. How do I write a book? Or they sit, they pander on that decision that decision over and over. And I literally, I had nothing else to do. I was sitting at home, nothing to do. You know, I would,

my daughter would take naps. She was, she was young at that time. And then I would just start writing. And so I wrote a book and then I learned that, Hey, authors are speakers. And I thought, what's a speaker? What does that even mean? Everyone speaks. We're speaking right now. How do you make a living out of speaking? And then I learned a little bit about the speaking industry and authoring books, being an author, and they kind of go hand in hand. And then I learned what information products were. I never knew what information, what does that even mean, right?

But I realized that people look at UFC fighters as they possess something that the average person doesn't possess, their mind, their body. They experience something that only a small fraction of people experience. So I started figuring out, okay, just like I went from Spanish teaching to fighting, how can I go from fighting to this new world that you're a part of? And I'm figuring out, I don't even know what word to call it. Speaking, influencing, podcasting, whatever it is. But since that time, yeah. And I started in schools because that was where I had my foothold. I knew coaches, I knew administrators. I had good relationships with them

and that's where it started. Very cool. What are the things that you talk about when you talk to kids and what are the age group that you usually talk well so i first i started out i started out talking a lot about me to be honest you know and i i learned i learned the art of speaking on a stage and and relating it to the audience and i mean we were talking yesterday about podcasting making sure you bring something right and with fighting so do you remember fighting whenever you would get paid money to go somewhere and wave and shake hands yeah we used to do that's how we met on the tour for the trips yeah so that's really cool but that's not real life and and i i thought not like in an egotistical arrogant way but i thought oh this is how it is people just want to pay money to hang out with me this is the coolest thing ever this is awesome but then when you're not the ufc people

don't want to pay money to hang out with you anymore yeah so it's like oh all right so starting a business my buddies you know I have a few buddies who are really into marketing advertising digital world businesses entrepreneurship they'd be like no Charlie stop thinking about you stop thinking about you I heard an acronym one time I heard a comedian I wish I knew his name but he said stay stop thinking about yourself that was like his motto. So I really had to like, think, what can I offer these kids? So like I said, honestly, it's embarrassing now, it's cringeworthy, but I would just talk about me. I'll just tell my

stories, forgetting that, oh, I got to tie in a moral to the story, a lesson, something that they can take, maybe a habit, maybe a piece of advice, something. So I just, I eventually morphed into learning, you know, talk about my career. What's it like getting knocked down on live TV in front of a million people, being embarrassed, having to get up, shake hands, look at the camera, and then walk backstage when everyone's like, oh, you got your butt kicked. And then have all those people make fun of you on social media. So it's a lot about resilience, a lot about toughness, a lot about adversity, a lot about habits. You know, I read, I can say shit ton on here.

I normally on my show, I say crap ton. Cause I try. Clean for the kids, Charlie Brenneman. Clean for the kids, a true teacher. I'm going to go out on a whim and say shit ton here. But- Fuck ton. I don't know if I want to go there.

I don't know. Don't cross the line, buddy. Fuck i don't know cross the line buddy fuck ton don't i said it he said it fuck ton um so i read a lot of books and that what it's evolved into now is i bring my story but i heard people say this speakers say this like in time it just gets boring talking about yourself you're using your you know your stuff so. So my story, like Spanish T wrestler, Spanish TGFC fighter has become in reality TV. I forgot to mention that I was on it, stood on there. It's become a lot smaller of my talks and what becomes much bigger. And this is why I connect with you so much and why I'm either always thinking about you. I just told you yesterday,

what'd I say? Oh no. I told Aubrey because his book on the day on your life is one of the books that I read and studied and talk about on my show. And I told him yesterday, I think told you yesterday, what'd I say? Oh no, I told Aubrey, because his book, On the Day on Your Life, is one of the books that I read and studied and talked about on my show. And I told him yesterday, I think about you every day when I'm in the shower. And I was like, whoa, wait a minute, let me clarify that. So, but the cold water thing, I mean, I did it this morning at your house. Every day I think, all right, pussy.

It's not cold enough though in Texas. It's not, I was gonna tell you that. It's like lukewarm. It is. It's garbage. And I thought I hit the lottery because you go to hotels, you go to different people's houses. I have my house have the standard of cold and i was like you never know

what you're gonna get it's like just the mental override from the book you know boom and i was like yes i won i did it it's not cold but i did it yeah i did it so i read a shit ton of books and and i just bring that knowledge i i self-anointed myself. So I was given the nickname Spaniard, but I self-anointed myself the world's toughest lifelong learner to convey this idea of like developing a tough human being who loves to learn and loves to read. And so that message of lifelong learning of,

hey, like you're at point A, you wanna get to point B. Point B is not for like super human special people. It's for you and me, but you want to get to point b point b is not for like super human special people it's for you and me but you got to learn how to get there so this idea that learning will get you what you want right point a to point b break it down i got to learn read the books talk to the people that's why podcasting is so important and that's why i love listening to you because you're like you know i'm actually i think i'm sitting across from the world's toughest lifelong learner but it's like that idea is what i want to infuse, not just the young people, but to old people like. Yeah. I think there's thankfully a bigger shift in consciousness with people that are getting

into that, whatever that old category looks like. But for a long time, I remember growing up, like old people had it figured out and whether they knew or they didn't know a damn thing they had it figured out and they didn't want to learn more there's a few people i know that are our age and younger who got it figured out and they don't give a about reading or if they do it's fiction you know and they're not trying to gather more information because everything they've read was in college they got their degree and I don't need to read anymore. I'm done with that. You know, and it's such a,

I don't even want to pass judgment on it. I just want to say like, what a shitty way to live. Like to think like you would go through life without that awe and wonder a child has to gather more information. As confusing as it is to some people, and it's hard, you know, I just called my mom this morning and I talked to my aunt and they said, what are you down

there for? And I said, for work. And it's so hard, which it is technically for work, but it's really hard to explain my fire for what you just said, like a child. I literally feel like a child. My kids are four and a half and one and a half. And I have the same like gusto for learning that they have for discovery. And as confusing as it is, like, what's Charlie doing? What's Charlie doing? Like with my life, you know, what's he doing? I don't get it. You read books and talk

about them. You ask questions, you have a show. What's it about? It's about learning. And as confusing as that is to some people, it's also as confusing to me as, wait, you don't, like you don't read every day or you don't ask questions or you're not like, so curious, know, we're sitting in the office here and on it and I'm looking at things like, well, I wonder why that's like that. I wonder how that got there. Or I'm looking at the art of the book and thinking like, all right, why did they use those letters? How'd they get that half pick? We're in the gym and I'm looking at all the different equipment. It's like, boom, there are five, you know, synapses firing off in my brain on a constant basis. And so when people don't live like that, like you said, you know, it's, I'm not going to say I don't pass judgment,

but I do my best to not pass judgment, but it really baffles me. Yeah. The world is so fucking fascinating and there's so much to it. And it's cool. Like it doesn't have to be anything. It's just like, it could be, it can be literally anything. like some people i know are just they're foodies right but they'll read like

all these different recipe books and they're studying stuff online and then they're just doing like that's the other part piece of that equation we were talking yesterday one of my favorite quotes is it's not enough to know we must do right so you can read everything in the world but if you don't put that into practice and embody it it's it's not worth much right but i know people that and it's like you're obsessed with food but that's that's cool like it's cool that you care about that now let's tweak that so you don't turn into a fat blimp yeah because you're obsessed with mouth pleasure like you can still eat really well and and take care of your body at the same time right but something i mean like

even like old timers that are obsessed with cars i think that's a generational difference between my dad's era and mine i don't know many guys that are my age if they're not mechanics that are like i'm gonna work on this car i'm making you know this weekend and they've got like a project car and their commuter car and their work truck. I don't know many dudes that are in their early 30s, mid 30s that are doing that. But it is a cool thing. Like it's a cool thing to know. It's a cool trade to have. It's a cool thing to be passionate about because automobiles are fun.

And branching off that, this idea of learning. So I asked you yesterday about Rogan's show. You're like, what's it about? Because it's his and i think he's a you know a guide for you too in terms of like what he does how he runs a show i i observe things that he does and then morph it into like all right well how can i do that how can i make that my own and it really is just about learning and no matter what it is what what i don't even care it's not necessarily necessarily, I mean, I'm into fighting.

I'm into training. I'm into reading books. I'm into like leaders, you know, picking the minds and brains of leaders. So those things fall into my show, but it's about learning in general. When we first started, so my, my partner, his nickname's Dredd and a big, scary dude, not a big, scary dude at all. Just a real, a real bookie type guy. Who's, who's, uh, you know, nickname is D, just a real bookie type guy whose nickname is Dread.

He works with me, does so much for me. And at the beginning, he said, he brought up Rachel Ray. And he said, what I see us creating is a thing like Rachel Ray. He said, because I, and this is Dread talking. He said, I watch Rachel Ray all the time. I love that she, he didn't say all the time. He said, I've watched Rachel Ray. I know who she is. Right. He said, and I have no intention of cooking the meals that she cooks, but I love watching her learn and teach about food just for that.

Just because I love watching someone who loves to learn and teach about a thing. Right. So I don't like comic books at all. I was talking to a woman, comic books or cars or whatever it is. I was talking to a woman who was talking about one of the series, one of the science-y series for kids, the books. I don't know if it was Harry Potter or whatever one, but she was talking and in my head, I was like, I don't give a shit

about what you're talking about, but I love listening to you right now because you're so into it. Like you've got like a fire for this thing. And I love this exchange of energy or hearing your fire. And then it like tunes me into what she's talking about. But at the end of the day, I just want, and I even hesitate to say, I just want, I just want people to want to learn about something. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a key missing ingredient in a lot of schools now and obviously you know you're a dad uh kids around the same age as bear and it's it's um

there's a lack i mean so much of this and this gets it's brought to the forefront now of our attention more often because we see school systems not giving children what they need and certainly with the internet the shit that's failing is figured out. At least, hey, this is failing. At least that message is told. Maybe it's not solved, but that message is said a bit more often and it's heard. The fact that kids aren't taught the passion to learn, right? That has to be instilled in them more than the memorization of facts

for them to want to learn and to never lose that, right? So that way when they have a desire to go to college or go to a trade school or go do whatever the fuck they want to do, and then as they're doing that thing, they still want to learn, right? There's continued education.

One of the things I've talked about here on this show before is that Onnit pays a grip of money for us to have continued education each year. Which is incredible. In full. It's phenomenal. But Aubrey gets it. The better we are at whatever department we're in or whatever we're doing for this company, the more that we enhance that skill set, the better we are as employees and the better we are as people working in this system, right? It just makes sense. It does. And before I forget, I want to

tell a story off of that. But before I forget, there's a great book that I read called The Art of Learning by Josh Waitzkin. So Josh Waitzkin was a chess master and then he went on to become a world champion. I think it was Tai Chi, but he wrote a book called The Art of Learning. How do you become a world champion in Tai Chi? Yeah. Push-ins? but he wrote a book called the art of learning how do you come a world champion in tai chi yeah yeah push hands and i even think there's two different types of push hands like it's pretty in depth yeah no shit yeah all right all right i'll have to pull that up but it was it was part art of learning hence the title of the book but part what i took from it is like so you know how in fighting or in anything your mindset and your attitude is like, I think the most important. You hear a lot of people say it's the most important, right?

Train great. Don't believe in yourself. Get your ass kicked. Train pretty good, but really have like this overbearing confidence. There's a decent chance you might pull it out, right? Your heart, your will. That's, you know, your heart, your will, that's, you know, your heart, your will. And, but what I took from that book is having like, basically like having a mindset or an attitude of learning. And it showed how technically how he learned chess, how he learned Tai Chi, but then also the overriding,

like philosophy of just learning. So if he wanted to be a world champ or a high class, whatever, and podcastercaster he could learn it just because he knows how to learn and it's like looking back on my life there was wrestling there's spanish there's fighting which you know i wasn't the best but i was at a you know a high level and then with speaking it's just a repetition of of learning really yeah and it needs i really feel like you know people talk about empowerment all the time and you know i just want people to realize you can do it you just got to learn how to do it yeah rogan was just talking with duncan trussell recently and i think they were talking about the book of five rings

and uh you know the quote is roughly i'll butcher this somewhat but to know the way broadly if you know the way broadly you will know all things right you'll know in everything right so like if you can master one thing that teaches you how to master everything no right so like all these things that you've gone through from wrestling to spanish to fighting that easily extrapolates out into how you approach what you're doing now everything in the world and this might be a good segue which actually i just learned how to spell the word segue in this in this context it is not segue like the thing you get on and ride s-e-g-w-a-y it's s-e-g-u-e and i would always i would say you yeah exactly that was the word and dread was like he kept typing it on facebook live and i kept saying like seg or

seg you or something and And then I like, we were texting, we were texting back and forth and he like, you know, phonetically spelled it out. So that was a little bit there, but anyway, segue into the next thing that has, and I was a teacher by the way. So I was a Spanish teacher for three years. I was Senor Brenneman. So I think a piece of me is I'm always looking for learning and then to teach it, learning, teach, learning, teach. So it's a habit of mine and it's annoying to my wife or to my, you know, like my family, it will be annoying. Say it back to me, right kids. No, I'm teaching Spanish to my kids and like, it's mind, you know, it's, it's like mind blowing,

mind numbingly strenuous to teach a kid a second language because as i mean we were we were with with barry yesterday and with my two kids i mean they're they're high flying energy all the time so then like to have to add in this idea of like everything i say essentially saying two times is like like incredible so you know grace you'll i'll say something she's four and a half i'll say something like uh damiel damiel agua give me the water she'll know that will, I'll say something. She's four and a half. I'll say something like, dame el agua. Give me the water. She'll know that one, but I'll say something and I'll repeat it. And she'll be like, okay, dame el agua.

And then I'll give her the water. And then she's already thinking about 10 other things. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Please repeat dame el agua. So it's just bringing her right back down. So it's really strenuous. So sorry, Gracie, if you listen to this in the future, I'm sorry, Amanda, my wife, for being so annoying.

But anyway, it's part of me. But the idea of kids, you know, with Bear, who's three and a half, right? He's three, yeah. Three. And then my kids, Gracie and Rocky, are four and a half and one and a half. And they, I just, I'm fascinated, like what you alluded to earlier about this idea of kids and learning. Like, it's just like every day.

I mean, literally Bear this morning was like running around from corner to corner, thing to thing, touching, feeling, throwing, jumping, interacting. And to me, seeing that in my kids is probably the most magical thing about being a parent. Yeah. It's a damn shame we don't have their energy. Because it's like whatever whatever you could do to bottle that i'm pretty sure they call that methamphetamine which which has some side effects but it's crazy how much energy they have you know like it just it just baffles me even when bear

doesn't take a nap you get ornery and a little pissy about things but it still balls to the wall until he finally goes to sleep. Crash. You know? Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's absolutely nuts. And one of the most fulfilling things as a parent, you know, we live lives and we have

work, we have obligations, responsibilities, but one of the most fulfilling things to me is being in a situation. Maybe it's a weekend, maybe it's a day trip, maybe it's family vacation where they can literally be playing in the sand and the ocean for eight hours and then just crash at like 7 p.m. and just be out cold. But it's the most fulfilling thing in the world. Seeing your kid reach that exhaustion point where they're just like, no mas, boom, and they're out. Yeah.

It's just such a- That's like, all right, we finally made it here. Now mommy and daddy can have a little time to read, a little time to bone, a little time to relax. We're all good here. We crossed the finish line. It's like we did our job. You're exhausted, son, daughter.

I can't wait. I mean, I really can't wait. And I want to be mindful of which sports I put Baron first. But I can't wait till there's something I can stick him in for two hours a day that's going to be so taxing. But it probably won't be. He'll probably go to wrestling or jujitsu or whatever the thing is, gymnastics and come out of that, like ready to go do something else. Yeah. You know, I think, you know, when you said that,

and then when you opened up that, you know, statement and then followed up with that, I'm thinking the whole time. And I feel like the best way to get them to that point is, and I don't want to sound or come off as I'm an expert of, you know, what you're probably an expert in, like travel, living, ancestral living, living out in the wild, being free, et cetera. But like, I think the best way for a kid to reach that point is just by being out and doing. Like maybe not in that structure right yeah um and like

seeing with with you and natasha playing with bear this morning and like literally a man will sit on one couch i'll sit on the other and the kids just run circles and jump on each other i feel like because of this the contextual situation in a class like that in a wrestling class with a bunch of kids it's sometimes hard to like really exhaust them because there does have to be order because the scalability of that class yeah they can't just run like a maniac the whole time or it's a chaos yeah you know yeah it's balancing that order and chaos damn it all right no refuge but i will tell you that wrestling is you know in my opinion it's unbiased even if if I, well, if I didn't wrestle, I wouldn't know this, but I mean, it's incredible. It creates solid human beings. Yeah. There's no doubt wrestling

was of all the sports that I did, the hardest thing I've ever done in my life and wrestling practice, even in MMA was still the hardest day, harder than sp sparring harder than kickboxing or any type of striking harder than jujitsu um and i think every in high school every like head wrestling coach in the high school team was like we're going to be the most conditioned team in the state nobody's going to outlast us like it's like fucking like they could have made a sweater with the same quote on it for every high school team so i mean for mean, for sure, overtrained, but you're that young, testosterone and growth hormone are flowing through you.

You're eating like a madman just to keep weight on. It's a good time, but ultimately I think that does build character. I wanted to ask you with, and we talked a little bit about this yesterday, with the state of our fucking current school systems and you know you can say it's a political thing and this is you know label shit like well this is the progressive left and uh the far left wants everything to be equal and blah blah blah leave all that aside

we for sure know that kids in school now are, everyone gets a fucking participation award. We for sure know that a lot of schools aren't keeping score anymore in games in the early on, not in high school, but I mean early on, they're not keeping track. The kids keep track. Kids give a shit.

They want to know who's actually winning the game. They want to know how many points they score. They care. That's why they're playing the game, right? There's some part of us that wants to compete and at the same time cooperate, right? And that's something that Darwin was saying, like the overemphasized, it's overemphasized competition, right? In his teachings, cooperation is written about far more, hundreds of times more often than competition.

But there's a part of us that wants to compete. And in team sports, we want to cooperate with our team to compete with the other. In single sports, we cooperate with our coaches and our training partners to get us to that point so we can compete on a stage in a single sport. How important is it for kids to know how to win and how to lose? I don't think it could be more important. I mean, it's like primary, numero uno. So my wife teaches in a middle school. And seeing some of the things that goes on in middle schools, it's almost like, so imagine

Listener or Kyle or whatever, being born without a heart or a lung or an arm or something, right? You're just missing something, right? Kids are missing something. They're missing accountability. They're missing long-term versus short-term gratification. They don't know it. You know, like how hard is it for you or me

who are really disciplined, live life as best we can and very focused and goal-driven and aware and everything. How hard is it? And I'm not going to speak for you because I don't know, but for me, how hard is it not to just, I go to a doctor's office, they say, okay, 10 minutes, boom, pulling out my phone. And that's for me who grew up without that. And then it came into my life later. And it's hard for me. I have to say, all right, put your phone away, sit and be. Okay. Me, 37.

Yeah, that takes some mental override to do that. For you and I and a grownup. So imagine a kid who never had, who always had that, who never had anything other than that. Of course, they don't contain the same things that you and I contain. It's just, they never had it so the kids will say things like that are just like like they'll they'll put on social media i'll kill you you can't do it you just can't you can't do it yeah but they don't know that you can't do it because they never really learned that you can't do it you know so yeah well there's no consequences there because

it's not face to face yeah you know if somebody, I'll kill you to my face when I was eight years old, I wouldn't actually believe that they're going to kill me. That's nonsense. But I might beat that kid's ass. Yeah. Right. Or I might get my ass kicked or I might not, there might be no interaction because the teacher steps in, but either way there there's some accountability there, right? Somebody is getting in trouble from an there right somebody's getting in trouble from an authority or somebody's getting in trouble because you got to fucking back up what you're saying and a lesson is learned yeah i have chills right now from you saying that one of my favorite interviews that i did was with a guy named riley cote and he's a an enforcer in for it used to be for the flyers

and the it's like a really like fighting to me is like really primal like i just i love like getting like pretty much no equipment and just going at it flat sweat flying and hurting and hurting other people it's just it's like invigorating and he was talking about that in professional hockey and how they're getting away from that and how it he sees it as it's a complex issue but anyway he said how it it it was it enforced accountability like you just you you didn't you didn't attack gretzky because you knew you were gonna get your ass kicked so you just didn't do it yeah look at how 1980s basketball was when you had the pistons yeah just fucking hard checking dudes down in the paint you know like you there that was pre it was right

as jordan was coming in but it was before jordan was jordan and they started making it the jordan they ushered in the jordan era you know like hey he got somebody fucking blew in his ear so he's going to the free throw line you know like back then like people would get fucked up if you messed up you know that was a harder game you know there's some accountability there yeah and i'm not saying there should be fighting what i never i was scared to death of fighting growing up absolutely scared to death and i had some like you know the standard knuckleheads in in middle school who just wanted to tear you down for whatever reason you know it was just like just a natural part of the process but there does need to be that source of accountability in that like

inner resilience or toughness or whatever and And I honestly look at it, Kyle, and I'm not blowing smoke up your ass, but I look at, you know, maybe our parents were saying the same thing about our generation when we were kids and maybe they were, maybe they weren't, I don't know. But what I think right now is, you know, what we're just talking about. And I honestly look at guys like yourself, guys like Jordan Peterson, you know, a lot of the things where you were talking about getting along with other people, you know, listener, if you haven't read 12 rules for life, it's a great book. And he talks about that idea of, of getting, learning to

interact with other people. Yeah. Don't let your kids do anything that will make you want to kill them. And it's literally don't let them do things that would make you want to kill them because that doesn't serve them well in the world, right? There's a lot of things that didn't vibe with me in that book, but that one totally vibed with me because ultimately what you teach your kids, the best tools you can give your kids aside from wanting to learn is how to interact with others, how to play well with others, how to make friends, how to listen, how to interact, how to communicate. And in that process, if they have a habit of being a piece of shit and just flipping out every time they don't get something they want they're not going to have many friends and not

just peers they're not going to have teachers that want to teach them they're going to have people that want to take them under their wing that allow them to grow and if you don't have that your kid's fucked you know that's how you end up with the kid that you know goes to juvie when he's 14 and ends up in the shitty school where all the rest of the fuck ups are yeah you know and then and then try getting into college after that you know i went to junior college and walked on an asu there's a path for everyone but my point is it's not an easy path when you when you're not making friends and you're not playing well with others and i think that's a critical piece and i i think we're in a uh you know like an an important, fun, exciting time. Honestly,

like I said, like you and Jordan Peterson and Jocko and Joe Rogan, who all believe this stuff and who have a voice to really like put it out there to kind of put a stake in the ground and like kind of hear the pussification of America, like the toughening of America, you know, like they really instill that. Yeah. You touched on the thing where and i love this have you ever seen a million ways to die in the west i haven't it's so fucking good i know you like comedies it's uh it's by the same guy from family guy says mcfarlane and uh it's in the old west and it's a you know it's making fun of the old west but there's kids running through the streets in the old west by the saloons down these dirt roads and they've got these giant wooden hula hoops with a stick and

the sticks in the middle of it and they're just running with this ring in the stick and uh the fucking old people like these damn kids are gonna go blind playing that ring in the stick game all day long you know they're gonna be they're gonna be retards when they grow up playing the ring and the stick game you know and it's like i think when we look at video games and things like that certainly our generation you know we had nintendo come out atari was pre pre-generation or maybe right when you were born but uh a lot of that sentiment was given to us like you're gonna play video games you're not gonna do shit with your life you're gonna be a loser blah blah blah fill in the blank and that's certainly not true you know that was another thing that duncan brought up on rogan's was like for sure when you're immersed in these ridiculously

complex video games every fucking synapse in your brain is firing right motor control you have even if you're just using your thumbs there's still some component of body movement that's tied to that. You might be sitting on your ass for eight hours, but there's still some type of response from what you see to what you do with your body. And certainly with VR coming out and things like that, that are far more immersive, I don't think that's the issue with our kids. I think the issue is we don't know how to interact with one another anymore. And that's a problem with social media. That's a problem when you say, I have all these friends, but I never see them. They're all online. You know, I'm watching a

video of what you did and trying to create the next cool thing so that I'll get more likes. You know, and there's science that shows a dope, a direct dopamine response, direct testosterone response response especially in men and women too but but dopamine for sure across the board with how many likes you get you know like oh that post didn't get so many and then you feel fucking sad and depressed and mopey i never even first of all i never knew what dopamine was and then i read one of simon sinek's books uh might even start with why or leadership last i don't remember but i learned about neurochemicals, right?

So I just learned what that was. And I was like, oh, that's that little good feeling I get. Yeah, it's your reward response. Like, oh, yeah. That whole world. So my wife, there's two things my wife turned me on to with cell phones. When we were in college, her phone rang.

This is like a sidebar, has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Her phone rang and she was like, oh, I'm not going to take it. And then put it in her pocket. And I was like, you just didn't pick up a phone call that went to your cell phone? Like, it never occurred to me. I have the option of not picking up this phone right now. It never occurred to me. I was like, holy cow, phone screening.

That's what this is. Mind blown. Yeah, it was awesome. But then another thing that one day I put out something. And she said, wow, that got a lot of likes. And I was like, what was that even? I never even even looked at like i didn't i just put stuff out there you know and i guess from a business perspective it's not really good you know calculating how much people are enjoying what you're putting out there yeah but then from that point on i look at

the likes and i'm like oh it didn't get it oh it did get it and then with building something i mean that matters because the interaction algorithms, but it, so operating, so you, we're talking about, you know, playing video games, which is fine. And you're, you're growing, your brain's working, et cetera. But then the other side of that is you also got to interact with people. So that's, that's where it's lost. And kids might say, well, I don't need to do that because I'll just play video games and be Mark Zuckerberg. And I never even have to, but then it becomes, and I, you know, I don't need to do that because I'll just play video games and be Mark Zuckerberg and I never even have to. But then it becomes, and I don't want to speak out of my realm of comfortability here, but then you just become not interacting people and then not interacting

people become robots. And then the human experience is no longer the human experience. So it is extremely important to keep that human experience and connection and interaction alongside the other stuff. Gary Vee all the time talks about that idea that technology is not going to kill anything. Like they were saying with the wheel and the stick, you know, going blind and oh, Facebook and Snapchat and whatever else is out there. But you got to keep up the other end of it too, or it will go to shit. Yeah. You got to be in nature. You have to play with others and you have to interact face to face with people i

think that's the big thing it's not that i mean certainly you can overdo anything i played video games when i was a kid my mom would be like get out of the house all right that's it i said no more you know you had an hour that's it i'm turning it off and she'd come over and just yank the cord out and be like no i didn't even get to save the game i was just about to conquer it mom yeah and then eventually she let me pause it that kind of thing but you'd have to like go outside and play i can't i can't count how many times that was screamed at me and then all right i'm going outside and playing and then you go outside and you play the entire rest of the day especially in summertime with all your friends and it could be anything it could and that's what's cool when you're a kid if you're

forced to through boredom which is critical you use your fucking imagination you have to right so you create games to play you create random things and that doesn't happen like i noticed this with bear because we'll let him watch ipad at times if he's watching ipad he's fixated on the thing right but if we're in the bathtub and it's boring he'll start creating little stories with the fucking dinosaurs like mommy dinosaur is gonna feed baby dinosaur and t-rex is thirsty can you give him some water please yeah and we got a little water cup and i'll let him drink it and t-rex you know he'll sit there and go yeah you know but that's that's fucking critical

to actually be able to think for yourself and have ideas and and that's the muse for all creation right what creativity do you have if everything if your whole working world is brought to you on a silver platter versus how you design stuff and conjure up everything that we have in this world right now was first created in the mind. So if you're lacking that component of free thought and creativity, what good are you? I have two mental notes, right? So necessity is the mother of invention, which is kind of what you just said there. But then also when you're talking about bear in the bathtub, all I can think is shampoo is better. It goes on first and cleans the hair. No, conditioner is better. It goes on first and cleans the hair. No, conditioner is better.

It goes on second and leaves the hair silky and smooth. I can just picture Bear like Adam Sandler sitting there, I don't know, Billy Madison, like knocking him into the pool. I've been thinking that for the last minute since you said that. Right when you started saying that, I saw that giant penguin walking around the house. But not Billy's house, my house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. There's, there's, there's a lot of key components to

what it takes not only to raise a good human being, but with what we're up against. Cause it's, you know, and this is something that, that we had talked about yesterday, you know, when I was mentioning my experience with Ben greenfield and the fact that he had been homeschooled k through 12 it's really easy to see the components of that and you know i have friends my boy ryan giles does like a home homeschooling uh group right no shane does okay so like they, they get the kids, you know, have, they go to different houses where the kids meet up with other kids. So there's a social aspect there. They're not always taught by the same parents. And I think that can kind of bridge the two worlds a little bit better. But, um, just this idea, like you can, there's so much more you

can control when they're in your control obviously that's a shit ton more work right but um when you take them to school which gives you freedom allows for both parents to have some time in the day to live their own life again and and experience life and go to yoga do whatever they want to do whatever's on their radar, you're basically handing them off to something that's broken, right? And we're getting ready to do that right now. You know, I think next week we're putting Bear in preschool. He's got orientation. And, you know, the school looked awesome.

It's a little private prep school. It looks really cool. The kids are great. The teachers are great. You know, They're fundamentally trying to teach kids about the importance of learning and to love learning. And I think a lot of the philosophical points are in tune with my wife and I. At the same time, they're going to run into all of the things that we're talking about. Kids that are super young having their own cell

phone, and then he's's gonna want a cell phone right shit like that kids that would rather you know the the lesson be taught on the tv screen you know versus actually having to physically write with your hand so i met some teacher that was telling me that a lot of young kids have trouble printing yeah you know they took cursive out right but they have trouble printing with a fucking pen because everything is done on an ipad that's absurd so then so so all right that's what like one faculty or one ability that's being lost right picture sitting uh alexa order me make i just saw mick delivery watching the world Cup yesterday. Send me a Big Mac, two Big Mac meals and 20 piece chicken nugget. It's like, are we trying to self implode?

It blows my mind. Did you ever see the movie WALL-E with your kids? No. It's so good. You got to watch it. WALL-E. It's a Pixar. It's one of my absolute favorites.

But in that, it's in the future. We've destroyed the earth with trash. So they ship the humans off on this giant fucking super nice cruise ship. It's out in space. And on it, it's got all the amenities. So everybody's on these reclined chairs that float around like hoverboards. And whenever they want, it just beams up right the cover boards and whenever they want it just beams up right next to them so um whatever they want beams yeah like i want a root beer float

bing it's right there in your hand or i want a cheeseburger it's right there in your hand and they're all fat blimps like they can't move they haven't walked in years they don't know what it's like and then of course as the movie progresses they actually have to walk and use their bodies again but it's like the more we push ourselves towards convenience and and that's kind of i don't know you could be said that humans by nature are searching for convenience that's why we invent technology in the first place right right? Hunting tools, cutting tools, whatever our first technology was, it's about convenience, right? So I don't think we're going to stop that anytime soon. But at the same time, that could be the downfall of many.

It's a gray area for sure. It already is, right? It's a gray area. Like how convenient do you want to get? It's the same thing with automation, like with emails and all this stuff. Like literally, I mean, there's several people who have social media who don't, everything with emails and all this stuff. Like literally you, I mean, there's several people who have social media who don't know

everything's automated and you know, that's whatever there it's a gray line, right? It's a dichotomy that like, you gotta as collectively as a people, I read a book. I think it might've been how Adam Smith can change your life. He's a Scottish philosopher and economist. And he said, no one's in charge. Adam Smith? Yeah. Adam Smith.

How Adam Smith can change your life. It's, uh, but the, one of the things I took from it was, uh, one is he said, there's no such thing as real world validation, right? And that's a thing kids need as well. Like you ain't the champ. You're not the champ. Like that's it. That's real world validation. Uh, but another thing that ties into what you're saying is, is he said, uh, uh, no one's in charge yet. Somehow we're all in charge. No one's in charge yet. Somehow we're all in charge. No one's in charge yet. Somehow we're all in charge. So like this stuff is happening, this balance that we're talking about,

like the convenience, our search for, you know, your brain wants habits. Your brain wants to go the same route. It wants to not think. It's wired that way. But then collectively as a people with no one being in charge, but everyone being in charge,

there's gotta be a line where collectively as a people with no one being in charge, but everyone being in charge, there's, there's gotta be a line where collectively as a per as a people, a human race that we say, or we at least balance that, you know, that scale. Yeah. What are some of the ways that you've sought out? You know, you talk about Jocko Willink. What are some of the ways that you've sought out discipline? Because discipline equals freedom is a really cool quote to throw out and it makes sense when you kind of get that but you know being that we don't fight anymore and we don't have deadlines in the same way at least if we have a deadline it's not the same impact as somebody's going to try to knock my head off. Yeah. Right? How have you taken discipline from your youth in wrestling into discipline as a teacher and discipline in fighting

and apply that to your life now? Yeah, that's not an easy question. And it's a difficult question. And I've thought, you know, Jocko is very matter of fact. You just do it. That's how you do it. You just do it, period. You don't hit snooze, et cetera.

And I mean'm i can't do that and i'm really really disciplined right so even i need like some things to to get me through that and i think the primary one so i think i i lucked out maybe by coming coming across the sport of wrestling and and being absorbed by it from a familial perspective, grew up, you know, wrestlers, we're all wrestlers. And, you know, so I think I lucked into it. So even on the other side of wrestling and fighting, I still, that is my core being, right? So I'm, I'm a disciplined person. So for 95% of my life, I don't need any practices. I don't need any, because I already have it, you know, I've been doing it, but for the average person, that's not, well, okay, Spaniard, I'm not that.

So what are you gonna leave me with, right? So one of the things I've, so my show, so I have a show and it's basically a media hub. What's the name of your show? So we're listeners. We'll link to it in the show notes. For sure, we're transitioning. And honestly, sometimes I call it the Spaniard Show.

Sometimes I call it World's Toughest Lifelong Learner. But if you search Spaniard on any podcast app that's what i made sure like okay just search spaniard you'll find my show and in my my face um but with that show you know i do interviews i i have a what i learned this week so i literally i read i take notes i showed you the notebook yesterday and then and then i picked seven of the neatest learning points out and i created a 20 minute solo episode of this is a cool shit I learned, right? It's like, as if you go to a comedy show and they're telling you jokes, you're going to a show and I'm telling you what I learned.

You know, it could be from a book, a podcast interview, whatever it is. But the part that leads into discipline. So I have a daily series that I put out that's eight minutes long based on what I read that that day or the day before. Okay. And there's all kinds of books that I read business books I've read Steve Martin's book I read Jordan's book whomever Aubrey's book um 523 I think was this 24 was this morning so 524 consecutive Monday through Fridays I posted that right so a lot of people and your eyes got big when I said that a lot of people were like, holy shit, that's really impressive. But to me, it's like, really, it's just reading is a part of me. So I read, you know, six, seven days a week anyway. And it takes, I don't know, eight minutes

to record five minutes to upload. You know, it's like two hours of my day that I got to block out and chunk every day. Okay. So back to the discipline and how you implement it. If that were just for me and I wasn't live streaming it, or I wasn't logging it, or I wasn't posting it, maybe I'd be like, all right, well, I can skip today and do two tomorrow. But because I know, so Scott Adams, who's the creator of Dilbert, he wrote an awesome book called How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big. He said that when he was writing his books, he would imagine that there were a million people waiting for that book to be published, he would imagine that there were a million people waiting for that book to be published. Right. And that would drive him to meet the deadlines, get it done. So when I, when I'm like publishing my episodes, I imagine, you know, that there's

like a million people like, Oh, I can't wait for Spaniards episode. In reality, there might be 50 or a hundred, but I carry that mindset of, no, people are depending on me, whether they are or aren't. And that really kicks me in the butt. So it's like, if you have trouble with discipline, I mean, I guess this is kind of accountability is the thing there, but bring other people into the picture. And if you're still having trouble with that,

bring really important people into the picture that you will let down if you don't do it. And further than that, it's like, I, I, or you, you know, this whole, first of all, I want to say this, and this is not blowing smoke up yours or Aubrey's ass anyway, total human optimization. Okay. I'm blowing it. That's not on Kyle's ass, by the way, it's in the microphone. Total human optimization is up there with just do it as like the best taglines to me ever because with total human optimization you kyle kingsbury aubrey on it you can put out everything but if i don't utilize it it's not worth anything to me right like you can't make me do it right so

eventually if i'm saying um you, bring other people into it, if that doesn't work, bring someone who's really important into it that if you let down, it'll make you feel like you're bad. If that doesn't work, then you gotta look yourself in the mirror and say, I don't really want that thing.

Like, I don't really want that change. I don't really want that responsibility. I don't really want to achieve that goal because at the end of the day, like you have to do it. You know, if I think like there's a million people waiting for me and I'm still going to sleep, then yeah, I'm a piece of shit. And I don't want to, I don't want to do, I don't want to put it out there. Or it doesn't matter to you. Yeah. It doesn't matter. It has to, you have to find the thing that drives you enough that matters, you know, whatever that is,

it's different for everybody, but whatever you're passionate about, that's the fucking thing you go for. And people will say like, like with, especially people in my, and when I say people, I'm not talking about like, I'm talking like my family or my close friends or my, my, my loyal listeners, right? They're like, how do you do it? How do you do it? And my response, a lot of times it's just, I really want what I really want. Like I really freaking want the things that I want. So all the stuff that I don't really want just goes by the wayside. So if people would take a look in the mirror, I was using algae when you're brushing your teeth and just kind of like, a lot of, I love talking to you about like truth and

being authentic, et cetera. Like if you just look in the mirror and say like, I really don't want to stop eating processed foods. I really don't want to lose weight. I really don't want to X, Y, and Z. Then there'd be so much less stress and resistance within yourself. If you were just honest, like I, Spaniard, 37, don't want to eat perfectly. I want to eat really well, like 80% of the time. And that's it. And I'm good with that. So I think that, you know, if people just take the time to do that, you would really be able to lose the stress of, should I eat this thing or not eat this thing? Because you'd know I really do want to eat that thing.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's good to a degree, as long as it's periodic, you know, the slippery slope for most people is, as Rob Wolf talks about in where to eat is that food has been made for us it's genetically i mean it's it's it's tricking our genetics it's tricking our taste buds it's it's composed by some of the best scientists in the world to have flavor combinations not found in nature that are irresistible right he uses that just one pop you can't stop right pringles commercial and it's fucking true right so i mean obviously everything in moderation including moderation but it's a slippery slope for a lot of people

who do have food addiction because sugar is more addictive than fucking cocaine is that's a big deal but i wanted to touch on something i brought this up wasn't on my phone on my phone but i wasn't on my phone uh you talked about with regard to discipline, how important it is that you think of others, right? And there's, that's a big one. When you come to a place in your life where, and this is important for kids to learn too, is that it's bigger than you, right? Whatever that is, it's bigger than you. And if you can think about others and some

act of service, that raises the bar on how important it is to do well for yourself as well as for others, right? So it reminded me of this quote Tate Fletcher posted that is just fucking, it's awesome. It says, listen, I know it's tough. The weight can feel too heavy to move. It's hard to muster the drive for yourself. You're the shit. Know that. Show that. Walk with some pride and swag, regardless of how you feel.

Do your deadlifts. Practice your chokes and sweeps. Do your makeup. Write that blog. Make your bed. Force a smile. Quiet your mind. Whatever electrifies your greatness.

To reach the highest standard of yourself you can muster because you got to know there's a little dude or dudette out there looking learning watching how it's done and god damn it they need to strive they need you to strive walk like you've taken that responsibility don't drop the torch you're the only light they've got you know that's it that's it and especially being a father it's's like, man, my kid's gonna, I want them to believe. So a lot of what I do also is documenting for my kids. I'm gonna be dead. I could be dead tomorrow.

And my kids, like, I want them to know what their dad thought, right? So like, we're raising our kids right now and they're gonna absorb, you know, like I absorb respect. I absorb my dad when I was a kid saying, don't go around telling people how good you are. Let them tell you. I absorb that stuff. But like, I thought, how awesome would it be if literally they had like a daily message from their dad? That's it. So like that all that, that, that at its core drives everything I do because it's like Gracie and Rocky every day, if I'm on 525 right now, by the time I die, hopefully I'm on 10,000 or I don't even know how many days,

if that's only like five years, a long time from now, they're gonna have like a daily log. And to me, that fuels, we were talking yesterday, like it's not easy building something from football career to fighting career to being here at Onnit for you. Like, you couldn't have planned, you couldn't have, you didn't know this, you couldn't have planned it. And it's hard. And I remember when we met in 2012, going on that tour for the troops, you would talk about living in a garage, in your

parents' garage. And like, that's not easy. And the average person isn't going to do that. Like they just, they want it to be, I don't know, easier than that or prettier than that. And it's simply not prettier than that. So kids or adults, it's like, and I, part of what I do also is therapy for myself. I need to hear this shit. When I say you on my show, I'm looking at me in the mirror. I'm saying you, Spandard, you, you, because that's it. And then I'm talking to my kids, and then I'm talking to anyone who will listen. But yeah, there's little dudes and dudettes, and my son and daughter are one of those dudes and dudettes.

And if you're out there, whether you have kids, that should be a no-brainer. If you don't have kids and think of your nephew, your cousin, the kid you teach teach kid in your town you know they pick up on this stuff yeah even somebody who's three years younger than you at the office or on the team or even your best friend you know yeah yeah it's all people we gotta look out for well shit brother we crushed it we got our hour in yeah i i want to put this out there i want to blow some more smoke up your ass blow away i'll fan it towards the tickle right i love being here i love being around you

cow kingsbury i love being around on it i love being around aubrey i love soaking this in because you've opened my mind to stuff that i told you last night 10 years ago i would have said that's crazy that's weird that's insane that's crazy. That's weird. That's insane. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. And now I'm like, wow, I've loved this process of absorbing it, synthesizing, figuring out and just becoming more aware of it. So, you know, I sincerely appreciate being here

and what you were doing. We were, you know, for reference and what he was saying 10 years ago, that'd be crazy. We were talking about the anal fisting tent at Burning Man and me wanting to attend it this year. And he was like, yeah, 10 years ago, I'd say that's weird. But right now I'm like pretty cool with it. No, actually, I think I said, wait a minute.

No, it's still crazy. I said during that same conversation, I said, I feel like I'm on drugs right now. That's right. That's, I said, I feel like I'm on drugs right now. That's right. That's a good conversation when you feel like you're on drugs, man. That's a great conversation. Holy shit, that's reality.

Oh my goodness. Yeah, brother. Well, fuck, where can people find you on your podcast? Search Spaniard. Yeah, so search Spaniard on iTunes or whatever podcast app you have. My website and social media is charliespanier.com. It's got speaking programs.

It's got my collection of learning, basically, is what I'm turning it into. So charliespanier.com. Book lists, things like that? Yeah, reading lists. So I probably, on that reading list, I probably have 70 or 80. Wow.

Yeah. And it's, you know, I don't, you hear people say I read a book a day. I don't read a book a day. I read a book a day. I don't read a book a day. I read a book every five days or 10 days, but I freaking extract everything that I, you know, I for myself and for my kids and for the audience that I think can help kick them in the butt. It's like cliff notes, Spaniard notes.

It's the, yeah, that's, it's like, it's not a summary. It's not, it's, it's just, you know, when you're like waking up or you're at that breaking point in a fight, an actual fight or not a fight, and then you just keep going. That's what I'm trying to provide. But Charlie Spaniard on social media and charliespaniard.com.

Fuck yeah, brother. It's been excellent having you. Thanks, brother. Thanks for listening to the show with Charlie the Spaniard Brenneman. Make sure you click on the links to follow him. Check out his podcast. He puts out more content than anybody I know outside of Joe Rogan, I'd say.

But he does an episode every day, a minute episode about what he's learning, what he's reading, the breakdown, almost not necessarily the cliff notes. He's not doing a summary, but he's breaking that down into what were his biggest takeaways from that. Just a wealth of knowledge, constantly on the grind. He does one interview a week, similar to what we do here at Onnit, and also puts out another episode. I forget what it's about, but I mean, he's doing seven episodes a week for his show. He's also doing a kid show in tandem. Just a phenomenal guy who's constantly on the grind, constantly trying to better himself. And thank you guys for tuning in.

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