Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #88 Juan Leija

Episode Date: May 20, 2019

Onnit Gym GM, Juan Leija, stops by to talk about fitness journey from his humble beginnings lifting weights in a garage to helping grow Onnit Gym and becoming the Barbell Master Coach. We discuss his fitness philosophy and the programs he’s created from Onnit. We also get into plant medicine and an experience he had in Peru. Connect with Juan Leija: Onnit | https://www.onnit.com/pro-team/juan-leija/ Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/juannit_247/?hl=en Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=29620046   Show Notes: Eric Prima Swoldier Leija | https://www.ericleija.com/ Roger Huerta | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Huerta She Comes First by Ian Kerner | https://amzn.to/28LUHNT Barbell Certification Program | https://www.onnit.com/academy/certification/specialist-barbell/ Don Howard | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fQc9THiufg Ayahuasca | https://www.aubreymarcus.com/pages/ayahuasca-documentary DMT The Spirit Molecule | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtT6Xkk-kzk The Physics of God by Joseph Selbie | https://amzn.to/2DFjRiT   Farmers Juice Promo: Get $10 off your first box order by visiting  thefarmersjuice.com/king    Dry Farm Wines Promo: Get a penny bottle of wine on your order by visiting  dryfarmwines.com/kyle   Connect with Kyle Kingsbury on: Twitter | https://bit.ly/2DrhtKn Instagram | https://bit.ly/2DxeDrk Get 10% off at Onnit by going to https://www.onnit.com/podcast/ Connect with Onnit on: Twitter | https://twitter.com/Onnit        Instagram | https://bit.ly/2NUE7DW Subscribe to the Kyle Kingsbury Podcast  iTunes  | https://apple.co/2P0GEJu Stitcher  | https://bit.ly/2DzUSyp Spotify  | https://spoti.fi/2ybfVTY

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or you go to onnit.com slash Kyle for 10% off all foods, including this brand new keto hot sauce and all supplements. Yo, we got Juan Leja on the podcast today, and he's fucking awesome. He's become a close friend of mine here at Onnit. Right when I got here, I started working out with him periodically. I don't work out with him enough, but I'm about to change that. I've been battling a knee injury for the last year and a half that's finally gone. So with that, we decided it was time to take a deep dive into all that is Juan. He's one of the best trainers here at Onnit. He's sought out by many professionals from Wadra Huerta to Tim Kennedy. He works with guys in special forces as well as UFC fighters and everything in between. He's created a women's program because for whatever

reason, all the hot women in Austin decided to work out with Juan. So I think he's got some really good programming tips for women. He's got a lot with unconventional barbell, which is a whole system that him and John Wolfe and Shane Hines started to create here. And they're doing search with it now. Lots of cool stuff around that and then also if you're not into the physical don't worry we got you covered we take a deeper dive into his experiences in the amazon and uh what life was like growing up for him it's just uh it's a dope episode it's one of my favorites and i know you guys are gonna dig it thanks for tuning in clappy clappy we're in brother. All right, bro. Juan Leja is in the house.

The older brother to the primal soldier, Eric Leja. And I want to talk a bit about your background, what got you here. But you've been here at Onnit since the very beginning. Yes, sir. The beginning of the gym workouts, back in Aubrey's garage training dudes. Yeah. And to see it come all the way to where it is now must be an incredible experience. But let's talk about growing up with young Eric and how you guys trained, all the things that got you into this.

What led you here? So what led me here as far as my fitness road was, you know, growing up, I was, you know, a little husky kid, you know? So, so was my brother. We were both kind of like genetically, we're like short and thick, you know, little husky kid, you know? So, so was my brother. We were both kind of like genetically, we're like short and thick, you know, growing up. And at a young age, you know, my dad, fucking my dad was, he was a dick,

but he was, you know, he's fucking cool. You know, like he did things that, like he would take us to the track, actually right down the street here at Onnit. I actually grew up right behind Onnit, you know, less than a mile from here. A quarter mile, actually. Oh, wow. A quarter mile, actually.

So it's crazy how it just comes full circle that I'm here now. But he used to take me to the track, and, like, my dad was always in really good shape. You know, he was kind of like a, I would say, like a hybrid between me and my brother. Just big but lean, you know? And, you know, my brother's more the leaner one out of me and him. I'm more the thicker one.

So he was kind of, like, in the middle between us. So he would take us out to the track, and track and like he would make me and my sister run he would like do his like three mile you know runs and he was like you guys got to run a mile you know obviously you're saying in spanish so my dad's a mexican you know he was like you know like run you know so we'd be running and uh you know from an early start i got that kind of like mindset of like uh fitness, of being in shape. And as much as I did just kind of sit on the couch when I was young, my dad would make us work out.

And to this day, I'm super thankful. And then as I got older, my uncle kind of took me under his wing and kind of did more like the bodybuilding style training at an early age when I was 12. And then when I hit puberty and training, it kind of just like exploded. So then when my brother got older, I kind of had that responsibility. Like I felt like, oh, my uncle did this for me and I had like this knowledge. So I'm gonna help my brother out. So yeah, you know, I would take my brother to the gym pretty regularly. Like he was like, you know, my fucking co-pilot in the car all the time and sometimes you know when you're you know like a teenager you not necessarily always want to hang out with your little brother you

know because you're trying to look for girls and trying to kind of do your own thing so you know but my brother was always co-pilot you know he's always like hey he was there you know my little brother so that was kind of a pain sometimes in the ass because we would like drop him off at gold's gym and then we would do our workout together but you know he was young so he was kind of like he would stay in the gym longer than i would so you know and i you know i was out chasing girls so it's like you know all right you stay in the gym i'm gonna you know i'll come pick you up so he kind of had that responsibility so growing up with him was you know awesome he's kind of like uh he was a huge responsibility because like uh you know my both my parents were

doing business in mexico so they're like traveling back and forth so my brother lived with me and kind of like trained with me and went went with all that as far as that responsibility so he's kind of like my little brother son you know i guess you would say yeah i took a huge responsibility in his like uh development but i don't take full responsibility in his development he kind of found his craft and like you know from an early age you know i'll give him training tips but he kind of like you know did his own research he would read things he would like look up stuff and like yeah he was really book smart yeah yeah he was really book smart you know he was like really dive into like fitness like he's kind of like uh you know, he gets addicted to stuff, and he dives in full out.

You know, obviously he loves kettlebells now, and he goes all out on kettlebells. He fucking kills it, you know? He learned how to make DMT. Went all out on DMT for a year. Yeah, all day. Going all out. Yeah, that's another story.

But, yeah, at an early age, I mean, we dive into that conversation. It was like 10 years ago, 11 years ago. He was living with me, and then i show up one time to the house and you know the house smells like fucking a meth lab you know and i'm like the fuck are you doing dude he's like oh i'm making this stuff you know that i researched online that i saw you know joe rogan like mentioned that he was diving into and like he's doing and so i decided i'll make because i like joe rogan and he like was making dmt and then he like uh was you know back in the day you know he was ordering bark from brazil making it and then you know at the time like we didn't know shit about it really so it was i

wouldn't say it was like the the safe way to kind of go about doing dmt it was more like a experimental phase like yeah smoke this it's called DMT I fucking smoked it I would blast off and I was like the fuck is this I'd be like man what is this I don't even know where I can get myself into it was like it was just a crazy

time so but it was a lot of learning experience from you know making DMT to working out just like you know different things that kind of like developed us into you know from you know making DMT to working out just like you know different different things that kind of like developed us into you know being here now so yeah growing up with my brother you know I love the guy you know I still watch I'll always watch out for him I always got his back you know I know he always has my back so yeah definitely growing up with him as you know had his challenges like any brother you know like you know yeah you butt heads yeah a

couple alpha males you know for sure exactly yeah you know you know stealing all your clothes like damn those are some dope shoes oh those are my dope shoes yeah but yeah and i love the guy you know and it's it's cool that you know like he's my brother he's he's a little he's not that big but strong you know he's strong as yeah and i think he's not that big, but fucker, he's strong. Yeah, he's strong as shit. Yeah, and I think. He's got great cardio too. Yeah, I think he attributes that to, you know, all his kettlebell training. And it's like, you know, I mean, swinging heavy bells is not easy, you know. So I think that builds that strength. And, you know, I kind of learned one day when we were living, crashing on my aunt's couch, both me and him, you know.

Times were kind of tough then. We're sharing couch and we got into some beef early in the morning over something stupid. I think it was over like leaving clothes in the dryer or some shit like that. And he came at me. I went at him. We scrapped. And I was like, oh, damn, he got me.

It was one of those like, oh, a little brother finally got me. I was like, well, you know, my excuse was like, it was like 6 a. oh a little brother finally got me i was like i was like well you know my excuse was like it was like 6 a.m i was half asleep i wasn't fully ready so it was my controller's broken it doesn't count yeah exactly but yeah i love the guy man but yeah man that kind of like that was kind of like the start of like fitness was through my uncle my dad uh you know so you had like a base layer of cardio and conditioning from what your dad instilled in you and then your uncle got you into bodybuilding yeah i think a lot of people if you're in your late 20s to 50s were introduced to bodybuilding

as a big thing in the 70s and 80s yeah right and obviously we're influenced heavily by the muscle mags muscle and fitness all that good stuff. Arnold and Franco Colombo and all those guys like really trying to mimic that model. And then as we evolved from that to more fitness and instead of training body parts, training movement practices, hip hinges, squat, lunge, twist, that kind of stuff. That's where we really see like peak performance come from. But one thing that's always stuck out to me is is and this isn't to knock anyone that's here but you have some very prominent athletes like tim kennedy who seek you out to train with you every time they're here anytime they're in town they're training with you and that says a lot about your training style

and how applicable it is to real world shit like being a special forces operator or fighting in the UFC. So talk a bit about that transition from, you know, traditional bodybuilding, training body parts and having a split to what you're into now, which is really fucking incredible to see. So the way that started, you know, like I said, bodybuilding was the introduction into fitness. And then, you know, I wrestled in high school. And then after that, I thought I was going to be, I wanted to be an MMA fighter, you know, like yourself was like oh i'm gonna do mma then i was like fuck these bodybuilding workouts you know i went to helson gracie jujitsu here in austin i went and i got my ass rolled i was like man i was like these bodybuilding workouts don't do shit so you

know uh i started kind of like investigating a little bit on my end like man like my heart rate was peak. You know, I know I wrestled, but like I was just like put in like some positions where I was like uncomfortable in jujitsu, like getting thrown on my back. I was like, fuck, how do I do that? And it's just like that kind of triggered something. Like I was like, oh, my training needs to like change and I need to do something else. And at the time, my buddy Roger Wertha, you know, he was in Minnesota. He was wrestling.

He just randomly hits me up and say, hey, man, you know he was uh in minnesota he was wrestling he just randomly hits me up and said hey man you know i just got in a fight i was like what do you mean like i fought in some barn and i think he was in iowa or ohio he's like yeah man i went to like go watch a buddy fight that wrestled i went in there and they're like you know this is back in the old days he was like and they needed someone to go up there and fight so i went in there and i fought and i won i was like cool man he's like yeah man i love it in there and I fought and I won. I was like, cool, man. He's like, yeah, man, I love it. I think I'm a cage fighter now.

So then that kind of like, I was like, super cool. Because I grew up watching UFC and everything. I've always been a huge fan. And I think I was most of a fan more than anything. But I was always intrigued with the training and everything. And he kind of introduced kettlebells, TRX trainer, you know, sprint work, things things like that that i wasn't used to and you know that was at age 18 19 when he was uh fighting mma and then he transitioned into fighting the ufc at an early age and he kind of had like uh you know i would say like he was introduced to like new training methods that a lot of the public at the time wasn't familiar with and he introduced

me to that stuff like when i first got a kettlebell you know what was it i was like 1920 i didn't i didn't know what the fuck to do with it you know i was like i was doing swings where i was squatting and like you know like just like you know just like i didn't know what raising it up to the ceiling just lifting it up you know like so you know i was introduced to it and then you know i had to quickly learn because you know obviously the kettlebell the the weight will take you somewhere if you don't know how to control it, you know? So I learned from that, you know, kind of that transition went from bodybuilding to like, oh, okay, I need to start training like, you know, more applicable stuff that's going to relate to whether it be at the time was fighting, you know, so that can like, if I'm going to get my heart rate up, I can still control myself.

And that kind of transitioned that. And as I grew older, I was like, oh man, like, I love the fighting. It's fucking awesome. But I I grew older, I was like, oh man, like I love the fighting. It's fucking awesome. But I love the training. I love like helping someone get from point A to point B. So then I just started doing my research on like, you know, different training methods. You know, you got Joe DeFranco who was, you know,

an influence on me too. He's, you know, awesome coach, you know. Jim Jones is who I mostly resonated the most because I had like a lot of that high volume, high intensity training, you know uh jim jones is who i mostly resonated the most is because i had like a lot of that high volume high intensity training you know and around that time they had the 300 movie come out and i was like man these guys are jacked they're slow like what they're doing for the training i looked up their training it was like cotton crossfit ish you know style and it's just like man the volume that these guys are doing it's nuts so you know i got introduced to that so i started kind of like playing with that but at the the same time, it was not like I wasn't like

dived in into just like one specific style of training. I kind of did like a hybrid of like, you know, bodybuilding moves, which I think, you know, at the time was like more strength training, like squats, deadlifts, things like that. I was doing high volume stuff with like sprint work, which is now like, you know, like HIIT training and then mixing in the kettlebell so i was kind of just like brainstorming and like kind of finding my own way but at that time i kind of learned like i resonated a lot with the jim jones community just because of uh you know mark twight's you know high volume work uh rob mcdonald and jay kutch now all those guys were kind of just like at the front of like that type of training and at the

time i didn't know who i would relate to i was like oh i don't know what the fuck my training is it's all over the place but i resonate with these guys and i kind of started like following kind of their blueprints and then from there i noticed that like that type of training pushes people to like a mental edge where you're just like you know it just you see people break man man it's like and that's like i always wanted to train for that because i never wanted a break and it's like when i knew that i knew i could help fighters with that because like fighters can't break in a fight you know so i was like i gotta push them to that edge where they could stay on that edge on that line and still keep battling and fighting.

And I think in my part, that's the part where I applied the training to it. Because, you know, training is one aspect. You know, their main training is fighting. You know, my goal was to like kind of push them to that edge and get them to that next level but not take away from their fighting. And me through learning all that stuff was just like mind blowing to me. And it's like I applied all those skills that I learned to like people like Roger Wertha, Tim Kennedy, you know, different fighters and things like that. And like my attitude, you know, like sometimes I think people think I'm a little bit too blunt. But my my training style is like, I guess, you know, I'm not that old, but it's just like more old school. I'm not going to be the guy that's going to be like, come on, man, you got this.

You know, I mean, I'm gonna be like, come on, motherfucker. you got this. You know, I mean, I'm going to be like, come on, motherfucker. You got to get this shit done, dude. Like I ain't got all day, you know, it's more of my style of coaching. And like, some people don't relate to it. Some people do guys like Tim Kennedy, you know, they're going to be like, they want to hear the truth, you know? And, you know, when I, whether I'm training them or I'm working out with them, I expect the same thing in return from my training partners where, you know, it's just a workout, but you know, if you can't knock out a workout in the gym in a controlled environment then the world's gonna be a fucking really tough place you know so yeah so i think

that mentality kind of helped with guys like that that you know want want to get pushed to the edge and kind of get really really really really challenged you know in a training environment because i mean these guys are doing things that oh man like you can you can only like see in movies like what they're doing so you know to provide an experience in the gym that's controlled and like pushes them to that level it's what i i i love you know i love that stuff you know and, people love it too. I mean, you see that in your classes. They're maxed out.

You know what I'm saying? Like, anytime I come here, if it's the wrong time and I'm trying to find parking, I'm fucked. I'm parking on the street because every lot, all every parking space in the lot is filled up for your classes. Exactly. Yeah. So you, I mean, fuck, there's so much I want to jump in on. Roger, first of all, Roger Huerta, really as MMA changed, was the face of the sport for a long time. He was the first MMA fighter ever to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

Yes. Like, he was, in his heyday, giant. Yes. Like, he was a fucking giant on the scene of MMA and really talented guy. Also, like, kind of the new guard, you know, like, where you started to see guys like Jon Jones spring spring up and people like that where it was like you got to be good everywhere yeah and you can't just be good at the sport like jeremy horn you got to be fit too like gsp yeah and he represented that so that was that's that's really cool that you know when you look into like the origin story of one you have these prominent people at different places that uh that influence so you're into you're

into a ton of stuff now you've got a women's program you've developed and you've got this unconventional barbell training and i want to break down both of those really because i think i it's fascinating to me you know what i'm saying like everybody knows what a fucking barbell is yes but you've developed a whole cert now at on it where you you get to experience barbell in a way that you've never really experienced it before but let's dive into the women's program first and then get into barbell. Okay. So as far as the women's program goes, I've been training women. I've been in this industry for 13 years. I think the last six years have been more like my growth. Before I was a trainer and I consider myself a coach because I'm not just like training people in the gym.

I'm kind of like have relationships outside of the gym, whether it be, you know, different advice on stuff like that, kind of help people to get to the next level in fitness. So, you know, I consider myself a coach, but I've always coached a lot of women from day one to now. You know, my clientele has been women primarily. And out of all those experiences, it's like, man, I've trained so many women and like, I know what, like what works as far as training goes, what works for them and like, you know, how it gets them like to that next level. So I was like, I got to put this together and I got to like, you know, have a program. So the last, you know, three years I've been able to work on that women's program, put it together. And then I've had women sign up for it. The results have been great. You know, you know, point A to point B, they get there. You know, the goal with the women's programs, you know, it's obviously get them aesthetically, you know, there. But at the same time, get them like, you know, like in my other training with Tim Kennedy and the fighters and people in the gym is to get them mentally strong. So that was my goal with that too, is like, look, we're not going to be doing bicep curls and like, you know, looking in the mirror. Cause you know, as you know, we don't have mirrors here and on it,

there's one in the classroom, but it's like stuff all over that you can't really see your reflection that good. So it's not going to be like, we're not going to be like doing that type of training. Like we're going to train hard. I'm going to push you ladies. Like I pushed the guys. So, you know, I did that as a formulation of my early career of like bodybuilding style training with like high intensity training with, you know, sports performance type training for women. And I developed that and I put it out there and, you know, it's been a success so far. And we're going to have the next one in September, you know, the next round of it. How long does the program run typically? It's eight weeks.

It's an eight week program, you know, and it's like it's for does the program run typically it's eight weeks it's an eight-week program you know and it's like it's for all fitness levels you know you can be advanced or you can be beginner because you make the workout as hard as you can you know we have emoms you got your weight you know we test your weights and stuff like that like uh you're we have four tests that we test and then we kind of retest them at the end of the program so the workout is like you make your own challenge but at the same time I'm not I already know I'm not gonna let you just like sandbag it. Yeah. So it's been great to do that. But at like, at the same time, I needed the pieces to help me out with that. You know, like, I, you know, I'm like, I'm doing different programs, different things, you know,

I had to have like women to help me out. And I have like Natalie, which is one of our coaches here in Krista, that helped me out with the program. And you know, they've been doing a great job taking lead because you know, I love the programming aspect. And I have like Natalie, which is one of our coaches here in Krista that helped me out with the program. And, you know, they've been doing a great job taking lead because, you know, I love the programming aspect and I love helping people, but, you know, I also like developing other programs. So, you know, I like having my attention on that, but I think, you know, having women also contribute to that, it's a huge benefit. And now we, you know, I built this program out, but, you know, obviously with different populations, you got to adjust this program out but you know obviously with different populations you got to adjust the program it's not always going to work for everyone and with their feedback it's been great that we made adjustments from like what was just in my mind

and what i put on paper and all that uh you know i'm not a you know i don't know the right word would be like a closed book i'm always open you know i want want to hear other people's opinion because I think I know something. You're still a student as well. You're always learning. That's something that fascinates me about you and John Wolf is that you're consistently trying to learn more. Yes. And it's like these ladies have a view that I don't. I'm not a woman.

So I don't. I've trained many women. But I still don't have that insight. And having their feedback into this program has been great because I think we are developing something that's going to make some really strong women, you know, like not just strong condition and looking good, but mentally be warriors, you know, just like crushing it. And I think that's what, that's what motivates me in fitness is like, I love my job. I love coaching.

I love getting people from point A to B to C to D to keep going. You know, I've had people training with me for years and years and like, man, some of these people can coach, they can open up their own gym and they still come to me and they're like training. I'm just like, man, this is crazy. Yeah. You're talking about, you know, like when you're, when you're a man leading a women's program, how you need that female influence. There was a book that changed my life in college called She Comes First and it's on how to how to fuck better it's all sex you know like you know like how to how to how to munch box sorry if there's ladies listening i'm using a derogatory terminology here but um but yeah how to how to uh how to eat pussy like all these things

and it's a dude who writes it and then but he brings in lesbians because like they know the female body better than anybody they own one and they work on females like so i like i think that that it reminded me of that book she comes first and it's a must read if you've never heard of it before there's a half a papaya cut in half on the cover of it so that's how you recognize the book but that was a game changer yeah that was a game changer for me in college i think it's so important to have that balance too when you're, and that again, just goes back into that student mentality, like always learning, being receptive, being an open book,

where it's not like, I've been doing this. I mean, you've been doing this way longer than Natalie and Krista, right? Yeah. But there's still something you can learn from them. Yeah. You know, like the best guys on the mat in jujitsu, black belts that have been doing it for 20 years, they can learn from a white belt if they're paying attention and they take their ego out of it. They're going to learn all sorts

of shit, right? Yeah. That's pretty important. Well, let's talk barbell here because we got, we got all sorts of cool shit to go over when it comes to this. Yeah. So the barbell cert, you know, something that, you know, when John Wolf came into the, you know, to the fitness scene on, not the fitness scene, but to on it, you know, he was more heavy on the unconventional side and I was heavier on the barbell side, but I use barbell more for like strength training aesthetics. I wasn't doing like powerlifting or things like that. But that barbell was a huge tool that I use for all my training. So, you know, we kind of like mix, you know, kind of like ideas and stuff like that in the way I was training. Cause I was still using the barbell in a high volume, more unconventional way. So, you know, of like ideas and stuff like that in the way i was training because i was still using the barbell in a high volume more unconventional way so you know we had to piece

something together and he gave me all the respect you know because like uh like john always tells people that when we first met we're gonna get in a fight i was like no we weren't john we're gonna get a fight we just you know we had a little like a little disagreement on something but it was just miscommunication yeah and it wasn't like't like, oh, never fight the guy. He's one of my best friends. And it was like, it was just a miscommunication, but John's one of the,

you know, a great teacher, a great mentor, you know, and he helped me kind of like develop this cert. And it was just not just my cert, it's the Onnit cert that both me, him and Shane kind of like put together.

And not just us, it was like people that train in the gym, help us, helped us with all this. Because Barbell has been around forever. I mean, it has been like for a long time. It's one of the, you know, it's not as old as the mace or the clubs, but it's a tool that's been around for a long time. You know, I'm not the strongest. I'm not the most conditioned. You know, I use a barbell for what applies to me and I use it for my clients and how it helps them out. So, you know, we developed this course where we're using landmines, we're using offset barbell, we're doing barbell complexes, you know, all that,

all that stuff that's a little bit different, but, you know, still the same. And, you know, applying that to fitness, you know, like on a barbell, like offset barbell looks kind of weird. And, you know, like I don't really go to corporate gyms as much to work out, but, you know, I'm doing like offset barbell lift where like, there's one plate on one side and there's no weight on the other side. I mean, and I'm doing this lift. And if you haven't tried this, I mean, obviously train up for it and then kind of like, kind of work your way up to like, and start light. Yeah. Start light.

But you know, it looks weird, you know? And when I'm at a corporate gym kind of practicing this, most people are looking at me like, man, the guy forgot to. You know? And I'm like, Oh, Hey dude dude there's no weight on the other side what are you doing and i have like a 45 on one side so yeah it looks weird but it's like i mean when have you lifted something that's just perfectly you know yeah in the real world yeah distributed the weights just distributed perfectly i never have i lift the couches tvs there's a you gotta like find your way your angles on how to naggle every little inch's a you gotta like find your way your angles

on how to naggle every little inch of it you gotta figure it out and i think that you know doing like unconventional barbell training is where we kind of like you know special like not specialized but we kind of like try to like reintroduce it to the public you know like kind of like look these lifts have been around for a long time you know and now we're just trying to make it available for people through a barbell cert that we put together that you know a lot of time has gone into and you know challenges people in different ways you know we still go over your basics you know your your hinge pattern your squat patterns your push patterns things like that but then we apply them you know like with different like different uh setups whether like i said offset barbell or the landmine which challenges you like

what's explain the landmine is that the one that goes on the bottom of rack and you stick like one end of the barbell into it yes and then so you're doing like presses and it's working the core and different things yes so you know yeah so you know i love the landmine we do we explore it with like you different configurations we have a cup that you use that you put against the wall so you can travel with that anywhere if you find a barbell you just push the barbell into it and the thing that's different with that setup is that you have to provide tension driving the barbell into the cup when you're not being held in yeah it's not being held in so it's like the tension that you're providing is just lighting everything up and it's just challenging you so much but then you go into like just a normal

landmine setup. It's like, you know, you're doing all these moves that are taking, you know, all that spine compression, you know, you're taking all that off. So you're doing a little bit safer style training. But it's also like gives people access to doing squats with a barbell, you know, whether you're doing RDLs, deadlifts, presses, things like that. And, you know, not just because it looks weird or cool but it actually has you know this application you know you got guys like you know uh ben bruno that crush it with the you know the landmine he was the guy that you know kind of brought it out and it's just like he's done some awesome work with it so you know i've you know looked a lot of his stuff up and you know things like that and it just like sparks ideas and with what we're doing so you

know like i said this is not stuff that we made up. It's not stuff that, you know, we created. It's been around for a long time and it just, our interpretation of the barbell. And it's like, you know, we go over the landmine, the complexes, you know, the fundamentals of it. And then we also kind of like tie it all together into our system, which is like, you know, you can train hard all the time, but the thing that people always strip out with, I'm training women, Tim Kennedy, the badasses of, you know you can train hard all the time but the thing that people always strip out whether i'm training women tim kennedy the badasses of you know the gym you know it's like we do open chain mobility and decompression and we tie that all up in the in the cert and a lot of things that people always ask me what's open chain mobility what's decompression it's like you know that's what gets you warmed up and gets you cooled down, you know, but we do a different, different approach to it, which, you know, has been game changing for me in training. And,

you know, it's cool to like apply it and show people in a barbell cert. Cause you know, like, as most, as you know, I even back in the day, I think you might've even done this like, Hey, warm up. I'm on a treadmill for 10 minutes. I used to do that shit, you know? I'm on a treadmill and then go fucking lift some heavy weight. You know, now, you know, like, like, I mean, I have, I warm up my clients like 15, 20 minutes. You know, we're doing your open chain mobility. We're doing your specific warmups. And then you're doing like a little bit of cardio work, not getting the heart rate up, not taking anything away from the workout. But, you know, we're getting a little, getting the juices flowing.

You know, we're not trying to like just hop in there and fucking try to deadlift over 500 pounds and then fuck yourself up you know yeah they got to prep the body so with the cert we tie all that stuff in together and i think that's what makes it a little bit different you know than the other certs that are out there you know it's just a different interpretation of the barbell with the unconventional style and then tying it up to what we do in the honored academy as a whole that's so sick so people can come here obviously for the for the cert and if you're a lady you can come here for the women's classes and sign up for the eight week course yes what of this has been made available online do you have any any programs through honored academy or anything like that that is the goal that's what we're working on

right now that's one of the questions that i get asked the most on uh you know with my followers and people that you know email me and stuff like that like oh when's your program coming out when you're doing this and it's like uh you know we're working on that hopefully you know in the summer end of the year we can have some program out there would that be something similar to like the on it six yeah you guys have like video six but probably not as high production because it'll be like my program it's not going to be like i got you won't be in an on honor program yeah it'll be on a program but it won't be just like like all the bells and whistles yeah yeah you know i'm just trying to get like you know like hey look this is what we're doing blah blah blah and knock it out you know but like my

i'm the a big believer is i don't like you know if you're going to release a program you know you got to have trial and error you got to do it on yourself training on yourself and then you know yeah train people for free you know on doing this program because they're testing shit out for you you know and you know like hey man you can you want to do this program with me and you know hey it's free but we're testing shit out so don't don't get like frustrated with me you know so it's you know i'm a big believer in like you know testing the stuff that you put out there before, you know, not just, you know, I can write up shit and then like, Oh, I'll do this. And it was like, have you ever done that? Yeah. It was perfect on paper. Yeah. It was hard to sell. That didn't flow the way I do. So, you know, I'm like clearing all that stuff up, kind of like testing all that

stuff out right now. You know, we call the gym the gym the lab because we test a lot of the programming out in there and like you know once that's set we're gonna you know hopefully push it online by the end of the year and have stuff on there because you know i do i love coaching and i think coaching to me is like a way that i connect through fitness because that's you know that's what i do so fitness i'm able to connect with people and like you know i know some people might think it's just fitness but man i love it and i love seeing people go from point a to point b and you know like i said it's cool to see people's body transformations but it's cool to see their mindset go from fucking like being here to being fucking like owning shit you know and you see that every day in the gym from people that walk in from day one to like day 30 the way they're like

posture is it's not just from training it's not like that we're working on just on posture, but it's their confidence levels. And I love fucking seeing that shit. I love seeing people just like, that's the piece that, that extends into all areas of life, you know, like whatever. And that's just straight out of Wim Hof's book or any of these teachers that tell you to push yourself to the edge of whatever the experience is, whether that's breath work, cold therapy, or your workouts, all that that shit matters all that gets extrapolated out into everything you do and i i fucking i know i butchered this quote before and i'll butcher it again but it's something like mastery and anything equals mastery and everything because once you learn how to be a

master in something that translates into everything you do right it's not like oh you're you know michael jordan wasn't the greatest basketball player of all time and then became the greatest golfer of all time obviously there's limits to that but he's fucking good at golf you know i'm saying he's good at a lot of things that he did he's great at business too so thinking about those things like it really does make sense because so much of our experience here has to do with the mental in anything we do so much of it has to do with the mental well obviously when you push yourself and i've experienced this myself through fighting and things like that when you push yourself which you have to a level and you're constantly exploring your own boundaries

that really does dip into how you train the mind but i wanted to get into some minds mindset stuff like what are the the general principles that you have that are important in life and what are the practices you have to slow the fuck down because on it's moving at an incredible pace and obviously that can that can lead you to like a frantic mind where you're like fuck it'll never stop it's go go go go go how do you slow shit down and reconnect so the way i my mindset you know i've been here for a long time and i put in hours but you know it's one of those things where people say work smarter not harder you know i put in hours where i'm here 6 a.m leave at 9 p.m and at that point you know i'm interacting with a lot of people you know with people a lot so mindset's on point when i'm at work you know but at the end of

the day sometimes i gotta go and be by myself you know i gotta just like focus on me and you know that time is important you know for my mindset i gotta go home gotta relax not talk to anyone i watch tv read a book foam roll stretch you know they do all that stuff just by myself because i'm around people all the time and i love it but you know for mindset, for me to be like good the next day, I got to like put some men back in the tank for myself, you know? And I think that's what gets me like, you know, back to like normal. It's like kind of that time where I just like go on a run by myself. Whether you believe it or not, I mean, I weigh 220 pounds

and I'm like, I fucking love running. I'm not built to run. Like my feet don't, are not like, my feet fucking hate it. But I love running. I love, like, the endorphin high. And that's, like, where I just, like, you know, that's where the mental stuff comes in. You know? It's, like, that conditioning work.

You know? The runs. The biking. The rowing. The skiing. Like, all that stuff. It's where, like, you know, sometimes I'll have headphones. Sometimes I don't.

But, you know, I'm going through that stuff. And that's where i challenge myself you know it's like when you were fighting i'm sure you're training like fuck you're in your head like i gotta fucking do this i gotta do this you know and that for me running and conditioning works like that i'm running like i'm like why the fuck am i running this is fucking stupid you know it's like i don't need to run i'm not built to run like and then like no keep running pussy like keep moving dude just knock it out just knock out this run and it's like i have conversations with myself and conditioning work and it's like i like those conversations you know because it's like it lets me explore myself and i think that's where i gravitate for fitness it's like i've had these conversations with myself i'm sure the people

that i'm training are having that stuff in their head too like fuck Juan hate that guy this is that you know why did I say yes to going to this class yeah why am I here for a living yeah so things like that so it's like you know I guess that's where like my mental like preparedness kind of like comes is like from like working on myself on like whether it be conditioning work meditation reading you know I mean my mental game comes from like my family I love my family I I'm close with my mom I'm close with my brother you know, I mean, my mental game comes from like my family. I love my family. I, I'm close with my mom. I'm close with my brother. You know, I'm thankful that I have my grandparents, you know, and, you know, I just had, it was Easter just, you know, was two days ago, hung out with my grandma, you know, hung out with my aunts, you know, have a real close relationship

with all of them. And I think that's what keeps me grounded. You know, like, uh, I don't come from a privileged family, you know, uh, my family, they're immigrants, you know, from Mexico, you know, they've came here, they've made it, they, you know, they're making it and, you know, they're kind of, you're progressing. And I think that, that, that pushes me to be better. It's like seeing them, you know, kind of like, look, they came from nothing to, you know, they're, they're living life, you know? and i think that to me is what motivates me it's like i want to you know make them proud you know like i do you know i love i love all my family like i just so it makes so much sense because they talk about like the beginnings of

this country and obviously there was a lot that was wrong with the beginnings of this country but some of the stuff that was right is a lot of the immigrants that came here had to bust their ass because they started with nothing. And that got handed down generationally. Right. And that's really almost to a fault where we are in our go, go, go mentality. But there's something to be said for hard work. Right.

And then you look on the flip side of that. Some of the wealthy kids that grow up with everything, they don't want to do shit because they've had everything handed to them. You know, and I'm sure, I mean, I don't know what it was like at your high school, but I remember a kid rolling up in an F50 Ferrari and I was like, good God. You know, and that dude's successful now. I ain't going to shit on him. But I'm saying like there was, and he's a homie of mine. I'm going to say that.

But, you know, like some kids had it better than others. And, you know, there's a lot of people out there that start off well, and it doesn't translate to a better experience in life. You know what I'm saying? So that's really cool to see that. You know, I get that, you know, trained with Cain Velasquez. Very similar story. Parents were immigrants.

He grew up in Yuma. His dad was a strawberry picker in Yuma. And back in Californiaifornia he'd go back and forth seasonally working on that stuff and like you look at a guy like kane like he's just all work ethic he's all go you know he never stops so for sure uh you've been to the amazon i want to talk about this i talked about dmt with your brother yeah but uh you know dmt for people that haven't had it it is i recommend DMT, The Spirit Molecule, or reading the book.

It's even better by Rick Strassman because that'll give you a good look at that. But it can be almost indescribable because it's so fast and there's so much and you try to come back and put it into words. And as Terrence McKenna said, there's not really language for that experience, right? It doesn't have been developed yet.

But in the Amazon, doing ayahuasca and huachuma and some of these other plant medicines, you can describe that experience a little bit easier. So, I mean, talk a bit about your experiences and what you've gained when you've gone to the Amazon, because I always find this fascinating with people. Yeah. So, I mean, my story is a little bit different, you know, going to the Amazon. You i enjoyed it it was cool you know i was lucky to go out there with a group of friends you know with aubrey and you know the crew going down there you know to peru you went to spirit quest yeah down hard yeah we went down higher spirit quest i went down there and it was it was an amazing experience but you know heading down there when uh everyone was setting up the trip it's like hey we're gonna go to the

amazon i was like fuck you know i was like don go to the Amazon. I was like, fuck. You know, I was like, don't get me wrong. I come from like, you know, like, I'm not like privileged or anything like that, but I'm going to the jungle. I was like, we're going to have to shit in a fucking like hole in the ground. That was my mind. I was like, this is what we're doing.

So we show up, Spirit Quest is nice. I was like, man, this is a dope spot. I was like, all right. So we get there and I'm like, all right, this is definitely, you know, it was not what I was expecting. So, yeah, let's roll with it. So we go in there i'm like all right this is definitely you know it's not what i was expecting so yeah let's roll with it so we go in there you know we're all you know we're obviously we're fasting and then we're eating the food that has like no seasoning on it which was fucking brutal for me because i love food you know it's like it was brutal but you know i know that you know it helped out you know helped in the process so that happened you know that, you know, it helped out, you know, helped in the process. So that happened. You know, we went, you know, we made the ayahuasca.

And then, you know, I do tell the story. I'll be completely blunt the way I tell it. You know, we're doing, you know, like I'm super open to everything, you know, but I also have like my thoughts in my head. You know, so we're doing our, you know, like our little chants or like, you know, our songs to like to kind of find our spirit animal and things like that. And we're going. Everyone's kind of meditating and things. I open my eyes and I'm like, fuck, what the fuck am I doing? I'm from the hood.

I'm out here in the jungle fucking meditating. And I'm looking for a spirit animal. And these were my thoughts. I'm like, a part of me was kind of still closed-minded about it. I was like, this is silly, this and that. And then see like my spirit animal like it's what i envisioned in my head i'm like all right well i saw something and it was a peacock but then it was a it wasn't just one it was a peacock and a bear so it was two so i asked don howard you know shaman and i'll ask him like hey don howard i saw you know like when he was asking i was like i saw a peacock and a bear i was like what does that mean he was like oh you'll you know you'll know and you know he's

super nice guy fucking the guy he's i love him because he's not a dude that's gonna explain shit for you well you know so that was the thing so then to me in my head my like you know like the way i was like man he don't know what he's talking about i probably caught him off guard with the peacock and the bear he's probably like he's never heard that know what he's talking about. I probably caught him off guard with the peacock and the bear. He's never heard that one before. He's like, this guy's strange. He has a peacock and a bear. But that was just me being like silly and like kind of like thinking that.

So then we go into the ayahuasca ceremony and we're doing, you know, drink the ayahuasca and, you know, I had done, I didn't do ayahuasca. I i did farmahuasca with my brother with no shaman just me and him which that's another story on its own which is crazy but you know we did we did the ayahuasca and it's you know it's the whole group it's a lot of people in there and then i start you know i'm puking i'm like la purga yeah it's coming out i'm like and i'm like i think by lana which is one of our friends was like man i thought you were dying back there or something because i was like and it got to the point where it was just like i could not handle it i was like i have nothing

else to throw up i'm like i'm done i was like this is horrible i was like what did i get myself into and then i got to start seeing visions but like my visions were not like like i was i battling any demons, you know, or anything like that, that I'm aware of. I was battling something, but it wasn't like, it didn't come into effect there. And it was just like, for me, it was just like a party. It was like just a party. But I was still puking. So before they got to the party, I was puking my brains out. And I was like, man, I need this to stop. And then, so my spirit animals, when I did it, and this is what I played in my head, what I saw. When I was like, the bear told me, like, when he's like, hey, when you feel in trouble, just holler at me.

And I was like, what's that? And the bear had like a, you know, kind of like a twang, kind of like how I talk, you know. He's like, yeah, just holler at me. Like, I was like, all right. So I just said, hey, homie, give me some honey. You honey you know he said just just holla that and then he'll pop up and this is my interpretation in my head so i'm like give me some honey like in my head i'm saying this and then the bear and the peacock pop up in my vision like they just pop up like hey man i'm like what's up they're like dance it out i'm like dance it out i love dancing so i mean i kid you not it's a dark room

i stand up i start dancing i'm just moving i can't see shit i'm like you know in another world i'm dancing i start feeling better like oh man baron peacock right you know so i started getting after it and then it just turned into a party but for me the experience was like a benny benassi video the old school dj women dancing different colors and it was just like holy shit this is fun i had a it was like an experience so to me it wasn't like i didn't feel like it challenged me when i was like battling through the purging and all that. But I just knew like some, like the message that I got from there, sometimes you got to call on people to help you out. And my spirit animal was a Baron Peacock and I had to call them for help.

And then that kind of translates like to life now. Like I didn't take this, this message right at the time because I didn't know. But you know, I see that now it's like, oh, when I need, if I need help, I can't do everything. I don't have all the answers. I try to surround myself by smarter people than me that know how to do things way better than me. And, you know, sometimes you got to ask for help and never be afraid to ask for help. And I think that's the message from what I got from Ayahuasca. And it was an awesome experience that I even like, I think I was the first one done. Like, I like fell asleep fell asleep i was like and then i was next to our friend ct was next to me and apparently i guess i was snoring i didn't know i snored

i was snoring that ct like he's in history he bumps me like wake up stop snoring all right cool so now you know the ayahuasca experience was awesome you know and like i said at the time i didn't really know what like what the message was but like i said like that you know kind of like asking for help don't ever be afraid to ask for help because like you know like i said you can't do everything on your own fuck yeah and so much of that you know like how people think of la purga is only puking but it can be crying it can be laughter it can be your brains out yeah many of my experiences uh it can also be dance and movement and yoga right because like we have energy that gets built up inside us and you could look at this from a uh quantum physics standpoint auras that kind of chakras or you can look at this as just like actual

physical energy but as that stuff gets pent up these emotions are stored it has to be physically expressed right it's not enough to just change your mind about something and say oh okay i'm healed now like no you gotta fucking get it out of you yeah and so it makes perfect sense that that was the medicine for you was just to dance and move it you know and i've been in plenty of ceremonies where i've seen that like fucking our boy aaron alexander yeah he's fucking yeah the most ridiculous ecstatic dance i've ever seen like complete with wim hof breathing and sweat the smell of his body permeated the whole room we were like he was getting it yeah but like that that physical expression and that's something i mean

again like and i always say this when i talk about uh plant medicines or drugs if you want to be blunt is that a lot of these lessons can be taken. That's why I talk about them. A lot of these lessons can be taken without the medicine. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're feeling kind of funky and you fucking forced yourself to dance, you're going to feel better after.

You know what I'm saying? And if you, and it was cool too, as you were in a dark room, you don't have to worry about people looking at you. You know, it's kind of like when, when Perangi does the ecstatic dance and he blindfolds you. You know, like that's when you're going to dance free because you know no one's watching. It's not dance like no one's watching.

Yeah, I'll dance because no one's watching and really get after it. That's really cool. And then you guys went into Wachuma after. Is that right? Yeah. Wachuma was awesome. I mean, I've done Molly and stuff like that. It kind of reminded me of that feeling.

And it was fucking, it was amazing. Like, I mean, like the, that experience, like the, I mean, obviously being surrounded by awesome people kind of helps that experience. For sure. So, you know, kind of being in the jungle, walking through the village and things like that, just kind of seeing life on a different, you know, like a different scope, you know, like these people that are living in the jungle, you know, like a different scope, you know, like these people that are living in the jungle, you know, like seeing that and, you know, appreciating the way they

live life and they're like making it happen, you know, to me and make, Hey man, I'm fucking grateful for what I got. You know, I'm grateful for the people that I'm surrounded with and what Chuma kind of just like opened up my eyes to that. I was just like, Oh, just like really observing things. And I think the lesson that I got from that was that now, I mean, I'm grateful for everyone, but I try to, you know, one of the things I love doing is people watching.

And I'm always like, when I get super high, I'm like, man, why is, you know, like whether it be a homeless person, like what got this person to this position? Or, you know, someone that's very successful, what got them to this position? I like, I'd like formulate things. And then I'm, you know, I love making friends. So then, I mean, I'll talk to a homeless man. I'll get them to this position. I'd like formulate things. And then I'm, you know,

I love making friends. So then, I mean, I'll talk to a homeless man. I'll talk to a successful person. Hey, you know, just make conversation to see little bits of their, you know, their story.

And it's, you know, you learn a lot, you know? And I think older people, you know, seniors are like, those are the most fun to talk to in my opinion. Because you talk to them and their stories are fucking amazing. And I think that's what I learned is just like, it just opened me seniors are like, those are the most fun to talk to, in my opinion, because you talk to them and their stories are fucking amazing.

And I think that's what I learned is just like it just opened me up to like being open to everyone. You know, I fucking I don't hold grudges on anyone. I fucking like, you know, like, you know, I don't hate anyone. I don't like having people hate me. You know, like, you know, I bought someone back in the day that I, you know, either I beat him up or he beat me up, whatever. If I see him down the day, we shake hands. Hey, man, what's up, dude? You know, like I like it opened my eyes to that.

It's like, dude, treat everyone the way you would treat your family members. You know, and I think that's the message that I got from that. Just from seeing from what you were just seeing everyone like all my good friends and then seeing all these people that were just walking around like, hey, we're all the same. And it's just like to me, it's like I try to live my life like that like I just try to treat everyone equally and I try to protect those that aren't treated equally and you know that's that's the message that got me you know from that that's dope brother yeah yeah Henry Rollins I remember him on Rogan talking about how important it is to to travel and and when you experience these third world countries and different cultures,

and you can see like they have so much less by our understanding material wise and so much more in a lot of ways. They have community. They have a sense of purpose and they find happiness with less, with a meager existence, like a fucking dirt floor.

Like there's four walls and a roof but there's no fucking carpet there's no there might be a rug but it's mostly living on dirt you know like in that still to like obviously we can survive in a lot of ways we've been doing that for a long ass time it's only very recently do we have air conditioning and refrigerators and all this modern science but rewinding that you can still see there's a fuck ton of people on this planet that live like that. There's probably more people on this planet that live that way than live the way we do, for sure.

Think of India and China where there's billions of people. Yeah, there's a lot of people that are living meager existences and are still drawing happiness and finding purpose and meaning out of life. And that's a really cool thing to have that direct impact, especially on the medicine because it's so visceral when you're on the medicine and you see that and you're like, okay, okay.

It's a huge perspective shift. It's very palpable. Yeah. And like I said, to me it was like, at the time I didn't realize it, but like months out it was like, oh, this is what I learned from it. You know, it was like, it wasn't right then and there. I like noticed something. But then later in time, I was thinking,

and I would think about my experience. I was like, oh, that's the message that I got from that. And that's the message I got from that. But one of the bigger ones was the closing ceremony. Remind me of the name. Vilka? Vilka. Oh, man. That was brutal man yeah that was brutal so that was you know like uh my best friend that i grew up with you know from like the age of like 17 18 to like right about close to 30 my buddy

hugo you know he passed away you know and he was like my he was like a brother to me he was like he was always with me and my brother you know with Aubrey Sean all of us he was like one of us you know and he was like one of my best friends and he just he got stabbed at a party you know and it was just man he got stabbed in the leg and it just hit the wrong place you know and it just like he passed away so to me it was like I was battling for that forever because like he was a guy that like we'd go out together all the time. We'd travel together all the time. He's my best friend. He was like, he was like another brother to me. And I was battling with that. Cause I was like, man, like I fucking miss that guy. Like he was my homie. Like he was my brother. And to have someone

so close to you pass away and you saw him on his last day, I had dinner with him, you know? And he was like, Hey man, I'm going out. And then I was like, well, I'm going to go home today. You know, I'm going to go home tonight. And he going out and then i was like well i'm gonna go home today you know i'm gonna go home tonight and he went out and that's when that was his last day and to me it was like i kept playing that in my head like man what if i got on and out that probably wouldn't happen i would have like backed them up i would have done this you know but for whatever stuff happens it happens but you know for a long time i was battling that in my head i was just like man like it's fucking me alive you know sucks and then eventually you know through that ceremony it was brutal man like his intense you know like i felt

like i was legitly dying like my body just like tightened up and i saw my buddy like i saw my buddy in that that ceremony you know like i saw like i saw him as an energy you know he wasn't like a human being he was an energy and he just just like, whether this is in my head or it's the real deal, he came and talked to me. And we would always talk about, man, we need to do this. Hey, we need to do that. And his message, hey, what's up, brother? It was like energy, but I was still able to give him dabs and stuff like that.

It was kind of weird. But I was able to talk to him. And he was just, hey, man, keep doing what you're doing. Don't slow down, man. I'm good. I'm all good, man. I got your back all hey, man, like, keep doing what you're doing. Like, don't slow down, man. I'm good. Like, I'm like, I'm all good, man. I got your back all the time still. So just keep doing what you're doing.

And this is what I played in my head. But, you know, from that point on, I was like, hey, man, he's good. And that kind of gave me that clearance because that was the one thing that I was like, kind of like, it was bugging me a little bit, you know? Like, it was bothering me a lot. And it was just like having that, like, off my shoulders was great. great and it was like i felt like he was the person that said it through the medicine it was like hey you know like all good brother like keep moving keep doing your thing you know like don't back down keep being who you are and it's just like that was like to me that was the most you know i don't know the groundbreaking is the right word but it was like where i got like

past something where i was like damn, that line was right there. And that pushed me over. And fucking life is good. Yeah, brother. Yeah, Vilca's a special one. I think there's a two-episode Peru breakdown that Aubrey, me, and Caitlin did on Aubrey Marcus' podcast. And it's cool.

We talk about our Vilca experience. But for me, that was my only time with Vil with vilka it's for those that don't know 5meo dmt and then dmt and bufotinine and it's two different plants that are combined so they have about equal parts of everything and it's like a 90 minute dmt trip with purging you know like i pissed the bed i fucking puked my brains out like it was like nothing else. But in that experience, I felt my ancestors and my first coach, Maestro Wietse, who was a cut man in the UFC, I felt them right there with me. I could see them. So it's really cool to think.

And for those that haven't seen it, watch DMT, The Spirit Molecule, read the book. There's a lot that goes into this. And when we start scientifically backing the spiritual world, you know, you can, it really starts to make a little bit more sense, you know? And I think there's a really dope book called the physics of God. We'll link to it in the show notes. Dr. Dan Ingle turned me on to it. It's awesome. It's all the way that science is catching up to the spiritual world, but that shit makes sense to me. You know, if this is infinite and we are to last forever that, you know, whoever dies, it is just a transition past that and everything is conscious and i think

there's so many lessons we get from the plants that let us know that that it's not just man is here and everything else is inanimate you know like no everything's animated everything has the same consciousness we do so that's dope man well man. Well, fuck, dude. What do you got? You got anything to promote? Anything that's coming out? Well, we have, you know, the Barbell Cert coming May 11th and 12th here in Austin, Texas. It's going to be our unconventional Barbell Cert. Like I said, if you're interested in learning how we tie things together and kind of a different approach into the Barbell, come check us out.

It's going to be a fun time. Dope community here in ATX and especially here at on it dope community from everyone that surrounds us to everyone that comes to the search so yeah join in and then we'll have the women's program in september sick brother and where can people find you online uh i'm just you know my instagram handle is just uh shit what's my wanted j-u-a-n-n-i-t underscore 24 7 you know you follow me on there i post a lot of workouts and stuff like that you follow me on my stories it's gonna be more food than anything tacos kind of go hard on the tacos so yeah if you're trying to eat healthy you probably shouldn't

check my stories because you know a lot i get a lot of messages like damn bro you're fucking your your food stories are probably more better than your workout stores. So I started laughing. I was like, you know, they rival them. So yeah, man, you know, want to give me a follow? Go for it. If not, it's all good. Awesome.

Well, where's your favorite? I know you do the tacos a lot. What's your favorite taco joint in ATX? My favorite taco spot? Man, I like Rosita's Al Pastor on East Riverside. I'll check it out. They have this Campechana taco that goes fucking hard. Okay. I'm in, brother. Dope, man. It's been excellent having you. Thanks a lot, Juan. They have this Campechana taco that goes fucking hard. Okay. I'm in, brother.

Dope, man. It's been excellent having you. Thanks a lot, Juan. Thank you for having me, bro. Fuck yeah. Thank you guys for tuning in

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